656: A Long T-Shirt
10 Sep 2025The iPhone event! Reactions and analysis of the iPhone 17, 17 Pro, and Air; the Apple Watch Series 11, SE 3, and Ultra 3; and the AirPods Pro 3.
Episode Description:
- 🗣️ It’s St. Jude time again! 🗣️
- iPhone event
- Post-show:
- Apple trade-in
- ✨ Tina’s dream has come true! ✨
- Members-only ATP Overtime: Apple’s competing implementations for the new Siri
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Chapters
- Donate to St. Jude
- Design is how it works
- AirPods Pro 3
- Sponsor: Grammarly
- Apple Watch Series 11
- Apple Watch SE 3
- Apple Watch Ultra 3
- Sponsor: DeleteMe (code ATP)
- iPhone 17
- iPhone Air
- iPhone 17 Pro
- OS and app updates
- Buying choices
- Ending theme
- After-show
Donate to St. Jude
⏹️ ▶️ Marco So, are we doing an all follow-up show today?
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Yeah, I think we’re doing all follow-up. There’s no particularly important news. And maybe, you know what we should do is we
⏹️ ▶️ Casey should just dedicate this entire show to St. Jude. We should just do that. That would actually be better. I mean, there’s nothing else to talk about.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey That might be better. It’ll probably make us happier, actually. I’m happy. Are you not happy? I’m happy,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey asterisk. But we’ll get there. But since I brought it up,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey let’s just talk about St. Jude and not to make it sound like an obligation, because it isn’t. We’re proud to talk about St. Jude,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey but let’s get out of the way. Normally we would do a three-hour monologue about all the important
⏹️ ▶️ Casey things that St. Jude does and all the reasons why we love that organization so much. And in the interest of time,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey because I’d like to go to bed today, I’m going to make this reasonably quick and just
⏹️ ▶️ Casey remind you that September is Childhood Cancer Awareness Month. And since the first relay in ATP
⏹️ ▶️ Casey for our St. Jude campaign in 2019, we’ve raised over $4 million as a community. And the
⏹️ ▶️ Casey overwhelming majority of that was people directly attributing it to Relay. But we want to add even more to
⏹️ ▶️ Casey that total. And hey, every one of our listeners, that’s you, can be a part of helping us achieve that. How
⏹️ ▶️ Casey can you do that? Well, you can send a little bit of money St. Jude’s way. You can do that for all sorts of important reasons.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey You can do it because they give medicines away for free. You can do it because they
⏹️ ▶️ Casey try to do clinical trials in countries that don’t have a lot of resources. You can do it because they
⏹️ ▶️ Casey work with genetics to figure out how chemotherapy could be better tailored for
⏹️ ▶️ Casey people of any sort of cancer and even a second cancer. Sometimes it comes back, which is even more terrible.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey And here’s the thing. We’d really love it if you could donate to St. Jude in this
⏹️ ▶️ Casey time of Childhood Cancer Awareness Month. We want to give these children
⏹️ ▶️ Casey the opportunity to have more tomorrows. And I love that tagline so much. And so we’re going to briefly talk
⏹️ ▶️ Casey about the Marco offset because if not now, then when? But before we get there, I will just remind you,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey please go to stjude.org.atp, S-T-J-U-D-E.org.atp, and whatever
⏹️ ▶️ Casey you can afford, be that a dollar, be that $10, be it $100, $1,000, $100,000, we’ll take a million, that’s fine, but wherever you are
⏹️ ▶️ Casey on that spectrum, please do what you can, stjude.org.atp. And now
⏹️ ▶️ Casey is the time that we remind you there is a way to absolve yourself from the guilt of rampant
⏹️ ▶️ Casey consumerism and wasteful consumerism, which is what at least two-thirds and maybe three-thirds of this
⏹️ ▶️ Casey podcast we’d be participating in. So, Marco, what is the Marco offset?
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Marco Mattardi So Apple just announced a whole bunch of new stuff. We all want most of it, right? Well, some of it at least.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco And some of us are going to be replacing devices that we don’t really necessarily need to replace,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco maybe. They still work. We just want the new hotness. How do you absolve yourself of your consumerism
⏹️ ▶️ Marco guilt? I’ll tell you how, by donating to St. Jude. Now, how do you know how much to donate
⏹️ ▶️ Marco to St. Jude? So here’s what you do. Now in the past, I’ve said, take the base, the
⏹️ ▶️ Marco base model of the things that you are ordering. And whatever you go
⏹️ ▶️ Marco on top of that for like your total, including storage upgrades, uh, tax, you know,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco cases, Apple care, whatever the total is. Subtract out that base price. And then whatever you’re left with
⏹️ ▶️ Marco is your Marco offset, which is how much you should donate. Now I’m going to modify it a little bit. Ooh,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco this is the time when everybody announces new things and, and, you you know, pushes the boundaries and adds 20% more
⏹️ ▶️ Marco battery and stuff like that. So here’s what we’re gonna do. You’re not gonna take the base price of
⏹️ ▶️ Marco the thing you select. So for example, if you selected the iPhone 17 Pro Max, you’re not gonna take the base price
⏹️ ▶️ Marco of the iPhone 17 Pro. You’re gonna take the base price of the cheapest thing in
⏹️ ▶️ Marco the family that was announced today, which is the iPhone 17. The iPhone 17 base price is 799.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco So whatever you’re gonna do for your iPhone, whatever the total is after you check out,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco tax, you know, shipping, if you pay for that somehow, like all, you know, the storage
⏹️ ▶️ Marco upgrades, the cases, the, you know, everything, whatever you, whatever your total is for your iPhone, you’re going to subtract $7.99
⏹️ ▶️ Marco from it. And that difference is the suggested minimum donation
⏹️ ▶️ Marco that you make to St. Jude if you can, if you get a new Apple watch, well, the Apple watch SE3 was
⏹️ ▶️ Marco announced today at just $2.49. So subtract whatever you’re paying for your watch,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco subtract out $2.49. And that is your new Marco offset. AirPods
⏹️ ▶️ Marco is only one thing announced, so go ahead. Whatever you want on that, tax, you know, cases, I don’t know,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco whatever you will do with that. But for phones and watches today, I’m pushing
⏹️ ▶️ Marco the bar up very slightly today. So please consider having that be your minimum donation to St. Jude.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco If you can’t do it, we understand. This is not like a law written in stone. But if you can do it, this is what we
⏹️ ▶️ Marco suggest that you start with as your consideration. Thank you very much.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Indeed. So one final reminder, stjude.org.atp, S-T-J-U-D-E.org.atp.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey John, anything to add or shall we just carry right along?
⏹️ ▶️ John I was watching the leaderboard. Normally we have like a very wealthy listeners who are up there like usually beating us on the leaderboard, but I
⏹️ ▶️ John wonder if everyone’s waiting for the podcast-a-thon this year to send their big donations. But anyway, keep in mind we are watching the
⏹️ ▶️ John leaderboard and I did see a couple names that I recognized that I know are like long-time ATP listeners. I don’t want to read
⏹️ ▶️ John their names on the air if they didn’t want to be outed like that. but if you want to participate in the, you
⏹️ ▶️ John know, get to the top of the relay leaderboard, just put like ATP in your name or
⏹️ ▶️ John put an asterisk or something. I forget what people do. They use an asterisk to make fun of Casey because he put an asterisk one year or something.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Well, they’re not showing the comment field on the leaderboard anymore. Because I put the Unicode snowman in mine
⏹️ ▶️ Marco to see if it would work,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John and they’re just not showing them anywhere.
⏹️ ▶️ John Anyway, you can always email us and let us know that you want to be, you want to participate in the ATP top
⏹️ ▶️ John donor thing. Again, this is not just a competition among people with lots and lots of money. Like that’s just a fun side show. We’re trying to show
⏹️ ▶️ John people like being generous. People who have a lot should give a lot, but even if you have very little,
⏹️ ▶️ John you get a dollar, $5. Like it is just, find a way to give something
⏹️ ▶️ John during this month. If you can do that, we’d really appreciate it.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Yeah, and I don’t think I’ve mentioned this month. I feel like it went unsaid and I shouldn’t have felt that way, but whoever
⏹️ ▶️ Casey the top donor is, If you would like a ATP stickers, let me know, reach out.
Design is how it works
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Alright, let’s talk the Apple event and it started with
⏹️ ▶️ Casey a beautiful quote from Steve Jobs, design is not just what it looks like and feels like, design it how it works.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey How perfect, isn’t it gentlemen?
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Oh, this hurts so much. Because like, okay, first of all, like, you know, it’s been a long time,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco but we all still miss Steve. So you have to be very careful when you, when, especially
⏹️ ▶️ Marco when Apple invokes the name of Steve Jobs. That’s something to be done almost
⏹️ ▶️ Marco as carefully as invoking the term one more thing in a keynote, which was a Steve Jobsism. But
⏹️ ▶️ Marco they use that cautiously with good reason. There haven’t been a lot of uses of one more thing since Steve
⏹️ ▶️ Marco passed away. Using Steve Jobs quotes is a bold move.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco And to use a quote about design is not just
⏹️ ▶️ Marco what it looks like, but it’s how it works. As they release
⏹️ ▶️ Marco a redesigned operating system that seems like it’s made entirely by people who have
⏹️ ▶️ Marco never heard this quote and don’t believe it or don’t understand it. It’s not great timing.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco If Steve were still with us, we would not have a lot of the problems we have with
⏹️ ▶️ Marco the software design. And we wouldn’t have to be complaining about this, but nevertheless, I don’t think this
⏹️ ▶️ John Yeah, it’s like a type of thing where it’s like, this can’t be a coincidence because this is exactly
⏹️ ▶️ John the opposite of reality. Of all the quotes that you could pick, like, it’s
⏹️ ▶️ John not like one of those things like, oh, Apple’s at the intersection of liberal arts and technology and whatever like that. You can just apply to anything. It’s kind
⏹️ ▶️ John of like a journal mission statement and no one really feels like Apple is no longer at that intersection. They’re always kind of
⏹️ ▶️ John combining those things. That’s just generic. But this is very specifically about the very
⏹️ ▶️ John specific thing that we all know is wrong with liquid glass, right? And to put that quote up,
⏹️ ▶️ John it’s either like, it’s either shows, you know, whoever picked that quote is essentially
⏹️ ▶️ John in denial about what liquid glass is, or they
⏹️ ▶️ John misunderstand the criticism and they think, hey, everyone who’s telling us we’re doing a bad job is criticizing
⏹️ ▶️ John how it looks. But how it looks doesn’t matter. It’s how it works. And that’s not to be clear.
⏹️ ▶️ John That is not the criticism. The criticism is not of how it looks. The criticism is 100% of how it works, which which is
⏹️ ▶️ John related to how it works, it looks because the looks are causing the problems with the functionality, but like it’s just
⏹️ ▶️ John such a exact denial of reality. It’s kind of like
⏹️ ▶️ John daring us to say, you know, it was very upsetting. And especially since
⏹️ ▶️ John double speak. Yeah, also it had almost nothing to do with the presentation because it’s not like the presentation leans super
⏹️ ▶️ John hard into liquid glass or anything. Like they were announcing a bunch of products. So whoever
⏹️ ▶️ John decided to lead with that quote, Like just, it just made me angry or, you know, or
⏹️ ▶️ John just like more pessimistic about the grasp on reality that the people
⏹️ ▶️ John who design these presentations have. And we’re not going to dwell on the presentation. We’re mostly just going to talk about the products this episode,
⏹️ ▶️ John but I couldn’t let this quote go because it is just such a sort of finger in your eye.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah. It shows like Apple’s not amazed. And this has been true for a while. They’re not amazing at reading the room. You know,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco they, they oftentimes will, you know, release products or announcements
⏹️ ▶️ Marco that just, that kind of, you know, miss the tone of what’s going on around them. And granted, you know, we, our
⏹️ ▶️ Marco little nerd circles don’t represent the entire tone. Obviously, like they don’t, especially with the iPhone event, like they
⏹️ ▶️ Marco really don’t give two craps about people like us at all. Like we are nothing to them, especially
⏹️ ▶️ Marco in the iPhone event.
⏹️ ▶️ John And by the way, on that topic, because this presentation happened before the general
⏹️ ▶️ John public sees Liquid Glass, we’re like, we’re the only possible thing they could be reacting
⏹️ ▶️ John to because the public hasn’t experienced it yet. So whatever the public is going to think about it, maybe they’ll love it. Who cares? Whatever. But right
⏹️ ▶️ John now when this presentation was made, this statement flies in the face of all the evidence
⏹️ ▶️ John of what’s actually happening with the people who are dealing with local glass.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I mean, in all fairness, just for the record, um, the beta has been out for a long time and many
⏹️ ▶️ Marco people who are not nervous developers install the betas. Um, and overcast currently today
⏹️ ▶️ Marco has 6.4% of people using iOS 26. iOS 26. Yeah,
⏹️ ▶️ John again, maybe not representative
⏹️ ▶️ Marco of the general public, but still. Agreed, But still, yeah, anyway, let’s move on to the fun stuff,
AirPods Pro 3
⏹️ ▶️ Casey The fun stuff. So I was very excited to see AirPods
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Pro 3 and this was foretold earlier today or maybe it was
⏹️ ▶️ Casey yesterday to be a very meh update. And if you’re to believe Apple, who obviously
⏹️ ▶️ Casey is going to market the snot out of this at this moment, if not any other, but if you’re to believe
⏹️ ▶️ Casey them, it sounds like it’s a really nice series of updates. So
⏹️ ▶️ John I wouldn’t characterize this as a meh because I feel like as we’ll go through all the things, but I feel like AirPods Pro 3
⏹️ ▶️ John seem like they’re better in all the ways that AirPods Pro can be better than their previous model.
⏹️ ▶️ John Like, it’s not just better in like one or two ways or just one special way that they’re really hyping. Like everything
⏹️ ▶️ John that these products does, it seems like from the presentation, the new ones will do better, which I was
⏹️ ▶️ John very surprised by what a big jump the 3s are over the 2s.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Yeah, and to be clear, I agree with you. I was just referring to like a day or two ago, they were,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey the rumors were, oh, it’s gonna be kind of a mint update. there’s not gonna be any ANC changes.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey It’s not gonna be much of anything. And I agree, I don’t think that’s what they delivered at all. I think they delivered a heck of a good series
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah, this to me, like when you look at, you know, what will have like the longest lasting impact
⏹️ ▶️ Marco from today’s announcement, it’s probably the AirPods. Like, you know, AirPods Pros change
⏹️ ▶️ Marco only every few years usually. Now we know there’s a rumor recently that there’s gonna be another one next year with infrared gesture
⏹️ ▶️ Marco cameras or whatever, who knows. But they change pretty slowly And they impact
⏹️ ▶️ Marco a lot of people a lot of the time. Like they’ve made a couple of claims that I thought were interesting.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco One of them they said, more people work out with AirPods Pro than any other headphones in the world. Now granted,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco you know, workouts are a custom type of thing and I’m not sure how they know like what people are using
⏹️ ▶️ Marco on other phones, but like AirPods Pros are really, really popular.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco You see them everywhere. I don’t, what we don’t know, I don’t think, is whether
⏹️ ▶️ Marco the AirPods Pros are more popular than the regular AirPods. You wouldn’t
⏹️ ▶️ Marco think they would be because they’re more expensive, but I think they might be. Like we, I don’t think we know
⏹️ ▶️ Marco that for sure, but these affect tons of people. And I think the AirPods
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Pros are possibly, if I had to like pick one of like, what’s the most amazing
⏹️ ▶️ Marco product Apple has made in the last X years, they would be pretty high on that list of consideration.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Cause they’re just so good overall. And what’s great about the Pro 3s,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco with the caveat that we haven’t actually gotten to try them yet, but believe me, I ordered some for day one, so
⏹️ ▶️ Marco we’re gonna see how they are in a couple of weeks, but they are
⏹️ ▶️ Marco very promising looking from what they’ve announced and shown off. Very much so. The
⏹️ ▶️ Marco additional noise cancellation is at least partially due to the fact that they have now filled
⏹️ ▶️ Marco some of the gaps in the ear plugs, the squishy parts, with foam. This should improve
⏹️ ▶️ Marco comfort for a lot of people, also if it works the way most foam-tipped earpods do, or earbuds,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco excuse me. So it’s probably gonna improve comfort. It will definitely improve the passive isolation,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco which will also improve ANC, just because there will be less to deal with. So that should be good. They were kind of
⏹️ ▶️ Marco unclear as to whether there are additional ANC gains besides the foam filling
⏹️ ▶️ Marco the ear tip cavity there. We’ll see. But even if there aren’t, even if that’s all it
⏹️ ▶️ Marco is, that’s still a good improvement. They bragged about better bass
⏹️ ▶️ Marco and soundstage. Bass, we know what that is. Soundstage, for those of you who aren’t audiophiles, means
⏹️ ▶️ Marco how wide it appears that the sound is coming from. Like,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco in terms of like, are you like sitting directly in between like a guitar and drums? That’s
⏹️ ▶️ Marco not a very wide soundstage. If it sounds like you are sitting like in an auditorium where the band is playing in front
⏹️ ▶️ Marco of you, that is a wide soundstage. And so that’s generally a good thing
⏹️ ▶️ Marco for headphones and it’s one of those things like really cheap, basic crappy headphones don’t do a good
⏹️ ▶️ Marco job of that and really fancy headphones do. So for them to improve bass and soundstage allegedly
⏹️ ▶️ Marco while also improving ANC, while also they also talked about how they scanned thousands
⏹️ ▶️ Marco of ears and did all these studies
⏹️ ▶️ John trying to figure out like. As Jason Snell snarkily points out in the chat room, this is the third time that Apple has probably
⏹️ ▶️ John announced that they’ve redesigned AirPods based on a large set of human ears. Yes. And I don’t actually snark at that because yeah,
⏹️ ▶️ John every time they change the shape of the things that go in your ears, they say
⏹️ ▶️ John we studied a bunch of years to do this. And I believe them because I think what happens is like they
⏹️ ▶️ John do a bunch of ear studies. They make a product that is always going to be a compromise between here’s the
⏹️ ▶️ John stuff we have to fit in the thing. Here’s the shapes of the human ears and here’s size,
⏹️ ▶️ John weight, uh, balance is all sorts of other factors that go into making it stay in your ears correctly. So
⏹️ ▶️ John every one they make is a compromise and every one they make has trade offs that they I’m sure study
⏹️ ▶️ John and say, okay, is this one falling out of people’s ears more than the other one or less than the other one? Is it our pressure point that we
⏹️ ▶️ John didn’t realize is on the old shape didn’t press on this part of the year, but the new one does and it turns out people
⏹️ ▶️ John don’t like this or whatever. So they’re always, always let’s look again at the year. Let’s look again at the shape.
⏹️ ▶️ John Let’s look again at the components and let’s try to do a better job in this time that stays in better is
⏹️ ▶️ John more comfortable. Um, you know, like doesn’t press on uncomfortable parts of all sorts of
⏹️ ▶️ John different ears. Like there is no correct answer other than something that is microscopic and
⏹️ ▶️ John magnetically floating in your ear that doesn’t touch any part of your ear, right? But they’re not there yet. So I believe
⏹️ ▶️ John them. Like they have to keep changing this. And I don’t have
⏹️ ▶️ John the pros, my wife does, but she rarely uses them, so I don’t see them that much. But these look significantly differently
⏹️ ▶️ John shaped, which doesn’t matter as much for the pros because the part that goes in your ear is the part that matters. And yes, they’ve changed it this time
⏹️ ▶️ John by putting foam in it, which is great. But the other part of this AirPod looks very different than the two. So is that,
⏹️ ▶️ John am I reading that right? Do you guys both have twos?
⏹️ ▶️ Marco know what they said? They said was that each of the actual pods is not only smaller than it used to be, but
⏹️ ▶️ Marco also has been reshaped.
⏹️ ▶️ John Yeah, they do. They look actually more like the fours now with like a weird foam tip on them.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah, which honestly, great. People seem to like those. You know, I hope they still fit me
⏹️ ▶️ Marco because the original AirPods didn’t.
⏹️ ▶️ John Yeah, that’s, you’re always rolling the dice because they do change them and you might’ve been lucky with the last one that was great for your ears,
⏹️ ▶️ John but they get unlucky with the next one.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah, we’ll see. But I love the AirPods Pro. They mentioned that they’ve improved
⏹️ ▶️ Marco transparency mode. What they said, the quote was, your own voice and people speaking to you
⏹️ ▶️ Marco will sound more natural than ever. I wonder what that means. Is that just like an EQ
⏹️ ▶️ Marco tweak or a processing tweak, or is it something like, one of the things that people are very sensitive to with their own voice
⏹️ ▶️ Marco being echoed back to them is latency. So if they are changing the processing in such a way that can reduce
⏹️ ▶️ Marco latency even further, which would be honestly very impressive because it’s already super low.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco That could account for that, but who knows? We’ll see what that means once we actually get these to use.
⏹️ ▶️ John I think your own voice is like the resonance in your own skull. Like they have to like reproduce that so
⏹️ ▶️ John that it doesn’t sound like you’re, that’s why people, when they hear their own voices on a recording, they think their voice sounds weird because
⏹️ ▶️ John they’re normally hearing it echoing through their own skull. So I wonder if they’re like simulating that or something. Oh, good
⏹️ ▶️ John Yeah, maybe. Yeah, we’ll find out what they, In other people’s voices, it might just be voice boost. But
⏹️ ▶️ John yeah, like so, as you noted, you kept saying A and C, but that’s active noise cancellation. One of the jobs
⏹️ ▶️ John of the AirPod Pro in this modern era is to be noise canceling, and they supposedly do that twice as well as they
⏹️ ▶️ John used to, which, and they used to do it, the old one, the AirPods Pro 2 was twice as good as the one before
⏹️ ▶️ John that. So noise canceling continues to get better. Is it just because of the foam? Like you said, Margaret, either way, it’s better.
⏹️ ▶️ John If they fit in your ears better, they’re lighter, they’re smaller, they’re more waterproof than they used to be. Now it’s IP 57. I
⏹️ ▶️ John don’t remember the details of what the IP things are, but hey, more waterproof than they were before, which is good.
⏹️ ▶️ John Longer battery life than before. Another important metric of this type of product going from six to eight hours
⏹️ ▶️ John with noise cancellation on, or 10 hours with transparency on. Like, and this is before
⏹️ ▶️ John we get to any of the new features. We’re just saying like AirPods, this is what they do. Now all the things they do, they do better.
⏹️ ▶️ John And the price stayed the same. So all that’s pretty good. But then
⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey what do they add?
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Can I jump in here? I wanna go back to what Marco was saying a few minutes ago
⏹️ ▶️ Casey that the AirPods Pro are arguably Apple’s best product of these days. We’ve
⏹️ ▶️ Casey been to this rodeo before, all three of us, and we’ve said it before, and AirPods in general, and AirPods
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Pro specifically, I couldn’t agree more, are probably my favorite Apple product. Like,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey obviously they wouldn’t really work or not in the same way without an iPhone, and I still think the Vision Pro, for
⏹️ ▶️ Casey all of its many problems, is the most amazing Apple product that I have in my personal repertoire.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey However, the one I get the most use out of and that integrates into my day more
⏹️ ▶️ Casey seamlessly than almost anything else is AirPods Pro 3. And, you know, I did buy a pair that I
⏹️ ▶️ Casey will hopefully be picking up while I’m in Memphis. And so I’ll be able to use them on the plane ride home.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey But I spent the 250 bucks plus tax. And on the one side, I thought,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey wow, that is a lot of money. But on the other side, for the amount of use I get out of my AirPods,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey it’s kind of a bargain. And I’ll tell you in one side of my mouth that the AirPods
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Max, whatever, what are the headphone things called? I’m drawing a blank. The giant ones, AirPods Max. Okay, so I did have
⏹️ ▶️ Casey it. Okay, so the AirPods Max. Anyways, those things are what, like 500 bucks or something like that, which is hilariously
⏹️ ▶️ Casey expensive. 550. Good grief, but-
⏹️ ▶️ John Way less expensive per unit weight though.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey But, so yeah, they’re pretty much twice, over twice the cost. And yet, if you told me
⏹️ ▶️ Casey that the only way to get AirPods was to pay 550 bucks, I would, first I
⏹️ ▶️ Casey would hold onto the ones I’ve already got, but if they broke, man, don’t tell Apple, this is just between us, but
⏹️ ▶️ Casey I’d pay the 550 bucks because holy crap, I use these things all the time and they genuinely make me so incredibly
⏹️ ▶️ Casey happy. So yeah, I know we have a little more to talk about with regard to the AirPods Pro. I don’t mean to sound
⏹️ ▶️ Casey like I’m trying to move on here, but they are such incredibly good products today. And I cannot
⏹️ ▶️ Casey be more excited about having AirPods Pro that allegedly, and I believe they said two times
⏹️ ▶️ Casey better ANC which implies the electronics are two times
⏹️ ▶️ Casey better. That’s leaving aside the foam portion.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Well, I think it includes both. And keep in mind, we also don’t know,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco what are they considering the metric here? Is the metric actual sound energy,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco which could be measured in decibels, which should only be like three decibels, maybe?
⏹️ ▶️ Marco That seemed like it would be the most straightforward way to measure things. But
⏹️ ▶️ Marco decibels are a logarithmic scale. we perceive things kind of logarithmically. And so
⏹️ ▶️ Marco it’s not like three decibel reduction, if that is what they achieved
⏹️ ▶️ Marco is not nothing, but that’s not gonna like radically put these into a different class.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco If they, you know, like if basically if the old AirPods didn’t block enough
⏹️ ▶️ Marco noise for you, the new ones will block more, but it probably won’t be
⏹️ ▶️ Marco as much as you think if what they’re measuring was basically decibels or sound energy.
⏹️ ▶️ John Well, I mean, this is all just a marketing term and there’s more to noise cancellation than just how much noise gets through. Like we’ve
⏹️ ▶️ John all had noise cancellation get sort of confused by some sound in the environment and
⏹️ ▶️ John not cancel it as well. Or like, it’s really good with like sort of drones like on an airplane, but trickier
⏹️ ▶️ John to pick out other noises especially like transient noises from constant noises
⏹️ ▶️ John plus people’s voices. So it’s a complicated, and how do you measure that? Two X, whatever, right? So it probably
⏹️ ▶️ John is just sound level, but since this is a marking turn, it may encompass more than that. But either way,
⏹️ ▶️ John like what they’re saying is like, they tried to make the noise cancellation better and hopefully it’ll
⏹️ ▶️ John be better in a way that you will notice.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah, it most likely will be better. And that’s what like, and it was already pretty
⏹️ ▶️ Marco good, especially considering how small they are and how they’re not big over ear headphones. So they, you know, AirPods
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Pro 2’s already had, I think class leading noise cancellation in terms of,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco you know, how much it was able to block out. And more importantly to me, and I think to most people much of the time,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco when it does wanna pass in external sound, like in transparency mode or in adaptive mode,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco they sound, like Apple’s transparency mode destroys everyone else’s in the industry. Like everyone
⏹️ ▶️ Marco else, they compete on noise cancellation. You know, you got Sony, you got Bose, you got like the little Google Buds and whatever else.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco They all do very well on, you know, active noise cancellation. That’s a pretty competitive field.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco But read every review that’s tried them both. Apple destroys them on transparency. And so, and
⏹️ ▶️ Marco many features that AirPods Pro have rely on that. So things like, obviously the actual
⏹️ ▶️ Marco walking around with transparency mode, but even things like the hearing health features. You know, if you’re using them as hearing aids,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco they’re basically constantly in transparency mode. That requires the transparency mode to be
⏹️ ▶️ Marco good and natural sounding. And with the AirPods Pros, even since the very first ones,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco when you put on transparency mode, like you just feel like you’re not wearing earbuds anymore.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco It doesn’t feel like a filtered, affected, delayed or processed version of the real sound. it
⏹️ ▶️ Marco feels like, oh, now I just took them out of my ears. And the really eye-opening or
⏹️ ▶️ Marco ear-opening part of this is if you wear AirPods Pro in transparency for a while,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco turn them off for a minute. Like go to the noise cancellation menu and select
⏹️ ▶️ Marco off as the mode. That’s what they actually would sound like if they were not feeding
⏹️ ▶️ Marco any sound into your ears. That’s like when you actually turn off transparency, like you just have these things plugging up your ears.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco That’s what you would actually hear. and you realize how good transparency is
⏹️ ▶️ Marco when you turn it off and you hear, oh, that’s what would be here otherwise.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco It’s remarkable. So anyway, so for them to say they’ve improved it even further, I don’t even know
⏹️ ▶️ Marco if I would notice it because it already sounds, in audio terms, literally transparent, which means you don’t notice it.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco So hey, this all sounds great.
⏹️ ▶️ John Oh, and also they’re giving you more tips in the box. They used to give you like a small, medium, and large. Now they come with five sizes
⏹️ ▶️ John from biggest to smallest to help improve that fit, which I think is a good idea. And you know,
⏹️ ▶️ John Apple adding things to the box, usually they don’t do for both, you know, environmental waste reasons, but also cost
⏹️ ▶️ John reasons, but hey, now you get more tips.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Yep, and they also adding, I don’t think we’ve mentioned, but they’re adding heart rate monitoring
⏹️ ▶️ John rumored new feature, and it turns out they’re doing it.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey This is only active during workouts, is I believe what they said. So presumably only when you’ve told
⏹️ ▶️ Casey like an Apple Watch or an iPhone that you’re actively doing a workout, that this will work. I don’t know that for sure, but
⏹️ ▶️ Casey that’s my assumption.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I believe that’s true. And I actually didn’t realize before this presentation that there
⏹️ ▶️ Marco is a way to have like an Apple workout without a watch. Like to be clear, this does not require an
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Apple watch at all, and in fact might replace an Apple watch for certain people for certain needs. I wouldn’t
⏹️ ▶️ Marco expect the heart rate monitoring in the AirPods Pro to be more accurate
⏹️ ▶️ Marco than the watch. And the watch is already not incredibly accurate. It’s kind of, you know, it gives
⏹️ ▶️ Marco you a ballpark. If you’re like a really serious running athlete, there’s like chest mounted
⏹️ ▶️ Marco things and stuff that are more accurate for that kind of use. The Apple Watch
⏹️ ▶️ Marco has never been like super accurate. Again, it’s more of like, give me a rough idea where I am.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco And chances are the AirPods Pro’s heart rate monitoring is gonna be also a rough
⏹️ ▶️ Marco idea. Maybe even a rougher idea than the Apple Watch based on other attempts at in-ear stuff from other manufacturers.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco And I believe Beats already has it. So don’t buy
⏹️ ▶️ Marco these if you want super precise heart rate monitoring as a killer feature for you.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco But it’s probably gonna be similarly valuable to the Apple Watch in those terms. And
⏹️ ▶️ Marco if you don’t have an Apple Watch and you don’t want an Apple Watch, this could be a good way to like, hey, give me some, I wanna
⏹️ ▶️ Marco go running or I wanna measure myself on a walk, let’s try this.
⏹️ ▶️ John Well, you got one more new feature that they showed, which is a live translation. Which is kind of not really an AirPods
⏹️ ▶️ John feature. I know it kind of is because it’s an integration, but like be clear, the translation is not happening on the AirPods.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Well, also it doesn’t require the AirPods Pro 3. It works on, I believe
⏹️ ▶️ Marco the two and up, and I think the AirPods 4, I
⏹️ ▶️ John The demo they showed was like someone in like a busy outdoor market. And like the challenging thing about any
⏹️ ▶️ John kind of live translation thing, setting aside the weird awkwardness and the delays and so on and so forth is,
⏹️ ▶️ John Can the thing pick out the voice that you’re, of the person you’re speaking to, or who
⏹️ ▶️ John is speaking to you amidst all the other voices going on in a crowded place? That’s the really
⏹️ ▶️ John difficult part. That’s a place where like cameras and, you know, some kind
⏹️ ▶️ John of image recognition, the new where you were looking and who you were looking at would help, but we’re not there yet. But anyway, this exists,
⏹️ ▶️ John you can try it. You know, you squeeze both of the things. When someone talks, it kind of
⏹️ ▶️ John decreases the volume of their voice and plays you back the translation that happened through,
⏹️ ▶️ John I don’t know if it’s a local model on your phone or if it’s sending it out, but either way, it’s yet another in a long line of real-time
⏹️ ▶️ John translation tools that now integrates with your iPods, which is neat, I guess.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah, that’s the kind of thing like, as, you know, I don’t travel that often, and when I do, it’s
⏹️ ▶️ Marco usually not to non-English speaking places, but when I do travel to non-English speaking
⏹️ ▶️ Marco places, I would find something like this invaluable, But I won’t
⏹️ ▶️ Marco be the first guy to do it. I am not confident enough
⏹️ ▶️ Marco to be Mr. AirPods translation before it becomes commonplace
⏹️ ▶️ Marco for people to do this while traveling. So I’m hoping, hey, everyone else go do this, please.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco So then I can feel more comfortable doing it when I need to.
⏹️ ▶️ John I feel like you’d have to wear a T-shirt or a sign or something that says, this is
⏹️ ▶️ John what’s happening here. My AirPods are trying to translate you, but it’s a, there’s a time delay and it’s
⏹️ ▶️ John muting your actual talking, which I can’t understand anyway. And then it’s playing back what it thinks you said
⏹️ ▶️ John after some delay. So if it looks like I’m just waiting after you talked and saying nothing, I’m waiting for my phone to like,
⏹️ ▶️ John it would be a long t-shirt, but it seems like you would have to have communicate
⏹️ ▶️ John with somebody first, let them know this is what’s going on because what they showed is like an idealized
⏹️ ▶️ John version with delays removed and with people who are understanding and accepting of what’s going on. But like normally when you talk
⏹️ ▶️ John to somebody, you don’t expect to have to wait for the invisible translator in their ear to
⏹️ ▶️ John translate what you said. You either understand you or they don’t. So yeah, like Marco said, I think there is a
⏹️ ▶️ John Now, people, there’s apps on your phone that do this, have been for ages. So but at least with the phone, they can kind of see on
⏹️ ▶️ John the phone screen, like the translation happening in real time. You kind of hold the phone between you and the person you’re talking
⏹️ ▶️ John and stuff like that. I don’t have any experience with this, but I’ve seen other people do it. So this is another step along that journey.
⏹️ ▶️ John but I’m not sure we’re at the destination yet.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah, and we’ll see how it goes. Like, how well does it actually work in practice? You know, Google and Android
⏹️ ▶️ Marco and other, and you know, apps have had this for a while, and you know, none of them have set the
⏹️ ▶️ Marco world on fire, but they’re all occasionally useful for, you know, a lot of people.
⏹️ ▶️ John Yeah, a lot of people do use them when they’re traveling. They’re imperfect, but they’re better than nothing.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Right, it’s better than just like yelling slowly in English at people.
⏹️ ▶️ John Yeah, or like flipping through a phrase book or something.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Right, exactly. you know, drawing, you know, let’s play charades or whatever. But,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco and yeah, you’re like, the social part here, I think, you know, they’re obviously relying on this, but,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco you know, it’s not the first time, you know, AirPods hearing aid features are also kind of relying on
⏹️ ▶️ Marco social movement in terms of how people perceive other people wearing AirPods. You
⏹️ ▶️ Marco know, so far, like most of the time of headphones existing, people have assumed that if somebody
⏹️ ▶️ Marco is wearing headphones, that they can’t hear you. and that maybe they don’t wanna be speaking
⏹️ ▶️ Marco to you or you don’t want to be spoken to. And what Apple is pushing forward with all these
⏹️ ▶️ Marco features is basically hoping or trying to break that assumption.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco To say, you know what, when you see somebody with AirPods, you can try talking to them or they can talk
⏹️ ▶️ Marco to you and you can assume that if they’re talking to you, they can probably hear you back. Like they’re trying to challenge that social
⏹️ ▶️ Marco norm. That’s a big thing to challenge, but they’re also not the only ones doing it. Like as
⏹️ ▶️ Marco you mentioned, the Android side of everything is also offering this with all of their high-end earbud type things now.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco And so I think it won’t be that long before people’s
⏹️ ▶️ Marco perceptions about headphone wearers have changed, because I think that if any of this
⏹️ ▶️ Marco works at all, it’s gonna become incredibly valuable to so many
⏹️ ▶️ Marco people that it will start becoming very commonplace. So I hope it does, and I think it will.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey The one thing that I thought was a little bit awkward about this, and I get it, There’s no real other alternative
⏹️ ▶️ Casey for it. But when it wasn’t two people having like a mutual conversation at
⏹️ ▶️ Casey the like dinner table or whatever that was, which was awkward in its own regard. But when
⏹️ ▶️ Casey the woman walked up to like the, the, the vendor or whatever it was, and the vendor
⏹️ ▶️ Casey is speaking to her and she just like holds up her phone as the way to respond,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey I intellectually get that. What do you, what else are you going to do? But I feel like that
⏹️ ▶️ Casey made me go like just socially. I felt like that was a very, uh, it made me uncomfy.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco People do that now with Google translate. Like that’s it. That’s not an uncommon thing. Like it’s not
⏹️ ▶️ Marco ubiquitous, but it does happen.
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Apple Watch Series 11
⏹️ ▶️ Casey right, moving on. Apple Watch. We got the compulsory sappy video, which was great
⏹️ ▶️ Casey as always, where we talked about how it saved our lives and so on and so forth. And I don’t mean to minimize
⏹️ ▶️ Casey that. I mean, it really is impressive technology, especially if it is something that could literally
⏹️ ▶️ Casey save your life. But we’re not here to talk about that. We’re here to talk about Series 11, which apparently has
⏹️ ▶️ Casey the S10 processor, which is breaking news. They did not have a new system on package, system
⏹️ ▶️ Casey on a chip, whatever you want to call it for this year, as far as we are aware.
⏹️ ▶️ John They didn’t announce it. There’s a Mac rumor story saying that they all have the S10. They did mention that the SE3 has the S10
⏹️ ▶️ John and we’re like, oh, that makes sense for the SE, but it seems like, again, we’re mere hours after the presentation that
⏹️ ▶️ John they gave up on the farce of changing the number on what is essentially the same chip and they’re just
⏹️ ▶️ John saying, yes, it’s got the S10
⏹️ ▶️ Marco again. Yeah, which by the way, is just about the same as the S9 as far as everyone can tell.
⏹️ ▶️ John Yeah, yeah. So maybe we’ll have more on it next week, but there’s that.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah, the Series 11 watch, it’s not a significant upgrade in most
⏹️ ▶️ Marco ways. Like you have to, I had to like pour through the compare pages and look up
⏹️ ▶️ Marco documents and see like, what are the differences? There’s not many. The biggest one for
⏹️ ▶️ Marco most people is gonna be the battery life, which is significant. Like they’ve raised it from an estimated 18 hours
⏹️ ▶️ Marco to an estimated 24 hours. So, you know, not only is that, you know, good on day one,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco but also one of the things that eventually kills the usefulness of Apple Watches for people after a few years
⏹️ ▶️ Marco is when the battery life has degraded over time such that it can’t really make it through their day very easily. That’s
⏹️ ▶️ Marco often what ends up requiring service or replacement of an Apple Watch. So to have
⏹️ ▶️ Marco really good battery life to start with on day one not only has the benefit of it’s great
⏹️ ▶️ Marco from day one, but also you can probably keep it for longer. And as we’re seeing, like
⏹️ ▶️ Marco these Apple Watch upgrades are not very big most of the time. You know, the Series 10
⏹️ ▶️ Marco and the Series 9 are about the same as the Series 11. There’s a very minor difference between those
⏹️ ▶️ Marco three. The Series before those, six, seven, and eight, also
⏹️ ▶️ Marco very few differences between those three models. So we’re kind of on a three year cycle
⏹️ ▶️ Marco with the Apple Watch, like really making like significant jumps. So for the battery
⏹️ ▶️ Marco to start out better is important and is meaningful. And that can make the difference, you know, Maybe
⏹️ ▶️ Marco some people who were possibly buying the Ultra just to get like the longest battery life,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco maybe now they’d be fine with a Series 11. So again, all good changes around the
⏹️ ▶️ Marco battery. Otherwise, the main differences seem to be that the Series 11 has
⏹️ ▶️ Marco 5G for its cell modem, and it has a more scratch-resistant crystal
⏹️ ▶️ Marco on the aluminum models. And that’s, I think, it.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Is there anything else that’s exclusive to the Series 11?
⏹️ ▶️ John So there’s the high blood pressure thing, which is
⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco not exclusive to the
⏹️ ▶️ John new thing, but it is a new watch feature. I mean, that’s like I said, that’s the thing about these health features is that they
⏹️ ▶️ John usually don’t, the ones they’ve built lately have not required lots of new sensors. So they take the existing
⏹️ ▶️ John sensors they have and say, what else can we get from them? And now it’s some sort of synthesis of high blood pressure
⏹️ ▶️ John and notifications about that. The interesting thing about the other one, you mentioned the scratch resistance. This will
⏹️ ▶️ John be a trend for this whole presentation. And I think it’s a welcome trend in that advances in technology,
⏹️ ▶️ John you know, in like basics of the devices they make, this year
⏹️ ▶️ John seemed to be shared across all the products. And one of the big ones that you’ll see in essentially every single product they announced
⏹️ ▶️ John that has a piece of glass is this new, two times more scratch-resistant coating, which they talk about
⏹️ ▶️ John multiple times in multiple ways. And as far as I can tell, it’s all the same thing. It’s like a new
⏹️ ▶️ John ceramic coating from their glass vendor that is more scratch-resistant than before. but they didn’t just put that on
⏹️ ▶️ John the pro-est of pro models, just everything with glass gets it, which is refreshing.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah, that is really nice. I like where they’re going with the health stuff, like the hypertension
⏹️ ▶️ Marco alerts, that’s good. I do wonder what’s keeping them
⏹️ ▶️ Marco from going a little bit further with that, because there’s other, like I know Whoop,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco the Whoop band, that’s a competing wearable, they have nightly blood pressure readings.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco They do it every night and you can look in the morning and you can see what was my blood pressure yesterday or overnight. So
⏹️ ▶️ Marco we know the technology exists in similar wearables to do that. I don’t know
⏹️ ▶️ Marco why Apple’s not doing that yet. I’m sure they have their reasons, but I look around too,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco like, okay, as I was just saying, the Apple Watch barely changes like every three years.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco You look around the wearables market today, you have stuff like Fitbits at
⏹️ ▶️ Marco the kind of lower end, you have things like Whoop at the medium to high end, You have
⏹️ ▶️ Marco the Aura ring, the rings, you have all these different things that are expanding
⏹️ ▶️ Marco the wearables market by serving roles or physical
⏹️ ▶️ Marco manifestations or other features that the Apple Watch doesn’t serve. And I don’t
⏹️ ▶️ Marco see Apple really caring to push into those markets ever. Like the new Apple Watch SE
⏹️ ▶️ Marco is just, it’s nice, we’ll talk about it in a minute, but it’s still basically an Apple Watch.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco And there’s all these other markets of wearables that are doing similar kind of activity tracking and things like that. Like if Apple
⏹️ ▶️ Marco brought some of their tech to, they could do a great job with a cuff, a ring,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco something else. They could do a wonderful job with that kind of thing. And they just don’t
⏹️ ▶️ Marco seem like they wanna serve those markets, which is fine.
⏹️ ▶️ John I think they’re approaching it from all sides though. Like, don’t you think they’re approaching it from like the watch side,
⏹️ ▶️ John the phone side, the AirPod side, the glasses side, from the six year timeline or whatever we
⏹️ ▶️ John read last time. Like, you’re right that they’re not diving into those other markets, but I think they see on their roadmap
⏹️ ▶️ John that like we are going to, we have them surrounded. Like we’ve got things in your ears. Soon we’ll have things on your eyes.
⏹️ ▶️ John We’ve got your phone in your pocket. We’ve got your watch on your wrist. Yeah, if we came out with a whoop thing that you could put like anywhere
⏹️ ▶️ John on your body, we could do something now, but we’ll get there eventually. So I give them some leeway
⏹️ ▶️ John because I think their strategy is sound in terms of like, let’s do form factors.
⏹️ ▶️ John I mean, setting the glass aside, we’ll see how that goes. Let’s do form factors that we know are popular on their own merits. and
⏹️ ▶️ John essentially we established like base camp on people’s bodies where we can just start adding sensors. Like as
⏹️ ▶️ John soon as they can conceivably put not just the IR sensors as is rumored, but like cameras and stuff on your AirPods
⏹️ ▶️ John or cameras in your glasses. And so like, I think they’ll get there eventually. The main complaint I hear people about
⏹️ ▶️ John the Apple Watch is that like the Apple Watch itself in the realm of watches is not
⏹️ ▶️ John really pushing the envelope too much, but they are making it better year to year. Even those three-year runs that you said where they’re
⏹️ ▶️ John not really that different, There’s tiny improvements such that if you could, if you had the choice between
⏹️ ▶️ John the first or the third, you should always take the third because like the screen’s a little bit brighter or it’s a little bit bigger, or the battery life’s a little bit better,
⏹️ ▶️ John even if they all had fresh batteries, right? So I think the Series 11, you know, it’s just a spec bump
⏹️ ▶️ John year and that’s fine. Some new watch bands with reflective threads in them or whatever,
⏹️ ▶️ John not a big deal. But if you were getting a watch right now and you had a choice between a Series 10 and a Series 11
⏹️ ▶️ John for the same price, I would definitely recommend the 11.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Oh yeah, I mean the battery life alone would be, would be worth that,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John that, you know, that threshold. What was
⏹️ ▶️ Marco the old battery life by the way? They claim 18 versus 24 hours. Yeah,
⏹️ ▶️ John so that’s a significant difference. And I do wonder if they got like, considering the S10 is the same, is it just
⏹️ ▶️ John like the screen takes less power? Like maybe it’s a little bit better screen or maybe they’re being smarter about
⏹️ ▶️ John doing the sensing stuff, which is also maybe why the blood pressure thing is just alerts and not like measuring it more.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco the phrase they used in the presentation was They quote, re-engineered the battery.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Now, maybe this, you know, they also changed out the cell modem. So I wonder if, you know, going to a 5G modem.
⏹️ ▶️ John brag about their battery chemistry.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco No, but they all, they mentioned with the modem, the cell modem, that 5G is
⏹️ ▶️ Marco more efficient than LD, which it can be. I’m guessing that they kind of
⏹️ ▶️ Marco got more space in the case by, you know, some shuffling up of the cell modem, maybe.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco But I don’t know. Maybe they’re using different battery chemistry, who knows? But somehow they got
⏹️ ▶️ Marco a significant bump in battery life that seems like it’s not just software tweaks. It is some kind of hardware change.
⏹️ ▶️ John Oh, they also added an illegible new watch face to celebrate liquid glass. Finally, something that
⏹️ ▶️ John is appropriate for a liquid glass. Yeah, it should be watch face that you can’t read.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I laughed out loud when I saw that in the video. I’m like, of course, that’s perfect. You can’t read the time. Great.
⏹️ ▶️ John If you haven’t seen the video, they make the time out of like liquid blobs, but the shapes of the letters are
⏹️ ▶️ John kind of abstract made out of like sort of triangles and semicircles and blobs and stuff. So it actually
⏹️ ▶️ John is kind of difficult to say, is that a one or a seven or a nine? Perfect. Chef’s
⏹️ ▶️ Marco should scroll random photos behind it. That way you really can’t see.
⏹️ ▶️ John Exactly. Right. That’s what they should have the front of the thing instead of a quote. That really shows what liquid glass is.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey All right. So it’s coming in black, silver, rose gold, and a beautiful new space gray, because it wouldn’t be a new Apple
⏹️ ▶️ Casey product if you didn’t have a weird new space gray. way. Titanium will be available in natural gold and
⏹️ ▶️ Casey slate. The Nike sport bands now have reflective threads on them.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey All in all, this looks good to me. I don’t think that there’s anything earth shattering and I would have been more
⏹️ ▶️ Casey keen on it had they not done what I am glad they did, which is backport a lot
⏹️ ▶️ Casey of these new health features, including sleep score, including high blood pressure or hypertension notifications.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey I’m very happy that that’s coming back a fair bit. And some of these are coming back like several years in terms
⏹️ ▶️ Casey of models that are compatible. But Series 11, it looks good. Like I think it was John just said,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey if you’re looking to get one and the new battery life will be great, but as someone who has a Series 10, this
⏹️ ▶️ Casey certainly doesn’t seem like a necessary upgrade for me. And I would argue, depending on how old your watch is and how good your battery
⏹️ ▶️ Casey is at this particular moment in time, it’s probably a pass for most people
⏹️ ▶️ Casey that already have an Apple Watch.
⏹️ ▶️ John Yeah, if you’ve got a Series 10, you can set it up.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah, I would say if you have an eight or older, go for it. If you have
⏹️ ▶️ Marco a 9 or a 10, you’re not going to notice much.
Apple Watch SE 3
⏹️ ▶️ Casey All right, Apple Watch SE3. This is a lot of the same. It’s basically
⏹️ ▶️ Casey bringing it up to be more peer to the other watches. It now has an always-on display. It’s getting 5G cell.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey It’s getting gestures, so the double tap, the wrist flick, all that stuff. Sleep apnea and sleep score, 18-hour
⏹️ ▶️ Casey battery life, and fast charging, which is apparently two times faster than the previous SE, available
⏹️ ▶️ Casey only in starlight and midnight. And that’s pretty cool.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah, I think this is good for when you need a cheaper Apple Watch for some reason.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco You know, if you’re getting it for somebody who like really doesn’t care like a kid, you know, like about some of
⏹️ ▶️ Marco the more advanced features, fine. If you are a nerd listening to our show
⏹️ ▶️ Marco and you are buying this for yourself, just get the Series 11.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco If you have to save up longer to, you know, budget for it, it’s worth it. But if you are really
⏹️ ▶️ Marco looking for a very basic Apple Watch, go for it. This is fine.
⏹️ ▶️ John And this SE won’t be changed probably for a few more years. So if you do want to get an SE, like this would
⏹️ ▶️ John be the year to get it because next year it’s probably not going to be changed. And the year after that, it probably won’t be changed. Like the SE
⏹️ ▶️ John is not on an every year update cycle. So be aware of that. So
⏹️ ▶️ John good as the SE is ever going to be compared to the rest of the line, probably. Oh, and during this segment, by the way, they did
⏹️ ▶️ John say, one point the presenter said, not Not only did we update the SE and series
⏹️ ▶️ John this year. They didn’t say the SE, we updated SE and series. Anyway, weird to hear them refer
⏹️ ▶️ John to the non-SE, non-Ultra watch line as series.
⏹️ ▶️ John Not only did we update SE and series, you updated series? Like if they
⏹️ ▶️ John don’t have a good way to refer to that watch, the regular Apple watch is how we refer to it. But anyway,
⏹️ ▶️ John Apple do this themself with their name.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah, they would never refer to that. I do love whenever we get like little glimpses Apple’s internal
⏹️ ▶️ Marco lingo that does not make a ton of sense to the outside world.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Like blow away being used as an adjective.
⏹️ ▶️ John What are we going to do about series this year? They say that in meetings and it makes sense to them, but they say
⏹️ ▶️ John it in the outside world and it sounds weird. Very much so.
Apple Watch Ultra 3
⏹️ ▶️ Casey All right, so Apple Watch Ultra 3. This is what I thought I was going to buy last year because we all knew it was definitely
⏹️ ▶️ Casey coming out last year, right? Right? But anyways, Apple Watch Ultra 3. This
⏹️ ▶️ Casey has a fancy new screen, a wide angle OLED, and they mentioned LTPO3, which is an
⏹️ ▶️ Casey acronym I’ve heard before, but I couldn’t remember what the heck it meant. John, can you give me a two-second tour of what that means?
⏹️ ▶️ John I had to look it up because these, I know it’s low temperature something or other, but it’s low temperature polycrystalline oxide,
⏹️ ▶️ John which is a combination of of LTPS and IGZO.
⏹️ ▶️ John Anyway, we’ll link in the show notes if you wanna read about it, but it’s a better screen. And the interesting thing about this is
⏹️ ▶️ John it has actually a different resolution than the old Ultra. So they made the screen a little bit bigger, getting closer to
⏹️ ▶️ John the edges, and that little bit bigger adds pixels. Not a lot of pixels, but the resolution is different. So if you’re a
⏹️ ▶️ John watch dev, be aware that you are seeing more information on the screen. And I think, I have a question
⏹️ ▶️ John mark in this because I haven’t gone back and reviewed it. I think they said it’s like 3D printed titanium.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco on the bento box, it says 3D printed case.
⏹️ ▶️ John Oh. Yeah, so I think that, doing some interesting, a lot of their interesting manufacturing things they do, like on the
⏹️ ▶️ John watch, it’s like a small scale way to mess with it. And I think they were touting it as
⏹️ ▶️ John being more recycled, but anyway, it looks the same as it did before. It’s made of titanium. The
⏹️ ▶️ John screen is a little bit bigger. It’s got the satellite connectivity that was rumored where you can, although
⏹️ ▶️ John I meant to look this up as well. So they said like satellite connectivity, obviously for the SOS thing that’s included for free.
⏹️ ▶️ John and I’m not sure if it’s free forever, free
⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco for three years, but anyway.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco They said emergency SOS, free for two years, which again, so do we know
⏹️ ▶️ Marco yet? Because now it’s been more than two years
⏹️ ▶️ John since we’ve- They keep kicking the can down the, every time it comes due, they kick the can down the road and say, oh, it’s still free,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco But didn’t Satellite launch with the iPhone 14? Yeah,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey they just today, I don’t think I can put my hands on the news article I saw, but today I read that
⏹️ ▶️ Casey they have kicked the can on the 14 another year. Oh, actually, Jason in the chat was kind
⏹️ ▶️ Casey enough to put it, put the link in there for us. We’ll put it in the show notes. So thank you, Mr. Snell.
⏹️ ▶️ John And then they said, uh, so there’s that, but then there’s also the satellite thing where you can do more than just SOS,
⏹️ ▶️ John where you can send like messages and stuff. And that’s the feature that most people care about for this is like, Hey, what if I’m out of
⏹️ ▶️ John cell range and I’m not dying, but I just want to text somebody. Can I do that? And that is apparently
⏹️ ▶️ John available if you have an active cellular plan. Yes. I think that’s what the slide said, which is weird because cellular
⏹️ ▶️ John is not related to satellite. I guess the hardware you need to communicate is fine, but the cell
⏹️ ▶️ John towers that you were talking to are not in space. I
⏹️ ▶️ Marco wonder if somehow the carriers pay for that. I’m not sure how that works.
⏹️ ▶️ John Maybe it’s, yeah, maybe it’s, I don’t understand. But anyway, that’s what they put on the slide. But anyway, this is the change for the,
⏹️ ▶️ John why would you want the Ultra 3 instead of the Ultra 2? Better screen, slightly bigger screen, satellite connectivity.
⏹️ ▶️ John The 3D printed titanium, I don’t think you’ll notice. Oh, and 42 hours of battery life, which is supposedly up from what it used to be.
⏹️ ▶️ John But anyway, it’s a better Ultra.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah, you know, the ultra really has not changed a ton since it was introduced, but it’s similar
⏹️ ▶️ Marco to the series watches. Um, it changes in these little tiny incremental ways when it does change.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco And, and those are welcome, even though it’s not like, you know, a massive thing in most ways. I think in this case, the
⏹️ ▶️ Marco big story is that satellite communication. Like that’s, that is the big story for the ultra three.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Um, not something that everybody will need, but something that could come in handy if you do. Um, so that’s, that’s great.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I do kind of like the ultra like it launched with you know a big splash big success you saw
⏹️ ▶️ Marco them everywhere I see a lot less of them these days I wonder like did the fad of
⏹️ ▶️ Marco people who are not like ultra you know people like just wearing them because they look cool did that
⏹️ ▶️ Marco fad die in smartwatch land like because for a while like you saw that that first
⏹️ ▶️ Marco year you saw everybody wearing Apple watch ultras now you know it seems like maybe it’s more
⏹️ ▶️ Marco people who were actually on the mountains?
⏹️ ▶️ Casey I think there’s some truth to that. But I can tell you amongst my peers, my local friend group,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey a handful of them, two or three of them, got ultras sometime last year. And they did that, I think, for
⏹️ ▶️ Casey a couple of reasons. Number one, they had gotten maybe an ultra one, or at this point, they had found a deal on the ultra
⏹️ ▶️ Casey two or something like that. But I think all three of them, if I recall correctly, did this
⏹️ ▶️ Casey almost exclusively because of battery life. And I don’t think any of them were in a position
⏹️ ▶️ Casey that they couldn’t make it through a day with a series watch, but it was always on the edge and that’s
⏹️ ▶️ Casey how it is for me. Like I can make it through a day, but I’m on the edge at the end of pretty much of every single day.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey And I think they just wanted to not freaking care about battery life anymore. And certainly
⏹️ ▶️ Casey when the Ultra is new, you don’t have to care about battery life or certainly not in the same
⏹️ ▶️ Casey way. And I mean, they’re saying the Ultra 3 is 42 hours of battery life. I mean, that’s bananas. It’s almost
⏹️ ▶️ Casey double what the series watches offer. So I don’t think that,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey or I should say, I think you’re right. That the fad portion of it did die down, but
⏹️ ▶️ Casey I wouldn’t say that it’s exclusively like ultra marathoners that are using them now I’m seeing them on regular people’s wrists
⏹️ ▶️ Casey just because they want a better battery.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah. Fair. I would also, I would suggest that, um, you know, this is maybe a hot take.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I think the ultras have some of the best straps. Now I, you know, I just cheat and, you know, sometimes just
⏹️ ▶️ Marco use an ultra strap on my series 10. Um, you know, I mentioned last time I used the, um,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco titanium Milanese, uh, most of the time this summer and it’s great. I love it. Um, but certainly
⏹️ ▶️ Marco like, it doesn’t look exactly like a match on the series 11 or series 10, it looks a
⏹️ ▶️ Marco lot better on an actual ultra, but, uh, I do, I do like the ultra bands. They’re really cool.
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iPhone 17
⏹️ ▶️ Casey All right, then 30 minutes in, I think pretty much on the nose, we get to the iPhone
⏹️ ▶️ Casey and we are told by Tim, there are four new models to meet the unique needs of our users.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey And we were largely emceed with this from Kyan Drance, who we usually get to see for this.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Uh, we start with the iPhone 17 available and I don’t have the list in front of me and shoot, I took terrible notes. I didn’t have a chance
⏹️ ▶️ John lavender, which is kind of a pinkish purple, sage, which is green, mist blue,
⏹️ ▶️ John white, and black. Oh,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco if you’ve seen any non-pro iPhone colors in the last three or so
⏹️ ▶️ Marco years, you will be utterly unsurprised by how these look. It’s like, yep,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco blackish, whitish, light purple, light green, light blue.
⏹️ ▶️ John Okay. And they’re pretty good. Like the 16 colors are pretty good. Like they’re
⏹️ ▶️ John not as like saturated this year, but you won’t be confused. Is this the green one?
⏹️ ▶️ John You can tell it’s green.
⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco Same thing with all the other colors, right?
⏹️ ▶️ John And the white and the black are just straight up white and black. Remember those years where they kept doing a white that was like dishwater
⏹️ ▶️ John white? They would never just
⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco make it white. Starlight and
⏹️ ▶️ John midnight. But even before that, sometimes they would have a white one that was like, is this really white or is it kind
⏹️ ▶️ John of like silvery white? And just, you know, so anyway, they’re even just called white and black. So you
⏹️ ▶️ John have mist blue, but then the white and black are just white and black. But anyway,
⏹️ ▶️ John these, I think, we’ll get to the pro color, the pro color singular in a little bit,
⏹️ ▶️ John but I think that the 17 continues to have the best colors in the lineup,
⏹️ ▶️ John which is a low bar admittedly. Oh, I definitely
⏹️ ▶️ Marco disagree with that.
⏹️ ▶️ John Well, there’s the most diverse variety, you’re more likely to find something that you like in the 17 because
⏹️ ▶️ John you have lots of different choices.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I think you’re more likely to look at the 17 lineup and find something that you think is fine.
⏹️ ▶️ John Yeah. Oh, because it has the most fun color, it’s got three, two boring colors, white and black, but still
⏹️ ▶️ John people like white and black and they’re pure white and black. And then it’s got blue, green, and purplish pink. It’s pretty good.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco They’re fine. I do think it’s very interesting that when introducing the iPhone 17, the
⏹️ ▶️ Marco very first, I forget, was it Kayan Trans who introduced it? Yep. The very first thing Kayan talked about
⏹️ ▶️ Marco were the colors. Like, there’s nothing about the specs or anything else. The very first
⏹️ ▶️ Marco thing is, here’s the colors. And I think that shows this is what people care about, which is true.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Like, you know, when you’re introducing the iPhone 10,000, like we’ve already seen
⏹️ ▶️ Marco what iPhones are for so long. And so one of the very first things we want to know is what does it look like?
⏹️ ▶️ Marco And here’s some cool colors. Like that, I know it kind of, it probably drives certain nerd types
⏹️ ▶️ Marco like us, like a little bit nuts that, you know, like, what do you, it doesn’t matter. It’s just the color. It’s, you know, talk about the specs,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco but like, no, that’s what people care about. That’s what I care about. Like, what are the colors? I’ve had iPhones before. Now,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco instead of my, you know, my fine colors from last generation, I can have my fine colors from this generation.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey You know, it’s funny. This reminds me when we bought Aaron’s car a little over a year ago when
⏹️ ▶️ Casey we were first engaging with the salesperson. I think this was true of multiple different dealerships and multiple different salespeople.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey They immediately wanted to know what exterior color we needed. And when I said, you know, we really don’t
⏹️ ▶️ Casey care. We were actually more particular about the interior color. And they were like, wait, what? Usually that’s
⏹️ ▶️ Casey the only thing anyone cares about is what the exterior color is. And I think that that’s It’s kind of the same here, so
⏹️ ▶️ Casey I’m right there with you.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah, and the funniest thing about this with the iPhone is that almost
⏹️ ▶️ Marco everyone puts cases on their phones. And so it
⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John almost doesn’t
⏹️ ▶️ Marco matter what the color of the phone is for most people, but you still care. You see it
⏹️ ▶️ Marco in the ads, you see it in the stores, you’re still like, ooh, I want the purple one or whatever. You still care about that. And the funny thing is,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco which we’ll get to in a second, there’s actually some huge upgrades in the iPhone 17, like
⏹️ ▶️ Marco massive new awesomeness that it has that the 16 did not. but that
⏹️ ▶️ Marco was all secondary to here’s the new
⏹️ ▶️ John colors. But it looks just like the 16. Like, we’ll get
⏹️ ▶️ John to the measurements in a second, but like you’d be forgiven for thinking, oh, so they didn’t actually change anything about it, the external
⏹️ ▶️ John case. No, they did, but it’s in ways that you would never notice.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey exactly. To that end, we’ve got an additional two millimeters in height against the iPhone 16.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey We lost 0.1 millimeters width, and we gained 0.15 millimeters
⏹️ ▶️ John just enough to make sure that the cases don’t fit from the 16.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey No, God, that’s true. I didn’t even think about that.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey, John You’re right. I
⏹️ ▶️ John mean, that’s not why they did it, but like, it looks just like the 16, but it’s not just like the 16.
⏹️ ▶️ John So it’s a little bit different.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey The screen is actually a little bit bigger. I don’t think I realized that. Did they mention that? And I totally blanked. They
⏹️ ▶️ John did mention it. And that, so those things, the things that you just read, particularly the two millimeters of height, right? Like there’s,
⏹️ ▶️ John it is a different size screen, probably with different margins around it or whatever. It’s 6.3 versus 6.1 in the 16.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco and the biggest news to me for this phone, always on and promotion.
⏹️ ▶️ John It finally happened, spoiler alert, since we’re talking about the least of the phones that was announced, the Plane 17.
⏹️ ▶️ John The Plane 17 gets promotion and always on display and all the other ones do too. So if you’re
⏹️ ▶️ John wondering, when is Apple gonna stop this bifurcation in their line where they give promotion to only the most expensive phones,
⏹️ ▶️ John when will they just put it on all their phones? This is the year.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah, I did not have that on my bingo card. I really did not expect this. This is great.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah, 3000 nit peak outdoor brightness. Obviously that depends a lot on heat,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco as we know from using phones in the sun, but that’s really good. The same
⏹️ ▶️ Marco ceramic shield as we were talking about with the Apple Watch, like the same new super strong glass.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Only on the front glass on this one. They talked about it in the future phones, it’s on both sides, but here it’s only in the
⏹️ ▶️ Marco front glass. Pretty, like that’s an amazing screen
⏹️ ▶️ Marco upgrade for the non-pro phone to finally get always on promotion. That’s huge.
⏹️ ▶️ John 3000 nits peak brightness outdoor, which is, I think, even more than the old pro thing. Like when we talked
⏹️ ▶️ John about the prediction episode last step, last episode, we took predictions about this event.
⏹️ ▶️ John We said, yeah, the seven team will get promotion maybe always on screen. And it did get that. So
⏹️ ▶️ John it’s the best case scenario and the brightness like it’s.
⏹️ ▶️ John They didn’t talk about any heat dissipation stuff or whatever. But like this really seems like essentially as
⏹️ ▶️ John good or better screen. that was as was on the 16 Pro, which you would think would happen every year. Like, oh, well, you have
⏹️ ▶️ John a year and there’s a pro thing. And the next year, the pro features trickle down. But Apple had been stopping that from
⏹️ ▶️ John happening for so long. Now, on that front, one of the things that we did talk about is still not yet
⏹️ ▶️ John confirmed. How much RAM does this thing have? We don’t know. Seems like
⏹️ ▶️ John like after we recorded last week’s episode, the rumors kind of switched volume
⏹️ ▶️ John and people said, actually, the 17 won’t be 12. It’ll just be eight. And
⏹️ ▶️ John I don’t know what the 17 has, but it seems like the rumors are leaning more heavily
⏹️ ▶️ John towards it having eight instead of 12, which fine, whatever. That’s my one disappointment in the potential
⏹️ ▶️ John specs. Again, we don’t have confirmation from Apple because they don’t like to talk about that, but if it has eight gigs, oh well.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey You know, this looks real good. And we’re also starting to learn more about Ceramic Shield 2,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey which they said has three times better scratch resistance. Music to my
⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey Jennifer Mann.
⏹️ ▶️ John I believe you can defeat it.
⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey And also- I’m sure I can.
⏹️ ▶️ John We talked about this last week too, it was kind of a vague, like, I don’t know, maybe. Seven layer anti-reflective
⏹️ ▶️ John coating. They didn’t mention this for the watch. So I think the watch doesn’t have it, but every phone has
⏹️ ▶️ John this. And this presentation was weird in that they would talk about a feature with the
⏹️ ▶️ John introduction of a product and then casually mention a similar feature with future products. And you’re like, wait, is that
⏹️ ▶️ John the same one that you spent seven sentences on earlier? Or is it a different, lesser one? But as far as I’m able to determine,
⏹️ ▶️ John This anti-reflective coating that we mentioned as a possibility in the last episode is on all the phones.
⏹️ ▶️ John And I don’t know what it’s gonna look like or people will even notice, but this, you know, again, this year they’re doing it,
⏹️ ▶️ John everything, everybody has ceramic shield too, at least on the front glass. Everybody has the anti-reflective thing. Everyone has always
⏹️ ▶️ John on display. Everyone has promotion. It’s a good year for sharing of technology.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Which I am so here for. One of the things that I particularly whined about incessantly in years past
⏹️ ▶️ Casey was particularly when the camera systems were quite a bit better on the big phones and not as good on the regular
⏹️ ▶️ Casey size phones. And I am really, really happy when Apple does exactly what they’re
⏹️ ▶️ Casey doing here, what you said. They’re sharing the same tech, or as far as we can tell, it’s the same tech across all of these
⏹️ ▶️ Casey different devices. And yes, there’s differences here and there, but broadly speaking, a lot of
⏹️ ▶️ Casey the same tech is going across every device, which I’m really excited about. They specifically said the
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Ceramic Shield 2 has hardness to protect from everyday scratches, which again, sign
⏹️ ▶️ John Yeah, we’ll see. You gotta tell us about your phone side. When you get this one, Casey, you’re the true test because you are scratching the hell. You
⏹️ ▶️ Casey not put a- I’ve had this debate with myself. Should I put a screen protector on or
⏹️ ▶️ John Not put a screen protector on it and
⏹️ ▶️ Casey see. Because how else can you tell? Yeah, I don’t know if I’m willing to make that trade, but we’ll see. This gets the
⏹️ ▶️ Casey A19, which is a three nanometer process, a 16 core neural engine, six core GPU,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey excuse me, CPU, two performance for efficiency, five core GPU, and there are now neural
⏹️ ▶️ Casey accelerators in each GPU core.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Now what’s interesting about the A19 too, like this, so I was doing some research earlier
⏹️ ▶️ Marco on Amazon and going through spec sheets. We have three phones or three phone families
⏹️ ▶️ Marco that all have A19 based things. The 17 has the A19, 17 Air or the Air rather, there’s no 17, just the
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Air has the A19 Pro and the iPhone 17 Pro also has
⏹️ ▶️ Marco the A19 Pro. But the two A19 Pros on the next two phones
⏹️ ▶️ Marco are not the same. And the A19 in the regular phone
⏹️ ▶️ Marco and the A19 Pro in the iPhone Air are very similar to each other.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco So it’s actually, it took a lot of digging to try to figure out what is the difference
⏹️ ▶️ Marco between these three processors at all? Like, that like the iPhone Air’s version of
⏹️ ▶️ Marco the Pro processor doesn’t seem like the Pro. And so as far as I can tell,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco All three phones have the same number of processor cores. They have the same
⏹️ ▶️ Marco neural engine, it seems, and the same GPU cores, but
⏹️ ▶️ Marco the two bottom phones have five GPU cores and the Pro phones have six
⏹️ ▶️ Marco GPU cores, but the middle one’s still called Pro. And so what that seems to be is they mentioned
⏹️ ▶️ Marco it later in the introduction of the A19 Pro, they mentioned they had increased like the L3 cache
⏹️ ▶️ Marco that lets the A19 Pro perform a lot better and more efficiently than the A19.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco That seems to be present in the version of it that’s in the Air. So
⏹️ ▶️ Marco that’s what A19 Pro seems to mean, is it has an additional cache for the processor
⏹️ ▶️ Marco cores. Nothing else appears to be different between the iPhone Air’s
⏹️ ▶️ Marco version and the iPhone 17’s version of this chip. So this is the problem of
⏹️ ▶️ John Apple not giving tech specs, because like I said with them saying features in different parts of the presentation
⏹️ ▶️ John and wondering if that’s meaningful. When they talked about the A19 Pro, they said a bunch of stuff about
⏹️ ▶️ John the CPU cores. They didn’t say about it when they introduced the A19. Does that mean the A19
⏹️ ▶️ John doesn’t have them or did they just not say it? We don’t know, but like things like the, I forget what it is. When we get down to that section, we’ll
⏹️ ▶️ John have notes on it, I’ll read them. But like, it’s unclear from the presentation whether, like Marco said,
⏹️ ▶️ John whether these were all basically the same thing with just, they’re just binned and clocked differently or whatever, or whether there really
⏹️ ▶️ John is like a difference in the CPU cores. Like once they, so we get like die shots of these people start testing them, we’ll find
⏹️ ▶️ John out. But still, like from what we can tell from the presentation, this is a year where the
⏹️ ▶️ John difference between the pro and non-pro phones isn’t particularly large. And
⏹️ ▶️ John so then again, it’s a good year for the non-pro phones.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Exactly, yeah. Like if you’re in the market for the regular 17 and you don’t get the pro phones,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco this seems like a good year to buy because they did take a big leap and it puts them
⏹️ ▶️ Marco closer to the pros than they usually are.
⏹️ ▶️ John And as for the A19 family, there’s something else that they didn’t mention in the presentation. I don’t know why, but
⏹️ ▶️ John I guess it’s too nerdy. There’s a paper we’ll link to on the security.apple.com website
⏹️ ▶️ John called Memory Integrity Enforcement, a complete vision for memory safety in Apple devices.
⏹️ ▶️ John And in that paper, it says in MIE, which is how they abbreviate Memory Integrity Enforcement,
⏹️ ▶️ John every memory allocation is tagged with a secret. The hardware guarantees that later requests to access memory
⏹️ ▶️ John are granted only if the request contains the correct secret. If the secrets don’t match, the app crashes and the event
⏹️ ▶️ John is logged. This allows developers to identify memory corruption bugs immediately as they occur. MIE
⏹️ ▶️ John is built right into Apple hardware and software in all models of iPhone 17 and iPhone Air and offers
⏹️ ▶️ John unparalleled, always-on memory safety protection for our key attack services, including the kernel, while maintaining
⏹️ ▶️ John the power and performance that users expect. In addition, we’re making EMTE, which is the underlying technology that this is
⏹️ ▶️ John based on, it’s created by ARM, available to all Apple developers in Xcode as part of a new enhanced security feature
⏹️ ▶️ John that we released earlier this year during WWDC. This is actually kind of a big deal. Like they’re always cranking the dial
⏹️ ▶️ John on features in step with their silicon. So for example, WWDC, we mentioned like the
⏹️ ▶️ John per cycle tracing of what’s happening in your program, but that’s only on M4 SOCs
⏹️ ▶️ John or later. Like it’s tied to the silicon because there’s special support for it. This is similar where they’ve been working on this. You
⏹️ ▶️ John can read the paper. They’ve been working on this for five years now, working with ARM to figure out how can we
⏹️ ▶️ John make memory access safer and more secure. Uh, and like
⏹️ ▶️ John arm came up with this tagging thing and puts like a cryptographic secret stuff, but Apple said it’s not good enough cause we can see ways
⏹️ ▶️ John around it. And so they work with them. And anyway, this is only on a 19 stuff. I would imagine
⏹️ ▶️ John that is also only going to be on M five or maybe even M six. Uh, but it just shows how Apple
⏹️ ▶️ John is Apple’s Silicon and software and operating system stacks are all
⏹️ ▶️ John of a unit and they will embark on five year long project this to make their stuff even
⏹️ ▶️ John more hardened. So I guess the, the software that’s running your Apple studio display too,
⏹️ ▶️ John in the future will be super secure because it has memory integrity enforcement and I would assume
⏹️ ▶️ John every a series chip from this point forward will, and I’m assume eventually every M series chip will, it’s kind of cool. We’ll
⏹️ ▶️ John probably talk more about it in a future episode. If I read the paper and find more stuff.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Yeah, I was actually planning to talk to you privately about how this would maybe be an overtime where we unpack
⏹️ ▶️ Casey this a little bit more aggressively.
⏹️ ▶️ John I don’t have enough time to read
⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey it yet today. Yeah, exactly
⏹️ ▶️ Casey the same. But I will say that a lot of the Apple nerds that I follow, as in,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey you know, engineers that work at Apple, a lot of them were very happy to announce
⏹️ ▶️ Casey this on Mastodon today. So this, this, this, I suspect is a very big deal. Like John said, I just
⏹️ ▶️ Casey also haven’t had the chance to dig into it yet.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Oh yeah. It’s, it’s like from a nerdy security perspective, it’s a very big deal
⏹️ ▶️ Marco and it just reinforces like, you know, we don’t talk about this too often because it doesn’t usually come up for us, fortunately.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco But like, if I was doing really sensitive work that I had to, like, be really confident
⏹️ ▶️ Marco that I wasn’t, you know, going to be hacked or something, I would do it on an iPhone, because the iPhone
⏹️ ▶️ Marco security is top notch in the industry, and they’re always finding new ways to make it better.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco So this kind of thing, like, this is really important to somebody. And it might not be like, you know,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco us or you today, but overall, like, this dramatically improves the security of the platform. So that this is
⏹️ ▶️ Casey All right. Moving back to the hardware, the battery gets eight more hours of video playback
⏹️ ▶️ Casey compared to the iPhone 16. I don’t know what I would recommend as a metric for
⏹️ ▶️ Casey battery life, but I kind of hate this as a metric because I will never sit there and watch my watch video
⏹️ ▶️ Casey on my iPhone for eight straight hours. It’s just not a thing.
⏹️ ▶️ John On the one hand, like you’re right, it is a bad metric because we all know that if you’re watching video, it’s just one tiny corner
⏹️ ▶️ John of the chip that has like the H265 encoder or decoder on it is doing all the work and that’s not representative
⏹️ ▶️ John of anything. But on the other hand, places where people really care about battery life, I
⏹️ ▶️ John see people watching movies on their phone, on the plane all the time. And that’s where you care about those hours.
⏹️ ▶️ John Can I get through the movie? I use my phone in the airport, I’m gonna use it when I get off the plane. Do I also have enough battery
⏹️ ▶️ John life to watch the movie? Yeah, it’s just exercising that one tiny corner of the chip, but it still is impressive
⏹️ ▶️ John for a phone with essentially a very similar size battery to its predecessor to get eight more hours
⏹️ ▶️ John out of, that’s gotta be the A19 essentially having a more efficient video
⏹️ ▶️ John decode hardware on it. Which is not, again, not representative of general
⏹️ ▶️ John battery life, but is impressive for a one year change. So I can see why they’re bragging about it.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey You can get half of your charge in 20 minutes if you’re using a wire. There’s apparently 10
⏹️ ▶️ Casey minutes of charge will give you eight hours of video playback. So there’s some fast charging here and I don’t know if we’re gonna
⏹️ ▶️ Casey have a chance to talk about it, they came out with a new USB-C charger, a slim USB-C charger
⏹️ ▶️ Casey that flexes between 40 and 60 watts, depending on how hot the charger is. I haven’t had much time
⏹️ ▶️ Casey to look into that personally, and so we probably won’t talk about it today, but we’ll get to it at some point.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I think you literally just covered the entire story.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John Oh, okay, good deal. That’s it. There we go. What
⏹️ ▶️ John does the charger look like? I haven’t even seen it, is it?
⏹️ ▶️ Marco It looks just like their dual 36 watt charger that comes with the Airs, or that can come with the Airs, the MacBook
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Air. Yeah, that thing,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Exactly right. Anyways, the cameras, we are getting a 48
⏹️ ▶️ Casey megapixel main camera, which there’s, I really don’t like how they’re handling this.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey I get it, but I don’t like it. So they said they’re really leaning into this whole like multi-lens
⏹️ ▶️ Casey thing where there’s one physical camera that’s 40 megapixels, but they’re saying, well,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey it’s basically the same as an optical quality telephoto lens 2X because
⏹️ ▶️ Casey they’re just gonna crop it. And I’m not saying that’s inaccurate, but they keep saying as though they’re
⏹️ ▶️ Casey like seven physical lenses on these cameras. And that’s just, that isn’t accurate. Now,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey yes, you can basically squint and see how they got there. And I don’t think that they’re lying or
⏹️ ▶️ Casey misleading. I just don’t personally care for the way they classify
⏹️ ▶️ John It used to be fine for marketing, but then there was always like a tech spec section that broke it down better. And
⏹️ ▶️ John they took away the tech spec sections from the website. You can still get this info if you dig for it, but it’s much harder to find
⏹️ ▶️ John than it used to be. But anyway, as far as I can tell, this 48 megapixel main, it’s essentially the same as the
⏹️ ▶️ John old main camera on like the Pros.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco as I can tell, it’s unchanged from the iPhone 16 Pro’s 1X camera.
⏹️ ▶️ John Yeah, and we don’t know that for a fact because they’re so vague. Like remember a couple of years ago, they said, oh, it seems like it’s unchanged, but it turns
⏹️ ▶️ John out it actually was a new sensor and they just didn’t mention it. But spec wise, it looks very similar
⏹️ ▶️ John to the old 1X camera. So the 1X camera doesn’t seem like where the action is happening, certainly not on the 17.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah, and to be clear, they don’t change the 1X camera every year. Like there have been years where
⏹️ ▶️ Marco it has literally been unchanged from the previous year. That happens more frequently with the wide and the telephoto cameras,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco but it does occasionally happen to the One X camera. But this seems like it’s
⏹️ ▶️ Marco one of those years, but the One X camera also is already really good and needed the least
⏹️ ▶️ Marco improvement of all three of them. So that’s, I consider it unfortunate
⏹️ ▶️ Marco whenever there’s a new foamy vision that doesn’t touch the main camera, but it’s not a deal breaker because
⏹️ ▶️ Marco the main camera is already really good.
⏹️ ▶️ John and they always touch the software anyway. So your pictures will look a little bit different when you upgrade your OS. The ultra wide
⏹️ ▶️ John on the 17 is where things change. It gets a 48 megapixel ultra wide and that’s replacing a 12 megapixel ultra
⏹️ ▶️ John wide on the 16. So big bump for the ultra wide and that’s the only other camera on this phone. So
⏹️ ▶️ John you’ve got the 1X and now you’ve got a 48 megapixel ultra wide, which is pretty good. And it has,
⏹️ ▶️ John well, you brought this in here Casey, do you know how they’re doing this? You said fake lenses, 12 megapixel 1X macro.
⏹️ ▶️ John What does that? Which one of these two cameras does that? I
⏹️ ▶️ Marco don’t know. So historically the macro is the wide. It’s the 0.5. Ultra wide, yeah.
⏹️ ▶️ John That makes sense to me, especially since if the ultra wide is actually 48 megapixel, maybe
⏹️ ▶️ John you can get 12 megapixel macro out of
⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco it. The way we know
⏹️ ▶️ Marco it’s the ultra wide is that the iPhone Air has the same 1X camera
⏹️ ▶️ Marco and does not support macro.
⏹️ ▶️ John Process of elimination.
⏹️ ▶️ John therefore it’s the 0.5. But anyway, that’s not where the action is happening. Speaking of things that
⏹️ ▶️ John are improved on every single iPhone this year and they introduced it with the plain old 17, the bottom
⏹️ ▶️ John of the line phone, turn that phone around and the front facing camera has
⏹️ ▶️ John finally been significantly upgraded. They’ve improved it a little bit over the years but it has always lagged far
⏹️ ▶️ John behind. So now they really bragged about this. 18 megapixel center stage front camera
⏹️ ▶️ John with a square sensor and they use that square sensor to allow you not to
⏹️ ▶️ John have to rotate your phone to get like a landscape orientation selfie is it just basically does sensor crop.
⏹️ ▶️ John And this is a big change. It’s a better camera, it’s a more versatile camera for old people like me who have
⏹️ ▶️ John trouble holding the camera at various angles for doing selfies. You don’t, you can just leave the
⏹️ ▶️ John camera in whatever orientation you’re comfortable holding it. And if two more people come into the selfie shot, you can just tap
⏹️ ▶️ John on the screen and it will crop differently and put them in. And center stage, it will track where people are and try to get
⏹️ ▶️ John everybody in the picture. This is a big upgrade for the selfie camera. Maybe not compared to the Android world
⏹️ ▶️ John where they tend to have fancier cameras on the front. But on the iPhone, I’ve always felt like they’ve sort of not taken
⏹️ ▶️ John the front camera seriously enough. Even though there was a past year where they’re like, now we’re taking the front camera seriously, we know how much
⏹️ ▶️ John you use it. They took it more seriously, but then they let it languish for a while. So here’s another big
⏹️ ▶️ John upgrade. Every single phone has this new front facing 18 megapixel center stage camera, and it is a big
⏹️ ▶️ John upgrade of what it used to be.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah, that’s a huge deal. I mean, the only thing that I’m a little concerned about
⏹️ ▶️ Marco is that when they use the term center stage on the laptop cameras and
⏹️ ▶️ Marco the Mac cameras, what you get is a
⏹️ ▶️ Marco big wide angle optical camera that they crop pretty aggressively
⏹️ ▶️ Marco to quote, keep yourself centered. And you see this, I believe the iPads also have this.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco And what we’ve seen so far when they’ve done this with these cameras is the cropping of the large
⏹️ ▶️ Marco sensor creates very, very crappy pictures because it’s relying a lot
⏹️ ▶️ Marco on cropping to achieve its optical breadth of range.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco This might be better in the phones. Historically, the phone’s front cameras usually are better than the front cameras
⏹️ ▶️ Marco in Macs and iPads. So it’s probably gonna be better.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco How much better, we don’t know. So this is the kind of thing that I think, pay attention to reviews
⏹️ ▶️ Marco and sample photos of the new front cameras. This remains to be seen. It could be really
⏹️ ▶️ Marco good, but so far Apple has never delivered a quote center stage
⏹️ ▶️ Marco front camera that was good. So we’ll
⏹️ ▶️ John Yeah, they did say this is wider angle than the previous one. So it goes wider, but I’m not sure it goes as wide
⏹️ ▶️ John as center stage. Like center stage goes so wide that you can like get your fingers on the keyboard with like the desk view thing.
⏹️ ▶️ John So I think this is probably wider than it used to be, but not that much wider and it should have enough megapixels to make
⏹️ ▶️ John up for it. But we shall see. The other thing that they’re doing, which also was mentioned, I
⏹️ ▶️ John forget where it was mentioned because I copied it in the notes to everywhere. Whatever phone they mentioned this feature on, it’s on all the phones.
⏹️ ▶️ John Dual capture video where you can record front and back camera simultaneously. According to Apple’s website, every single one of the
⏹️ ▶️ John new phones announced today has that feature, including the Planel 17. So you can try to get
⏹️ ▶️ John your own reaction while you’re filming your kid play basketball like they showed in the video, and that’s cool.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Yep, I dig that. I’m excited about this front camera. I am a devout
⏹️ ▶️ Casey day one user. We’ve talked about this in the past. Day one is like a journaling app and
⏹️ ▶️ Casey I try to record something every day. And I usually try to take at least one picture every day. And a
⏹️ ▶️ Casey lot of the times, if we’re going out to like dinner with friends or something like that, I’ll just take a picture with the selfie camera. And
⏹️ ▶️ Casey I am very bad at it because I’m an old and it is not particularly good quality.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey I mean, if I was really trying to get these as heirloom, you know, quality pictures, they’re
⏹️ ▶️ Casey terrible, especially in low light situations, they’re freaking and awful. But the point is just to help me remember
⏹️ ▶️ Casey and little else. And so anyways, I am really excited for this. I agree with you, Marco, that they haven’t ever
⏹️ ▶️ Casey really delivered on this in a really big way, but they’re saying all the right things. And
⏹️ ▶️ Casey I really like what they’re doing with the square sensor. So you can, you know, do landscape or portrait all within that without
⏹️ ▶️ Casey moving the phone. And it is far easier to hold the phone physically in portrait if they can,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey you know, kind of fake their way into a landscape photo, I am really surprisingly excited about this.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey I think this is going to be great.
iPhone Air
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Then iPhone air it is the iPhone air that is a thing it is official no 17. Yeah
⏹️ ▶️ John are they gonna do next year? Is that the iPhone 18 errors of the iPhone air 18? Is
⏹️ ▶️ John it the iPhone air the new iPhone air?
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I’m guessing it’s just the new iPhone air But well, I mean they could say the iPhone air 2 who knows
⏹️ ▶️ John or is it the iPhone air was a mistake We’re never making one like this again.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco We’ll get to it, but we’ll see how it sells like that Yeah, they’ve tried a lot of things.
⏹️ ▶️ John You know, it’s just interesting that they didn’t put the 17 in there or a 26 Yeah,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey I mean either way this is something that simultaneously Really excites
⏹️ ▶️ Casey me and I also feel like isn’t for me. I
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I think I’m there myself.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Yeah, I think this is this looks incredible I’m sure it will feel phenomenal in hand.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey I am super duper excited about it I also really love the marketing like hero image that they’re using with like
⏹️ ▶️ Casey a very very tall very thin a and then the phone Itself is the eye and a very tall very thin are
⏹️ ▶️ Casey I’m really into that. I think it’s great But this is as expected it is extremely
⏹️ ▶️ Casey thin and it sits kind of between from what I can tell the 17 and 17 bro
⏹️ ▶️ Casey in both like kind of where it is in the lineup and also physically in terms of screen real estate But
⏹️ ▶️ Casey what do we got? We’ve got a polished titanium frame with a mirror finish ceramic shield on both
⏹️ ▶️ Casey sides, which they claim is their most durable design yet. Again, we shall
⏹️ ▶️ Casey see and challenge accepted. But, uh, they also really leaned
⏹️ ▶️ Casey into something, John, would you like to talk about what they leaned into? Yeah,
⏹️ ▶️ John they’re talking about their iconic plateau. I’m not sure it’s iconic if this is the first camera to have, uh, first phone
⏹️ ▶️ John to have that kind of plateau, but anyway, yes, they’re using plateau, which makes sense, geologically speaking, because
⏹️ ▶️ John we used to call the thing the camera Mesa and a Mesa Mesa is just like a smaller version of a Plateau. So now that it
⏹️ ▶️ John spans the whole width of the phone, it has gone from Mesa to Plateau. So I accept their nomenclature, but it is interesting
⏹️ ▶️ John to hear them saying that. I think they had used to say like camera bump occasionally,
⏹️ ▶️ John but now they’re not only are they calling it the Plateau, now it’s iconic. So, okay, all right. I’m not
⏹️ ▶️ John sure how iconic it is, considering it looks exactly like the Google Pixel camera. Mesa or Plateau,
⏹️ ▶️ John it’s been there for years, but whatever. I do like the polished edges. We’ve had phones with
⏹️ ▶️ John polished edges before, they gather fingerprints and they’re not the most practical, but boy, do they look pretty. Like
⏹️ ▶️ John if you’re gonna make this, this phone looks like a piece of jewelry, right? Like that’s
⏹️ ▶️ John the look they’re going for. It would probably be one of the best looking phones without a case, if you ignore the iconic
⏹️ ▶️ John camera plateau. But yeah, it looks really nice.
⏹️ ▶️ John 5.6 millimeters thick, sorry, rumor is not 5.5. And the durability
⏹️ ▶️ John we shall see. Now, before we move on to the screen, the physical attributes of this. How much does it weigh?
⏹️ ▶️ John Cause it’s thin, it’s size between the Pro and the Pro Max,
⏹️ ▶️ John it weighs 165 grams, which is 12 grams heavier, no, 12 grams lighter than the 17,
⏹️ ▶️ John 21 grams lighter than the 17 Pro. So it’s not that much lighter than the plain 17. It’s
⏹️ ▶️ John a lot thinner, but not that much lighter. To give a comparison, the iPhone 13 mini
⏹️ ▶️ John was 24 grams lighter than the Air. So
⏹️ ▶️ John the 13 mini was a way smaller phone, obviously, but the 30 mini was lighter. To give
⏹️ ▶️ John another comparison, the plain iPhone 12, not the mini, but the plain iPhone 12 was
⏹️ ▶️ John three grams lighter than the Air. Now granted, the Air has a much bigger screen.
⏹️ ▶️ John It is a bigger phone length and width wise, but it’s very difficult, I mean, especially for
⏹️ ▶️ John people like me who don’t have a good familiarity with metric, for me to gauge what is something that’s 12 grams
⏹️ ▶️ John lighter than the iPhone 17 feel like? Is it going to feel light or is it gonna feel heavier because
⏹️ ▶️ John it’s so thin it will feel dense. You know, when you get something that’s small, but it weighs the same amount as something that’s big, the
⏹️ ▶️ John big thing feels lighter because you expect it to be heavier. Anyway, if you’re looking for this to be a huge
⏹️ ▶️ John weight difference, 12 grams does not seem like a big difference. And so I can’t wait
⏹️ ▶️ John to go to a store and pick this thing up and say, does it feel heavy or does it feel light? I know it’s gonna feel
⏹️ ▶️ John thin. You can see that it’s thin, but will it feel heavier or lighter than the 17? Again, it is lighter
⏹️ ▶️ John than the 17 by 12 grams. Yeah,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I mean, just like as a point of comparison, when we went to titanium
⏹️ ▶️ Marco from the 14 Pro to the 15 Pro, we went from 206 grams in the base Pro to 187.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco That’s not that much of a savings, but it did feel significant.
⏹️ ▶️ John Oh, it felt big. But weren’t those phones the same volume-ish?
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah, they were about the same volume, but it did feel lighter. Because
⏹️ ▶️ John that’s the wild card. Like again, because this is so thin, will it feel heavier because you don’t
⏹️ ▶️ John expect something that thin to feel that dense, you know what I mean? Right,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco and so I think it will feel noticeable and it will be the combination
⏹️ ▶️ Marco of feeling the thickness and the lighter weight, like it will feel better.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco But as you were just going through, like iPhones have gotten, especially the pros,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco have gotten a lot heavier over the last few years than they used to be. Like we had a little bit of savings when we
⏹️ ▶️ Marco went 14 to 15 from titanium and then we just ate it right back up again with the 16 and now the 17 Pros.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco So they’ve gotten a lot heavier than they were even just five years ago. And that’s, so the Air kind of brings
⏹️ ▶️ Marco us back there, but as you mentioned, like it’s not as much lighter as you might think, mainly
⏹️ ▶️ Marco because the heaviest parts of the phones usually are the batteries and the Air is mostly
⏹️ ▶️ Marco battery. Now it’s not as big as the batteries in the Pros or the regular ones, but it’s
⏹️ ▶️ Marco a huge battery. Like the entire body of the phone below the plateau
⏹️ ▶️ Marco is basically just all battery. Like there’s almost nothing else in there. It’s like battery on the front of the screen.
⏹️ ▶️ John It is a big phone length and width wise. Like if they had decided to make this phone either the same size
⏹️ ▶️ John as the 17 or smaller than the 17, it would have been way lighter, but then the battery life would have been way worse,
⏹️ ▶️ John right? So it’s interesting, like if they chose to put this phone in between the Pro and the Pro Max.
⏹️ ▶️ John So it’s like, it’s bigger than the Pro. It’s bigger than the plain 17. If you look at the phone
⏹️ ▶️ John head on, it looks like it’s a bigger phone that gives them room to put more battery. They use the heaviest materials
⏹️ ▶️ John they have. They use titanium, essentially, except because we had to, which I kind of believe them, like, to try to make it not bendy,
⏹️ ▶️ John titanium is the way to go because you have such a thin rim around the thing. I feel like they could have done unibody
⏹️ ▶️ John aluminum to save weight and keep the same rigidity, but who knows what the limits are there.
⏹️ ▶️ John I don’t, maybe, maybe at this thickness, they didn’t have a choice. Glass front and back.
⏹️ ▶️ John You know, it’s a pretty looking phone, and I’ll take them at their word about the bendability,
⏹️ ▶️ John although I’m sure YouTubers will be bending this thing I’m like crazy, but it’s, it’s this, and again, they didn’t
⏹️ ▶️ John tout the battery chemistry or anything like that. They just, you know, we’ll get to the battery life in a second, but
⏹️ ▶️ John they said, oh, it’s fine. But like, you can’t get around the fact that it’s got seemingly the same SOC as the Pro
⏹️ ▶️ John phone with one of the GPU cores disabled. Maybe it’s underclocked. The screen, just to
⏹️ ▶️ John get us out of the way, it’s 6.5 inches. It’s the same as all the other screens. ProMotion, always on, 300 minutes of brightness,
⏹️ ▶️ John ceramic shield, improved anti-reflective coating. It’s just, it’s a screen that’s in between the size
⏹️ ▶️ John of the regular and the Pro Max. So yeah, this is a product waiting for
⏹️ ▶️ John people to decide whether they wanna buy this thing. Oh, and the colors, these are the,
⏹️ ▶️ John not the least daring colors of the entire lineup. The dishwater’s back. Yeah, sky blue,
⏹️ ▶️ John light gold, cloud white, space black. And if you look at all these colors, they are barely there.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah, it’s very similar to like, the way the new MacBook Airs have that sky blue, but like you really have to like
⏹️ ▶️ Marco look very hard just to notice it. It looks like that kind of difference between
⏹️ ▶️ John Yeah, especially since the glass, like the sky blue is more noticeable in the rim than the back. The
⏹️ ▶️ John back is the same way you say, is that a silver MacBook Air or the blue one?
⏹️ ▶️ John You’re gonna look this way, is that the cloud white one or the sky blue one? Well, they’re both in the sky, I guess.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Like my white balance is off, I can’t tell you. I do think it’s interesting too, like when you
⏹️ ▶️ Marco look at like how they were selling this to us, what they kept talking
⏹️ ▶️ Marco about over and over again was durability and battery life. They drove those
⏹️ ▶️ Marco points home hard. And it makes sense, like, when you look at a phone like this,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco that’s what most people would have concerns about. Like,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John hey, is that thing- Yeah,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco like, is that gonna bend in half the moment I touch it? And also, does it have any battery life whatsoever? So it does
⏹️ ▶️ Marco make sense that they did spend so much time talking about durability
⏹️ ▶️ Marco and battery life. I do think it’s hilarious that when
⏹️ ▶️ Marco John Ternus was introducing the battery life topic, he
⏹️ ▶️ Marco had just finished talking. He’s like, and this has amazing battery life. And then without even
⏹️ ▶️ Marco seemingly taking a breath, I don’t even know if there was punctuation between that and the next thing, he
⏹️ ▶️ Marco instantly introduces the MagSafe battery
⏹️ ▶️ John pack. I mean, I think you got to the point before where it’s like, it’s addressing people’s concern. They’re like,
⏹️ ▶️ John well, what if I don’t believe you? And whatever turns out, it doesn’t have good battery life. What then? And Apple says, well, we’ve got another thing you can buy
⏹️ ▶️ John from us. which, you know, it’s not- It’s amazing, I mean, come on. It’s not a vote of confidence
⏹️ ▶️ John in their battery, but it is exactly what you said, trying to reassure people to let them know we’re gonna have, we can
⏹️ ▶️ John do something here. And that battery pack, I guess we’ll jump to it now, as Casey
⏹️ ▶️ John disappointingly found out, this is a battery pack for the iPhone Air only.
⏹️ ▶️ John This is the only iPhone it works with. And you’re like, well, they’re all MagSafe, it should work with all of them. I don’t think so, because
⏹️ ▶️ John I think this thing goes up so high on the back of the phone, because it’s so thin, that it can’t go up that high than any
⏹️ ▶️ John of the other phones because their various camera plateaus and mesas are in the way. So
⏹️ ▶️ John this is iPhone Air only, it’s very slim. And by the way, the battery pack does not have any place where you can plug
⏹️ ▶️ John a wire into it. Oh, I didn’t know that. It charges through the phone only from what I’ve been able to
⏹️ ▶️ John gather in these scant hours.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco That was a feature of the old battery pack that most people didn’t know was there. Like you could, the old Magnetic Battery Pack
⏹️ ▶️ Marco could be charged by the phone.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Yes, but I don’t think anyone did it though. I think this is the only way this one does.
⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey I don’t like that at
⏹️ ▶️ John all. It still seems like a good, like it’s a good accessory for the Air. And like, I
⏹️ ▶️ John think they’ve done a good job. Like the bumper cases that we talked about last week, they do have bumper cases for it, if you want that, in
⏹️ ▶️ John addition to regular cases. By the way, a bunch of Apple’s regular cases for the Air have open
⏹️ ▶️ John bottoms, inexplicably, but like, whatever. Like, I don’t like the open bottom. I don’t
⏹️ ▶️ John know what makes Apple decide whether or not to have open bottom, but for the Air, they decided to. Like,
⏹️ ▶️ John it’s a pretty well-realized product. Oh, and this is because this is the first, So they just announced the 17, then they do the 17 Air, or not the 17
⏹️ ▶️ John Air. Then they do the Air. This is where they introduced the A19 Pro. So this is where they started
⏹️ ▶️ John talking about the CPU features in more detail. Does this also apply to the A19? I
⏹️ ▶️ John don’t know, but they said it in this part. And they said, you know, performance cores improve front-end bandwidth and branch
⏹️ ▶️ John prediction, 50% increased last level cache. What the hell is last level cache?
⏹️ ▶️ John That’s not really a term of art. L3, I don’t know, they just wanted to, you know, marketing probably made them, You’re not allowed to say L3, no
⏹️ ▶️ John one knows who that is. And then the GPU cores, they really bragged about
⏹️ ▶️ John the GPU cores here. Again, are these GPU cores different than the ones you bragged about in the
⏹️ ▶️ John iPhone 17 with the plain A tiny? Or are they not? I don’t know.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco think they are because in the compare page, all three phones’ GPUs are described
⏹️ ▶️ Marco as with neural accelerators. And that’s the part they were talking about. So, and that’s what’s different
⏹️ ▶️ Marco from the previous generation GPU. So it seems like the GPU cores themselves
⏹️ ▶️ Marco are the same across all three chips, but there is just five of them in A19 and
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Ares Pro, and then six of them in the Pro Pro.
⏹️ ▶️ John Well, yeah, we’ll have to see when people start testing these things, but this is the place where they didn’t say
⏹️ ▶️ John this about the A19, but they did say it about the A19 Pro, so we don’t know if it applies to all of them or just
⏹️ ▶️ John the one, but they said, it’s got double floating point math rates, up to
⏹️ ▶️ John three times the peak CPU compute of the A18 Pro. Maybe that applies
⏹️ ▶️ John to all the A19 chips or maybe just the Pro, but that is an impressive figure. And I’m assuming it’s mostly due to the
⏹️ ▶️ John embedded neural engines or inside, neural accelerators inside the GPUs. Basically they’re saying, if you
⏹️ ▶️ John want to use the GPU to do machine learning calculations instead of using the neural
⏹️ ▶️ John engine, you can do that and this will do it better. So that’s why within, I’m
⏹️ ▶️ John assuming, roughly the same power envelope, doing three times and they say very carefully, peak
⏹️ ▶️ John GPU compute doesn’t mean like frame rates in games. Maybe it translates to that. Maybe not,
⏹️ ▶️ John but it does mean how many computations can our GPUs do because they have that embedded neural accelerator in each
⏹️ ▶️ John one, they can do more. And they bragged about it saying, this is MacBook pro levels of compute in an iPhone.
⏹️ ▶️ John So I guess we’re going to have MacBook pro levels compute in the Apple studio display too.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah, my theory here on these chips is that this is the same chip. All three
⏹️ ▶️ Marco of these have the same chip and it’s being bend because again, it seems like the only difference is number
⏹️ ▶️ Marco of GPU cores and the presence of those quote last level caches. Well,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco GPU cores are pretty big. So is cache on a silicon die.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Cache is big. And so if you have a defect and you lose
⏹️ ▶️ Marco some of your cache space or you lose a GPU core, you can bin that and you can put it in these lower models. So it’s
⏹️ ▶️ Marco probably the same chip being made three different configurations.
⏹️ ▶️ John So you really bin based on memory though. Memory is so regular, I don’t know if the errors would be there. Anyway, someone’s
⏹️ ▶️ John gonna slice these things open and we’ll find out. But right now it’s a bit of a mystery. And also the clock speeds, I’m just assuming
⏹️ ▶️ John that the errors, the SOC is clocked differently than the pros because it’s gotta be. But
⏹️ ▶️ John yeah, they didn’t say it one way or the other.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Oh, also some real time follow-up, by the way. MacRumors posted a thing earlier that they looked in the Xcode resources, and apparently
⏹️ ▶️ Marco they can confirm with their knowledge of certainty, they are pretty certain
⏹️ ▶️ Marco that the RAM amounts are 8 gigs for the 17 and 12 gigs for the Air and
⏹️ ▶️ John Yeah, that was just before the event. And in the week between when we recorded our prediction show
⏹️ ▶️ John and the event, the rumors really were herding it towards the 17 doesn’t have 12, but just has 8, but everybody else has 12.
⏹️ ▶️ John So that makes sense. One thing that, or two things that the Air did get that are special to it, because
⏹️ ▶️ John it’s so darn thin and it has such a small battery, is it got two
⏹️ ▶️ John new Apple chips for wireless connectivity. It got the N1, I guess that’s for networking?
⏹️ ▶️ John I don’t know. N1 implements Wi-Fi 7, cool. Bluetooth 6, yay,
⏹️ ▶️ John another Bluetooth number. I’m sure it’ll be fixed this time. It’s a Thread Radio. And as Apple said,
⏹️ ▶️ John they already make Wi-Fi and Bluetooth chips for the Apple Watch and the AirPods. Now they make it for the phone. Why does this one have the N1?
⏹️ ▶️ John Because I’m assuming the N1 is, maybe they even bragged about it, I forget, takes less power
⏹️ ▶️ John to do these jobs than the chips they were getting from third parties. So the N1 chip is there doing its job. And also,
⏹️ ▶️ John Apple’s cell modem, not the C1. They said, we did the C1 and we’ve got a follow-up chip. I’m like, is the C2
⏹️ ▶️ John ready? No, the C2 is not ready. But the C1X is ready. And what’s better
⏹️ ▶️ John about the C1X than the C1? More GPU cores? Supposedly it’s twice as fast as the C1.
⏹️ ▶️ John I, okay. And it’s faster than the cell modem, the 16 pro, the Qualcomm
⏹️ ▶️ John cell modem, the 16 pro. I’m assuming it doesn’t do millimeter wave. Like that’s why it’s not the C2.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah, the iPhone Air does not support millimeter wave. Right.
⏹️ ▶️ John But most importantly for the iPhone Air, 30% less power than the C1. So the C1X
⏹️ ▶️ John and the N1 are helping to make the iPhone Air possible by using less power to do
⏹️ ▶️ John a better job at all the things that they’re doing.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah, this is great stuff. Like we’re not that far off from Apple
⏹️ ▶️ Marco making all of their own cell modems. It’s probably next year. Like if not, it’ll be the one after that, but it’s probably next year.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Like we’re very close now. And you know, so far, like when the iPhone 16e was announced
⏹️ ▶️ Marco a few months back, you know, that was the first one with Apple’s cell modem in it, the C1. And we
⏹️ ▶️ Marco were all wondering, like, hey, are there gonna be any problems with it? Is it gonna perform worse? And so far it seems
⏹️ ▶️ Marco like it’s fine. It’s like, you know, it launched and no one seems to have said anything afterwards.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I know it’s, I saw recently, I forget who did it, but somebody tested like performance between the C1 and
⏹️ ▶️ Marco the Qualcomm modems. And it’s basically the same. Like it’s better occasionally in some ways, worse occasionally
⏹️ ▶️ Marco in some ways, but it’s roughly the same.
⏹️ ▶️ John Yeah, yeah. Like when we, right after the C1 was announced, someone did those tests and they said the same thing. And here we are
⏹️ ▶️ John several months later and new tests are still saying the same thing. Like you said, sometimes it’s better, sometimes it’s worse.
⏹️ ▶️ John It doesn’t have all the features of the Qualcomm one. It’s not as fast, it’s not as fast as the Qualcomm one, but for the role
⏹️ ▶️ John that it’s playing in the 1680, No news is good news. Like we don’t hear anything about it and it does what it does. Now I can
⏹️ ▶️ John see people being annoyed by like, well, I live in one of the places where actually it’s worse than my past phone’s
⏹️ ▶️ John chip. If you don’t live in one of the places where it’s better. Who knows what determines that because it’s like a global situation.
⏹️ ▶️ John So maybe it’s not perfect, but there are no glaring problems. And it’s not like when,
⏹️ ▶️ John was it the Intel cell modem versus the, well, where everyone knew the Intel and it was just worse all the time.
⏹️ ▶️ John Yeah, that was my iPhone 7. So no, no news is good news on the C1. And yeah, there’s the N1
⏹️ ▶️ John I’m assuming will do well. Apple seems to be good at making these Wi-Fi and Bluetooth chips,
⏹️ ▶️ John and it’s got what I believe to be the latest standard on all of them, unlike the chips that are running in Macs,
⏹️ ▶️ John but maybe that’ll get fixed in the M5 generation.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey According to Ternus, this is the most power efficient iPhone ever made, and let’s talk about the camera. I hope so. Yeah,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey we’d hope so. Talking about the camera, 48 megapixels, 26 millimeter focal length, f1.6, 100% focus pixels,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Two times telephoto, which now uses machine learning, they said. 18 megapixel
⏹️ ▶️ Casey center stage selfie camera, same as the iPhone 17. We talked about the dual capture stuff. Video,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey you get Dolby Vision up to 4K at 60 frames per second versus 120 frames per second on the 17 Pro and Pro Max. eSIM only worldwide.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Piss off, China, where apparently, if my understanding is, SIMs are still very common.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Internist called them decades old pieces of plastic, which you’re not wrong. That was remarkable.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Like the way he like so derisively talked about SIMs. That’s perfect. It was
⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John pretty good.
⏹️ ▶️ John Not enough room in the air for a SIM tray. We’ll see what they do with the other phone with that. But yeah, that it’s the,
⏹️ ▶️ John what gets sacrificed in the altar of thinness? No more SIM card for you, which makes sense.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I believe they even said in the pro phones, I believe they even said that like the ones that don’t have eSIMs have more batteries.
⏹️ ▶️ John That’s right. Cause that was also, by the way, that was another great job by the rumor mill. They not only leaked
⏹️ ▶️ John that fact, but leaked the geometry of where and how the battery,
⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco the SIM tray would be and how
⏹️ ▶️ John much bigger the battery would be, that’s super duper leaked. But
⏹️ ▶️ John we’ll get to that when we get to that phone. So yeah, the battery, it’s all day battery life.
⏹️ ▶️ John What does that mean? Well, depends on when it’s said. How many hours of video
⏹️ ▶️ John playback? That’s what
⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey I wanna know.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Mm-hmm. So the Air gets 27 hours video playback, the iPhone 17 Pro, 33, Pro Max 39.
⏹️ ▶️ John be on an hour, everything’s gotta be underclocked on it, but they’re trying their best
⏹️ ▶️ John to say this is gonna be all day battery life. Only the people who buy these and try to use it as their
⏹️ ▶️ John phone will be able to say for sure.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I mean, one thing that also is likely to be very different between the Air and the Pros,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco they both do have a very similar Pro chip in them, but the Airs don’t
⏹️ ▶️ Marco have the new thermal system. So my guess is the Airs will probably thermal throttle
⏹️ ▶️ Marco before the Pros will, which actually in some ways might be better for battery life
⏹️ ▶️ Marco in the sense that like, they’ll pull down the speeds earlier, but.
⏹️ ▶️ John I bet they just clock lower period all the time. You
⏹️ ▶️ Marco know? I don’t know. I don’t know. They historically don’t do a lot of that. Like they, like Apple Silicon,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco they don’t usually have different clocks within the same family.
⏹️ ▶️ John Well, like a lower peak clock is what I’m getting at. You know what I mean? Like obviously there’s no one clock speed that these things all run at. They just
⏹️ ▶️ John go up and down in clock speed, but I imagine the peaks seem lower, but people will test it and find out. Like they’ll benchmark it. In the benchmarks,
⏹️ ▶️ John you’ll see the thermal throttling and also you’ll see if the peak is lower. So once people get these phones in their hands, they’ll test.
⏹️ ▶️ John Apple certainly wasn’t saying in the presentation.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Yeah. All right, the accessories. We get a low profile MagSafe battery. Oh God,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey I was so excited, fellas. I was so excited because if you recall, I impulse bought that
⏹️ ▶️ Casey battery on the show just because you two jerks wouldn’t buy one yourselves and
⏹️ ▶️ Casey I ended up loving it. And I still use it from time to time. I love the original one
⏹️ ▶️ Casey and it’s not perfect, but I loved it and the integration.
⏹️ ▶️ John My wife loves it too. And she was also excited about the new one until she found out she can’t use it.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Yep, iPhone Air only, because as we discussed, too tall.
⏹️ ▶️ John And one of the reasons she was excited about it is because that’s like one of her only remaining lightning devices.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Yep, exactly. For me, it’s that in my AirPods case. And so I’m halfway
⏹️ ▶️ Casey there. I’m living on a prayer. Anyways, they’re also offering a translucent case that’s less than a millimeter
⏹️ ▶️ Casey thick in frost and shadow colors. They’re also doing a color matched bumper,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey which I was really enthusiastically excited for. I enjoyed the bumpers back in
⏹️ ▶️ Casey the iPhone 4 era, and I think it’s cool they’re coming back. And then the rumor mill, speaking of
⏹️ ▶️ Casey absolutely nailing it, cross-body strap. It attaches at phone case corners,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey and what they didn’t say, or I don’t recall having read the rumor mill, but it looks cool. They did or did not? They did
⏹️ ▶️ Casey say this. Oh, okay, my bad. Well, anyways, it’s lined with thin flexible magnets, which is pretty cool.
⏹️ ▶️ John That’s like how you adjust the length of it. It’s kind of like the old, I feel like it’s like the old Milanese loop, but it seems
⏹️ ▶️ John like it’s kind of like infinitely adjustable. But anyway, the pictures of it show that- Will it pinch your chest hair?
⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco Well, John’s, yeah.
⏹️ ▶️ John I mean, just the adjustability back and forth. But the pictures show that it attaches at the case corner.
⏹️ ▶️ John So if you go to Apple’s case accessory pages in the store, they all have
⏹️ ▶️ John different views of the case, but now they have a bottom view. And you have to look on the bottom view if you see
⏹️ ▶️ John the two bottom corners, the two holes, two holes on each corner for the
⏹️ ▶️ John thing to loop through, like the lanyard thing. Not all Apple cases have those holes in it, but you
⏹️ ▶️ John need it to be there for the cross-body strap to work. And it seems like it attaches with
⏹️ ▶️ John this tiny whisper-thin fishing line type thing that doesn’t look particularly sturdy,
⏹️ ▶️ John but I’m sure, again, someone will get this and try to do the yank test. If you have this, if you have your phone on a cross-body
⏹️ ▶️ John strap, can someone just walk by and go, yoink, and rip the thing off? Kind of like how in movies, when anyone
⏹️ ▶️ John is wearing a necklace in a movie
⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco and someone wants to
⏹️ ▶️ John take it off them, all you do is touch it and it just, you can rip it off their neck instantly. Have you ever tried that with a
⏹️ ▶️ John real necklace? That’s not how real necklaces work most of the time. Certainly they don’t come off intact all the
⏹️ ▶️ John time. Anyway, the crossbody strap exists. It’s got magnets. It attaches to
⏹️ ▶️ John some Apple cases, and I’ve had a bunch of third party cases as well.
iPhone 17 Pro
⏹️ ▶️ Casey All right. iPhone 17 pro the most pro iPhone yet by a
⏹️ ▶️ Casey lot. It’s the pro east. It’s the pro east of
⏹️ ▶️ Marco all the, of all the phones. Can I just say the opening shot of the orange?
⏹️ ▶️ Marco And I was like, Oh my God, it looks like it’s a pretty good orange. They
⏹️ ▶️ John did it. It’s a good thing. You don’t follow the rumors because right after we recorded last week’s episode, there was
⏹️ ▶️ John a parts leak of the USB-C port. Oh, I don’t think I saw that either. It’s a parts leak for the USB-C port for the
⏹️ ▶️ John orange phone, which is like such a nothing part, but you know how they color their ports
⏹️ ▶️ John to match the cases. And that port was an actual discernible orange. I’m like,
⏹️ ▶️ John Oh, Marco’s going to be excited by this because it’s not bronze or timid. Yeah.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco copper, you know, brown.
⏹️ ▶️ John I, I still maintain that it would be better to see this in person before deciding
⏹️ ▶️ John to buy it. But because Apple artwork is not always exactly on point, but at the very least
⏹️ ▶️ John it It is not dishwater orange.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah, on that point, the very first thing I did after the event ended was go to YouTube and see people
⏹️ ▶️ Marco posting their hands-on videos of it. And it does look more pale in the hands-on
⏹️ ▶️ Marco videos than it does in Apple’s marketing shots. So, and also the
⏹️ ▶️ Marco flat part of the back, like where the glass is, where the Qi charger and stuff are, that
⏹️ ▶️ Marco looks substantially lighter than the rest of the case in all the YouTube hands-on videos. So I
⏹️ ▶️ Marco would say like, we don’t know for sure how good of an orange it is, but it certainly
⏹️ ▶️ Marco seems to be in the good orange family. That’s great news to me. Because honestly, like,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I guess we’re not talking about this yet, but when I saw the hands-on videos from
⏹️ ▶️ Marco people of the Air, I actually really didn’t like it. Oh, really? The
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Air and the hands-on videos, obviously it’s very much showing off like how shiny
⏹️ ▶️ Marco those case bands are around it. I don’t think I like the shiny case band look anymore. I didn’t, I
⏹️ ▶️ Marco never liked it when it was on the pros either. They’re like surgical grade, stainless steel, polished. I never liked that either.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco And I think I don’t like it either on the Air. And the Air’s colors don’t do anything for me. Whereas
⏹️ ▶️ Marco the Pro is like, oh, this has this cool orange. And even if it’s not as bold
⏹️ ▶️ Marco in person as I hope it would be, it still looks pretty good overall in the videos I’ve seen so far.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco So I think, like I was expecting the Pro to win me over with specs,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco but the Air to win over my heart. And like, I gotta have that cool looking thing. And in fact,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco as soon as I saw the videos of the Air, I’m like, ooh, that’s not for me.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Huh, I’ll have to look at this because to jump ahead, you know, I don’t think I’m gonna be buying an Air, but
⏹️ ▶️ Casey I do think it looks from only the Apple presentation, it looks super cool. And I am really
⏹️ ▶️ Casey intrigued by it. I don’t think I wanna go that route for a few different reasons that we are yet to talk about
⏹️ ▶️ Casey that are features in the 17 Pro that the Air does not share, and most especially the camera system. but
⏹️ ▶️ Casey I am intrigued by it. And so I will be going to an Apple store, presumably before we record
⏹️ ▶️ Casey next and checking it out for a little bit.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I do think the Air will probably feel better than it looks. That is a risk. Like I’m like, don’t pick
⏹️ ▶️ Marco one up. Just don’t, don’t pick it up.
⏹️ ▶️ John So since we’re talking about the colors, the iPhone 17 Pro comes in only three colors.
⏹️ ▶️ John It comes in silver, cosmic orange, and deep blue. And that’s it.
⏹️ ▶️ John No black, no gray, no space black, no white, just silver, cosmic orange, and blue,
⏹️ ▶️ John which is a strange lineup. Like kudos to not making them all look like
⏹️ ▶️ John the air lineup, where it’s just like dim pro things. The orange one definitely stands out,
⏹️ ▶️ John but strange and very limited lineup of colors for this one.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco No, this is great. This is the first time in a long time,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco possibly the entire history of the iPhone, arguably.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John Where- The history of the iPhone Pro for sure.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco No, the entire, I think honestly, this might be the entire history of the iPhone, the first time in a long time
⏹️ ▶️ Marco where the Pro has the best colors of the whole lineup.
⏹️ ▶️ John I think the 17 has the best colors. Well,
⏹️ ▶️ John I know you like the orange, but the other two colors, silver is meh and the deep blue is like, bleh.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Silver looks stupid, but I think the blue is great. I think the blue and orange are both great. Yeah, I like the blue. Now, and
⏹️ ▶️ Marco granted, if you’re not like a blue or orange person and you’re looking at that silver, I would understand if you didn’t like these
⏹️ ▶️ Marco colors. that would be fine. Get a case like everyone else and call it a day. Maybe get a vinyl wrap. Who knows what people
⏹️ ▶️ Marco do. But I really applaud Apple for
⏹️ ▶️ Marco making real colors in the pros. Yes, there is no dark black
⏹️ ▶️ Marco or space gray, but that’s because they have made every single other pro phone available
⏹️ ▶️ Marco in four shades of black and gray. And we had so many of them, they
⏹️ ▶️ Marco used it up. up, they used up gray, they depleted the world supply of gray. And now we have real
⏹️ ▶️ Marco colors. Thank God.
⏹️ ▶️ John I wanted to do RGB though. I want there to be a reddish one, a greenish one, a bluish one. Like that’s, that’s the thing that
⏹️ ▶️ John the 17 and the 16 and the 15 and the 14 always do. There’s like a yellow one, a red one, a blue one,
⏹️ ▶️ John like this just has an orange one and two other ones that look like
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I honestly, I mean, again, we haven’t seen any of these in person yet. We’ll see how they look. I think that blue is also going to be a sleeper
⏹️ ▶️ Marco hit. I think the only reason the blue is not getting more of the attention today is that the orange really pops
⏹️ ▶️ Marco a lot more and is more novel for the pros.
⏹️ ▶️ John I think people are going to think the blue one is black.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I don’t know it. It looks obviously, you know, we’ve seen Apple do like very dark
⏹️ ▶️ Marco blues like in the MacBook Air, very dark blues where in person they just look black. This looks
⏹️ ▶️ Marco lighter than that in the pictures, but we’ll see how it looks in person. But I think if they did the
⏹️ ▶️ Marco usual thing of like three grays and that blue, I think we’d all be saying that’s a really nice blue. I’m going to go for that one.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco So I think it’ll be a nice color.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey I mean, I think it looks great. I like the orange a lot. It is not
⏹️ ▶️ Casey for me, even though I do really like it. And I know a lot of people like Marco, like Steven,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey and I think Jason, if I’m not mistaken, all of whom are very excited about this orange. And
⏹️ ▶️ Casey I’m excited for you guys. I am super, super thrilled that Apple gave us something more
⏹️ ▶️ Casey than, you know, a vague whiff of color. I’m really excited that that the
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Pro phones finally got color. I agree, John, it could have been different, could have been maybe even a little bit better, but
⏹️ ▶️ Casey I’m not gonna kick them at this point. I’m going to congratulate them that I’m really excited that there’s something
⏹️ ▶️ Casey that looks like colors here. And I’m also-
⏹️ ▶️ John Like you said, they got color, singular. I really do feel like they got color. They got one color and
⏹️ ▶️ John the other two are not.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco It looks good though. And we can thank, I think, for this. I think we can thank aluminum
⏹️ ▶️ Marco for this because Apple has been making really good, saturated
⏹️ ▶️ Marco colored aluminum finishes since the iPod, since the iPod mini in particular. They were really
⏹️ ▶️ Marco good since all the way back then with the iPod mini at making colored aluminum in nice,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco bold, rich colors. And all these dishwater colors they’ve been making for the last few years, that was all
⏹️ ▶️ Marco glass and titanium and steel and everything. Now that they ship aluminum again on the Pro phone for the first
⏹️ ▶️ Marco time in a long time, and we have bold colors again. Thank God.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Yep. I’m into it. It’s the first unibody iPhone, which again, maybe there were rumors
⏹️ ▶️ Casey about this, but I don’t recall having seen any.
⏹️ ▶️ John What are you talking about? We did a whole show where we talked about this exact thing.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey About it being unibody?
⏹️ ▶️ John Yes. Oh, all right. We said that exact word, I believe.
⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco I mean, I knew
⏹️ ▶️ Marco like, you know, the rumor mill, like obviously had the, had like, you know, the case designs nailed, but like, I don’t, I don’t remember hearing that it was unibody.
⏹️ ▶️ John Okay, thank you. All right,
⏹️ ▶️ John I feel like, I wish we had a better real-time search. I’m pretty sure I actually literally said the word, you know, it’s a machine I have a
⏹️ ▶️ John single piece of aluminum. Like you could see the case, this exact case leaked.
⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco Anyway, it looks cool. You talked about
⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey it on the show,
⏹️ ▶️ John I don’t know. I feel like you’re gaslighting
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Oh no, well if I am, it’s not on purpose. I’ll put it to
⏹️ ▶️ John you that way. This whole case leaked. And the reason they call it unibody is because it is machined out of a
⏹️ ▶️ John single piece. And as you said, though, remember I was talking about torsional rigidity because it is, because like
⏹️ ▶️ John the sides connect with the back connect with the top connect with the other side, like the camera plateau
⏹️ ▶️ John is not, It’s not like a band with a sandwich around it. That’s what I meant by unibody. So anyway, this all leaked.
⏹️ ▶️ John You two should have been paying more attention. Forgive me if I did not say these exact words on the last show. But anyway, this is
⏹️ ▶️ John all good because as Marco said, it’s all aluminum. So it’s lighter, it’s easier to anodize, it
⏹️ ▶️ John transfers heat better. I think it’s probably more rigid than it was
⏹️ ▶️ John because it is a more complete shell. Remember when I was talking about how it’s harder to repair because you can’t go in through the back
⏹️ ▶️ John anymore. You can only go in through the front for the cameras. You can take out that glass thing. Anyway. Oh
⏹️ ▶️ John It’s all coming back to you.
⏹️ ▶️ John be shocked to learn that it has the new ceramic shield on the back and the front because that base has that big glass panel
⏹️ ▶️ John on the back. Maybe we didn’t make that clear last time someone asked the question, how are we supposed to get anything to work if it’s
⏹️ ▶️ John all aluminum? How is the signal gonna get out? Most of the back is taken up by a,
⏹️ ▶️ John don’t call it glass ceramic shield insert that’s stuck in the middle of the aluminum thing. So that’s
⏹️ ▶️ John where like the wifi antenna is, that’s where the magsafe things are. but the iconic camera
⏹️ ▶️ John plateau is all aluminum. And the rumored vapor chamber cooler is inside there.
⏹️ ▶️ John It apparently contains deionized water and that’s laser welded into the aluminum chassis.
⏹️ ▶️ John Apparently the chassis has 20 times the thermal performance of the previous titanium. Aluminum is much better
⏹️ ▶️ John than titanium as a heat sink material.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Well, aluminum is better than glass. I think that’s the
⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John real thing. Yeah, lots of
⏹️ ▶️ John insulating things, like glass-lined thermoses and stuff. It’s not, it’s really good for insulation.
⏹️ ▶️ John Not so much for heat transfer.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Well, that’s because they create a vacuum. It’s not because, but yeah.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John Yeah. I get your
⏹️ ▶️ John point. They don’t have glass line, like not the, not the things that you have. They have glass line thermostats that don’t draw a vacuum between the edges,
⏹️ ▶️ John I think. Or maybe when I was a kid, because we used to break them accidentally. Anyway, this also leaked and Apple
⏹️ ▶️ John didn’t talk about this, but from, I was pausing there, like, you know, fake CGI images of the inside of
⏹️ ▶️ John the phone. And I’m pretty sure this is correct, that in this phone,
⏹️ ▶️ John The logic board that has the SOS has all like the electronics on it all the chips on it is Horizontal
⏹️ ▶️ John near the top of the phone from left to right like a strip for years and years The logic board has
⏹️ ▶️ John been kind of a long one edge, you know as like a vertical thing now the logic board
⏹️ ▶️ John fits Horizontally towards the top of the phone which means that the whole rest of the phone is battery Without
⏹️ ▶️ John the logic board getting in the way The only thing gets the way isn’t the SIM tray and we’ll talk about that in a second But yeah, this thing
⏹️ ▶️ John on the inside looks like the rumors said it would and it has the properties
⏹️ ▶️ John that we all hoped it would They really touted the vapor chamber cooler and the temperature and the cooling and
⏹️ ▶️ John what was their their brag was like 40% better Sustained performance over the 16 Pro. That’s what I
⏹️ ▶️ John was talking about with like say you’re playing a game for a long period of time How long does it take the thermal throttle? What kind
⏹️ ▶️ John of frame rates can it maintain? They’re bragging about sustained performance I don’t know if they even bragged at all
⏹️ ▶️ John about like peak performance or top-level performance But sustained performance is what this thing excels
⏹️ ▶️ John at because they’ve got a way to get the heat out and they showed the heat pipe Like going from the horizontal
⏹️ ▶️ John SOC like logic board thing Essentially sending the heat down the length of the phone
⏹️ ▶️ John Basically on top of where the battery is although it’s pointing outward I’m assuming so the heat is radiating out through the case
⏹️ ▶️ John or whatever But that’s where it’s moving the heat from the horizontal logic board down to the rest of the phone
⏹️ ▶️ John where there is no electronics
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah, this looks very promising as like this should be a much better thermal
⏹️ ▶️ Marco design than before now Like like I was saying last time If you just move
⏹️ ▶️ Marco the heat better out of the phone That’s not gonna help the fact that like if you have a case around it That’s insulating
⏹️ ▶️ Marco the heat from getting out like which most people do like it’s not gonna be amazing at that and the phone still has as,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco you know, unless you buy the stupid thing that I buy, the phone still has no active cooling of like a fan on the
⏹️ ▶️ Marco outside or anything like that. So like, it’s still gonna be limited to how much heat just passively
⏹️ ▶️ Marco dissipates through the case, but making it, you know, easier for the heat to get to the case
⏹️ ▶️ Marco has got to help in certain contexts. So this is a good sign.
⏹️ ▶️ John And having, I think it basically has more, more mass to heat soak essentially, because it’s
⏹️ ▶️ John like with the titanium, I think it was just took so long for the heat to transfer. Like, could the heat ever get
⏹️ ▶️ John to the, you know, the upper corner of the phone when you’re playing a game? Like, well, through the titanium, it’s gonna take
⏹️ ▶️ John a long time for the heat to slowly heat up and crawl up to the corner of the phone, whereas aluminum, I feel like it will race up
⏹️ ▶️ John there and it’ll basically fill the volume of aluminum metal
⏹️ ▶️ John with the heat to spread the heat around. So it will take longer before it’s heat soaked. And by heat soaked, we mean that there’s not
⏹️ ▶️ John enough of a heat delta between the hot thing and the thing pressing up against the hot thing for heat
⏹️ ▶️ John to move at all. And then now there’s nowhere for the heat to go. You need a temperature differential. You need
⏹️ ▶️ John something that’s one temperature to be next to something that is a different temperature for the heat to move.
⏹️ ▶️ John And if that difference gets too low, then you’re essentially heat soaked. Like there’s no place
⏹️ ▶️ John else for the heat to go except for out into the air, which can be difficult with the case or whatever. So again, we’ll
⏹️ ▶️ John see when people start testing this, but the design is promising, the materials are promising, and the things apples
⏹️ ▶️ John were touting are also promising in terms of the form factor of this thing.
⏹️ ▶️ John It is seven grams heavier than the 16 Pro and the Pro Max is six grams
⏹️ ▶️ John heavier than the 16 Pro Max. So not much heavier, but heavier. And both these
⏹️ ▶️ John phones are one half of a millimeter thicker than their 16 predecessors. So
⏹️ ▶️ John the Pro phone is the pro-est. It is big, it is thick, it’s got a big battery.
⏹️ ▶️ John The Pro Max has the biggest battery that they ever shipped. I think it’s pushing like 500 milliamp hours. Something like that.
⏹️ ▶️ John 5,000. Yeah. Even like the plateau is the biggest plateau the plateau
⏹️ ▶️ John is also they’re touting lights. It’s aluminum That’s gonna dissipate heat to this little plateau is
⏹️ ▶️ John doing some work and the rumor about the antenna lines going around the plateau turned Out to be true. They’re doing it.
⏹️ ▶️ John So that’s cool Maybe it’ll have because that if you think about it That’s a ton more of those little plastic
⏹️ ▶️ John antenna lines instead of just those tiny little strips around the edges now it seems like the entire
⏹️ ▶️ John camera plateau has a line that goes all the way around it and I do wonder if that’s gonna make the
⏹️ ▶️ John signal reception a lot better.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah, it looks very promising for a design. And I think, you know, going back a second to like the weight and the battery
⏹️ ▶️ Marco size, you know, when Apple designs a Mac laptop,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco it seems like their philosophy for a long time, and maybe not right now, we’ll see, you know, as we go forward,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco but their philosophy for a long time was basically that Mac laptop battery
⏹️ ▶️ Marco life was solved. They were good enough, and therefore, every
⏹️ ▶️ Marco time you were able to reduce the, or increase the efficiency of the laptop,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco then instead of just increasing the battery life and leaving the battery the same size, they would shrink the battery down.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco We heard the term that they were using internally was shedding excess battery.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco And they would shrink the battery down and therefore reduce a lot of other things, size, weight, et cetera,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco but also peak battery life, whenever they could. It seems like they take
⏹️ ▶️ Marco the opposite approach to wait in the iPhone, where they do whatever they
⏹️ ▶️ Marco can to save, generally, weight in the pro phones with
⏹️ ▶️ Marco these case design and materials changes and everything, but then what they wanna do is spend
⏹️ ▶️ Marco as much of those savings as possible on bigger batteries. And that’s why, as the
⏹️ ▶️ Marco phones get bigger, they’re making them heavier. And each new
⏹️ ▶️ Marco generation, with the exception of that one savings we got from titanium, Each new generation is like
⏹️ ▶️ Marco a couple of millimeters bigger and more battery. And now with this one, they made a big case design
⏹️ ▶️ Marco change with this new aluminum unibody and the new big plateau. And like, this is a huge change in, you
⏹️ ▶️ Marco know, the case is probably much lighter. They probably gained a decent amount of internal volume with the new
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Mesa design and ever plateau design. And so what do they do? They made the battery a lot
⏹️ ▶️ Marco bigger. It’s like 20% bigger. That’s why like the phone, despite the lighter case
⏹️ ▶️ Marco and everything, it got a little bit heavier. Without the lighter case and everything, it would have gotten a lot heavier.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco So, you know, at least they’re keeping it in the range it was before. I still think these phones
⏹️ ▶️ Marco are heavier than is ideal, but their philosophy with the phones is very
⏹️ ▶️ Marco clearly with the Pro, put as much battery that will fit in the case
⏹️ ▶️ Marco and we’ll just deal with the weight. And so, and I can’t argue with the utility of that. It does seem like
⏹️ ▶️ Marco most people, especially Pro buyers, want that extra battery life.
⏹️ ▶️ John Yeah, like when you have a line that this big and is this diversified, this is the role of the pro. To be the biggest, meanest,
⏹️ ▶️ John heaviest, hottest, most powerful, like that’s its role.
⏹️ ▶️ John And they continue to push it in that direction rather than like reeling it back in. And the Air gives even more breathing
⏹️ ▶️ John room. It’s like, we’ve got these other phones with all sorts of sizes and shapes that we keep trying over there, but the pro’s mission has always
⏹️ ▶️ John been clear. And they lean into that pretty heavily with the features we’ll get to in a little bit. And even here on the
⏹️ ▶️ John eSIM only models, as we mentioned, their figure that they give you. So you can look at the internals and see
⏹️ ▶️ John how much more battery we get. Well, it’s like one more square centimeter. Well, what does that translate to? Apparently two hours of video
⏹️ ▶️ John playback because that’s the only way Apple measures battery anymore. Two additional hours of video playback for having
⏹️ ▶️ John eSIM only. Why? Because the place where the SIM tray would be, we put battery there. Good,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey cool. Before we move on, something I’m very curious about, are these gonna be weighted
⏹️ ▶️ Casey in an odd way? Like, are these gonna be top heavy, particularly the Air? Or maybe the
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Air will be the opposite. maybe it’ll be top light since the battery is everywhere but the camera plateau?
⏹️ ▶️ John No, I don’t think so. Like, you’d think so volume wise, but I think you’re right that like the
⏹️ ▶️ John battery is probably the most dense and heaviest part and the battery is not in the, sometimes the battery tucks up
⏹️ ▶️ John under the plateau a little bit, but it’s mostly not there. It’s mostly the cameras which have the highest volume
⏹️ ▶️ John of air inside an iPhone, I imagine is probably inside the cameras because air is a functional part of it.
⏹️ ▶️ John Whereas it seems like every other part of it, it’s like the old story, which may or may not be true
⏹️ ▶️ John of the iPod team complaining that they couldn’t make it any smaller and Steve Jobs takes an
⏹️ ▶️ John into a conveniently placed fish tank that apparently was in the meeting room and air bubbles start coming out of it and he says,
⏹️ ▶️ John see those bubbles? That means you can make it smaller.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey It’s such a good story. I hope it’s true because it’s such a good story.
⏹️ ▶️ John the space is tight inside the iPhone. There’s not a lot of wasted space, but if there’s any, like it’s probably
⏹️ ▶️ John the air gaps inside the cameras and the Tetraprism and all that other business or whatever. So we’ll see when we get them and hold them
⏹️ ▶️ John in person. I don’t expect, I certainly don’t expect the Pro to feel top heavy at all. The Air,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey All right, let’s see, where are we? So colors we talked about, no black, I still
⏹️ ▶️ Casey think is funny. I’m not complaining, but I’m very surprised.
⏹️ ▶️ John Speaking of the no black, the other thing is the only neutral color, like white balance wise, is the silver.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Yeah, that’s true. The A19 Pro, I mean, I feel like we’ve talked about everything, right? Is there anything
⏹️ ▶️ Casey, John else we need to talk about?
⏹️ ▶️ John Nope, that’s just the A19 Pro with all the cores enabled and 40% better sustained performance because of the vapor
⏹️ ▶️ John chamber supposedly. Sounds good.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey The back panel, like we said, ceramic shield, four times more crack resistance than previous backs, or so
⏹️ ▶️ Casey, Marco talked about- You will test that.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Yeah, I’m sure I will test that. eSIM only models, like we said, bigger batteries. We talked about
⏹️ ▶️ Casey most, or no, I guess we didn’t really talk about the cameras, did we?
⏹️ ▶️ John Yep, it’s time to talk about the cameras. This is where they’re spending, again, the role of the pro phone is to
⏹️ ▶️ John have all the best stuff, camera is a real important part of the phone and this is a Pretty big year for
⏹️ ▶️ John camera upgrades to the phone again Not because of the 1x because it seems like the 1x camera the main camera
⏹️ ▶️ John is the same as it ever was But now that what they’re touting is all three back cameras are 48 megapixel
⏹️ ▶️ John quote-unquote fusion cameras we already mentioned the 48 megapixel ultra wide
⏹️ ▶️ John from the 17 and this has it as well and it also has a brand new 48
⏹️ ▶️ John megapixel pixel fusion telephoto tetraprism lens with a 56% bigger sensor
⏹️ ▶️ John than the previous gen improved 3D sensor shift image stabilization. And from what I was able to gather
⏹️ ▶️ John from Apple’s presentation and their crappy lack of tech specs on their product pages is that
⏹️ ▶️ John this is a 4x optical zoom tetraprism camera. Yes.
⏹️ ▶️ John That lets you crop into 8x. So at 4x you get at a 48 megapixel image at f2.8 with 1.4,
⏹️ ▶️ John what is that, micrometer quad pixels or 0.7 micrometer
⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey pixels? I believe
⏹️ ▶️ John yeah. And you get an 8x zoom. And so the rumors were saying this is gonna be 8x zoom telephoto and they were, you
⏹️ ▶️ John can see how they were getting that, but no, it’s a 4x optical zoom camera that you can crop in to get a 12
⏹️ ▶️ John megapixel 8x zoom thing. Again, at f2.8 with the 0.7 micrometer pixels.
⏹️ ▶️ John So as they touted, it’s our longest optical quality zoom ever. If you want to just have the decoder
⏹️ ▶️ John ring, whenever Apple says optical quality, it means not optical. It’s
⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco optical quality,
⏹️ ▶️ John but not, it’s like leaves your dishes virtually spotless. That means your dishes have spots on
⏹️ ▶️ Marco them. Yeah, typically the more qualifying words you add to a term, the less it is like that
⏹️ ▶️ John Yeah, but it is interesting because what they’re saying is like that the 5X maybe was a little bit too zoomed in. So
⏹️ ▶️ John this is optically 4X because it’s easier to zoom in. It’s much more possible
⏹️ ▶️ John to zoom in within a camera, but you can’t really zoom out. You gotta switch to a wider camera at that point. So they
⏹️ ▶️ John moved it back to say optically it’s a 4X, but it’s 48 megapixel and you can move
⏹️ ▶️ John in to 8X. The 4X is 100 millimeter equivalent, they say, and 8X is 200
⏹️ ▶️ John millimeter equivalent. So I think this is probably a better compromise. And they touted it at
⏹️ ▶️ John the end by saying, look at all the different ranges we have. It’s like you have eight cameras in one. And they basically said the main
⏹️ ▶️ John is like these two focal lengths, and the ultra-wide can do these two focal lengths, and the Tetra Prism can do these focal lengths.
⏹️ ▶️ John So I think they’re covering a good range here. And the fact that they’re all 48 megapixels is, we’ll see what the quality
⏹️ ▶️ John is like, because that doesn’t mean they’re all equally, like the quality is equally good, but the sensor is 56%
⏹️ ▶️ John bigger on the telephoto. So maybe the telephoto ones won’t be as clearly
⏹️ ▶️ John lesser quality as they used to be. I’m assuming they still will be lesser quality, but maybe it’ll be a closer race.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah, they will, because it’s still like when you compare it to the 1X sensor, The 1X sensor’s pixels, the quad
⏹️ ▶️ Marco pixel size is two, is it micrometers? The melting you, is that
⏹️ ▶️ Marco, Casey micrometers? I’m sorry. I’m saying you. All right. So anyway,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco yeah, the 1X is two micrometers of a pixel size.
⏹️ ▶️ John Instead of 1.4, yeah.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Right, and yeah, and the zoom is 1.4. So it is, it’s still a smaller sensor because like, you know, just
⏹️ ▶️ Marco optically speaking to have a longer lens, you know, in such a tiny little space, you’re probably gonna
⏹️ ▶️ Marco end up with a smaller sensor, but it is bigger than the last one. the 12 megapixel one than the last
⏹️ ▶️ Marco one. So I think overall, yeah, there’s still gonna definitely be quality
⏹️ ▶️ Marco sacrifices between the 1X pictures and the 4X pictures, no question.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco there should be a smaller difference. Like the 5X from the outgoing models was not
⏹️ ▶️ Marco a very good lens or camera or sensor at all. It was, as I mentioned last week, like it was
⏹️ ▶️ Marco functional, it was not good. It was great if you wanted to like, hey, take a picture of that really far away parking
⏹️ ▶️ Marco sign or whatever, but like you weren’t getting a lot of great art out of it. This improves the
⏹️ ▶️ Marco chances that you will get better art out of it. It’s still not going to be similar.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco It isn’t going to be to the level of the one X, but it’s going to be less of a downgrade. And as
⏹️ ▶️ Marco for the focal lanes, I think this is great. Like now you have the one
⏹️ ▶️ Marco X doing one. Well, two. Okay.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco This, this will do four pretty well. and eight, kinda okay. I
⏹️ ▶️ Marco think that’s a really good spread that covers the range well. Going from
⏹️ ▶️ Marco the 1X all the way to the 5X before, that was a big span. Ideally, I
⏹️ ▶️ Marco would love for this to be what was rumored, I believe, a while back, which was 3.5 and seven
⏹️ ▶️ Marco as the telephoto and the crop telephoto. That would be, I think, a little bit more ideal because
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I could bring it in a little bit more. because at that full 8X, the 200 millimeter equivalent for a
⏹️ ▶️ Marco full frame, that’s pretty zoomed in for
⏹️ ▶️ Marco a phone especially. That’s gonna be a stabilization challenge, and it’s
⏹️ ▶️ Marco gonna be a really tiny crop in the middle of an already not that big sensor.
⏹️ ▶️ John That’s why they’ve got improved 3D sensor shift image stabilization.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I mean, that’s great, but it’s still, you gotta fight physics here pretty hard. And
⏹️ ▶️ Marco again, I’m guessing that crop of the 8X, it’s probably, I haven’t done the math, it’s
⏹️ ▶️ Marco probably less sensor area than the outgoing 5X was,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco which is gonna mean those pictures are gonna suck. Now, that being said, they did, you know,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Casey mentioned a little bit ago, they said that the, at least on the 2X crop
⏹️ ▶️ Marco off the main sensor, they are now using machine learning enhancement of details
⏹️ ▶️ Marco at 2X. I’m assuming, I don’t know if they said, that probably also applies
⏹️ ▶️ John mode. Yeah, they did. In this section, they said, deep learning models for demosaicing. Demosaicing
⏹️ ▶️ John is how they take, like the sensors aren’t like RGB for every single pixel. They have to, they do this demosaicing
⏹️ ▶️ John thing where they take the sensor values and derive RGB pixels from the various sensors that surround
⏹️ ▶️ John them. And this is where they’re using the deep learning models to, instead of doing that sort of mechanically
⏹️ ▶️ John or straightforward way, they have models that have some awareness of what you’re taking a picture of.
⏹️ ▶️ John Demosaicing is not the same thing as, hey, I took a picture of the moon and it replaced it with like a rendered image of the moon. That’s
⏹️ ▶️ John not this. Demosaicing is a very low level thing that happens inside the camera. But we’ll see. I mean, there’s always
⏹️ ▶️ John the opportunity for there to be weird artifacts because the deep learning model knows something about the picture and does weird
⏹️ ▶️ John stuff. Hopefully third-party camera apps will be able to disable
⏹️ ▶️ John or route around that to, you know, what was that process zero, the halides thing or whatever,
⏹️ ▶️ John to get cameras that are more true to what the sensor is seeing and let you do your own processing on them. But
⏹️ ▶️ John all we have to go on now are Apple’s marketing speak. And they did tout this deep learning at new
⏹️ ▶️ John levels of their camera systems.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah, so ultimately this looks like a pretty solid upgrade for the cameras. It looks like a pretty
⏹️ ▶️ Marco significant one. We’ll see how it plays out in practice once we actually get these things and use them and see that zoomed
⏹️ ▶️ Marco in mode and everything. We’ll see, but it looks like a pretty substantial upgrade. So I’m looking forward to it.
⏹️ ▶️ John Yeah, very much so. And the real pro stuff here, you can tell it’s the real pro stuff because most people have no interest in it.
⏹️ ▶️ John That’s when you know it’s gonna be awesome. Which is ProRes RAW capture, which that’s why they have a two terabyte
⏹️ ▶️ John Pro Max. And also the phones support external storage as of like a generation or two, right? So this is
⏹️ ▶️ John for people shooting movies on iPhones, which is a thing that happens so over a surprising amount these days. So ProRes
⏹️ ▶️ John RAW and GenLock, which is a time code synchronization standard
⏹️ ▶️ John in the real like, you know, movie camera type industry. Those are features that regular people
⏹️ ▶️ John are never going to care about or use. The Genlock thing I think requires a giant external hardware brick
⏹️ ▶️ John to make it work. There is no 8K support. There was a rumor of like, maybe you can do 8K.
⏹️ ▶️ John Like it probably could if you pressed it, but no, 4K 120 is still what it is. But like the ProRes
⏹️ ▶️ John RAW capture, the external storage, the Genlock thing, these are all features for people
⏹️ ▶️ John like Apple who are shooting professional video with an iPhone, which you might think, oh, that’s just
⏹️ ▶️ John a stunt. Just Apple does that. but, and there was like, Soderbergh did a movie on iPhones years and years ago,
⏹️ ▶️ John but there is a surprising number of current movies or recent movies that have been shot either partially
⏹️ ▶️ John or entirely on iPhones and you wouldn’t even know it. So like, I look at this thing with its
⏹️ ▶️ John four, with its three 48 megapixel cameras, huge battery, vapor chamber cooling, and
⏹️ ▶️ John you know, ProRes RAW and GenLock stuff. And I’m like, this is really, you know, becoming a
⏹️ ▶️ John pro camera with a phone attached to it. And they’re really leaning in that direction. I do wonder if someday
⏹️ ▶️ John they’re actually gonna push even farther and have a model that is dedicated to being a camera. We’re not there yet. But every time
⏹️ ▶️ John they do these presentations and they have more segments that are of interest to like nobody in the
⏹️ ▶️ John audience, except for literal professional videographers, it seems weird. And on that front, I didn’t
⏹️ ▶️ John get the answer to this before the show, but, and I think I said it in one of the slacks we’re in and no one
⏹️ ▶️ John offered their opinion. Is it just me or was this presentation 60 FPS?
⏹️ ▶️ John question and I don’t know. I don’t know either, because I couldn’t figure out from the video stream. Once it’s downloadable, I’ll
⏹️ ▶️ John check to see. That could have just been my imagination, because HDR sometimes looks unreal or whatever. But
⏹️ ▶️ John if it was 60, like, because they shot on iPhone. They said they shot on iPhone. They’ve shot past ones on iPhones or whatever. And the iPhone, you
⏹️ ▶️ John can choose how you want to shoot it, but it does support 4K 120, it supports 4K 60. I do
⏹️ ▶️ John wonder if this was shot at 60 frames per second. I couldn’t tell immediately, but something looked weird
⏹️ ▶️ John to me. It does kind of, I’m
⏹️ ▶️ Marco looking back, like at the people sections, it does look like it. Yeah, I think it might be.
⏹️ ▶️ John I kind of think of it because I shoot my movies in 60 FPS too, which it looks different. We’re
⏹️ ▶️ John used to like movies are in 24 frames a second, TV is in 30 in this country, or 29.97, whatever the hell.
⏹️ ▶️ John So 60 does look a little bit different, but yeah, this camera, even especially the Orange,
⏹️ ▶️ John it’s kind of like a thing that you would see on a movie set, like a piece of professional video equipment,
⏹️ ▶️ John more than a phone that people use. But anyway, it’s a powerful camera,
⏹️ ▶️ John It’s a powerful phone. It’s both things in one.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Uh, all right. So the camera, the phones all look great. We’ll talk more about them in a minute. Uh, the accessories
⏹️ ▶️ Casey tech woven is here. Uh, the, just as the rumors announced, uh, they
⏹️ ▶️ Casey specifically called out, there are, they’re resistant to stains, which is kind of funny.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Uh, there’s also clear cases, Silicon cases, and all cases have a new button design and they
⏹️ ▶️ Casey all work or no, I’m sorry, not all of them. Some of them work with the crossbody strap. the tech woven for iPhone
⏹️ ▶️ Casey pros and the silicone cases for all the iPhones.
⏹️ ▶️ John Yeah, and again, if you go to the case product pages, go through the images to like, towards the end they’ll show
⏹️ ▶️ John one of the bottom of the phone. If you wanna look for those like vampire holes, which is interesting, because
⏹️ ▶️ John if you’re not interested in lanyard, you’re like, why are there these four extra, very large holes on the bottom
⏹️ ▶️ John of my iPhone case? Well, it’s for there in case you wanna put a lanyard on it. And I’m very curious to see someone
⏹️ ▶️ John take these apart and say, what’s behind those holes? because there’s got to be some kind of reinforcement because it was
⏹️ ▶️ John like on a silicone case you can’t just have silicone there like anything you any lanyard you put in there we just rip through in two seconds
⏹️ ▶️ John so that’s interesting and these all these ones with lanyard straps that I’ve seen are closed bottom which
⏹️ ▶️ John makes sense but yeah tech woven looks interesting I’m trying to kind of encouraging my wife
⏹️ ▶️ John to get tech woven just so we can see what it’s like she got fine woven and didn’t mind it but
⏹️ ▶️ John I’m interested to at least feel what tech woven looks like and again kudos to the room mill for getting the name as well. And I’m also
⏹️ ▶️ John interested in like, they glossed over it and you just mentioned it too, but like, oh, we have better buttons. How? Why? What’s
⏹️ ▶️ John better about them? I don’t know. We’ll find out.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah, I don’t know. I’m glad they are continuing to try this. Based on the website
⏹️ ▶️ Marco photos of TekWoven, I’m not really sold. I think Peak Design’s Everyday Case looks
⏹️ ▶️ Marco a lot better as like a fabric nice case. We’ll see. I mean, I’ll
⏹️ ▶️ Marco certainly want to play with them in the store once I see them, but so far TechWoven is not
⏹️ ▶️ Marco really drawing me to it.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Yeah, so at this point they start talking about the iPhone 17 Pro Max and I’m getting real nervous
⏹️ ▶️ Casey because they said, oh, there’s four iPhones. The iPhone 17, the iPhone Air,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey the iPhone 17 Pro, and oh, here comes the iPhone 17 Pro Max. What are all the ways
⏹️ ▶️ Casey it’s going to be all kinds of better? And I’m thinking, oh, God, I’m going to have to go up in size again, which I didn’t mind
⏹️ ▶️ Casey when I did with 15 Pro Max, but I was not keen on the idea of going big again.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey And they basically said, well, you can get two terabytes.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco That’s it. Yeah. That’s certainly the only difference.
⏹️ ▶️ John Yeah. So much for the optical zoom 5x to 8x. Nope. Doesn’t exist. There’s nothing
⏹️ ▶️ John different about it. It’s got a humongous battery. If you want, it’s the biggest battery ever, the longest battery
⏹️ ▶️ John life ever. Yada, yada, yada. It’s a big phone, but it’s not appreciably different than
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Which I am very excited about as I said earlier all the iPhones as we mentioned started 256 gigs prices 17 starts 800
⏹️ ▶️ Casey bucks the air starts at a thousand 17 pro at $1,100 pre-ordering
⏹️ ▶️ Casey this Friday at 8 a.m. And the one true time zone available the following Friday on September
⏹️ ▶️ Casey 19th which is the way it’s been for years now.
OS and app updates
⏹️ ▶️ Casey iOS 26 available Monday the 15th. This is not what this episode
⏹️ ▶️ Casey is about, but I’m going to tell you right now, Call Sheet is not even going to be close to September 15th. However,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey I will put in a plug for Overcast, which I’m not saying it will be available on the 15th. I’ll let Marco talk in
⏹️ ▶️ Casey one second, but I will say I’m on the beta and it looks good. So get excited for that.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Thank you so much. Yeah, it’s I submitted it to Apple earlier this evening.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco So we’ll see if it gets through AppReview in time. Who knows if it will, but that’s always
⏹️ ▶️ Marco a wild card to some degree, but I think it probably will. And this is the first
⏹️ ▶️ Marco year in, oh geez, many years that I have been
⏹️ ▶️ Marco ready on day one with an update to take advantage of the OS, the new OS.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco That being said, it’s not perfect. Neither is the OS. So
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I, you know, there’s, there’s a couple little like visual glitch bugs that I have not yet figured
⏹️ ▶️ Marco out how to fix. Like it seems like it’s iOS bugs like okay I guess I’ll have to deal with that
⏹️ ▶️ Marco but I’m pretty proud of where it where it landed after a very bumpy summer
⏹️ ▶️ Marco very bumpy but I think I took a place my prediction earlier in
⏹️ ▶️ Marco the year when there were rumors of a redesign of the OS and I said
⏹️ ▶️ Marco back then if they do that that’s all we will have time to do this fall
⏹️ ▶️ Marco no new features that’s basically true that’s basically what happened. So Overcast
⏹️ ▶️ Marco is ready for the redesign, basically, and there are almost no new features.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco So that’s where I landed. I look forward to the rest of the year of actually working on features,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Yeah, and CallSheet, I have been working very hard on it, particularly in the last few weeks, even despite
⏹️ ▶️ Casey the fact that my house is periodically underwater. I don’t want to talk about it. But suffice to say,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey I am starting to make progress. I tweeted earlier, or whatever we call mastodoning
⏹️ ▶️ Casey earlier, that I can almost see a speck of light at the end of the tunnel, which is a lot better than I could say about
⏹️ ▶️ Casey a day ago. So, uh, I’m planning on something, no promises. I’m planning on something for,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey uh, iOS 26, but it almost certainly will not be in September and I, I am aiming for
⏹️ ▶️ Casey early October, but we’ll see what happens. John, since I’ve brought this up, even though I told us, I told everyone we weren’t going to talk about
⏹️ ▶️ Casey it. What is the situation in as few words as possible for your, uh, app library?
⏹️ ▶️ John Well, most importantly, this wasn’t in the presentation, but we all saw it afterwards in like Apple’s
⏹️ ▶️ John press releases and on their website or wherever that iOS 26 is coming out September 15th. When I saw someone post
⏹️ ▶️ John an image that Tahoe is coming out September 15th, I’m like, that’s gotta be a joke. Because
⏹️ ▶️ John like for many, many years until very recently, Mac OS would always come out later than
⏹️ ▶️ John like iPad OS and iOS or whatever, because this is not as important. And sometimes it was awkward because there’d be like some kind of feature
⏹️ ▶️ John with like synchronizing a new version of notes and was like, but the new version of Mac OS isn’t out yet, what should I do or whatever?
⏹️ ▶️ John And I was like, well, this year, I bet they’ll just, they’ll wait on Mac OS because like Mac OS will come out
⏹️ ▶️ John in October or something because it’s so clearly not ready to ship, right? Nope, Mac OS
⏹️ ▶️ John Tahoe, Monday, September 15th, which boggles my mind as someone who’s been using Tahoe
⏹️ ▶️ John every single beta for a huge amount of time, like I cannot believe they’re going to ship this.
⏹️ ▶️ John I would strongly advise people maybe think twice
⏹️ ▶️ John about upgrading to Tahoe 26.0 because things are rough.
⏹️ ▶️ John And not just in the OS itself, because a lot of the things that I found in my apps is that Tahoe broke my
⏹️ ▶️ John apps. Things that used to work stopped working and I had to figure out why are they not
⏹️ ▶️ John working? And how can I make them work on both Tahoe and the older OS? That has
⏹️ ▶️ John been frustrating and any app, any Mac app that has not been updated to
⏹️ ▶️ John do what I just described on Tahoe is going to have things that are broken in it that are through essentially no
⏹️ ▶️ John fault of the developer because they worked fine on like whatever all the previous OSs that it
⏹️ ▶️ John supported, but now Tahoe broke them because lots of stuff in Tahoe is broken. In fact,
⏹️ ▶️ John I just added a feature like two days ago to try to work around my misunderstanding of how a new Tahoe feature is
⏹️ ▶️ John supposed to work and now I realize I have to undo that and redo it in a different way. So I have not submitted my
⏹️ ▶️ John app for app review. It’s gonna be, or any of my apps for app review, it’s gonna be
⏹️ ▶️ John quite a race to the finish. In particular, Switch Glass is the most broken,
⏹️ ▶️ John so I really need to get that one out, but that’s also the one where I have to redo the work I just did two days ago,
⏹️ ▶️ John because now I have a better way, I misunderstood the way some features supposed to work in Daho. And so
⏹️ ▶️ John I did a weird thing that wasn’t helping and didn’t work and I have a better idea for it now. But I’m up against
⏹️ ▶️ John it for all these things. I’m gonna submit all my apps and upload all my apps and cross my fingers, because
⏹️ ▶️ John they’re every single thing that I’ve written, all five of the apps that I publish, three of which are on the Mac App Store,
⏹️ ▶️ John two of which are dinky, like do nothing helper apps, whatever, all of them have code changes, like
⏹️ ▶️ John functional code changes that you will want if you’re running Tahoe. So I’m gonna try to be there on day
⏹️ ▶️ John one. I think I’ll be able to submit all my apps within the next two days, but then it’s the question mark about
⏹️ ▶️ John app review, and if I make it through and yada yada. But the most shocking news of the entire
⏹️ ▶️ John day is that they’re shipping Tahoe in September. Why, what’s the rush? It totally needs more work. Please,
⏹️ ▶️ John please work on it more. So much stuff is broken anyway. Be careful out there.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey For podcasters, uh, Roga Miba makes some really incredible, um, apps that we
⏹️ ▶️ Casey use to record our microphones and things like that. I don’t remember if they sponsored in the past, but they’re friends
⏹️ ▶️ Casey and they really do make incredible stuff. And typically they’re not day one for new releases, although
⏹️ ▶️ Casey they’re usually very close. And so I’m not usually a day one upgrader, but I’m typically a month one an upgrader
⏹️ ▶️ Casey and I gotta tell you, I don’t know if that’s gonna be me on Tahoe any time soon. I don’t wanna be that guy,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey that old man, but I think I might wait a while, cause
⏹️ ▶️ John Wait a little bit. Like, cause I can’t even tell you like, is the 0.1 gonna be like a huge relief or are
⏹️ ▶️ John we gonna have to wait to like the 0.4 or 0.5 for things to settle down? Because
⏹️ ▶️ John so much basic stuff is broken and janky and weird. Again, not just in the parts of the OS that you’ll use,
⏹️ ▶️ John like, oh, this dialog box looked weird and this button was misaligned and this text was over there. Yeah, you’ll see that. but in the APIs
⏹️ ▶️ John that third-party apps use, APIs that used to work fine and now do something weird or janky. And that’s
⏹️ ▶️ John where you’re gonna see it because it’s gonna be like, you’re gonna upgrade and even if the OS is fine, all the apps that you
⏹️ ▶️ John have that didn’t update on day one along with you are gonna do weird stuff. So I really wish they had
⏹️ ▶️ John held this one back. I don’t understand why they’re rushing it out, but someone said the deadline and it
⏹️ ▶️ John looks like all the OS is watchOS, iOS, iPadOS, presumably tvOS. September
⏹️ ▶️ John 15th, whether they’re ready or not and they’re mostly not.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah, everything is remarkably in sync with today’s releases. Like all
⏹️ ▶️ Marco the OSs are coming out Monday. All of the, every single product that was announced today
⏹️ ▶️ Marco is coming out the 19th. Like everything is totally synced up.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey So we’ll see what happens, but for what it’s worth, I’ve been running the iOS betas for the last several betas. They’re
⏹️ ▶️ Casey not perfect. They still feel like betas to me. I just, as we were recording,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey upgraded to the release candidate. I think that’s fine. I wouldn’t
⏹️ ▶️ Casey enthusiastically suggest it, but I think it is fine on iOS. And if you’re an iPad user,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey again, there’s foibles and issues and things, but the new windowing
⏹️ ▶️ Casey is incredible. So I do strongly advise, if you’re willing to put up with a little bit of
⏹️ ▶️ Casey inconsistencies, upgrading to the latest iPadOS, But yeah, we’ll see about Tahoe.
Buying choices
⏹️ ▶️ Casey All right, anything, oh, we have to talk about what we’re planning to buy or did already buy. I can tell you that
⏹️ ▶️ Casey I think I said earlier, I am in for a pair of AirPods Pro 3. I plan to buy
⏹️ ▶️ Casey a blue iPhone Pro Max in whatever capacity this Pro, or excuse me, I said
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Pro Max, I did not mean that, an iPhone 17 Pro in whatever capacity I currently have, which I think is 512.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey And I will probably be getting Erin an orange one because her school colors are actually
⏹️ ▶️ Casey orange and blue. And so together we will, we will look really great at UVA tailgates. But anyways, you look like
⏹️ ▶️ Casey the Denver Broncos or the university of Virginia. But anyways, uh, the point is, is that she’ll be getting
⏹️ ▶️ Casey a orange. As far as I know, I haven’t really spoken to her about it. I’ll be getting the blue and I don’t plan on
⏹️ ▶️ Casey getting a watch as I said, and I will be definitely looking at, and probably lusting after the
⏹️ ▶️ Casey air, but again, because of the thermals, because of the cameras, I don’t
⏹️ ▶️ Casey expect to desire to own one or certainly not to have that be my only phone. but
⏹️ ▶️ Casey we’ll see what happens. Marco, what are you planning to do?
⏹️ ▶️ Marco As mentioned earlier, I was going into this event expecting to have the Air as my phone.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco And then once I saw the combination of not really liking the way the Air looks
⏹️ ▶️ Marco and the orange of the Pro being pretty good looking so far, I changed my mind on that.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco And so I’m going with 17 Pro, the regular size,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco probably 256, because I’ve been getting 256 for a while. It’s been
⏹️ ▶️ Marco fine. I’m like, I’m near the edge of it. So maybe I go 512 this year, but it’s another $200. And
⏹️ ▶️ Marco like, eh, it seems like it might be wasteful. As wasteful as any of this is.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco But you know, I think I’m gonna skip the watch. I don’t
⏹️ ▶️ Marco really think I need one for any reason this year. And if I do skip it, I think
⏹️ ▶️ Marco that’ll be the first Apple Watch generation that I skip.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Oh, interesting. I’m on the John plan for Apple Watches, generally speaking. I typically only go every other year.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey I’m sure that’s been not true at some point in my life, but generally speaking, that’s what I do. So you’re on
⏹️ ▶️ Casey the every year plan, generally speaking?
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I have been, and in large part, in the earlier days especially, that was because developing an Apple Watch
⏹️ ▶️ Marco app, you would want every bit of performance you can get because it was such a sluggish process, like transferring
⏹️ ▶️ Marco the app over and debugging it and launching it. It was so awful that if you upgraded
⏹️ ▶️ Marco a watch every year, Each time you could save like, you know, minutes per run
⏹️ ▶️ Marco of your app. Like it was significant. That’s no longer really the case.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco So I think I’m probably gonna skip the watch this year. Certainly for now I’m skipping it. We’ll see,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco you know, as the year goes on, if I need a bigger one for any reason. Like my old, my testing Ultra is the first
⏹️ ▶️ Marco gen Ultra and it’s pretty old and worn at this point. So maybe I’ll get the Ultra later in the year for testing,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco but I probably don’t need to. And then, you know, Tiff’s getting the Orange
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Pro. She skips iPhones now every other year. But she’s up for one, so she’s
⏹️ ▶️ Marco also getting Orange. We’re gonna be a dual Orange family. But I figure like that’s okay, I make an Orange app.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco That’s fine, we’re all team Overcast over here.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Is she not Pro Max? I had in my mind
⏹️ ▶️ Casey, Marco that she’s Pro Max. She’s Max, yeah, sorry, she’s Max. Oh, okay,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco okay. Yeah, and then we’re both getting new AirPods because they’re awesome and we use them constantly.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Good deal. John, you said this is an off year for you, is that right?
⏹️ ▶️ John Yep, no new phone for me this year. Although I will say this is the first year I was tempted to try the
⏹️ ▶️ John AirPods Pro for two reasons. One, the different shape, and two,
⏹️ ▶️ John the five different tips. I don’t like things in my ears, but I’m always like, well, maybe it’s not as bad.
⏹️ ▶️ John Maybe I’ll try it. I tried the AirPods One, I tried the AirPods Two, and I was like, nope, nope, nope. And I’m like, well, maybe these ones. They’ve got
⏹️ ▶️ John a foam tip, they’re a different shape, yada, yada, like, because I like the feature set. The only thing I don’t like about them is having
⏹️ ▶️ John stuff shoved into my ear holes, which is why I still use the AirPods 4. But I’m not gonna
⏹️ ▶️ John do it. Like maybe I’ll wait to see if someone else has them in my family that I can try theirs out or something,
⏹️ ▶️ John but I don’t know. Anyway, all this is to say is I found them to be an impressive product that almost tempted me
⏹️ ▶️ John to order them, but I didn’t. Instead, it’s the whole rest of the family’s year to get a phone. So my wife and I trade
⏹️ ▶️ John off years. This is not my year to get a new phone. I have a 16 Pro. I’m keeping my 16 Pro for another year. She has a 15 Pro.
⏹️ ▶️ John She is going to get a 17 Pro. She was waffling between the orange and the silver,
⏹️ ▶️ John but I was trying to push her a little bit towards the silver just because she likes to have
⏹️ ▶️ John colorful cases and orange is not gonna go with a lot of case colors. Even like, she was like, well, maybe I get
⏹️ ▶️ John a purple case with it again, to your point, Casey, about that. But like, you don’t, you have limited options to
⏹️ ▶️ John coordinate case colors with that orange. And you’re gonna see a lot of the orange because the gigantic camera plateau is very visible
⏹️ ▶️ John through the case. So she seems to be leaning towards silver. Both my kids
⏹️ ▶️ John are getting plain 17. My daughter has chosen sage. My son is not responding to my texts.
⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco know what color he wants.
⏹️ ▶️ John My daughter 256 is fine with her, she’s not even using all the 128. I actually looked at my phone while you were talking about storage,
⏹️ ▶️ John Margo, and I’m at 263 usage on my 512, so I couldn’t get a 256 or I shouldn’t
⏹️ ▶️ John get a 256 because I’d really be pressing up against the edge of it, but my kids are not using that much storage, probably because
⏹️ ▶️ John they don’t have that many photos yet. And my daughter is currently
⏹️ ▶️ John using the clear case, so we’ll be getting a clear case for her 17. My son has been using hardbox
⏹️ ▶️ John cases, but I’m going to see if I can convince him to try one of the Apple cases this year. see. My daughter has
⏹️ ▶️ John also been using a MagSafe wallet
⏹️ ▶️ John to put like her student ID in or whatever because she’s in college now. But she’s got complaints about it and apparently
⏹️ ▶️ John she says that it’s hard to take the cards out because she got some cheap like Amazon third-party MagSafe wallet
⏹️ ▶️ John and having trouble getting the cards in and out. And she says that her like student ID like door loop
⏹️ ▶️ John thing like that you press up against the door to open the door. She seems to to think that the magnets interfere with
⏹️ ▶️ John that and I’m not sure if it’s the magnets in the wallet or the magnets in the phone or whatever. I was suggesting to her
⏹️ ▶️ John she should get an Apple MagSafe case instead of this weird third-party Amazon case
⏹️ ▶️ John that she liked because it had pretty flowers on it and maybe that will work better performance-wise
⏹️ ▶️ John with the camera thing but her current plan is to get the clear Apple case and then buy
⏹️ ▶️ John a sticky, as in like permanent stick-on sticker wallet, to stick to the Apple
⏹️ ▶️ John clear case which of course means she can no no longer stick it to the mag safe mount in the car because there will be a wallet permanently attached
⏹️ ▶️ John there. But she doesn’t have a car at college anyway. So this is an ongoing struggle. Like what I’m
⏹️ ▶️ John trying to do is I need to get everybody’s orders in. Tell me color, figure out the storage.
⏹️ ▶️ John What kind of cases do you want? And then so I can be prepared when these orders go live, which is what, the
⏹️ ▶️ John 12th Friday? So I can be there on Friday to order three phones. And
⏹️ ▶️ John I’ll mostly be concentrating on my wife’s because I imagine the plane 17 will be easy to get. But yeah, that’s the plan.
⏹️ ▶️ John Even though it’s quote unquote not my year for a phone, we’re buying three iPhones.
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⏹️ ▶️ Marco Overtime. Every week we do a bonus topic called ATP Overtime. This week in Overtime we’re gonna be talking about
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Apple’s competing implementations for the new Siri. There’s been a lot of rumors around that,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco and so we’re gonna be talking about that in overtime. All right, you can join to listen at atv.fm slash join. Thanks everybody and we’ll talk
Ending theme
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Now the show is over, they didn’t even mean to begin Cause
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⏹️ ▶️ Casey oh it was accidental John didn’t
⏹️ ▶️ John do any research, Marco and Casey wouldn’t let him Cause it was accidental,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey oh it was accidental And you can find the show notes
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⏹️ ▶️ John S-I-R-A-C-U-S-A-C-R-A-Q-U-S-A It’s
⏹️ ▶️ Marco didn’t mean to Accidental, check podcast so long
After-show
⏹️ ▶️ John I was going to interrupt you during your spiel to clarify that if you want to hear more of us, yeah, there’s always the after
⏹️ ▶️ John show. Like our show is such a confusing format for new listeners. Like, I think I’m already getting overtime because after they say that I
⏹️ ▶️ John always hear more of the show. You’re hearing the after show, not overtime, which comes after the after show. I
⏹️ ▶️ John know it’s confusing, but you know, hopefully I feel like the people who are considering
⏹️ ▶️ John purchasing membership have probably been listening long enough to have internalized our weird format and understand
⏹️ ▶️ John that overtime is not the same as the after show.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Also, you know people I think people are able to look at their podcast app and they’re good And they
⏹️ ▶️ Marco can probably see like oh There’s still 15 minutes left like granted a lot of shows put a
⏹️ ▶️ Marco whole bunch of crap at the end that you skip past But like 15 minutes would be a lot like that that would be
⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John you’re saying 15 minutes for the
⏹️ ▶️ John because our overtime is usually longer than 15 minutes
⏹️ ▶️ Marco No I’m saying yeah for the after show because you know I’m saying like you know a lot of a lot of like you know the Big market podcast like the
⏹️ ▶️ Marco podcast made by staffs of 10 people a lot of times their actual content
⏹️ ▶️ Marco ends a good three minutes before the actual file ends because they’re going through
⏹️ ▶️ Marco you know our editor the sequence so and so the music by so and so and then they have three minutes of promos and
⏹️ ▶️ Marco ads after all of that like so you could be forgiven if you look at your podcast
⏹️ ▶️ Marco app as a listener and we see you next week and and you see there’s like you know two and a half three
⏹️ ▶️ Marco minutes left you could be forgiven for saying all right Marcus played move on but if you see there’s like 10
⏹️ ▶️ Marco or 15 more minutes like okay, there’s probably content somewhere in there.
⏹️ ▶️ John Speaking of content, anyone have an after show? No. You kidding?
⏹️ ▶️ Casey No. I feel like I had an idea earlier and then it jumped right out of my head,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I think I’m gonna actually, like I was taking out my Apple Watch Ultra earlier and I have a
⏹️ ▶️ Marco couple of iPhone 14s for testing, I have some old iPhone SEs.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I think I’m gonna do a big Apple trade-in for all this stuff. Like, you know, you get maybe a hundred bucks
⏹️ ▶️ Marco for most of the stuff. Like you don’t get a lot, but I have a lot of them. Yeah.
⏹️ ▶️ John Be prepared for disappointment. Apple’s official trade in prices are not great.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco No. And, and yeah, you know, there are other, like, you know, people often ask like, you know, what, what do you do with your old things?
⏹️ ▶️ Marco And like, there are other trade insights. Many of many of which pay a bit more than Apple
⏹️ ▶️ Marco does, but. Apple’s trade in is really easy and reliable and usually is fine.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Now, like with many things, like, you know, you could, you could sell your phones on eBay
⏹️ ▶️ Marco and make the most money or sell them privately and make even more because you know you then you wouldn’t be paying eBay’s fees
⏹️ ▶️ Marco you know but that’s you’re taking on more work and more risk and so like
⏹️ ▶️ Marco everything it’s like well there’s options if you want to take on very little work and very little risk
⏹️ ▶️ Marco but you will make less money but right now these things are mostly just sitting around like in drawers and stuff like waiting
⏹️ ▶️ Marco to be tested and my test fleet is quickly aging and now that I’m
⏹️ ▶️ Marco you know on iOS 26 I like overcast works on iOS 18 but
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I don’t think I’m gonna keep that for that long like maybe six months and then I’m really gonna only need like
⏹️ ▶️ Marco one set of test devices so I think I think I have a bunch of stuff I want to clear out here
⏹️ ▶️ Marco and rather than mail it all to you I you know I’ll wait so it’s worthless before I mail it to you well it’s
⏹️ ▶️ Marco still worth something I’ll send to Apple and get some get some credit
⏹️ ▶️ John yeah speaking of iPhone fleets and cameras or phones that and drawers. My wife,
⏹️ ▶️ John as people know who listen to the show, has many phones, usually on her at the same time, anywhere
⏹️ ▶️ John from two to three, four, depending if she has her work phone. She’s got a lot of iPhones,
⏹️ ▶️ John so much so that they weigh a lot in her purse. And why? Because she’s doing Pokemon Go. So a lot
⏹️ ▶️ John of our older phones end up going into the Pokemon Go fleet because she plays multiple
⏹️ ▶️ John accounts, along with the auto-catching things and stuff like Anyway, I bring this
⏹️ ▶️ John up just to celebrate one of my wife’s dreams come true recently.
⏹️ ▶️ John She always wanted to have whatever we’d go like on vacation or somewhere or someone else’s house
⏹️ ▶️ John or like one of my kids dorm room or they say, you’re so lucky you have a pokey stop within range
⏹️ ▶️ John of like your bedroom so you can spin the stop and do all the things that you need
⏹️ ▶️ John to do and maintain your streaks from your own house. And
⏹️ ▶️ John now finally her dream has come true. There is a Pokestop within range of our house.
⏹️ ▶️ John she had a friend who is experienced at suggesting new Pokestops and
⏹️ ▶️ John knows how to like do it and work the system. And she sent him suggestions. Can you please suggest this,
⏹️ ▶️ John this, and this place? And he did it. He got a Pokestop to be near our house. So now she can spin
⏹️ ▶️ John stops from the comfort of her own bedroom. She’s probably doing it as we speak right now.
⏹️ ▶️ John She’s very excited about this. I feel like, isn’t Pokemon Go the game that’s supposed to make you get up and walk around and now
⏹️ ▶️ John you’re celebrating the fact that you can do part of the game from within your house? And she’s like, well, I’d be in my house at night anyway.
⏹️ ▶️ John And this just lets me, on the alternate phones that I’m not carrying with me all the time, this lets me
⏹️ ▶️ John maintain my streaks or whatever on my secondary and tertiary and quaternary phones or whatever.
⏹️ ▶️ John Anyway, she’s super excited about it and I’m happy for her. But all this is to say is that phones have a real hard time
⏹️ ▶️ John leaving our house because what
⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco actually happens to them It’s
⏹️ ▶️ John cycled into the Pokemon Go fleet. And that’s a harsh life for a phone. Because they’re
⏹️ ▶️ John on all the time, they’re running that game all the time. Like when you run a game.
⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco To me, well,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco you’re the one preserving your battery, like taking every possible precaution.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco This is where the phones are gonna end up.
⏹️ ▶️ John Only to have a trash. If you run Pokemon Go as the only app you run on your phone, and you have to leave
⏹️ ▶️ John the phone essentially on and running that game to do the auto-catching thing and stuff, it
⏹️ ▶️ John slaughters the batteries. I think it just murders them. And so yeah, it’s
⏹️ ▶️ John a short, brutal life for these things. Eventually they become worthless and just get recycled. I have brought
⏹️ ▶️ John things to the Apple store for recycling, not for trade-in, but just for like,
⏹️ ▶️ John I don’t have to pay you, and please just take this and make it go away. They don’t give me any money, I don’t give them any money. I figured
⏹️ ▶️ John it’s a fair deal to get rid of this battery, which I would otherwise have to take to like the electronics recycling
⏹️ ▶️ John thing or whatever. I just give it to Apple and they do something good with it. And that’s, that is
⏹️ ▶️ John ultimately the end stage of phones in our household. We do have a big box of stuff in the attic, but
⏹️ ▶️ John I save some ones that I have sentimental value. Like I think we’ve got her iPhone 4S cause I love that
⏹️ ▶️ John one. I think we’ve got a five. I’ve got my pristine iPhone seven with no scratches on it.
⏹️ ▶️ John I think we have a six in there somewhere. I have some sort of like iconic phones
⏹️ ▶️ John that I’m saving, but yeah, a lot of them just go to the Pokemon Go farm upstate
⏹️ ▶️ John and they never return.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco That’s so sad. Like I’m picturing, you know, like when we first learned
⏹️ ▶️ Marco in Wii sports that you could play like tennis, just kind of sitting on the couch, like flicking your wrist, you’re
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Oh, that kind of ruins the, the image of this game.
⏹️ ▶️ John Again, her argument is that she still has to go to like community day and do raids and blah, blah, blah. But she’s excited about
⏹️ ▶️ John like, she’s like, if we get enough things, then we can get a gym near the house and then she can occupy the gym and
⏹️ ▶️ John defend it and do it. Like she still goes out and does she’s out doing Pokemon stuff all the time. So she is getting out of the
⏹️ ▶️ John house and doing it, but apparently it’s like, well, look, at some point I am going to come home at some point, I’m going to go to
⏹️ ▶️ John bed. It would be great if I could spin stops from there. And now she can.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco And meanwhile, I’m sure that, you know, the, the poke corporation or whatever is like this new poke
⏹️ ▶️ Marco stop has amazing loyalty and performance from these like 10 accounts that no one else
⏹️ ▶️ Marco goes there, but these 10 accounts just love this place.
⏹️ ▶️ John Yeah. It’s not 10 accounts. I think she’s only got three, maybe four. I don’t keep track.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Gracious. I mean, I briefly played Pokemon Go mostly at Declan’s insistence,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey and I understood the draw in general. I’m not sure I would have gotten to the point
⏹️ ▶️ Casey of carrying 34 phones simultaneously and trying to power 34 phones. I didn’t know. What does her charging
⏹️ ▶️ Casey situation look like at night? I mean, my word.
⏹️ ▶️ John Yeah, there are. It’s one of the problems with our charging area. She was just
⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco talking about. Have you ever seen
⏹️ ▶️ Marco one of those like docs that charges fleets of iPads for schools? Yeah, we
⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John do. Yeah. It’s like,
⏹️ ▶️ John it’s like, um, it’s kind of like a, uh, what would you call it? like a dish rack where like you put the phone sideways
⏹️ ▶️ John into the thing. We’ve had that for years and like it charges them slowly. It’s not a very fast charger, but it’s got
⏹️ ▶️ John a capacity for a lot of stuff. But she was just saying, okay, now that the kids are both gonna have USB-C
⏹️ ▶️ John phones, we can get rid of a lot of these lightning things. She’s like, but just leave the long lightning ones because all the old lightning
⏹️ ▶️ John phones that she uses are like, they don’t fit in the slots. They’re off to the side. So she uses
⏹️ ▶️ John the long cables to connect to the lightning ones and the short cables just go up to the devices. So we’re gonna have to
⏹️ ▶️ John do some recycling of our powering cables, but rest assured we will still have plenty of lightning devices until
⏹️ ▶️ John all of the lightning devices age out slash die out from our Pokemon fleet.