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496: One of My Lesser TiVos

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  1. COVID strikes again
  2. Follow-up: Surfboards & lifeguards
  3. More on Channels & TiVo
  4. Sponsor: Kolide
  5. TV audio sync 🖼️
  6. Sponsor: Linode
  7. Ventura’s System Settings app
  8. Sponsor: Squarespace (code ATP)
  9. Filing Apple bug reports
  10. #askatp: DNS for local devices
  11. #askatp: Advice for new parents
  12. #askatp: Work vs. family time
  13. Ending theme
  14. Neutral: John rents a car 🖼️

COVID strikes again

⏹️ ▶️ well i sound like this now that’s the thing got co of it again

⏹️ ▶️ yeah that’s fun you know and i thought i had managed to escape it

⏹️ ▶️ so the rest of my family got it a few weeks ago i’m like super boosted i’ve had

⏹️ ▶️ four vaccinations total the last one was in may so pretty recent

⏹️ ▶️ but of course you know the the new variants are not as well protected by printed by

⏹️ ▶️ the vaccines as the as the original variants were so anyway my whole

⏹️ ▶️ family got it and i thought i had escaped like as soon as they as soon as they got it

⏹️ ▶️ we all started looking staying far apart from each other we would like eat you know and our house here is

⏹️ ▶️ very breezy and so we keep all the windows open eat all the meals outside with like opposite ends of the

⏹️ ▶️ long table like doctor evil’s lair you know like super super low and like we you

⏹️ ▶️ know we were sleeping in separate rooms like everything just just to hope that you know like like adam

⏹️ ▶️ had it for like an hour i’ve had it for like you know three or four days and i was were

⏹️ ▶️ like all right maybe i think i dodged it and sure enough i did dodge it from them

⏹️ ▶️ if you look at the timing there’s pretty much no way i got it from that but whatever

⏹️ ▶️ it’s it’s going around the island and there were a lot of like big community events all

⏹️ ▶️ of which were outdoors in the last weekend but you know at some point i got unlucky

⏹️ ▶️ and here we are so i dodged it when it was in my house but was not able

⏹️ ▶️ to dodge it for the following weeks afterwards i blame the test drives

⏹️ ▶️ even that was too long ago it’s like a three day induration how long ago the test drives no

⏹️ ▶️ it would have had to be this past weekend you know over the last couple of days i had a bit of a scratchy throat and i

⏹️ ▶️ thought oh no but i had no other symptoms it is there’s like a lot of flowers

⏹️ ▶️ you know blowing around outside but i thought maybe maybe it’s allergies and

⏹️ ▶️ i kept taking tests every morning because i was scared i might have it and negative negative

⏹️ ▶️ negative though great okay well hey this is weird but oh well let’s

⏹️ ▶️ let’s keep hoping that it’s just allergies in a weird august timeline which never happens

⏹️ ▶️ but okay you know denial is very powerful and so

⏹️ ▶️ sure enough this morning i take one more test on my throat still scratchy and my voice is going

⏹️ ▶️ and it turned positive so i would say i reiterate

⏹️ ▶️ my statement that if anybody out there is getting a weird sniffy cold this summer

⏹️ ▶️ you know summer is not typically cold season and if you have a weird sniffy

⏹️ ▶️ cold this summer or a scratchy throat you know odds are it’s probably this even

⏹️ ▶️ if you test negative once or twice like it’s probably this so we’ll all

⏹️ ▶️ see whether or not the what does it speak or say what’s the command line thing you have the computer

⏹️ ▶️ talk we’ll see if we end up going back to that like we did a few years a few years ago hopefully not but we shall see

⏹️ ▶️ but if the episode is a little bit shorter it’s because we have sympathy for marco’s destroyed

⏹️ ▶️ vocal cords and that that would be why i mean you guys could just talk about like you know tv v s and

⏹️ ▶️ and you know sonal gies and stuff and i don’t have much to say there the boiler we’re were getting there

⏹️ ▶️ we’re getting there

Follow-up: Surfboards & lifeguards

⏹️ ▶️ hey john where do you boogie board and surf and what not if you’re down

⏹️ ▶️ under instead it’s kind of weird that uh you know we mentioned the stuff about the lifeguards

⏹️ ▶️ and their flags they put on the beach and where you’re allow to sim and were you allowed to use buggy boards in the context

⏹️ ▶️ of my long island vacation and like ninety something percent of the feedback

⏹️ ▶️ was from australian i don’t know why i made the beaches everywhere we don’t

⏹️ ▶️ have a particularly big listenership in australia but everybody from australia wanted us

⏹️ ▶️ to know how it works down there so here is ross poulton with one bit of follow up on that

⏹️ ▶️ he says i used to be a lifeguard in australia boards are not permitted quote unquote between

⏹️ ▶️ the flags and the safe swimming area as they are often dangerous to other swimmers you wouldn’t believe how many people

⏹️ ▶️ lose control of them so that was the predominant a suggestion from the australians is

⏹️ ▶️ basically people get with ports right so you don’t let surfers be where the swimmers are you don’t let boogie bars be where

⏹️ ▶️ the swimmers are because both of those things can’t bunk people on the head and that’s dangerous

⏹️ ▶️ some of the australians said that boogie boards are allowed like if you just use them like little

⏹️ ▶️ kids in the surf you know and the little just after the waves are crash just little kids tooling around on the long island it’s

⏹️ ▶️ no boogie boards anywhere period they don’t have this nuance of like oh it’s okay if you’re just in the in the edge of the surf

⏹️ ▶️ but not bad when you’re out farther i mean long islanders are not known for their appreciation of nuance

⏹️ ▶️ they’re very blunt people lifeguards without be making a judgment call like is that boogie board

⏹️ ▶️ too far out or too far and it would just be constant whistling and yelling at people to bring their boogie boards in so it some makes

⏹️ ▶️ some sense um the other thing is the austrians were telling us that the flag placement what they would do is they

⏹️ ▶️ would the lifeguards in australia would put the flags where the safest area to swim was even this fall

⏹️ ▶️ as the swim safe swimming area and you know like the lifeguards

⏹️ ▶️ would understand the various rip currents and everything and know like today this is the safe place to swim in today

⏹️ ▶️ this is right now this is the safe place to swim in my experience on long island both in my childhood

⏹️ ▶️ and in my adult life going on vacation um that’s not mostly not

⏹️ ▶️ how it works on long sand beaches i go to the flags are basically placed like where you know the

⏹️ ▶️ entrance to the beach the flags are centered on the entrance to the beach they will close

⏹️ ▶️ it and say you can’t swim if there’s a riptide or you know or i’ll advise against you depending on the

⏹️ ▶️ conditions they you know so the lifeguards are performing that function but it’s not as if they will take the flags and

⏹️ ▶️ move three hundred yards move the flags three hundred yards down the beach because of the rip card no they won’t because

⏹️ ▶️ the lifeguard chairs they again they could pick up and move them but in practice they don’t because there’s the big pile

⏹️ ▶️ of sand in front of them that they would have to re dig and they don’t want to carry the things it’s different on different

⏹️ ▶️ beaches like some some beaches have multiple fields they have their own solar parking lots their own sets of chairs

⏹️ ▶️ and i think this that’s probably different but for the smaller south beaches that i’m going to

⏹️ ▶️ on the east end of long island they don’t move the flags they just close and and

⏹️ ▶️ and keep it open i’m not sure the way it is on where you are market do they ever move the flags or do they just

⏹️ ▶️ the flags are just fixed and it’s yes now you can go in the water they move the flags daily

⏹️ ▶️ but they always are the same center point so the width of the space

⏹️ ▶️ between the flags changes with conditions so if it’s a you know green flag day where the water is

⏹️ ▶️ calm they will they’ll have him pretty far spaced out if it’s you know yellow or red flag day they’ll move

⏹️ ▶️ them they’ll scoot them in and make a narrower area so i think it’s less about where in

⏹️ ▶️ particular the riptide might be if they if they can tell that somehow and more about just how

⏹️ ▶️ wide of an area do we want to be covering and in it’s based on conditions it’s based on staffing

⏹️ ▶️ as well so there’s usually multiple lifeguard stands but sometimes they don’t have the staff for all them so

⏹️ ▶️ the ones that aren’t occupied will be pushed over or just unoccupied and they will narrow the flags based

⏹️ ▶️ on staffing because they don’t have enough lifeguards to populate all the little lifeguard chairs they can’t watch

⏹️ ▶️ those parts since they will definitely move the flags in and out like that but they’ll never do like oh there’s the rip

⏹️ ▶️ current over here we’re going to go half a mile down the beach where there’s no rip current i’ve never seen that done at least

⏹️ ▶️ on the the smaller beaches that i’m going to so there you go all you want to know about beaches and boogie

⏹️ ▶️ boards and rip currents and flags

More on Channels & TiVo

⏹️ ▶️ so the fall i’ve been waiting for is have you tried channels and it is this the

⏹️ ▶️ moment in which you tell me how right i am well so i listen back to last week’s

⏹️ ▶️ episode and it’s still not entirely clear to me what your pitch is so could you just briefly

⏹️ ▶️ re summarize what your pitch to me is on the so i

⏹️ ▶️ think if you are looking to get rid of your tivo which i know you’re actually not but in this

⏹️ ▶️ hypothetical world which i know is your favorite thing if you’re looking to get rid of the tivo i would argue

⏹️ ▶️ that channels is a maybe not i was going to say better that’s probably a bit dramatic or a bit over the top

⏹️ ▶️ given how much i know you’re obsessed with your tivo but it is quote unquote a better tivo

⏹️ ▶️ than tivo in so far as you can have it can have effectively infinite storage because you can just

⏹️ ▶️ you know have it store things onto your synology it’s very responsive because it’s running on a you know proper

⏹️ ▶️ computer hypothetically unless you put it on something really underpowered and you can watch your stuff

⏹️ ▶️ anywhere now maybe that’s true of tivo i’m not sure but certainly it’s true of channels that you can be somewhere else and

⏹️ ▶️ you can watch live tv you can watch your recordings whatever whatever you want to do and what’s nice about channels

⏹️ ▶️ is it’s really you are better set up for channels even than i am because i don’t have a cable

⏹️ ▶️ card in the house you do connect it to your tivo and i know that it would be a big ask to take your beloved

⏹️ ▶️ tivo and make it and neuter it for a little while but it is possible for you to

⏹️ ▶️ just get a new box which is still being produced whether or not just because they foun ships

⏹️ ▶️ who knows there is there are boxes still being made here at least still available for sale and you could take you could buy on

⏹️ ▶️ of those hundred fifty dollar boxes you could stick it on your network put your cable card in it connect it to coax

⏹️ ▶️ and you can have what is arguably the best possible setup for channels which is to say you’re

⏹️ ▶️ pulling in almost every fios tv channel that you have access to i think some of them are dear em encumbered

⏹️ ▶️ and channels can’t get to them but almost all of them are not so you can pull in all of your fios

⏹️ ▶️ tv and you can pull in i think you can pull in holo i i know you can pull in tv everywhere

⏹️ ▶️ which among other things you two t v supports file supports it as well and you can get all these things

⏹️ ▶️ you can aggregate them onto one spot plus if you want to if you have a robust t v library you can do fun things

⏹️ ▶️ like make a you know twenty four seven letter keddy channel or a twenty four seven at hopes to do ghibli channel

⏹️ ▶️ or whatever the case you might want and so on way sorry i’ve never seen

⏹️ ▶️ any of them so what what do i know so anyways i watched the first fifteen minutes of all of them

⏹️ ▶️ all right merlin you know that give me ideas here no spoilers i know i know we are i know we are

⏹️ ▶️ um so anyway so i think it could fit

⏹️ ▶️ your needs pretty well and the only downside to it as compared to tivo is that

⏹️ ▶️ it like tivo is largely reliant on a dead technology in order

⏹️ ▶️ to work in so far as it relies on cable card now we could get into an argument whether or not the cable card box

⏹️ ▶️ the hd home run thing was a homerun prime we can make an argument or get into

⏹️ ▶️ an argument whether or not the hd homerun has any shelf life or longevity but we

⏹️ ▶️ can all agree that cable car does not so there will come a time that cable cards is not supported but that’ll kill

⏹️ ▶️ your tivo just as much as it’ll kill channels so i just think it was it’s one of those things where i feel

⏹️ ▶️ like it’s really something i would like you to try especially because the guide and these are interfaces really

⏹️ ▶️ really well done and what’s nice about channels is it does pretty well in ways that swift aim to but

⏹️ ▶️ does not with progressive disclosure so it can be fairly straightforward it’s still fiddly you know for sure

⏹️ ▶️ it’s a lot more fiddly than at ivo but at first glance it can be fairly straightforward and

⏹️ ▶️ then as you wish you can dig deeper deeper deeper deeper deeper and and just tweak it

⏹️ ▶️ to your heart’s content now that you may not have interest in that which is totally fine but that’s something you could do so i don’t guess

⏹️ ▶️ it feels like something i want you to try and if you told me hey you know i gave it an honest shake and it’s not for me that’s

⏹️ ▶️ fine like marco did with the wrangler like that’s fine but i feel like it’s something you should give it at

⏹️ ▶️ least give it a shot but you are much more emphatic last week that you want that you needed me to get rid

⏹️ ▶️ of my tivo s because they were bad it’s not just hypothetically if you were getting rid of your tivo it was more like

⏹️ ▶️ you have to get rid of your tivo for your bad because they’re bad well because they’re dead they’re dead technology

⏹️ ▶️ walking they are absolutely dead technology walking i can’t believe anything works in those tvos and are

⏹️ ▶️ aren’t they more dead are they more dead than the hd homerun prime that they just found their chips

⏹️ ▶️ for and that’s a that’s a fair question and i feel like they are that’s what i kept

⏹️ ▶️ saying last because you can buy a brand new tivo right now they sell multiple models

⏹️ ▶️ i personally think that they are more dead because i just don’t see how tito’s got

⏹️ ▶️ any has any longevity i really don’t whereas you’ll always find nerds that are

⏹️ ▶️ interested in doing nerdy things which i guess maybe that applies to tivo too now that i say that not loud but i don’t know

⏹️ ▶️ i just i personally think that it is silly for you to continue to harp on tivo as the one true

⏹️ ▶️ savior of television when i think there are other options that may work better but i’ll be

⏹️ ▶️ the first to tell you there are some caveats so as an example one of the caveats to channels is that tv everywhere

⏹️ ▶️ which is what channels used uses kind of scrape is the right word record i guess

⏹️ ▶️ but to get access to traditional terrestrial television that is limited

⏹️ ▶️ at seven twenty p and that’s not channel so it i thought is it not i thought

⏹️ ▶️ well it is not it’s not lead to something all right so let me let me tell you some but let’s

⏹️ ▶️ let me start by saying that your pitches remains unconvincing because i already own devos and i’m

⏹️ ▶️ not looking to get rid of them well that’s a and but i think you’re also losing sight of it i realized i didn’t

⏹️ ▶️ like you’d have to remind two episodes of figures out like what is my goal in messing with stuff like why am i

⏹️ ▶️ even looking to this do you remember the origin of like why i’m looking at this stuff at all it’s

⏹️ ▶️ because i got a fancy new tv and my fancy tv is for k and h d r that’s why i started down the

⏹️ ▶️ road of saying let me reconsider all the things that are giving input to my television to make sure am i am getting the

⏹️ ▶️ highest quality because you know now my television can display better so now when i do see you know standard

⏹️ ▶️ definition ten eighty which used to be the limit of my previous television now i feel like oh i if i can

⏹️ ▶️ get that content better in a better format and fork and hdr and both

⏹️ ▶️ ah that would be good right and television is a big source of a lot of the stuff that i get so that’s what i was looking

⏹️ ▶️ at for example youtube tv because people had told me before i got my due television that hey youtube tv

⏹️ ▶️ has some like regular channels that are in force reached r both so check that out

⏹️ ▶️ and that’s why i looked into that and the guide was crappy and i was like oh this is bad and that’s kind of how we got to the channels

⏹️ ▶️ because the people said oh well yeah the youtube tv interface and apps aren’t great but

⏹️ ▶️ if you use channels you can use the channels you way to get youtube tv um and you

⏹️ ▶️ know as you described to ever interface that’s why i start going to the channels right but

⏹️ ▶️ everything you just said about channels is that i like what i said last week it’s like tivo but instead

⏹️ ▶️ of it being an all one box it’s distributed into pieces and that is that’s more fiddly

⏹️ ▶️ but it’s also more flexible because then you can decide for this piece i’m going to use this for that piece i’m going to use that

⏹️ ▶️ it’s you know it’s components right um and to ask you a question about you know watching tv tivo stuff

⏹️ ▶️ elsewhere yes you can you can watch tivo stuff and is that they’ve had their future for years right so that’s not

⏹️ ▶️ you know so channels is really just a different tivo with a different set of trade offs

⏹️ ▶️ it doesn’t unfortunately help me at all with my question of how do

⏹️ ▶️ i get better content into my television because although tv everywhere isn’t limited to seven twenty

⏹️ ▶️ ah you’re still limited by what kind of content will be on tv

⏹️ ▶️ everywhere for your particular chanel let me tell you what i’ve done in this regard since last

⏹️ ▶️ week so first off anonymous listener ben no last name or bill listener

⏹️ ▶️ ben last name withheld sent me an hd homerun prime oh man

⏹️ ▶️ good for bed great so that and that arrived pretty quickly and by the way speaking of dead technologies

⏹️ ▶️ and tivo feeling old or whatever the h d homan prime as a product is

⏹️ ▶️ two years older than my oldest tivo and yes

⏹️ ▶️ they are still making and selling them because they found chips but they cancelled the six tuner when there was supposed to be a six

⏹️ ▶️ tuner h d homer on prime the h g homer on prime six and they cancelled that project back in like twenty twenty

⏹️ ▶️ or whenever the f c c said yeah cable cards not going to be a thing anymore so

⏹️ ▶️ this whole product line seems super debt because they had planned to make a six tuner one which i would

⏹️ ▶️ probably buy by the way they just canceled that whole thing they say they are going to make

⏹️ ▶️ another cable card product but i can’t find anything concrete on that so and they were stopped making the h d

⏹️ ▶️ homer and prime for a long time and then they found your chips under making them again but either way this is not relevant to me because i got

⏹️ ▶️ one the listener sent it to me thank you very much listener ben very nice of you right

⏹️ ▶️ ah so i took a cable card out of my one of my lesser tvos and

⏹️ ▶️ i shoved it into the hd homer and frame and hooked it up so here is where i learned

⏹️ ▶️ the the limits of you know the stuff based on what i am trying to do and began to reiterate what

⏹️ ▶️ i’m trying to do is to get better quality versions of like the television

⏹️ ▶️ shows that i pay for right so files is good files especially in massachusetts

⏹️ ▶️ is good and that they don’t flip whatever bit that you flip to make it so like the channels

⏹️ ▶️ are dear unprotected they don’t flip that anywhere except on the channels that force them to do it

⏹️ ▶️ so i think it’s only like h b o maybe one or two other ones that force pios

⏹️ ▶️ to set you have to put on the deer ambit when you put that bit on it means

⏹️ ▶️ that channels can’t get those channels through the hd homerun prime right

⏹️ ▶️ they just like it doesn’t even see them right my tivo can get them so another notch in the column for tivo right

⏹️ ▶️ now that’s totally fair right but if there’s just like one channel who cares and i have h b o screaming so that would not stop

⏹️ ▶️ me but just for lots of other cable riders don’t aren’t as nice as verizon they they like checking on every

⏹️ ▶️ single channel and it makes the thing useless which is really crappy um but then the next limitation is

⏹️ ▶️ when pio sends the its television channels to my house regard forget about

⏹️ ▶️ the equipment in my house just as they come into my house even if you had like the fios first party equipment if you have

⏹️ ▶️ a cable card if you have any other stuff almost all the channels are not four k

⏹️ ▶️ fios and messages has like four or five four k channels and they’re

⏹️ ▶️ just like holding bin channels where there’s nothing on them except when there’s special events

⏹️ ▶️ so for example apparently the olymp the olympics to pass whatever one or two times they would put

⏹️ ▶️ four k versions of the olympics into one or two of those channels there’s

⏹️ ▶️ one for like red sox games or other you know sports events special events but most of the day if you go to those channels

⏹️ ▶️ there’s nothing on them except for like a standby or off air or just like you know a static graphic

⏹️ ▶️ that’s the extent of force content as traditional television

⏹️ ▶️ channels coming into your house from pios there is apparently

⏹️ ▶️ a fios tv streaming thing that you can do where there’s like a fios tv app for apple tv

⏹️ ▶️ and it’s just like you know we’ll use the internet to get you the television that you pay for but you

⏹️ ▶️ know take cable companies or whatever typically being annoying i can’t even use that app unless

⏹️ ▶️ i have in my home some of their first party cable box things and also use their

⏹️ ▶️ stupid first party router thing so i’m never doing that because i don’t allow any cable company

⏹️ ▶️ equipment on my ass if i can help it except for the cable cards right now the cable cards the other

⏹️ ▶️ channels that are not for some of them are ten eighty most of them are not but some of them are i was going through

⏹️ ▶️ the channels and using the little invo thing on channels to see and you will find ten eighty one but that’s

⏹️ ▶️ like that’s exactly the same that is on my tivo if i go through the thing

⏹️ ▶️ channel is more flexible in this manner a tivo i think i will just run at

⏹️ ▶️ whatever resolution that you set it to and then it just upscale everything channels

⏹️ ▶️ you can set it to like match content which is kind of annoying because then it like blacks out the tv when it

⏹️ ▶️ goes between channels but you can go between the ten eighty channel and a seven twenty channel and it’ll like change modes

⏹️ ▶️ and everything um so anyway there are ten eighty channels there are seven twenty channels

⏹️ ▶️ ah but you’re not getting any increase in quality all you’re doing with channels is

⏹️ ▶️ the same thing you could do on tivo minus to the and predicted channels but with the addition

⏹️ ▶️ of the ability to match content which i don’t think you would ever do especially am i set up the delay of like

⏹️ ▶️ you know switching modes from like seven twenty ten its not worth it it’s better to just keep it in especially

⏹️ ▶️ for live tv maybe for recorded things it’s fine and channels lets you change that in like a per source basis

⏹️ ▶️ missus convenient in terms of the channels set up i’m i’m running

⏹️ ▶️ it on my wife’s computer which she strongly objected to in fact just a moment before we started recording she told me

⏹️ ▶️ to reiterate to you in particular cases that she does not want this run on her computer the only reason

⏹️ ▶️ i was allowed to do it is because you know it’s for the show i told her it was temporary

⏹️ ▶️ but it is plex still running on that computer it is but as i said on the last show this isn’t there is

⏹️ ▶️ no contradiction in this it is exactly the explanation i gave which is nobody cares about plex if flexes down nobody

⏹️ ▶️ cares i am the only person who uses it and i can manage you know dealing with the thing being up or

⏹️ ▶️ down it is not an essential part that’s a different issue that what is her gripe with channels

⏹️ ▶️ she doesn’t want things running on her computer that affect her television is exactly what i said last week she like it doesn’t

⏹️ ▶️ you know my ideal matches her ideal which is things related to watching television should

⏹️ ▶️ have no connection to the computers that are in office they can have connection to things that are in the basement

⏹️ ▶️ that no one ever touches but not to the stuff that’s in their office i mean if that’s the way she feels

⏹️ ▶️ who am i to tell her that she’s wrong but she’s wrong like i don’t understand what

⏹️ ▶️ difference it makes where within the house this device this mythical device is connected to the net like

⏹️ ▶️ she wants the flexibility to be able to restore her to her computer or do anything with it put her to sleep or shut it down

⏹️ ▶️ or whatever without worrying that she’s messing up something really to television in particular doing things like uh you know if

⏹️ ▶️ using this a d vr maybe this recording shows while you sleep you know like it just it’s something it’s

⏹️ ▶️ not no she doesn’t want that entanglement i don’t blame her i don’t want that entanglement either so even if it wasn’t her opinion it would

⏹️ ▶️ also be my opinion so we are unified as a family in this and there is no contradiction in plex running on it because like

⏹️ ▶️ i said if you really are desperate to run plex it’s also on conolly and that’s always up because it’s in the basement

⏹️ ▶️ i mean i guess again i can’t as much as i joke i can’t tell you that neither

⏹️ ▶️ of you are wrong but that that whole line of reasoning does not compute to me because anyway like

⏹️ ▶️ the point is channels can run almost anywhere like it’s very flexible like the whole point of this being flexible is i could run it

⏹️ ▶️ on my synology i could buy a little computer to run it if i was serious about the setup i would in fact get another little computer to

⏹️ ▶️ run it’s not difficult it it’s not a dig against channels channels is very flexible most regard in fact that’s the reason

⏹️ ▶️ you’d want to use channels because of its flexibility so when but anyway i’m just doing this temporarily

⏹️ ▶️ the same thing with with the with the cable card that’s going back into the tivo now i got i got her permission to take it out

⏹️ ▶️ of her tivo um and when i took it out like what i was trying to do is like okay i need

⏹️ ▶️ to i need to exercise it to get it to do things so what i did was i looked at her season pass list

⏹️ ▶️ on her two that i was taking out of so let me try to reproduce these season passes in channels

⏹️ ▶️ just a build up shows and b just to see what the experience is like channels copies a lot of the tivo and interface

⏹️ ▶️ in terms of the terminology and the way things are mostly just terminology the way things

⏹️ ▶️ are arranged is a little bit different um so i went and tried to add the season

⏹️ ▶️ passes and found the first limitation of of channels

⏹️ ▶️ as compared to tivo if you’re just used to the tivo way of doing things which is

⏹️ ▶️ on tivo if you set up a season pass and you go like search for it or whatever

⏹️ ▶️ you can find the show even if it’s not currently airing one example of survivor soever

⏹️ ▶️ comes in seasons and like each season is basically treated as an independent shows like survivor

⏹️ ▶️ colin some subtitle or whatever even though survivor’s not on right now you can find it and set

⏹️ ▶️ up a season passport same thing for you know so the first thing i did was on one of her shows was something she watches

⏹️ ▶️ and i forget what channel is anyway i did a search for it and it doesn’t come up in channels

⏹️ ▶️ because it’s not currently airing at all so i can’t add the season pass and just to confirm it’s like well maybe that’s not

⏹️ ▶️ fair maybe it’s not visible on tivo either i did a search on tivo like on my other two the downstairs one where that show

⏹️ ▶️ doesn’t have a the best and tivo does find it so tvos depth of understanding which shows may

⏹️ ▶️ be airing in the future is vastly better than channels i think it’s mostly because channels gets its guide info

⏹️ ▶️ from lightly to it in fourteen fourteen days worth of guide invoked from the cable thing if

⏹️ ▶️ you can tell me acy is there some other way to tell channels hey get additional

⏹️ ▶️ info about television shows from his other source so you know about shows that might be airing in six months

⏹️ ▶️ there is now i am talking way outside my comfort zone so i might be telling

⏹️ ▶️ you some lies by accident but my limited understanding is you absolutely can

⏹️ ▶️ tell it to go and get guide data more guide data and

⏹️ ▶️ additionally i believe that there are some like guide data

⏹️ ▶️ providers that explicitly give you considerably more

⏹️ ▶️ guide data as an example a friend of mine justin williams is really into professional wrestling that

⏹️ ▶️ you like what you like but i guess that he subscribes i believe he subscribes

⏹️ ▶️ to a particular service that gives what is e p g or something like that i forget the acronym but it’s something

⏹️ ▶️ like that that gives guide data that is hyper accurate for professional wrestling

⏹️ ▶️ shows because you know what little i know professional wrestling is you have different fights or bouts or what have you and

⏹️ ▶️ so you know maybe the the the regular guide data says w w e raw

⏹️ ▶️ and that’s all it says whereas this you know phantom whatever thing that he subscribes to and pays

⏹️ ▶️ money for says w w rats you know the rock versus so and so and this versus that and this

⏹️ ▶️ versus that and you know featuring the death match of doom or whatever they do in professional wrestling and so

⏹️ ▶️ i think there is there is a way not only to pay for that data but i am ninety nine

⏹️ ▶️ percent sure he is doing he is using channels to suck in that data as well off the top

⏹️ ▶️ of my head i’m not specifically sure where to do that but i am pretty

⏹️ ▶️ sure that it is possible that’s another example of things that tivo rolls in for the fee that you pay for

⏹️ ▶️ tivo and you can pay tivo monthly i think annually but also what i tend to do is such a long

⏹️ ▶️ tease you by the lifetime thing where you just pay one amount and that’s it forever and tivo

⏹️ ▶️ of course gives you wherever a tivo gets its guide data from probably from one of these services or something that’s all bundles

⏹️ ▶️ with the service another thing that i notice about tivo versus channels

⏹️ ▶️ i mean well it depends on what mode you’re doing things so if you did try the tv everywhere without the cable

⏹️ ▶️ card first because before i had this cable card i was using channels even last week i was using channels by itself and tv

⏹️ ▶️ everywhere it’s like it’s a web api it’s not really web scraping it’s an officially supported api and if your

⏹️ ▶️ services support it ah you can view the stuff with it and as far as i can tell it’s the same quality as

⏹️ ▶️ you as i’m getting with the cable cards i compared like let me look at discovery on tv everywhere let me look at discovery

⏹️ ▶️ through my h d homer and prime right i think it’s exactly the same at least in my case i think

⏹️ ▶️ it varies by channel and maybe varies by by you know service that you are sucking this stuff on but it’s not

⏹️ ▶️ it may be lesser quality but in my case it didn’t look like it was it was ten eighty in both places and i don’t think this

⏹️ ▶️ force available in any of these things anyway right so that

⏹️ ▶️ you know that’s that’s reasonable but when you’re using tv everywhere because it’s a web

⏹️ ▶️ thing it it starts slower it starts slower than tuning

⏹️ ▶️ to something on the tuner one of the three tuners that’s in the hd homerun prime

⏹️ ▶️ part of that is buffering you can set a configurable buffer size of how much you want to buffer but i like and i

⏹️ ▶️ play with that a little bit but you’re going to wait a little bit longer when quote unquote changing channels with the

⏹️ ▶️ tv everywhere you might see a spinner before it spools up and there might be one or two hitches hitches

⏹️ ▶️ like that never happened with tivo never like it’s just like cable that’s one

⏹️ ▶️ of the advantages of tivo and and the h d homer and prime also no hitches because it’s just it’s like

⏹️ ▶️ a tuner like the video is just there and ready as instantly as you can you know switch

⏹️ ▶️ between tuners or switch one tuner to a different channel right so that is a big advantage

⏹️ ▶️ of cable card over the tv everywhere and again i feel like i’m in an ideal scenario

⏹️ ▶️ everything is on gigabit ethernet i have symmetric gigabit up and down i don’t think there’s anything more

⏹️ ▶️ i could do is just the nature of the beast um you know the coaxial cable that sending the

⏹️ ▶️ quote unquote television to my house is just blasting everything all the time right it is a shame that

⏹️ ▶️ there’s only three tuners i did exhaust the three tuners pretty quickly with recording shows and then

⏹️ ▶️ and when the three tuners are used up you can’t even go watch it on the show because it says all tuners are in use so if you want

⏹️ ▶️ to watch it on the show you have to stop one of the recordings and go to it so and i think for my purposes

⏹️ ▶️ three is probably a little low a six is probably overkill but six is certainly nice and

⏹️ ▶️ i have two tvos with six tuners each so i can do twelve at once it’s we’ve never run out of tunes

⏹️ ▶️ on the tivo it is possible to pretty easily run out of the one three which is why i wish there was an hd homer in prime

⏹️ ▶️ six but they cancelled that but again they say there the silken dust says they are going to make another cable car product

⏹️ ▶️ and i wonder what that would be you could one of the things to speak about flexibility as you had

⏹️ ▶️ said earlier one of the things you could do is you could get a second hd

⏹️ ▶️ home run box and put a second cable card in now you have six tuners you’re not going to do that because you’re giving up on

⏹️ ▶️ it and b i’m going to make you ship me that one that been shipped to you but that’s neither here nor there but

⏹️ ▶️ it is something that you could i’m not i’m not shipping it to you like i might i might still use it but here’s the problem

⏹️ ▶️ if you mean it’s a problem with cable card right if you get another one

⏹️ ▶️ chances are good and is definitely true in the case of verizon files that you will have to pay per

⏹️ ▶️ per month per cable card i do each cable card i have in my house they make they make you pay for

⏹️ ▶️ like cause you’re not i’m not paying them for any of their cable box crap because i don’t have any of that i don’t use their route or use any of any

⏹️ ▶️ of that but for each cable card it’s like five bucks a month or something like that so i have to pay an additional five buns month just

⏹️ ▶️ to get the cable card the hardware itself is cheap i think the one prime again this is a product introduced

⏹️ ▶️ in two thousand and eleven it’s like a hundred and something bucks a hundred fifty bucks

⏹️ ▶️ i believe you if you can find one new and used it probably even less than that but it’s a very simple device like

⏹️ ▶️ to understand what this device is infections a little bit too simple it’s a plastic box that you plug coaxial

⏹️ ▶️ cable into a cable card into ethernet and power and it doesn’t do anything

⏹️ ▶️ it doesn’t decode any video it doesn’t like it just accepts what’s coming in on the cook uses

⏹️ ▶️ the cable card to tune to one of three possible channels it supports three tuners

⏹️ ▶️ and makes that content available through ethernet and then you know a power thing

⏹️ ▶️ and it’s so light and the caracal cables are so thick to make it lay

⏹️ ▶️ lie on a flat surface as always like tilts up because the cables that was another problem i had to go buy

⏹️ ▶️ a cable splitter when’s the last time anyone’s done that i had to buy a two way cable splitter because i realized when i was

⏹️ ▶️ going to hook it up the back of my television area just has one coax that goes

⏹️ ▶️ to the tivo i don’t have another one so i had to buy splitter and two very short cables to split that

⏹️ ▶️ into one going to my tivo and one going to the home in time it is a small box but it doesn’t it

⏹️ ▶️ doesn’t really lay flat in dealing with cable cars you never deal with them before as a pain not because of

⏹️ ▶️ anything having to do with at home and prime but just having to do with cable cars being a pain like i don’t endorse cable

⏹️ ▶️ cards but it’ll be sad when they go away because this same cable card works with a six tuner tee well i don’t

⏹️ ▶️ know what the limit is but the number of tuners is not in the card it’s a multi stream card it’s like inherent

⏹️ ▶️ in the box itself so that’s kind of a shame um so yeah like

⏹️ ▶️ using the interface my main complaint is that it’s less information dense than tivo tivo

⏹️ ▶️ is an older interface where it’s you know it’s kind of like gmail or you can go to the compact of view which is the view i use where you just have

⏹️ ▶️ like line items whereas channels is more modern it looks more like plex like they want to show

⏹️ ▶️ you a large poster images of the things that you’re watching right but when you record

⏹️ ▶️ the amount of content i do having the the list of things that you’ve recorded be more

⏹️ ▶️ information dense and just like a list view instead of an icon view really helps and there is a list view in channels

⏹️ ▶️ but even the list view is tall because they show the thumbnail images and a bunch of the stuff about it there’s other things

⏹️ ▶️ where it’s like trickier to get it to the feature that you want from the screen that you’re on so you have to go back

⏹️ ▶️ or whatever but mostly it’s just what you’re used to i’m definitely used to tivo and i’m i have both

⏹️ ▶️ to interfaces both the old one which in my opinion was better but of course looks old and the new

⏹️ ▶️ one which is worse but looks more modern both of those interfaces i think are a little

⏹️ ▶️ bit better especially in the recording list than channels channels has an enhanced library view lets you sort things

⏹️ ▶️ if you have lots of content but that’s more for like if you if you point it to your

⏹️ ▶️ plex library which is the thing you can do as well you can just say hey by the way channels this is the advantage of channels

⏹️ ▶️ not only do i have an hd on prime but also you can get these channels in my over the air thing and also i have a bunch of

⏹️ ▶️ crap in my you know conolly over here and it will just merge it into one giant thing

⏹️ ▶️ and just eat it all up right and if you have that much content things like the enhanced library view and virtual channels

⏹️ ▶️ and everything help you organize things but like i said in the beginning my goal is to get better

⏹️ ▶️ quality television content and channels is not helping with that because files suddenly gives me a certain

⏹️ ▶️ quality it seems like the result of all my expert experimentation here is almost nobody

⏹️ ▶️ gives you any of those channels in better than ten eighty content my

⏹️ ▶️ cap my quote unquote cable provider does not like except for those few fork channels

⏹️ ▶️ youtube tv is the only thing that does and even youtube tv does

⏹️ ▶️ not have a lot of four k channels like i found one or two of them and they were like h g t v or

⏹️ ▶️ discovery or something like stuff that i mostly don’t watch i was just looking at them to see the four key content but

⏹️ ▶️ i would have to go through every single channel in youtube tv and see like what you know what fraction of

⏹️ ▶️ a percent actually provided for k content and i think if i did tv everywhere to

⏹️ ▶️ youtube tv if i subscribed to it it would not be for k now

⏹️ ▶️ i say i think because i foolish i used up my like free trial of youtube tv

⏹️ ▶️ last time when i tried it because it said oh you know sign up for a free trial and i did and i played with it and

⏹️ ▶️ i didn’t like the interface however i talked about it on the so and i cancelled the free ral because it’s really expensive it was like eighty four

⏹️ ▶️ dollars you know because it’s like sixty bucks plus you know eleven bucks for the fork thing or whatever

⏹️ ▶️ it would have been eighty something dollars if i had paid for even just one month of it and that’s too much for

⏹️ ▶️ an experiment so i cancelled it right but now it won’t let me or apparently anyone in my household

⏹️ ▶️ sign up for the free trial i can do the free for twenty minutes thing like you can

⏹️ ▶️ always do the free for twenty minutes things if you go into the web u and says try it free for twenty minutes but that just lets you use the

⏹️ ▶️ web you ie to use it with channels you have to have a login that works and by the way an limitation of channels

⏹️ ▶️ if you have two factor you can’t use tv everywhere with you two tv so the suggestion

⏹️ ▶️ is to make a family group and then make a new account in the family group it doesn’t have two factor turn down and use that to authenticate

⏹️ ▶️ them but anyway i couldn’t do any of that because i just can’t sign up for youtube tv unless i pay eighty

⏹️ ▶️ something bucks eh i can’t sign up for youtube tv with fork unless i pay you something bucks and

⏹️ ▶️ i wasn’t willing to do that but from everything that i’ve heard even though youtube tv does have channels in fork

⏹️ ▶️ it doesn’t have a lot of those channels and channel and channels can’t

⏹️ ▶️ i can’t get those channels in fork through the tv over interface due to the limitations

⏹️ ▶️ of what is bended by youtube tv um so i still haven’t hooked up to my tv i’m still

⏹️ ▶️ did a couple of season passes with it oh the reason i still have hooked up is because one of the advantages

⏹️ ▶️ the channels has over tivo is as a commercial auto

⏹️ ▶️ skip tivo still makes you hit a button a single button granted but a button to skip over all the

⏹️ ▶️ channels and i think tivo has like i don’t know what they have doing this they have something service on there

⏹️ ▶️ and marking the beginning the end of the channel but with your channels keep wish i should call it get channel

⏹️ ▶️ because that’s what all my googling i was good for get channels suppose you don’t find anything cause get channels dot com is a website

⏹️ ▶️ anyway with channels the service a the tv v the commercial

⏹️ ▶️ skipping happens because they run a little command line thing on your server to find the channels for you it’s called calm

⏹️ ▶️ skip and i ran it from the comand line a few times to see what like you keep conflating channels and commercials you

⏹️ ▶️ keep saying you it to skip the channels for you to skip the commercials sir yes um come skip

⏹️ ▶️ for skipping commercials and that’s handy because you’re not then dependent

⏹️ ▶️ on you know tivo to find the commercials for you now tivo does a really good job of finding the commercials but if they

⏹️ ▶️ didn’t do a good job or if you’re watching some really obscure thing that they didn’t mark the channels in the commercials

⏹️ ▶️ in you you’re out of luck whereas again the flexibility of

⏹️ ▶️ channels ah it just runs that command on everything and if it doesn’t find the commercials for you you

⏹️ ▶️ can tweak the parameters tweak the ini file to find the commercials or whatever and then when you’re watching you can configure

⏹️ ▶️ it to auto skip the commercials for you instead of having you hit a button you can also configure it to hit a button or

⏹️ ▶️ whatever so anyway i threw some season passes into channels for some shows that i would normally watch on my tivo

⏹️ ▶️ and it is kind of annoying to have to remember to skip the channels with the remote

⏹️ ▶️ it’s nicer to sit there and have it skip over i’m so i’m going to leave it connected for a while and try that out i’ve already paid for

⏹️ ▶️ one month of channels which is like eight bucks or something so it’s not a big commitment i didn’t you can get

⏹️ ▶️ a savings if you pay for the annual thing but i didn’t so that’s what i’m doing so far i’m you know

⏹️ ▶️ i’m going to play with channels for as long as i can until

⏹️ ▶️ my wife demands that her cable car goes back into her tivo or demands that i get the server

⏹️ ▶️ off of her device um but my quest continues for

⏹️ ▶️ superior quality content for my television i am assuming that what will happen you know as

⏹️ ▶️ all these cable card things slowly fade away that some day i will be able to stop paying

⏹️ ▶️ for cable television which may not lower my bill as much as you would think because i get one

⏹️ ▶️ of those big packages telephone television and my internet and i love my internet

⏹️ ▶️ i’m never going to stop paying for that but they really want you to buy the other stuff from them as well

⏹️ ▶️ so i’ll maybe some day it will no longer be worth it to me to buy

⏹️ ▶️ the big television package but it’s going to be a while i think because if i downgraded

⏹️ ▶️ my tv service to like the minimum or discontinued it entirely and

⏹️ ▶️ then individually paid for showtime a m c h

⏹️ ▶️ b o like all that stuff with their individual service plans

⏹️ ▶️ i think it would still end up being more expensive than the current bundle that i pay for a due to all of the bundling

⏹️ ▶️ discounts but we’ll see but anyway when that happens presumably the streaming services will start

⏹️ ▶️ sending four k content to me and then in terms of our solutions

⏹️ ▶️ i don’t know cause such channels reliant on that tv everywhere thing it just seems like an a p i kind of like cable

⏹️ ▶️ card that these people these these companies don’t want to keep supporting if they don’t have

⏹️ ▶️ to so i’m not sure what the future of daring stuff is in the streaming only

⏹️ ▶️ world if it’s streaming you don’t need a dvr most of the time but i don’t know maybe

⏹️ ▶️ for live content or local channels that will you know anyway as always t tv is a big giant mess but

⏹️ ▶️ now i have one more potential tool in my arsenal if it were my tivo every day and as part of this whole

⏹️ ▶️ experience i was looking again taking a harder look at the current crop of tvos

⏹️ ▶️ um and they’re still my ancient tivo is still

⏹️ ▶️ still holds more stuff in it and i kind of still like the fact that it’s running the old u eye

⏹️ ▶️ instead of the new one because i don’t like the new you eye as much i would like it if tivo

⏹️ ▶️ continued to survive and i would like it if they introduced a new tivo device that is better than the one i have but so

⏹️ ▶️ far the if i was to buy the brand new one now it has one tower by less storage which is

⏹️ ▶️ annoying to expand you can expand it but it’s annoying to expand internally and externally

⏹️ ▶️ it’s big and clunky to expand and they use two point five inch drives now whereas my current

⏹️ ▶️ one uses a three point five inch which sounds old and clunky to you but reliability wise the three point five inches are

⏹️ ▶️ in my experience have been better than a two point five i have a tivo bolt with a two point five that drive already died

⏹️ ▶️ once i have never lost three point five inch drive in any of my tivo so i’m not sure

⏹️ ▶️ what i’m going to do there but anyway it was a fine experiment the experiment is still running i will update you on

⏹️ ▶️ how things go but it is tend to be slightly disappointed that i can’t find

⏹️ ▶️ that not only i can’t find but he basically doesn’t exist higher quality versions of most of

⏹️ ▶️ the regular television channels and i’ll add that the seven twenty and ten eighty one are just always so

⏹️ ▶️ massively impressed and gross looking that’s another reason people recommend the they said even if you just link itself in

⏹️ ▶️ seven twenty or ten eighty it’s less compressed than it is on files because in files they have to jam all

⏹️ ▶️ the channels into these little slivers of their banter house god i am just so happy that

⏹️ ▶️ i don’t care nearly as much as you do about tv and the fidelity of the t v

⏹️ ▶️ shows that you’re watching on tv because to me this entire set up it sounds

⏹️ ▶️ like it’s like i want to read a lot of articles so what i do is i have every magazine

⏹️ ▶️ ever published mail to my house and then i have an array of six scanners oh you want me to

⏹️ ▶️ down to three scanners that’s not going to be enough i need six scanners running in parallel to scan all these magazines coming into

⏹️ ▶️ my house all the time so i can digitize them to put them on my computer so i can read them you know where i want to read them and

⏹️ ▶️ i want to read them but i can’t go to their websites because you know it’s it’s like slightly different in some way oh i mean that’s

⏹️ ▶️ the nature of broadcast but yet it is annoying like like i said if we go all streaming everything is available on demand

⏹️ ▶️ and at higher quality whenever you want that’s ideal very often like when i watch hbo

⏹️ ▶️ we usually just go to the app and apple tv rather than the tivo which may have also recorded

⏹️ ▶️ the show just because it’s more convenient faster and often seems like it’s in higher quality than

⏹️ ▶️ what you i don’t know if it is but it seems like it is whether whether it’s bit rate or if it’s for k or

⏹️ ▶️ h d r i would prefer to use the app over that but not everything has an ap

⏹️ ▶️ ah and you know especially for local things and it is not relevant to me but especially for

⏹️ ▶️ things like local sports and stuff we’ll get there eventually but again i think this is another

⏹️ ▶️ advantage potential advantage for channels if they can ever cross this divide which is

⏹️ ▶️ it will take input from anywhere that i can get it in the best quality that it can get it the question is

⏹️ ▶️ the last part in the best quality they can get it will channels and other third party things be able

⏹️ ▶️ to get content in good quality or will be will we be forced to use

⏹️ ▶️ you know you know this giant constellation of streaming apps to get stuff

⏹️ ▶️ i mean it was a christian warren had a good tweet where she was quoting jim barksdale i think the

⏹️ ▶️ the guy from netscape may be sun saying that there are only two business models are bundling

⏹️ ▶️ and unbundling and we are current and currently in the the process of going out of unbundling and

⏹️ ▶️ into bundling when we had when we paid for cable and it was like oh i got to pay for the stupa bundle channels i don’t care about e s p

⏹️ ▶️ m but it adds fifteen dollars to a my monthly fee or whatever that was a giant bundle it’s like it’s great if i could just pick

⏹️ ▶️ and choose the services that i wanted i think we had that discussion on this very show many years ago now i can just pay for what i want well

⏹️ ▶️ i want h b o and i want showtime that was the unbundling right you’d get you’d pay for a streaming service used

⏹️ ▶️ pay for h b o now or hbo go wherever the hell one it is and you pay for showtime anywhere

⏹️ ▶️ whatever the hell the thing is called and so you didn’t have to pay for the big package

⏹️ ▶️ but the individual bundles ended up being really expensive and now those individual bundle companies

⏹️ ▶️ are consolidating so it was like warner brothers h b o discovery are combining into one ap and you got

⏹️ ▶️ paramount plus or whatever so now we’re in the it seems like we’re going towards unbundling where we’re going to end up with

⏹️ ▶️ a series of larger packages and so instead of paying for a bunch of individual

⏹️ ▶️ quote unquote channels you’ll pay for disney plus apple tv plus discovery slash

⏹️ ▶️ h b o plus paramount plus and each one of those things will have tons of content not equivalent

⏹️ ▶️ to just one channel and it will they ever go into a super bundle where fios will sell you

⏹️ ▶️ a package where you pay a monthly fee to verizon and then you get access

⏹️ ▶️ to the hbo at the showtime app the discovery app or whatever who knows but it seems like that’s what phase

⏹️ ▶️ are eventually when we get over that hump then we can use the power of the internet to

⏹️ ▶️ get four k versions of all the stuff and none will ever need quote unquote or anything because everything will be

⏹️ ▶️ available on demand with a smattering of live streams maybe over the air and for i don’t know that’s another thing i didn’t

⏹️ ▶️ try it didn’t dry over the air i think over the air content does have more force stuff but i really don’t want to deal with

⏹️ ▶️ antennas and i mostly don’t care about live sports or anything like that but dealing with antennas is

⏹️ ▶️ not bad you just get a different hd home run box which this would be irrelevant for you because you’ve got the

⏹️ ▶️ cable card one i’m saying if if this was something you you are a listener wants to explore

⏹️ ▶️ this is what i have done actually is i have a hd home run box that is not

⏹️ ▶️ with a cable card it just has coax ethernet and power and by the way you couldn’t hear

⏹️ ▶️ me because i was muted but i was laughing when you said it is impossible to get this thing to sit on sit

⏹️ ▶️ flush because mine is also tilted like a forty five degree angle for the exact same reasons light

⏹️ ▶️ way box yes but anyway the the over the air antennas are really

⏹️ ▶️ inexpensive they’re well under a hundred dollars unless you want to get one that’s super fancy and i don’t remember how

⏹️ ▶️ much i paid for this hd home on box but i think it was also like a hundred hundred dollars or less and then that would give you

⏹️ ▶️ over the air stuff again in your situation john i don’t think that’s useful at all because i think i think the over the air

⏹️ ▶️ might be higher quality than those same channels that i’m getting through files though like that is a possibility

⏹️ ▶️ possible i mean i don’t actually care about those channels so it’s not really relevant to me religious

⏹️ ▶️ i don’t watch those channels but i think over there might actually be higher quality than the sliver of the coax

⏹️ ▶️ that they give those channels on files yeah that’s fair also i would love it if you

⏹️ ▶️ could try or maybe you mentioned this not blacked out for a second but i would love it if you could try to record

⏹️ ▶️ any of the four k files channels using the cable card and channel

⏹️ ▶️ i would have tried but there’s nothing airing no i hear you but is there even a four

⏹️ ▶️ k sized not right now screen you know what i mean cause you could

⏹️ ▶️ see if what channel see yeah i could try that i think yeah i think one of the i think the one with

⏹️ ▶️ the little red sox logo first of all it had a day and a time that the red sox game was going to be on but i don’t remember what day

⏹️ ▶️ that was but i could wait for that in a second i think that might be for que i’ll i’ll double check on it to see like what it

⏹️ ▶️ produces yeah i would love to know if channels would successfully record in four i genuinely

⏹️ ▶️ have no idea if it would or not but i think it’s a fun experiment that you should you should definitely

⏹️ ▶️ try i mean i think it should like it doesn’t care about is it just files and streams agreed and

⏹️ ▶️ i think that the and what this i think more boils down to his hd home run more than it does channels

⏹️ ▶️ i would assume the hd homerun is just basically using the cable card and i again

⏹️ ▶️ am outside my comfort zone now using the cable card decrypt code whatever the the stuff

⏹️ ▶️ that’s coming in over coax and then just basically dump those bits right to desk or right to the network

⏹️ ▶️ yeah it has no idea what the content is right so i think i think that is true and i believe

⏹️ ▶️ my cable cars from the research i like the cable card itself is capable of handling four

⏹️ ▶️ content i think that’s how the verizon channels work it’s just a question of like what downstream of that canal

⏹️ ▶️ so for example my tivo can’t handle fork content is just too old it predates

⏹️ ▶️ force so even though my cable card could put that out the tivo is just going to show you ten eighty no matter what if you

⏹️ ▶️ got one of the newer t bos the newer tivo say they are for capable but i’m pretty sure

⏹️ ▶️ what they mean is we support streaming apps if your streaming service

⏹️ ▶️ supports fork our aps can show it so you could use net the netflix app on the tv to show four k

⏹️ ▶️ content and it would work i don’t think it i don’t think it means that we can show for content in your cable

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TV audio sync

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⏹️ ▶️ one final thing on television’s

⏹️ ▶️ another tv set up thing that i was doing recently is audio sync

⏹️ ▶️ and audio delay maybe i did this on my past tv but i don’t remember

⏹️ ▶️ it being quite as painful alright so to an idea of what i’m talking about have

⏹️ ▶️ you ever watched something on television and it seems like the the person’s lips are not in sync with what they’re

⏹️ ▶️ saying and no not because it’s dubbed into a different light mhm that’s the situation i was feeling

⏹️ ▶️ when i was watching television on something i’m like oh i should set the audio i o

⏹️ ▶️ because i’m using a receiver pretty much every receiver has a setting

⏹️ ▶️ where you can adjust the audio delay to match the video and i don’t remember how

⏹️ ▶️ he i did this last time maybe last time i just did it by eyeball but i find it incredibly

⏹️ ▶️ difficult to use a setting to go to increase

⏹️ ▶️ and decrease of delay to get the audio to match someone’s lips

⏹️ ▶️ it’s way harder than you think it is so i’m going to give some tips for what i am doing so at my first tip

⏹️ ▶️ i is use a documentary you cannot use a movie or a television show

⏹️ ▶️ to do this because there’s so much adr additional dialogue recording or whatever so much of the time

⏹️ ▶️ the audio you hear coming out of someone’s mouth is not what the actor said in that moment that they

⏹️ ▶️ are being recorded on video it is later some they came in and re recorded the audio so use

⏹️ ▶️ a documentary because they tend not to do adr in documentaries at least i really hope they don’t have the people come

⏹️ ▶️ in later and try to match what they said earlier right um so what i was using was the

⏹️ ▶️ uh what’s it called white magic the ilm documentaries on disney plus

⏹️ ▶️ has lots of interviews with talking heads and people sitting there and i figured that’s got to be like a live

⏹️ ▶️ audio because it’s all just you know interviewing people read but then i try do to do

⏹️ ▶️ it by i just can’t do it sometimes i can’t even tell which direction should

⏹️ ▶️ i be going it should be going negative delay or positive delay i can tell when it looks

⏹️ ▶️ wrong but i can’t convince myself that it looks right so i needed i needed a better tool for this

⏹️ ▶️ i was hoping there’d be some automated tool that would do it but i didn’t find any right so if

⏹️ ▶️ you google for this you will find various applications that will

⏹️ ▶️ on applications videos that will help you with this so here’s the one i use i will put a this

⏹️ ▶️ link in the show notes maybe margo can make it the chapter art this is a video available

⏹️ ▶️ on youtube there is a bunch of ones like this and it just shows an

⏹️ ▶️ animation with like a bar across the screen with a little highlight

⏹️ ▶️ that goes from left to right left and right and when the little highlight hits exactly

⏹️ ▶️ in the middle there’s a beep and it’s got a bunch of things it’s got four

⏹️ ▶️ circles that appear on the lower left it’s got a bar graph that hits the top but the main important

⏹️ ▶️ thing is the little white highlight and the bar that hits the zero point when the beep goes

⏹️ ▶️ right and it’s got little millisecond markings right and what you’re supposed to do is

⏹️ ▶️ just play the looping video i mean they think they want you to eyeball it they say you

⏹️ ▶️ should hear the beep when the highlight is in the middle even this i found so hard to do because it

⏹️ ▶️ goes by so fast that i’m staring at it and like is it beeping when it’s in the middle you

⏹️ ▶️ can convince yourself that it is beeping when it’s in the middle but then when i i

⏹️ ▶️ was like ok i think it’s in the middle but then i would look at a bar that’s like five bars to the left and i can convince

⏹️ ▶️ myself that is beeping when it hits the fifth bar to the left and i can also convince myself that’s beeping when

⏹️ ▶️ it’s the fifth bar to the right it’s just too fast for my pulse to handle maybe we need a young person or a jedi

⏹️ ▶️ i don’t know i could not do it so this screen shot that i uh just

⏹️ ▶️ put in the chat and i will put in the show notes here’s what i actually did i use the

⏹️ ▶️ two hundred forty frames for second slomo video recording on my iphone to record

⏹️ ▶️ a video of the video playing on my tv and then i brought it into imovie

⏹️ ▶️ so i could see the waveform of the audio and if you see in the screenshot what i would do as

⏹️ ▶️ i would say like i’m not going to trust my ears to tell me when the beep is going i want the highlight

⏹️ ▶️ to be on zero when the beep you know when the beep is playing and then

⏹️ ▶️ i had to make a judgment call because if you see a beep in an audio wave form it’s not just a single spike

⏹️ ▶️ especially two hundred and forty frames per second it’s like a plateau so if you look at the waveform it’s

⏹️ ▶️ like it has an attack and then like what is it called deca deca i had to decide

⏹️ ▶️ at what point do i want to align the zero i could have aligned the zero

⏹️ ▶️ the first time the like the waveform comes off silence like like the second the beep

⏹️ ▶️ begins but i’m like that’s probably not how this video is done they probably have the beep

⏹️ ▶️ time to trigger at zero for it’s to peak at zero maybe so i kind of split the difference if you

⏹️ ▶️ if you look at the screen shot this is what i decided to do i said i want you know i want the highlight

⏹️ ▶️ to be on zero when the sound has sort of just began

⏹️ ▶️ and is near its peak before it starts to decay and you would think it wouldn’t make that much

⏹️ ▶️ of a difference but you can if you adjust the delay by a tiny amount you can target the beginning of the way form

⏹️ ▶️ the middle of the way form the end of the waveform again missus ashley stretch out because it’s two hundred forty francs or second but

⏹️ ▶️ i got it as close as i could and also in this screenshot you’ll see the interface i was talking about last time where it blacks out the screen

⏹️ ▶️ and shows this like ugly text that’s my receiver’s sound delay input thing and of course

⏹️ ▶️ you have to configure this per input because it varies the good thing is that every single thing

⏹️ ▶️ in my stack has a youtube ap so i can play this youtube video on all what i’m

⏹️ ▶️ hoping is that the youtube bap has the same delay as anything else which i think it probably

⏹️ ▶️ does because in the end the receiver doesn’t know but happy running the receiver is just receiving audio and the

⏹️ ▶️ thing is just showing video so i did individual delays for all of my

⏹️ ▶️ things they all had slightly different delays and i did it graphically

⏹️ ▶️ by taking lots and lots of high resolution videos high speed videos and lining them up and

⏹️ ▶️ then i would go back and adjust the delay and then pull the stuff into movie and look at it again adjust the delay

⏹️ ▶️ and go on and on and on i had eventually got them all lined up to my satisfaction and then

⏹️ ▶️ i watched you know documentary again and you can get so inside your head about this you

⏹️ ▶️ can be like are there lips matching how how do people’s lips move when they talk some people’s lips

⏹️ ▶️ move differently than others when saying the same words some people don’t move their lips a lot when they talk some people

⏹️ ▶️ do so i’d look for plosive as you’d know when they would you know lips would come together and then pop

⏹️ ▶️ out with a pa sound anyway i think i’ve got a dial

⏹️ ▶️ then to be as close as humanly possible using all the tools of all me but boy

⏹️ ▶️ would i love it if there wasn’t a tool that would do this for you if you have wireless speakers

⏹️ ▶️ apple tv has a speaker that says i will do audio sing for your wireless speakers and they want you

⏹️ ▶️ to hold your phone up and do whatever but it only does it for wireless speakers as far as i can tell and the other advice

⏹️ ▶️ i’ll give to anyone who is going down this road is sound travels not that fast

⏹️ ▶️ if you try to do this calibration right next to your television it’ll be wrong on your

⏹️ ▶️ couch you have your couch like mine is ten feet away because like every foot is like i in the mathews but every foot

⏹️ ▶️ is like a mill second or something like it i think it’s about every meter yeah or anyway if your couch is

⏹️ ▶️ ten you know ten feet away from your television like mine sit on the couch when you do it because you get

⏹️ ▶️ different numbers than if you were like an inch from the television right and and that i

⏹️ ▶️ found that out the hard way because i did the first one really close to it and then did the second one back i’m like wait

⏹️ ▶️ a second these numbers are all different and so i had to read them all from the couch position um

⏹️ ▶️ you know again i don’t remember going through all this pain with my television early but that so was so many

⏹️ ▶️ years ago maybe i did maybe i’m just more sensitive to it because i was you know watching documentaries with the

⏹️ ▶️ lip i ink should have been perfect but now as far as i can tell it is perfect and hopefully won’t drift over time

⏹️ ▶️ this is one reason why i’m so happy that i work with audio and not video

⏹️ ▶️ there’s just so many more things that can break you in video or things you have to worry about

⏹️ ▶️ oh just audio only is so nice yeah i wish the television

⏹️ ▶️ hour the receiver had a way to do this visually because expecting humans people should

⏹️ ▶️ play this game online on your own if you don’t have a receiver you probably won’t be able to play no no people should not play

⏹️ ▶️ this ignorance is bliss bliss no no and if you if you don’t have a receiver everything should be in sync anyway

⏹️ ▶️ because remember the delay i’m adjusting is on the receiver itself oh yeah one other thing

⏹️ ▶️ my two point one supposedly has auto latency adjustment built into the protocol and there

⏹️ ▶️ is a setting on my receiver that says do you want me to adjust the latency automatically but it’s on it’s on

⏹️ ▶️ by default right so it’s it thinks it’s doing that and i had to decide should i leave that setting

⏹️ ▶️ on and also do the audio delay or should i turn it off and do the audio delay in the end i left it on and

⏹️ ▶️ did the audio delay but i can tell you with that feature on that doesn’t fix the delay maybe it’s getting closer or maybe

⏹️ ▶️ it’s screwing it up either way i left it on and dialed in the audio delay on top of

⏹️ ▶️ that i don’t i don’t know what the deal with that feature is maybe it varies by receiver but just be aware

⏹️ ▶️ that that is a thing and in theory maybe it’s not necessary in your set up but even if you just have something as simple as

⏹️ ▶️ a sound bar or any kind of receiver that is sort of decoding signals or do anything like that

⏹️ ▶️ ah you could experience this and all my delays were positive

⏹️ ▶️ so i think that’s basically adding a delay to say yes in

⏹️ ▶️ receiver you’ve got the audio and you’re ready to play it right now but just hold back a hundred and twenty milliseconds

⏹️ ▶️ and then play that audio because then you’ll be in sync with the television and it also may be related to

⏹️ ▶️ the delays and the television so if you’re doing lots of processing on the television and it’s slow that may be inducing a delay

⏹️ ▶️ so dial in your tv settings before you do this make sure it’s configured the way

⏹️ ▶️ you want with whatever features you’re going to use on your television and then do the audio delay with whatever those

⏹️ ▶️ video processing things are and it’s a hundred and twenty milliseconds that’s a lot yeah

⏹️ ▶️ i mean i don’t again i couldn’t even tell whether it was positive or negative doing it by hand but doing it

⏹️ ▶️ graphically there’s no line about the waveforms like there it is two hundred and forty same per second they were

⏹️ ▶️ all positive they were positive somewhere around the low hundred mill seconds wow

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⏹️ ▶️ one more piece

⏹️ ▶️ follow up this as this has been fascinating but has gone on longer than i expected this has been

⏹️ ▶️ going around a little while at your welcome argo this is this tweet the the thread has been going around for a

⏹️ ▶️ little while this is by nicky tony and it starts with ok thread of weird stuff found

⏹️ ▶️ in the redesigned macaws manure system settings app and it’s a series

⏹️ ▶️ of images and videos and screen captures and whatnot about how freaking broken

⏹️ ▶️ the system setting apis in ventura and it’s rafa

⏹️ ▶️ it’s not good yeah i was going to i wanted to see if this actually

⏹️ ▶️ changed and bad i think it would be a five that was just released so i updated my maple air to that earlier today and i was

⏹️ ▶️ poking around settings and i had the um that little thing that says you have twenty seven days left or whatever

⏹️ ▶️ to add applecare and so i clicked on that and took a very long time to load it loaded a different screen

⏹️ ▶️ in the meantime the pot then it eventually popped in and i clicked the like remind me later button

⏹️ ▶️ and that has now frozen the system setting zab in such a way that i cannot quit it the whole

⏹️ ▶️ thing is dimmed and it’s dimmed as if it’s showing a model but it’s no longer showing a model and

⏹️ ▶️ it’s dimmed and i’m stuck on the wife i pain forever and i can’t quit it so that’s the same well i mean

⏹️ ▶️ this is just one of so many tiny ways this has broken this app i mean look

⏹️ ▶️ this this is the one that you know it’s people are complaining a lot about the design which is i think a

⏹️ ▶️ very valid complaint to make it is all based on swift you eye and people

⏹️ ▶️ are blaming swift you lie and i think that is partly responsible but entirely responsible

⏹️ ▶️ i think it is very possible to make great designs and great apps with swift you

⏹️ ▶️ eye this is just not one of them and but ultimately this app it is

⏹️ ▶️ it feels really sloppy it feels half baked and an incomplete and buggy

⏹️ ▶️ and the layouts are oftentimes very difficult to understand they oftentimes

⏹️ ▶️ are very unattractive they look unpolished this is not what you expect

⏹️ ▶️ from apple this is something that you expect from windows or worse windows has actually gotten

⏹️ ▶️ better than this recently like this is it this is not to apple

⏹️ ▶️ standards and quite frankly this is in beta five

⏹️ ▶️ might be acceptable if it was beta one but it’s it’s

⏹️ ▶️ not like we’re too far along now i really don’t think this is salvageable and and i think

⏹️ ▶️ the only way apple should go forward with this is

⏹️ ▶️ to for this release for ventura revert back to the old settings app

⏹️ ▶️ and work on this for the next year or two and then ship it when it’s ready this is not ready yet

⏹️ ▶️ yeah it’s unclear what they’re going to do about this because by the time

⏹️ ▶️ we get a beta inside apple it’s gone much farther forward but like you said it’s like this is beta

⏹️ ▶️ five is not bad winter people always complain like so what you’re talking about it’s beta of course things are broken or whatever like

⏹️ ▶️ there is a cadence to betas every things are most broken in the first beta and then they’re supposed to

⏹️ ▶️ get better over time and there’s a time horizon you can’t leave something in a super duper broken state

⏹️ ▶️ and then it’ll be all fixing the very last data maybe if it’s a minor thing or whatever but this is you

⏹️ ▶️ know there’s a lot of things having to do with opinion and usability and stuff but there are things that are is not opinion

⏹️ ▶️ based like for example the the confirmation button on a screen being cut off

⏹️ ▶️ so you can’t read the text and there’s no way you can change that that’s not an opinion based thing and that’s just not

⏹️ ▶️ finished software and if that’s in beta one fine but if five betas go by and it still looks like

⏹️ ▶️ that it’s like what’s the hold up on making the confirmation button visible on the screen

⏹️ ▶️ have they just not gotten to it yet i think it’s salvageable in that you can look at this

⏹️ ▶️ and say okay setting aside the usability thing setting aside appearance aesthetics setting all that

⏹️ ▶️ aside can we just fix the things where things are just plain broken where you can’t click or see

⏹️ ▶️ a button where a label overlaps with another thing that’s not a opinion that is just something you need

⏹️ ▶️ to fix all those are fixed a bowl you can look at them and say i’m going to make a punch list here all the

⏹️ ▶️ things we need to do can’t see this button this label overlaps this thing this window is too short this window is too tall

⏹️ ▶️ just fix em right those are all fix a bull but you start

⏹️ ▶️ to ask questions on the outside why haven’t they been fixed in five betas are they saving all that for the

⏹️ ▶️ end because it’s just so easy for them to fix that i’ll just go through in the end to make sure all the buttons are visible right

⏹️ ▶️ why would they save it right or is there something about the framework they’re using or something

⏹️ ▶️ that makes it difficult to change that they’re trying to fix it but they haven’t come up with a good way to do it or maybe it’s

⏹️ ▶️ like it’s not our fix to make we’re doing the right thing but you know this with you eye widget

⏹️ ▶️ the team needs to fix it we’re waiting for them to ship us to fix so we hear on the system setting teams nothing we can do we go just

⏹️ ▶️ got to sit around and wait and when you know the swifty eye team gets around to fixing that control or fixing their metrics on

⏹️ ▶️ this particular thing our stuff will just magically work and that will come in the final beta and fix everything right

⏹️ ▶️ so we can’t know from the outside which of those things is true but what we can know from the outside is

⏹️ ▶️ this is un shippable and plenty of betas are un shippable that’s why you don’t ship the beta

⏹️ ▶️ they’re by definition unshaven t this is un shippable for reasons like not like oh this

⏹️ ▶️ is buggy or slow or is ugly or something like they literally can’t ship

⏹️ ▶️ this because people won’t be able to read the text on the button that they have the click to dismiss a window right

⏹️ ▶️ you you just can’t ship that so if they don’t fix that

⏹️ ▶️ before the release version they have to decide what to do they could discovery

⏹️ ▶️ do this and say well we couldn’t fix it in time we don’t know why they couldn’t fix it we couldn’t fix it

⏹️ ▶️ because again maybe the framework is broken or we don’t have time so we’re just going to revert but if they

⏹️ ▶️ revert are there any new preferences in venture that they would then have to re implement in the old version because

⏹️ ▶️ this shares no eye with the old one so i feel kind of like kind of like how the ship

⏹️ ▶️ discovery the this may not be that easy to revert if they added any new preferences i don’t think they’re going

⏹️ ▶️ to spend any time adding those new preferences back to the old preference pains

⏹️ ▶️ it could be that there are no new preferences so this is an issue but i think i mean to

⏹️ ▶️ give one example someone was i think it was jason stowe wrote up something about this network locations are

⏹️ ▶️ gone in venture and someone filed the bug against it and the bug was closed as works correctly

⏹️ ▶️ now in theory you could you know because you could see that and say oh

⏹️ ▶️ well that means apple is telling me that they’re not going to support network locations anymore but i don’t trust

⏹️ ▶️ the clothes reason for bugs long enough to say that definitively but based on the information that we have

⏹️ ▶️ it seems like apples saying network locations are not a thing in venture but if you revert

⏹️ ▶️ to the old system settings app it’ll have network locations again so will that you i

⏹️ ▶️ not work because it’s not connected to anything or will it just work because they didn’t actually remove the functionality that is removing

⏹️ ▶️ the you too many questions but you know for it to be this far

⏹️ ▶️ along and still have these kinds of fundamental errors is not reassuring now granted it’s only august this thing is

⏹️ ▶️ going to ship in the fall maybe in october or november so there’s still calendar wise lots of

⏹️ ▶️ time for them to fix this but from the outside it’s starting to look a little bit concerning

⏹️ ▶️ that really really basic functional stuff is not working and i encourage everyone who

⏹️ ▶️ thinks we’re overreacting to look at the thread they’re not hard to fix i’ll just make

⏹️ ▶️ the window bigger just move the button knocks just move the label they don’t they seem like they’re not hard to fix and if you’re having that

⏹️ ▶️ reaction you’re likewise ever and over reaction these are all easy to fix ask yourself why they’re not fixed yet then that’s what

⏹️ ▶️ we don’t understand on the outside again there’s lots of plausible reasons for it but apple’s not going to tell us what the where the

⏹️ ▶️ real reasons are so where is out here waiting patiently hoping one day abate will come all these layout

⏹️ ▶️ issues will be fixed and then will be back to our earlier complaints which is even though everything works we still don’t

⏹️ ▶️ like it for reasons x y and z that are more opinion based and less your you is truncated

⏹️ ▶️ based yeah but see it just it seems it using this feels like

⏹️ ▶️ this has been this has been a failure of the process somewhere along the way like when

⏹️ ▶️ you see what the setting zappa is and how it works it feels like an early demo that you might have

⏹️ ▶️ brought to a design meeting inside apple and say hey we should we should do something like this for the next version of maquet

⏹️ ▶️ and then the team would have like evaluated it scheduled it and we would have seen it after

⏹️ ▶️ it was done and polished and you know beta one would have had very few issues that’s how

⏹️ ▶️ apple usually does most of their features you know beta one of almost anything is never

⏹️ ▶️ as broken as this app is let alone beta five you know and so it seems

⏹️ ▶️ like this somehow this design which is pretty rough

⏹️ ▶️ got got approved or shoved through and then the

⏹️ ▶️ implementation which is also really rough got scheduled for a release that it

⏹️ ▶️ can’t make like there’s look we know how this is going to go

⏹️ ▶️ we know that apple’s current design team does not take feedback well

⏹️ ▶️ and look apple as a as a company culture

⏹️ ▶️ is extremely thin skinned they cannot take criticism

⏹️ ▶️ and they think they are right all of the time they did roll back the safari changes

⏹️ ▶️ though let’s be fair that’s very recent history that that was kind of at the last minute

⏹️ ▶️ and i think that was kind of reluctantly but i mean that gets back to the question of how easy is it to draw back apparently

⏹️ ▶️ so far it was pretty easy to draw back how is he is this throw back and also the safari changes mostly

⏹️ ▶️ happened on the iphone where there were a lot of there’s a large outcry among iphone

⏹️ ▶️ debate users even non developers because a lot of lot of people use the iphone bates

⏹️ ▶️ on the mac they seem to take feedback even less so and even slower and even worse i

⏹️ ▶️ mean look look at how badly notifications have been messed up since big sur and they’re still that messed up like they haven’t

⏹️ ▶️ they haven’t fixed them or treat them at all as far as we can tell and it’s a very broken design like

⏹️ ▶️ notifications is a good example because there’s both kinds of feedback oh i don’t like it because

⏹️ ▶️ it’s harder to get it features or there’s less information available or things only per in mouseover that’s

⏹️ ▶️ you know that’s sort of more design base right but there are also things like i

⏹️ ▶️ think we posted the video while back a functional features where when you go to click the button and disappears

⏹️ ▶️ from under your curse that’s not opinion based that’s just that’s just plain but it’s just not supposed to work that way it’s

⏹️ ▶️ you know and now granted there’s a work around in that case whereas in some some of these cases and systems saying there’s no work around

⏹️ ▶️ but if i can’t mouse over the button that i’m supposed to click and click it that there’s no opinion

⏹️ ▶️ about that that’s just plain broken and there are features like that in notifications that have haven’t

⏹️ ▶️ gotten fixed but they didn’t roll back the notification design because i think they like the design to your point marco they

⏹️ ▶️ think the design is better they disagree with us about that but also the bugs which are not opinion based

⏹️ ▶️ they still haven’t fixed maybe that’s a framework thing i’m pretty sure the notification is a swifty eye too maybe that’s

⏹️ ▶️ a framework thing as well and the notification team can’t fix that because it’s not their bug as a swifty eye bug

⏹️ ▶️ but either way lots of lots of things are fallen down in macias these days right and it seems like

⏹️ ▶️ the feedback loop is broken in some way like these things should not be getting out here

⏹️ ▶️ in the states they are in and what will probably happen here we’ve seen what

⏹️ ▶️ happens with mac efforts recently the hardware is amazing the software

⏹️ ▶️ is kind of half ass and when things are a little bit buggy or a little bit broken they basically never get fixed

⏹️ ▶️ like when this ships and this will ship when this ships in october

⏹️ ▶️ november whenever whatever problems and short shortcomings it has it’s probably going

⏹️ ▶️ to have for a long time because apple does not give themselves enough time or bandwidth or priority

⏹️ ▶️ to fix macos bugs very often macos bugs tend to stick around and

⏹️ ▶️ macos designs for coming stick around even longer so that’s why i like this is so

⏹️ ▶️ disheartening to see because i know they’re going to just half ass this out there

⏹️ ▶️ and then just never touch it again i think if

⏹️ ▶️ they can’t get the the basic layout features fixed in time for their target ship day

⏹️ ▶️ in the fall that they will roll this back is they they literally can’t ship a thing where you bring

⏹️ ▶️ up a screen and you can’t click the button like they just they will not ship that i’ve never they will not ship

⏹️ ▶️ a thing where you have to know that there’s a button that you can’t see and you have to return to activate it or something they’re

⏹️ ▶️ just not going to ship that period right so if they can’t get just that one screen on that one thing

⏹️ ▶️ like there’s there’s a tweet for a one of those things where he says the uh you know the button

⏹️ ▶️ the confirmed button is not visible they won’t ship that they just won’t right and so if they can’t that one

⏹️ ▶️ screen could hold up the entire design because it’s not like they can revert one preference pain

⏹️ ▶️ to the old one as far as i know i think it’s like all or nothing so if they get to october

⏹️ ▶️ and this one screen just to give one example they can’t find a way to fix it they

⏹️ ▶️ literally can’t do it they have to roll the all thing back um and i’m not entirely convinced

⏹️ ▶️ that they won’t be faced with that decision now grant it’s only august october’s long way away

⏹️ ▶️ like we don’t need to be you know paranoid about it or whatever but as the months wear

⏹️ ▶️ on watch these things see how they go because it only takes one of them to

⏹️ ▶️ make it un shippable right because some people want whatever the screen is some people won’t

⏹️ ▶️ use it and if you can’t if you can’t dismiss the window because the button isn’t anywhere visible for you

⏹️ ▶️ to click on you can’t ship that like what do you do just quit the app at that point like well um

⏹️ ▶️ there’s a modal dialogue up that i can’t dismiss cause i can’t see the buttons so game over

⏹️ ▶️ so i’ll you know i will continue to watch the betas i hope there will be a future beta where the

⏹️ ▶️ basic layout bugs are all fixed and then we can go back to complaining about the more nuance things i hope

⏹️ ▶️ you’re right but frankly i don’t trust them to make that call

⏹️ ▶️ like if you look at the clear and persistent

⏹️ ▶️ quality problems that apple allows to ship in macos i

⏹️ ▶️ don’t trust them to make that call the way you say they will i hope i get an email from apple saying you know

⏹️ ▶️ as i said the inside apple we were using a bulge from like a month ago right maybe all

⏹️ ▶️ this is fixed already inside apple and so apple people who are working on system settings or no better please send us an email

⏹️ ▶️ and say oh don’t worry that stuff that you’re looking at that was fixed three weeks ago and it’s all going to be good

⏹️ ▶️ in the next bit i would love for that to be true here here’s what i think might happen instead and you

⏹️ ▶️ know so macos is going to be holding back the release of some hardware whatever macs

⏹️ ▶️ are going to be released at that october or november whatever event those are going to require the news version

⏹️ ▶️ of maces and so they’re going to declare the ship date of macos to coincide

⏹️ ▶️ with that hardware launch and so whatever they have at this point they’re

⏹️ ▶️ going to ship it then like that’s it and i think they will tolerate a lot of bugs

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Filing Apple bug reports

⏹️ ▶️ if you’ll permit me to change subject ever

⏹️ ▶️ so lightly can we talk about feedback with apple oh god i’m so grumpy fellas

⏹️ ▶️ i’m grumpy again i’m grumpy so i did

⏹️ ▶️ what third party developers are told to do and i filed bugs

⏹️ ▶️ let me retrace that i wasted my time i’m sorry no i’m being too cruel i filed bugs

⏹️ ▶️ and i filled a few bugs against various swifty eye things both old and new mostly

⏹️ ▶️ new and those bugs went into slash dev slash noll as they always do

⏹️ ▶️ but because i’m a turd and because i know people on the inside i asked

⏹️ ▶️ a friend on the inside hey for this feedback number can you tell me what the hell’s going on

⏹️ ▶️ and this friend said oh you filed that really late didn’t you

⏹️ ▶️ i’m sorry what now i followed this like a month or two ago oh yea yea

⏹️ ▶️ yeah that’s way too late what i’m sorry what now i

⏹️ ▶️ thought and we were always told and i’m not sure what the genesis of this really was but we

⏹️ ▶️ were always told as third party developers you got to file these bugs early when the new bat

⏹️ ▶️ has come out so we have time to fix them ok that’s a little bit crummy that our

⏹️ ▶️ world has to stop in order to serve as your external cue but fine okay fine fine

⏹️ ▶️ that’s what i’ll do again maybe this is my misunderstanding i don’t want to say that this is like

⏹️ ▶️ fact cashless reports you know or anything like that i’m just telling you a casual conversation i had

⏹️ ▶️ but apparently filing things in july mid july or even early august

⏹️ ▶️ is not really leaving enough time and that’s just not cool to begin

⏹️ ▶️ with but leaving that aside for a minute i said okay well is there any action on this a couple

⏹️ ▶️ of these he said oh yeah you know this one’s been duped to such and such it won’t land for a while this one’s

⏹️ ▶️ been duped to that and that one land for a while and and they said you know oh oh and but here

⏹️ ▶️ there’s a work around for this one sorry what yeah yeah there’s a work around and this individual

⏹️ ▶️ pasted the text that was clearly written for me to see it was

⏹️ ▶️ absolutely clear that it was written for me to see and said yeah this is what it says at the bottom of that feedback

⏹️ ▶️ huh so i open up feedback assistant and i’ll give you one guess what is not at the

⏹️ ▶️ bottom of my feedback any of that in tax because there it just never

⏹️ ▶️ made it to me so let’s play this back what apple wants is for me to

⏹️ ▶️ spend a not insignificant amount of my time generating a sample project

⏹️ ▶️ for all these bugs that i’m that i’m that i’m calling to their attention then i need to

⏹️ ▶️ include them in a bug report that’s clearance the saint explaining exactly what i expected and what

⏹️ ▶️ actually happened then i need to throw it across the wall i need to do this really really

⏹️ ▶️ soon after w w d c if i want to have even a prayer of getting a fix

⏹️ ▶️ in and then what i need to do is talk to somebody on the inside to get the feedback on my feedback

⏹️ ▶️ how being broken is this how broken is

⏹️ ▶️ this this is not ok i don’t well you know what actually i take that

⏹️ ▶️ back it’s okay cause documentation is flawless and tells me everything i need to know about

⏹️ ▶️ all of these different pieces and bits and bobs this is not ok it

⏹️ ▶️ makes me so angry it is not ok that this is what

⏹️ ▶️ apple expects the third party developers to deal with this is broken and it’s broken from

⏹️ ▶️ top to bottom i am so frigg and angry about this it is not

⏹️ ▶️ okay apple i know that nobody is going to listen to this because apparently providing

⏹️ ▶️ feedback to apple never works if you do it in audio form so i’m probably going to have to write a frigging

⏹️ ▶️ blog post about this which i also don’t want to have to do now you got to make a youtube video oh you’re

⏹️ ▶️ right actually that is what i should do you know what i should just set up in my back yard and

⏹️ ▶️ just rant about this because then it may actually work it makes me so

⏹️ ▶️ angry that i have put in all of this

⏹️ ▶️ work i have put in a not insignificant amount of time putting this together let’s

⏹️ ▶️ say i don’t even know what an hourly you know rate is for an iis developer these days but several

⏹️ ▶️ years ago it was like a hundred fifty two hundred bucks an hour so let’s charitably call a hundred fifty bucks an hour

⏹️ ▶️ i’m going to send a fan bill apple for the like three hundred five hundred six hundred thousand dollars

⏹️ ▶️ of time that i’ve spent doing their key only for

⏹️ ▶️ them to give me nothing in return i am so angry

⏹️ ▶️ about this and i need to chill out and maybe i need to go downstairs and grab myself a tito’s but it

⏹️ ▶️ is it’s just not fair it’s not fair to us and that’s maybe that’s whiny

⏹️ ▶️ and maybe i’m just a big baby but i don’t think that’s the case it’s not fair

⏹️ ▶️ that i put in all this work to try to tell them exactly what’s wrong how

⏹️ ▶️ it’s wrong why i think it’s wrong here’s a sample project that demonstrates how it’s wrong

⏹️ ▶️ and i get crickets in response their own feedback

⏹️ ▶️ they they didn’t even the feedback they put in which by the way actually was helpful didn’t

⏹️ ▶️ even make it to me it didn’t even get here it’s so broken

⏹️ ▶️ and i hate it and i hate it from top to bottom and it makes me so mad i wonder if that feedback

⏹️ ▶️ is going to appear like two weeks from now because i would imagine you know whatever weird system

⏹️ ▶️ of indirection like they added this indirection recently where we do feedbacks and let’s become radars and we

⏹️ ▶️ used to be able to submit radars directly but now there’s this you know this second stage and

⏹️ ▶️ this workflow i wonder if that feedback is slowly winding its way to you and then like a week and a half

⏹️ ▶️ after you know iowa sixteen is released that feedback will appear and you’ll get a notification

⏹️ ▶️ and says oh you have some additional you know reply to your feedback and then you’ll see the work around

⏹️ ▶️ yeah maybe it could be but even if okay let’s charitably assume that’s the case

⏹️ ▶️ that isn’t helpful to me today it isn’t helpful to me so like as an example a

⏹️ ▶️ specific example masquerade is currently broken in iowa sixteen the reason

⏹️ ▶️ is and maybe to some degree maybe this is a case problem i’m not saying that i am not at a fault

⏹️ ▶️ at all but let me tell you the facts of the situation in iowa fifteen the way masquerade works is there’s

⏹️ ▶️ like a parent view it’s all swift it’s almost exclusively swift you like there’s a parent view that will either

⏹️ ▶️ show one of two different sub views depending on you what where you are in the ap whether you’ve loaded an

⏹️ ▶️ image or not if you haven’t loaded an image you get the like quick help and all that jazz there is no

⏹️ ▶️ bottom toolbar at that juncture it once you load an image the same parent view is

⏹️ ▶️ throwing away the like landing view and putting in the standard editing view which

⏹️ ▶️ has a bottom tool bar that doesn’t work in iowa sixteen so i’ve had a handful of

⏹️ ▶️ people say to me dude what the hell happened to masquerade it’s broken and i’m like what i can’t share anything

⏹️ ▶️ what it turns out there’s no bottom toolbar because apparently

⏹️ ▶️ subbing a view that didn’t have a tool bar in replacing it with one that does have

⏹️ ▶️ a tool bar that does not work in iowa sixteen that is to my eyes a regression

⏹️ ▶️ there is no reason that that shouldn’t work as far as far as i’m aware and that is a regression now

⏹️ ▶️ what does that mean i have to figure out a way to fix this before i was sixteen

⏹️ ▶️ comes out or just not give a crap that my app doesn’t work so it’s again

⏹️ ▶️ maybe i’m just being a baby me i don’t know now now i’m feeling bad that i got angry but

⏹️ ▶️ how is this fair to me that i have gotten zero feedback as to what to do

⏹️ ▶️ about this whether they’ve seen it whether they care whether it’ll get fixed if it’ll get fixed when will it get fixed

⏹️ ▶️ like telling me at release time like you’re saying john that very well may be

⏹️ ▶️ what’s about to happen but that doesn’t help me because i’ve got to get it fixed

⏹️ ▶️ by the time iowa sixteen is released this is not good

⏹️ ▶️ this is not good and it’s not fair it’s not fair to me it’s not fair to my users it’s not

⏹️ ▶️ fair i would say my customers but let’s be honest their apple’s customers aren’t they it’s not fair

⏹️ ▶️ and i hate it well first of all you should ever feel bad about your feelings casey

⏹️ ▶️ thank you second of all after our wonderfully

⏹️ ▶️ brief discussion about t v processing this probably woke everybody up so thank you for that

⏹️ ▶️ but not like this i mean look if it makes you feel any better

⏹️ ▶️ i did get a response to the to the main bug i’ve been tracking for the last few few weeks

⏹️ ▶️ and i think i was happier before i got the response i

⏹️ ▶️ think your response is kind of example of what i was going to say about casey’s thing for the second one where casey you had

⏹️ ▶️ one behaviour in fifteen and changes in sixteen um it’s kind of like the situation well not as

⏹️ ▶️ bad a the situation you’re in market but like this is part of doing a development any platform especially a platform with not

⏹️ ▶️ great documentation and especially especially a platform with not great documentation where you can’t even see the source code

⏹️ ▶️ um making a complicated application sometimes you’re not sure whether

⏹️ ▶️ your app works because of a bug or you’re using a framework correctly

⏹️ ▶️ and so when you’re in a situation like this where hey my thing breaks on the new os you always have the

⏹️ ▶️ question maybe i was doing it wrong before and the new os corrects a bug that

⏹️ ▶️ breaks my ap and you would think if you’re not a programmer you’re like oh that seems like a weird situation but aps

⏹️ ▶️ are complicated and frameworks are complicated and there is no non trivial application

⏹️ ▶️ where there isn’t some part of the code that is just accidentally working because of a misunderstanding about

⏹️ ▶️ a pi this happens all the time and that’s frustrating but that’s also just part of being an app

⏹️ ▶️ developer ideally a good platform would clarify and say oh yeah this

⏹️ ▶️ used to work this way but that was a bug we didn’t intend it to work that way and that way has problems therefore

⏹️ ▶️ in the new as it works this way and from that you can figure out how to work around your issue or whatever but

⏹️ ▶️ and not knowing also happens because sometimes there’s just not enough people to contract on all these little things in everyone’s

⏹️ ▶️ lap because every single person’s app could be relying on some a different piece

⏹️ ▶️ of weird undocumented interaction right you can’t apple can’t chase all those down figure out in

⏹️ ▶️ all those cases what all those things are doing right it needs to do a better job than it is doing obviously but there’s

⏹️ ▶️ always going to be a situation where something in your app that used to work is now broken and it’s

⏹️ ▶️ radio silence about what you can do about it and i think it’s unfair to expect apple to help every single developer

⏹️ ▶️ with personal attention like that because they just can’t do it there’s just too many developers right margo’s situation

⏹️ ▶️ which you can look at his twitter thread for details a market situation is kind of a little bit worse than that he did

⏹️ ▶️ get a response and the response was the thing you want to do that’s not what the feature you’re

⏹️ ▶️ using to do using is meant to do you should use this feature instead but that’s where marco

⏹️ ▶️ started he was using the other feature but the other feature is deprecated yeah it’s literally it’s worse than that

⏹️ ▶️ so literally so i didn’t even i didn’t post apple’s response to twitter because i didn’t want to set them on fire

⏹️ ▶️ but literally so my issue is i have i have in you know in my app

⏹️ ▶️ you can change the tint color and i have features where you can have different tint color for dark mode

⏹️ ▶️ versus light mode and so i need to be able to change the tint color which is like you know the an accent color kept the whole

⏹️ ▶️ app for like you know controls and stuff chase the tint color programmatically and swift you and this is very easy when

⏹️ ▶️ you like it in swift you eye it has a modifier called dot accent color that

⏹️ ▶️ was used before and you can set that at the root of your view hierarchies so we can propagate through everything

⏹️ ▶️ this is one of the features a swift you eye of like the power you get by being able to set certain

⏹️ ▶️ appearance modifiers at a root level of something and it automatically goes to everything

⏹️ ▶️ underneath it that’s one of the greatest advantages is with you are and so anyway so this this

⏹️ ▶️ accent color modifier worked it does this perfectly fine well the new api they have

⏹️ ▶️ the new navigation split view for iowa sixteen it wouldn’t react to changes in this property

⏹️ ▶️ if it changed during run time for the buttons that are kind of

⏹️ ▶️ internally managed by that things like the back button in navigation bar wouldn’t respond

⏹️ ▶️ to that to to changes in that tint color with the new a p i that they’ve replaced that with which

⏹️ ▶️ is called dot tint they deprecated the old one dot axon color that worked and if you use

⏹️ ▶️ can color it will give you a warning in the editor and it will say this is deprecated use dot tint instead

⏹️ ▶️ which suggests to me that those are equivalent but if you use

⏹️ ▶️ dot tint it doesn’t work it has the they won’t change the colors and their response

⏹️ ▶️ was literally like this isn’t really intended to change the color of entire

⏹️ ▶️ stacks don’t use it at the root of your whole you eye use it like on one control

⏹️ ▶️ and that’s not what the documentation says that’s not anywhere in the editor like if

⏹️ ▶️ this function doesn’t work or can’t be trusted to work at

⏹️ ▶️ the root of a view hierarchy then if i use it at the root of view hir hy it should produce some kind of error or warning

⏹️ ▶️ ideally they can probably but at least at one time but no that isn’t how it works it just fails in

⏹️ ▶️ weird ways and their recommended workaround is for me to go use the deprecated function cool and so

⏹️ ▶️ so they like literally i filed a bug and i was just like you casey i was very

⏹️ ▶️ dutiful i had a simple project and every time a new beta came out i would re

⏹️ ▶️ run my simple project and i would update the bug saying f i this is still broken

⏹️ ▶️ in developer beta three beta four developed at five i would keep updating it every time to

⏹️ ▶️ re update hey i checked this again it’s still broken you know and so to

⏹️ ▶️ get that response was basically blaming me for

⏹️ ▶️ this for their forming it’s clearly their bug and basically saying it’s my fault for

⏹️ ▶️ expecting it to work and that you know too bad and that is in infuriating

⏹️ ▶️ i don’t think they blamed you and yes it is infuriating but i know they absolutely blame you they said it’s not meant

⏹️ ▶️ to be used this way but that’s not but that’s not blame so hears things so they had bad documentation because they didn’t explain

⏹️ ▶️ this they had no documentation right well bad or no documentation right the exco suggestion of saying

⏹️ ▶️ this is deprecated use this instead you can imagine how that would come to be because although they are not equivalent when

⏹️ ▶️ said an entire view arch hierarchy they are equivalent when set on a leaf note and when set on a leaf note they

⏹️ ▶️ are equivalent and do work what they were missing was communicating the fact that tint color is

⏹️ ▶️ not whatever tint is not meant to be set on view hierarchies where his accent color is right and

⏹️ ▶️ i think the situation therein is it’s an annoying situation but it is a situation that probably happens all the time

⏹️ ▶️ certainly happens in lots of other platforms besides iowa where there is new functionality that is

⏹️ ▶️ different than the old functionality that is not a drop in replacement for it and the old functionality is

⏹️ ▶️ deprecated without any direct replacement for it so the old functionalities i can set accent

⏹️ ▶️ color an entire hierarchy there is no non deprecated way to do that that is an annoying

⏹️ ▶️ situation to be in but it happens all the time i would say that you got a good experience because you got

⏹️ ▶️ this explained to you you didn’t have to just wonder as your ap goes out like why is it that accent content collide

⏹️ ▶️ and do the same thing you actually got an answer granted that answer wasn’t witten in the documentation where everyone can benefit

⏹️ ▶️ from it it was said to you individually and then you posted it to twitter so the system still sucks but

⏹️ ▶️ this is another annoying situation when dealing with any kind of platform sometimes the functionality

⏹️ ▶️ you want is deprecated and there will never be a replacement i mean in this case i think there probably will be a replacement

⏹️ ▶️ eventually but i mean in this case my replacement was i just dropped out to you kit and do it there because

⏹️ ▶️ it works perfectly fine there but that sucks and also let’s let’s also let’s also be very clear here we all

⏹️ ▶️ know the reason i finally got an answer was because i was tweeting about it while running to the press never

⏹️ ▶️ helps yeah it the is that this is broken in that way but i’m saying

⏹️ ▶️ like the underlying situation where the pi you wanted to use is deprecated and the replacement doesn’t do

⏹️ ▶️ the same thing happens all the time and it’s just some crappy thing that you have to deal with sometimes and you should file

⏹️ ▶️ a bug against that to say our future request for all the good that does and says look i think there should be a non

⏹️ ▶️ deprecated way to set the accent color for entire view archie’s right but thinks they deprecated for a long time

⏹️ ▶️ like even in my dinky as they’re full of warnings for deprecation which i wish i could silence and like

⏹️ ▶️ i know what i’m doing is deprecated i’ve tried the new way but it’s different and worse in certain ways so i’m just going

⏹️ ▶️ to ride that deprecated thing until they yank it from the os and then i’ll deal with it then like i know they’re there

⏹️ ▶️ but there is no current non deprecated equivalent that does what i want it to do so i’ll just keep

⏹️ ▶️ using the deprecated one and i feel like that is a possible solution because how long is it going to be deprecated

⏹️ ▶️ for one release for five for ten sometimes things they deprecated for a long time there’s probably some like blanket

⏹️ ▶️ policy for apple but a coat smell though it’s such a it’s crappy but like you don’t control

⏹️ ▶️ the platform like we’re you’re you’re writing against this platform and this platform is writing against

⏹️ ▶️ us at this point yeah i think things think deprecated for a long time is actually an advantage sometimes because

⏹️ ▶️ they’re like well if the old way keeps working then i’ll just keep using that same thing with you i can’t work around that’ll probably work for

⏹️ ▶️ a long time that work around that you did were using you like it i don’t thin that’s going to go away any time soon there’s too many aps are ten

⏹️ ▶️ and in you like it but the real request is hey i think there should be a way to do this you made a new way

⏹️ ▶️ exco suggests it because it’s equivalent when talking about a leaf note but it’s not equivalent when setting it on a hold you

⏹️ ▶️ are hierarchy xcode doesn’t know that the documentation doesn’t know that so there’s all symptoms of apples crappy system

⏹️ ▶️ of not you know missing documentation incorrect documentation

⏹️ ▶️ the time it takes to communicate the fact that you have to be a high profile person and complain on twitter to get an

⏹️ ▶️ answer i feel these frustrations but you know some of them some of them are in the

⏹️ ▶️ end frustrating situations that are going to be frustrating no matter what exacerbated by all the things that

⏹️ ▶️ we think apple should be doing better in terms of communication and documentation that’s the thing is that

⏹️ ▶️ if documentation was flawless which it is getting a little bit better and i was

⏹️ ▶️ told by a friend show surendra well that you can actually file a bug against

⏹️ ▶️ documentation explicitly and say oh this documentation is broken missing et cetera um it’s

⏹️ ▶️ getting better but it’s still garbage it is absolute garbage i found a workaround

⏹️ ▶️ for an issue on read at once like that that should be in the documentation like it’s such garbage and

⏹️ ▶️ if the documentation was kind of perfect or near perfect and

⏹️ ▶️ and the feedback system was broken that sucks but okay if the feedback system was perfect

⏹️ ▶️ or near perfect but the documentation was broken oh that sucks in a different way but

⏹️ ▶️ okay but the fact that both are so fundamentally screwed

⏹️ ▶️ is what makes it just so demeaning and

⏹️ ▶️ so awful and it’s just i don’t know sometimes it’s just really not fun

⏹️ ▶️ to work on apple platforms and that’s that’s a real crappy place to be and i don’t know if that’s again maybe

⏹️ ▶️ it’s me maybe the issues me and i’ve just i’ve been on this platform for so long even though i haven’t done years much

⏹️ ▶️ work as like marco for example it’s still something i’ve been working against for a long long time maybe i’m just bored at

⏹️ ▶️ it i don’t know i mean but it’s just it’s it’s hostile it’s hostile

⏹️ ▶️ to us in ways that i don’t think it has to be and it

⏹️ ▶️ stinks that the only way for me to find out information on the status

⏹️ ▶️ of my bugs is to ask friends on the inside the only way for marco to do it is to either do that

⏹️ ▶️ or whine about it on twitter and like it is not fun for me or marco to whine about

⏹️ ▶️ it on twitter it is not fun for me to go for go to friends on the inside with a pile of feedback numbers

⏹️ ▶️ and say hey please please can you tell me if anything’s happened at this please thank you like looking like puss in boots

⏹️ ▶️ or something like that that’s not fair to my friends like that’s not fair to them they shouldn’t have to

⏹️ ▶️ be the voice of feedback because their entire feedback systems screwed but i

⏹️ ▶️ was looking at it you know and i have filed one two three four five six seven different feedbacks this summer

⏹️ ▶️ i will put the feedback numbers in the show notes if you happen to be an apple employee i have received literally

⏹️ ▶️ no feedback on any of them none

⏹️ ▶️ and i get it like they have more people writing more feedbacks than i can wrap

⏹️ ▶️ my head around i get it but that isn’t my well

⏹️ ▶️ what’s your phrase market it’s not my fault but it is my problem um it’s it’s but it’s it

⏹️ ▶️ shouldn’t be my problem like there should be if this system is as broken

⏹️ ▶️ as it seems to be then guess what maybe we should find a different

⏹️ ▶️ system and i don’t know what that is exactly but every time i rant about this either on

⏹️ ▶️ t p or on twitter or what have you i always get people from like every other

⏹️ ▶️ platform android microsoft anything and they’re like oh wow that really sucks

⏹️ ▶️ i can’t imagine having to work like that here’s what we do oh the bug trackers all in the open and blah blah blah blah blah

⏹️ ▶️ like swifts for example it’s just this is all fundamentally broken and

⏹️ ▶️ it’s just not it’s not fair i don’t think but and in that guess i guess

⏹️ ▶️ opinion but also maybe also opinion but to me it’s just it’s just not fun it’s just

⏹️ ▶️ not fun to be fighting against the frameworks constantly and if you’re fighting in the works of in

⏹️ ▶️ not in your fighting against documentation don’t forget apr view and don’t forget preview that’s true and

⏹️ ▶️ if you’re not fighting against those you’re fighting against apr view it’s just can we can we get a break on of one of these

⏹️ ▶️ pillars please can any one of these pillars not be made of sand because that would be amazing

⏹️ ▶️ make you feel any better i think part of my you know my twenty mumble years

⏹️ ▶️ of being a web developer conditioned me for this because if the experience for doing

⏹️ ▶️ web development let’s say you’re you know you’re midway through your career and you’re doing an important feature for a

⏹️ ▶️ website of course for your website you don’t control what web browsers people use and you run into

⏹️ ▶️ a book this version of this browser has this book and you’re in the same

⏹️ ▶️ situation which you described is this intended behavior this change since the last version is it supposed to work the new way or

⏹️ ▶️ the old way should i do a work round is there a work round what should i do if you think it’s difficult

⏹️ ▶️ to get any kind of answer out of apple about the intended behavior of framework try getting an answer out of microsoft

⏹️ ▶️ as a individual web developer on a dinky little website somewhere that’s trying to write some javascript

⏹️ ▶️ that just broke in the latest version of internet explorer that is rolling out to all your customers right now see if you if you can get

⏹️ ▶️ them to tell you is this intended behavior is their work around can you look at my sample project

⏹️ ▶️ you have no way to get any response from them so much so that

⏹️ ▶️ it’s just it’s completely hopeless you don’t even entertain the idea that you’re going to somehow like file a bug

⏹️ ▶️ against internet explorer and get the answer in time for your release this friday right i’m not

⏹️ ▶️ saying this is a good system it’s bad but writing on top of any platform

⏹️ ▶️ is always going to have frustrations like this and yes it is the job of companies like apple that you know

⏹️ ▶️ in theory pride themselves on being more responsive than you know microsoft would be to

⏹️ ▶️ an individual developer at a ten person company writing them an email in two thousand and five right ah

⏹️ ▶️ and i think they are slightly more responsible for that but not much in case your comparison to equivalent

⏹️ ▶️ platforms is really where apple should be looking how much more frustrating is it to be an apple developer

⏹️ ▶️ than to be an android developer for writing phone aps that is a pretty direct comparison

⏹️ ▶️ apple should measure itself against that but more importantly apple should measure it against its ideals and its ideals

⏹️ ▶️ i think are that it should be much better than it is in all these areas yeah it’s

⏹️ ▶️ just i’m i’m sorry for getting angry but it’s just so freaking frustrating

⏹️ ▶️ it’s so frustrating

#askatp: DNS for local devices

⏹️ ▶️ let’s do some ska t p and let’s start this week with christopher anderson who writes do you have

⏹️ ▶️ any recommendations on domain name and ip address management for home network devices i’ve been adding more

⏹️ ▶️ hardware to my home network such as enology home address

⏹️ ▶️ network a network av receiver etcetera connecting these devices using an ip address always feels

⏹️ ▶️ janke it’s tough to remember the ip you can get certificate warnings et cetera using using host name

⏹️ ▶️ in a dot los local suffix is hit or miss as well any suggestions on a cleaner way of addressing

⏹️ ▶️ devices on a home land i have a few thoughts on this first of all if you run my beloved

⏹️ ▶️ pie hole hey marco if you have a pie hole then you can set up local d n s in

⏹️ ▶️ that the only problem though is that if you are running any other d n s servers concurrently

⏹️ ▶️ with the pie hole i’ve learned recently that no matter what

⏹️ ▶️ order diana servers are in that doesn’t mean anything like dans the macos

⏹️ ▶️ and i think ios considers any of the dns servers in your dina serves

⏹️ ▶️ to be an appropriate server for any of your requests so it doesn’t

⏹️ ▶️ go from the top and work its way down it just you know kind of splits across all of them which is news

⏹️ ▶️ to me so that may or may not be useful because if you run other like backup d and s server then you

⏹️ ▶️ wouldn’t the high hole may or may not get the the query to the host name you want so a

⏹️ ▶️ tread tread carefully there is future sponsor tail scale which i have a lot of thoughts

⏹️ ▶️ about and they’re very very cool they have not sponsored yet but they are on the books to sponsor in the future so you

⏹️ ▶️ know take this with great and salt but um i have been dabbling with tail scale and really really like

⏹️ ▶️ it i really honestly do and one of the nice things about tail scale is it’s it’s everyone

⏹️ ▶️ i thought it was a v p n and it kind of is but that’s not exactly what

⏹️ ▶️ it’s for what tail scale is really good at is saying no matter where your devices are no matter

⏹️ ▶️ what network or networks there on anything that is connected to tail scale you will always be able to

⏹️ ▶️ connect to anything else connected to tail scale so i could be at home connecting to other home servers

⏹️ ▶️ i could be i could be at not a park bench mind you john but a picnic table connected to tail

⏹️ ▶️ scale and connect to my servers at home i can be anywhere and as long as i’m on tail scale and my other devices

⏹️ ▶️ are on tail scale then i can connect to them and that will that allows host names as well so that

⏹️ ▶️ is what i would recommend for host names with regard to certificate management i’ve got nothing uh channels does it all

⏹️ ▶️ automatically for you which is kind of cool but i don’t have any good answers with regard to that

⏹️ ▶️ marco since you’re probably near death with regard to your voice do you have any thoughts on any of this

⏹️ ▶️ i actually don’t really have these problems because i don’t really need to refer to

⏹️ ▶️ my local network devices that often part of that’s because i don’t have as many network devices as you guys do like

⏹️ ▶️ you know i use a synology but i hardly ever need to access it via

⏹️ ▶️ host name or ip address i usually like you know i have a file share on it and

⏹️ ▶️ it just shows up in my finder you know list on the sidebar there and i just click it there if

⏹️ ▶️ i occasionally have to log in to the synology i actually am

⏹️ ▶️ not even sure how to do that right now because i just use that quick connect do two thing that it sets up yeah

⏹️ ▶️ yeah i just use that which works every time and other than that the only the only thing i ever need to maybe log into

⏹️ ▶️ is my um my ubiquity you know unified network and that’s just you know one or two one one

⏹️ ▶️ one one so i i don’t need to know a host name for that so i don’t really have

⏹️ ▶️ this problem so i actually don’t have a solution for it my solution is don’t have your problem which is

⏹️ ▶️ that this is how i should respond to their bug reports saying look you’re you know you’re doing it wrong and in fact it’s your fault that

⏹️ ▶️ this is broken and really this is this is all you but and i won’t document that anywhere

⏹️ ▶️ too soon also i should mention it didn’t even occur to me until just now but you could also use a host

⏹️ ▶️ file to do this so a host file and i’m probably going to put you the description but it’s a file and what is it slash e t c slash host

⏹️ ▶️ and basically what what you do is you write a line item for an ip address and what host name you would like

⏹️ ▶️ to use to refer to that ip address and any reasonable operating system it will let you

⏹️ ▶️ will pass the host file and try that before it tries any external t in s servers so that

⏹️ ▶️ won’t work for i s very well or i patos but it would work for your mac or pc or what have you what is the quick

⏹️ ▶️ connect thing i think i used it when i first set up my conolly but not since then what is the actual mechanism to do

⏹️ ▶️ that so you set it up in the synology control panel and what it does is it basically

⏹️ ▶️ heartbeats to synology servers and says oh i’m at you know i p address one and two one six eight one

⏹️ ▶️ one except you know it’s your external ip that was a terrible example and it’s whatever your external ip

⏹️ ▶️ is and so then what that does and i believe it’ll do the like proxying

⏹️ ▶️ thing where even if you don’t expose ports on your router if

⏹️ ▶️ you go to senate’s quick nut duck too you know whatever your particular quick one account when you

⏹️ ▶️ say that like god what is what is that you type into what is the address bar of your browser you type quick neck

⏹️ ▶️ dot two and then whatever you specified as your go to yes do i

⏹️ ▶️ connect to and to is the top level of the main name and then your

⏹️ ▶️ slash you your so name and then it figures out what i pay your coming from and does the look up

⏹️ ▶️ yeah it’s like a n s really kind of thing okay all right okay um i don’t even know about that except i think i probably i

⏹️ ▶️ think it probably did it in twenty thirteen when i first set up my synology i don’t think it was available then and now like when

⏹️ ▶️ i set mine up whatever it was last year or early this year whenever that was when i set mine up it defaults

⏹️ ▶️ to bring you through that and see that for you like i used to use to the regular set up wizard and that was part of it

⏹️ ▶️ all right um so what i do for that is for my conolly in particular conolly also has

⏹️ ▶️ a free service where they will give you a domain name for your conolly

⏹️ ▶️ and so it’s like whatever name i picked dot ingy dot me and that will do donavan

⏹️ ▶️ s with you know the solo will casually try me in and say here’s what address i’m at or whatever

⏹️ ▶️ um so that’s one convenient way to do it i do have in my host file from

⏹️ ▶️ back in the day the name of my synology dot local for the you know dot local things

⏹️ ▶️ dot locals use for like bonjour rendezvous whatever dns domain

⏹️ ▶️ in macos but you can also just fine dot local ones right i

⏹️ ▶️ also also this i know this doesn’t help you with naming but this is one of the things i do

⏹️ ▶️ from back in the day with my airport extreme i assign static ip addresses to my internal

⏹️ ▶️ things year ten do zero five ten dot zero dot one dot six based on the mac address

⏹️ ▶️ of the event interface right so my synology is always ten dot zero dot one dot whatever

⏹️ ▶️ my second synology like and memorize those numbers because there’s not that many this is not a solution to naming i’m just saying this

⏹️ ▶️ is the thing i do it is surprisingly convenient some things like the hd home run that i just

⏹️ ▶️ got i didn’t do anything for this but if i go to hd home run dot local that’s my hd

⏹️ ▶️ home run so it is it advertises itself as that i don’t know what happened if i had two of them maybe you put

⏹️ ▶️ a number after or whatever but i didn’t have to do a thing for that is just as the you know rendezvous advertisement

⏹️ ▶️ super convenient if i didn’t do that i could just go if you go to your channel server

⏹️ ▶️ will tell you the ip address of the runner you can go to it that way however i have never gotten to the point

⏹️ ▶️ where i may like i’m going to run my own dns that is the correct solution to doing custom naming

⏹️ ▶️ for things but have always had some simpler jacker way to do it memorize the

⏹️ ▶️ ip put something in etsy host use a service that comes for free with your nas to come up with a domain

⏹️ ▶️ name or whatever like i’ve always done i even have like a dynamic a free dynamic domain name for like

⏹️ ▶️ you know like dynamic dan s service for one of the other things that i signed up for ages

⏹️ ▶️ ago i just i just keep doing it that way and it’s fine and even though i have more devices in marco

⏹️ ▶️ there’s not that many and everything i have described all those weird workarounds covers at all um but if you really

⏹️ ▶️ want to solve this problem once in a while you could run your own dns but running your own dns is it’s not

⏹️ ▶️ a formula for sadness but it’s close because now you’re running your own dns now you’ve got to be

⏹️ ▶️ careful about things now you’ve got to make sure everything is resolving oh is my streaming locus i’m connecting

⏹️ ▶️ to the wrong thing and you know even something as simple as changing your d and s over to eight that eight that eight

⏹️ ▶️ that eight o eight that eight that four dot four of those things whatever can mess you up so once you enter the realm

⏹️ ▶️ of d n s then you may find yourself in the situation where you start to be able to

⏹️ ▶️ understand the relate to the technology mean that you will see on twitter very often which is it’s always

⏹️ ▶️ the in us it was the problem why did the servos go down why three down why did this thing get hacked why did

⏹️ ▶️ this happen now it’s always danes not always dns but sometimes it feels that way so i would caution

⏹️ ▶️ against that and i would say try using the other methods again like in the case of hd home run

⏹️ ▶️ i didn’t have to do anything and it’s a name that i can look it up with and i didn’t have to memorize any i piece

⏹️ ▶️ just take that victory and go with it and just type hd room not local for other things try

⏹️ ▶️ a hosts file if you want it to be accessible everywhere i mean even some tail scale may be easier

⏹️ ▶️ than setting up and running your own dns if you’re doing it already for pie hole then you’ve already bitten that

⏹️ ▶️ off and so have fun but i have not decided to undertake that task i just

⏹️ ▶️ get by with my sort of molly collection of techniques

#askatp: Advice for new parents

⏹️ ▶️ fair enough carlos quinella writes my wife is due in october congratulations with her first child and we also

⏹️ ▶️ had fertility challenges thanks for speaking about those cases you are welcome i’m glad to hear that that has worked out

⏹️ ▶️ i am starting to get a little overwhelmed right carlos any words of advice things you wish you had done arranged

⏹️ ▶️ or thought about earlier both tech and non tech related this could go on

⏹️ ▶️ for approximately thirty five years but i will try to be brief about it um i think

⏹️ ▶️ there’s a lot that could be said and can be done but ultimately no matter how

⏹️ ▶️ much you prepare it really is true and it’s so frustrating to hear it but no matter how much you prepare

⏹️ ▶️ there is nothing that will prepare you for your first child there’s nothing you can do like

⏹️ ▶️ this is going to completely destroy your world in all the best and worst ways and that’s okay

⏹️ ▶️ that’s that’s fine but some specific things that i would that i would advocate

⏹️ ▶️ when you are on your way to the hospital if either of you is even the

⏹️ ▶️ slightest bit hungry eat something eat something right then because if you are going the route of having an

⏹️ ▶️ ep if you your spouse is going the route of having an epidural then they can’t eat once the epidural

⏹️ ▶️ is in you probably won’t have the time inclination or ability to eat once you’re at the hospital at eat on

⏹️ ▶️ the way once you’re in the hospital particularly after the baby is born take advantage of the nurses that

⏹️ ▶️ baby doesn’t need to sleep with you that night that’s just my two cents but they don’t need sleep with you that night they’ll be fine in

⏹️ ▶️ the nursery you need to get a little bit of sleep while you can because there ain’t none coming for the next one

⏹️ ▶️ six to fifty weeks i don’t know so take advantage of the nurses in the hospital they’ll they’ll

⏹️ ▶️ do what you want them to do if they want if you want to bring the baby in when it’s time to feed they’ll bring the baby in but

⏹️ ▶️ one way or another take advantage of the nurses ask them questions they’ve they’ve heard everything they’ve heard all the dumb

⏹️ ▶️ questions all smart questions ask them questions be present be there it’s something i work on every day i’m not

⏹️ ▶️ great about it but i need to be better about it i’m trying every single day something aaron and i found

⏹️ ▶️ was that early on i would wake like in solidarity with her because we breastfed or she

⏹️ ▶️ breastfed decline and did with michael as long as she could before michael had some allergy

⏹️ ▶️ issues at first would wake up and just kind of be awake with her

⏹️ ▶️ just to show like hey i’m i’m doing this with you i’m here and we quickly realized that was really

⏹️ ▶️ stupid like if anyone can sleep if anyone can sleep sleep that’s the best recommendation i have if

⏹️ ▶️ anyone is capable of sleeping i don’t care who it is sleep um if you have any inclination

⏹️ ▶️ to get a good camera and to find good however you want now is the time

⏹️ ▶️ to do it i am so incredibly glad that i bought the microphone the third camera that i bought before

⏹️ ▶️ declan was born i am i don’t use it that often anymore and i actually find that it’s

⏹️ ▶️ only i i personally think it’s only better than the iphone in natural light so i don’t

⏹️ ▶️ ever reach for it when i’m inside a building but that being said if you want a

⏹️ ▶️ good camera now’s the time to do it and i would expect that that marco and john’s fancy cameras would probably do much better

⏹️ ▶️ inside than mine does and then something that was useful for me and i think it’s because aaron and i are both

⏹️ ▶️ super type a and may or may not be useful for you is getting some sort of an app that tracks

⏹️ ▶️ what the baby is doing especially early on you kind of have to know how often they’re peeing how often they’re pooping et cetera

⏹️ ▶️ um i used or re used baby connect which is hideously

⏹️ ▶️ ugly just hilariously ugly but extremely powerful and is really good at at being quick

⏹️ ▶️ and easy to track things i also like this for when i went back to work with decline in

⏹️ ▶️ particular because you know aaron would say oh the baby would mark in the ap oh the baby went down and then

⏹️ ▶️ would mark when the baby woke up and that would be a really good indication as to how

⏹️ ▶️ just completely frazzled arin will be when i get home from work because if decline has only slept for twenty minutes

⏹️ ▶️ which was not unusual for him then she’s going to be in need of assistance whereas if he

⏹️ ▶️ somehow powered you know dropped it like a hour and a half nap which was very rare for him if ever then she’ll be

⏹️ ▶️ okay when i come home and so that that was useful for us may not be useful for you and that’s totally

⏹️ ▶️ fine uh oh and finally lean on the people around you your natural

⏹️ ▶️ inclination or at least if you’re anything like me and aaron was to like what is

⏹️ ▶️ the the bring the circled the wagons that’s a turn phrase smoking for circle the wagons and like just the two of you will

⏹️ ▶️ take care of this no one gets near us we will handle this granted we’re about to keel over from

⏹️ ▶️ exhaustion but we’ll take care of it everyone leave us alone don’t do that don’t do that if somebody wants to bring

⏹️ ▶️ you food let them bring you food somebody wants to come over and do laundry let them do your laundry i don’t care how embarrassing it is

⏹️ ▶️ let them do your laundry if they want to do anything if they want to take the baby from you while you go upstairs and

⏹️ ▶️ do anything but baby stuff let them do it rely on people take

⏹️ ▶️ people at what they offer whenever somebody offers anything the correct answer is yes please i’d

⏹️ ▶️ love that that’s all i’ve got that was great did you write the down first no i

⏹️ ▶️ didn’t i mean i had a couple of bullets in the show now but that was most of it that’s amazing yeah so that casey

⏹️ ▶️ covered pretty much all the big highlights that you’re going to deal with i mean you know you know raising

⏹️ ▶️ a kid in general you know over the next eighteen years and plus more hopefully

⏹️ ▶️ um there’s lots of things to address there and you’ll pick it up as

⏹️ ▶️ you go and you know we can cover that in larger questions down the road

⏹️ ▶️ but you know for the initial needs of a baby is coming yeah i think katy covered

⏹️ ▶️ it well you’re it’s going to put a lot of stress on you physically

⏹️ ▶️ and mentally and and on and on the baby’s mother your wife

⏹️ ▶️ and so this is going to be a hard time for

⏹️ ▶️ you for your relationship for your household for your family

⏹️ ▶️ and there’s lots of upsides and so just be prepared for those downsides and

⏹️ ▶️ try to do whatever you can to support each other to believe in each other

⏹️ ▶️ to give each other the benefit of the doubt to recognize that there is going to be a lot of times

⏹️ ▶️ coming up where one or both of you is going to be really grumpy because you’re not going to be getting a lot of sleep and

⏹️ ▶️ you’re going to be really tired and really frustrated and it’s going to push all your buttons

⏹️ ▶️ that exist like that’s that’s what that’s especially you know what infants do is

⏹️ ▶️ like they are biologically designed to push all of your buttons so that you keep giving them everything they need

⏹️ ▶️ um and so it’s a strain it is a big strain and and go into

⏹️ ▶️ it knowing that’s going to be the case and supporting each other as best as you possibly can and whatever

⏹️ ▶️ whatever that means for the two of you and and that could be a lot of things that could be

⏹️ ▶️ things like you know you take over like you as as the as the

⏹️ ▶️ father for a while you can’t really feed the baby but you can you can

⏹️ ▶️ do other supporting roles so anything you need to support the mother

⏹️ ▶️ for the things that you can’t do you can you can support her in those things and everything that you can

⏹️ ▶️ do just do it you can be the diaper parent you change every single frickin diaper like whatever it is

⏹️ ▶️ like you know whatever it is you do what you can to support her and to support the baby if

⏹️ ▶️ if either or both of you might want to consider therapy afterwards

⏹️ ▶️ that also can be very beneficial and oftentimes very necessary leave all these

⏹️ ▶️ options on the table because again it’s it’s a big strain on everybody in this time

⏹️ ▶️ period and so just do your best to support each other and realize that

⏹️ ▶️ you’re in this together and you you know you’re building this family

⏹️ ▶️ together and so all the hard parts are worth it in the end so you got to just get through the hard

⏹️ ▶️ parts and and be there for each other and again give each other the benefit of the doubt as much as possible

⏹️ ▶️ and support each other yet well put and another one that i just thought of my

⏹️ ▶️ brother in law and and his wife actually just had there first and something that occurred

⏹️ ▶️ to me is and i am really in no position to talk about this but everything i’ve

⏹️ ▶️ ever understood from almost any mother i’ve ever spoken to is that nobody really tells you that

⏹️ ▶️ breastfeeding is not easy it is not easy and it’s painful from what i understand

⏹️ ▶️ so it is completely normal and maybe not healthy but like

⏹️ ▶️ normal for the child and the mom to just not get the whole breastfeeding thing squared

⏹️ ▶️ away for like the first few days if not a week or two that is totally normal the mom is well

⏹️ ▶️ if she’s anything like erin and i’m almost any woman i’ve ever spoken to about this we’ll immediately blame themselves

⏹️ ▶️ and be like oh i’m not doing this right it must be something i’m doing wrong it’s just it’s hard

⏹️ ▶️ and nobody ever tells you how hard it is it’s frigging hard and from what ernest told me another man as spoken

⏹️ ▶️ to friggin hurts especially in the beginning so that is completely normal and complete well

⏹️ ▶️ again i shouldn’t say it’s okay but for lack of a better way to say it it’s okay so anyway sorry john the way

⏹️ ▶️ one more thing too like i often you know when you know when our kid is upset about something

⏹️ ▶️ i ought he’ll often you know as many people do he might say something you know

⏹️ ▶️ you know kind of hastily like i’m never going back there again you know cause something bad happens

⏹️ ▶️ somewhere you know and and i i always repeat to him like look we don’t don’t make

⏹️ ▶️ decisions or proclamations about the future when you’re upset you

⏹️ ▶️ know so so you know when you when you’re like oh i’m never going back there again well you know you literally just had a

⏹️ ▶️ bad experience somewhere this is not the time to say in the future i’m never going to do

⏹️ ▶️ this same again right you now and keep in mind that during this first few months especially

⏹️ ▶️ you’re going to be like in a very fragile state for a lot of that

⏹️ ▶️ time just because of things like lack of sleep and in know a lot of stress and stuff like that and and you know and your

⏹️ ▶️ wife is going to be you know her body has to recover her mind has to go through a lot of the stuff and

⏹️ ▶️ it’s this is this is heavy stuff so again as part of the giving

⏹️ ▶️ each other the benefit of the doubt constantly and supporting each other thing also keep in mind

⏹️ ▶️ that this all that stress and and and you know challenges of

⏹️ ▶️ the body and mind are temporary and you know things will you you’ll

⏹️ ▶️ have you know different challenges down the road as the kid gets older but you know the infant stuff that’s really

⏹️ ▶️ that’s a temporary thing and that’s like an extreme version of of the challenges and so

⏹️ ▶️ keep in mind that whatever whatever you’re feeling during this time it’s temporary

⏹️ ▶️ you’re right in the middle of it and after and like and don’t make any

⏹️ ▶️ you know major proclamations or decisions when you’re in that time because you’re

⏹️ ▶️ going to be very sleep deprived and you’re very like drained for a lot of that time

⏹️ ▶️ and so just get through it support each other as best you can and and you

⏹️ ▶️ know see on the other side john casey said there’s nothing you can do to prepare

⏹️ ▶️ for it in many ways that is very true because it’s kind of one of those things where no matter how much you read about it until

⏹️ ▶️ you experience you don’t really know what you’re in for but one of the important things you could do in terms of preparation

⏹️ ▶️ is kind of a i

⏹️ ▶️ get ok with the concept that uh

⏹️ ▶️ that things will all right so there’s there’s there’s societal

⏹️ ▶️ pressure for a surrounding parenthood right

⏹️ ▶️ and you’re in case of touching us with the resting thing both of you are going to

⏹️ ▶️ feel ways that you think you quote shouldn’t feel right you’re going

⏹️ ▶️ at various points you’re going to say i hate this baby and then you’re going to feel you’re going to feel guilty

⏹️ ▶️ but i’m not supposed to hate my baby what kind of good parent hates their baby right this is what you

⏹️ ▶️ should prepare for the cognitive dissidence of feelings that you absolutely will

⏹️ ▶️ have that you also at the same time think are bad or wrong right

⏹️ ▶️ because that can eat you up right that can make everything so much worse you can spend a lot of

⏹️ ▶️ time beating yourself up about the fact that i don’t love my baby i shouldn’t be

⏹️ ▶️ hating this like you’re you’re beating yourself up about feelings that you’re having right

⏹️ ▶️ now the flip side of this is this doesn’t mean ignore all the bad things you’re

⏹️ ▶️ having so to give one example if breastfeeding is painful a talk to a lactation

⏹️ ▶️ consultant do not say well it’s just supposed to be painful there it’ll be it shouldn’t in the ideal case

⏹️ ▶️ be painful but it can be and if it is there are things you can do to try to help it and

⏹️ ▶️ it could be that you may just have to not press you but don’t make that decision to marco’s point don’t make

⏹️ ▶️ that rain on your own base on your guilt about not doing it and the fact that it is painful

⏹️ ▶️ find help there is an actual job called lactation consultant that they do

⏹️ ▶️ this and if you can’t find one or can afford one find someone who has breastfed or whatever and in

⏹️ ▶️ terms of the like preparing for you feeling bad and not part of that is

⏹️ ▶️ having somebody in your life or you can talk to about your bad feelings so right there

⏹️ ▶️ that’s a pretty high bar who do you want to tell that you hate your baby you’re probably feel comfortable telling

⏹️ ▶️ telling your mom that you hate your baby right same thing with like oh breastfeeding is painful

⏹️ ▶️ i don’t know who to turn to i don’t know where lactation consulted is i can’t afford one on my brain space and

⏹️ ▶️ others who should i talk to about it you may think i’ll talk to my mom she breastfed she’ll give advice

⏹️ ▶️ me it depends on your mom maybe your mom will be awesome and give you great advice and walk you through it

⏹️ ▶️ or maybe your mom will be like i don’t remember but i think it was fine for me and it should be fine for you and you have a weird relationship with

⏹️ ▶️ your mom or just makes you feel worse so you have to have someone sane who isn’t sleep deprived

⏹️ ▶️ so probably not your spouse to to sanity check what you you’re doing

⏹️ ▶️ because you’re going to feel awful and it’s going to feel terrible but then also

⏹️ ▶️ you have to know yeah but is that just like the heart of being an infant or is there something wrong right or

⏹️ ▶️ is there something i can do about this and it’s so hard to know when you’re in the middle of it especially when you add in the guilt

⏹️ ▶️ is this a bad thing that i should just power through or is this a bad thing that needs to be addressed

⏹️ ▶️ you will not be able to make that call on your own because your brain will be so scrambled and you never heard

⏹️ ▶️ a kid before and you don’t know and that’s why it’s so important to have someone somewhere in your life who is not the google

⏹️ ▶️ search box that will that you feel comfortable talking to about these things and will

⏹️ ▶️ give you an honest answer and very often unfortunately that is not our parents for a variety

⏹️ ▶️ of reasons that are too complicated to go into and also the fact they had kids a long time ago there are

⏹️ ▶️ people who do this for living they are friends who may be closer to your age who have done this more recently find someone that you

⏹️ ▶️ trust to talk about this because what you don’t want to do is say a hard a pace is going to be really hard therefore anything that bad

⏹️ ▶️ happens i’ll just shut my mouth about it and say well it’s just supposed to be hard to deal with it and like i know this

⏹️ ▶️ is not really a good advice i’m telling you like it’s going to be hard but if it’s too hard something might be wrong to out find

⏹️ ▶️ out but it’s that’s what makes it hard right so you can do that ahead of time

⏹️ ▶️ you can think about while you are not sleep deprived you and your spouse who will

⏹️ ▶️ we be able to talk to that we can trust should we find a lactation consultant now while

⏹️ ▶️ the baby is safely ensconced in someone inside of another human being it’s so much easier to

⏹️ ▶️ deal with that baby inside there despite all the terrible things of having to do with pregnancy that your wife will be able to fill

⏹️ ▶️ you in on if you’re interested in it’s worse when the baby comes out right and the final thing i’ll say is

⏹️ ▶️ if part of managing the guilty feelings about the feel you know like feeling bad about

⏹️ ▶️ your feelings part of managing and that is so that you will find yourself able to enjoy the good

⏹️ ▶️ moments because there will be good moments even with the worst infant when it smiles at you and makes a funny burp

⏹️ ▶️ when you’re when it’s comfortable napping on your chest and you’re watching tv you will have these moments

⏹️ ▶️ and if you are spending all that time feeling bad about how you don’t love your

⏹️ ▶️ baby the right way you will miss them don’t miss them so the preparation is

⏹️ ▶️ like set up those supports think about them when you have the same brain be prepared for the fact that you are

⏹️ ▶️ going to feel things that you think you shouldn’t feel and practice sort of getting past that

⏹️ ▶️ so you can successfully be in the moment to enjoy the good parts because there are good parts

⏹️ ▶️ having an infant right and they get even better as the kid gets older and everything and you want to be able to enjoy

⏹️ ▶️ them and that will really help you get through all this and finally like margaret said a

⏹️ ▶️ postpartum depression is a thing and it can be difficult even to just be a be a father in this situation

⏹️ ▶️ do not be afraid to ask for support there are people again mental

⏹️ ▶️ health professionals who can help you while you are having a baby it is not a failure of you as a parent does is not

⏹️ ▶️ a failure of your child a that’s something that you should have sort of lined

⏹️ ▶️ up you may not need it but if you do don’t feel guilty about needing it there’s no guilt about it you’re

⏹️ ▶️ it’s it’s it can be helpful and you should definitely seek it out if you spend all your time feeling bad

⏹️ ▶️ about it and then feeling even worse that you are considering having this thing i shouldn’t need therapy my parents didn’t need therapy

⏹️ ▶️ to raise me what am i even doing don’t have that attitude i know this sounds all grim and terrifying and if you’ve

⏹️ ▶️ never had a kid you’re like why would anyone have a kid that sounds awful i just i just feel like it

⏹️ ▶️ it’s the thing that no one prepared me for because everything that i heard and read from people was like oh you’re having a kid that’s so

⏹️ ▶️ wonderful can it be so great because that’s what we’re all conditioned to do but i feel like his engineers have all

⏹️ ▶️ having gone through this we’re telling you like the things that other people won’t tell you about it i mean

⏹️ ▶️ i guess you all listen to parenting podcast you probably hear all the time but on a tech podcast the said oh it’s

⏹️ ▶️ great you’re having a baby it’d be so fun for you ah there are hard parts too and

⏹️ ▶️ the more you can the more you can get yourself right with how it’s going to be hard

⏹️ ▶️ again in a balanced way do not ignore problems that might actually be problems but also don’t expect

⏹️ ▶️ everything to be wonderful i don’t know if we’re being helpful or just scaring people away from having babies but it seems like

⏹️ ▶️ people keep having them no matter what so i think somehow the system i work well i would also say like on the

⏹️ ▶️ on the therapy front like as you mentioned on like on the therapy front um you know there’s a common

⏹️ ▶️ wisdom out there that if you get in a car accident like suppose you’re re ended

⏹️ ▶️ or something a lot of people say you know what you should go to the hospital just to get your like neck and shoulders and stuff checked

⏹️ ▶️ out just in case like you you probably have something there that could be that could be worked on or

⏹️ ▶️ at least monitored um you know and certainly if you actually do have any kind of injuries you should you know get

⏹️ ▶️ get them looked at and and work on them you know work on them somehow address them

⏹️ ▶️ no one says that about about mental stuff like no one when you’re going through this this massive

⏹️ ▶️ change in your life that that can be very emotional and very stressful

⏹️ ▶️ no one says hey you know what even if you don’t think you need therapy

⏹️ ▶️ why don’t you go go get checked out like go have a few sessions just to just talk through some stuff and just just see

⏹️ ▶️ you know even if you don’t think you need it no one ever says that we probably should

⏹️ ▶️ like there’s a lot there’s a lot going on here when when you go through major life events

⏹️ ▶️ whether they are things like having a child or you know maybe you know

⏹️ ▶️ losses like somebody passes away or getting divorced or whatever like there’s so many instances in life

⏹️ ▶️ where this is a major shift that’s going to put a lot of stress on you it’s it’s

⏹️ ▶️ very like emotional you know challenging time in certain ways go to therapy

⏹️ ▶️ why not go for a couple of sessions if you don’t think you need to go for a couple of sessions just to see

⏹️ ▶️ even that can be helpful in some way get checked out like

⏹️ ▶️ we don’t we don’t do that as a society but i think we really should that’s an example

⏹️ ▶️ of having a person who will be able to tell you the sanity check like

⏹️ ▶️ in when you’re in it you’re not going to be able to tell am i feel is what i’m feeling within

⏹️ ▶️ parameters that should be expected or is there something wrong it’s so difficult to tell that about yourself

⏹️ ▶️ so a therapist is an example of one person who will hopefully be able to give you the perspective that you aren’t

⏹️ ▶️ able to have and again i would stress that your friends and family may not be able to give you that perspective

⏹️ ▶️ because there is there is social pressure for your friends and family to be relentlessly positive and say oh i’m

⏹️ ▶️ sure you’ll be fine or you’ll get over it or we can help out are you feeling better like not that they’re doing anything

⏹️ ▶️ bad about that but they’re not like it’s not their job right that’s a therapist’s job and in terms

⏹️ ▶️ of preparation it i’ve heard from so many people find trying to

⏹️ ▶️ find a therapist is like the hardest part of therapy i can forget about the decision to do it and sometimes that’s also hard to

⏹️ ▶️ get over that hump okay i’ve decided i want a therapist who i don’t know i can search oh boy there’s

⏹️ ▶️ a lot of them how do i pick one or i do that before the baby comes

⏹️ ▶️ out of someone’s body because you are more able to please think about you if you’re

⏹️ ▶️ in this terrible situation and you think there might be something wrong but you can’t tell that’s not the time you wanted say oh and now i

⏹️ ▶️ have to figure out how to pick a therapist you can do that ahead of time you can call them up you can make your first

⏹️ ▶️ appointment for the for the first week after the baby’s due date like do it while you it do it while you don’t

⏹️ ▶️ have baby brain do it now and just end on a slightly more positive note

⏹️ ▶️ i have known aaron i think the least of all that each of us have known our spouses but i’ve

⏹️ ▶️ known aaron seventeen years seventeen and a half at this point the single

⏹️ ▶️ most impressive and amazing thing i get to see

⏹️ ▶️ her do is be a mom but the single most impressive thing i think i’ve

⏹️ ▶️ ever seen her do is to have our two kids like watching your

⏹️ ▶️ wife do that is is something that is unbelievable

⏹️ ▶️ and i don’t have the vocabulary to put into words what that’s like and

⏹️ ▶️ i don’t think grant’s unique in this i think you tina and i think tiff are exactly the same

⏹️ ▶️ and watching your wife i’m going to say go through that but again that implies

⏹️ ▶️ negative ness but to watch your wife bring another person into the

⏹️ ▶️ world and that includes pregnancy but particularly birth like it’s just it’s unreal and

⏹️ ▶️ for my for my money so to speak it’s the most impressive thing i’ve i’ve seen

⏹️ ▶️ erin do and and that’s that’s something really special that that you know no matter

⏹️ ▶️ how good or bad apparent she is or was or will be i will never take

⏹️ ▶️ that away from her and that’s and that’s that’s just a super cool thing to share with your spouse so i almost missed a

⏹️ ▶️ is taking a dump

⏹️ ▶️ oh my well yeah okay so eat a sandwich on the in the car being a being a follow during

⏹️ ▶️ birth is a little bit easier i would recommend not complaining that your feet hurt also also

⏹️ ▶️ a good idea um eat a sandwich on the way to the hospital and then immediately and then

⏹️ ▶️ immediately take a top that’s that’s our collective advice

#askatp: Work vs. family time

⏹️ ▶️ mix orana writes i was just wondering if you guys could talk about alone or focus time when you’re an app development

⏹️ ▶️ mode and how you balance the time you need for that and the needs of interpersonal relationships like with your partner

⏹️ ▶️ and kids does your partner respect that as legitimate need or has it ever caused tension for me and i think all three

⏹️ ▶️ of us will probably have ferent answers for this for me i think the only tension

⏹️ ▶️ it’s caused is that aaron is almost too good about it and that

⏹️ ▶️ i feel like she more jealously guards my work time than i do which is probably a sign that i should

⏹️ ▶️ guard it more jealously but that’s neither here nor there but there are times especially over the summer where i’ll be like oh i want

⏹️ ▶️ to go with you three to do that thing she’s like well are you sure don’t you have work you need to be doing and she’s not saying that to be

⏹️ ▶️ a turd like she’s not it’s not like your mom saying are you sure you don’t need to clean up your room you know it’s not that

⏹️ ▶️ sort of thing it’s like no genuinely like do you need me to take the kids away so that you can concentrate

⏹️ ▶️ and get work done and that’s been kind of funny this summer but generally speaking

⏹️ ▶️ we reached an agreement that these are my you know kind of core working hours which is really

⏹️ ▶️ business speak but that’s basically what it boils down to and generally speaking she tries to leave me alone and the

⏹️ ▶️ kids try to leave me alone when i’m in the office during those times and once or twice a week i will go somewhere

⏹️ ▶️ else like not a park bench mind you john but a picnic table or maybe a library or

⏹️ ▶️ maybe you know the the exterior of a grocery store cafeteria or what have you and that’ll

⏹️ ▶️ give me some focus time as well but generally speaking it’s we basically talked about

⏹️ ▶️ it before i went independent and and came to an agreement that this is the time that i should and

⏹️ ▶️ will be working and this is the time that i won’t be working and we’re going to be okay with that and obviously

⏹️ ▶️ flex us from time to time but you know it’s pretty consistent for the most part and that’s worked out pretty well for us

⏹️ ▶️ john actually marco i probably should have started with you since you’ve been at home the longest of the three of us how do

⏹️ ▶️ you and tiff and adam work this out i am terrible at this and i

⏹️ ▶️ always have been like i am just terrible at time management in general

⏹️ ▶️ and when it comes to like balancing you know working at home with

⏹️ ▶️ getting stuff done i am terrible at that too and i have been terrible at that for the entire

⏹️ ▶️ time working at home full time which began twelve years ago so

⏹️ ▶️ i don’t really have good answers here i mean so to some degree you

⏹️ ▶️ know i’m i’m served well by the fact that i have always been a slacker with really inconsistent

⏹️ ▶️ productivity um i you know we talk to this a little bit before

⏹️ ▶️ like i will work my butt off for like like a four hour

⏹️ ▶️ stint in a day and that’ll be like most of the work i get done that week it looks

⏹️ ▶️ like in the in those chunks where i’ll have these massively productive chunks of time and

⏹️ ▶️ then i will have days afterwards where i don’t have anything like that and and

⏹️ ▶️ most of that is not on the family it’s on me you know i’m i’m the one who is you know

⏹️ ▶️ usually being distracted by other things and and part of that’s also that like that i do

⏹️ ▶️ different things like i have been juggling this podcast and other podcasts

⏹️ ▶️ along with app development and there is very little overlap in those two you

⏹️ ▶️ know in terms of like you know what kind of mental mode you have to be in to do it um

⏹️ ▶️ and so like and i do a lot of other things too you know i have other you know hobbies

⏹️ ▶️ and other projects that i work on and and stuff like that and so i’ve never been that good

⏹️ ▶️ at managing all this stuff i kind of just do work whenever whenever i’m motivated to do it but that that

⏹️ ▶️ is not a predictable or consistent thing um otherwise

⏹️ ▶️ like you know when it comes to things like kids and partners like you know like tip

⏹️ ▶️ has been always very respectful of my time whenever i whenever i need time she lets me take it and and

⏹️ ▶️ that’s that’s always fun and she takes you know she works too and so i give her time and you know you know

⏹️ ▶️ we go well you know we’ll be together for you know the morning and the evening and lunch and then you know

⏹️ ▶️ in between we’ll both be working on stuff um when there’s a kid in the house is a

⏹️ ▶️ little bit different obviously you know usually at least one of us needs to usually

⏹️ ▶️ be especially when when the kid is young at least one of us usually is playing with

⏹️ ▶️ the kid or managing the kid in some way and that’s challenging if you both have

⏹️ ▶️ work to do and that’s something you know you kind of have to work out with your spouse and figure out a good balance there

⏹️ ▶️ and also you know if the kid is home and you are home

⏹️ ▶️ they’re going to run into your office sometimes and show you stuff that’s just how kids work and

⏹️ ▶️ you can’t really expect them not to do that because they’re just kids and so you kind kinda have

⏹️ ▶️ to be prepared for that and try to find ways and obviously like school

⏹️ ▶️ makes us much much easier and try to find ways where you can get work done when the kid

⏹️ ▶️ isn’t home and yet school is a godsend for this like that’s when i get this is why

⏹️ ▶️ in the summertime i get way less work done than during the school year

⏹️ ▶️ and there’s a few reasons for that but that’s that’s probably the biggest reason is that like in the school year

⏹️ ▶️ we are forced to wake up early every weekday and then after an hour of rushed

⏹️ ▶️ craziness we then have a long time in the house and that we can get all of our work done until

⏹️ ▶️ mid afternoon when the other stuff can then happen you know once

⏹️ ▶️ once the kid is home so school is awesome for this otherwise i have no

⏹️ ▶️ useful tips john this is the most pertinent for you because this is newest for you

⏹️ ▶️ so what what have you guys been doing it’s not really new for me because my very first job out of college was a telecommuting

⏹️ ▶️ job oh that’s true that’s true and you’ve been working from home for a while so i’m working for home for

⏹️ ▶️ all of my jobs that i’ve ever had in various amounts ranging from a hundred percent to probably not

⏹️ ▶️ less than fifty percent for voting them um so i think when you think about

⏹️ ▶️ you know this question alone focus time for working on app development or whatever and relationships

⏹️ ▶️ you would think that this is a task of like i have to

⏹️ ▶️ you know talk to my spouse and family like can just come to an arrangement

⏹️ ▶️ an agreement and there is that like communication isn’t important in talking about it with the other people in your house is portant

⏹️ ▶️ but i think the one of the important things that is easy to miss is a self knowledge

⏹️ ▶️ knowing what kind of person you are what you know how are you most productive

⏹️ ▶️ how do you like to work how much time does it take you to ramp up to whatever task that you’re doing

⏹️ ▶️ does it literally take you an hour before you get into the zone when programming ah you know how quickly

⏹️ ▶️ can you task which if you get interrupted how much of a loup does that throw you for all the way down to the type

⏹️ ▶️ of thing of like having the self knowledge to know whether you are more productive

⏹️ ▶️ or less productive when people aren’t in the house some people are

⏹️ ▶️ way more productive as people leave the house some people get antsy when no one one’s

⏹️ ▶️ in the house right like it depends on you your personality trade like and noting they’re bothering you

⏹️ ▶️ just literally like art in the house right you have to know sort of what

⏹️ ▶️ how you work right and it’s sometimes difficult to know that until you’ve tried you maybe think i would love it when

⏹️ ▶️ no one’s in the house and it’s nice and quiet and then everyone leave the house like finally i can get the purging done you find you cannot

⏹️ ▶️ concentrate that may be teaching you that you’re not the type of person who becomes more productive when everybody leaves or

⏹️ ▶️ you may not have realized you’re that type of person until suddenly the school year starts and your kids aren’t there and your wife’s out

⏹️ ▶️ of the house for the morning and you’re like wow so productive what changed about this morning knowing how you work

⏹️ ▶️ we’ll let you figure out how you have to arrange things if you are the

⏹️ ▶️ type of person who needs that long ramp up time you should arrange your life so you have these large blocks where

⏹️ ▶️ you can do that and don’t even attempt to time slice in a twenty minute development thing between

⏹️ ▶️ tasks but you have to know that about yourself right um

⏹️ ▶️ are you the type person who works well you know going out to sit in front of the wal

⏹️ ▶️ mart or on a park bench or whatever like maybe you don’t know you never tried it try it and

⏹️ ▶️ find out and base like don’t like don’t commit to a plan ahead of time and then beat yourself up because like i said i was going

⏹️ ▶️ to do this for these hours these hours and it’s not working and figure out why try a bunch of different things and

⏹️ ▶️ you know introspection look into yourself figure out what works for you what works and what

⏹️ ▶️ doesn’t and then figure out your schedule around that and the final thing that i say is this is a trait that

⏹️ ▶️ is common to many programmers and is probably true of nick ah when we get into

⏹️ ▶️ the zone and we’re working on a problem and we almost have it fixed of course you want

⏹️ ▶️ to finish it of course you want to make the commit of course you want to push the commit of course you want to like just get

⏹️ ▶️ over the finish line this is where you run into trouble because no programmer wants to stop in the middle

⏹️ ▶️ of a thing that they just figured out the solution join they’re almost about to solve but that’s where you

⏹️ ▶️ have to be firm with yourself and say like whatever boundary we set with the agreement like five o’clock

⏹️ ▶️ it’s family time or whatever sometimes you have to stop in the middle no

⏹️ ▶️ figure out some version control stuff you know put it put it in a stash like make make a commit

⏹️ ▶️ and then like amend it later or whatever like whatever you have to do from a technical perspective but be

⏹️ ▶️ ok with the idea that you’re not always going to be able to get

⏹️ ▶️ satisfaction and it’s so hard when you’re like you especially if

⏹️ ▶️ you’ve just cracked the problem and now it’s just you know a simple matter of programming to bang it out or whatever oh but

⏹️ ▶️ it’s dinner time just give me twenty more minutes and twenty minutes turns into forty five minutes that is not a formula

⏹️ ▶️ for a happy household that is not a formula for a happy you so prepare ahead of time

⏹️ ▶️ to you know regardless of how you are as a person where all we all want to finish the problem condition

⏹️ ▶️ yourself to figure out how you can be ok with stopping in the middle when it goes against every fibre

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⏹️ ▶️ john you recently traveled and you rented

⏹️ ▶️ a car so hard to rent cars because you can rent a thing but can you rent a car well you can rent

⏹️ ▶️ an suv so easy that all they have but like when they have like the

⏹️ ▶️ categories of what kind it used to be like i’m sold enough i remember and i as like what car like type of car would you like

⏹️ ▶️ to rent you can rent a compact car mid size car full size and what they meant is compact midsize

⏹️ ▶️ and full size sedan like that’s all you could rent that’s how old i am right now if you want a

⏹️ ▶️ sedan you have to like say what category has none as you reason it’s so hard to find anyway

⏹️ ▶️ no but even then you can’t because like when you i’ve this unto me ever since this few times were

⏹️ ▶️ like you know if i’m going like on a trip and i want to rent a car i’ll usually pick whatever is like the premium sedan

⏹️ ▶️ option i want a gal let me get like a nice car you know cadillac escalade is what you’re

⏹️ ▶️ going to get and so what what those categories say on the website is yeah you’ll get like you

⏹️ ▶️ know like maybe like you know you know a nice hand maximum or something like that what they actually mean

⏹️ ▶️ is price category that’s what they mean and so what they mean is cheap car

⏹️ ▶️ less cheap car more expensive car and so and they consider it

⏹️ ▶️ totally routine and normal to substitute other cars of the same

⏹️ ▶️ price category with whatever you order and the act like they’re doing you a favor so when i booked the car

⏹️ ▶️ what i actually get oftentimes is hey we upgraded you

⏹️ ▶️ to this s u v and if if i’m like well can i not do that oh this is all we have that’s

⏹️ ▶️ it so you’re stuck with it like okay well i mean thanks but that’s not what i wanted yeah i mean if

⏹️ ▶️ you start hard enough or you specify you can usually get a san but anyway that’s what i wanted on my trip as i wanted to and i want as close

⏹️ ▶️ as i can get to my honda accord as i can surprise the press and of course you can’t get a honda corp which is kind of dumb

⏹️ ▶️ because i don’t know why rental or fleets don’t have a cord it’s not like they’re not plentiful but they don’t often see them i’m

⏹️ ▶️ sure somebody has anyway i got a camera which is like a plus plus exactly what you wanted like

⏹️ ▶️ that is the equivalent of an accord it is a mid size full size type sedan it is not an

⏹️ ▶️ suv it is so rare to find i mean obviously it’s not stick shit but let’s be realistic here

⏹️ ▶️ um so i was pretty happy and like well you know and you never know what you’re going to get until you get there it’s like

⏹️ ▶️ oh here you go it’s a camera and i’m like hey pretty good that is you know that’s as close as you can get without going

⏹️ ▶️ over to getting at a court basil reference that maxima would have been fine as well and the car was for

⏹️ ▶️ the most part fine my wife drove it because we were in her hometown area she knows where

⏹️ ▶️ everything is i drove it a little bit too but she mostly drove it she immediately hated it you know like

⏹️ ▶️ we’re very similar in this way she seems often to have even

⏹️ ▶️ more vital at viser hatred of automatic transmissions again neither of us in our married

⏹️ ▶️ life together has ever owned a car that does not stick shift i keep telling

⏹️ ▶️ her that it is possible to have a good automatic but the camera doesn’t have a particular automatic so she was like boy i can’t wait

⏹️ ▶️ to get back to my car and i don’t like this car but you know it’s a camera it’s a big machine whatever

⏹️ ▶️ um yeah and it wasn’t it wasn’t particularly fun to drive or anything like that but it got the job done but most of

⏹️ ▶️ my complaints about the camera when writing it i had to do with the infotainment because that’s you know she’s driving that’s my

⏹️ ▶️ job to wrangle the infotainment and this is the first car that i have ever like used used as had in not just been in for

⏹️ ▶️ two seconds that has car play so i was excited to try carplay not wireless carplay von dutch

⏹️ ▶️ is wire car play um and as as margo casey now because i was talking about it

⏹️ ▶️ in our like a neutral slack channel with the other car enthusiasts for this whole

⏹️ ▶️ like you know week long vacation i was trying to figure out one problem

⏹️ ▶️ of having to do with car play that i never did get solved despite all the suggestions

⏹️ ▶️ and i thought i would throw it out on the podcast in case someone can tell me what the deal is right plug in your phone

⏹️ ▶️ to it throws up the map you know does the carplay thing we were just using apple maps for directions and stuff

⏹️ ▶️ and apple maps the the friendly present apple maps would say you know uh

⏹️ ▶️ take exit twenty five and one mile or whatever with the voice prompts

⏹️ ▶️ but that voice was so loud like ear splitting loud

⏹️ ▶️ like so loud that the kids would like stop make it stop turn off the directions it was so

⏹️ ▶️ loud you’d think this would be an easy problem to solve for me being a carplay

⏹️ ▶️ novice and like maybe this is just something i don’t understand about carplay so we tried all the things that you

⏹️ ▶️ can imagine i tried the volume knob on the dash bourgas i was just a plain old volume knob in the camry didn’t do

⏹️ ▶️ anything i tried the volume on the phone didn’t do anything i tried looking for settings in the car couldn’t finally i tried looking for

⏹️ ▶️ settings on the phone couldn’t find anything relevant casey’s suggestion and many other people’s suggestion was you

⏹️ ▶️ have to adjust the volume while the audio was is playing because otherwise it thinks you’re adjusting the volume

⏹️ ▶️ of like the music that you might be playing but you ought to adjust the volume of the voice so do the volume adjustment

⏹️ ▶️ when the voice is speaking nope didn’t make any difference tried all the volumes things

⏹️ ▶️ on the phone any kind of settings the knobs when the thing is playing had no

⏹️ ▶️ effect whatsoever the only thing we found that relieved this agony was using google

⏹️ ▶️ maps because the google maps voice was slightly more quiet it was not as ear splitting still

⏹️ ▶️ couldn’t adjust the volume in any way and i and it was still loud but not as loud

⏹️ ▶️ and this can’t be the way the world works right like this can’t like if you have

⏹️ ▶️ a camera this is this is a twenty twenty two camera right this cannot be the status

⏹️ ▶️ quo on the twenty twenty two camera that sorry there is literally no way to control the volume of

⏹️ ▶️ the voice that reads your directions when you’re navigating through through an app on your phone

⏹️ ▶️ joss could not figure that out and it boggled my mind and it really made me dislike

⏹️ ▶️ this car a lot aside from the driving things on the other weird thing i mean this is just personal preference

⏹️ ▶️ whatever the seats felt like venus fly traps they were eating meat

⏹️ ▶️ i was in the passenger seat which usually doesn’t have the same number of adjustments as the driver’s seat

⏹️ ▶️ on these cheaper cars and you know so it was all manual and maybe it was lacking some adjustments but like the main

⏹️ ▶️ thing i wanted was the thing that tilts the seat bottom right so it’s either you know like either a flat

⏹️ ▶️ like a parallel with the ground would be completely flat and then usually you can tilt the seat bottom up so it tilts these

⏹️ ▶️ seats were tilted so far up and as far as i could tell i had no way to adjust it down

⏹️ ▶️ that i felt like i was like sliding backwards into a terrible pit so uncomfortable that

⏹️ ▶️ is all for your lower back yeah i mean you could adjust the seat back angle like you could do that to try to

⏹️ ▶️ make it better but in order for me to feel comfortable i’d have to be laid back so far that i’ve been looking through the rear

⏹️ ▶️ window like it’s just you know that that’s maybe the seats feel comfortable with other people

⏹️ ▶️ and i think the drivers seat did have more adjusting but it was weird but anyway the carpeting i couldn’t figure out so someone knows

⏹️ ▶️ the secret solution to adjusting the volume of the voice on a twenty twenty two camera

⏹️ ▶️ using wired car play and the latest version of ios with apple maps i would love to hear it so

⏹️ ▶️ real time follow john can you cook the link i put in both the slack and in the um in the

⏹️ ▶️ chat room is a twenty second youtube video is this what you were working with because i don’t know what the inside

⏹️ ▶️ of a modern camera i mean that’s not that doesn’t look like it i recognize the software but the

⏹️ ▶️ dashboards around that’s not the twenty twenty two camera that we run right well so in there if you look at about ten seconds

⏹️ ▶️ in in the menu you can go to setup and then there’s a voice section and voice volume and

⏹️ ▶️ there is an adjuster in there no that was i mean i looked through the settings a lot and this was not

⏹️ ▶️ there i would love for it to have been there but this this menu item was not there maybe i needed a software update

⏹️ ▶️ that could also be possible because it is a rental car or whatever but i think we did have the audio item as i remember

⏹️ ▶️ clicking an audio a lot thinking surely it’s got to be here but there was no voice i will remember this isn’t voice not audio

⏹️ ▶️ i know but there was no voice item i would have gone into voice for sure if it was there all right i mean i did

⏹️ ▶️ a quick google just to see if i could you know somehow shame you with an answer but unfortunately not

⏹️ ▶️ no for the record on both my car and errands on my volkswagen and errands volvo

⏹️ ▶️ i am ninety nine point nine percent sure that if you twist the volume knob

⏹️ ▶️ as the the announcement is happening it will adjust the announcement

⏹️ ▶️ volume i am almost certain of it i mean it probably does work that another crisis on this one we

⏹️ ▶️ got i’ll make this anonymous but for anonymous person who works for a car company said this

⏹️ ▶️ the iphone sends navigation prompts as nominal unattended audio the car system should

⏹️ ▶️ allow for volume control so that just in terms of the responsibility the car the phone sends the

⏹️ ▶️ audio and is really up to the cars like entertainment system to adjust that audio so

⏹️ ▶️ i guess that focuses your efforts on don’t bother trying to do it on the phone that’s probably not going to work it’s got

⏹️ ▶️ to be somewhere in the car invitation system and you know i’m willing only willing to believe this is

⏹️ ▶️ you know user error maybe something about how i set up the phone with car play was wrong as there was this you know when you plug in

⏹️ ▶️ the phone that puts up this prompt or whatever and who knows what i tapped when we were in the airport parking lot but isn’t it just two questions

⏹️ ▶️ it’s like do you want to use for car plus no and like do you want to see your contacts oftentimes like that’s maybe those are the questions

⏹️ ▶️ mean member yes no it were just i believe one of them is whether or not you allow carplay use

⏹️ ▶️ while the phone is locked because i believe one of the things you can do is say it will not connect

⏹️ ▶️ to car play until you have actively unlocked the phone that that is a thing that you could turn on

⏹️ ▶️ yeah this voice things got to be the solution in this video i it just we didn’t have

⏹️ ▶️ that menu item on the left hand menu we had a similar version of software it looks kind of the same and i

⏹️ ▶️ recognized like the those horizontal buttons home audio map apps like ah

⏹️ ▶️ it just i mean this is not the car we were in cause you know our screen was above the vents and you know with totally different

⏹️ ▶️ volume knobs right so maybe this is changed in later versions or earlier versions or maybe the firmware needed

⏹️ ▶️ to be updated or something but i’m glad to know that there apparently is a way to do it it just was not in the thing

⏹️ ▶️ that we had it was very frustrating so what did you think of car play other than the excessively loud

⏹️ ▶️ announcements i mean that that really super did ruin it because the main thing you’re using it for is you know

⏹️ ▶️ i mean we had the overcast icon and every word exactly listening to podcast um i mean i mean it’s great like i would love

⏹️ ▶️ it on my next car like it’s you know i’m not against carplay i’m for it it’s just it was very weird and

⏹️ ▶️ one more thing um let me find a while you’re looking i’m surprised that both of you wanted

⏹️ ▶️ audio announcements because in it i almost never use audio announcements

⏹️ ▶️ and this is actually even better apple watch users oh i almost never know wouldn’t how you can keep your eyes on the road

⏹️ ▶️ if someone friendly voice tells you on to turn well so a couple of things first of all generally speaking

⏹️ ▶️ if i’m traveling somewhere unknown it’s typically with aaron and typically whoever’s not driving will also

⏹️ ▶️ be you’ll have a much keener eye you get live you get live performances actually yeah

⏹️ ▶️ i guess that’s a good point i guess i ultimately am getting the intent stop from carplay i didn’t think that one but um

⏹️ ▶️ but no even if i’m by myself generally speaking i’ll just i’ll glance down at the map from time to time

⏹️ ▶️ also if you’re an apple watch user which last i heard i thought tina was then it will tap

⏹️ ▶️ you incessantly and repeatedly when you’re coming up to a turn we i thought that’s a bit over

⏹️ ▶️ dramatic man that’s only with apple maps though ah that’s good point that is a good point that is only with apple at we were

⏹️ ▶️ using apple maps maybe i mean she was wearing a watch maybe it was buzzing i just didn’t you know it’s not on my wrist

⏹️ ▶️ so i didn’t feel it well it would only be buzzing if you were using her phone for for car place that maybe that’s it

⏹️ ▶️ too because i think probably half the time probably had my phone plugged in just because i’m managing the infant

⏹️ ▶️ another thing this this is another weird one like this dashboard it had a

⏹️ ▶️ lot of glossy black plastic which is kind of out of fashion because it collects fingerprints but there’s

⏹️ ▶️ this like lag time for uh for car manufacturers to figure out that people don’t want piano by plastic everywhere anymore

⏹️ ▶️ so it was a fashion trend for many years hopefully it’s fading now but anyway there was a lot of this plastic um

⏹️ ▶️ and what they decided to dedicate dashboard space for so they had the big screen in the middle

⏹️ ▶️ and the vents and stuff like this that look at this picture and the chatter look at the size of these

⏹️ ▶️ items here i should have put something in it for scale but like to the left of the screen right that’s

⏹️ ▶️ like several inches long that passenger airbag light maybe there are other warning

⏹️ ▶️ lights on that thing but that’s a big that’s a big control to have

⏹️ ▶️ to the right of the screen on the dashboard you can see the seatbelt lights blowed

⏹️ ▶️ or whatever and the thing that baffled me about this is it was the opposite of and granted i only get honda

⏹️ ▶️ so i don’t know what other cars like but is the opposite of any car i’ve ever owned where um for people

⏹️ ▶️ to know there is a safety feature of modern cars where if there is a child

⏹️ ▶️ in the passenger seat the car will disable the passenger air bags so that doesn’t kill the child because passenger

⏹️ ▶️ air bags have to be sized to save an unbelief adults because we live in a stupid country where

⏹️ ▶️ people don’t wear their seat belts so the explosion is very powerful and it can kill a child right so

⏹️ ▶️ if there is weight on the passenger seat but that weight is not as heavy as a you know

⏹️ ▶️ a full size expected adult human the passenger airbag will be disabled and normally is a light somewhere

⏹️ ▶️ in your dashboard that will tell you hey just so you know the passenger airbag is currently disabled they don’t

⏹️ ▶️ tell you why but you just have to know that its disabled because it thinks there’s a kid there so if you put a bag of groceries in the seat very often

⏹️ ▶️ you’ll start the car you’ll see little passenger uh you know passionate airbag disabled well

⏹️ ▶️ look at this picture i just posted what is this trying to tell me oh that is really

⏹️ ▶️ crummy you that our huge experience here in architecture i think it’s saying

⏹️ ▶️ that there is not a car seat there and so the passenger airbag is indeed

⏹️ ▶️ on not i can tell you as a spoiler i’m sitting as a full size adult in the

⏹️ ▶️ passenger seat when this thing is on right the entire time on the entire trip that

⏹️ ▶️ light is on so it’s the it’s the everything okay siren right i think what it’s

⏹️ ▶️ telling me is hey just so you know the passenger airbag is enabled because we have

⏹️ ▶️ determined your big fat adult and it’s okay to blow up this explosion in your face right but it

⏹️ ▶️ never goes off it it’s a big light and it’s bright and it is prominent on the

⏹️ ▶️ dashboard and so it’s like basically saying everything’s okay the passenger airbag is on you

⏹️ ▶️ are an adult everything is okay and it never goes off and i’m like who designed this cause like i said

⏹️ ▶️ every other car i’ve been in you see a light persistently when it’s off but in the normal

⏹️ ▶️ situation either nobody in the seat or an adult sized person in the seat there’s no light

⏹️ ▶️ right and so i don’t know what the total designers worth maybe every tote is like this i don’t know

⏹️ ▶️ where they were thinking with the prominence of this display i don’t know what they were thinking of the infographics and i don’t know if they

⏹️ ▶️ were thinking with the decision to have the light on all the time as opposed to the reverse super

⏹️ ▶️ weird so i mean not that i was ever in the market for a camera anyway but this is some

⏹️ ▶️ weird decisions it’s almost a shame you didn’t get the the forerunner which by though i’m seeing tons of forerunners

⏹️ ▶️ everywhere now that i know what they look like they’re just so gross in person i wonder if it has the same

⏹️ ▶️ thing almost all modern toyota and lexus is lexie are hideous like not bm

⏹️ ▶️ w hideous but hideous he’s a nice looking he lexus models but i don’t know about that

⏹️ ▶️ i haven’t seen him this the toda was the used to be the f r s but now it’s the g eighty

⏹️ ▶️ six that’s true that’s true that one’s pretty good not the super though that’s gross i

⏹️ ▶️ don’t think the super is that bad and so bad it’s like a melted snow fish i don’t like it it’s just so

⏹️ ▶️ aggressively ugly