654: Athletically Engaged
28 Aug 2025The final iOS 26 developer push, the upcoming iPhone event, and exciting news about… iPhone-case materials!
Episode Description:
- Pre-Show: Casey and Marco are sad
- Follow-up:
- 🗣️ It’s St. Jude time again! 🗣️
- Anonymous crushes the dreams of Marco and Casey about cellular MacBooks
- Another Anonymous shares a bit too much information about accidental Siri activations 😆
- 🤬 John’s AppleCare One update 🤬
- Help with Trackpad dragging
System Settings→Accessibility→Pointer Control→Trackpad Options…→Dragging Style→Three Finger Drag- …or
Drag Lock
- Masimo comes for [more] blood
- UK drops utterly bananas backdoor legislation
- Studio Display with A19
- Daniel Luz points out makes a funny comparison to Macs
- Fabian Häusler theorizes it’s about binning
- Apple’s Hide my Email feature
- An unexpected wrinkle Timothy Martin points out
- Anecdote from David Beck
- Apple Event: 9 September 1PM OTTZ
- Interactive logo
- Reverse-engineering by sam henri gold
- “TechWoven” and “Liquid Silicone” cases leaked
- Maijin Bu on TechWoven
- …and on Liquid Silicone (and again)
- Apple will simplify the Camera Control button
- Ask ATP:
- What’s the ∆ between snapshots and backups? (via Phil Hirst)
- Why is Finder slow to delete files? (via Dan)
- How will Apple reconcile AI and carbon neutrality? (via Sam Hunt)
- Post-show: Some venting about politics and 𝓍26.
- Members-only ATP Overtime: Rumored Apple roadmap
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Chapters
- iOS 26 developer status
- Donate to St. Jude
- Cellular/M4 Ultra: probably not
- Third-wheel Siri
- AppleCare One “solution”
- Three-finger drag
- Watch blood-oxygen update
- UK-backdoor update
- Studio Display SOC rumors
- Hide My Email domain locks
- Sponsor: Sentry
- iPhone event announced 🖼️
- TechWoven? 🖼️
- Liquid Silicone? 🖼️
- iPhone 18 Camera Control rumor
- Sponsor: DeleteMe (code ATP)
- #askatp: Snapshots vs. backups
- #askatp: Finder slow with tons of files
- #askatp: AI vs. Apple 2030
- Ending theme
- After-show
iOS 26 developer status
⏹️ ▶️ Casey I have to tell you I’m having a sad.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Oh, what’s going on?
⏹️ ▶️ Casey First of all, I have a cold, which is why I sound funny. So let me just get that out right in front of everything. But- Me
⏹️ ▶️ Marco But it’s summer, you’re not supposed to have a-
⏹️ ▶️ John daughter came down with something right before she was gonna go to school and she decided to give it to everybody. So
⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey anyway, here we
⏹️ ▶️ Casey are. Similarly, my daughter went to school and shared all those germs with all of us,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey which is delightful.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco School is the source of all germs, especially when young children go to school for the first time, like
⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John kindergarten. Oh, that’s
⏹️ ▶️ Marco where all viruses come from. Yep. But, you know, certainly it doesn’t get that much better as they get
⏹️ ▶️ Marco through the older grades. Yeah,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey no, it’s so true. So I’m having a sad because I had a
⏹️ ▶️ Casey really solid plan for a light redesign of call sheet
⏹️ ▶️ Casey for iOS 26. And the gist of it is, is
⏹️ ▶️ Casey that I was going to move to the system,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey in SwiftUI it’s not searchable, but the system search box and search affordances,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey which I am not using in CallSheet because you couldn’t put them at the bottom of the screen until very
⏹️ ▶️ Casey recently. And then I forget why I didn’t do it after that, but I think there was very little control over whether or not it was focused
⏹️ ▶️ Casey for a while. We’ve been chipping away at all these problems over the years, but
⏹️ ▶️ Casey I’ve been over the last few days, because I’ve been real late on starting my work on this because of all the things going on in my
⏹️ ▶️ Casey life, which everything’s fine, but it’s been a lot. And so I’m really dug in the last few days. I was feeling really
⏹️ ▶️ Casey good. Like the direction in my mind, I’m feeling great about. I really think that this is going
⏹️ ▶️ Casey to be awesome. I’m going to use the system search affordance at the bottom of the screen. And
⏹️ ▶️ Casey the only problem with that is, as you navigate into sub screens, you got to like kind of quietly like
⏹️ ▶️ Casey rescaffold a new one of those because each individual screen, each
⏹️ ▶️ Casey individual view wants to have its own. You can’t, there’s no real idea of a universal
⏹️ ▶️ Casey search box. But I was like, okay, I think I can get this. I think I can get this. And then as I’m like starting
⏹️ ▶️ Casey to do the thing that no one should ever do is I’m starting to try to bend SwiftUI.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey And I’m trying, and I’m bending it and I’m bending it and I’m bending it. And
⏹️ ▶️ Casey, Marco today… Tim Cook,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Exactly. And so today, I’m pretty sure I heard a crack and that was Swift UI breaking.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey And so I’m having a sad because I really think if I if I could have done
⏹️ ▶️ Casey this and before everyone emails like, yes, I could probably do this in UI kit, but I just
⏹️ ▶️ Casey simply don’t have the interest in it. And I was I was at best a proficient
⏹️ ▶️ Casey UI kit developer, but all of that has atrophied in the last few years. And I’m sure I could figure it out if I really
⏹️ ▶️ Casey dedicated myself to it. But I think instead what I’m going to do is I’m going to take a stab
⏹️ ▶️ Casey at doing a tab bar based version of call sheet. So, because that does
⏹️ ▶️ Casey to my recollection, and I have to look into this again, that does have somewhat of a concept of a universal search,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey but I’ve heard a lot of the discourse, the capital D discourse, that tab bars are
⏹️ ▶️ Casey a disaster in iOS right now. So I got to throw some spaghetti against the wall and see what’s going on. But
⏹️ ▶️ Casey it’s frustrating because I really didn’t know what I was going to do about
⏹️ ▶️ Casey iOS 26 and Liquid Glass. And then in working with Ben McCarthy a little
⏹️ ▶️ Casey bit, they had given me some really great tips. And a lot of these ideas, as most good UI ideas,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey for me anyway, came from Ben. And I really thought that this was going to be great. And what
⏹️ ▶️ Casey would happen is you would have universal search at the bottom of the screen always. And there was going to be a little button to the right of it that would toggle
⏹️ ▶️ Casey between universal search and searching on only that screen because that, that,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey uh, there is an affordance for that today in call sheet, but nobody ever sees it because you got to drag down a little
⏹️ ▶️ Casey bit so that the title comes down the screen a little bit. And then there’s like a second search bar at the top of the screen,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey which is the system way of doing it, but it’s a little clunky and nobody ever knows it. And so I get feedback email,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey not a regularly, Hey, I wish I could search within this one screen. Well, you can, well, how do you do that? Well, you got to et
⏹️ ▶️ Casey cetera, et cetera. So, um, I was really, really amped and really, really jazzed. And I
⏹️ ▶️ Casey really, really, really was excited. And now I’m sad because I don’t think I can do it
⏹️ ▶️ Casey or really, I don’t think I can make SwiftUI do it. And that makes me sad. But what’s your
⏹️ ▶️ Casey caught up on under the radar. You, you, you were in the, you were in the depths as I currently
⏹️ ▶️ Casey am apparently. And you decided that you were going to back off a little bit, which is probably where I’m going
⏹️ ▶️ Casey to land. I’m just walking down the path that you have laid for me a little bit slower. But where are you
⏹️ ▶️ Casey today? Because you were optimistic last time I heard. Is this still true? JG
⏹️ ▶️ Marco It has been a ride. CW So I started out the summer
⏹️ ▶️ Marco thinking, well, I’m going to really do a very significant redesign of Overcast, including,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I thought, hmm, I should have universal search using this new
⏹️ ▶️ Marco universal search system component at the bottom of the screen. This doesn’t sound familiar at all.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco And I thought I should switch to a tab bar structure because you kind of need one to make that work well.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco And I thought, you know, now is that I even set it under the radar. Now’s the time for Overcast to become a tab bar
⏹️ ▶️ Casey That’s where I am right now. I probably won’t be in a week, but that’s where I am right now.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco So that’s where it started. And then, you know, how it started, how it’s going joke
⏹️ ▶️ Marco So it quickly became apparent to me over the early experiments with tab
⏹️ ▶️ Marco bar stuff in the summer, it quickly became apparent like, oh this isn’t really going to work the way that I
⏹️ ▶️ Marco want it to. And it turns out that trying to get Overcast to use
⏹️ ▶️ Marco the new, you know, the new liquid glass tab bar design
⏹️ ▶️ Marco was both not a great fit for Overcast, and also the new
⏹️ ▶️ Marco liquid glass tab bar design has been a buggy mess for most of the summer. So it quickly
⏹️ ▶️ Marco became apparent like, oh, not only is this not a great fit, but I can’t even really
⏹️ ▶️ Marco build against this reliably. And then it became, okay, let me let me kind of try doing my
⏹️ ▶️ Marco own thing. And I tried to, and everything I was trying, the tab bar stuff, I hated it.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I tried doing my own thing that was just navigation bars, but you know, using, you know, pulling in some of the corners
⏹️ ▶️ Marco and making them mini player floats, so it looks kind of like one of those big floating blobs like the music app and podcast apps
⏹️ ▶️ Marco have, but just without the tab bar, which is, that is roughly what I’m going to be shipping. Spoiler.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco You know, stuff like that, and I tried all, and I was just hating the app as I would adopt
⏹️ ▶️ Marco it to Liquid Glass. And I was in a bad place, and that, you know, two
⏹️ ▶️ Marco under the radars ago was when I was in the bad place. Like, it was just like, I was hating everything
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I was doing. I was questioning, like, should I even adopt Liquid Glass at all?
⏹️ ▶️ Marco But, you know, I also then came around to the idea, I’m like, well, people who are going to be mad about it are going to be mad for
⏹️ ▶️ Marco a little while. They’re probably not going to be the majority of people. And that subset
⏹️ ▶️ Marco of people will only get smaller over time. Meanwhile, most people will adopt it and they’ll think it looks
⏹️ ▶️ Marco cool, and I’ll be the old man screaming, and get off my lawn.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco So it’s not productive for me to say, I’m just not going to do it. So I started finally
⏹️ ▶️ Marco getting to a place where I’m like, all right, here are the things I’m doing now. It’s a smaller, it’s not
⏹️ ▶️ Marco a redesign, It’s more of a visual refresh of certain screens to make them a little bit more using
⏹️ ▶️ Marco of the system components so that it looks more glassy. System toolbars, replacing
⏹️ ▶️ Marco some of the big rows of buttons and stuff like that. And that was going fine until
⏹️ ▶️ Marco two days ago when beta eight dropped. And this has been a really rough summer
⏹️ ▶️ Marco in terms of bugs. And it’s hard when you’re developing because it’s like, when you’re building against
⏹️ ▶️ Marco a certain system component or system behavior, and it’s buggy or it causes
⏹️ ▶️ Marco animation bugs or it causes layout bugs, you can file those bugs and
⏹️ ▶️ Marco look at the sky, spin in a circle, whatever you think might get them fixed. For the most
⏹️ ▶️ Marco part, Apple is randomly and occasionally fixing bugs. And then sometimes randomly and occasionally
⏹️ ▶️ Marco unfixing them in subsequent betas. So beta eight came out a couple days ago and
⏹️ ▶️ Marco so many of my behaviors got like a little bit worse. Like little animation
⏹️ ▶️ Marco bugs, little like state or layout bugs that weren’t there in previous betas.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco This is probably, we’re probably very close to the GM build. The
⏹️ ▶️ Marco GM build is probably the next build, or at least we are so close that it might as well
⏹️ ▶️ Marco be. Which means any bug you see in this beta at this point,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco has a pretty good chance of shipping to customers as 26.0. So,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I’m to the point now where I’m like, I made my app more modern in a lot of ways, better in
⏹️ ▶️ Marco some ways, and I’m just dreading the user reactions.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Because I think my app looks pretty good as an iOS 26 app. But,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco again, not everyone’s gonna like that look. I’ve also made the probably
⏹️ ▶️ Marco decision that when I adopted things to iOS 26, I
⏹️ ▶️ Marco also have backported those layout changes to iOS 18.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I don’t know if that was the right idea yet. And I don’t, I mean, maybe I won’t even ship it. Maybe I’ll
⏹️ ▶️ Marco just say the new version requires 26 and then 18 people will never even see it. But that
⏹️ ▶️ Marco would delay my launch then because I can’t really launch something requiring 26 on day one, you know, responsibly.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I’m at a point now where like I have a lot of self-doubt. I was expecting to get this into
⏹️ ▶️ Marco test flight on Monday, and then the beta 8 came out, and it broke
⏹️ ▶️ Marco everything. I’m like, well, now I can’t, now I’m back, back into the workshop again, you know,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John can’t ship it in beta yet,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco and I’ve been working on those fixes, you know, for the last couple of days, and it’s still, there’s still
⏹️ ▶️ Marco so many weird little layout bugs, and little animation bugs. I’m having to rip out components, I’m having to
⏹️ ▶️ Marco undo, I’m having to comment out iOS 26 changes here and there, just because like it’s not
⏹️ ▶️ Marco it’s not shippable yet and I don’t know when it will be shippable you know the scale back
⏹️ ▶️ Marco version you know I’ll hit it on day one like I’ll get something out there but it’s not
⏹️ ▶️ Marco anywhere near what I wanted to do it is even near my scale back
⏹️ ▶️ Marco version because I had to you know comment out so much because because these bugs maybe the GM will
⏹️ ▶️ Marco fix them probably not if I’m guessing or at least won’t fix all of them so
⏹️ ▶️ Marco it’s going to be kind of a rough fall and again terrified
⏹️ ▶️ Marco of the customer reaction because either way I’m screwed
⏹️ ▶️ Marco if I don’t adopt liquid glass I’ll get a lot of negative reviews and negative press for being
⏹️ ▶️ Marco old unmaintained outdated stale-looking whatever it is but if I do adopt
⏹️ ▶️ Marco liquid glass then I’m gonna get a lot of negative reviews from people who just don’t like it
⏹️ ▶️ Marco so this is this is a a rough summer for iOS development.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco It’s very discouraging. At this point, the only motivation that keeps me
⏹️ ▶️ Marco going through all this is at the beginning of the summer, when I was waiting for the design
⏹️ ▶️ Marco to firm up, I worked on some feature underpinnings for some future features that I’m very
⏹️ ▶️ Marco excited about, but none of those features were shipping yet, because I had to spend the latter
⏹️ ▶️ Marco two-thirds of the summer fighting liquid glass. And that’s exactly what I said would happen.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco When the rumors were of a redesign, I said this spring, I said, most apps will be
⏹️ ▶️ Marco able to just do the redesign and most feature work will have to wait for a while because a redesign’s a big deal and
⏹️ ▶️ Marco it’s a ton of work. That was right. Like Casey, how many new features have you been able to add to
⏹️ ▶️ Marco CallSheet this summer that were not design related?
⏹️ ▶️ Casey A couple because I wasn’t working on the design. And
⏹️ ▶️ Casey and it’s my own fault because now I feel like I am on my heels with regard to the design because
⏹️ ▶️ Casey I let myself get distracted with a couple of new features, which was probably not very adult or mature of me, but I
⏹️ ▶️ Casey needed it to keep my morale, for lack of a better word, up.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah, I did the same thing. I just didn’t ship them yet, because they’re not done yet. Yeah,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey exactly. So, yeah, I’m with you. Like, everything is fine. It’s just,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey it’s frustrating and it’s tough, and it feels like everything is out of your control. And
⏹️ ▶️ Casey I mean, and then the other tough thing is, what can we do about it? Well, we can talk about it on the show. We can
⏹️ ▶️ Casey file radars, but I mean,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey that I’ve filed are right, the radars that I’ve filed, the best I’ve gotten out of the radars
⏹️ ▶️ Casey that I’ve filed is, oh, we recognize that as our problem, we will fix it one day, which
⏹️ ▶️ Casey is better than nothing for sure. And I’m very lucky to have gotten any response at all.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey But a user facing bug that I can’t reasonably work around and the response
⏹️ ▶️ Casey is we’ll get to it one day, not
⏹️ ▶️ Marco reassuring. No, because Apple’s on fire too. I can’t even imagine
⏹️ ▶️ Marco what’s going on inside of Apple right now trying to get these releases out the door on time for the iPhone ship date. It’s
⏹️ ▶️ Marco got to be total mania over there right now. But again,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco this is a problem they created. This is a problem that their leaders foisted upon them. So
⏹️ ▶️ Marco it’s hard to feel a lot of sympathy for the company as a whole. I do feel sympathy for the individual teams
⏹️ ▶️ Marco who had liquid glass shoved into their timelines and and they had to just deal with it. I do
⏹️ ▶️ Marco feel bad for them, but the leadership, I think they earned this problem with their poor decision
⏹️ ▶️ Marco making. Like Liquid Glass should not have shipped this year. It’s so rough. It’s so
⏹️ ▶️ Marco incomplete. Even setting aside like design choices and maybe thinking
⏹️ ▶️ Marco that the choices should have, you know, had more iteration, just the technical part of it, like it is
⏹️ ▶️ Marco not in a great state right before it’s shipping to customers. So it’s,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco my hope is that that I can get my 26 design refresh out there
⏹️ ▶️ Marco in a couple of weeks, and it’s hopefully not too much bug
⏹️ ▶️ Marco fixing and work on that in the weeks after that, so I can then actually get back to working
⏹️ ▶️ Marco on features that people actually will probably like, because I’m really excited about doing feature work.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I am not at all excited about dealing with this BS, but this is the nature of development.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Sometimes Apple gives you a whole bunch of work the summer that you have to kind of just grind through.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco And because if you don’t, your customers will be upset. But it’s not really moving the app forward.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco It’s just, you know, shuffling deck chairs.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Yeah, I mean, right now, I’m, like I said, I’m behind where Marco was, I guess, you’re on two
⏹️ ▶️ Casey episodes back, and under the radar. And I’m sad about it. But I’m
⏹️ ▶️ Casey sure both of us will come through on the other side. And we might have a few bruises, maybe a scar or
⏹️ ▶️ Casey two, but we’ll, we’ll come through it. But for those of you listening, I beg of you for all
⏹️ ▶️ Casey of the apps on your phones and your devices and whatnot. Uh, please be gentle, be gentle
⏹️ ▶️ Casey and be understanding for the love. Please do what you can to be gentle.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco And you know what? Go out there. Leave a nice review for apps that you like, because most people
⏹️ ▶️ Marco never review what they’re using. Most people it’s they, they, and I’m the same way. I hardly ever review anything.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Kind of, we’ll just kind of use the stuff we use and we never even think about leaving a review.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco So the only people who leave reviews usually are people who are like really excited
⏹️ ▶️ Marco and really mad and nothing no one else. So if you’re
⏹️ ▶️ Marco not one of that kind of personality type and you just quietly use stuff like I do,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco go out there and just like every day review a new app that like that you’ve an app
⏹️ ▶️ Marco on your phone that you’re like hey you know what I do like this app this actually this is a nice app I use this regularly you know
⏹️ ▶️ Marco go leave it a review in the App Store It really, it very much does help. And
⏹️ ▶️ Marco it’s nice to give developers a bit of a present right now because we’re all, I think we’re all
⏹️ ▶️ Marco running around doing a lot right now and heading into a potentially very bumpy fall.
Donate to St. Jude
⏹️ ▶️ Casey On a happier note, mostly, it is almost, as
⏹️ ▶️ Casey we record this, almost September and we’re just super excited and getting a little bit ahead of things.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey And we’re going to tell you that September is, guess what? Childhood Cancer Awareness Month.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey And so that means we are joining our friends at Relay, which is ourselves, I don’t know, just go with me on this.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey We are joining our friends at Relay and we are doing another fundraiser for St. Jude Children’s
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Research Hospital. So here’s the thing, St. Jude, before it opened
⏹️ ▶️ Casey in 1962, childhood cancer was pretty much considered incurable. And today,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey thanks in no small part to the money that you have given to St. Jude and
⏹️ ▶️ Casey that St. Jude has spent on research and development, now more than 80%
⏹️ ▶️ Casey of U.S. childhood cancer patients survive, which is incredible. Additionally, St. Jude
⏹️ ▶️ Casey is willing to and does take in some of the world’s most sick children in
⏹️ ▶️ Casey order to help them and hopefully cure them. They do this regardless of their race, ethnicity,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey beliefs, or perhaps most importantly, ability to pay. Maybe that doesn’t matter to you because you’re not American,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey but for us poor Americans, that makes a big difference because having
⏹️ ▶️ Casey a child with a catastrophic illness like this can not only bankrupt your life, but bankrupt
⏹️ ▶️ Casey you financially. And that’s just no fun. It’s no fun for anyone. So
⏹️ ▶️ Casey as we do every year, we are going to call this to your attention for today and in the month of September.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey And we are going to ask of you to please scrape together whatever money you can and
⏹️ ▶️ Casey send even just five bucks to St. Jude. You can do that at stjude.org.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Now, we’re going to talk later about how Apple has announced when the iPhone keynote announcement will
⏹️ ▶️ Casey be. Marco, if one is in the mood and if
⏹️ ▶️ Casey somebody is going to be buying a new phone this year and feeling really guilty about that rampant consumerism,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey what can one do to offset that? What
⏹️ ▶️ Marco a great question, Casey. I’d be happy to talk about that right now. What a surprise that you’re asking me this question.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I think you should consider that in this fall season, In a
⏹️ ▶️ Marco mere couple of weeks, Apple will be announcing new products that you want to buy.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Now, if you’ve done well in life, you have a little bit of extra money, you might be looking at the new
⏹️ ▶️ Marco iPhones or the new Apple Watches or the new AirPod Pros that are likely to be released
⏹️ ▶️ Marco in a couple of weeks, and you might think, you know, my AirPod Pros still work,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco but boy, those new ones look great. It’s me. still is
⏹️ ▶️ Marco fine but man that new iPhone is so compelling
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I want it so badly but I just feel so much guilt about
⏹️ ▶️ Marco spending money on something I don’t need well let me tell you nothing cures guilt
⏹️ ▶️ Marco like donating to a charity so here’s what you do you go buy that iPhone
⏹️ ▶️ Marco you go buy those air pods enjoy them you work hard for your money you deserve
⏹️ ▶️ Marco happiness and new electronics and consumerism and you know wasteful you know anti-environmental
⏹️ ▶️ Marco just purchasing all sorts of new stuff that you don’t need. You deserve it and the way you deserve it is by
⏹️ ▶️ Marco taking the amount of money that you spent in total from the base price
⏹️ ▶️ Marco of the iPhone whatever you add on top of that for sales tax shipping, AppleCare,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco cases, storage upgrades, different tiers of the phone, bigger screen
⏹️ ▶️ Marco size, whatever it is take the total, subtract the base price for that iPhone family.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco That difference is the Marco offset. That difference is your minimum donation to St.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Jude. So what you do is you enjoy your iPhone and when you get that
⏹️ ▶️ Marco charge, you see, you do that subtraction and you go to stjude.org.com and you
⏹️ ▶️ Marco consider at least that amount of a donation. If you can do more, great!
⏹️ ▶️ Marco But that’s a nice minimum. So, you know, for a typical iPhone purchase, if you, you know, maybe you get like the second
⏹️ ▶️ Marco or third storage tier up, maybe you get a case, you’re probably at a couple hundred bucks. That’s a nice
⏹️ ▶️ Marco minimum donation to consider. If you’re, if you’re able to spend that money on an iPhone this fall, let’s be honest, you probably
⏹️ ▶️ Marco don’t need it, but if you’re willing to spend that, you can easily spend a couple hundred bucks
⏹️ ▶️ Marco to help St. Jude cure childhood cancer. So take that few hundred bucks or whatever your Marco offset
⏹️ ▶️ Marco is, that’s your minimum suggested donation. And if you can do more, great. If If you can’t do that much, but you
⏹️ ▶️ Marco can do some, that’s great too. Not everybody can actually do it, we know that. But whatever
⏹️ ▶️ Marco you can do, we’d appreciate it.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Exactly, and you know what? It would be incredibly convenient if there was a bespoke website exactly
⏹️ ▶️ Casey for—oh wait, there is! TheMarcoOffset.com. This was not made by us,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey but it is incredible. You can go to TheMarcoOffset.com and figure it out. And after you calculate your Marco
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Offset, let me remind you, you go to stjude.org.atp to donate. John, we have
⏹️ ▶️ Casey kind of been Bogarting the show. Do you have anything to add before we move on to your favorite, which is follow
⏹️ ▶️ John Yeah, we’ll be doing our donations probably next week because we didn’t get our acts together soon enough. And technically, it’s not September.
⏹️ ▶️ John So I’m going to give us a pass on this one. But I was just thinking about what Marco was describing his thing. Our
⏹️ ▶️ John donation is kind of like the Syracuse offset because it’s like you take the base price of a Mac
⏹️ ▶️ John Pro and subtract it from what I spent on my Mac
⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco Pro system. And
⏹️ ▶️ John that’s how much we’re going to donate. But we’ll talk about that next week. Anyway, our donations are incoming.
⏹️ ▶️ John We will hope we will hope to lead by example as many of our listeners have done through these many years People
⏹️ ▶️ John have donated just huge amounts of money to saint jude We hope this year will be just as successful
⏹️ ▶️ John as last year. So please give what you can You’ll be hearing from us throughout september
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Yeah, and just to wrap this up I will be or at least the plan is for me to be at the podcastathon Which
⏹️ ▶️ Casey is friday the september 19th starting at 12 p.m. Eastern It will be myself
⏹️ ▶️ Casey and all the usual suspects and brad dowdy as well But here’s the thing, again, one last time,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey stjude.org.atp, their tagline for this year is absolutely
⏹️ ▶️ Casey great. Help give these kids more tomorrows. at www.aclu.org.
Cellular/M4 Ultra: probably not
⏹️ ▶️ Casey All right, let’s do some follow-up. We talked last week, and now I’m having another sad.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey We talked last week about how there was some evidence that maybe there would be cellular Macs.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Marco and I were doing the happy dance together. We celebrated together, and then
⏹️ ▶️ Casey an anonymous person wrote in and said the following, regarding Felipe Esposito’s articles at Macworld
⏹️ ▶️ Casey about possible cellular Macs. I’ve seen the same code as he’s seen, and I don’t see cellular
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Macs. What I saw were Macs with Apple’s Wi-Fi and Bluetooth chip, but no cellular. I also
⏹️ ▶️ Casey saw no evidence of an M4 Ultra existing at all, even though the leak code has all chips up until the
⏹️ ▶️ Casey M6 lineup. In case you’re curious about the origin of these rumors, Apple ships KDK’s,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey kernel development kits, for all builds of macOS. And the one for macOS 26 beta 4 included
⏹️ ▶️ Casey all the freaking make files they used to build kernels for all their devices. They shipped it and took it down fairly
⏹️ ▶️ Casey quickly, but the damage was done. So
⏹️ ▶️ John you should learn from my example, remember how excited you guys were about the cellular Mac room or whatever, and then you mentioned the M4 Ultra
⏹️ ▶️ John thing, and I’m like, you know, whatever, show it to me.
⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco See, when you’ve been
⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey burned as many times as
⏹️ ▶️ John I have about Mac Pro rumors, they just roll right off you. It’s like, it just doesn’t affect me at all. I don’t care until
⏹️ ▶️ John they actually ship something, but you got all excited, and maybe there was nothing to be excited about.
Third-wheel Siri
⏹️ ▶️ Casey All right, and then a different anonymous person with regard to accidental Siri activations. We
⏹️ ▶️ Casey don’t give awards to ATP feedback This might get my award for
⏹️ ▶️ Casey the most bold feedback we’ve ever gotten So with that in mind anonymous
⏹️ ▶️ Casey rights, I wanted to bring up something you have hopefully not experienced But I sure have I’ve started taking my Apple
⏹️ ▶️ Casey watch off and putting it on my phone in it and my phone in a drawer when I’m having alone time
⏹️ ▶️ Casey with my partner Nothing kills the mood quite like your watch piping up and saying, I didn’t quite get that.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey And while you’re otherwise athletically engaged. And if that were the worst of it, I probably wouldn’t complain,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey but sometimes the responses are far more awkward. The worst part is that I 100% want my
⏹️ ▶️ Casey intimate aerobics to count toward my exercise totals, but not at the expense
⏹️ ▶️ Casey of ending up in a virtual three-way with Siri. I can only just laugh at how much
⏹️ ▶️ Casey modernity has invaded upon the most basic actions of human life. again. Just
⏹️ ▶️ Casey well done. Absolutely beautiful.
⏹️ ▶️ John How long do you think before Apple adds that to the workouts?
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I mean, there is an indoor other.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Why does it have to be indoor? Free your mind, Marco.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I think in this case, listener, I think you got to just give up those those numbers. I think
⏹️ ▶️ Marco just, you know, go take a walk outside after. But
⏹️ ▶️ John they’ve got it in a drawer and it’s still like waking up and then interrupting. So maybe it just needs to be like like a
⏹️ ▶️ John little soundproof chamber or like in another room.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Or also, well, first of all, yeah, like, is it, when you take it off your wrist, it locks. Does it respond
⏹️ ▶️ Marco to your activations
⏹️ ▶️ John when it’s locked? Well, it’s the phone too. It’s the watch on the phone or in the
⏹️ ▶️ Marco drawer. Oh yeah, the phone would do it, yeah. Yeah, I would say, you
⏹️ ▶️ Marco know, consider, again, for reducing accidental activations, consider like, you know, turning back on the word hey
⏹️ ▶️ Marco as part of the hail phrase, you know, that helps reduce accidental activations.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Or, you know, whatever Apple device that you think you don’t necessarily need
⏹️ ▶️ Marco the voice hailing on, turn it off. Because not only does that reduce this problem,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco but it also makes it more reliable when you say, hey, thing, it makes it less likely
⏹️ ▶️ Marco that the wrong device will respond. So, you know, it’s useful to like minimize the
⏹️ ▶️ Marco number of devices that are even listening for it, and then within those devices, turn on the hey, and it’ll
⏹️ ▶️ Marco reduce that. But maybe consider putting the phone further away. Look, what’s gonna
⏹️ ▶️ Marco happen? It’s gonna vibrate. Are you gonna wanna look at it or are you gonna wanna keep doing what you’re doing? Well, maybe
⏹️ ▶️ Casey vibrate, Mark. I couldn’t say it with a straight face.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey, Marco As soon as I said vibrate, I realized, oh man.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco such a child, I’m sorry. Let these stats go. You don’t need those stats. You can take a walk and
⏹️ ▶️ Marco you’ll be fine. You can let those stats go and maybe consider keeping the devices
⏹️ ▶️ Casey I think, yeah, the real issue is just keeping the devices further away. It’s less about the stats and more about the, I didn’t get that.
AppleCare One “solution”
⏹️ ▶️ Casey John, Marco and I were being sad earlier. We were sad earlier. Are you sad,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey angry? Show me how you feel on this chart. Are you sad or angry with AppleCare One
⏹️ ▶️ John Nah, I don’t know. I am feeling better than I was last week because I feel like this whole issue is resolved. To
⏹️ ▶️ John review, AppleCare One is the new warranty bundle thing that Apple has that is incredibly
⏹️ ▶️ John ill-conceived and that allows you to put multiple devices on a single monthly payment
⏹️ ▶️ John for AppleCare, but only if those devices belong to a single Apple ID, which
⏹️ ▶️ John is very limiting. And they will harass you and give you 24 hours notice via email
⏹️ ▶️ John if they detect any of your devices seem to not be on the Apple ID that they expect, and they will cancel your coverage
⏹️ ▶️ John and refund you, leaving your thing without coverage if you do not take some action within 24 hours.
⏹️ ▶️ John So that’s the terrible system that the AppleCare One is. I tried
⏹️ ▶️ John to sign up for it. Apple suggested that I sign up devices that don’t belong to me, I did and then it pulled them off. And
⏹️ ▶️ John then I had devices that all belonged to me and they still kept pulling one off. So as I said, I would, I eventually
⏹️ ▶️ John spent one morning just talking to Apple support and trying to get this resolved and I did.
⏹️ ▶️ John Here’s the resolution. They said that they looked up in their like database of kind
⏹️ ▶️ John of like known issues or whatever that the thing I was experiencing, which is we have a Mac here that has multiple accounts on it.
⏹️ ▶️ John And it kept getting yanked off AppleCareOne. They said, oh yeah, that’s a known issue. the only current workaround
⏹️ ▶️ John is to not use your Mac like that, as in don’t have more than one account on your
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I believe it’s called you’re holding it wrong.
⏹️ ▶️ John Yeah. So a lot of, when I posted about this on Mastodon, some people were saying, so they shipped it with this known issue.
⏹️ ▶️ John That’s usually not what known issue means. It usually means they shipped it, weren’t aware this
⏹️ ▶️ John was a problem, but then very quickly they realized it was a problem because they work in support and you get the same complaint.
⏹️ ▶️ John On that subject, again, the very nice support person speaking for themselves only and not
⏹️ ▶️ John for Apple said that they believe that AppleCare One will probably have to be changed because
⏹️ ▶️ John the current support volume on the AppleCare support line is unsustainable.
⏹️ ▶️ John I didn’t have the heart to tell this person that I’m not sure Apple cares that your support volume is unsustainable because presumably
⏹️ ▶️ John they chose the structure of AppleCare One because they feel like that’s the most financially
⏹️ ▶️ John viable because the more devices you allow someone to put into a bundle, the more money they save
⏹️ ▶️ John and the less money Apple makes on AppleCare. That’s the only reason I can think of why they would try to confine
⏹️ ▶️ John AppleCare One to a single Apple ID, as opposed to allowing it to be used by an entire family, which would make much more sense,
⏹️ ▶️ John which is exactly what the support person said. They’re like, I don’t know why they didn’t put it on family. Again, I didn’t have the heart to explain
⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco money is the reason.
⏹️ ▶️ John Anyway, I don’t have any faith that they will change this plan because
⏹️ ▶️ John the fact that they shipped this shows that they don’t have enough brain cells to rub together about what makes a good
⏹️ ▶️ John AppleCare One plan. Anyway, so what’s my solution? The solution offered to me by the helpful support person was
⏹️ ▶️ John cancel AppleCare One and then sign up for plain old AppleCare Plus individually
⏹️ ▶️ John on all your devices. And I asked, will I be able to sign up for the plans that I had before AppleCare One?
⏹️ ▶️ John And the answer was no, because first of all, Apple no longer offers a bunch of plans that don’t have theft and loss protection and
⏹️ ▶️ John those plans used to be cheaper. And second of all, things like my two year prepaid upfront AppleCare
⏹️ ▶️ John on my one year old phone, I can’t get those at all in any form. Like that’s the cheapest way you could get two years of
⏹️ ▶️ John coverage on phone, cause I changed my phone every two years. When I re-signed up for
⏹️ ▶️ John AppleCare on my phone, I had to go to the more expensive monthly plan with theft and loss that’s,
⏹️ ▶️ John you know, so on and so forth. So the upshot is I canceled AppleCare One, I’m out of the AppleCare One
⏹️ ▶️ John business, it is turned off everywhere, I got refunded for it. And then I re-signed up for regular AppleCare
⏹️ ▶️ John at higher prices than I was paying before to the tune of an additional $48.03 per year that I am now paying.
⏹️ ▶️ John And I’m paying that to cover one fewer device because to save money,
⏹️ ▶️ John I left my iPad off AppleCare. Used to have AppleCare with a prepaid plan, now it no longer has AppleCare
⏹️ ▶️ John because otherwise it would have been that I was losing $68.03 per year. So this entire
⏹️ ▶️ John fiasco has been a learning opportunity for me and hopefully for you. My advice
⏹️ ▶️ John is that no one should sign up for AppleCare One. And you may be thinking, well, what if I don’t have multiple
⏹️ ▶️ John accounts? What if I’m a single person living alone? I have all my devices belong to me. It’s so buggy
⏹️ ▶️ John that I have a feeling that even in those situations, there could be problems. And here’s the thing, if there’s any kind of problem,
⏹️ ▶️ John they send you an email and you have 24 hours from the time they sent the email, not the time you read
⏹️ ▶️ John it, to do something to remedy the situation, otherwise you lose AppleCare coverage. So,
⏹️ ▶️ John so many situations where people could be like, you know, it’s like a device that they left somewhere
⏹️ ▶️ John or they went on vacation and they come back, they don’t have warranty coverage, or they go on vacation and aren’t checking their regular email
⏹️ ▶️ John and the thing gets pulled off warranty and they drop it in the water. Like a warranty plan should not be designed like this.
⏹️ ▶️ John I recommend that nobody do this. But if you insist on doing it, be sure that you do not have any
⏹️ ▶️ John devices that more than one Apple ID ever signed into. And that includes any Mac with multiple accounts. Even
⏹️ ▶️ John if they’re all quote unquote, your account, like you have a developer Apple ID and a regular Apple ID, that would screw it up. That
⏹️ ▶️ John would have run afoul of this. So yeah, and I really hope that my support person is right, that the
⏹️ ▶️ John unsustainable support load of AppleCare One will cause Apple to change the plan. And if they do, you’ll hear
⏹️ ▶️ John about it here, but it’ll take a lot for me to go back onto this plan considering the thing that
⏹️ ▶️ John was supposed to save me $18 a month is now costing me $48 a year, more than I was paying before. Oh, and the thing
⏹️ ▶️ John that they offered me to make up for this bad situation was
⏹️ ▶️ John I can pick any accessory from the Apple online store for $200 or less.
⏹️ ▶️ John And I mean, that more than makes up for the difference that I’m losing on this, which is nice of them, but I don’t really need any accessories
⏹️ ▶️ John right now. My wife picked out a Mophie three in one charger, but it’s out of stock. So I’m not sure
⏹️ ▶️ John what we’re going to do on that because I, they said, well, you can wait for it to come back and stop, or you can pick something
⏹️ ▶️ John else. Maybe I’ll just wait until like the, the iPhone 17s are out and I’ll
⏹️ ▶️ John buy a case with it and the case will be like 60 bucks instead of two hundreds, but I’ll still come out ahead for the year.
⏹️ ▶️ John Anyway, AppleCareOne thumbs down.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I think so. To be clear, AppleCare one is literally broken
⏹️ ▶️ Marco on your configuration and there is no way they can put you back
⏹️ ▶️ Marco on the plans you had.
⏹️ ▶️ John No, I mean, I didn’t press that too hard because I know what it’s like to be in these companies. Like I’m sure they don’t have, they literally don’t have a way to
⏹️ ▶️ John do it. Like, cause they’re
⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco especially for plans that are no longer
⏹️ ▶️ John like what they should have just done is like, cause I said, instead of letting me pick out a $200 accessory, can you just give me a $200 gift
⏹️ ▶️ John card or something like I’m looking just for cash reimbursement. And they said they couldn’t do that either. And also keep in mind,
⏹️ ▶️ John it’s not like the unsupportable call volume is all people with my specific weird problem with multiple
⏹️ ▶️ John accounts on max. The problem as you know, as characterized with the person is that Apple Care one sends
⏹️ ▶️ John you threatening emails and people get the emails and they don’t understand why a lot of them are legitimate
⏹️ ▶️ John as in, hey, Apple will not legitimate but like, hey, Apple Care one suggested that I put my wife’s phone on and that
⏹️ ▶️ John should never work. And it didn’t work and people it’s happening to everybody there because Apple’s own thing says
⏹️ ▶️ John sign up with these devices and people like great I’ll do that and then they get threatening emails and then they call support like that
⏹️ ▶️ John I imagine is a bigger problem than my specific known issue with multiple accounts on the Mac or whatever but
⏹️ ▶️ John the whole the whole thing is designed badly and people don’t understand how it works because it
⏹️ ▶️ John works in a way that people don’t expect.
Three-finger drag
⏹️ ▶️ Casey With regard to trackpad dragging, this was your complaint,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey John, last time. Is that right?
⏹️ ▶️ John It was like an ask ATP of like how to use the trackpad. And I realized I had I had stopped using it the old fashioned way and started
⏹️ ▶️ John using it the newfangled way. But I don’t like the newfangled way. So I was intentionally going back. He said I was going to go back to the old fashioned
⏹️ ▶️ John way. And a lot of people had some suggestions to things that would help with my annoyance with
⏹️ ▶️ John trying to do like one finger dragging.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Right. So many people have suggested three finger drag. You can
⏹️ ▶️ Casey find this in system settings, accessibility, pointer control, trackpad options, dragging style,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey three finger drag. And what that lets you do is when you move three fingers across the trackpad, guess
⏹️ ▶️ Casey what you’re going to drag. I tried this and I was overjoyed. I had forgotten that
⏹️ ▶️ Casey this was an option I had known at one point. And I thought, Oh my gosh, this is incredible. This is going to be so much nicer.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey And then I went to flick my three fingers in order to go to a different space. Because as we’ve covered many times
⏹️ ▶️ Casey on the show, I’m a devout spaces person. And I can’t do that anymore because now it’s a three-finger
⏹️ ▶️ Casey drag. And yes, I know I could like rejigger the stroke, the whatever
⏹️ ▶️ Casey I’m thinking of, not hotkey, not stroke, but whatever, the gesture, there it is, for switching
⏹️ ▶️ Casey between spaces. And I think the new default when you turn on three-finger drag is to do a four-finger drag for spaces.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey But I have years upon years of muscle memory for three-finger drag to switch spaces.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey And I don’t typically have a problem with dragging as it is because I use the faux, you
⏹️ ▶️ Casey know, the bottom left corner, the faux button on the bottom left corner in order to do my
⏹️ ▶️ Casey pointing and clicking. So I did love this idea for a hot second and then immediately went right back. But John,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey have you tried this?
⏹️ ▶️ John I did. I found it a little bit awkward to do at first. And like, there’s also like three fingers up for like
⏹️ ▶️ John app expose and stuff. There’s a lot of things that want three fingers to for the gesture.
⏹️ ▶️ John So there was that little bit of interference. Even though I don’t use I do occasionally use like the expose three
⏹️ ▶️ John fingers up or whatever thing But there’s also a drag lock in this same pop-up menu
⏹️ ▶️ John and drag lock I couldn’t quite figure out until I read the documentation and they should have like a tool tip or something But basically with drag lock
⏹️ ▶️ John you double tap an item, but then drag without lifting your finger after the second tap I did not figure
⏹️ ▶️ John this out on my own. I had to read the docs And then dragging continues when you lift your finger that’s the thing with the three-finger
⏹️ ▶️ John drag people were saying you can three-finger drag something and if you like hit the edge of the trackpad if you quickly pick
⏹️ ▶️ John up your fingers and move them and go it continues the drag and then with drag lock
⏹️ ▶️ John it locks the drag like you don’t even have to quickly reposition or whatever so there’s lots of accessibility options to essentially
⏹️ ▶️ John deal with the situation where you hit the edge of the trackpad during a drag and that was one of the
⏹️ ▶️ John things I was complaining about or you can just use a mouse but anyway these options are great check them out out there buried in accessibility,
⏹️ ▶️ John but they’re very useful.
Watch blood-oxygen update
⏹️ ▶️ Casey All right. Apple’s blood oxygen feature workaround has now
⏹️ ▶️ Casey brought around a new Massimo lawsuit. So last week we talked about how Apple had
⏹️ ▶️ Casey gotten Customs and Border Protection to agree with them that, oh, well, if you’re not showing the blood
⏹️ ▶️ Casey oxygen reading on the watch, I guess that’s fine, right? And so CBP said,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey sure, why not? And Apple did some software updates to turn all this on. And Massimo,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey understandably, is not happy. So reading from Mac Rumors, technology company Massimo on Wednesday filed a lawsuit against
⏹️ ▶️ Casey US Customs and Border Protection in which it challenged the agency’s decision to allow Apple to restore blood oxygen
⏹️ ▶️ Casey monitoring to its Apple Watch models. In a complaint filed August 20 in the US District Court for the District of
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Columbia, Massimo said the customs acted unlawfully when it ruled on August 1 that Apple
⏹️ ▶️ Casey can import watches with pulse oximetry technology without notifying Massimo. Massimo said it
⏹️ ▶️ Casey only discovered the ruling on August 14 when Apple publicly announced it would be reintroducing
⏹️ ▶️ Casey the pulse oximetry functionality through a software update. Massimo claims CBP exceeded its
⏹️ ▶️ Casey authority when it issued the ruling permitting Apple’s redesigned approach.
⏹️ ▶️ John That’s the problem with talking about any of this things that have to do with like patents and lawsuits. It never,
⏹️ ▶️ John seemingly never ends. So there’s always one more lawsuit. So anyway, I think the situation is still
⏹️ ▶️ John that you can buy Apple Watch products that will do the processing and display off the phone
⏹️ ▶️ John for now, but we’ll be sure to let you know if that changes. But at this point, they’ll still be fighting
⏹️ ▶️ John it out in court when the patents expire in 2020.
UK-backdoor update
⏹️ ▶️ Casey All right, speaking of dumb things Apparently the UK’s dumb a demand
⏹️ ▶️ Casey for backdoor into Apple encryption may be going away Just weatherbed at the verge rights The United Kingdom
⏹️ ▶️ Casey will no longer force Apple to provide backdoor access to secure user data protected by the company’s iCloud Encryption service according
⏹️ ▶️ Casey to the US director of national intelligence Tulsi Gabbard this announcement follows the UK issuing a secret order in January
⏹️ ▶️ Casey this year Demanding Apple provided with backdoor access to encrypted files uploaded by users worldwide in response
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Apple pulled the ability for new users in the UK to sign up for its Advanced Data Protection, or ADP, encrypted
⏹️ ▶️ Casey iCloud storage offering and challenged the order, winning the right to publicly discuss the case in April. Earlier this year,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey US officials started examining whether the UK order had violated the Bilateral Cloud Act Agreement, which bars the
⏹️ ▶️ Casey UK and US from issuing demands for each other’s data. With the order now reportedly removed,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey it’s unclear if Apple will restore access to its Advanced Data Protection service in the UK. The BBC
⏹️ ▶️ Casey adds, the BBC understands Apple has not yet received any formal communication from either the US or UK governments.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Quote, we do not comment on operational matters, including confirming or denying the existence of such notices. Quote, a UK
⏹️ ▶️ Casey government spokesperson said.
⏹️ ▶️ John So when we talked about this, that was part of the problem with it, is that if the UK issued this order,
⏹️ ▶️ John they would also bar Apple from acknowledging that the order exists. And so we’re always like, how are we ever
⏹️ ▶️ John going to know whether this is still in effect or whether it has been withdrawn
⏹️ ▶️ John or whatever? But here we have an announcement from someone in the US government. Unfortunately, announcements from people in the US government,
⏹️ ▶️ John this was announced of all friggin things is not that reliable. So I was looking for some confirmation
⏹️ ▶️ John other than a post on X from an unreliable person in our current terrible government. And then the BBC does
⏹️ ▶️ John not help by saying, well, if this is a thing that happened, we couldn’t tell you about
⏹️ ▶️ John it anyway. But it seems like maybe that ridiculous demand is not
⏹️ ▶️ John going to take effect, which I think is a good thing. But I can’t be entirely sure,
⏹️ ▶️ John because how can you be sure about anything these days? Lots of this secrecy
⏹️ ▶️ John combined with unreliability. I wish I could believe what these terrible government official would say.
⏹️ ▶️ John And I wish there were not gag orders associated with everything having to do with this kind of thing.
⏹️ ▶️ John So I still don’t feel great about this whole thing, but I think this is potentially good
⏹️ ▶️ Casey I mean, I would hope so because this this thing that the UK wanted was pretty pretty bananas.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey So if it really is going away, I think that’s good for everyone involved. We shall see!
Studio Display SOC rumors
⏹️ ▶️ Casey All right, with regard to the Studio Display 2 and potentially having an A19 Pro chip,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey a couple of very interesting points that were sent to us. Daniel Luce writes, reminder that the A13
⏹️ ▶️ Casey in the current Studio Display has 64 gigs of storage, which is the lowest amount of
⏹️ ▶️ Casey storage Apple ever bundled with an A13. The A19 Pro will be the iPhone 17 Pro’s chip
⏹️ ▶️ Casey and there are rumors that the iPhone 17 Pro will start at 256 gigs of storage. That’s the same today
⏹️ ▶️ Casey as the starting storage capacity for the iMac. Oh boy.
⏹️ ▶️ John I joked like, Hey, how is that a monitor with any 19 pro? How’s that not an iMac? And I said, well, you know, it doesn’t
⏹️ ▶️ John have an SSD, but I forgot. Of course it does have storage for the OS. I mean, 64 gigs isn’t really
⏹️ ▶️ John big enough to be an SSD for a Mac, but it’s overkill to boot whatever the heck the thing is running
⏹️ ▶️ John from the display. And yeah, if the 19 pro has 256 gigs of storage the
⏹️ ▶️ John starts at 256 So what a world?
⏹️ ▶️ Casey And then Fabian Haussler writes it is possible that Apple is using differently binned chips for the display
⏹️ ▶️ Casey that otherwise would have gone into the bin Apple usually only disables CPU or GPU cores on their chips
⏹️ ▶️ Casey for most consumer devices on the a18 Pro These only take up about 24% of the total chip
⏹️ ▶️ Casey area if the defect occurs anywhere else the neural engine display controller I will control or memory controller, etc the chip
⏹️ ▶️ Casey would be unsuitable for a phone, but it might still be used for display.
⏹️ ▶️ John I do. What is the display used the neural engine and stuff, though, for like the center stage thing,
⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco like I’m wondering
⏹️ ▶️ John if it really is using. I see where they’re going with this. Like maybe there’s some part of the chip that is not used at all
⏹️ ▶️ John inside the monitor, but the neural engine is probably not at the IO controllers. Probably
⏹️ ▶️ John not. I had not the memory controller, the display controller. Probably not. I mean, like
⏹️ ▶️ John I’m not sure which part you can accept, but I could imagine them using an SoC with like multiple
⏹️ ▶️ John GPU cores that are dead instead of just like one or whatever. So yeah, maybe reusing
⏹️ ▶️ John what would otherwise be parts that were useless does make a lot of sense.
Hide My Email domain locks
⏹️ ▶️ Casey With regard to Apple’s hide my email feature, Timothy Martin writes, you accurately described how conventional
⏹️ ▶️ Casey hide my email works when you go to settings and create a specific hide my email address for use. However, if you sign in
⏹️ ▶️ Casey with Apple to create an account and choose to hide your email when creating that account, it has an additional benefit.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey It will only accept emails from domains owned or provided by the developer of that app or service or website. So if they sell
⏹️ ▶️ Casey or share your email, they are breached, etc., the provided email address is entirely useless to anyone else. It sounds great,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey right? Well, maybe not. David Beck writes, how do I email such a bad idea? A while
⏹️ ▶️ Casey back I got fed up with all the spam I get and decided to switch email addresses and use it for everything. It seems like a great idea until you realize
⏹️ ▶️ Casey it’s tied to the domain it’s used with. And if some other server tries to send to that address, it just silently
⏹️ ▶️ Casey gets discarded. There’s no way for you even to see that something was blocked. Sometimes it fails immediately
⏹️ ▶️ Casey because the site uses separate domains for their site and for sending emails. Sometimes it’ll work until one day the site changes providers.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Sometimes most things will work, but certain features send from another domain.
⏹️ ▶️ John Yeah, I think IconFactory was complaining that one of their Kickstarters had this problem because lots of people signed up with it for hide
⏹️ ▶️ John my email, but then said they were never getting any of the Kickstarter emails. The same type of thing. Like the idea that
⏹️ ▶️ John when you sign up for an account on a website, that all email will come from that website’s
⏹️ ▶️ John domain is not always the case, like with Kickstarter versus like the domain of IconFactory
⏹️ ▶️ John that is running the Kickstarter, like with a platform thing, or even just plain old websites that sometimes have you sign
⏹️ ▶️ John in through one domain, but land on the actual website on a different domain. And again, this like,
⏹️ ▶️ John maybe it would be a thing that people could deal with if they had visibility into it. Like as David points out, like the emails
⏹️ ▶️ John just get silently blocked and you just think you never see them. You have no way to go dig them out and retrieve them.
⏹️ ▶️ John You don’t have a way to say, oh, and for this email also allow this domain. It’s just so
⏹️ ▶️ John non-transparent and so feature poor that it’s not the type of thing
⏹️ ▶️ John that I would want to use. And we got, these two things are representative of the feedback we were getting. people
⏹️ ▶️ John reminding us about the two different kinds behind my email, the one that’s restricted to a domain and the one that’s not.
⏹️ ▶️ John And then lots of people saying they like it, but the restrictions of the domains is too harsh. And other people saying I’ll never
⏹️ ▶️ John use it again because it messed up something XYZ where I wasn’t getting emails and I didn’t realize it. So
⏹️ ▶️ John I’m not a fan, but some people do find it useful. So the more you know.
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iPhone event announced
⏹️ ▶️ Casey So we’ve gotten some news that on September 9th at 1pm, 1
⏹️ ▶️ Casey true time zone, or 10am Pacific time, there’s going to be an Apple
⏹️ ▶️ Casey event, presumably to release the iPhones 17. I did not
⏹️ ▶️ Casey get an in-person invite, which is not surprising. I presume you guys did not either?
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Oh no, I’m really in with Tim right now. I’ll be
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I’ll be running to Al
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Gore. right? This was not surprising, but nevertheless, it would be fun to do that sometime. I’ve never been
⏹️ ▶️ Casey able to do that. Oh, yeah, I would love to. All right. So there is an interactive logo on apple.com,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey which is like a what I think they’re trying to imply. It’s a cool blue like Apple logo.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey And as you mouse around it or click it,
⏹️ ▶️ John supposed to look I think it’s supposed to look like a thermal camera, like you’re playing a
⏹️ ▶️ John camera at something to see the hot parts or like go to like to red and then to white for the
⏹️ ▶️ John hottest part and the cool parts are black to blue.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Yep, so Sam Henry Gold wrote, I reverse engineered Apple’s thermal logo effect. It’s a
⏹️ ▶️ Casey 3.js shader that combines four inputs, a video texture heat map, a mouse driven heat map, an Apple logo mask, and a thermal
⏹️ ▶️ Casey style color palette. Yeah, you
⏹️ ▶️ John can move your finger or cursor around on the Apple logo and like it’s interactive and you can move around the
⏹️ ▶️ John heat thing. But yeah, the tea leaf reading for this one
⏹️ ▶️ John I think it’s mostly having to do with the rumored vapor chamber cooler on the new fancy
⏹️ ▶️ John iPhone 17s, I guess, maybe just the pro and the pro max, that they’re actually doing something
⏹️ ▶️ John that’s more significant than they have in the past to try to keep these things cool, which will be great for Casey, who’s always complaining
⏹️ ▶️ John about the sun. Yep. His phone turned out. Now I want to set your expectations, Casey. Like, I am excited
⏹️ ▶️ John that they are doing something more than just, you know, putting some piece of metal to dissipate heat or like a thermal
⏹️ ▶️ John pad or whatever. Vapor channel cooling sounds cool. It’s a yeah, it’s like
⏹️ ▶️ John it’s like Marco’s non-working air conditioning. It’s like a phase change thing and the phase change pulls heat away from it. Right.
⏹️ ▶️ John Anyway, that’ll be great. But I’m not entirely sure that’s going to help with
⏹️ ▶️ John your screen thing. I always feel like the phone and the sunny thing is because like the screen is essentially
⏹️ ▶️ John a greenhouse. It like gathers the light and then it bounces all inside around inside there and it overheats.
⏹️ ▶️ John It’s not going to hurt. I think it will be better, maybe better than it is now. But yeah, I
⏹️ ▶️ John think you may still, it’s the, you know, if it lasts twice as long, Would you be satisfied?
⏹️ ▶️ John No, you’d be like, oh, it still turns off. And now it turns off after two minutes instead of one minute. So I just want you
⏹️ ▶️ John to not get your hopes up too much. But anyway, I’m excited about the cooling stuff. The other guess was like this has
⏹️ ▶️ John to do with thing we’re going to talk about in a second, which is like the colors of the phones or maybe the case color or something. But I’m going with
⏹️ ▶️ John thermal imaging, which is weird. A weird thing to emphasize. The tagline is awe dropping
⏹️ ▶️ John instead of jaw dropping, AWE dropping. Yeah,
⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco I guess they can
⏹️ ▶️ John only be talking about the the the iPhone 17 Air, the really thin one. This is going to
⏹️ ▶️ John have crappy battery life, but we’ll see this as usual. This iPhone event like every single thing has leaked.
⏹️ ▶️ John We’ll we’ll have maybe more of an event preview next week and our traditional iPhone 16 exit interview.
⏹️ ▶️ John But for now, just be aware. September 9th, as expected.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah, this looks I’m excited. Like the iPhone event is always
⏹️ ▶️ Marco it’s such a hallmark of the entire Apple year. I am
⏹️ ▶️ Marco not excited about the imminent release of iOS 26, as discussed earlier,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco just as a developer, that’s gonna be a bumpy ride, but I am very excited
⏹️ ▶️ Marco for the new iPhones. I think the rumored iPhone Air
⏹️ ▶️ Marco sounds really cool, and I don’t know if I’m gonna want one, probably,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco but there’s gonna be a lot of trade-offs there, so I’m not
⏹️ ▶️ John Marco, did you see the rumor about the possible bumper case for the iPhone Air? I did, that actually sounds
⏹️ ▶️ John really cool. Like, I mean, I get where that rumor would come from because for people who don’t remember Antenna Gate,
⏹️ ▶️ John a bumper case is a case that, they still make them for phones, but it was big with the Antenna Gate thing because the iPhone 4
⏹️ ▶️ John had a case that would like go around the sides only, but leave the back
⏹️ ▶️ John entirely uncovered. That’s actually good for heating and cooling. And if you have a thin phone,
⏹️ ▶️ John that’s good to like maintain the feeling of thinness because if you put a case on it, suddenly become sticker and it’s not
⏹️ ▶️ John as exciting. So this would just make the edges thicker, but make the whole middle of the phone
⏹️ ▶️ John thin. So we’ll see if that rumor ends up being true.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah, I mean, in practice, I never liked the iPhone 4 bumper case.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Of course I got the free one. Thanks, Steve. But I didn’t
⏹️ ▶️ Marco like it because like Apple silicone cases, it added a lot of friction going in and out of pockets.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco And I just, I couldn’t bear it. It was too annoying. So I just used the phone without a case and eventually
⏹️ ▶️ Marco had like this like leather stick on back that I got on it and it was fine. For this, in this case, it would be
⏹️ ▶️ Marco presumably a lot thinner than that. And we have, you know, a decade or so of materials
⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John maybe- I think it would
⏹️ ▶️ John still be grippy though. Like, don’t you think it would still be
⏹️ ▶️ Marco just as grippy? Yeah, it would probably still be silicone. So, you know, probably, but who knows.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco But anyway, that sounds fun. I’ll tell you, I mean, again, we don’t know anything about these phones yet and I don’t want to get too much into it
⏹️ ▶️ Marco now since we’ll know in like a week.
⏹️ ▶️ John know anything about these phones. We know everything
⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco about these. What do you wanna know? Ask me a question.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Well, okay, fair. Yeah, I guess there are a lot of leaks for iPhones that almost always prove to be 100%, right? But
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I guess I think the iPhone Air could be very interesting because
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I would expect that it’s going to be a lot lighter weight. And that’ll just feel
⏹️ ▶️ Marco so good in a pocket. So I don’t know. I, you know, as you’ve heard me talk about over
⏹️ ▶️ Marco the years, I always get excited whenever a new iPhone is actually lighter weight than the outgoing one,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco which doesn’t happen very often. That part of what I liked about the iPhone mini was that it was
⏹️ ▶️ Marco so much lighter. Well,
⏹️ ▶️ John this one’s gonna be, is gonna be sized between the Max and the Pro. So
⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco it’s even bigger than
⏹️ ▶️ John your current phone, length and width wise, if not thickness.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah, so that’s why, it sounds interesting. I wanna see what they did here.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco You know, the iPhone Pro, I buy an iPhone Pro every
⏹️ ▶️ Marco time, or almost every time, And it’s great, I know what to expect
⏹️ ▶️ Marco from it. I don’t necessarily use all the pro features, but I like a lot of them. If the iPhone
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Air loses too much of the proness, then I probably
⏹️ ▶️ Marco wouldn’t like it. One of the things I’m curious about is how they decide on 120
⏹️ ▶️ Marco hertz on the screen. Right now, only the pro phones have 120 hertz.
⏹️ ▶️ John Rumor is the Air has ProMotion.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I know, see, that’s the thing. So are you mainly just giving
⏹️ ▶️ Marco up battery life and additional cameras, which are not small things by
⏹️ ▶️ Marco any means, like those are big considerations. But if that’s the main trade-off
⏹️ ▶️ Marco is like, you save a bunch of weight and it feels great in the hand,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John maybe- And it doesn’t
⏹️ ▶️ John don’t think you’ll care about that, anyway. We’ll see, I think you should get it and try it for the show and then return it if you don’t like
⏹️ ▶️ Marco probably keep it, I mean, it’s, but like- Wait, wait, wait,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait,
⏹️ ▶️ John wait, Marco should do what job? Get it and try it for the
⏹️ ▶️ Casey show and return it if you don’t like it.
⏹️ ▶️ John How’d that work out for your Vision Pro? What are you talking about? I never, I never want you to win
⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey two people, two or the three, but for the show and
⏹️ ▶️ John didn’t liked it enough to keep it or keep it in their
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Prosecution rests, your honor.
⏹️ ▶️ John no, where are your Mac Pros? Oh, nobody wants that.
⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey There’s literally nobody that wants that. Only one of us
⏹️ ▶️ John has to buy a Mac Pro, apparently.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Anyways, sorry, carry on.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah, so anyway, I think it’s gonna be really interesting. We’ll talk more about this once we actually know more about it, John.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco But, I think it’ll be very interesting. I like mixing
⏹️ ▶️ Marco it up sometimes. Like when I did use the iPhone mini for that one year that I did. But
⏹️ ▶️ Marco that was, I really liked the mini. It was really cool in a number of ways. And yeah, it was limited
⏹️ ▶️ Marco in many of these same ways. It had worse battery life than the bigger phones. It didn’t have the pro camera system.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco It didn’t have some of the super pro features. But the difference between the pro features
⏹️ ▶️ Marco and the regular features, I think was a little bit smaller than like, that was before promotion, before the always on screen. Like, do we know, does it have always
⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John Do we know that?
⏹️ ▶️ Marco So that’s what I want to see with this is like, how many of the pro features
⏹️ ▶️ Marco does the Air have? That’s the question. And we know some of
⏹️ ▶️ Marco those from the rumors, not all of them. We’ll see also, how much better does the
⏹️ ▶️ Marco pro camera get? You know, right now I’ve had, you know, the, the 16 pro. Yeah. The 16
⏹️ ▶️ Marco pro, you know, been using it for a year. The five X lens
⏹️ ▶️ Marco is kind of useful and it does. And the pictures from it are pretty bad. So
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I, both of those things I kind of knew going in were very likely. Both of those things prove to be correct.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco If I lose the five X lens, I’m going to have, you know, less reach,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco but also those pictures are bad. So we’ll see
⏹️ ▶️ Marco if they if they make the pro phones a lot better in those areas. Maybe
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I would stick with the pro phone and just get whatever the orange rumored color is because
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I don’t know it looks kind of bronze
⏹️ ▶️ John to me. Yeah, it’s hard to tell the colors are hard for the rumors here, right? And by the way, the latest breaking and I
⏹️ ▶️ John would say kind of shaky, not maybe that reliable rumor is that the pro max will have,
⏹️ ▶️ John um, like a, a, a zoom camera with a moving, uh,
⏹️ ▶️ John element with the movie lens element inside it. Um, and I forget what the range was. I think it was like five X to
⏹️ ▶️ John eight X or something like an actual in inside the camera, a periscope lens where there’s an actual optical
⏹️ ▶️ John element that moves from left to right or whatever to change it. And that would only be on the pro max, but
⏹️ ▶️ John I’m not, I’m having a hard time buying that, but we’ll see. That was like two days ago. Yeah,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey I think for me, the idea of the iPhone Air sounds really, really good. And I’m going to be so
⏹️ ▶️ Casey in on it. And then I’m going to see, oh, the camera system is way not as good.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey And that’ll be me noping right out of it.
⏹️ ▶️ John It doesn’t even sound good to me. I don’t, I don’t want the length and the width are more important.
⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey Actually that’s true.
⏹️ ▶️ John The size of the camera, like looking at it head on is more important to me than the thickness. I do not want to
⏹️ ▶️ John sacrifice the battery life and I want all those cameras. I have no desire for the Air whatsoever,
⏹️ ▶️ John but we’ll see how many other people do because it’s, you know, as Marco said, if you’re dying for a new
⏹️ ▶️ John phone form factor, we don’t get those that often. Presumably we’re gonna get them in the next few years with the
⏹️ ▶️ John foldable phone and the whatever 20th anniversary phone. Like there’s gonna be lots of new phone
⏹️ ▶️ John form factors and the Air is just the start of that. So if you’re dying to try something new, this
⏹️ ▶️ John is a good year to check it out. But me, at first I’m not even getting a phone this year, but I’m, anyway, None
⏹️ ▶️ John of these new form factors appeal to me. I still like the Profone.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I think also one thing that might, so for me, like again, it isn’t about the thinness of the air for me probably.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I think what I would notice the most about holding it would be the weight. But we don’t know what’s gonna happen to
⏹️ ▶️ Marco the weight of the Profones either. It fluctuates a lot year to year. And- Didn’t they say
⏹️ ▶️ Casey What did they say this year, aluminum?
⏹️ ▶️ John So- Yeah, instead of, well, it’s not titanium anymore. They’re just using aluminum.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah, which is great.
⏹️ ▶️ John Aluminum’s lighter. Yeah, I would imagine the weight on the Pros is not gonna be that, I don’t know what the rumors of that
⏹️ ▶️ John are, but I’m just guessing based on the size of the thing that it’s probably going to be very similar.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco So aluminum cased phones typically are lighter than the titanium ones.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Also, aluminum tends to be lighter in this kind of use than glass.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco The back of the Pro phones is rumored to have less glass and more aluminum than
⏹️ ▶️ Marco it used to. So there could actually be a decent weight savings. Now,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco did they just spend that on more stuff in the phone?
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Right, like that’s probably, they probably just spent the weight savings from the case materials
⏹️ ▶️ Marco on guts of the phone, which for many phones or many configurations, that
⏹️ ▶️ Marco probably is the right call. Like most people who use iPhones would love extra battery
⏹️ ▶️ Marco life. So if they can shave a few grams off the case weight and then just make a slightly bigger battery,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco that’s probably the right move most of the
⏹️ ▶️ John was one of the rumors, by the way, we were asking, like, what are they gonna do with that giant camera mesa that now spans the full width
⏹️ ▶️ John of the phone? Like, what are they putting under there? And the answer was that one of the possible answers was, because we
⏹️ ▶️ John don’t know what the innards look like exactly, was that they’re able to slide more of the battery up to where they couldn’t before, because
⏹️ ▶️ John now the elements that would have been in the way of the battery can basically live in the giant camera
⏹️ ▶️ John mesa. So that would be a good use of that space. Like, what are they wasting all that space for? Other than making it so your phone is
⏹️ ▶️ John slightly less wobbly by having it go all the way across, it’ll still be wobbly because the lenses still poke out on one side and not on the other.
⏹️ ▶️ John But anyway, they can use their, one theory is they use that case, they use that space in the case
⏹️ ▶️ John to extend the battery further up, which would be great. Yeah, again, people love more battery life.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey I would love more battery life, but more than anything else, I want better thermals. And I know you’re right,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey John, I know you’re right, that the better thermals will be better, but not enough better. But
⏹️ ▶️ John still. If you think about it, it is a really difficult challenge with the sun beating down on your phone
⏹️ ▶️ John to be able to control that with a phone that’s like inside a case in your hand.
⏹️ ▶️ John It’s difficult, but maybe better screen technology, like maybe OLED will help with that. I’m not sure if that, maybe
⏹️ ▶️ John it’ll make it worse, actually. I don’t even know how, like dealing with the heat of, first of all, dealing with the light
⏹️ ▶️ John of the direct sun, which means that your screen has to be on maximum brightness, which is terrible for heat, right?
⏹️ ▶️ John And then just dealing with the heat of the sun heating up your phone, like if you leave your phone strapped to the
⏹️ ▶️ John dashboard of your car and the sun is beating down on it through the windshield of your car, like it’s a difficult
⏹️ ▶️ John challenge. But yeah, Apple doing something in this area the vapor chamber cooling is a great
⏹️ ▶️ John step in the right direction.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Yeah, very much so.
TechWoven?
⏹️ ▶️ Casey So we’ve also got some other leaks, speaking of things that we know nothing about, right, Marco?
⏹️ ▶️ Casey, John got some other leaks. I don’t know, so
⏹️ ▶️ John this one, like, the phone rumors are solid. We’ve had the designs down to the millimeter. This thing you’re about to read
⏹️ ▶️ John is late-breaking and people are still expressing some skepticism about. So keep that in mind as
⏹️ ▶️ John you listen to this.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey All right, so allegedly they’re reading from Mac rumors, Apple is designing new tech-woven
⏹️ ▶️ Casey cases for the iPhone 17 with photos of some of the alleged case colors by leaker MyGinBoo.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey They claim that the cases will include metallic buttons for improved tactile feedback, a camera control button,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey MagSafe compatibility, and two small holes at the bottom for attaching a crossbody strap or accessories. The cases
⏹️ ▶️ Casey appear to be for the iPhone 17 Pro models that are rumored to have a horizontal camera bar given the size of the camera
⏹️ ▶️ Casey cutout, but Boo says the tech-woven cases will be available for all of the iPhone 17 models. It
⏹️ ▶️ Casey is unclear as of yet if the cases are real, but we will find out in less than a month when when Apple unveils new iPhone 17 models.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Let me tell you, if these are fakes, they are incredible fakes. They got me if these are
⏹️ ▶️ John is replacing fine woven, which was their terrible idea for a leather-free
⏹️ ▶️ John premium case that picked up stains and was not durable. And I look at these cases,
⏹️ ▶️ John what do you think they’re made out of from looking at these pictures?
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Well, I’ll tell you, it looks very similar to cases that already exist on the market that
⏹️ ▶️ Marco have like fat, like one of the things-
⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John design ones?
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah, exactly. I was gonna say like the Peak Design phone cases have a like
⏹️ ▶️ Marco tech fabric on them. That is great. It’s sturdy, it looks good,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco it feels good, it has kind of like a weave. It here, I got one right here, let me see, I’ll pull it up.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah, like it, it looks very similar, honestly. Like I think the
⏹️ ▶️ Marco the Peak Design one has a bit, has a finer grain on the weave compared to this. It’s like
⏹️ ▶️ Marco fine woven? It is finer woven,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco but you know materials like that like you know cloth based or fabric based materials
⏹️ ▶️ Marco that are strong enough to be pretty decent phone cases do exist and they’ve been made
⏹️ ▶️ Marco by other companies for a long time. So I don’t doubt that this could like
⏹️ ▶️ Marco that this could exist. The only thing that gives me a little bit of pause on
⏹️ ▶️ Marco whether I think this is real or not is in the side picture where it shows
⏹️ ▶️ John Some a little off center.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco They’re not aligned. They’re a little like crooked on like, like the orange one,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco the green, like you, the buttons are a little crooked and I’ve seen that on cheap cases.
⏹️ ▶️ John I’ve seen that on Apple cases though, to be fair.
⏹️ ▶️ John okay. And presumably these aren’t production ones, but yeah, like these do look very plausible as third party cases.
⏹️ ▶️ John They also look vaguely plausible as first party. And I say that because we are in a post fine
⏹️ ▶️ John woven world. I’m not sure I would have believed that Apple, I remember we, I think we had, we talked about the
⏹️ ▶️ John final one rumor on the show with the same kind of like, uh, unsurety about it, but not only did they
⏹️ ▶️ John nail it, they even got the name. So, and again, this is not the same source of these rumors, so I’m not
⏹️ ▶️ John giving them any more greens, but I having seen that Apple will ship something like fine woven,
⏹️ ▶️ John I can’t entirely dismiss these out of hand.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco No, honestly, I think with the, with the exception of those crooked buttons, I think these look
⏹️ ▶️ Marco very good and very plausible. I don’t know if they’re real or not, but
⏹️ ▶️ Marco a few things jump out at me. Like number one, the rim that goes around the camera opening, that looks
⏹️ ▶️ Marco exactly like some of the cases Apple’s made recently. The colors
⏹️ ▶️ Marco are current fashionable colors in Apple’s current style. The general design
⏹️ ▶️ Marco of the case, the shape, how the fabric wraps around it, it isn’t like a plastic bumper around with fabric only in the
⏹️ ▶️ Marco back, like what Peak Design does, it’s like the fabric wraps all around so the corners can wear away
⏹️ ▶️ Marco for you. You know, that’s very Apple-like too. The Apple logo
⏹️ ▶️ Marco placement makes sense. It’s probably, you know, matching the phone. It’s tastefully done here.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I think these are probably real. And I think if they are real,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco it looks pretty good and they might actually be pretty nice.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Yeah, I mean, we’ll see what happens, but if they’ve learned from their mistakes,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey which one would hope Apple has, then this could show some real potential. So I
⏹️ ▶️ John forget. I got to click through to the thing to see. Do they show I know they showed in the ones we’re about to look at, but do they show the lanyard
⏹️ ▶️ John strap thing in photos here?
⏹️ ▶️ John Well, anyway, well, the rumor does say that they’re supposed to have lanyard strap things in the corner. And so do the next
⏹️ ▶️ John cases we’re going to look at here. Right.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Actually, no, I didn’t click through to my Jin Boo’s website.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey, John Let me do that real quick. Nope, doesn’t
⏹️ ▶️ Casey look like it. but no I don’t see it.
Liquid Silicone?
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Alright, moving on, as John just alluded, there’s also liquid silicone, which are the new silicone cases,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey again, by Mudge & Boo. Allegedly, the liquid silicone cases have a soft surface velvety finish
⏹️ ▶️ Casey with the potential for two variants, one with a liquid glass effect providing an opaque and satin texture, and
⏹️ ▶️ Casey one without this effect. It includes a rubber lanyard implemented as an integrated feature with the addition
⏹️ ▶️ Casey of multiple dedicated holes for attachment.
⏹️ ▶️ John So this one does show the little corner, like, you know, two little holes where you’d thread something in and out and presumably
⏹️ ▶️ John that’s connected to something more sturdy than just a piece of silicone because apple silicone cases always just shred so
⏹️ ▶️ John hopefully this has got a more sturdy frame in there. Again questionable origins
⏹️ ▶️ John on these rumors but it does look very apple-ish. This is essentially just a silicone case. I’ve been interested in
⏹️ ▶️ John this rumor, it’s been going around for like a couple weeks now. I’m interested in this rumor because of the word liquid
⏹️ ▶️ John being put into it as you know presumably a tie-in with liquid glass. I’m like what is it that makes
⏹️ ▶️ John this silicone liquid silicone? How is it not just a silicone case? And the text of this summary
⏹️ ▶️ John does not give me any more information. One with a liquid glass effect providing an opaque and satin
⏹️ ▶️ John texture and one without the effect. What? Is it see-through? Is
⏹️ ▶️ John it partially see-through? Does it have swirling? Is it like hyper-color shirts where you put your hands on it and it
⏹️ ▶️ John changes color? I’m interested to see if this brand,
⏹️ ▶️ John assuming these are real, do they try to brand the cases to match liquid glass
⏹️ ▶️ John putting the word liquid in and somehow making the silicone cases liquidier. Anyway,
⏹️ ▶️ John these are all closed in the bottom cases. So the only other interesting things about them is the idea of a lanyard strap, which
⏹️ ▶️ John do you remember? Maybe you don’t. Back in the day, the iPod touch had the little
⏹️ ▶️ John corner. You’d press it in and it would pop up like a little toadstool and you could wrap a little string around there and then
⏹️ ▶️ John put it. Yeah, the idea of attaching a string to your phone, I think is more plausible
⏹️ ▶️ John now than it has ever been, given the massive popularity of popsockets and other things like that. But I’m not entirely
⏹️ ▶️ John sure that that corner is going to hold up like again, especially Apple silicon cases,
⏹️ ▶️ John which are notorious for breaking apart on reentry after a few
⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco having pieces of them
⏹️ ▶️ John peel off. Not sure I want to trust the corner of one of those cases to
⏹️ ▶️ John hold my phone, but we’ll see. These are two, you know, setting aside all the things that have been massively
⏹️ ▶️ John leaked. these case rumors, I’m always looking out of scant and going, hmm, it’s plausible. Like Marco
⏹️ ▶️ John said, it’s plausible. The pictures look plausible, but when it comes to cases, you
⏹️ ▶️ John never know. So, in a post-fine world, I can’t rule anything out.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Also, I, so, you know, whether they call it liquid silicone or not, I mean, that’s
⏹️ ▶️ Marco kind of a weird name.
⏹️ ▶️ John It is weird. Why would it be liquid?
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Typically, if you see liquid coming out of any kind of plastic material, that’s a very bad sign and you should throw it away.
⏹️ ▶️ John You don’t want it to be like wet.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Right, exactly. But, you know, sure, Apple has funny names for things sometimes.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco What’s interesting is that if this, you know, however it is worded, maybe in a weird way through some translation,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco it sounds like they have maybe a new surface texture
⏹️ ▶️ Marco or a new surface finish. Maybe the silicone, maybe these new silicone cases
⏹️ ▶️ Marco are less pocket grippy.
⏹️ ▶️ John Yeah, yeah. Hope springs eternal. I don’t think it’s good, but okay.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I mean, look, it’s a stretch, I know, but they’re saying it has like a new finish, a new texture,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco maybe that’s it. Cause that has always been the biggest downside of the silicone. Like the silicone cases
⏹️ ▶️ Marco are great in many other ways, but that grippiness going in and out of pockets has always
⏹️ ▶️ Marco held them back from a lot of people. So look, this could be great. Also,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I think if the rumored, or if the, you know, the pictures that accompany this rumor are accurate,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I think these colors look great. Yeah. I hope this is real. You know, I am typically caseless
⏹️ ▶️ Marco these days, but the Apple silicone cases, if they don’t have that, you know, the
⏹️ ▶️ Marco major pocket friction problem are otherwise great. So I’m kind of crossing my fingers
⏹️ ▶️ John Yeah, silicone cases have usually come in pretty good colors. The phones don’t, but the silicone cases usually have one or two really
⏹️ ▶️ John good colors. The difficulty with like the grippiness factor is, obviously when it’s in your hand, you want it to be grippy.
⏹️ ▶️ John When you’re sliding it into your pocket, you want it to not be grippy. it’s hard to find that correct middle ground. If you go too
⏹️ ▶️ John slippery, I feel like it’s, the case will get dinged more in the court of public opinion than if you go too
⏹️ ▶️ John grippy, right? So I think that’s why they keep leaning in that direction. I just wish they could make those cases not fall apart.
⏹️ ▶️ John But anyway, I don’t buy them because, not because I don’t like the feel, like I actually do enjoy Silicon
⏹️ ▶️ John Feel Like Leather better, but Silicon I don’t mind, but they’re all closed in the bottom, so I can’t, they’re not to my
⏹️ ▶️ Casey I will say that the fine woven case, or sorry, tack woven cases, The colors are good, but they’re very,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey very muted. Whereas as you guys have said, the silicone cases I think are just genuinely good
⏹️ ▶️ Casey colors. So we’ll see what happens, but I don’t know. I don’t know what I’m gonna do this year since I’ve gone
⏹️ ▶️ Casey through like 94 screen protectors. I don’t know if having a case would potentially
⏹️ ▶️ John think you should have a case. People have been sending by the way, saying, hey, those screen protectors are not meant to be hit
⏹️ ▶️ John from like the edge. So they’re meant to be used with a case and that would save you from shattering them. So maybe you should try that.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Yeah, but I don’t want a case. Like I know I should have one.
⏹️ ▶️ John How about you just don’t want a screen protector then and just deal with the scratches on your screen that you’re gonna inevitably put there.
iPhone 18 Camera Control rumor
⏹️ ▶️ Casey All right, with regard to the iPhone 17, or no, excuse me, 18,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey is that right, actually? Yeah, I guess it is right. I
⏹️ ▶️ Casey, John didn’t even realize we were talking about 18. Iphone 17 is old news,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Casey. My bad, yeah, because we know everything there is to know, right, John?
⏹️ ▶️ Casey All right, so with regard to the 18, reading from Mac Rumors, an established Chinese leaker
⏹️ ▶️ Casey has pushed back against recent rumors suggesting that Apple plans to eliminate the camera control button from the iPhone 18,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey instead claiming the company is working to simplify the component to reduce costs. According to Weibo leaker Instant
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Digital, camera control’s pressure-sensitive modules for the iPhone 18 series currently remain in trial production.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey However, Apple is reportedly removing the capacitive sensor from the current dual-sensor design, and opting instead
⏹️ ▶️ Casey to rely solely on pressure sensing to achieve all-button functions. Instant Digital says Apple’s revised approach is similar
⏹️ ▶️ Casey to designs found in devices like the Oppo X8 Ultra and Vivo X200 Ultra, where pressure sensors
⏹️ ▶️ Casey alone can recognize light taps, firm presses, and sliding gestures. The leaker suggests cost concerns
⏹️ ▶️ Casey are driving the change, noting that the current solution is genuinely very expensive for Apple, it is generating
⏹️ ▶️ Casey costly after sales repairs.
⏹️ ▶️ John Yeah, so I mean, this rumor is a rumor by extension of saying camera control
⏹️ ▶️ John essentially unchanged in the 17s, but in the 18s, things might be, they might be looking to cheap out. I guess, well,
⏹️ ▶️ John this would probably would have been better for next week for our exit interview for the 16. I’m not sure we’ll have more to say about
⏹️ ▶️ John the camera control, but it’s interesting to know that they are thinking about cutting costs there
⏹️ ▶️ John while still putting it on the 16s and apparently the 17s, and they still want it on the 18s, just if it could
⏹️ ▶️ John be a little bit cheaper, please.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Well, and I mean, that is one way to look at it, you know, the kind of, you know, cynical, like, you know,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco expense angle, but the way I would look at it is the camera control is way too complicated. Like the moment
⏹️ ▶️ Marco it was released, we all said, this is way too complicated and fiddly. And like, it
⏹️ ▶️ Marco is kind of remarkable that it shipped the way it did when that seemed to be pretty common
⏹️ ▶️ Marco feedback. And it’s shipping again on the 17s. Well, yeah, because they, you know, they don’t change things that quickly with the iPhone, But
⏹️ ▶️ Marco if they took the feedback last fall to say, hmm, people don’t really need
⏹️ ▶️ Marco all this complexity. And what really serves most of the value here is just making it a button.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco What it sounds like they’re doing is basically making it a button.
⏹️ ▶️ John But it’s still all the same functionality. The rumor is it will still do all the things, it just, they can eliminate one kind
⏹️ ▶️ John of sensor. They used that pressure sensor and capacitive. They said, we think we can keep all the same functionality,
⏹️ ▶️ John but just have pressure sensitive and not have capacitive.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I mean, but what aren’t there like, don’t you like press a little bit and like swipe back and forth? I don’t
⏹️ ▶️ John That’s exactly what the, it’s a rumor, but the rumor claims that they can maintain all the same functionality
⏹️ ▶️ John with just pressure sensors because, and they give comparisons to these phones that are not familiar with the Oppo X8 Ultra
⏹️ ▶️ John and the Vivo X200 Ultra that do similar things. But maybe, you know, maybe not. So they
⏹️ ▶️ John say they support sliding gestures with just pressure. So again, I don’t see how that could be possible, especially when you have a case
⏹️ ▶️ John over it, where like the current cases, like the one I have now is like sort of capacitive
⏹️ ▶️ John conductance, you know what I mean? Like it knows when I’m touching it because I’m touching the case and the case is touching the button or whatever.
⏹️ ▶️ John But you know, it’s a rumor. So we’ll see how this turns out. This iPhone 18, not this year, next year.
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#askatp: Snapshots vs. backups
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Okay, let’s do some Ask ATP, especially
⏹️ ▶️ Casey since we may or may not have time for it next week. Phil Hurst writes, what are the key differences between snapshots and backups?
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Can you rely on snapshots as backups for or for retaining versions and recovery of files, but
⏹️ ▶️ Casey obviously not as a backup against drive failure as it’s usually on the same drive? Follow up, do snaps snapshots
⏹️ ▶️ Casey change following the application of hyperspace to a disk?
⏹️ ▶️ John So snapshot is definitely not a backup. It is just sort of a retaining of a past state of your drive
⏹️ ▶️ John on your drive. And even if Mac OS offers a way to
⏹️ ▶️ John manually create snapshots and then make sure that those snapshots are never deleted, which I’m not sure whether it
⏹️ ▶️ John does or not, but even if it did, I would not trust that as a backup because
⏹️ ▶️ John as Phil noted, backups are for when you have a problem where you lose all your data, you can get it back. And one of those
⏹️ ▶️ John problems might be the failure of the, the volume that your data is on snapshots are on the
⏹️ ▶️ John same volume. So it is, you know, don’t make backups on the the same, putting them on the same drive
⏹️ ▶️ John mechanism is bad, putting them on the same volume on the same drive mechanism is also bad. So yeah,
⏹️ ▶️ John not an ideal strategy. That said, I think in most normal people’s
⏹️ ▶️ John encountering of snapshots, they were all temporary and maybe purged by the system at any time. So it’s even less of a backup if
⏹️ ▶️ John you’re not finding a way to manually create and preserve them forever. And then finally, you wouldn’t want to manually
⏹️ ▶️ John create and preserve them for any period of time of backups because you’re just hogging space on your main drive.
⏹️ ▶️ John You know, essentially it’s like having your backups Now it’s not the same thing as doing a complete backup because obviously all the parts that are in common
⏹️ ▶️ John you’d only pay for once. But anyway, yeah, don’t use snapshots as a backup. Snapshots
⏹️ ▶️ John are important to making backups. For example, Time Machine takes a snapshot and then backs up that
⏹️ ▶️ John snapshot so it has a internally consistent point in time snapshot of the whole disk instead of having to
⏹️ ▶️ John start copying and then by the time it gets to the end of the copy, the disk is changed, right? So they’re good and they’re a good important
⏹️ ▶️ John part of Time Machine, but they’re not the same thing as backups. And as for do snapshots change following
⏹️ ▶️ John the application of hyperspace, they have nothing to do with each other. Anything you
⏹️ ▶️ John do to your disk, whether it’s using hyperspace to save space, which is my app for
⏹️ ▶️ John saving space on your drive without having to delete any files, it’s pretty cool.
⏹️ ▶️ John Or if you’re just doing work, I’m making some files, I’m moving the files around, I’m renaming things, I’m deleting things, anything
⏹️ ▶️ John you do to your disk, that’s also not changing any of your snapshots. Snapshots are frozen in a point in time.
⏹️ ▶️ John But later when there is a snapshot, that snapshot will look different than it would have had you not
⏹️ ▶️ John made those changes. That’s true of any changes, running hyperspace, writing files, reading files, deleting files, anything
⏹️ ▶️ John you did to your disk, when you take a future snapshot, will reflect the current state of your disk. And
⏹️ ▶️ John yes, hyperspace does change the current state of your disk. So there you go.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey All right, good deal. Did we get through that entire thing without you saying file system once? Yes, we did. Wow, can you say
⏹️ ▶️ Casey voice is my passport.
⏹️ ▶️ John I can’t believe it and say it either, but you know, there you
⏹️ ▶️ Casey go. You know what? I’ve always loved to hear you say fine.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey, Marco Yeah, exactly. Hooray!
#askatp: Finder slow with tons of files
⏹️ ▶️ Casey All right, Dan writes, why does the modern Finder take 1,000 years to move, copy, or delete batches of thousands
⏹️ ▶️ Casey of files? It didn’t used to be this way. I’ve had an empty Trash Finder progress window open for about 20
⏹️ ▶️ Casey minutes to delete several terabytes of local data. And it’s only up to 748 out of thousands of files.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Even moving files to a different directory takes so long these days that I often skip to the command line to speed things up. I’m afraid
⏹️ ▶️ Casey to delete so much data at the command line, though, on modern Mac OS because it might complicate its known inability to tell how much free
⏹️ ▶️ Casey space is available. What do you do, John?
⏹️ ▶️ John So first thing I’m going to say to Dan is do not worry about doing it from the command line. It will not
⏹️ ▶️ John ability to know how much free space is available. It won’t make it any better, but it also won’t
⏹️ ▶️ John make it any worse. So do not be afraid of doing stuff from the command line other than just, you know, fat fingering it and screwing yourself up.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah. Either way, it has no idea how much free space you
⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John have. Yeah, like it’s not
⏹️ ▶️ John helping. It’s not hurting. It is what it is. And as we’ve discussed in past shows, it’s not like this is some kind of bug or there’s some easy
⏹️ ▶️ John solution that Apple needs to implement. It’s just complicated. It’s just because of snapshots and all that stuff.
⏹️ ▶️ John it’s just complicated to express the actual state of things to people in a way that makes sense. It was
⏹️ ▶️ John much simpler when the disc was just like, you know, you have X amount of space and Y amount of stuff, and there you could add
⏹️ ▶️ John and subtract and it all made sense. That’s not the world we live in. This world is better in most ways,
⏹️ ▶️ John but in that one way it is more difficult to know how much free space you have. So, oh well, anyway, um,
⏹️ ▶️ John I put this item in here. I think this came in today, which is a
⏹️ ▶️ John because most of these things in asking to be here for months or weeks or whatever, because I just encountered
⏹️ ▶️ John this problem today. And when I saw what I thought, I didn’t quite understand what was
⏹️ ▶️ John going on. I’m like, it’s probably just me, who knows whatever. But then Dan wrote in, I’m like, no, I’m going to have to file
⏹️ ▶️ John this one because I feel like this might be well, I should test it in Tahoe first. Honestly, this might be another like
⏹️ ▶️ John too many windows type thing. So what Dan is talking about, and I think everyone here has noticed, especially like developers,
⏹️ ▶️ John oh, yeah, the new Xcode beta came out. So you throw out the old Xcode beta and put in the new one And then you go to empty trash
⏹️ ▶️ John and it’s like Emptying trash and starts counting up files. Thousand, two thousand,
⏹️ ▶️ John three thousand, ten thousand. It’s like preparing to empty trash. Bye. There’s a lot of files in these trash. Cause of course the Xcode
⏹️ ▶️ John beta.app is filled with just thousands and thousands of files. So it counts up,
⏹️ ▶️ John it counts up, it counts up. Then it goes, okay, now I’m deleting them. You can see this progress bar and it’s like
⏹️ ▶️ John moving along real slow. Like the full progress bar is like 90,000 files or something. And it’s like 100, 150, 157.
⏹️ ▶️ John and you’re like, oh my God, why is this taking so long? Which is
⏹️ ▶️ John why it’s been my habit to, you know, command backspace the old Xcode into
⏹️ ▶️ John the trash and then go to the terminal and do RM minus RF very carefully on the, you know,
⏹️ ▶️ John tilde slash dot trash directory, Xcode dot app, and it deletes it so much faster. RM deletes
⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco the Xcode from the
⏹️ ▶️ John trash so much faster than the empty trash does. It’s not even funny. I’ve been doing this for years, but fine, whatever.
⏹️ ▶️ John That’s a known issue. Today what I was doing was refreshing my folder
⏹️ ▶️ John full of favorite images that I use for the Apple screensaver. Apple screensaver, Apple’s photo
⏹️ ▶️ John screensaver has the ability to say, hey, we’ll show like an album of photos from your photos library
⏹️ ▶️ John in one of our like floating photos, screensavers things. I’m like, great. Could you
⏹️ ▶️ John use my favorites collection in photos? And it says, ha, ha, ha, you have too many photos, I give up.
⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco So I’m like,
⏹️ ▶️ John okay. because it just, it can’t handle, I have 200,000 photos, which I, and I have
⏹️ ▶️ John maybe 20,000 favorites, and it just doesn’t work. So what I do
⏹️ ▶️ John is I export from Apple Photos apps, like not full size, but the quote unquote
⏹️ ▶️ John large size, like used to be JPEG, but now HEAP compressed images into
⏹️ ▶️ John a folder, just a plain folder on my desk called favorites. It’s in user shared photos favorites.
⏹️ ▶️ John And I export all 20,000 photos at a slightly smaller size because they’re just gonna be shown on the screensaver and the little floating image
⏹️ ▶️ John thing, they’re gonna be shrunk anyway. And then I point the photo screensaver at that folder and I say,
⏹️ ▶️ John forget about the photo library, you can’t handle it, it’s too much for you. Just use the photos that are in
⏹️ ▶️ John that folder. But what it means is periodically I have to go and say, okay, last time I exported my favorites,
⏹️ ▶️ John it was this such and such a date. Now I need to select all the favorites from that date on and export
⏹️ ▶️ John those and add them to the folder. So I was doing that today. I exported 1,900 new favorites for the folder and
⏹️ ▶️ John I exported them into a folder on my desktop. Took a while for photos, but it’s got, you know, it’s compressing a bunch
⏹️ ▶️ John of RAWs into HEEC or whatever, like, fine. It fills the folder with 1,900 new photos.
⏹️ ▶️ John They’re about a few hundred K each compressed, right?
⏹️ ▶️ John And then I’m like, okay, I got to copy this over to my wife’s computer because I have the same setup over there.
⏹️ ▶️ John And so I mount her thing on the desktop and I drag the folder over there and it’s like copying, you know, 1,900
⏹️ ▶️ John files. And it was going so slow. It
⏹️ ▶️ John like, one, two. I’m like,
⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco how many hours is 1,900
⏹️ ▶️ John seconds? Cause he seemed like they’re going about one at a second. Like, it was like, what is going on here?
⏹️ ▶️ John What could it possibly be doing? It was still saying
⏹️ ▶️ John estimating time remaining. It never gave me a count, but I feel like it would have been way too long. And
⏹️ ▶️ John I left the room, I’m like, I’ll probably be done by the time I go do something. I came back in and it had progressed like 9%
⏹️ ▶️ John of the way through the progress bar. I’m like, oh F this. I hit the little X thing
⏹️ ▶️ John and waited. It takes forever to stop too. And it just did R sync, like three seconds.
⏹️ ▶️ John It was like three seconds, which was like, I thought I had typed the command wrong because I was like R sync, blah, blah,
⏹️ ▶️ John blah, blah, return, it was like return, oh, it’s on an empty lineup. There’s my prompt again. I’m like, wait, maybe I typed it wrong. Nope,
⏹️ ▶️ John it copied them all. It was only like a gig of data. It was so fast.
⏹️ ▶️ John So I think there’s something terribly, terribly wrong with the Finder when it comes to multi-file operations.
⏹️ ▶️ John Some things like duplicating huge files are instant because of the magic of space-saving clones and APFS.
⏹️ ▶️ John Thank you. Uh, but like, what is the Finder
⏹️ ▶️ John doing? It has always been slow and pre-flying, but I have never seen this kind of slowness. This
⏹️ ▶️ John is the kind of slowness that like makes me give up and not do it. Like the speed comparison
⏹️ ▶️ John of emptying the trash with Xcode in it versus RM minus RFing the trash with Xcode in it. That’s always
⏹️ ▶️ John been pretty extreme, but both of them get done eventually. But copying less than 2000 files from
⏹️ ▶️ John one Mac to another in the same room in the house connected by gigabit ethernet should never take this long.
⏹️ ▶️ John As evidenced by me doing rsync, and no, I wasn’t doing an rsync where it was like, oh, maybe you already had all the files there so
⏹️ ▶️ John I didn’t have to copy. No, I was rsyncing them into a new empty folder on your desktop, okay? It copied all those files
⏹️ ▶️ John nearly instantly from the command line, and I think it was gonna take like 30 minutes to an hour by my estimates.
⏹️ ▶️ John I have no idea what it was doing. Dan, thank you for putting this bee in my butt. If this still happens
⏹️ ▶️ John in Tahoe, I’m gonna have to file another one of my, you’ve broken Mac OS by not accounting
⏹️ ▶️ John for people who have lots of stuff.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Wow, that was a journey I was not expecting.
⏹️ ▶️ John I wasn’t expecting it until today either.
#askatp: AI vs. Apple 2030
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Sam Hunt writes, how do you think the rise of AI will affect Apple’s 2030 goal to make all Apple products
⏹️ ▶️ Casey carbon neutral? It seems to me that AI will use a lot more power over the lifetime of an Apple device, especially with
⏹️ ▶️ Casey many tasks being on device. You know, this is a great point, and maybe there’s an obvious answer to this that I’m not
⏹️ ▶️ Casey seeing, but I will say that one of the advantages of Apple being so all in on Apple Silicon
⏹️ ▶️ Casey is that it is considerably more efficient than most of its peers, like power efficient.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey And that means it’s sometimes in some ways slower, but it’s also the
⏹️ ▶️ Casey power use is comparatively quite a bit less. And that is working in their favor. But
⏹️ ▶️ Casey I don’t have a good answer for this. And maybe they just say, oopsie-doopsies, we’re not going to be carbon neutral after all. Or maybe they’ll just buy
⏹️ ▶️ Casey a million of those offsets, which I think we’ve all decided are kind of BS. Is that right?
⏹️ ▶️ John Yeah. I mean, they’re not BS, but they’re like, there’s qualities of carbon offsets of
⏹️ ▶️ John how much BS are they? Are they legitimate or are they totally BS or are they somewhere in between?
⏹️ ▶️ John But yeah, like this, I don’t think they’re gonna give up on the 2030 goal. They seem pretty committed
⏹️ ▶️ John to it. AI is not going to help. Let’s put it that way. It’s gonna make their life
⏹️ ▶️ John a lot harder. I think when they came up with this 2030 plan, they didn’t expect AI to
⏹️ ▶️ John be what it is now. Remember, they’re running stuff server-side with their private cloud compute. I don’t
⏹️ ▶️ John know if they’re accounting for that as part of their stuff, but as you noted, Casey, they’re also running lots of stuff on device.
⏹️ ▶️ John and that’s using more of people’s energy as well. Maybe if they just put bigger batteries in,
⏹️ ▶️ John I don’t like, I think it’s got to hurt them. And I haven’t heard them address it directly,
⏹️ ▶️ John but it seems like this 2030 thing is just like, it’s really important to the company and
⏹️ ▶️ John they’re just gonna make it happen no matter what, including as you noted, Casey, perhaps buying even more,
⏹️ ▶️ John slightly more shady carbon offsets to claim victory. And there’s a story maybe we’ll get to in some future episode
⏹️ ▶️ John about, I think it’s Germany saying that Apple can’t call its devices carbon neutral anymore for reasons that are
⏹️ ▶️ John not yet specified. But carbon neutrality is difficult to measure and AI is not helping.
⏹️ ▶️ John And on the topic of AI and being and using
⏹️ ▶️ John a lot of energy, there’s lots of stuff going around about, you know, how much energy uses, how much like water it uses, what
⏹️ ▶️ John the environmental impact of all these things, so on and so forth. The reason I’m much more
⏹️ ▶️ John chill about this than I am about Bitcoin, which I think, you know, is
⏹️ ▶️ John a complete waste of energy and resources is that despite AI using tons of
⏹️ ▶️ John resources, it does do some useful things.
⏹️ ▶️ John And I tried to choose those words carefully. Like I think Bitcoin does pretty
⏹️ ▶️ John much no useful things except for crime. But again, I don’t think that’s something that people should be,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey man, we’re going to get so much email. You’re not wrong, but we’re going to get so much email. How
⏹️ ▶️ Casey us on the blockchain? Yeah, email us on the blockchain. Yeah, we’ll
⏹️ ▶️ John definitely see it. Perfect. AI does some useful things. And so we
⏹️ ▶️ John expend energy all the time on things that we find useful. Heating and cooling
⏹️ ▶️ John our homes, all of the data centers that make up the quote unquote cloud.
⏹️ ▶️ John When we use websites, where are those websites? They’re running somewhere in a data center that requires cooling and
⏹️ ▶️ John water and so on and so forth. And yes, I get the argument that like, like, hey, well, but AI uses two
⏹️ ▶️ John orders of magnitude more energy per unit time spent by a human. But if it does something
⏹️ ▶️ John useful, historically, we as humans have said, if we’re if
⏹️ ▶️ John we’re getting use out of something, if there is utility in it, we will continue to refine it
⏹️ ▶️ John and enhance it and we will it is essentially worth the energy. Now, it would
⏹️ ▶️ John be great if we could have in general better ways to make energy with less carbon pollution, more renewable
⏹️ ▶️ John energy, more solar, so on and and so forth, like fusion energy someday when we’re all dead.
⏹️ ▶️ John Like, we’re always doing that. But what I want to see is the energy
⏹️ ▶️ John use, the ways we’re finding to generate energy, should be put towards things that are useful to humanity. And
⏹️ ▶️ John obviously, this AI stuff, people argue it’s not useful enough to be worth the cost. But I think there’s enough
⏹️ ▶️ John useful things in it that we should find a way to expand our energy
⏹️ ▶️ John budget to encompass that in the same way that we have expanded our energy budget to encompass the
⏹️ ▶️ John massive amount of data centers that did not exist before the dawning of the internet and popular culture
⏹️ ▶️ John that do exist now and take huge amounts of energy because we all find the utility of the internet
⏹️ ▶️ John is worth it. Um, and while we’re spending energy there, one would hope
⏹️ ▶️ John that we’re taking energy away from other areas like, you know, electric cars or led light bulbs
⏹️ ▶️ John or more solar. And like, it was a couple of news stories last summer was like on
⏹️ ▶️ John certain days during the summer, the entirety of California was powered by like renewable energy. Or
⏹️ ▶️ John if you look at the explosion of solar in China, right, those you know, we’re talking about before
⏹️ ▶️ John using, like spending the weight gains on giving more battery. We should be making gains
⏹️ ▶️ John in energy generation everywhere, despite our current government trying to stop that as hard as they possibly
⏹️ ▶️ John can, because it’s filled with idiots. And we should be spending those gains on new, useful
⏹️ ▶️ John things that we otherwise would not be able to do because of use energy. Now, none of this helps Apple 2030 goals to be clear
⏹️ ▶️ John because their whole thing is carbon neutral within the realm of one device. They’re not looking at the whole globe, so they’ve got their work cut
⏹️ ▶️ John out for them. But my stance on AI and energy use is if it’s a use, if it’s
⏹️ ▶️ John doing useful things for us, we should find a way to power it. Uh, if it’s not doing anything
⏹️ ▶️ John useful, except for allowing people to commit crimes, then maybe we should not allow it.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah. I think also, you know, AI is a new way for
⏹️ ▶️ Marco devices to use a bunch of processing power to try to be smart for us.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco This is not the first way we’ve done this. It’s just the most recent and maybe
⏹️ ▶️ Marco most intensive. But even before these new AI tools that Apple’s
⏹️ ▶️ Marco building into their software to run locally, even before all that, we were using ML.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco We were using machine learning. We were using other forms of heavy computation
⏹️ ▶️ Marco to analyze stuff on your phone to do things for you to try to be smart.
⏹️ ▶️ John Don’t forget the GUI. When the GUI was introduced, you’re like, you’re using all your computing power to show
⏹️ ▶️ John pretty pictures. What a waste. And again, it wasn’t at the same scale as AI. I get that. It’s a significant
⏹️ ▶️ John difference in scale. I totally get that. But the GUI was slammed for exactly
⏹️ ▶️ John the same. And it’s true. How much of the computing power on the original Macintosh dedicated to the GUI versus quote unquote
⏹️ ▶️ John doing actual stuff. It’s like 90% power in the GUI.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey We got several of these emails too about liquid glass, which on the one side, I’m like, come on. But on the other side, well…
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah. When you’re talking about something on the scale of the iPhone, everything matters.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco You’re talking about like, all right, try to offset the energy use or try to provide
⏹️ ▶️ Marco it via renewable means for billions of devices out there. Yeah, that’s going to be hard. Like
⏹️ ▶️ Marco that’s not a small problem. And every little bit helps. Even something like using
⏹️ ▶️ Marco plug-in wire charging instead of wireless charging, because it’s more efficient. Like that can help a ton
⏹️ ▶️ Marco too. There’s all sorts of things like that that can help. Having every
⏹️ ▶️ Marco new iPhone, despite being migrated over from an old iPhone, reset
⏹️ ▶️ Marco the screen dimming behavior. So it dims like four seconds after you stop touching it, every
⏹️ ▶️ Marco single time you change phones. Like that’s not an accident. Apple does that
⏹️ ▶️ Marco because it helps them in various ways. It probably helps their, you know, their green initiative. It definitely
⏹️ ▶️ Marco helps the perception of the battery life of their phones. So it helps them in lots of ways. And I guarantee
⏹️ ▶️ Marco you that’s why that’s always been the case. Everything matters, but where AI is starting from
⏹️ ▶️ Marco is not the phone was sitting around doing nothing. They’ve already accounted for
⏹️ ▶️ Marco the phone having background processing for things like photo indexing and
⏹️ ▶️ Marco deciding when to run certain tasks and analyzing the power you see. There’s
⏹️ ▶️ Marco already been lots of those background tasks on phones. So I don’t think
⏹️ ▶️ Marco having AI used, honestly, reasonably sparingly for not that many features,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I don’t think that’s going to be massively different from any other new
⏹️ ▶️ Marco feature, new application they’ve added to the phones over time. It might be. I could be wrong.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco But again, they’re not coming from nothing here. So it’s not like they all of a sudden have to offset like everything.
⏹️ ▶️ John No, I think you’re right about on device. Like the easy way to think about this on device is like the batteries
⏹️ ▶️ John in our phone are not getting astronomically larger. So it’s pretty clear that the additional
⏹️ ▶️ John battery drain from Apple intelligence stuff is not that big. Because if it was, our battery
⏹️ ▶️ John life would be destroyed because the battery size increase that came along with the advent of
⏹️ ▶️ John Apple intelligence was not significant. And yet we’re all using our phones with Apple intelligence on it and it’s
⏹️ ▶️ John not that bad. get worse in the future, but like, they’re going to be limited by how much energy can you put in a battery on
⏹️ ▶️ John a phone until there’s some kind of breakthrough. There’s not going to be this huge difference. Now, the server
⏹️ ▶️ John side is where there’s the biggest problem. This is what most people complaining about, to be fair, because in a data center,
⏹️ ▶️ John you want higher utilization, like you don’t want things sitting idle. If you have
⏹️ ▶️ John some server that’s running AI stuff in the data center, in general, you want that hardware to be optimally
⏹️ ▶️ John utilized as in whatever, whatever, like 80% usage or whatever you think is the sweet spot between like heat
⏹️ ▶️ John generation and whatever. You don’t want it to be idle. OK, and it is true
⏹️ ▶️ John that doing anything in AI can take orders of magnitude more power than doing the same thing,
⏹️ ▶️ John non-AI. So, for example, doing a Google search in the pre-AI days versus doing
⏹️ ▶️ John anything with chat GPT, both both things may respond to you within a second, right? But you spent
⏹️ ▶️ John ten, a hundred, a thousand times more energy doing the chat GPT answer than you did
⏹️ ▶️ John doing the Google query. And if that you spread that across an entire data center
⏹️ ▶️ John that used to be doing simple, you know, simple queries doing like something for
⏹️ ▶️ John iCloud drive or something doesn’t doesn’t require a lot of computation and you have an equally sized data center
⏹️ ▶️ John that is now doing AI stuff at orders of magnitude more energy. That’s where you start to see all these
⏹️ ▶️ John horror stories about like, look how much more energy is using or whatever, but but that is like it’s concentrated
⏹️ ▶️ John in one place. device on device is not going to be like that again, unless we have some kind of breakthrough in battery
⏹️ ▶️ John power, because it just can’t be you can’t use 10 100 or 1000 times more energy from your phone, the battery
⏹️ ▶️ John will last, you know, an hour, the phone will not be satisfactory. So I
⏹️ ▶️ John wouldn’t worry about on device in terms of like, we’re destroying the environment, although see Margo’s thing of like, yeah,
⏹️ ▶️ John but every little bit multiplied by a billion does add up. But it is a problem for Apple for the 2030 goals. But I don’t think
⏹️ ▶️ John it’s a problem for humanity. The data centers may be a problem for humanity. But again, see previous week where we were talking about
⏹️ ▶️ John chat, DPD five and opening, I suddenly getting kind of interested in being able to do inference,
⏹️ ▶️ John uh, more cost effectively because all that energy costs money, you know? And so this, I
⏹️ ▶️ John feel like we’re, we’re burning a lot of energy on the early days of AI and hopefully we will get better at this.
⏹️ ▶️ John We will get better at doing AI at about the same speed as we use more and more energy with AI. So,
⏹️ ▶️ John you know, I, I’m, I’m pretty optimistic about the energy use impact of AI, as provided
⏹️ ▶️ John we continue on our current accelerating path towards less carbon
⏹️ ▶️ John generation from creating electricity, which again, our country is fighting against because we’re
⏹️ ▶️ John bad, but the rest of the world is marching forward on. And
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After-show
⏹️ ▶️ John I don’t think I politically have to show, but just just before
⏹️ ▶️ John we came on the air, I saw Jeff Atwood post that he had sold one of those new electric mail
⏹️ ▶️ John trucks. What did he say about it? He said, a friend sent me this photo from a walk, and it’s a nice reminder
⏹️ ▶️ John of progress showing one of the incredibly ugly but still electric new mail trucks. I
⏹️ ▶️ John didn’t want to be that guy, but sometimes it’s my turn to be that guy. So I had to reply to him with a link
⏹️ ▶️ John to a story from August 17th that says the current administration is
⏹️ ▶️ John trying to make a U-turn on the federal commitment to electric vehicles for the Postal Service, because electricity is bad,
⏹️ ▶️ John and we should not have electric vehicles, and we should go back to diesel or whatever the hell. So there is nothing that
⏹️ ▶️ John is good in this world that our current government will not try to put a stop to and reverse. Sorry
⏹️ ▶️ John for that pessimism, but it
⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco really is just. It’s difficult over here.
⏹️ ▶️ John It’s not just liquid glass.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah, we’re in a bad place, and it’s getting worse. and it’s going to take
⏹️ ▶️ Marco a lot of time and a lot to clean up. But I do think we
⏹️ ▶️ Marco will eventually clean it up. It’s hard to see a way out right now,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey And that’s the thing, the Democrats are just, as far as I can tell, they’re just sitting there.
⏹️ ▶️ John They’ll die too, eventually.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Well, in all fairness, that’s what the Democrats do best, is they just sit there. Like, they’re great at
⏹️ ▶️ Marco that. Believe me, I’m not a huge fan of the Democrats in absolute terms. they’re just
⏹️ ▶️ Marco the only functioning governing party we have.
⏹️ ▶️ John There are some good ones out there, they’re just not in charge. So,
⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco you know. Right,
⏹️ ▶️ John exactly. Hopefully there’ll be some kind of turnover and eventually things will get better. But it just
⏹️ ▶️ John boggles my mind. This is all kind of centralized around, well, on my vacation I got to see the big,
⏹️ ▶️ John the wind turbine blades. I’ve taken pictures of them a few years running now. They’re all set
⏹️ ▶️ John up in like New London and being taken out to the water to be set up. And
⏹️ ▶️ John those wind turbine farms were also stopped by the government because electricity
⏹️ ▶️ John through wind is bad, kills the whales or something. I don’t know. Anyway, like, it’s just
⏹️ ▶️ John like, we can’t, it’s just so frustrating to see things that were like put in motion, paid for
⏹️ ▶️ John nearly completed. And someone comes out and says, no, we don’t want electric cars. We don’t want electric
⏹️ ▶️ John mail trucks. We don’t want wind turbines. We don’t want any of that. We need to go back to coal. And it’s just like,
⏹️ ▶️ John oh my God, what, what? And then I have to update the liquid glass too
⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey I didn’t get,
⏹️ ▶️ John by the way, to get this back on tech tops. I didn’t give my liquid glass thing. Cause you guys were going on for a while at the beginning, but like us,
⏹️ ▶️ John my, yeah, my, my plan was always for, for Tahoe is I just have Mac
⏹️ ▶️ John house. My plan was always not to change any of my UIs. Like you guys were planning on doing, like
⏹️ ▶️ John not to liquid glassify them, to use the new controls or whatever, but to simply make my existing
⏹️ ▶️ John apps look and work more or less how they do now with
⏹️ ▶️ John Liquid Glass. I wasn’t gonna use the UI fallback, whatever that is, like UI compatibility, blah, blah, blah. I was gonna compile on the new
⏹️ ▶️ John SDK. I was gonna use any new APIs that are available, add features as appropriate, like add the new glass material
⏹️ ▶️ John to switch glass because it’s Liquid Glass, makes sense, right? But I wasn’t gonna like, oh, now I’m gonna add a toolbar
⏹️ ▶️ John and I’m gonna use the search, I wasn’t gonna do any of that. And just doing that, doing essentially
⏹️ ▶️ John no UI changes, just make it work with Liquid Glass, I feel like I’m barely gonna make it by the skin of my teeth and my apps
⏹️ ▶️ John are simple. And so Casey’s like, yeah, last week I looked into changing call sheet. I’m like, what?
⏹️ ▶️ John You started so late.
⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey No, I did. Way too late.
⏹️ ▶️ John I started the day after WWDC, banging my head against these five dinky apps and
⏹️ ▶️ John every beta that comes out, like Marco said, every beta that comes out, I go back through my screens, like, well, they broke this. Oh, here, this is broken in a new way.
⏹️ ▶️ John I’ve never seen that before. What the hell is this? I don’t even have time to file the bugs anymore. Like
⏹️ ▶️ John they’re breaking things in ways that I can’t even understand how they’re breaking. I break things in ways that are making me go back to
⏹️ ▶️ John my, my, my Sequoia versions, like the versions that are on the app store and say, was this
⏹️ ▶️ John always broken? Like, no, it works fine in Sequoia. And it’s a hundred percent broken
⏹️ ▶️ John and like code that I did not change that has not changed in any way that used to work and now doesn’t
⏹️ ▶️ John anymore. And they’re like, I don’t even know how to file this as a feedback request. It’s just,
⏹️ ▶️ John it’s exhausting and I’m doing nothing. I’m doing absolutely nothing. Like I just, it should just be like,
⏹️ ▶️ John it looks the same as it always did. Right. that should have been no work for you. And it’s like, no, I’ve been working on it every single day since WWDC.
⏹️ ▶️ John So I feel for you guys, but like, yeah, I think this
⏹️ ▶️ John is gonna be a, it’s making me fearful of upgrading my other devices to
⏹️ ▶️ John like, because I’ll have to deal with everyone else’s app. And like you guys said, it’s not their
⏹️ ▶️ John fault. It’s not the developer’s fault that these apps don’t work. Apple’s just breaking stuff. And
⏹️ ▶️ John regardless of the whole like, oh, well, they usually only have eight betas and that’s probably the last one. Like, that’s not what we should be worried
⏹️ ▶️ John about. We should worry about the calendar. The event is on September 9th. Like, there’s a deadline.
⏹️ ▶️ John They’re gonna ship these phones. Then, yeah, the pizza box things, updates the OS. Either way, like, whatever
⏹️ ▶️ John OS is ready to go on the little pizza box things in the Apple stores on like September 15th, like, that’s what we’re getting.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah, I mean, this is, like, you know, you say like you’re out of time to file bugs.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco It wouldn’t matter. It’s too late. Like,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John whatever. Oh yeah,
⏹️ ▶️ John no, it’s too late, but I’m having things that are breaking that are like, I need this to be fixed within the next year, please. Otherwise, people
⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco are like, hey, why is your app broken? I’m
⏹️ ▶️ John broke it. I don’t know. I don’t know why it doesn’t work. It’s the same damn code. I can’t fix it.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah, at this point, any significant bug that you still see
⏹️ ▶️ Marco will be lucky if it’s fixed in 26.1. It might even be like 26.2, 26.3. I don’t wanna
⏹️ ▶️ John be lucky if these are fixed two years from now. It’s the type of thing, some bugs that I fought with,
⏹️ ▶️ John and like graphical glitches, you’re talking about graphical glitches, it’s even worse on macOS,
⏹️ ▶️ John because I have like an app kit window that has a NS hosting view inside it with a SwiftUI view, and like
⏹️ ▶️ John the way literal windows on macOS interact with the views that have
⏹️ ▶️ John SwiftUI views inside them when those things resize, and how they, like the timing between the app kit
⏹️ ▶️ John window resizing versus a SwiftUI thing resizing, being slightly off and stuff, and that behavior is 100% change,
⏹️ ▶️ John and it’s changed in a way that I can’t get it to look right in Tahoe, period, no matter what I do.
⏹️ ▶️ John But it works fine using my existing code on the old OS. And it’s like, I don’t even know how to file that.
⏹️ ▶️ John Like that’s never gonna be fixed. My app is just gonna be janky from now on until Apple does something
⏹️ ▶️ John to magically fix it. I did file a bunch of bugs on this years ago and they never got fixed.
⏹️ ▶️ John And I just found workarounds. I guess I’ll just have to try to find workarounds in Tahoe. But like I spent the
⏹️ ▶️ John past week trying to find workarounds for like window resizing, view resizing jank
⏹️ ▶️ John in Tahoe. and I could not find a way to make it not janky. So guess what? It’s gonna be janky in
⏹️ ▶️ John Tahoe. Pfft, not great.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah. It’s, we’re in for a rough fall. And
⏹️ ▶️ Marco you’re right, like on the Mac, your odds of getting bugs fixed are much lower
⏹️ ▶️ Marco and take much longer timelines. You know, we’re lucky here in iOS land, me and Casey, like we’re lucky that like iOS
⏹️ ▶️ Marco bugs do tend to get fixed significantly faster.
⏹️ ▶️ John Yeah, cause there’ll be some important app, like, you know, like Netflix or Facebook, I don’t know some app that Apple cares about
⏹️ ▶️ John will have the bug and they’ll fix it. But that’s why I’m saying my timelines are years. Like, will this be fixed in the next
⏹️ ▶️ Marco releases? If and with with Mac bugs, it’s years, if ever, like many Mac bugs are just
⏹️ ▶️ Marco never fixed and we just have to deal with it.
⏹️ ▶️ John Or they just become irrelevant because like the thing that you had, the bug in goes away, like so much stuff in Mac OS
⏹️ ▶️ John went away. Like there are things like there are constants and appearances and settings that just simply do nothing now because liquid glass
⏹️ ▶️ John has no concept of that thing. And so you could just change these attributes. And it’s like, no, it doesn’t change anything about it, because
⏹️ ▶️ John that whole thing’s gone. And that’s happened for years. Like, you remember all the brush metal stuff? All that stuff still
⏹️ ▶️ John in Mac OS, and you can set it, but you’re never going to see brush metal, obviously. And so if you had any
⏹️ ▶️ John bugs about the brush metal appearance, they’re all fixed, because those attributes do nothing now.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Gracious. It’s not fun out there, y’all. It’s not fun out there. But you know what? In a couple
⏹️ ▶️ Casey of weeks, we’re gonna be able to be distracted by consumerism, which I know is not great. But
⏹️ ▶️ Casey I feel like all three of us need a a little distraction in that regard. I bet you do too.
⏹️ ▶️ John Yeah, the AirPods, let’s put it this way. The AirPods Pro 3, which I know you’re looking forward to, there’s no visible
⏹️ ▶️ John UI on them. So they’ll either work
⏹️ ▶️ John or they won’t, but you won’t have to look at any screenshots and no one will have to write software that morphs some
⏹️ ▶️ John button into some other thing or whatever.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah, the AirPods are still delightful. They’re still an amazing product. I can’t wait
⏹️ ▶️ Marco to see what the 3s bring because the 2s have been so great for me. I’m
⏹️ ▶️ Marco very much looking forward to the year. And we didn’t even mention too, like, you know, there’s also most likely new Apple Watches coming out. We don’t know what
⏹️ ▶️ John Yeah, Apple Watch Ultra 3, although I think that’s gonna look just like the 2, but still.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah, probably. But still, like, you know, there’s a lot to look forward to for consumerism. And yeah,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco it is consumerism, but you know what? In the world we live in right now, especially
⏹️ ▶️ Marco as Americans, we could use some distracting, fun, fluffy
⏹️ ▶️ Marco stuff. Like, we could really use it. So, you know, I know it’s not the best thing in
⏹️ ▶️ Marco the world to buy phones that you don’t need, but you know what, look, look around
⏹️ ▶️ Marco our country. We can like have a drink, which is not super healthy, or we can buy a new iPhone, you know,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco whatever we need to cope at this point, you know, do what you gotta do.
⏹️ ▶️ John And just give your old phones to your kids, you know, try to keep that e-waste out of there, pass it on
⏹️ ▶️ John to someone who can’t afford to get a new phone and will still be doing a net good, sort of.