671: Even Apple Can’t Beat the Sun
23 Dec 2025Celebrating the holidays with a festive deep dive on iPhone 18 and XX rumors!
Episode Description:
- Pre-show: Christmas-slideshow time
- Follow-up:
- Paris Buttfield-Addison’s locked Apple ID
- Chat math
- Metadata thread splitting & merging
- Colin spells it out for us
- TV Everywhere
- XMLTV
m3u8- IPTV Github Repo
- 🚨 Proceed with caution 🚨 StreamEast
- 506 Sports
- Custom pronunciations in iOS
Accessibility→VoiceOver→Speech→PronunciationsAccessibility→Read & Speak→Pronunciations- Apple video guide
- Tahoe Studio Display flickering
- Malicious content delivery in Apple Podcasts
- iPhone roadmap
- iPhone XX rumor roundup
- Apple exploring touch-sensitive iPhone cases
- Ask ATP:
- How do we manage our contacts? (via Tyler Kindy)
- How do we use version control? (via Dmitry Myronenko)
- 🗣️ Remember, ATP gift memberships are a thing!
- Post-show: John’s bug
- FB21375029
- Sample project
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Chapters
- Photo-slideshow season
- Purchases and locked Apple IDs
- iMessage thread splits
- TV Everywhere
- iOS pronunciations
- Tahoe flicker bug
- Apple Podcasts bug?
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- iPhone 18/Air rumors
- Sponsor: Gusto
- iPhone XX rumors
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- #askatp: Contact management
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- Ending theme
- ATP gift memberships
- John’s Tahoe bug
Photo-slideshow season
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Tis the season for tiff to make the annual
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Christmas slideshow from last year’s Christmas pictures and To want to murder
⏹️ ▶️ Marco the entire world when she tries to figure out what software exists
⏹️ ▶️ Marco to do this and the answer still seems to be basically
⏹️ ▶️ Marco like iPhoto and and or Apple photos rather. And you know, to quote her a
⏹️ ▶️ Marco few minutes ago, I can’t believe it’s 2025 and this is still the answer to the question.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I mean, she’s not wrong. I know, like it’s, I’m sure there’s a thousand like subscription BS
⏹️ ▶️ Marco apps that would do this as long as you sign up for a free trial for a $15 a week subscription
⏹️ ▶️ Marco that you’ll forget to cancel.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco sure there’s a lot of that.
⏹️ ▶️ John What is this? Describe what she’s making here. Slideshow, it means just it shows a bunch of photos, one after the other
⏹️ ▶️ John with music in the background.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah, not necessarily always one after the other, but like, you know, so what iPhoto did a million years ago and what the Apple Photos
⏹️ ▶️ Marco app, you know, kind of imported from iPhoto is have, you know, kind of like a nice,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco like generator of videos of photos that would also do things like show, like, you know, two or three up on
⏹️ ▶️ Marco the screen at once and have you like, you know, have you able to like slightly customize it. But the problem is
⏹️ ▶️ Marco it’s default picks for how it puts things up is never quite what she wants. So she wants
⏹️ ▶️ Marco to be able to customize and say, All right, for this slide, look, I love that you made a three-up layout.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco That’s great, but can this picture be this one instead? Like that kind of stuff. Just customize,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco and of course, that’s like two steps above the levels of customization that Apple would ever provide.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Apple’s like, we’re gonna do this magically for you. And this is it, this is all the control you get.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco And if you want something more than that, make the whole thing from scratch, see also SwiftUI.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Unfortunately, Apple’s version of it was fine back in the iPhoto days, and kind of along for the very early
⏹️ ▶️ Marco days of the Photoshop days. But
⏹️ ▶️ Marco like everything else about Apple’s desktop class apps, they
⏹️ ▶️ Marco basically stopped being made in the post-Steve Jobs era. And it was
⏹️ ▶️ Marco also the iPhone era, so we don’t really know cause and effect there, but the effect is
⏹️ ▶️ Marco they don’t get made anymore. Apple doesn’t really touch their apps at all anymore.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco So it’s kind of a shame. I do miss the era of like,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco the computer is going to enable you to be this multimedia hub that’s going to like, take all of
⏹️ ▶️ Marco your media from your life and deal with it and put it together and make nice things. Like that, that
⏹️ ▶️ Marco era is over. And be a bicycle for the
⏹️ ▶️ John Well, it sounds like Tiff is ending it because she wants, she demands it to be on the phone. No, she wants it to not, she wants it on the
⏹️ ▶️ John desktop. She said she wants the slideshow
⏹️ ▶️ Marco to be on the phone though, right? No, no. She just wants something that will generate a video because what the desired output
⏹️ ▶️ Marco is a video file that we can like send to her parents, play on the
⏹️ ▶️ Marco TV from a USB key, like all sorts of stuff like that. Like that, like just a video file, like take these
⏹️ ▶️ Marco photos, make a nice video with a song behind it and a nice arrangement of the photos coming on the screen.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco That’s basically it. Oh yeah. So
⏹️ ▶️ John here’s my suggestion then, if that’s the requirements, use keynote,
⏹️ ▶️ John present, play music in the background, audio hijack, capture, or actually you don’t even need to, just
⏹️ ▶️ John screen record with audio, and manually use the arrow key to go through it, and then just take the screen recording
⏹️ ▶️ John and there’s your video.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah, that’s not a bad idea. I believe when we discussed this last year or the year before, whenever
⏹️ ▶️ Marco we last discussed this, I believe that was one of the recommendations then too,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco and I think that’s probably the right move.
⏹️ ▶️ John Because then you have total control over the layout of each thing. You have total control when the slides change, you can put in transitions
⏹️ ▶️ John because it’s keynote, you know, if you want to crossfade between the slides or whatever, have things animate in,
⏹️ ▶️ John uh, and yeah, just record the whole, do it on like a laptop with a smaller screen or get the screen resolution
⏹️ ▶️ John you want. Just record the screen. Not efficient, but if you want a video file, that’ll do it.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah. Cause, cause the problem is like back, back in the day, like Apple for a long time
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Apple’s big desktop strategy was,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco we’re gonna make these amazing, the iLife apps, we’re gonna make these amazing apps
⏹️ ▶️ Marco that are gonna deal with media really well and are going to help you do things
⏹️ ▶️ Marco that are hard otherwise and we’re gonna do it not only easily, but we’re gonna give you presets
⏹️ ▶️ Marco that have really good taste and have really nice design and layouts and text and everything.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco That was what Apple specialized in. And over the years, you know, into that strategy and following that strategy, they
⏹️ ▶️ Marco would occasionally like add new templates, add new themes, add here’s a new
⏹️ ▶️ Marco video type we can generate, here’s a new theme for, you know, iMovie or whatever it is. And
⏹️ ▶️ Marco that all, that entire attitude of, this is an amazing
⏹️ ▶️ Marco thing to empower people to do, that entire ecosystem of that being a thing that
⏹️ ▶️ Marco people really needed and wanted, that entire era, I think, basically died
⏹️ ▶️ Marco with Steve. And again, I don’t know if that was just where the computing industry was going
⏹️ ▶️ Marco with mobile or what, but that was something that Jobs really cared deeply about and was
⏹️ ▶️ Marco really good at directing the creation of products kind of in that way,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco and empowering people to do that kind of thing. And I do kind of miss that era of computing. Now,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco it’s all about services revenue. now it’s like let’s build huge ecosystems
⏹️ ▶️ Marco where people can extract weekly subscriptions that everybody from like kind of scamming them and it’s like
⏹️ ▶️ Marco it’s a very different like computing now you have to constantly be like on the defensive
⏹️ ▶️ Marco you have to be constantly you know looking for ways that they’re trying to get you like oh they want me
⏹️ ▶️ Marco email address they’re gonna they’re gonna send me an email every day for the rest of time now just so I can rotate this photo or whatever like
⏹️ ▶️ Marco it’s you have to be so defensive now because everyone is so
⏹️ ▶️ Marco thirsty and so optimized to extract as much as possible.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco It’s a very different era. And yeah, you know, a lot of things are better now, but I do kind of miss some aspects
⏹️ ▶️ Marco of the good old days in this department.
⏹️ ▶️ John I think the modern replacement for that is the memories thing where the phone makes you little slide shows and just gives
⏹️ ▶️ John them to you. Here you go. I made this for you.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Right. But if you want to customize it too bad.
⏹️ ▶️ John Like, well, I know, but like the number of people who are hand assembling a slide show
⏹️ ▶️ John you know, handling out the pictures and deciding what goes where and picking the music and the timing and everything is just so incredibly small.
⏹️ ▶️ John So you know, that’s the where we live and go from computers for as tools for
⏹️ ▶️ John people who want, you know, creative people who want tools to do something versus the thing that literally
⏹️ ▶️ John every person on the planet has. And a tiny fraction of them are creative people who want tools, but Apple
⏹️ ▶️ John just provides here. I made a movie for you.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco But, and it wouldn’t even take that much to like, cause that’s here. I made a movie for you is a great starting point,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco but don’t let that be the only point. Like, yeah, generate a starting point for people.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco That’d be like, what a great use of AI these days. Like, generate me a starting point for this, but then
⏹️ ▶️ Marco let me edit it. Let me tweak it. Let me control it. That would be wonderful.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco But I don’t know. I have a hard time seeing how the current software
⏹️ ▶️ Marco ecosystem gets from here to there without it being just a
⏹️ ▶️ Marco ad-riddled nightmare of invasions of every possible way.
⏹️ ▶️ John Apparently Keynote can export as a video, so maybe that is the solution. don’t need to do the screen recording. Give it a try.
Purchases and locked Apple IDs
⏹️ ▶️ Casey All right, let’s do some follow-up. With regard to Paris Butfield at Edison’s locked Apple ID,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Anonymous writes, it’s definitely illegal here in Australia for Apple to take purchases away and stop certain
⏹️ ▶️ Casey functions of devices from working. The legal term here is fit for use or fit
⏹️ ▶️ Casey for purpose. Terms of service aren’t a defense if they break the law. And then
⏹️ ▶️ Casey this is all related to the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission, the AACCC, or as
⏹️ ▶️ Casey I like to call it, the akikikika. This specific case isn’t covered by an ombudsman. What a great
⏹️ ▶️ Casey word that I never use. Anyway, this specific case isn’t covered by an ombudsman, so it’d
⏹️ ▶️ Casey have to go to court if Apple didn’t agree to resolve it. Disclaimer, I’m not a lawyer, et cetera. I’ve been involved in several
⏹️ ▶️ Casey similar battles though. The akikikika is why we have three-year warranties on Apple computers and iPads in Australia.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey They do good work. Here in the US, we used to have the CFPB,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, and uh… i’m kind of stealing john’s thunder
⏹️ ▶️ Casey from show notes here but john pointed out that i that i have just said we had the cfpb
⏹️ ▶️ Casey because maga i mean i’m sorry because we don’t have a functioning government anymore according to
⏹️ ▶️ Casey wikipedia at the outset of his second presidential term jackass at the
⏹️ ▶️ Casey helm of appointed an acting director of the cfpb that’s what it says on wikipedia isn’t that funny of the cfpb
⏹️ ▶️ Casey who immediately ordered the cfpb to stop regulatory activity and sought to fire ninety percent of the agency
⏹️ ▶️ Casey staff Cool. Well done, everyone. Just great work. Love
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I do. You know, one one area of this I think is interesting is like, I mean, if we
⏹️ ▶️ Marco if we ignore the the sad parts about our terrible non-functioning government that is
⏹️ ▶️ Marco seemingly against everything that makes common sense for regular people.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Well, it’s not. It’s cool for us because we’re white dudes, but everyone else is screwed.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco No, we’re screwed, too, because we’re we’re not in their club like it’s just, you know, we’re just screwed less than everyone else.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco still screwed, believe me. But one angle of this, if I can step
⏹️ ▶️ Marco back from the politics and just kind of look at the interesting, maybe legal question, is like, so this
⏹️ ▶️ Marco was in the context of with Apple suspending accounts for suspected
⏹️ ▶️ Marco fraud or abuse, that they also seem to lose access to any purchases they’ve made.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I think there could be a case to be made here legally. I’m not a lawyer. I don’t know what I’m talking about.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco talking out of my butt, but I think there could be a case to be made legally that like the term
⏹️ ▶️ Marco buy being used in the interface when you purchase a license
⏹️ ▶️ Marco to maybe sometimes see a movie that you might maybe be able to do in the future for some undetermined
⏹️ ▶️ Marco amount of time and they can be taken away at every moment. I think the term buy
⏹️ ▶️ Marco is misleading And I think maybe a case could be made that
⏹️ ▶️ Marco you could maybe sue a company that told you you were buying a movie
⏹️ ▶️ Marco and then could take it away from you at any time in the future for unrelated reasons.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Like that to me, that’s a pretty straightforward fraud or misleading
⏹️ ▶️ Marco or, you know, false advertising.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco advertising. Yeah. I mean, like it seems like, because again, the term buy means
⏹️ ▶️ Marco something. When you tell customers you can buy this movie or buy this
⏹️ ▶️ Marco book, that means something in people’s minds. And I don’t think anybody,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco if you ask people on like regular people in the world, if you ask them, did they understand that to mean
⏹️ ▶️ Marco buy a license to read this book or buy a license to see this movie in these limited
⏹️ ▶️ Marco forms that can be revoked at any time if you like, you know, renew a weird gift card in the future,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco like that, I don’t think anybody would ever interpret it to mean that, I need common people. And
⏹️ ▶️ Marco we already have lots of press that I believe that suggests that you can’t just bury something in a giant wall
⏹️ ▶️ Marco of terms and agreements and expect that to be super binding if it’s not common.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco So I think that this could be an interesting thing. I don’t think anyone’s ever really going to
⏹️ ▶️ Marco have the clouder power behind this to try to litigate it. But that is an interesting question,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I think, for all of these storefronts that use the term
⏹️ ▶️ Marco buy for media that does not behave the way
⏹️ ▶️ Marco that non-digital purchases behave with those exact same terms,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco often for the exact same content.
⏹️ ▶️ John I’m gonna guess that there have been multiple cases of litigating exactly this, and that the big companies wanted that they all
⏹️ ▶️ John happened in the 90s. That’s just a guess though.
iMessage thread splits
⏹️ ▶️ Casey All right, let’s talk about message threads. John, can you set a little context here for me, please?
⏹️ ▶️ John This is about my message threads, group conversation, multiple people
⏹️ ▶️ John in the Apple Messages app splitting into, for me, just two different conversations with the same people
⏹️ ▶️ John and trying to figure out if there was a way to get them to go back together. And someone had written
⏹️ ▶️ John in with a follow up last week about they said, so your conversation split into two.
⏹️ ▶️ John I got 21 copies of my three person conversation, 21 different copies
⏹️ ▶️ John of my three person conversation. And I was trying to do the math that like, even if you assume that it splinters every time someone
⏹️ ▶️ John accidentally sends to like, you know, an Apple ID and a phone number, a phone number and a phone number, a phone number,
⏹️ ▶️ John Apple ID, Apple ID, like there aren’t enough combinations that it would be 21. I messed up
⏹️ ▶️ John the math at the time. So just to clarify, many people wrote in to give the actual math.
⏹️ ▶️ John And that is, if each person in a three person group chat has two ways to be contacted,
⏹️ ▶️ John either a phone number or an Apple ID, then there are just eight possible combinations of all three participants. Order
⏹️ ▶️ John doesn’t matter in this case. If order matters, I guess it’s a higher number and maybe whatever, but anyway, not 21.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Good deal. And then tell me about splitting and merging and so on with regard to all this.
⏹️ ▶️ John Yeah, as I said last episode, the idea that you’re going to discipline everybody in
⏹️ ▶️ John all parts of all these group conversations to very carefully make sure that their settings on who they
⏹️ ▶️ John send from, Like do you initiate conversations from your Apple ID or your phone number? And you’ll make
⏹️ ▶️ John sure all their contacts are exactly right and you’ll make sure that, you know, their
⏹️ ▶️ John reachability is exactly, like that’s never gonna work. Like you’re never going to be able to get everyone’s
⏹️ ▶️ John settings all in sync. And that’s still just based on the assumption that the problem is that,
⏹️ ▶️ John you know, someone’s doing from Apple ID and then doing from phone number and you know, whatever. I’m not even sure
⏹️ ▶️ John that’s true based on the evidence of people saying I’ve got 21 copies of the conversation. And again, that’s my point of trying to do that
⏹️ ▶️ John math. But anyway, that’s never gonna work. But one other piece of advice, aside from like, you know,
⏹️ ▶️ John delete everything, log out of your Apple ID, resync, blah, blah, blah. One other piece of advice that lots of people gave was,
⏹️ ▶️ John things that had worked for them was, they started messing with the metadata for the message
⏹️ ▶️ John threads. So message threads, you can have a name for the group conversation, you can have a background
⏹️ ▶️ John image, I think you can have an icon for it, like that metadata. Instead by changing that
⏹️ ▶️ John metadata, Very often they said, erase all the metadata. Some people said, make sure
⏹️ ▶️ John the metadata matches in the two conversations, or if it already matches, make it unmatch and rematch.
⏹️ ▶️ John And that’s mostly a non-destructive thing, although I can tell you that your daughter might get annoyed that you’re changing her
⏹️ ▶️ John clever group name on something or other. I did that and it didn’t
⏹️ ▶️ John seem to do anything, but then the next day the message threads were re-merged. So I don’t know, is that what
⏹️ ▶️ John did it? Would they have re-merged on their own? It’s a mystery, but I’m going to suggest
⏹️ ▶️ John that as the only thing that I’ve found that might work, mess with the metadata,
⏹️ ▶️ John change the icon and the name and so on and so forth. Even if they’re already the same, change them to be different, then change
⏹️ ▶️ John them back to be the same. And then I guess go to sleep and cross your fingers. Excellent.
TV Everywhere
⏹️ ▶️ Casey All right. We got a fair bit of feedback with regard to my lamenting
⏹️ ▶️ Casey about TV stuff in, that was in overtime, wasn’t it? And the
⏹️ ▶️ Casey probably most succinct like view of everything came from Colin.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey I’m going to read a little, it’s kind of a lot, but I think it’s all fascinating and pertinent.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Colin writes, TV everywhere very much still exists and is supported in channels, the software that I like, with the
⏹️ ▶️ Casey exception of NBC owned networks. Those are DRM’d and channels won’t touch that. There are channels extensions to get
⏹️ ▶️ Casey around it by capturing a Chrome window, but that’s too much work. But for all the ESPN stuff, which I would care
⏹️ ▶️ Casey about for college football and some NFL, as of now works great. This is the primary way I consume college football using
⏹️ ▶️ Casey cable login. I do fear that NBC’s DRM is a canary in the coal mine and the other networks will follow suit sooner
⏹️ ▶️ Casey or later. I couldn’t agree more with Colin about this. So TV Everywhere, with Fios, you get
⏹️ ▶️ Casey a TV Everywhere login or whatever. And what that’s supposed to let you do is stream
⏹️ ▶️ Casey basically everything you get on cable through
⏹️ ▶️ Marco, Casey the internet.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco So you can watch TV anywhere.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Right, exactly. And everywhere even, not just anywhere, but everywhere. Uh, but anyways, uh, we’ll talk
⏹️ ▶️ Casey a little bit more about how that’s not really the, the, the, the reality of the situation, but that’s the theory. But
⏹️ ▶️ Casey as Colin points out, it was like six months or a year ago, I think that NBC pulled their stuff from,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey uh, TV Everywhere. And first of all, we watch a lot of truly, well, I shouldn’t say a lot, but we watch
⏹️ ▶️ Casey some truly filthy, terrible television on Bravo, which is an NBC channel.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey And secondly, I couldn’t agree more with Colin that since NBC has pulled their stuff, I bet
⏹️ ▶️ Casey you it’s not long before like Disney does. So that’s ABC and ESPN and whatnot, and who knows what else
⏹️ ▶️ Casey happens after. Continuing with Colin’s feedback, cloud TV providers are all fine.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey If you’re interested in local sports, you need to be a little judicious in your choice because a lot of them don’t carry the various regional sports networks. For example,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey only YouTube TV carries NBC Sports Philadelphia. They’re great for national networks like ESPN. I suspect that their cloud
⏹️ ▶️ Casey DVRs are doing some jiggery-pokery behind the scenes, and not necessarily representing a one-to-one recording, and the recordings
⏹️ ▶️ Casey are super ethereal, is that how you pronounce that? I
⏹️ ▶️ Casey, Marco ethereal, thank you.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I could be wrong also, I’ve also never pronounced it.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Yeah, I don’t think I’ve ever said that one out loud. Anyways, for example, when YouTube TV had its carriage dispute
⏹️ ▶️ Casey with ABC, everyone also lost access to their recordings from ABC networks. What were you saying, Marco, about a license?
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Most of them also support TV everywhere logins. IPTV, Casey is correct in his assumption that these
⏹️ ▶️ Casey are all sorts of shady. They’re mostly illicit streams, but they do exist and they work with channels. The magic is based on two
⏹️ ▶️ Casey standards, M3U8 for playlists and video feeds and XML TV for the program
⏹️ ▶️ Casey guide data. Any service that offers these can be added as a source and channels. This Git repo, which we’ll link in the
⏹️ ▶️ Casey show notes, has a bunch of channels in M3U8 and XML TV format for easy plugging into channels, or just open it in VLC or IINA
⏹️ ▶️ Casey to flip through the list. But I can’t speak to the reliability of those channels. Other shady options.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Stream East is apparently the big service for sports streams. If I’m completely forthcoming, the whole
⏹️ ▶️ Casey reason I want to figure all this out is because I’m tired of trying to use Stream East from time to time to watch
⏹️ ▶️ Casey New York Giants games that I cannot see where I am currently located. Colin continues,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey OTA. I think OTA over the air is less valuable in the age where everything is available via streaming, but it works with channels and you can
⏹️ ▶️ Casey get some sports. All the NFL games are broadcast over the air. And 506sports.com shows you what games are
⏹️ ▶️ Casey in what markets week to week. As an aside, 506 Sports is incredible. I’ve been
⏹️ ▶️ Casey using it for years, it’s great. College football puts the big match ups over the air. I’ve had an antenna for years and I find that its utility
⏹️ ▶️ Casey diminishes year to year except for NFL games. My first cut at channels was with an over the air antenna
⏹️ ▶️ Casey and that did work great, but the current setup is so much better. Sports streaming is finally becoming a
⏹️ ▶️ Casey thing. ESPN now has a streaming package called ESPN Unlimited. 26 of the 30 MLB teams now often
⏹️ ▶️ Casey offer an in-market streaming package in addition to the MLB TV out-of-market streaming package. Peacock has a variety of
⏹️ ▶️ Casey streaming options if you need the NBC Sports Networks. None of these work the channels in any way. The Super Bowl streams
⏹️ ▶️ Casey in 4K on 2B, but the broadcast itself is produced in 1080p HDR. Receiving anything,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey actually that’s not accurate, blah, blah, blah. 4K via cable provider is not worth anything, asserts Colin.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey I don’t think I agree with him, but that’s neither here nor there. So what is my situation just for perspective?
⏹️ ▶️ Casey So I have the HD Home Run with the cable card plugged in as we discussed in overtime. And
⏹️ ▶️ Casey according to channels, I get 321 different channels from Fios via
⏹️ ▶️ Casey the cable card via the HD home run. However, via TV Everywhere, I get 133,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey which means I am missing, air quotes, missing 188 channels
⏹️ ▶️ Casey through TV Everywhere. So I would rather continue to use my cable card if at all
⏹️ ▶️ Casey possible, please and thank you. But very quickly, I did a quick survey of the channels I have and
⏹️ ▶️ Casey it’s exactly what I expected and what Colin asserted. I do get via TV Everywhere, ABC, Fox, CBS, ESPN, ESPN2,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey ESPNU, ESPN News, SEC Network, ACC Network, Fox Sports 1, 2,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey and the Big 10 networks. I do not however get NBC or Bravo, et cetera. John,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey in particular, any thoughts on this?
⏹️ ▶️ John Just wondering if your channel counts include like all the standard deaf channels and everything. Like is that
⏹️ ▶️ John included in the HD Home Run?
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Oh, in TV Everywhere, I’m not sure, but yes, you are right. That is a very good point I didn’t think about. So what
⏹️ ▶️ Casey John is saying is with Fios, you get a standard def like ABC and you get a
⏹️ ▶️ Casey HD or high def ABC. And so you’re right, I did not consider that that is a fair bit of
⏹️ ▶️ Casey duplication that I believe is in that 321 count that I quoted earlier. That’s a really good point.
iOS pronunciations
⏹️ ▶️ Casey All right, let’s talk about custom pronunciations in iOS. Anonymous writes in, with regard
⏹️ ▶️ Casey to pronunciations, have you tried the accessibility settings for pronunciation? You can get to it through accessibility, voiceover,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey speech, and then pronunciations. That’ll be in the show notes. There’s also an Apple support document about it.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Also in the show notes, accessibility, read and speak, pronunciations. And there’s a second
⏹️ ▶️ Casey knowledge base article about this. And then finally, there’s actually a video guide on Apple’s YouTube channel, which is
⏹️ ▶️ Casey only like 2 and 1⁄2 minutes and was really well done. Actually, I don’t know if either of you spent the time to watch it, but
⏹️ ▶️ Casey it’s really, really good. So you can check that out if you’d like.
⏹️ ▶️ John I went to that screen in my phone and what did I see there? I saw a pronunciation of my last name and one of my
⏹️ ▶️ John friends last name. So obviously we’ve discussed this
⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco in past episodes and I just forgot
⏹️ ▶️ John about it. The thing about this, this is like how the voice, when you do like text to speech, this is how the
⏹️ ▶️ John voice will pronounce things. So if you have a bunch of texts that includes your last name, I presumably
⏹️ ▶️ John Apple’s accessibility thing that says, please read this text to me. We’ll use the pronunciations you put in this thing.
⏹️ ▶️ John I don’t know if it influences what Siri says, you know, and
⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco everything is so messed
⏹️ ▶️ John up in Apple’s world. I’m not sure if they’re separate systems or they’re combined or whatever, but I mean,
⏹️ ▶️ John they can’t possibly combine because my name is in that pronunciation screen from however many years ago
⏹️ ▶️ John I put it in there, but the phone wasn’t saying my name right until I recorrected it as per
⏹️ ▶️ John an earlier episode when we talked about this. So anyway, it’s worth doing. If you ever have your phone read
⏹️ ▶️ John you things and you’re annoyed by mispronouncing stuff.
Tahoe flicker bug
⏹️ ▶️ Casey All right. Reading from Mac Rumors is wildly unrelated. Reading from Mac Rumors,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey macOS Tahoe introduced a bug that causes a studio display connected to a Mac to flicker every so
⏹️ ▶️ Casey often, and subsequent updates only seem to have made the issue worse. Mac users with the studio display have been complaining about
⏹️ ▶️ Casey intermittent flickering since the update launched in September. There are also complaints from
⏹️ ▶️ Casey users who have other kinds of displays, so it might be a bug that is affecting more than just one type of external monitor.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey We’ve experimented, experienced, excuse me, this issue with a MacBook Pro running on macOS Tahoe and connected to a
⏹️ ▶️ Casey studio display, and the Mac OS 6 26.1 and.2 updates haven’t improved the situation at all. In fact,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey the flickering seems to be getting worse in recent days. I have a studio display. I have never seen this, thankfully.
⏹️ ▶️ John Well, you’re lucky because I’ve seen this story in many different places. And it’s
⏹️ ▶️ John just to let people know that this is a potential issue. Again, most of them seem to say with the studio
⏹️ ▶️ John display, I would assume most of them are with laptops in the studio display, because let’s be honest, most people have laptops,
⏹️ ▶️ John but it’s hard to pin down. But related to this,
⏹️ ▶️ John I just want to give an update and say I still have an update of my main screen, my main machine to tile because I just
⏹️ ▶️ John don’t feel any motivation to do so. And I see stories like this. And I say, yeah, maybe
⏹️ ▶️ John I should wait a little bit longer. I don’t know at this rate, maybe I’m just never going to run Mac
⏹️ ▶️ John OS 26. And I’ll just wait for 27 or something. But who knows? I’m still by the way, I’m
⏹️ ▶️ John I’m still running the old version of Xcode so I can get my icons to work right. So maybe I’m just frozen in time until
⏹️ ▶️ John Apple releases good versions of software that I care about.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Ooh, sick burn. I mean, honestly, I might be right there with you with the Mac OS 26. Like the, you know,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco iOS, I’m there already. You know, I’ve kind of have to be, it’s fine. But on the Mac, so I still have
⏹️ ▶️ Marco it on like my laptop, but not my desktop laptop. And I still
⏹️ ▶️ Marco run into like weird issues with it. And I just don’t like it at all. And I’m
⏹️ ▶️ Marco still using whatever, Sequoia, whatever I’m on on my
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I’m not missing out on anything. I’ve run into nothing so far that requires me
⏹️ ▶️ Marco to use Tahoe on my Mac. I’m kind of fine not
⏹️ ▶️ Marco using it. And on my laptop that does run Tahoe, the other day
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I had, remember a long time ago on this show I mentioned that I had a weird bug with the Apple
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Calendar app on the Mac that occasionally the calendar app would be unresponsive.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I would force quit it. Its window would stick around.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco And nothing I did would close that window until a reboot. I could move it off screen,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco nothing on it was interactive, but it’s a window that showed my calendar content from whatever before
⏹️ ▶️ Marco the crash. And if I launched calendar again, it would launch a new window separate from that one. So it just kind of had this like
⏹️ ▶️ Marco abandoned, unclosable, uninteractable window that I would just like move into the corner
⏹️ ▶️ Marco of the screen until I rebooted next. Well, that still happens on Tahoe. I can confirm that happened on my Tahoe
⏹️ ▶️ Marco laptop the other day. I still haven’t rebooted it. It’s still there on the corner. And so
⏹️ ▶️ Marco that calendar bug has not been fixed. So it’s still not quite
⏹️ ▶️ Marco a reason for me to upgrade to Tahoe that I have found yet.
Apple Podcasts bug?
⏹️ ▶️ Casey With regard to malicious content delivery in Apple podcasts, Ricky Haas writes
⏹️ ▶️ Casey in, starting on December 8th, my podcast app on both Mac and iPhone running Sequoia and iOS 18 has been
⏹️ ▶️ Casey opening Race Day Nation randomly for the last month or so. This is not a podcast that I’ve listened to or I’ve
⏹️ ▶️ Casey interacted with in any way. Today my phone was sitting locked on the table when the lock screen pin came up. I picked up the
⏹️ ▶️ Casey phone and Face ID unlocked it and lo and behold, the Race Day Nation podcast was opened up. The latest episode of ATP
⏹️ ▶️ Casey was sitting in the playback back bar paused where I’d stopped listening earlier. I reached out to Apple support and got an escalation. The guy basically
⏹️ ▶️ Casey was like, we’ve never heard of this happening for anyone. Please update to iOS 26 before we can do any further escalation. If it happens again,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey get the timestamp. We’ll collect the logs from that time so we can know what was happening. He was uninterested
⏹️ ▶️ Casey in the story that’s been going around from 404 Media about Apple Podcasts, randomly opening podcasts by itself, or in
⏹️ ▶️ Casey collecting logs from the occurrence that I had already logged the timestamp for. Anyways, in my screenshot,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey which we are not going to publish, but I will describe for you, You may note the back button to Firefox
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Focus. I was watching a YouTube video and had paused it before the screen timed out and the phone locked. No wacky websites
⏹️ ▶️ Casey to deep link into the podcast app unless Google is selling ad space that runs while the phone is locked and auto clicks podcast
⏹️ ▶️ Casey links. And then again, later on December 8th, quick update ever since clicking suggest
⏹️ ▶️ Casey less on the Race Day Nation podcast, the podcast that the app opens up to has
⏹️ ▶️ Casey changed to Vaporware News Network. It seemed unlikely to me that it was someone trying to hack my devices through the podcast
⏹️ ▶️ Casey app, but after this change in behavior, it seems like it’s just something with the recommendation system has gone
⏹️ ▶️ John Yeah, that’s good evidence there. It’s like, look, first of all, you’re not touching the phone. It’s locked on the table.
⏹️ ▶️ John And then it prompts you, hey, unlock me. And you unlock it and it’s like, look, how about this podcast? That’s super
⏹️ ▶️ John weird, but it could, but who knows what it could be? Like the theory that like, well, you had it paused on YouTube or whatever,
⏹️ ▶️ John like you’re playing a video, like it may be something in your browser, open to link or something. But then
⏹️ ▶️ John in the Apple Podcasts app saying, please like suggest this podcast less,
⏹️ ▶️ John and then the next time it happens, it shows a different podcast, really lends some strong evidence that is
⏹️ ▶️ John the podcast, the Apple podcast app itself, that is choosing to
⏹️ ▶️ John open random podcasts. Why is it doing that? Especially why is it doing
⏹️ ▶️ John it when your phone is locked? I have no idea, but it seems like it’s not, you
⏹️ ▶️ John know, so you were on a malicious webpage and the malicious webpage triggered the opening
⏹️ ▶️ John of a URL that had the Apple podcast colon slash slash, you know, whatever the scheme
⏹️ ▶️ John is for that URL structure. Still a really weird story and still a really weird thing that might happen, but I
⏹️ ▶️ John guess maybe there’s some code in the Apple podcast app that essentially does like open URL on a
⏹️ ▶️ John suggested podcast at inopportune times. And then your phone prompts you to say, Hey,
⏹️ ▶️ John we just opened a podcast. Even though, even though you already listened to a podcast, what about this one? Very
⏹️ ▶️ John weird. But anyway, this is the only thing we’ve heard about this. So I don’t think this is a particularly widespread, but it is strange.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I mean, podcast apps are hard. I can’t like I can’t blame, you know,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco obviously it’s not doesn’t seem like it’s something malicious. It does seem like just like a weird bug, but
⏹️ ▶️ Marco look apps like modern apps these days on iOS, especially are just super complicated.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco There’s a million different things that could you know, cause some cause an
⏹️ ▶️ Marco app to open up to a content page within that app at a weird time, you know, It could be
⏹️ ▶️ Marco something as simple as like, what if like an embed on a webpage
⏹️ ▶️ Marco on something, you know, triggers it to open up, you know, in a weird background mode, that could be some,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco you know, some more case. What if it’s a NS user activity continuation
⏹️ ▶️ Marco using continuity, if it’s like, oh, you happen to have a page open on your desktop and it triggered
⏹️ ▶️ Marco this thing to try to open on your phone or like, there’s so many paths
⏹️ ▶️ Marco now that something can trigger something else to try to open up in the app. And I can
⏹️ ▶️ Marco definitely see the possibility of one of those things going a little bit wrong in some kind of bug condition. So
⏹️ ▶️ Marco yeah, this seems very plausible. It’s a very, very complex ecosystem that all these apps are working in now.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco So I’m sure it’s just some weird bug and hopefully it’ll be fixed soon. In the meantime, if you want a different podcast
⏹️ ▶️ Marco app that has different bugs, I can strongly
⏹️ ▶️ Marco switching to Overcast. I have my own bugs that people keep telling me about, but
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I don’t have that one. So give me a shot. All right.
⏹️ ▶️ John It seems, I guess there is like some kind of recommendation engine in Apple Podcasts because this person
⏹️ ▶️ John said they did the, you know, please suggest this thing less. So it’s not as if like that was the original theory, like, oh, something is opening,
⏹️ ▶️ John something is telling the podcast, the Apple Podcast app to open a particular podcast. But it seems like what’s happening
⏹️ ▶️ John is it’s telling the Apple Podcast app, open a podcast that you recommend for me. And
⏹️ ▶️ John so even, you know, but you can change which one it will recommend by saying within the Apple Podcast app, I don’t like this
⏹️ ▶️ John podcast, suggest it less. It’s like, okay, the next time something randomly tells me that I should pop up
⏹️ ▶️ John a podcast that you might like, I’ll pop up a different one, but I’ll still pop it up. And then the 404
⏹️ ▶️ John Media Story, I remember, was about podcasts that had like really long, weird names
⏹️ ▶️ John and strange URLs and stuff. And I don’t know, maybe these are two entirely separate bugs, but
⏹️ ▶️ John yeah, it’s a complicated world. That’s why it’s so difficult to, it’s one of the other things that it becomes more difficult
⏹️ ▶️ John to do these days is as the tech support for various people in our lives, they will ask
⏹️ ▶️ John you questions about why a thing happened and they’re never satisfied with the answer. I don’t know.
⏹️ ▶️ John Cause there’s just, it’s like, well, is there a way to know? Probably not.
⏹️ ▶️ John But it’s a thing that we will probably never know unless we, you know, unless we have all the source code
⏹️ ▶️ John and doggedly pursue this with a team of people for the next five years, but that’s not gonna happen. So
⏹️ ▶️ John the answer is, I don’t know.
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iPhone 18/Air rumors
⏹️ ▶️ Casey There’s been a lot of rumors and discussion over the last couple of months about Apple’s future iPhone
⏹️ ▶️ Casey plans. We’re going to start with a post from Mark Gurman, dated mid-November. Mark writes,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Apple plans to unveil three new high-end models, the iPhone 18 Pro, iPhone 18 Pro Max, and a new foldable in
⏹️ ▶️ Casey fall 2026. Then roughly six months later, it will roll out the iPhone 18, iPhone 18e, and potentially a refreshed
⏹️ ▶️ Casey iPhone Air. I expect this pattern to continue for years to come with Apple launching
⏹️ ▶️ Casey between five and six new models annually Information reported that a second generation iPhone air had been
⏹️ ▶️ Casey postponed from next fall into 2027 In order to add a second rear camera
⏹️ ▶️ Casey and that a vapor chamber and beefier battery are in the cards The news outlet also cited poor
⏹️ ▶️ Casey sales as a cause for the schedule change But from what I’ve heard the second generation iPhone air hadn’t actually been
⏹️ ▶️ Casey earmarked for next year at least not in recent months So this wasn’t a delay due to the phone sales performance.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey The fact that Apple named the device the iPhone Air rather than the iPhone 17 Air signaled that it didn’t want
⏹️ ▶️ Casey to tie the product to an annual release schedule. I’m told the main focus of the second Air will be to move to the 2
⏹️ ▶️ Casey nanometer chip rather than major structural changes. The chip upgrade should help improve the Air’s
⏹️ ▶️ Casey battery life, the biggest drawback of the first model. Apple developed the Air believing
⏹️ ▶️ Casey it would make up 6 to 8 percent of new iPhone sales, I’m told. That roughly matches the performance of the iPhone 16
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Plus model it replaced. As for the new schedule, Apple aims to have a steadier revenue
⏹️ ▶️ Casey throughout the year, reduce strain on employees and manufacturing partners, and prevent its premium and budget
⏹️ ▶️ Casey models from cannibalizing each other’s marketing. It also gives the company multiple chances each year to counter new releases
⏹️ ▶️ Casey from competitors like Samsung Electronics, which has long spread out its Galaxy and foldable launches.
⏹️ ▶️ John Yeah, setting aside for a moment the iPad Air stuff, which has been much debated since then, going back and forth
⏹️ ▶️ John about the iPhone Air is not selling. Actually, it’s sold out in China. Actually, they didn’t make too much of it. They’re not going to
⏹️ ▶️ John do it next year. They are going to do it back and forth. Two cameras, one camera. That’s a separate drama. I think the main
⏹️ ▶️ John big meaty chunk of the story is the idea that Apple is going to go from
⏹️ ▶️ John September being iPhone time where they were a lot of bunch of phones and maybe like the S.E. or some
⏹️ ▶️ John other straggler or the E-model in modern days will be later to a cleanly split structure,
⏹️ ▶️ John which is they roll out the pro phones and only the pro phones
⏹️ ▶️ John in September, and then they wait six whole months, and then they roll out the non-pro
⏹️ ▶️ John versions of those same phones, the plain iPhone 18 and the iPhone 18e and maybe the Air. I
⏹️ ▶️ John don’t know why Air wouldn’t be lumped with the pro ones, but I guess it doesn’t have pro in the name. Oh, and the foldable, whatever, that’s gonna
⏹️ ▶️ John be called Ultra or whatever. I’m sure we’ll talk about the foldable as the date approaches, there are many, many foldable rumors
⏹️ ▶️ John solidifying now, but because that’s gonna be so darn expensive, I guess that goes with the pro phones.
⏹️ ▶️ John But what do you think about that structure of having, you know, every six months a new crop of phones,
⏹️ ▶️ John but not having all the new, you know, iPhone 18s or whatever come out at the same time?
⏹️ ▶️ Casey I don’t love it, but I get it. I do like that
⏹️ ▶️ Casey we are currently programmed that in September, we will see the suite of phones
⏹️ ▶️ Casey that 99% of us care about. And yeah, there’s always the like springtime phone that’s a little bit of a one-off,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey but generally speaking, The, the, the, the vast majority of us care about whatever’s being
⏹️ ▶️ Casey released. In September. And I don’t love that there will
⏹️ ▶️ Casey presumably soon come a time that, okay, well, the pro phones were just updated in September and they look great, but
⏹️ ▶️ Casey what if I don’t really need a pro phone, but I’m not sure if the regular phone has, I don’t know, a vapor chamber
⏹️ ▶️ Casey and I really, really, really want a vapor chamber. Now I gotta wait six months to figure that out. And that I don’t really
⏹️ ▶️ Casey love, but certainly from Apple’s perspective, it makes a ton of sense to stagger this
⏹️ ▶️ Casey out and not have it all hit at the exact same moment.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I think it’s interesting. I mean, I think the way that things have always been done so far
⏹️ ▶️ Marco with Apple, where like almost every phone is released in September, that only
⏹️ ▶️ Marco sounds sensible to us because that’s how it’s always been done. But that’s only
⏹️ ▶️ Marco how it’s always been done because for a long time, they were just one iPhone every year
⏹️ ▶️ Marco and it wasn’t, you know, once they started, And then it was like, okay, well now we’re gonna have the one main one and then this
⏹️ ▶️ Marco one that’s like very similar to it, but a little bit last year’s model or whatever.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco And then it’s only been fairly recently that they’ve really broadened out the lineup and had a bunch
⏹️ ▶️ Marco of different models. That’s only really been like in the last, what, five to 10 years
⏹️ ▶️ Marco of a nearly 20 year old product line. So I think it makes sense to
⏹️ ▶️ Marco spread things out. How they spread it out, eh, that’s up to them. I’m sure they’re gonna experiment with it and see
⏹️ ▶️ Marco how it’s felt. But I think it is interesting that like, you know, you look at any of their
⏹️ ▶️ Marco other product lines, the iPhone is the only one that works this way. Like where everything is all dropped
⏹️ ▶️ Marco at the same time every year and, you know, very reliably on that timeline as well.
⏹️ ▶️ John Well, the watch too, I guess, right?
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Oh yeah, I guess the Apple Watch.
⏹️ ▶️ John Yeah, you’re right. Which was a similar deal. There used to be one thing called Apple Watch and they slowly diversified it.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco That is true, but I think the Apple Watch lineup is so barely
⏹️ ▶️ Marco diversified at this point, and it’s so kind of like half-assedly updated
⏹️ ▶️ Marco most of the time, that I’m not sure I’d draw the same parallel. But in many ways,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco it’s kind of, you know, what I can see the iPhone getting to is more
⏹️ ▶️ Marco like what the iPad has, or the Mac, where like, you know, the
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Mac, you’ll have the 14 and 16-inch MacBook Pros will be released together. but
⏹️ ▶️ Marco that’s a different release often than the MacBook Air. And those are both very
⏹️ ▶️ Marco important product lines that each get their time to shine.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Because they’re often released like six months apart from each other or whatever. I can totally see that being the case
⏹️ ▶️ Marco here where like the iPhone Air and the iPhone Pro,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco we can speculate and we have and we will about why the iPhone Air seems to not
⏹️ ▶️ Marco be a hit. and honestly based on this government report that says that the
⏹️ ▶️ Marco die shrink of the chip will or the process shrink of the chip will solve its biggest problem of battery
⏹️ ▶️ Marco life I A don’t think it will solve it enough and B don’t think that’s the biggest problem
⏹️ ▶️ Marco but we’ll go back to that some other time but I think
⏹️ ▶️ Marco one of the big challenges with the iPhone Air is that it was released alongside a
⏹️ ▶️ Marco really good iPhone Pro update. And I think a lot of people
⏹️ ▶️ Marco who maybe would have had a better chance of going for the Air instead went for
⏹️ ▶️ Marco the Pro because it had a really good set of new colors, a really good new camera
⏹️ ▶️ Marco system, really great new battery life, like if this was kind of a weaker update for the Pro
⏹️ ▶️ Marco like a more kind of routine one or if this was six months later and the Pro
⏹️ ▶️ Marco wasn’t just updated, I think I think the iPhone Air would actually have sold significantly better.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco And maybe, you know, we talk in our, in, you know, in the, in the Apple analyst and related
⏹️ ▶️ Marco space, you know, we talk a lot about like that, that fourth slot in the lineup just never sells the
⏹️ ▶️ Marco one that’s like the consumer line, but the high end of the consumer line, it used to be the plus and now it’s,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco or yeah, it wasn’t the plus. I forget all the.
⏹️ ▶️ John Yeah. They just said that they used to be the plus phones. It was like the, like the max, but with a non max
⏹️ ▶️ John internals, max size, but non max internals.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah, sorry, I was getting confused because, you know, the biggest pro used to be called the plus. But anyway,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco so, you know, that slot, that kind of like last slot in the lineup, that
⏹️ ▶️ Marco has been doing poorly so far, but possibly it’s just because there isn’t
⏹️ ▶️ Marco space to market it. Possibly it’s because it doesn’t have a chance because everyone who’s shopping for phones
⏹️ ▶️ Marco in the fall is going for the pros. But that could still be
⏹️ ▶️ Marco a great slot in the lineup. I think the air shows that, even though I would
⏹️ ▶️ Marco make different trade-offs if I was in charge of the universe, I would make different trade-offs for that product than Apple did.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco But there is a slot there. But as long as it’s always released alongside
⏹️ ▶️ Marco the pros in the fall, that slot will only get attention if and when
⏹️ ▶️ Marco the pros are really underwhelming. And that’s usually not the case. The pros are usually really good. In
⏹️ ▶️ Marco some form or another, they’re usually really good. So I can see this making a lot of sense. and people who
⏹️ ▶️ Marco are not in the iPhone hype cycle year round,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco whatever has been most recently launched, they might be most aware of that.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco So if they release the Pro in the fall and it gets all marketed out, and I mean, yes, Apple markets
⏹️ ▶️ Marco the iPhone all year round, pretty much everywhere. There’s billboards, for God’s sake. But like the Pro right now, the Pro
⏹️ ▶️ Marco has been the whole fall thing. There’s been orange Pros all over billboards everywhere. There have been ads for the iPhone
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Air nowhere. Like, and John Gruber’s been talking about this too, since the fall,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco since it launched. Like, Apple doesn’t really seem to be advertising the iPhone Air at all,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco anywhere. It’s all about the Pro. You see the orange Pro ads everywhere.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Maybe if they spread it out, they can start splitting up that marketing more and giving each
⏹️ ▶️ Marco phone its time. Like when the Pro is kinda, you know, by April, everyone knows
⏹️ ▶️ Marco what that year’s iPhone Pro It looks like everyone knows that year’s iPhone Pro’s new specs. They might not all
⏹️ ▶️ Marco buy them immediately. You know, people buy their phones when they need to buy a phone. But like, everyone knows
⏹️ ▶️ Marco what the iPhone Pro is by April of that year, you know? So Apple
⏹️ ▶️ Marco does these spring events where they like drop in, here’s some new watch band colors and some new case colors
⏹️ ▶️ Marco for our gummy iPhone cases. And maybe now here’s a new iPhone model. Like I can see that making sense.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco So I think there’s lots of reasons to do this from a marketing angle alone. Not to mention
⏹️ ▶️ Marco the fact that everything else, the supply chain, the development times, there’s
⏹️ ▶️ Marco so many other reasons, financial spread, there’s so many other reasons to do it. But from the marketing side alone, I think it’s
⏹️ ▶️ Marco a very sound idea. And that’s why all of the other products work that way. And it’s fine.
⏹️ ▶️ John I don’t know if Apple is the one who instigated this tradition, or if it’s just kind of like a thing
⏹️ ▶️ John that we all converged on. But September is kind of the time when most of the fanciest new phones
⏹️ ▶️ John come out. I mean, I guess the iPhone is the biggest one in that area. And I know they’re spread over the year
⏹️ ▶️ John kind of, but it seems to me that a lot of sort of flagship phones are announced around that
⏹️ ▶️ John time. And, you know, it makes sense to keep the pros there because like they’re the flagship phones. They’re the biggest,
⏹️ ▶️ John most expensive, most powerful, the foldable phone goes there, yada, yada. Although I always did think it was weird
⏹️ ▶️ John that they choose like September, which is essentially too late to like buy
⏹️ ▶️ John phones for kids going off to school. It’s too late. I mean, not that school systems buy phones for people, but maybe someday they will.
⏹️ ▶️ John But anyway, it’s like, it’s after the beginning of school, which is weird. I don’t even, I would love
⏹️ ▶️ John to see some history on like how we ended up on this particular time. But anyway, taking out
⏹️ ▶️ John the non-pro phones from that event and putting them elsewhere might,
⏹️ ▶️ John I mean, I get the idea of like clearing it for marketing, but here’s the thing, the pro and the non-pro phones,
⏹️ ▶️ John the way Apple has made them so far, have been sort of a family of products. And I know they
⏹️ ▶️ John have the A something and then the A something pro, but those chips tend to be related to each
⏹️ ▶️ John other. They’re usually made on the same process or they have the same cores or whatever. Like they’re,
⏹️ ▶️ John it doesn’t always happen. They used to be like last year’s chip and stuff like that. But either way, like in recent history,
⏹️ ▶️ John they’ve been named the same, for example, the iPhone 17 pro and the iPhone 17. And if you
⏹️ ▶️ John look at the chips that are in them and the features that they have, there’s some kind of family resemblance.
⏹️ ▶️ John They make some kind of a family. And I say that because if you wait six months
⏹️ ▶️ John to roll out the non-pro versions of the pro phones you just came out with, especially
⏹️ ▶️ John if you don’t change the naming scheme, so the pro phones come out and you’re like, iPhone 18 Pro, wow, look at this,
⏹️ ▶️ John and there’s billboards everywhere, and everybody loves it, it’s your flagship phone, and there’s a foldable one, the Ultra, whatever, woo, everyone loves it.
⏹️ ▶️ John Then six months later, they do a second marketing push for the non-pro phones
⏹️ ▶️ John that are also called iPhone 18, and people say, that’s not the new phone, I saw that phone
⏹️ ▶️ John in the fall, the iPhone 18 in the fall, saying, oh no, no, that was the iPhone 18 Pro. This is the iPhone 18,
⏹️ ▶️ John but not Pro. And they’re like, what? No, it’s the same number. iPhone, both iPhone 18s is just like the
⏹️ ▶️ John expensive one and the cheap one. Why are they advertising six months from now? I think that could lead to some
⏹️ ▶️ John confusion because it’s like, it’s not like they’re withholding it, but it almost seems like
⏹️ ▶️ John that was, the iPhone 18 Pro was state of the art in September. Now you’re telling me the iPhone 18 is state
⏹️ ▶️ John of the art six months later? it looks like there’s a family resemblance,
⏹️ ▶️ John there’s the product name that matches up. Now, it maybe won’t make a difference because you could argue
⏹️ ▶️ John the people who buy the non-pro phones don’t know or care about any of this. And as you said, they just buy a new phone when they
⏹️ ▶️ John need to get a new phone. The only chance they have of delaying is if they know some tech nerd who says, oh no,
⏹️ ▶️ John don’t buy now because in one month the new non-pro phones are coming up or otherwise they just buy whatever’s there.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Do you know anybody who still does that? And like regular people that I interact with that
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I hear from, it’s always just like, oh yeah, my phone broke, I went to the store and got a new one. Like that’s, like
⏹️ ▶️ Marco there’s no consultation whatsoever.
⏹️ ▶️ John But the thing is, even the non-pro iPhones are pretty expensive in the grand scheme of things.
⏹️ ▶️ John Oh yeah. Like it is kind of high-end-ish buyers. I don’t know, like I’m not totally against
⏹️ ▶️ John it. I just think, well, maybe what might actually help is something that
⏹️ ▶️ John people wondered briefly whether Apple would do or not, which is rename the phones to have year numbers too. iPhone 26, you
⏹️ ▶️ John know what I mean? Because then if it comes out later in the year, you’re like, Oh, this is the current phone 26, right? Or,
⏹️ ▶️ John you know, as long as it’s like car model year is like it’s 2025 and the 26 phones are the current ones. And then
⏹️ ▶️ John when you have the pro one come out in the six months later, the nonpro, they both have the year number in them. So they
⏹️ ▶️ John they seem like they’re it’s like when a car model year like, oh, the 20, the the 2026,
⏹️ ▶️ John you know, Honda Civics aren’t coming out until six months into the year. No one cares because it’s still the 2026 model. I
⏹️ ▶️ John don’t know. I mean, I don’t think it’s that big of a deal. I do think spreading the manufacturing
⏹️ ▶️ John has got to help because how painful must it be to like ramp up on every single one of these
⏹️ ▶️ John models of phones all at the same time, at the huge numbers that Apple makes them in.
⏹️ ▶️ John So that probably helps there. But on the other hand, I wonder how this, I mean, maybe this is some kind of financial maneuvering
⏹️ ▶️ John of like that big bump you would get from like phone time is now going to be spread into two
⏹️ ▶️ John smaller bumps, but maybe that second bump is gonna help with some quarter that’s
⏹️ ▶️ John traditionally weak for them or something, I don’t know. I can’t even imagine what the, you know, maneuverings are
⏹️ ▶️ John there. Anyway, it makes sense to me. It makes sense to be spread out like this, but I think there are
⏹️ ▶️ John some potential downsides. And for me as a tech nerd person, I’m gonna be slightly
⏹️ ▶️ John annoyed in that it’s another combo. I guess I’m not gonna be buying,
⏹️ ▶️ John hopefully not gonna be buying new phones for my kids much longer. I mean, hopefully I bought them both their last
⏹️ ▶️ John phone that I’m ever gonna buy them, but you know. Oh, that’s not a happy thought. I’m told the kids these days,
⏹️ ▶️ John uh, sometimes don’t end up, uh, you know, going out on their own as soon
⏹️ ▶️ John as you might think they do. Cause like, look, I just got the ball. I just got the both iPhone seventeens, plain
⏹️ ▶️ John iPhone seventeens. And for my daughter, I think that should last her four years of college. Cause she used an iPhone 12 for four years
⏹️ ▶️ John of high school. So thumbs up success. And for my son, this is his, you know,
⏹️ ▶️ John graduating college, uh, often to the world. You’ve got a fancy iPhone 17
⏹️ ▶️ John and use that for four years and hopefully four years from now you’ll be able to buy yourself your own phone. We’ll see how that turns out.
⏹️ ▶️ John But it does mean that like, you know, new phone time
⏹️ ▶️ John requires a little bit more caution and a little bit more thought about timings.
⏹️ ▶️ John And, you know, anyway, I don’t know. I think it will probably be fine if this gives Apple leeway
⏹️ ▶️ John to, uh, to, as Marco was saying, to like maybe give the
⏹️ ▶️ John the more diversified phones some more breathing room to sort of
⏹️ ▶️ John sink or swim on their own, that’ll be great. Cause I’ve always been a proponent of diversifying the line and I don’t like
⏹️ ▶️ John the idea of like, especially if they plan for it. Like that’s why after the iPhone launched this year, we had
⏹️ ▶️ John some, some rumor or something about manufacturing, like how many phones did Apple order from the factories?
⏹️ ▶️ John And they only ordered a small percentage for the heirs. Like I don’t remember it was six to 8%, But it was
⏹️ ▶️ John like Apple is not shocked by how much the air sold. They they tried to
⏹️ ▶️ John predict how much it would sell. They told the factories to make that much. And it seems like it’s selling that much. So it’s not
⏹️ ▶️ John a surprise to them. But Apple keeps losing faith in that slot, saying,
⏹️ ▶️ John Oh, we made a mini phone. Not enough people buy it. We made a plus phone. Not enough people buy it. Made an air. Not enough people buy it. They’re
⏹️ ▶️ John correctly predicting the tiny percentage of people who are going to buy that. But I’m like, again, like,
⏹️ ▶️ John is that is that the end of the world? Is the phone so expensive that you can’t sustain on, you know, 6%
⏹️ ▶️ John of billions of phones is still a big number It’s still a lot of phone So I hope they
⏹️ ▶️ John give this product line a chance and I also agree with Marco that if I read this at the exact same thing like Battery
⏹️ ▶️ John life the iPhone air is biggest problem. Nope. Not I don’t think it’s the biggest problem
⏹️ ▶️ John I would say the camera is the iPhone airs biggest problem, but everyone’s got their own thing But it seems like
⏹️ ▶️ John battery life is not actually that bad. But anyway, I guess you know we’ll live through
⏹️ ▶️ John this together. And the weird thing is like, you know, it used to be, we’d wait to September to find out what the phones
⏹️ ▶️ John are like, but now just everything leaks so thoroughly. People on YouTube
⏹️ ▶️ John like, the only thing that is not exactly true to form about the phone is that the
⏹️ ▶️ John insides of it don’t exist, but like, it’s a perfect like scale model down to the millimeter,
⏹️ ▶️ John instead of just being those blanks that case manufacturers do, they like manufacture when it looks like it does. And
⏹️ ▶️ John I guess the most thing we get surprised about is exactly what the color looks like because we didn’t know exactly what the orange would look
⏹️ ▶️ John like until we saw it. So anyway, well, I suspect
⏹️ ▶️ John the plain iPhone 18 will probably leak around the same time is the iPhone 18 Pro and then we’ll have to wait six
⏹️ ▶️ John months for the real thing to ship.
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iPhone XX rumors
⏹️ ▶️ Casey iPhone double X or 20 rumors. Is that going to be called 1010? I
⏹️ ▶️ John don’t know. I put that in there. I think I’ve seen people talk about that, but like, hey, the iPhone 10 was called
⏹️ ▶️ John iPhone capital X and it was, well, it was, was it it was
⏹️ ▶️ Marco pronounced 10, right?
⏹️ ▶️ Marco What if it what if it’s like 10 X? Oh
⏹️ ▶️ Casey gosh, that would be ridiculous.
⏹️ ▶️ John Yeah. Anyway, I mean, as Casey will read a second, it’s it’s the that was the iPhone 10 was the 10th anniversary
⏹️ ▶️ John phone and Apple skipped over The nine right? Yeah, they released the iPhone 8
⏹️ ▶️ John and the iPhone 10, but there was no iPhone 9 because they wanted to get to
⏹️ ▶️ John 10 year anniversary and you know, the iPhone 10 was obviously one with face ID and it looked very different It was a big deal.
⏹️ ▶️ John So this is the idea is 10 years later XX
⏹️ ▶️ Casey we shall see so Julie Clover over at Mac rumors on the 10th of October for the 10th anniversary
⏹️ ▶️ Casey anniversary of iPhone that came out in 2017, Apple introduced the iPhone 10 with face ID notch and minimize
⏹️ ▶️ Casey bezels providing more display space than ever before. The 20th iPhone anniversary is approaching
⏹️ ▶️ Casey and Apple wants to take the iPhone 10 design even further. Quick aside, it blows
⏹️ ▶️ Casey my mind. Like I get it, but Michaela was born in January of 2018.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey That means I was using an iPhone with, you know, the home affordance
⏹️ ▶️ Casey and the, you know, I was using this style iPhone. was using an iPhone 10 when she was born. That both feels
⏹️ ▶️ Casey impossible and completely right all at the same time. It’s just so weird. I don’t feel like, I mean, she’s
⏹️ ▶️ Casey seven now, almost eight, and I don’t feel like I have had an iPhone without
⏹️ ▶️ Casey a home button for that long. And yet I feel like I’ve had an iPhone without a home button forever. So it’s very weird. Time. Well, how
⏹️ ▶️ Casey does that work? Anyways, continuing from Julie, we’re two years away from the 20th anniversary iPhone in 2027. Here
⏹️ ▶️ Casey are the rumors that all the rumors that we have heard so far. First of all, all screen. Apple’s supposedly working
⏹️ ▶️ Casey on a display that curves down around all four edges of the device for a borderless visual
⏹️ ▶️ Casey experience. Display analyst Ross Young said that Apple won’t have under-display Face ID ready to go for
⏹️ ▶️ Casey a 2027 iPhone, but other leakers think it’s possible. If Apple can’t get everything under the display,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey we may see under-display Face ID and then a small hole punch cutout on the front
⏹️ ▶️ Casey for the front-facing camera. Then on December 8th, also from MacRumors, this time Tim Hardwick,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey according to a Weibo account that has previously shared accurate supply chain details on Chinese Android
⏹️ ▶️ Casey hardware. Apple is testing some fancy special glass as a way to let the TrueDepth
⏹️ ▶️ Casey infrared sensors pass through the display panel without distortion. This approach is similar
⏹️ ▶️ Casey to existing industry techniques that use micro-perforated or nano-patterned glass to selectively improve
⏹️ ▶️ Casey IR transmission in a localized region above the sensor array. A May report by the information claim
⏹️ ▶️ Casey that the iPhone 18 Pro models will have no dynamic island with just a pinhole cutout located at
⏹️ ▶️ Casey the upper left of the display, but other rumors suggest there’s still going to be a dynamic island. Bloomberg’s Mark Gurman has also
⏹️ ▶️ Casey spoken of a slimmed down dynamic island for the iPhone 18 Pro models. Before I move on, any thoughts on
⏹️ ▶️ John And by the way, the micro-perforations thing, do you remember when they did that for the, do they still do it? I don’t know, for like the
⏹️ ▶️ John power button on the MacBook Pros, where like there was no hole to see the LED.
⏹️ ▶️ John They just took lots and lots of tiny little holes in the aluminum and the light would shine through it. Do you remember
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Oh, yeah, that was amazing.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Yeah. When it would like breathe and when it was suspended, which is incredible.
⏹️ ▶️ John remember if that was the same thing.
⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey Oh, my bad. Marco, if
⏹️ ▶️ John the micro perforations and the breathing were simultaneous or were they
⏹️ ▶️ Marco separate? I think the micro perversions came after because that was that was well within the unibody era. But
⏹️ ▶️ Marco yeah, those were it was such a cool effect.
⏹️ ▶️ John Yeah, it reminds me of this, because like, you know, it’s one of those things it looks magical because if you look at
⏹️ ▶️ John it, it just looks like a piece of aluminum. You can’t see where part of the aluminum has a bunch of small holes and part of
⏹️ ▶️ John it, like you can’t see where the light, when the light is off, you can’t see where it’s going to be. I guess if you had like
⏹️ ▶️ John a like a microscope or maybe a magnifying glass, but with your regular eyes, you couldn’t see it.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco If you knew what to look for, you could see it. But like you’d have to be like looking for it and looking right
⏹️ ▶️ John And you have to have really good eyes. Like
⏹️ ▶️ John was it was anyway, all this is say is that it is evidence that you can put lots of tiny holes in a thing and
⏹️ ▶️ John not have the thing and look like it has lots of tiny holes. And so that lends some feasibility credence
⏹️ ▶️ John to decide. I mean, obviously Android phones probably already do this with all their through screen
⏹️ ▶️ John fingerprint readers and stuff like that. But that’s the idea of like, can we put a face ID sensor behind the screen
⏹️ ▶️ John so we don’t have a notch or a dynamic island or whatever. And Apple’s been working on that for a long time.
⏹️ ▶️ John And we’ll talk more about the all screen nature of this phone once we get done with the whole thing. But technology wise,
⏹️ ▶️ John nothing in here is completely outlandish. It’s always just been a question of when
⏹️ ▶️ John will Apple be satisfied with the quality of putting stuff under the screen
⏹️ ▶️ John that is currently not under the screen. So that’s the camera, the face ID sensor, all that stuff. Lots of other phone
⏹️ ▶️ John manufacturers have done it, but Apple has fairly stringent standards about how well all
⏹️ ▶️ John that stuff has to work. So, so far they haven’t done it, but maybe for iPhone XS.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Has anybody done it for the camera though? Cause at least like on a flagship phone.
⏹️ ▶️ John people have done it for the camera. I think part of the problem with both the camera and Face ID is that
⏹️ ▶️ John you can’t see as much. Like the camera loses light, obviously. There’s all sorts of problems with
⏹️ ▶️ John putting stuff behind the screen. So if you want the very best front-facing camera, you can’t have it under the screen,
⏹️ ▶️ John but maybe at some point, maybe they’ll get to a level of quality that Apple finds acceptable.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah, I am a little curious. Like I could see Apple doing it for the Face ID sensor
⏹️ ▶️ Marco because that maybe is less sensitive to like getting absolutely every bit of light. but if you’re
⏹️ ▶️ Marco gonna put a camera behind a screen, you’re going to reduce the amount of light that will hit
⏹️ ▶️ Marco that sensor. Anything you put in front of a camera, like polarizing films, which would maybe
⏹️ ▶️ Marco be a similar kind of reduction, those reduce the light by a significant amount, like I think one or two stops
⏹️ ▶️ Marco in stop terms usually. And so if you’re putting the camera behind the screen, it will reduce
⏹️ ▶️ Marco the light by quite a bit. That will reduce image quality. And the front-facing
⏹️ ▶️ Marco camera is really important for selfies and other, So like I can see that
⏹️ ▶️ Marco maybe being tricky for the non-foldable special
⏹️ ▶️ Marco phone. Now in a foldable phone context, the front camera for selfies matters
⏹️ ▶️ Marco a lot less because you can use the back camera pretty easily
⏹️ ▶️ Marco for selfies on a foldable. And that’s actually one of the greatest reasons to use foldable phones
⏹️ ▶️ Marco is you can use the good camera for selfies and like flip it around in such
⏹️ ▶️ Marco a way that you can see yourself. Like that’s, so anyway, assuming it has a front screen at least.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco And so that, that I can see like for the foldable being maybe a thing. But for just
⏹️ ▶️ Marco like the plain, you know, if there was like a slab iPhone, you know, flagship of that year,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I don’t know. I think that’s gonna be a tough sell. Because like you look around, like even Android phones for the most part,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco most of them still have that hole punch style design, even when they can put other stuff under
⏹️ ▶️ Marco the screen. Now, all that being said, while we’re talking about face ID
⏹️ ▶️ Marco and putting stuff under screens. Apple, please,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco make touch ID under the screen and face ID
⏹️ ▶️ Marco in the same phone. Because ever since, you know, we have all these rumors
⏹️ ▶️ Marco swirling about like the foldable might just have touch ID now, and everyone’s now talking
⏹️ ▶️ Marco about this again, and everyone’s saying how much they hate touch ID or how much they hate face ID.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I hate them both. They both fail in lots of conditions. Touch ID, we know from many
⏹️ ▶️ Marco years, touch ID fails with things like moisture and obviously gloves.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Face ID, I don’t know if this is a universal thing, but this has been true for me for about the last two
⏹️ ▶️ Marco years through two phones, so I know it’s not just one phone. Face ID fails
⏹️ ▶️ Marco in sun. I don’t know why, but face ID seems designed
⏹️ ▶️ Marco not to work in the sun.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Well, it depends. Like, I forget exactly how it is. I think if the Face ID camera’s
⏹️ ▶️ Casey aimed at the sun, it will almost always fail. I have this happen to me occasionally, and it’s been the case since
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Face ID was a thing, in 2017, as we relearned recently. But this has always been the case.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco think there’s enough failure modes for both technologies that just the realities of them
⏹️ ▶️ Marco mean that, you know, Face ID is obviously gonna have problems with certain, you know, light hitting the sensor in
⏹️ ▶️ Marco certain ways. Touch ID is gonna obviously have problems with certain contact issues between the sensor
⏹️ ▶️ Marco and your finger, whether that’s water or gloves or whatever. Ideally, I would love a phone,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco especially a flagship phone, where component costs might not be super substantial. I would
⏹️ ▶️ Marco love a phone that offered both and gave you an option, even though it would technically be reduced
⏹️ ▶️ Marco security, gave you an option to just say, read whichever one succeeds first.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Like if either one of them succeeds, let me in. That would be amazing. Talk about
⏹️ ▶️ Marco getting people excited about a new iPhone. That would do it, because then everybody
⏹️ ▶️ Marco who likes one of those more than the other would all be happy about that phone. So maybe
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Apple consider that. Assuming that you can’t defeat the sun, which I’ve said it many times,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco never bet against the smartphone. A lot of people might also say, don’t bet against the sun. You kind of can’t
⏹️ ▶️ Marco beat the sun. It’s there whether you like it or not. It’s super powerful, like the smartphone, right? Even Apple
⏹️ ▶️ Marco can’t beat the sun.
⏹️ ▶️ John Wait five billion years, that sun’s going down.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco So assuming that you can’t beat the sun and you can’t prevent people from having wet hands sometimes, like
⏹️ ▶️ Marco try to just embrace the imperfection of the world that you’re operating in. Offer both sensors
⏹️ ▶️ Marco and let whichever one succeeds first let you into your phone.
⏹️ ▶️ John Actually in five billion years, I think the sun’s gonna absorb the earth. So I think it will win right before it loses.
⏹️ ▶️ John the under screen face ID, touch ID thing, obviously Android phones have had that. I’ve just been always been
⏹️ ▶️ John assuming that the accuracy is not up to Apple’s touch ID standards for the underscreen ones
⏹️ ▶️ Marco But but the reality is like the entire Android world been doing this forever and it’s fine
⏹️ ▶️ John they just have lower standards for security like in terms of how easy it is to fool, you know
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah, but so so what happens then people who have to enter their passcode a lot
⏹️ ▶️ Marco end up reducing the security of their passcode Or the more times you enter it the more opportunities you have for someone
⏹️ ▶️ Marco else to to scout it Well, I mean, that’s
⏹️ ▶️ John the thing. Like the lower quality underscreen thing is less likely to succeed and lead to more passcode
⏹️ ▶️ Marco not less. I don’t know enough about how that works to say for sure, but like I’ve seen the passcode, the
⏹️ ▶️ Marco underscreen touch ID thing been used on Android phones a lot and I’ve never seen it fail.
⏹️ ▶️ John Yeah, no, I just think the standards are lower for the security of
⏹️ ▶️ Marco in mind, like I recently had to, for years, I have used an alphanumeric passcode,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco it’s just like a password on my phone. And in the last couple of years, I’ve had to enter my passcode
⏹️ ▶️ Marco so many times that I finally was like, screw it, I’m going back to a number.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco And so I actually had to reduce my passcode security because now I’m on a number which
⏹️ ▶️ Marco is, you know, not only like, you know, just less entropy there than a passphrase or a password
⏹️ ▶️ Marco but also as I’m typing it in I think it’s easier for people to spot what it is if I’m looking over my
⏹️ ▶️ Marco shoulder. Yeah, for sure, it is. But I’ve had to do that because it is just
⏹️ ▶️ Marco so, it’s asking me so often for my passcode in the last year or two. Now
⏹️ ▶️ Marco you know look on a global scale, like how many people do you know whose passcode is like 1212
⏹️ ▶️ Marco because they are just themselves so tired of entering it constantly they make
⏹️ ▶️ Marco it something really simple like that. And then anybody who’s ever around them for more than an hour will see them enter their passcode at
⏹️ ▶️ Marco some point. Like that’s so common. If Face ID and Touch ID are so strict
⏹️ ▶️ Marco that they are causing a lot of lockout, that people are having to enter their passcode a lot all
⏹️ ▶️ Marco the time, it’s like when you make password requirements so strict people write it down on a post-it note next to their computer.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco It’s the same version of that for the phone. If you make the phone super strict with their security and causes a lot
⏹️ ▶️ Marco of lockouts, they’re just gonna switch to simpler passcodes that will overall reduce
⏹️ ▶️ Marco their security. So it is better if you can find a way to offer people
⏹️ ▶️ Marco secure entry that doesn’t fail so often and lock them out so often, that is generally better.
⏹️ ▶️ John I think the face ID problem is probably just basically dynamic range of like the IR that it is emitted and
⏹️ ▶️ John bounced off your face. It has to be able to see that, right? And so if you’re a face or the sensor
⏹️ ▶️ John being blasted by the full light of the sun, can you pick out the infrared dots that are
⏹️ ▶️ John there? Because there’s infrared light coming from other places. I don’t know what the problem is with the sun. I haven’t actually
⏹️ ▶️ John experienced that, but I don’t doubt that it happens. You never go in the sun. Yeah, I do occasionally, but anyway, your
⏹️ ▶️ John real problem here, Marco, is this. Well, so as setting aside the security things and when are these things up to Apple standard
⏹️ ▶️ John and the other part of that is how much does Apple really, really, really want to have an all,
⏹️ ▶️ John quote unquote, all screen iPhone XX, whatever, maybe that will motivate them
⏹️ ▶️ John to lower their standards and make the thing or whatever. But the real problem is Apple’s
⏹️ ▶️ John cheapness. They won’t put both face ID and touch ID because
⏹️ ▶️ John it would cost them more money. And because they’re gonna be like, can’t we just pick one? I mean, just look at how long they’ve taken them to
⏹️ ▶️ John not put face ID on the Mac, which is a much more expensive thing that has a much more controlled environment a lot of the time,
⏹️ ▶️ John depending on laptops, blah, blah, blah. So I think that like, even if the
⏹️ ▶️ John technology exists to do both of them, Apple’s inclination for the entire history of
⏹️ ▶️ John the phone has been absolutely, we will not do both of them. We will do one or the other. Look at the iPads,
⏹️ ▶️ John they do one or the other. They don’t do both. They could do both on the iPad right now, but they do not.
⏹️ ▶️ John You know, obviously a side button, not under screen. And there’s, you know, room is, there’s not a lot of room for,
⏹️ ▶️ John I don’t know how much room the underscreen one takes up, but it’s probably non-zero. The other problem you have, Marco, is that
⏹️ ▶️ John if and when they actually do this, John Turner’s takes over, fixes everything, touch ID and underscreen,
⏹️ ▶️ John underscreen touch ID and face ID and all the phones, yada yada, there’s a tiny window when this will
⏹️ ▶️ John be useful to you because according to my parents, touch ID doesn’t work for old people.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Yeah, you’ve talked about this
⏹️ ▶️ Casey, John many times. What? Because their
⏹️ ▶️ John fingerprints, because their finger skin is too loosey goosey. They absolutely cannot
⏹️ ▶️ John or could not use Touch ID across many, many devices in many, many years. I don’t know if this is just
⏹️ ▶️ John them. They claim it’s all old people, but there’s only a matter of time, Marco, before Touch ID becomes useless
⏹️ ▶️ John to you, according to my parents. So you got to hope it’s a turnover in Apple leadership, a change in attitude
⏹️ ▶️ John about picking one authentication device and only one authentication device for a device, and then rolling
⏹️ ▶️ John that out before your fingers become too old and saggy to use Touch ID.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I mean, hopefully I have, I’m only 43. Like hopefully I have a little while before
⏹️ ▶️ Marco that happens. I’m 37. Not
⏹️ ▶️ John old, I’m 37. I don’t
⏹️ ▶️ John from. Nope, nothing. I think it’d be interesting how long it’ll take Apple to have a change of heart about this. All
⏹️ ▶️ Casey right, coming back to the iPhone double X. Display, Apple is planning
⏹️ ▶️ Casey to use a brighter, thinner OLED panel for the 20th anniversary of the iPhone. Rumor suggests that Apple will adopt Samsung
⏹️ ▶️ Casey OLED displays with color filter on encapsulation or COE technology. COE displays remove
⏹️ ▶️ Casey the polarizing film from an OLED panel, applying the color filter directly onto the encapsulation
⏹️ ▶️ Casey layer of the display. Reflections are harder to deal with when there’s no polarizing film, but in this year’s iPhones,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Apple added a new anti-reflective coating that could be improved for future versions of the iPhone. With
⏹️ ▶️ Casey deeply curved edges, Apple also plans to add a crater-shaped light diffusion layer that will provide
⏹️ ▶️ Casey uniform brightness across the display.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco All right, so these whole kind of like curved around the edge kind of
⏹️ ▶️ Marco displays, is this a good idea? Like I know Samsung phones have done this for
⏹️ ▶️ Marco a million years. And they stopped doing it. I already have occasional
⏹️ ▶️ Marco challenges with accidental input as bezels of everything have shrunk.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco You know, and I’m not gonna argue that the bezels on the iPhone should get thicker because I know it looks
⏹️ ▶️ Marco really great the way it is now. And that’s true. And, you know, people do buy these things based on looks
⏹️ ▶️ Marco to a large degree. But every time the bezels shrink, I have
⏹️ ▶️ Marco more accidental input around the screen edges. And obviously the phone has software
⏹️ ▶️ Marco to try to detect that and kind of try to reject certain ones of those, but that also just, you know, makes
⏹️ ▶️ Marco it so that input is less reliable when those systems are active. And so that’s not great either. Also,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco phone cases exist.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey when you say you have accidental input around the edges, I think you’re
⏹️ ▶️ Casey describing what I’ve noticed, which has been bad for a long time, but it’s gotten worse for me in the last year or two.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey I don’t know how to describe this in an eloquent way, and it would be easier if I had visual aid, but I feel
⏹️ ▶️ Casey like my palm meat on my hands is
⏹️ ▶️ Casey hitting the very edges of the display and doing like button activations and stuff. And it’s driving me
⏹️ ▶️ Casey freaking bonkers. And it wasn’t until you said something that it occurred to me. I wonder if it is because the bezels
⏹️ ▶️ Casey are so darn thin now.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yes, that definitely happens. Now, historically, the iPhone has been a little smart about it. So
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I don’t think I’ve ever had confirmation on this, but the way I think it works, just based on observation, is I
⏹️ ▶️ Marco think when you wake up the phone, if any part of your
⏹️ ▶️ Marco palm or hand is touching an edge, I think it just ignores that area
⏹️ ▶️ Marco next time the phone is slept or changed in some way. So it does kind of like automatic
⏹️ ▶️ Marco rejection of things that are like that, like we’re touching when you turned it on. But
⏹️ ▶️ Marco sometimes that also means in those areas, like our dead zones until you sleep and
⏹️ ▶️ Marco wake up the phone again. Like, so when you do wanna interact with those areas, if you lift up whatever palm is touching it and poke it with a finger,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco sometimes I’ve had that not work until I slept the phone and woke up. And so I don’t know if that’s an application layer bug
⏹️ ▶️ Marco or if that’s like the, if the phone is doing that, like at the kind of like the screen touch driver kind of level, I don’t
⏹️ ▶️ Marco know. but that’s always been, I’ve always observed that on iPhones and I don’t know if I’m
⏹️ ▶️ Marco characterizing it correctly or not, but that’s, that seems like what it’s doing. But as the phone bezels have gotten
⏹️ ▶️ Marco smaller, especially as you don’t use a case, this is extra noticeable.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco And it’s like, I noticed it when I’ve been using a case for a while and then I switched
⏹️ ▶️ Marco back to not using a case. I noticed I have a lot more of that kind of either accidental input
⏹️ ▶️ Marco or inadvertent, like input lockout around the edges. So it is definitely a thing.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco And again, whether the specifics are actually working that way, I don’t know. Hopefully somebody at Apple can write in and tell us.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco But as you shrink the bezels, you create more problems like this. Now,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco you also create a big problem of, not only are you going to be touching these parts of the screens inadvertently
⏹️ ▶️ Marco as you hold the phone, but since so many people, I would say probably the majority
⏹️ ▶️ Marco by a long shot, use cases with their phones?
⏹️ ▶️ Marco How do you design a case to attach and wrap around a phone’s edges
⏹️ ▶️ Marco if the edges are screen content? And I think the answer probably is
⏹️ ▶️ Marco you just ignore it, you cover as little as you can and you hope the software doesn’t put anything useful there. And probably
⏹️ ▶️ Marco the software wouldn’t put anything useful there. So what, I’m sure, you know, in iOS terms, it would
⏹️ ▶️ Marco be in the safe area. And apps would be inset with all their content would be inset around,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco you know, to be pulled in from the safe area. Right now we have that on top and bottom, and we would just have it on all
⏹️ ▶️ Marco four sides, which liquid glass is obviously made to to account for and to accommodate.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco So what we would be adding in this situation is basically.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Blurry background content wrapping around a part of the phone that your
⏹️ ▶️ Marco hand is covering or a case is covering largely. So,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco why? What’s the point? Why would we do that
⏹️ ▶️ Marco if what we’re really going to be filling it with is blurry background colors that most people won’t even see?
⏹️ ▶️ John You could ask the same questions about liquid glass
⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco and we have no answer there either.
⏹️ ▶️ John Part of the Android, I don’t know if it’s just Samsung, but part of the Android phone version
⏹️ ▶️ John of this, the waterfall edge with the screen actually curves around the side of the thing. was
⏹️ ▶️ John some notion, especially early on of putting content essentially on the side of your phone,
⏹️ ▶️ John like text or words or things along the edge that you could read from the side, because it wrapped
⏹️ ▶️ John around so much in some of those phones that you could look at the phone from the side and see screen.
⏹️ ▶️ John And I think I saw at least one ad that was like, and look, you can put content there. You’ll be shocked to
⏹️ ▶️ John learn that I’m pretty sure that did not catch on.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco It’s an awful idea. And it does like in in marketing, it does look cool.
⏹️ ▶️ John It looks cool in person, too.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah, you can imagine like if your phone is face down on its desk or table, you could maybe have the edge show you like
⏹️ ▶️ Marco one line of text. And yeah, you can. No one did. Or
⏹️ ▶️ John it could light up on the edge more easily, like project out light from the edges and do a little pad. There’s lots of fun
⏹️ ▶️ John things that you could do with it. But like until these phones levitate in front of us, we have to grab it
⏹️ ▶️ John with something. And the part that we we’re going to end up covering up parts of the screen. Like I think
⏹️ ▶️ John that the and these are still just rumors, But I think the main thing against
⏹️ ▶️ John this design is that despite all the things we’re saying about it,
⏹️ ▶️ John it’s been tried. It’s been done. It did not catch on like
⏹️ ▶️ John the market essentially said, no, not interested. And it’s not because there was like
⏹️ ▶️ John some other mitigating factor where there was a big, powerful company saying we don’t like that or whatever. It was
⏹️ ▶️ John some of the biggest Android phone manufacturers did it. And. it was
⏹️ ▶️ John not popular enough for them to keep doing it. Now maybe when Apple does it, everyone will copy them again because
⏹️ ▶️ John people will copy Apple no matter what they do. Right, so maybe this will give a resurgence in this
⏹️ ▶️ John type of thing. But yeah, it’s very much like the liquid glass stuff. It’s like
⏹️ ▶️ John someone thinks this is going to be a cool idea, but practically it’s not good
⏹️ ▶️ John and it has lots of impractical effects. So we should keep reading this because there’s more. You brought up cases and there’s a little
⏹️ ▶️ John bit of that at the end here too. Like as we, as the shape, the rumored shape
⏹️ ▶️ John of this iPhone XX comes into view, it starts to seem
⏹️ ▶️ Casey All right, solid state buttons. Reading from a different post on Mac Rumors, Apple is developing a solid state button system
⏹️ ▶️ Casey as a wholesale replacement for the device’s traditional mechanical buttons as per a Weibo account.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Back in 2022, several reports suggested Apple intended to bring solid state buttons to the iPhone 15 Pro in 2023 as part of Project Bongo.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey However, the plan was before reportedly canceled at a late stage. They were then rumored to
⏹️ ▶️ Casey come up to the iPhone 16 Pro before being shelved indefinitely. According to the
⏹️ ▶️ Casey leaker, Apple’s solid state button design has completed functional verification and includes haptic feedback
⏹️ ▶️ Casey for the side button, volume buttons, action button, and camera control button.
⏹️ ▶️ John Yeah, so now this is an all screen phone, which if you believe the maximal rumors, it doesn’t
⏹️ ▶️ John even, you know, everything is under the screen. The screen wraps around all the edges. There’s no bezels at
⏹️ ▶️ John all. There’s no buttons on it, because everything is a solid state button with haptic feedback.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Camera, Apple might adopt a camera sensor using LOFIC, or lateral overflow integration capacitor
⏹️ ▶️ Casey for better dynamic range. This would join improvements rumored for the iPhone 18 models like a variable lens aperture.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey The upgraded sensor would be able to capture up to 20 stops of dynamic range. LOFIC enables each
⏹️ ▶️ Casey pixel to store varying amounts of light based on scene brightness. This allows a sensor to
⏹️ ▶️ Casey capture detail on both bright highlights and dark shadows within a single frame. According to an account on the Korean language, Never
⏹️ ▶️ Casey blog, Chinese manufacturers, including Honor, Xiaomi, and Huawei, plan to adopt LoFiq
⏹️ ▶️ Casey technology in their 2026 flagship smartphones, using new Sony sensors,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey while Oppo and Vivo are developing LoFiq-equipped models for release next year.
⏹️ ▶️ John This is the one part of the iPhone 20 rumor that’s just a straight up, better cameras.
⏹️ ▶️ John Good, I like the idea of like this new sensor type, like letting it not do like two exposures different,
⏹️ ▶️ John uh, you know, they’re doing a dark exposure and light exposure to combine them, but some, you know, it has a wide enough range that you can
⏹️ ▶️ John do a single exposure. So that’s cool. If that ends up being the case, um,
⏹️ ▶️ John and a variable aperture. Again, that’s been rumored for a while. I’m not sure if phones are already shipping with
⏹️ ▶️ John that, but what that means is that a little tiny mechanical thing that makes a whole bigger and smaller inside the
⏹️ ▶️ John camera exists. That’s not how any past iPhone camera has worked. That’s how big cameras
⏹️ ▶️ John work, you can change the aperture. That would be a useful thing, but boy, stuff is tiny
⏹️ ▶️ John in there. Like I’m not sure how they would pull this off, but that would sure be neat. Uh, and it would,
⏹️ ▶️ John it definitely give you a lot of flexibility in camera apps to do some stuff that you can’t do as easily right now.
⏹️ ▶️ John Although honestly, just to get enough light on the sensor, it’d probably be wide open almost all the time anyway,
⏹️ ▶️ John but this all sounds cool. So this is like the one thing that run rumor that I hope
⏹️ ▶️ John is true and that I don’t think there’s anything bad about it.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah, that’s honestly, if they can achieve that dynamic range increase
⏹️ ▶️ Marco on the sensor, that’s huge. That matters a lot in
⏹️ ▶️ Marco all photography, and especially in phone photography where you often don’t have time to
⏹️ ▶️ Marco worry too much about the exposure of whatever you’re shooting in it, or the highlights going to blow out. Like no, you just take your phone out, boom,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco shoot. And right now, phones are already and have been for some time, way
⏹️ ▶️ Marco better than professional cameras at that particular scenario of like
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I have a scene with a wide dynamic range happening here and I want to shoot something
⏹️ ▶️ Marco reliably that’s going to be good and properly exposed and not blown out you know with very little effort
⏹️ ▶️ Marco and very little time. Right now phones are better our best at that because what they usually
⏹️ ▶️ Marco do is take a quick burst of like you know three to five or whatever
⏹️ ▶️ Marco you know however we are up to these days quick shots all in a row and they merge merge them together into like
⏹️ ▶️ Marco a merged HDR image. Well, if this center technology advancement
⏹️ ▶️ Marco does what is promised here and allows that same level of dynamic range possibly
⏹️ ▶️ Marco to be captured in a single frame and therefore be captured in every frame,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco that’s a significant improvement. That can help things like sharpness because when you capture three quickly
⏹️ ▶️ Marco in a row, things might have moved during that time. You have to kind of account for that. Like there’s all sorts of ways
⏹️ ▶️ Marco that can play out in very positive ways. So if that is true and if that works
⏹️ ▶️ Marco very well, that alone, that dynamic range improvement, that’s a significant improvement for
⏹️ ▶️ Marco much of photography, much of the time.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey All right, and then probably to wrap up for today, Apple’s exploring touch-sensitive
⏹️ ▶️ Casey layers built into official iPhone cases, reading from MacRumors from mid-November. According to
⏹️ ▶️ Casey a known Weibo-based leaker, Apple is looking to make protective cases Pro models that directly integrate
⏹️ ▶️ Casey touch-based sensor layers. The leaker provided no further details, but there are some clues to be found
⏹️ ▶️ Casey in previous research conducted by Apple. A patent application filed by the company in 2024 describes
⏹️ ▶️ Casey a case with input for an electronic device and outlines a protective iPhone case
⏹️ ▶️ Casey designed to act as an input service rather than passive shielding. The patent
⏹️ ▶️ Casey also details how the case communicates with the device using identification and signal transfer through interfaces
⏹️ ▶️ Casey such such as NFC. Some versions also include provisions for biometric input, allowing a Touch ID fingerprint
⏹️ ▶️ Casey sensor in the case to unlock features in the phone, for example. What makes the idea more timely
⏹️ ▶️ Casey is that Apple is said to be pursuing a radical redesign for its 20th anniversary iPhone with
⏹️ ▶️ Casey a display that curves around all four edges of the device. This approach could leave almost no
⏹️ ▶️ Casey room for mechanical buttons, and indeed, there have been reports that Apple may shift to solid state capacitive
⏹️ ▶️ Casey layers on the anniversary model, enabling a visually uninterrupted design that could make an interactive case
⏹️ ▶️ Casey a natural companion.
⏹️ ▶️ John So I think this, I’m thinking of this as iPhone XS because it is so much like the iPhone
⏹️ ▶️ John X, which had a big capital X, which was a complete departure from the phone design
⏹️ ▶️ John that had existed basically since the original iPhone, having a screen, a home button, and just like that whole thing of saying,
⏹️ ▶️ John you know, the iPhone X is gonna be, it’s like the future, it’s all screen. I mean, the iPhone X was essentially all screen and
⏹️ ▶️ John the notch is there. Previously, we hadn’t cut out any portion of the screen And it seemed very strange
⏹️ ▶️ John that they did that. And it was all, you know, we didn’t know if we were gonna get used to it. And obviously it’s the dynamic island now, but like
⏹️ ▶️ John they’re gonna go all screen. But I think as I said, when they rolled out the iPhone 10, it’s the
⏹️ ▶️ John Apple does not want this notch to be there. It’s just, it has to be there now, but when they can get
⏹️ ▶️ John rid of it, they will. So here’s the rumor, they’re gonna go all screen again. Now the iPhone 10 was
⏹️ ▶️ John not a sure thing when it was released because it was so different. And yes, sometimes the home buttons
⏹️ ▶️ John broke, but touch ID was in the home button, which was a very amazing transition of like, you know how we’ve had this button on our
⏹️ ▶️ John phone? Well, you’re putting your finger there anyway. Guess where we’re gonna put the fingerprint sensor and like,
⏹️ ▶️ John no way that can work. And wow, it did. And like, it was so natural. You take the phone out of your pocket, you press the button, your thumb is already
⏹️ ▶️ John on there. It reads touch ID. So synergistic. And the iPhone X just threw all that away. It’s like, nope, no home
⏹️ ▶️ John button. No, whatever we call that chin on the phone where the home button was, which was a region of the phone that
⏹️ ▶️ John you could touch and know you weren’t gonna mess with the screen that was very big, because that’s where the home button was. That’s all
⏹️ ▶️ John gone too. And in its places, face ID, it’s gonna read my face. Does it work in the dark? Can I
⏹️ ▶️ John fool it with a photograph? Can I fool it with a mannequin’s head? You remember all that conversation?
⏹️ ▶️ John And the upshot was that the iPhone 10, I think was just a triumph. Like that way
⏹️ ▶️ John of making phones has proven to be better. There are trade-offs with all these
⏹️ ▶️ John things, but since the iPhone 10, every iPhone has been like that. And it’s been a hit.
⏹️ ▶️ John We use them, we like them. Yes, some people wish touch ID was still there, especially in the early years, people complained about it,
⏹️ ▶️ John but net net billions of consumers with billions of iPhones have decided
⏹️ ▶️ John that design with no button on it. I mean, Micaela, as you just noted, has never lived in a world without that design.
⏹️ ▶️ John That’s just what phones are like to modern people is the iPhone 10 design of just,
⏹️ ▶️ John it’s a screen. It’s got some portion of it cut out because we got stuff that, you know, cameras and sensors or whatever.
⏹️ ▶️ John You unlock it by looking at it. You flick up on the thing, like that worked.
⏹️ ▶️ John This iPhone X, X thing, which is like, okay, it’s like the iPhone 10, but like the screen
⏹️ ▶️ John goes even more around and we don’t have any room for any buttons anymore.
⏹️ ▶️ John And everything is solid state. I don’t know what this is bringing me. That
⏹️ ▶️ John like, like the iPhone 10 brought a different set of trade-offs that I think are better for me. And for most
⏹️ ▶️ John people, this brings a whole bunch of new compromises in exchange
⏹️ ▶️ Casey See also iPhone Air.
⏹️ ▶️ John Yeah, do I get more? I guess I get a little bit more screen. Like I like the idea of gettering
⏹️ ▶️ John the notch of the dynamic, because that does cut into your image. Like there’s parts of your screen you can’t use because there’s
⏹️ ▶️ John no pixels there, especially if you’re watching like landscape video. It has to either, you know,
⏹️ ▶️ John you’re either missing some of the picture or it’s got to shrink up, or like depending on the aspect ratio what you’re watching, yada, yada, right?
⏹️ ▶️ John But like that’s, oh, that’s clearly been a compromise. So I’m all for getting rid of that. But every other
⏹️ ▶️ John change described here, we need the screen to wrap around the edges for similarly stupid reasons
⏹️ ▶️ John to the stupid things we did in liquid glass. That there’s no benefit to that,
⏹️ ▶️ John right? And there’s lots of problems, but now we can’t have buttons. Let’s make all the buttons haptic. Eh,
⏹️ ▶️ John I mean, the camera control has not been a huge hit. And even that is a physical button that goes in and out despite
⏹️ ▶️ John all it’s like other stuff that it has in it. I’m not entirely against haptic buttons because they
⏹️ ▶️ John did it with the home button and it was actually really great, but I’m not clamoring
⏹️ ▶️ John for them either. I mean, maybe there’s a failure rate that I don’t know about on the things. Like, and then
⏹️ ▶️ John this rumor about the touch sensitive things being put into phone cases, they’re saying
⏹️ ▶️ John like, okay, so if the buttons are like haptic and touch sensitive, are
⏹️ ▶️ John they kind of like the camera control and that case manufacturers have to do a thing that transfers
⏹️ ▶️ John the fact that you’re touching it? I mean, the only reason they did it for the camera control because of the swipey stuff. Because again, the camera control literally
⏹️ ▶️ John does physically move in and out. So they don’t need it for the button press. But now case manufacturers
⏹️ ▶️ John have to be involved to deal with these haptic buttons. And then the other part of this, the other hopeful part is
⏹️ ▶️ John based on a patent, which means you can probably just forget it because, you know, Apple patents everything doesn’t mean they’re ever going to ship it.
⏹️ ▶️ John But it does hint at a design that, again, other phones have done in the past, which
⏹️ ▶️ John is like, how about don’t put the touch thing on the screen And also
⏹️ ▶️ John don’t try to jam it on the side like they do on the iPads Because there’s not a lot of room there,
⏹️ ▶️ John but you got the whole back of the phone Couldn’t you put a fingerprinty thing there? It’s like yeah, but what about
⏹️ ▶️ John people with cases? Well, if you have this magical case, they could transfer the thing through and yada yada, whatever like
⏹️ ▶️ John You have a lot of leeway to do fingerprint sensing on the back of a phone
⏹️ ▶️ John With some flexibility now, it’s harder to aim on the screen. You can say please put your finger here
⏹️ ▶️ John People put their hands in different places. Like I don’t really believe this rumor, but at least if that was part of
⏹️ ▶️ John the iPhone 20 rumor that they’re gonna put Touch ID in the back and Face ID
⏹️ ▶️ John in the front, then I would be like, okay, well now, now I’m getting something. Because we have the Touch ID, or we have the Home
⏹️ ▶️ John button error, then we have the Touch ID error, then we have the Face ID error, and then the third error would be Touch
⏹️ ▶️ John ID and Face ID, but the Touch is on the back, or maybe the Touch is on the back and the front or whatever. But like
⏹️ ▶️ John this idea of a, So I keep picturing it as like kind of a lozenge shaped phone that is like
⏹️ ▶️ John more than 50% screen. The screen wraps around all the edges and it’s just, it’s everywhere. And like,
⏹️ ▶️ John it doesn’t appeal to be in a, in a, like I was nervous about the iPhone 10, but
⏹️ ▶️ John it turned out great. I am nervous about this phone now, if it is as rumored and I’m
⏹️ ▶️ John less confident that it’s gonna turn out great. So we’ll see. But it just, I just, the whole reason this thing is in here is because I’m like, 20
⏹️ ▶️ John of that anniversary phone, I’m not excited for
⏹️ ▶️ John it. I’m excited for the camera, but you can put that on like a quote unquote normal phone. Like, and we’ll see. Like again,
⏹️ ▶️ John I felt like I had the exact same, I would have had the exact same attitude had I known more about the iPhone 10 before
⏹️ ▶️ John it was released and it turned out great, but I’m not optimistic about this right now.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey I mean, I don’t know. I think I am cautiously optimistic. It sounds like it’ll be really,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey really, really cool, but the iPhone Air is, to me, very
⏹️ ▶️ Casey cool, and there is no chance I’m going to run that as a daily driver. There’s not enough battery,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey certainly not a good enough camera just for me, uh-uh. And I know several of our friends are
⏹️ ▶️ Casey really loving it and I am genuinely happy for them. Not for me though. And I wonder if this will
⏹️ ▶️ Casey be a similar situation.
⏹️ ▶️ John doesn’t have any of those compromises though. Like this is gonna be like, you know, it’s a flagship phone. It’s gonna have all the cameras,
⏹️ ▶️ John all the tech, all the battery. It’s not gonna be super duper thin. Like there’s the folding phone, you
⏹️ ▶️ John know, thing for that. Like it just, this just seems like, like the iPhone 10. It’s like the flagship phone.
⏹️ ▶️ John It’s got the most of everything in it. It’s the fastest processor. It’s the best cameras. It’s the most cameras. It’s
⏹️ ▶️ John the most pixels. It’s the most screen. It’s the most technology. I guess it’s mostly the wraparound
⏹️ ▶️ John screen and the haptic buttons, I think, right now are bad ideas. Now I can’t say that because
⏹️ ▶️ John I haven’t seen them. Maybe they’re actually great because I would have said that the home button, the haptic home button was also a bad idea, but
⏹️ ▶️ John by the end of the haptic home button, I liked it better than the regular home button. So it’s hard to predict how
⏹️ ▶️ John these things are gonna go. the wraparound screen a little bit more confident with, like I said, because it has been done before.
⏹️ ▶️ John And it’s not like, oh, they didn’t do a good job with it, but Apple will do a good job. I think they did as good a job as you could do with the wraparound
⏹️ ▶️ John screen. Like it was a screen that wrapped around. And then it’s just a new place for you to break your phone, by the way,
⏹️ ▶️ John Casey, because now when you drop it and if it’s on the edge, you can crack the screen from the edge too.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco about that immediately. I definitely think like the, if it would rely
⏹️ ▶️ Marco on like all of these special case considerations, that’s gonna make it a no-go for
⏹️ ▶️ Marco so many people because like how many people do you see using third-party cases?
⏹️ ▶️ Marco It’s almost everyone.
⏹️ ▶️ John Oh, like you said, they’ll just cover it up. I bet they’ll just cut third-party cases, we’ll just cover up all that side
⏹️ ▶️ Marco screen. Well, because otherwise how, like what people buy cases for? Protection,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco yeah. It’s, yeah, you have to protect everything about the phone, including all of the edges. That’s why
⏹️ ▶️ Marco much to John’s chagrin, they all have closed bottoms now because everybody wants protection
⏹️ ▶️ Marco edge to edge because that’s what most people need. So like, I could see that being a problem, but I think
⏹️ ▶️ Marco though, you know, if we can, I can see why this could end up being really weird and bad.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I don’t think it will. I think they’re gonna succeed in making something that is really cool. My
⏹️ ▶️ Marco question though is, you know, again, like what Casey was saying with the iPhone Air.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco The iPhone Air looks cool, but people are not choosing
⏹️ ▶️ Marco it in large numbers. Why? because people tend to have one phone
⏹️ ▶️ Marco for a pretty long time, and they need it to serve them everywhere and do everything
⏹️ ▶️ Marco for them, and always be ready and be able to take on whatever challenge they might find
⏹️ ▶️ Marco in their lives during the few years they’re gonna have that phone. So people don’t buy weird convertible
⏹️ ▶️ Marco phones, they buy SUV phones, because they want something that’s going to, you know, do everything for
⏹️ ▶️ Marco them all the time. the iPhone Air is really cool in certain ways,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco but made some really big trade-offs. And most people are not choosing
⏹️ ▶️ Marco the phone that made those trade-offs. With this rumored iPhone 20, we don’t actually know
⏹️ ▶️ Marco what the trade-offs are necessarily. Like, you know, we can guess it’s
⏹️ ▶️ Marco probably gonna be the flagship high-end phone. So it’s not gonna have like, you know, severe cost constraints.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco It’s probably going to not be the absolute thinnest, although I would say they’re
⏹️ ▶️ Marco probably gonna try to make it very thin, but other things can fall out of that. So for instance,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco as you make the phone thinner, well, do you include the camera bump in that? If so, you’re gonna reduce the camera quality.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco That is a big problem for people. Are you going to reduce the battery capacity? That’s a big problem for people.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco As we see with the Air, are you going to maybe make the speakers not as good? That’s a big problem
⏹️ ▶️ Marco for people. There’s a lot, like everything that is made worse about the phone
⏹️ ▶️ Marco in exchange for whatever is making it cool is gonna lop off parts
⏹️ ▶️ Marco of the market that would have bought that phone but now won’t. How many
⏹️ ▶️ Marco chunks are you gonna lop off and how big are they? That’s the question. The iPhone Air lopped off some
⏹️ ▶️ Marco really big ones and that’s why not a lot of people are choosing to buy it. But
⏹️ ▶️ Marco this might be a different set. Hopefully it’s a less extreme set. And maybe the wraparound screen,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco maybe that’s just like a really minor little detail that most people don’t really notice most of the time because
⏹️ ▶️ Marco it’s covered up in cases and it turns out it doesn’t matter at all.
⏹️ ▶️ John Yeah, maybe it doesn’t wrap around as much as those old Android phones did. Maybe it’s essentially,
⏹️ ▶️ John it doesn’t wrap around at all, but essentially it’s like zero bezel.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Right, or maybe it wraps around like a couple of millimeters into the edge, but it’s not,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco you wouldn’t necessarily be able to read something on the side.
⏹️ ▶️ John Yeah, you wouldn’t see it from the edge. Like again, this is hard to tell with rumors until we start getting case designs, because
⏹️ ▶️ John that I feel like is the most difficult one. The haptic buttons, as I think we discussed with the 15 Pro,
⏹️ ▶️ John they were gonna do like the haptic volume buttons where it’s just one thing. I mean, that could work. Again, they have the history of the home button making
⏹️ ▶️ John it work, but complications in case design, like it hasn’t been terrible with the whole
⏹️ ▶️ John thing with like the camera control, with the cutouts and then case manufacturers taking a while to have the pass through. It was just a
⏹️ ▶️ John little bit of an annoyance. So I guess there’s that transition period. I mean, if you remember with the iPhone X, the
⏹️ ▶️ John thing about the iPhone 8 that was released alongside it was it still had the home button. So Apple was hedging its bets saying
⏹️ ▶️ John we got this new thing, but if you don’t, like to Margo’s point, if you look at this and you feel
⏹️ ▶️ John like it’s making trade-outs you don’t agree with, we do have the old thing that you’re used to over there, but I feel like
⏹️ ▶️ John when they ran that experiment, they were like, oh no, 10, 10 is the way to go. And so from that point on, it was like,
⏹️ ▶️ John I mean, they kept around touch ID phones for a while, whatever, but it was like full steam ahead. Like our mainline flagship
⏹️ ▶️ John phones are gonna be iPhone 10-ish phones from now on, and they never looked back. and
⏹️ ▶️ John I’m assuming they want that to happen as well. So maybe the version I’m conjuring in my head
⏹️ ▶️ John that has like the worst possible wraparound screen and like the worst possible haptic buttons is not
⏹️ ▶️ John realistic for Apple, who thus far has not really screwed up a flagship phone, especially
⏹️ ▶️ John not a radical, granted there’s only been a couple of radical redesigns of the phone, I guess, what, the iPhone 4,
⏹️ ▶️ John I mean, there’s been a bunch of ones. There’s the 4, the 6, the bendy 6, then
⏹️ ▶️ John I guess the 10 and I guess 20 would be the next one. They haven’t really screwed it up too badly ever and
⏹️ ▶️ John they usually do a good job. So I should give them the benefit of the doubt. I’m just a little bit nervous about it.
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#askatp: Contact management
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Let’s do some Ask ATP and Tyler Kinde writes, how do you all manage your contacts to use Apple’s contacts app or a different
⏹️ ▶️ Casey one? Do you sync your contacts using iCloud, your email provider, some other service? Do you tend to keep your contacts up to
⏹️ ▶️ Casey date with current addresses, birthdates, etc., or just keep it at the bare minimum? For me, I use
⏹️ ▶️ Casey the contacts app. Well, I only ever access it on the phone via the phone app,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey but on the Mac, I’ll use the contacts app. I store everything in there. I sync via iCloud
⏹️ ▶️ Casey and that seems to work pretty well for me Amongst my friends both
⏹️ ▶️ Casey online and in real life. I am the weirdo that keeps track of any date I can get my hands
⏹️ ▶️ Casey on any address I can get my hands on because you never know when you need it So I will put birthdays in there
⏹️ ▶️ Casey I’ll put anniversaries in there if I know them just because sometimes it’s nice to know that information So you can tell someone
⏹️ ▶️ Casey happy anniversary and they’re like what weirdo. Oh, thanks Anyways, but no,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey I am a pack rat when it comes to many digital things, including contact information and iCloud works
⏹️ ▶️ Casey just fine for me. Let’s go to Marco next, please. Marco, what do you do?
⏹️ ▶️ Marco So, first of all, whenever Casey wishes me a happy anniversary, I never think, what a weirdo.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I always think, damn it, I wish I was as good of a person as Casey.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey very kind of you, but I think I’m dancing right on the line between weirdo and considerate.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey So you all can decide.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco It’s like Casey and Casey is also almost always the first person
⏹️ ▶️ Marco that you see online wishing people happy birthday on that day. That’s because
⏹️ ▶️ Marco, Casey I wake up early. Whether it’s in
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Slack or on, you know, back in the old days it was on Twitter or, you know, now on mass. Like Casey’s
⏹️ ▶️ Marco always right there first thing in the morning, happy birthday so and so.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco So it’s wonderful being in Casey’s world because he wishes everyone happy everything
⏹️ ▶️ Marco and he makes us all wish we were as nice as him. Okay, now, how I manage my contacts. I have been
⏹️ ▶️ Marco using Apple’s contacts app for a very long time. iCloud syncing,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco once it became available, has been fine for me. I think I even used mobile me syncing
⏹️ ▶️ Marco before then, and I think that was fine too. I-
⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John It was not fine.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco For me, I’m saying, I know for a lot of people it was not, but for me, it’s been fine.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I don’t think I’ve ever caught a sync bug with the contacts app. I do, as mentioned a couple of
⏹️ ▶️ Marco afternoons ago, I do wish they would add an archive status on contacts or something similarly equivalent
⏹️ ▶️ Marco so that I wouldn’t need all of the people I have ever known
⏹️ ▶️ Marco to be one accidental tap or search away from accidentally calling in a weird way. I would
⏹️ ▶️ Marco love that concept, but barring that, it’s been fine.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco As for how I keep things current, back when my wife and I used to send out
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Christmas cards, like seasonal Christmas cards every year. Whenever I’d get somebody’s
⏹️ ▶️ Marco new address, I’d put it in their contact card. But we kind of ran out of time and stopped doing that a few years
⏹️ ▶️ Marco ago. And ever since then, I’ve kind of been like, well, I don’t know where anybody lives. Like as long as people didn’t move,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I still have their address. But you know, if you moved in the last year, I don’t know where you live.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco But it’s fine. And birthdays, I try to keep track of the ones that are
⏹️ ▶️ Marco close to me. It’s a very short list. And I don’t need to keep track of that many because Casey does it for me.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey You’re welcome. This is a service I provide. John, what do you got?
⏹️ ▶️ John I use Apple’s contacts. I use iCloud syncing with it. I
⏹️ ▶️ John try to keep it mostly up to date. Birthdays, they’re in,
⏹️ ▶️ John I don’t think I keep a lot of birthdays in there. I don’t know. I’m trying
⏹️ ▶️ John to kind of do demand page birthday stuff when I find out it’s someone’s birthday. I’ve been, in the
⏹️ ▶️ John past several years, I’ve been asking them what year they were born because what I wanted to just know is not just that it’s
⏹️ ▶️ John their birthday, but how old they are. So I don’t wanna just put like March 5th is their birthday, I need a year. So because then
⏹️ ▶️ John if you have that in there, if you had it in your Apple contacts thing, your phone will say it’s blah, blah, blah, it’s
⏹️ ▶️ John 22nd birthday. So you don’t have to do math in your head or whatever, just tells you how old they are. So I’ve been trying
⏹️ ▶️ John to keep the birthday things up to date. I also try to keep the addresses up
⏹️ ▶️ John to date. We still do send out holiday cards. Here’s my
⏹️ ▶️ John request. Marco just talked about archive contacts. I’ve wanted forever and still want the exact same
⏹️ ▶️ John thing I wanted forever in photos, which is shared contacts, like family
⏹️ ▶️ John it’s such a low volume of data compared with photos. It seems like it’s so straightforward. They should just do it.
⏹️ ▶️ John I’m glad that contacts now sync reliably. They didn’t always do that back in the bad old days. But I really,
⏹️ ▶️ John because the problem is my wife, you also use Apple contacts. And she has people’s
⏹️ ▶️ John birthdays and anniversaries and mailing addresses. And so I have some of that, we have almost
⏹️ ▶️ John a huge overlap, like 90% of the same contacts, but they diverge massively.
⏹️ ▶️ John So anytime we wanna look up anything about a person, we have to take a pair of notes. What do you have for this person? What do you have?
⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco Is that the right, is that the
⏹️ ▶️ John current address or is this the current, is that the right phone number? Is that, we have different birthdays? It’s like,
⏹️ ▶️ John that problem could be solved. The second wrinkle I have is, okay, so I use Apple contacts
⏹️ ▶️ John and I try to keep them updated. I also, I also curate a nice collection of photos for people who I frequently message. So I have,
⏹️ ▶️ John they have the photos that I want. I keep those photos in a folder somewhere else because they constantly get overwritten by thing.
⏹️ ▶️ John Anyway, the other thing I really want out of the contacts syncing service,
⏹️ ▶️ John I actually had a note about this. Let me see if I can look it up. Uh, no, I, I guess, I guess the family
⏹️ ▶️ John share thing is the only thing I need to talk about right now. Um, Oh yeah. The, the, the wrinkle
⏹️ ▶️ John on my end is that I don’t use an email client that has access
⏹️ ▶️ John to Apple contacts. So I’ve got this big contacts thing with everyone’s email address in it,
⏹️ ▶️ John but I use the Gmail web interface and it has its own context database
⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey that has no connection
⏹️ ▶️ John to the Apple context database. And you would think this would be a terrible problem, but it
⏹️ ▶️ John is not. It’s just not, I never look things
⏹️ ▶️ John up in Google contacts and I guess I don’t send a lot of outgoing email, or if I do,
⏹️ ▶️ John it’s from like they’ve emailed me recently. Like, it just,
⏹️ ▶️ John I can’t explain it. It seems like it should be an awful problem, but I’ve been doing it for, I don’t know, a decade or
⏹️ ▶️ John like since Gmail has existed. I don’t pay any attention to Gmail contacts. I don’t curate them,
⏹️ ▶️ John I don’t edit them. There’s nothing in them. The only thing that’s in them is the stuff that gets auto-populated by Gmail.
⏹️ ▶️ John So yeah, that’s what I do with contacts. It’s a giant SES pool, a giant auto completing cesspool
⏹️ ▶️ John in Gmail, where I do most of my emailing, but in practice it doesn’t matter. And then my actual contacts
⏹️ ▶️ John database, which I use for everything else and I try to keep nice.
#askatp: Git hosting
⏹️ ▶️ Casey All right, Dimitri Myronenko writes, how do you all handle version control in your apps? For my personal projects, I
⏹️ ▶️ Casey use either public or private GitHub repos. However, if I had an app as a business, uploading my code
⏹️ ▶️ Casey anywhere online feels very insecure, but only having a copy of this source code locally and via Backblaze
⏹️ ▶️ Casey is also an invitation for disaster. Do you run your own Git server offsite? This is the
⏹️ ▶️ Casey sort of thing that I would very much do, and I very much do not. I use GitHub, I use private GitHub repos for anything
⏹️ ▶️ Casey that’s private. Public, in the rare occasion I’m trying to do something out in the wild, but
⏹️ ▶️ Casey that’s fine. There are so many more important things stored on GitHub that if
⏹️ ▶️ Casey somebody really wants my source code that badly, have at it. That’s not an invitation, that’s not a challenge
⏹️ ▶️ Casey for goodness sakes, but you know what I mean. I am such a small fish in such a giant ocean that I’m
⏹️ ▶️ Casey not too worried about it. I like that I have GitHub
⏹️ ▶️ Casey to not only back things up, not only to store things, it’s always available, asterisk, etc.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey I also super duper love the way GitHub issues works and the wiki and stuff like that. I presume if I self-hosted
⏹️ ▶️ Casey a lot of that would come with it. But I like having that taken care of for me. I pay the 50 bucks
⏹️ ▶️ Casey issue year in order to have, and I probably don’t even need to anymore come to think of it because they made
⏹️ ▶️ Casey their free plan a lot more robust a couple of years back. But anyway, I pay about 50 bucks
⏹️ ▶️ Casey a year to GitHub, and it’s been working out great for me so far. Don’t plan to change. Since I started with
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Marco last time, let’s go to John first.
⏹️ ▶️ John I just use GitHub for everything private and public. The great thing about Git is that,
⏹️ ▶️ John you know, everybody who has the repo cloned has all the info in the repo
⏹️ ▶️ John as of the last time they did a poll. So if anything disastrous ever happens with GitHub,
⏹️ ▶️ John you know, I’ve probably got all, I haven’t lost anything. Like I’ve got multiple
⏹️ ▶️ John machines here with the whole repo on them, especially whichever one I just pushed from has the latest stuff in it.
⏹️ ▶️ John And then the other good thing about Git is, It’s just a bunch of boring plain files. So that means all my backups have
⏹️ ▶️ John all those dot Git directories in them that have all the info. So like, I’m not worried about
⏹️ ▶️ John GitHub. I mean, to Casey’s point, it’s a pretty big thing. So it is an attractive target,
⏹️ ▶️ John but I’m not an attractive sub-target within that target. Microsoft’s
⏹️ ▶️ John been doing some kind of crummy stuff with GitHub, but you know, the good thing about Git is you don’t like it. You can
⏹️ ▶️ John move someplace else and have a different origin server. So yeah, just plain old GitHub and Git repos. That’s
⏹️ ▶️ John what I do for all my source stuff. Even when, you know, the default in Xcode, if you start a new Xcode project,
⏹️ ▶️ John I think a little checkbox is checked that says, do you want me to make a local Git repo for you? And I always just leave that checked.
⏹️ ▶️ John Even for like little toy projects that I make locally, I always just use Git locally.
⏹️ ▶️ John And then if I decide, oh, actually this is for a bug reproduction, then I just change the origin to be GitHub
⏹️ ▶️ John and push it up there. I actually used to have a little note because I could never remember the freaking Git commands to do that.
⏹️ ▶️ John But now GitHub, when you make a new repo, GitHub puts those instructions right on the page because they
⏹️ ▶️ John know what’s happening. They’re like, look, we know you’re probably gonna do this. You probably already made the repo on your computer. You’ve probably been
⏹️ ▶️ John doing stuff with it and you probably now want it to be, point to this empty GitHub repo that you just copy and paste
⏹️ ▶️ John these things. It’s very convenient. So that’s it.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Marco. Mine’s all super boring. I host my stuff on GitHub, private and public.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Like Casey, I used to pay for the private plan. I now don’t because they made everything that I paid for
⏹️ ▶️ John Yeah, I use the free plan too.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah, and it’s fine. Like, I’ve never had a problem with GitHub.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I know, you know, relying on something like that is not always perfect and is not, frankly, always my
⏹️ ▶️ Marco style, as many of you know. But in this case, like, self-hosting it would
⏹️ ▶️ Marco be, it’s like hosting your own email. It’s like, yeah, you can, but why?
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Although it’s actually, it’s a lot easier than hosting your
⏹️ ▶️ John Although, like I said, Git is so portable. The whole point of it, it’s decentralized. The whole point of it
⏹️ ▶️ John is that every, you know, Anyone who has, everyone has everything. It’s not like, oh, well, all my history is in GitHub, but
⏹️ ▶️ John I only have my local, no, your local thing has all the history, just the whole point. Like it is the most portable thing
⏹️ ▶️ John you could ever be, right? And there are so many other servers that can
⏹️ ▶️ John be the origin server for your Git repo. We’re just using GitHub now, but if they ever go bad, like
⏹️ ▶️ John we are all so protected by the nature of, the decentralized nature of Git, unless like
⏹️ ▶️ John there’s tons of development going on in the repo that we’re not doing. But as solo developers working on solo projects,
⏹️ ▶️ John Presumably there’s at least one computer locally that has all the history in it because that’s where the last push
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah, also regarding the idea that that hosting your business code would be insecure
⏹️ ▶️ Marco as Long as you’re hosting it somewhere. I would say the odds
⏹️ ▶️ Marco of github being hacked are Probably lower than the
⏹️ ▶️ Marco odds of your server being hacked You know, when it comes to like
⏹️ ▶️ Marco the main stuff like this, the big tech giants have a really
⏹️ ▶️ Marco good track record for security. When was the last time iCloud got hacked or Gmail?
⏹️ ▶️ Marco What about Outlook? Never. Like, you never hear about this.
⏹️ ▶️ John I don’t know. I mean, they could be getting hacked and just not telling us about it.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Well, yeah, but like you by like, you know, hitching yourself to that
⏹️ ▶️ Marco chip, whatever the metaphor is. Yeah, thanks.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco You know, if GitHub is hacked, the world has many bigger problems.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco And then finally, I would also suggest that like, suppose in that nightmare scenario,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco suppose GitHub gets hacked and somebody can read your source code, along with probably everyone
⏹️ ▶️ Marco else’s. First of all, why would they look at yours? Second of all, if they
⏹️ ▶️ Marco do look at your source code, this seems like, this is like the software version of like, oh my God, they’re seeing
⏹️ ▶️ Marco me naked and learning all of my secrets. Like, you would, like that feels like
⏹️ ▶️ Marco a really just nightmare scenario thing. But when I think, like, what would somebody do with
⏹️ ▶️ Marco my code? I mean, first of all, if they wanna fix some bugs for me, that’d be great.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco They can also run their own Linode cluster for $9,000 a month and I’m sure they would do fine.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco But ultimately, what are they gonna do? My app is
⏹️ ▶️ Marco mine because of the customers, the brand reputation, the app store listings,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco all these other assets that wouldn’t be able to be stolen so easily
⏹️ ▶️ Marco if you just had a copy of the source code. You could upload your own, you could take my
⏹️ ▶️ Marco app code and make a clone and upload it to the app store, but you’d need to write the whole back end, or host
⏹️ ▶️ Marco the whole backend, which is a separate repos. If you only have one, you might not have the other, but whatever, host the backend.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco And then again, the level of complexity it would take to actually do something with that
⏹️ ▶️ Marco would be a lot. I don’t think the value of losing
⏹️ ▶️ Marco your source code in some kind of leak or hack is as high as most people think. And you can verify
⏹️ ▶️ Marco that by looking at situations where occasionally some high profile source code has
⏹️ ▶️ Marco been leaked or has been stolen or somehow exfiltrated from its company. What has
⏹️ ▶️ Marco happened? Not much. You know, if you’re a big enough company, if you’re doing like, you know, operating
⏹️ ▶️ Marco systems, you know, if the source code to Windows or Mac OS leaks, which I think for Windows, I think
⏹️ ▶️ Marco it did. Didn’t a somewhat modern version of Windows have a source code leak about 5
⏹️ ▶️ Marco or 10 years ago? I think so. Anyway, so there’s like security risks of like
⏹️ ▶️ Marco maybe somebody by seeing your source code, Maybe they could find a vulnerability that they can exploit.
⏹️ ▶️ John But keep in mind that the core OS for iOS and Mac OS and all of Apple’s OS is actually open source.
⏹️ ▶️ John And there’s, if you want to find a security flaw in the kernel code, the kernel code is open source. So
⏹️ ▶️ Marco have at it. Right. And so like, I think the, the actual like risk
⏹️ ▶️ Marco profile of having someone else look at your code is way lower than most
⏹️ ▶️ Marco developers think. and the actual risk of something like GitHub
⏹️ ▶️ Marco being hacked and allowing access to your code that you didn’t authorize,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco that is also very unlikely. And the odds of you getting
⏹️ ▶️ Marco hacked yourself, either your computer getting hacked and the data, the local copy
⏹️ ▶️ Marco of your source code on your computer somehow being stolen, or however you would host it on whatever server
⏹️ ▶️ Marco you would put it on, I think the odds are much higher of a loss that way than
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⏹️ ▶️ John instructions, the URL, the code, everything. It’s pretty straightforward system. It’s a great gift. It’s a
⏹️ ▶️ John last minute gift that you can deliver it instantly. And I think
⏹️ ▶️ John there is probably a nerd in your life that might like it. And if you are now, here’s the problem with this. Who are you talking to?
⏹️ ▶️ John Someone who’s going to give this to me as a gift. They’re not listening to the show. I’m listening to the show and I want it as a gift. Well,
⏹️ ▶️ John on the store page, if you log in to adb.fm, or you go to adb.fm slash gift, or adb.fm slash
⏹️ ▶️ John store, if you are logged in, both of those places will say, hey, do you want someone to buy
⏹️ ▶️ John you a gift membership? Give them this URL, and you just give that URL to somebody and say, click
⏹️ ▶️ John on this and buy it for me. That will pre-fill the form with your information and get it sent to you, so
⏹️ ▶️ John yeah. The people who are going to buy a gift membership probably aren’t listening to the show. The people who want a gift membership
⏹️ ▶️ John probably are listening, so that is a thing you can do as well. But either way, if you just tell them, Hey, I want an ATP
⏹️ ▶️ John membership, go to ATP that FM slash gift and get it for me. They’ll figure it out. It works fine.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Excellent. And remember, you get the bootleg or they the gift recipient gets the bootleg member
⏹️ ▶️ Casey specials, add free feed. If they hang on to the membership long enough,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey discounts on our time limited merch, the whole rigmarole all sorts of fun stuff. So, atp.fm.gift.
John’s Tahoe bug
⏹️ ▶️ Casey John, you have a problem, is my understanding. Tell me about this.
⏹️ ▶️ John Yet another reason I’m not upgrading to iOS. Still, it’s like, what are we on? We’re on 26.2 with 26.3 in beta.
⏹️ ▶️ John The first real strike against me in app development was the Xcode 26.1
⏹️ ▶️ John that broke my ability to have new icons in the new OS and old icons in the old OS, which really annoyed
⏹️ ▶️ John me as if I didn’t need more annoyance related to icons and this thing. And now the new annoyance, I got
⏹️ ▶️ John a bug report that said, hey, the new glass appearance, and you know, Tahoe,
⏹️ ▶️ John you know, liquid glass appearance for my app switcher palette in switch glass, which was essentially the
⏹️ ▶️ John main Tahoe feature was like, hey, there’s this new glass thing. I should use that as one of the options. You already had like six options
⏹️ ▶️ John of how you wanted to look. One of them, actually three of them are glass. There’s regular glass, clear glass
⏹️ ▶️ John and tinted glass, all of which are appearances. And they’re like, hey, it doesn’t work right anymore.
⏹️ ▶️ John Things don’t show behind it. if you move a window behind it, you can’t see through the glass. I’m like, what are you talking
⏹️ ▶️ John about? Of course you can. That’s exactly how glass works. You put stuff behind it and it does a little warping effect or whatever, but
⏹️ ▶️ John sure enough, I fired it up on 26.2 and it didn’t work. And so there I go,
⏹️ ▶️ John new sample project in Xcode, made a reproduction. And like I
⏹️ ▶️ John was making the bug report because you just make a window, you put glass appearance on it and then you put like
⏹️ ▶️ John a yellow sticky note behind it. It’s like, nope, can’t see the sticky note through it. And I’m like, well,
⏹️ ▶️ John here was the complication. Has this never worked? And I’m just forgetting. Like what?
⏹️ ▶️ John I start to feel like I’m just, what’s going on here? Like I could swear this worked fine.
⏹️ ▶️ John Unfortunately, by that point, I no longer had any machines that were running 26.1. I just had 26.2 and then
⏹️ ▶️ John like 26.3 beta, but I didn’t have 26.1 anymore. The
⏹️ ▶️ John majority of the time it took me to report this bug was figuring out how the hell to get 26.1
⏹️ ▶️ John back on one of these Macs. I hate the install process for like installing an old
⏹️ ▶️ John version of Mac OS and external drive so much on modern Mac. I understand why it’s there. I understand the secure
⏹️ ▶️ John boot blah blah blah, but getting the full installer, which Apple does not make easy
⏹️ ▶️ John and then getting that installed and having a play. No, you can’t install on that disk and this disk is not signed
⏹️ ▶️ John in with an account and it’s owned by the blah blah blah. Oh, I hate it so much. It used to be so much easier. Speaking
⏹️ ▶️ John of things that were easier back when there was less security. Anyway, eventually I did it. I got 26.1
⏹️ ▶️ John back on the thing and sure enough, worked fine back then, worked in 26.0, worked in 26.1, 26.2 totally.
⏹️ ▶️ John And this is not like a minor feature, this is on macOS. The glass
⏹️ ▶️ John appearance does not glass. Like, and maybe
⏹️ ▶️ John it’s like, okay, well, a glass is fine within a window, but if you think of something like the
⏹️ ▶️ John dock or switch glass, it’s kind of like just like a floating window with a glass background. So like,
⏹️ ▶️ John if you drag a window behind the dock, you see it through the dock, it’s glass, right? My thing
⏹️ ▶️ John used to be the same thing and they totally broke that in 26.2 and I believe also in 26.3 beta.
⏹️ ▶️ John Just a hundred percent broken. Like you put a window behind it and you don’t see the thing behind it,
⏹️ ▶️ John maddening. So anyway, I’m making the bug report and I’m like, okay,
⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco but now that
⏹️ ▶️ John I’ve got a machine that runs 26.1 and then one that’s running 26.2, now I can take screenshots
⏹️ ▶️ John of one and the other and say, this is how it used to look, this is how it looks now, this is a regression, you broke it.
⏹️ ▶️ John And I was taking the screenshots, and I’m like dragging them into like the feedback app or whatever, and I’m like, I’m trying to, I’m
⏹️ ▶️ John using the space bar to quick look to say, okay, was this the one before or after the breakage? And I’m looking at the screenshots,
⏹️ ▶️ John and it looks right in all the screenshots. Cool. What? What the hell?
⏹️ ▶️ John I’m like, maybe I just took it wrong, so I go back to the machine and take another screenshot. No, what? So
⏹️ ▶️ John this is one of those things where the screenshot, when you take a screenshot, everything renders correctly.
⏹️ ▶️ John but on the actual screen, it doesn’t. So I took a video with my phone
⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey the screen. Like an animal.
⏹️ ▶️ John I posted it to MasterDone, I’m like, look, I swear to you, this is broken. Here,
⏹️ ▶️ John I just put my phone on a tripod in front of my laptop screen and hit record, and I
⏹️ ▶️ John said, it’s broken. Look, it’s totally broken. The worst part is that
⏹️ ▶️ John if the window appears or the glass appearance turns on or whatever, when there’s a thing behind
⏹️ ▶️ John it, Like, so let’s say you put the yellow sticky note behind the thing and then like, you know, put a little glass window
⏹️ ▶️ John appears in front of it. Then the yellow thing shows through, like the yellow sticky note shows through like all fuzzy
⏹️ ▶️ John and glass and distorted. But then if you drag the sticky note out from underneath it,
⏹️ ▶️ John the part of it that appeared behind it, it gets stuck there. Like it’s like a pre-rendered background. Like it sticks
⏹️ ▶️ John there. Someone sent me a, I think it’s in the same as I said, a screenshot, no, it was in a Slack channel.
⏹️ ▶️ John Like the thing that comes up that says like, Do you sure you wanna restart your computer? That’s like a glassy,
⏹️ ▶️ John you know, that little dialogue that comes up. That’s a glassy thing too. If that comes up over a background window and
⏹️ ▶️ John then you move the background window out of the way, the little residue of that background window stays there. Like, so it’s
⏹️ ▶️ John super broken across the whole OS. Not just like, not just in AppKit apps, not just in my
⏹️ ▶️ John app, you know, it works in the dock, but like system dialogues will
⏹️ ▶️ John retain a burned in copy of the windows that were behind them after you drag the windows out.
⏹️ ▶️ John This is not giving me lots of confidence in Tahoe. Again, this is 26.2 this broken. This is not a 0.0 thing.
⏹️ ▶️ John So Apple continues to annoy me and the quality control
⏹️ ▶️ John of this release seems not great.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I hate to say I told everyone so, but I’m not kind of repeating myself a lot here, but like
⏹️ ▶️ Marco when you do a giant system redesign, you basically have a year in beta. This entire
⏹️ ▶️ Marco cycle, 26 series OS’s are all gonna be like a little bit
⏹️ ▶️ Marco beta probably for most or all of the entire year Just because it’s a huge undertaking. This is
⏹️ ▶️ Marco part of why it’s something that’s not, you know to be undertaken lightly it’s a huge
⏹️ ▶️ Marco undertaking and There’s just a lot that changes and a lot that needs to
⏹️ ▶️ Marco be tweaked and fixed and redesigned and adjusted and there’s not enough time
⏹️ ▶️ Marco in the regular summer beta cycle that Apple enforces there’s not enough time in that to do
⏹️ ▶️ Marco a whole redesign with a high level of software quality. They just, and you know,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco rather than change their schedule, which they’re not gonna do, this is what we have to deal with. It’s a year
⏹️ ▶️ Casey To be honest, I’m running Tahoe on my computer and it’s fine. Like
⏹️ ▶️ Casey I, not to say that you guys are wrong or anything like that, but in my experience, it’s been fine.
⏹️ ▶️ John Next time a dialogue comes up, one of those glassy translucent dialogues, and it comes up over a window, move the window
⏹️ ▶️ John out from behind it and watch how a piece of it stays stuck to the dialogue and tell me how fine it is.
⏹️ ▶️ John Wow. How does that happen in the 0.2 release? How? How?
⏹️ ▶️ Marco doing? Because they were fixing bigger bugs in the other