634: We Don’t Have Enough Bees
10 Apr 2025The Nintendo Switch 2, iOS-redesign rumors, finally surrendering in three old battles, and our plans for [waving hands] all of this.
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- Pre-show:
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- Follow-up:
- Vision Pro corner:
- Feedback on Feedback
- Some thoughts on scale (via Matthew Fenselau)
- Do indies really get that much email?
- A response from Apple‽ 🤨 (via Vítor)
- Apple’s big OS redesign
- Nintendo Switch 2 launch
- Launch video
- Hands-on:
- The Joy-Cons are now mice
- microSD Express only
- Chunky hinges
- Pricing
- iPhone 17 Pro 48MP zoom lens
- Ask ATP:
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- How do I back up my photos?
- How do we document complicated setups (via yertle)
- Post-show: How do we handle… everything?
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Chapters
- Yielding three battles
- ATP Store
- (Quick!) Vision Pro corner
- Feedback on Feedback
- Indie support loads
- Apple appreciates our participation
- Sponsor: Squarespace
- “Solarium” iOS redesign
- Nintendo Switch 2
- iPhone 17 Pro: 48MP 3.5X?
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- #askatp: Product reviews
- #askatp: iPhone & Android photo backups
- #askatp: Documenting setups
- Ending theme
- Tariff plans?
Yielding three battles
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I have recently given up on three fights or battles I guess that I’ve been
⏹️ ▶️ Marco battling for a long time. Number one, yes I saw the technology
⏹️ ▶️ Marco connections videos about dishwashers and dishwasher detergent and I know
⏹️ ▶️ Marco that my dishwasher works better on powder than on the dishwasher pods.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I’ve been fighting this fight I’ve been using dishwasher powder and two things have made me
⏹️ ▶️ Marco start buying pods. Number one, we now have we now have a dishwasher that was
⏹️ ▶️ Marco made after the pod era. The new dishwasher does not have the pre rinse like
⏹️ ▶️ Marco cycle hole in it. It was designed for pods from the start.
⏹️ ▶️ John Wait, what hole are you talking about? The pre rinse thing is just a place that’s not covered up that you put
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Basically, I mean, so the one at the beach, it has like, you know, the the big hole
⏹️ ▶️ Marco and then there’s like a little small, a smaller well next to it, but the flap
⏹️ ▶️ Marco covers both of them. But when you lift it up, like there’s like little slots that like some
⏹️ ▶️ Marco of the powder and the pre rinse will fall out when you close the door, like just from gravity.
⏹️ ▶️ John You can just put some the pre rinse thing like you should send me a photo of your thing. I’ll tell you where you should put it. But the point is, you
⏹️ ▶️ John want it to be someplace where when you close the door, it just falls down because that’s when it’s going to be used. I mean, why don’t you just pour it in the bottom?
⏹️ ▶️ John Yeah, you can do that. You can do that, too. But are you afraid of squirting it on the heating element or something? You know?
⏹️ ▶️ Casey No, I believe in that same video. I haven’t watched it in a long time. But Alec just said, if just dump it on the
⏹️ ▶️ Casey door and then close the door, which is what we do.
⏹️ ▶️ John Yeah. And the reason you don’t do it in the bottom, like I said, because what if you’re worried about a glob of it goes on the heating element and then like bakes
⏹️ ▶️ John on there or something.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Oh, I think, well, anyway, so reason number two that I’m just buying pods now is that it’s getting
⏹️ ▶️ Marco harder and harder to find the powder, like, in like, you know, I just have like a grocery store in the suburbs where I
⏹️ ▶️ Marco live here and like the grocery store that, you know, it’s like a big chain grocery store, there’s
⏹️ ▶️ Marco like one box left.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John And it’s like. You
⏹️ ▶️ John got to stop thinking like you’re on on Fire Island, you can buy things on the internet and they’ll deliver them to your house. You know that?
⏹️ ▶️ John You don’t have to get them
⏹️ ▶️ Marco in a wagon or anything. I never thought about buying dishwasher powder on the internet, like it’s so
⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John cheap. You should
⏹️ ▶️ John buy it in bulk, like it just, we don’t use powder, we use like, it’s like essentially liquid or gel, it’s
⏹️ ▶️ John like powder suspended in a thing, which I’m sure you can find. But if you want powder, just buy a couple
⏹️ ▶️ John boxes of it from Amazon and stick them in your basement.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Oh, that’s interesting. I don’t have a basement, but that’s interesting. All right, okay, maybe I might relent on this. Well, let’s
⏹️ ▶️ Marco my other two fights. I think you might have more to say. I know Casey will about this next one.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Oh, no, I have gone back to the official Dropbox client.
⏹️ ▶️ John I never left. So, okay,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey there’s a better way. Marco, there’s a better way, but carry on
⏹️ ▶️ John way when you say the official one file provider or no.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Uh, what’s the current one from their website as of
⏹️ ▶️ John the thing. I discovered this while doing a hyperspace development. I’m like, Oh, I I think I mentioned this
⏹️ ▶️ John ages ago in the show, that somehow I’ve managed to avoid upgrading Dropbox to the new version
⏹️ ▶️ John that uses Apple’s file provider framework, the same underlying framework that powers iCloud Drive, because that’s the new
⏹️ ▶️ John recommended way to do it. Somehow, Dropbox hasn’t updated me. So when I was doing hyperspace development, I’m like, OK,
⏹️ ▶️ John I want to do the cloud storage support. I need to get the Dropbox version that supports file provider. But I wasn’t going to put
⏹️ ▶️ John that on my computer. So I went to another computer. I’m like, all right, let me just make a new Dropbox account, download the client.
⏹️ ▶️ John I’m sure I’ll have the file provider one. Not only did I not have the file provider version of the Dropbox client, but when
⏹️ ▶️ John I asked for it, it said, no, you can’t have it. Like they wouldn’t let you download it? No, like it’s
⏹️ ▶️ John inside the app. You can say like, do you want to use file provider or not? It said this account is not eligible because it was the account I had just created.
⏹️ ▶️ John This account is not eligible for the file provider version of Dropbox. That’s really weird. So I’m wondering,
⏹️ ▶️ John I think probably because you have an older account, you are eligible. But anyway, I think in settings
⏹️ ▶️ John somewhere, it says, please use the file provider version, which is weird. You think it would be a different download or something. But anyway,
⏹️ ▶️ John my stance is that the file provider one is worse, so I hope you don’t have
⏹️ ▶️ Marco it. Thanks, I mean, we’ll see. I mean, the main, so I’ve been using Maestro, this open
⏹️ ▶️ Marco source Dropbox client that uses like their API. And the reason why I switched to Maestro in the first place,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco we talked about it on the show, I think years ago at this point. Yeah, it was a long time ago. Yeah, the reason why I switched is
⏹️ ▶️ Marco that the Dropbox app was getting really like just inefficient and bloated. And Maestro was just like,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco it was, and this was right around the time that Dropbox switched to Electron for their app. And so
⏹️ ▶️ Marco the Dropbox app took up tons of RAM. It was constantly idling CPU cores, like
⏹️ ▶️ Marco pegging CPU cores. It was just massively inefficient. And it was also adding a bunch of annoyances,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco which it’s still full of. Just pestering you for more and more permissions, pestering you whenever you do anything
⏹️ ▶️ Marco on your computer that Dropbox might want a piece of. The pop of a modal in the middle of your work, saying, hey,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco you know you can use Dropbox for part of it. Just nagging the crap out of you.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco And Maestro came up and was like, here’s an open source thing and it’s like lightweight and very gentle on your
⏹️ ▶️ Marco resources and doesn’t bug you at all. And I’ve used Maestro for years. The problem is it works
⏹️ ▶️ Marco like 98% of the time and that other 2% drives me nuts. Like
⏹️ ▶️ Marco every time something doesn’t sync from Dropbox or it syncs really slowly, like, you know, I have
⏹️ ▶️ Marco to wait like 10 minutes for something to appear that I know like I put there on a different computer or whatever, like
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Maestro works really well a lot of the time, but not all of the time. And the actual official
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Dropbox client, I never had those problems with. Now granted, I haven’t used it in years. So maybe the new one,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco maybe the current Dropbox app is just as inconsistent, but probably not. It never was.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco It had a lot of other faults, but it was always, it always performed consistently in terms of like actually syncing your files
⏹️ ▶️ Marco quickly and reliably.
⏹️ ▶️ John I still find that to be true by the way, with the non-file provider version. Works all the time.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Great. I think when I gave up Dropbox’s client for Maestro, I believe I was
⏹️ ▶️ Marco still on Intel LMAX, I think. And
⏹️ ▶️ Marco what’s different now is that we have all these efficiency cores and Mac OS
⏹️ ▶️ Marco is designed for Apple Silicon. It’s designed to put almost any
⏹️ ▶️ Marco background process on efficiency cores and to lock them there. They aren’t even
⏹️ ▶️ Marco able to use the performance cores in most cases. So when Dropbox, if their client now has some kind of
⏹️ ▶️ Marco background process like pegging a CPU core that’s almost certainly going to spend its entire
⏹️ ▶️ Marco time running on an efficiency core and the efficiency cores on Apple silicon are basically
⏹️ ▶️ Marco free in terms of like you know what it does to your computing experience like you can have an efficiency core
⏹️ ▶️ Marco running a hundred percent all the time in fact many system services do exactly that and it’s fine
⏹️ ▶️ Marco like nothing bad happens you barely even notice any kind of power impact or heat or fan impact
⏹️ ▶️ Marco because the efficiency cores are really efficient that’s hence the name and why we keep getting a lot of them. So
⏹️ ▶️ Marco if an app like Dropbox starts spinning one of those cores now on these modern Macs, it has
⏹️ ▶️ Marco almost no noticeable impact to the user or to the system performance. So anyway,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I’m trying that for a while. I guess I’ll report back if I have any major problems but I have given up
⏹️ ▶️ Marco on the Dropbox fight. I am now back to the official Dropbox client.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco And finally, my third battle. This one I’ve been fighting for a while too.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I I think it started around the same time for similar reasons. I have kept,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I usually keep a few browsers installed on my computer. You know, I used to keep them all just because I was a web developer.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I’ve pared down. Safari is my main browser. I used to also try to keep a second browser or third browser
⏹️ ▶️ Marco installed for not only sites that don’t work in Safari, but also just like
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I like to have separate browsers to be able to test different account logins, logged in versus not logged
⏹️ ▶️ Marco in state. And like ever since I ever since I started the restaurant, I’ve been having a second
⏹️ ▶️ Marco browser for restaurant related accounts to be logged into all the time. So it doesn’t interfere with my main browser accounts.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco And so what I’ve used for this purpose for a while I used brave,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco which is it’s one of those many browsers. It’s like let’s take chrome and strip all the Google, you know, branding
⏹️ ▶️ Marco and certain integrations from it. But it’s basically chrome rebranded and kind of ungoogled
⏹️ ▶️ Marco and brave over time. It’s been fine. It’s gotten a little weird over time
⏹️ ▶️ Marco with like some of its own pushiness and weirdness and it’s like I don’t need you to be pushy, I’m
⏹️ ▶️ Marco using you to be specifically anti-pushy. So that’s kind of weird. I’ve used
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Firefox for this purpose in recent years. If you haven’t used Firefox since it was
⏹️ ▶️ Marco since Tayday a million years ago, give it a shot. It’s actually very good in a number of ways.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco It’s surprisingly fast and it’s very good. However, a lot of stuff doesn’t work
⏹️ ▶️ Marco in Firefox still. And that’s probably never going to change given its market share. So there’s a lot of
⏹️ ▶️ Marco now checking for Chrome specifically by websites and web apps.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco And some of this is just because they only want to test on Chrome because they’re lazy or
⏹️ ▶️ Marco they’re using some kind of cutting edge web API that is not well supported by other browsers. Some of it though
⏹️ ▶️ Marco is like they’re just doing like dumb user agent checking. So because like again, they don’t want to they don’t want to bother checking
⏹️ ▶️ Marco for capabilities, which is bad in lots of ways. But that’s the reality of the web these days. Some of it
⏹️ ▶️ Marco is like, you know, like I try to pay my estimated taxes to a New York State website recently.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I’m on another browser and it’s like, you have to use Safari or Chrome. We will not allow this. It’s hard to
⏹️ ▶️ Marco not be using Safari and Chrome. I did try Orion because I’ve been using Kagi or
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Kaji. I think it’s Kagi. I’ve been using Kagi as my search engine for a while. It’s pretty good. Check it out.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco same. It’s actually very good. I’ve mentioned it on the show. I’ve had good luck with it. I’ve been using it for, I think,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco like six months. It’s been great. Anyway, Kagi has a browser called Orion.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco It’s very Safari-ish in certain ways, but it advertises a lot of different features
⏹️ ▶️ Marco and compatibilities and everything. I have found Orion is promising for the future, but right now
⏹️ ▶️ Marco it’s very beta. It crashes a lot, a lot of sites don’t work on it, a lot of functionality doesn’t
⏹️ ▶️ Marco work on it. And again, it’s similar to my maestro thing with Dropbox. It’s like maybe 98% of
⏹️ ▶️ Marco stuff works on it, but that last 2% is driving me nuts. And when my browser crashes once
⏹️ ▶️ Marco a week, that’s too much even though that’s all that’s you that’s a small percentage of the time but that’s that’s too much
⏹️ ▶️ Marco so Orion I I’ve used for a while as this browser I’m I’ve now quit it
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I have now just installed stupid chrome
⏹️ ▶️ Marco so now I have the actual Dropbox app an actual chrome
⏹️ ▶️ John oh for your for your things that you listed of why you had alternate browsers have you tried Safari profiles
⏹️ ▶️ Marco No, I didn’t because one of the main reasons why is that I actually do want
⏹️ ▶️ Marco a Chrome-based browser installed because over time it seems like Safari’s
⏹️ ▶️ Marco compatibility with the web is actually getting worse. Like I think it peaked and then as
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Google has pushed a lot of like, you know, app-like native functionality to try to say, look,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco we’re going to tell you what we want to undermine the App Store and app has
⏹️ ▶️ Marco approach. I mean, like we’re going to do what we want and we’re going to call it a standard. And then
⏹️ ▶️ Marco people will say Apple’s not following standards like standards are such BS. It’s always
⏹️ ▶️ Marco political. It’s always what one company wants. Like there’s so much BS and marketing and pressuring
⏹️ ▶️ Marco behind quote standards because like who decides what’s a standard like it’s always
⏹️ ▶️ Marco some it’s always weird and pressuring like that.
⏹️ ▶️ John We three see Apple as a member as well. But all the reasons you find sites that don’t work in Safari has nothing
⏹️ ▶️ John to do with standards, has everything to do with what you just said. Developers are only testing Chrome. Like they’re relying on
⏹️ ▶️ John some quirk or bug or legacy behavior that only exists in Chrome
⏹️ ▶️ John and is not compliant with any particular standard. Even if the standard says like this behavior is undefined, but Chrome behaves
⏹️ ▶️ John in a certain way, if you only test in Chrome, your site will only work in Chrome because if you rely on that
⏹️ ▶️ John undefined behavior. And so it’s kind of like Safari has an uphill battle here because of their smaller market
⏹️ ▶️ John share. They have to figure out why doesn’t this site work in Safari and what weird quirk of Chrome
⏹️ ▶️ John like it’s not like they’re doing it Nefariously, they’re just like what we only testing Chrome is the only browser that matters drives me nuts
⏹️ ▶️ John too, but that’s the reality
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah And also like you know I know Safari is doing a lot of things now with you know with privacy
⏹️ ▶️ Marco in mind to block certain behaviors or limit certain behaviors or filter Certain, you know
⏹️ ▶️ Marco sites or cookies or trackers or whatever and that’s great as my main browser when I’m just like reading the web
⏹️ ▶️ Marco but that does mean stuff’s gonna break. I also, I like to use ad blocking extensions in Safari,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco but even when I disable those, when certain functionality breaks, a lot of websites seem to be breaking in
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Safari on certain functionality now. And I haven’t seen this for a long
⏹️ ▶️ Marco time, I hadn’t seen this for a decade, but just in the last year, I’m really seeing a lot of stuff
⏹️ ▶️ Marco break on Safari. And it’s to the point now where it’s like, my second browser should just be
⏹️ ▶️ Marco stupid Chrome, because I know no matter what, If something doesn’t work in Safari,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I know I can go over to Chrome. Not Brave, not Firefox, not Orion. If it’s Chrome,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I know it will work. So, I’m back to stupid Chrome as my second browser. Still
⏹️ ▶️ Marco not my first. I really don’t like it on a number of levels, but, and I’m certainly
⏹️ ▶️ Marco a Google skeptic in a lot of ways, so I like to keep some distance from Google, but here I am, I
⏹️ ▶️ John Look at you, running official Dropbox, running Chrome as your second browser, so then you’d be on an Intel Mac like me.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I wouldn’t hold your breath on that one.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey All right. So I have some follow up about this. First of all, do you have a Synology that
⏹️ ▶️ Casey you use anymore or not really? Do you have one that you’re using at this time or no?
⏹️ ▶️ Marco No. My last Synology, I got that little 4-bay cheapo one
⏹️ ▶️ Marco and it was a bad experience. Like it was just unreliable. It crashed and broke a lot
⏹️ ▶️ Marco and needed to be rebooted all the time. And I was just like, you know what, this is stupid. This is not. I
⏹️ ▶️ Marco have one of the new M4 Mac mini’s, I got like the base model, just plus 10 gig ethernet.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco And that’s now my home file server and runs a few accessory tasks in the house.
⏹️ ▶️ John As discussed on previous episodes, Casey.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Yeah, well, and that’s why I thought that he didn’t have a Synology anymore.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey But the reason I ask is I recently posted on my website about how
⏹️ ▶️ Casey you can excise Dropbox from your life if you do have a Synology in your world,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey but that’s not applicable to you.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Well, and by the way, the reason I didn’t do all that stuff, first of all, yeah, even when I had a Synology, I didn’t do
⏹️ ▶️ Marco that because, like, to me, it’s adding so many potential points of failure. It’s like, we can replace
⏹️ ▶️ Marco the Dropbox app with this Rube Goldberg machine over here if you have this thing and
⏹️ ▶️ Marco you install this thing on it and this other package, you know, connect this to this. And I was like, I could do that. I’m glad you
⏹️ ▶️ Marco do it. I’m glad it works for you most of the time. I know
⏹️ ▶️ Casey all the time. It always works.
⏹️ ▶️ John Occasionally, Mark will say, Hey, where’s your file?
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Yeah, that’s because I’m an idiot and forget to upload it. That has nothing to forget to put in the right folder. That has nothing to do with
⏹️ ▶️ Casey the Dropbox Rube Goldberg machine.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco All right, that’s okay. Fair. But yeah, I maybe I blame your Rube Goldberg box
⏹️ ▶️ Marco for, you know, too much. But anyway, more complexity is not what I’m going for.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco, Casey like, all right. And that’s also fair.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey I just, the last time I used the Dropbox app, it was such a pile of trash. Now admittedly, this was
⏹️ ▶️ Casey years ago, and it was such a pile of trash that I could not stand it anymore. And it was
⏹️ ▶️ Casey turning into Electron, where it was like, hey, have we told you about Workchat or whatever the, not Electron, I’m sorry, Evernote.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey It was turning into Evernote, where it was constantly like pimping other things that it wanted you to use, and oh god, I just
⏹️ ▶️ Casey hated every moment of it. If it works for you, that’s fine. It does not work for me anymore.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I mean, so what I’m hoping, like, because you’re right, like, it is, it is like growth hacked out the butt. It
⏹️ ▶️ Marco is so annoying. Dropbox, it’s one of those, they’re just shamelessly just shoving
⏹️ ▶️ Marco crap in your face all the time. Whenever you open up the window on your Mac or if
⏹️ ▶️ Marco you go to, God forbid, the Dropbox website, it just shoves crap and promos
⏹️ ▶️ Marco and hooks at you for just, hey, give us more, give us more, hey, do more with us, give us more, upgrade,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco and I pay for it. So what I need Dropbox to be
⏹️ ▶️ Marco is I’m gonna give you some money every year and you’re going to sync my files
⏹️ ▶️ Marco and that’s it. That’s all I want. That’s what the money’s for. So reference
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Casey. But yeah, but I’m hoping that by having installed the app and
⏹️ ▶️ Marco having paid them the money, if I never actually need to open the Dropbox window and I never have
⏹️ ▶️ Marco to actually open the Dropbox website, I’m hoping this will work the way I need it to, which is
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I gave you the money, you think my files and you don’t bother me. We’ll see.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey I mean, that’s fair. And again, like it does not, that is not something I want in my life. And I’m willing to trade some
⏹️ ▶️ Casey complexity to not have to deal with that. Your, your perspective is totally reasonable. And in fact,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey probably the smarter one, if I’m honest with myself. Uh, the other piece of follow-up, just to get ahead of the 8,000 emails
⏹️ ▶️ Casey we are going to get. Have you tried the arc browser? Do you want to try the arc browser? And if
⏹️ ▶️ Casey you did, why aren’t you using it? I have tried it, although admittedly not recently. It wasn’t for
⏹️ ▶️ Casey me. it was too different and I didn’t think that it was doing things that I wanted in my life,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey but the ARC people are going to come for you if you don’t at least
⏹️ ▶️ Casey acknowledge the existence of ARC.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I think opera’s better.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey I can’t tell if you’re messing with me or not.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco No, does opera still exist? It does. I use that joke so many times. Yeah,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco the opera person’s going to get really mad at me. You know, ARC, I’ve heard of ARC.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I’ve never, I haven’t checked it out because what everyone says is a version of what you just said, which is like,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco this is a really interesting idea. It’s like all the when all the reviews came out of the palm pre,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco you know, but it’s going back away a ways, but like all the reviews of the palm pre were like,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco this is really interesting and no one used it like no one bought it. No one said I am
⏹️ ▶️ Marco personally switching to the palm pre, you know, maybe maybe Christina Warren might have, but like oh no one
⏹️ ▶️ Marco else did and so like it there’s a lot of a lot of things come out in tech where it’s like
⏹️ ▶️ Marco is interesting. This is a new fresh take on something and the reviews are all like, yeah, this is interesting.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I’ve done it like this is this is an interesting new way to do something. But when it comes to like actually
⏹️ ▶️ Marco real life use like, oh, actually, no, I want the normal way, please. Like this is it’s too weird or it doesn’t it has too many
⏹️ ▶️ Marco downsides or quirks or edge cases. And there’s a reason the normal way is the normal way. And
⏹️ ▶️ John wasn’t it wasn’t the palm pre the one that WebOS first launched on? Yes. Also,
⏹️ ▶️ John I what the palm pre put out in many ways became the normal way. I think the reason people didn’t use the Palm Pre is
⏹️ ▶️ John the combination of ingredients did not make for a satisfying meal, uh, to talk to
⏹️ ▶️ John that analogy a little bit, but many of the software and interface innovations on the Palm
⏹️ ▶️ John Pre eventually became the normal ways that phones work. So I think that’s, that’s
⏹️ ▶️ John kind of articles make a lot of sense. So there’s like, there’s a lot of good ideas here, but in the end, does this coalesce
⏹️ ▶️ John into a product that I think, you know, was going to replace whatever my current phone was, and that didn’t
⏹️ ▶️ John work out for Palm, but their ideas were good there.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yes, but it was like, you know, similar to like using a third party browser. It’s like, well, there’s a whole ecosystem around
⏹️ ▶️ Marco this. So with Palm, you know, one of the problems was the Palm Pre, you know, it had it had a bunch of good ideas,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco but it was like, is it better than the iPhone? And I think Blackberry was still big at the time. Like, is it better than the iPhone and Blackberry? No,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco like, oh, there’s some good ideas. Everyone’s like, well, I hope I hope the iPhone takes some of these ideas and over time it did.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco But no one was like, these ideas are so good, that I’m willing to forego the other, like
⏹️ ▶️ Marco the ecosystem, the inertia, the developer support. See also like Windows Phone 8. Windows Phone 8
⏹️ ▶️ Marco had a bunch of interesting ideas, some of which were pretty good. But, and that also got a bunch of the
⏹️ ▶️ Marco same reviews of like, this is really interesting, there’s some really good ideas here. But you check with those
⏹️ ▶️ Marco reviewers, did you actually buy a Windows 8 phone and use it full-time? Oh no, of course not.
⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco Yeah, well the
⏹️ ▶️ John ARC equivalent of that is there may be good ideas in ARC, but in the end if what you want is a browser that you know the sites will work
⏹️ ▶️ John in, and that’s where you end up at the browser that has the most market share, which back in the day was IE.
⏹️ ▶️ John So how do you feel about that? But today is Chrome.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco There are only so many battles I’m willing to fight at once. And like, when you go off
⏹️ ▶️ Marco the beaten path, when you say I’m not gonna use the biggest choice or the most popular choice
⏹️ ▶️ Marco or the official app for something, you’re oftentimes signing up for some degree of friction
⏹️ ▶️ Marco by doing that. You’re saying, well, yes, it’s not gonna quite work all the same way or certain
⏹️ ▶️ Marco things might be worse in order for me to get the better behavior I’m looking for with this other alternative or whatever. There’s always trade-offs
⏹️ ▶️ Marco and friction involved in that. That might be worth it for you in certain ways. Like I do certain things the hard way, the
⏹️ ▶️ Marco weird way, or the off the beaten pathway, but I can’t do everything that way. So I will
⏹️ ▶️ Marco have the areas that I care a lot about, like tweaking and having special certain ways, and I’m willing to
⏹️ ▶️ Marco tolerate the shortcomings or the missing features or the occasional friction that comes from those things.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco But the web browser, I just got tired of maintaining that battle. You know, I just want a web browser that
⏹️ ▶️ Marco loads web pages and they work reliably.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Man, that Dropbox thing is killing me.
ATP Store
⏹️ ▶️ Casey You know, what has also been killing me is not having a limited time merch sale
⏹️ ▶️ Casey going on, but guess what, baby?
⏹️ ▶️ Casey I thank you. It is merch time. So John, why don’t you take us on a tour of the storefront
⏹️ ▶️ Casey and let us know what’s available, please.
⏹️ ▶️ John This is our annual WWDC sale, which we usually around the same time we
⏹️ ▶️ John used to try to get these on sale so that they could be manufactured and delivered to you so you could wear them to
⏹️ ▶️ John WWDC where you’d see all the other nerds. But but now so few people get to go to WWC that’s not really a factor, but we still want it to be
⏹️ ▶️ John early enough that if on the off chance that you did want to wear one of these WWC, there is a chance that
⏹️ ▶️ John you could order it, receive it, and then wear it to California. Anyway, this is the
⏹️ ▶️ John crop of products we have for you this year. So to start, we have two new
⏹️ ▶️ John M-series shirts. It occurred to me when I was making these that we never actually did a
⏹️ ▶️ John shirt for the M2 Ultra. I don’t know if it was just not exciting enough or it fell
⏹️ ▶️ John when it was introduced, fell between sales. And by the time we had a sale, it seemed like it was old news, but you know
⏹️ ▶️ John what’s not all news? The M3 Ultra. That’s very recent news. And we’ve
⏹️ ▶️ John got an M3 Ultra shirt. It sounds like old news. It does, but that’s part of
⏹️ ▶️ John the excitement. We have an M3 Ultra shirt. Now, if you wear an M3 Ultra shirt, people might wonder, is
⏹️ ▶️ John he wearing that ironically? And like, maybe you are, but maybe you’re not because it is
⏹️ ▶️ John Apple’s most powerful chip. Like there’s no one that’s better than it, but the number is lower
⏹️ ▶️ John than the other chips and the M4 Max does beat it
⏹️ ▶️ John lot of things, including single thread, but not even, even in other situations, the M4 Max comes real close. But anyway,
⏹️ ▶️ John it is the biggest and baddest chip. So we have an M3 Ultra shirt for you. Again, no chip design on
⏹️ ▶️ John the back, just a regular M3 Ultra. And we also have, I have to fix the image on our website. I know it’s wrong, I’ll fix it
⏹️ ▶️ John after the show. Anyway, we also have, in the tradition of the M1 Ultra, which is
⏹️ ▶️ John the only other Ultra shirt that we did, we have the M3 shirt where instead of saying M3 with
⏹️ ▶️ John ultra underneath it, it recognizes the fact that the M3 Ultra, like the M1 Ultra is made of
⏹️ ▶️ John two max chips stuck together with the silicon interposer thing, right?
⏹️ ▶️ John And last time we did that, we had like, instead of ultra, it said max, and then it had rotated,
⏹️ ▶️ John you know, 180 degrees or whatever max stuck end to end to it. So the other max is upside
⏹️ ▶️ John down. But this time it doesn’t say max because the M3 Ultra isn’t really
⏹️ ▶️ John two M3 Maxes stuck together, it’s two M3 Max-ish chips
⏹️ ▶️ John stuck together because they have Thunderbolt 5 and who knows what other changes. They have the Interposer and the actual M3
⏹️ ▶️ John Max doesn’t have one. Or, I see it, I can’t do it. What was that? I already forgot the thing. The die-to-die
⏹️ ▶️ John interconnect D2D. Anyway, sorry, nomenclature experts. It’s impossible for me not to say
⏹️ ▶️ John Interposer. In fact, the name of this product is M3 Ultra Interposer. So anyway, this is the joke
⏹️ ▶️ John M3 shirt. It says M3 Max question mark, and then flipped over
⏹️ ▶️ John Max question mark. Anyway, you’ll see the design. It’s basically the same joke as we did with the M1 Ultra, only now with a question
⏹️ ▶️ John mark, because it is two things stuck together, neither of which was ever sold individually.
⏹️ ▶️ John So there you go. Because this is WWDC and because I’m me,
⏹️ ▶️ John we are offering the Mac Pro Believe shirt again. This is the shirt we offered, I think like two years ago, when
⏹️ ▶️ John we were hoping for the Mac Pro to come back, and it came back and had an M2 alternate, and it was just a gigantic Mac studio
⏹️ ▶️ John with slots. What’s gonna happen this year? Probably a giant Mac studio with slots that has an M3 alternate
⏹️ ▶️ John that costs $7,000 or whatever. That’ll be sad, which means we have to keep wearing this shirt.
⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco John still believes.
⏹️ ▶️ John I’m gonna keep pushing this shirt. If I were going to WWDC, which I almost certainly am not
⏹️ ▶️ John because of conflicts with my daughter’s senior prom and her graduation, I would wear this shirt.
⏹️ ▶️ John when I went to WWDC last year, I wore this shirt. It didn’t work last year, but maybe we just need more
⏹️ ▶️ John people to wear the shirt. So if you bought this shirt already, please wear it to WWDC. And if you would like to buy one of these shirts, we have it available.
⏹️ ▶️ John It’s also available in long sleeve sweatshirt. Most of our things are now available in like every possible
⏹️ ▶️ John thing. So you don’t want a T-shirt, but you want a long sleeve T-shirt or a crew neck sweatshirt or a tank top.
⏹️ ▶️ John Most of these products are available in all those things. So we’ve got the Mac Pro Believe shirt with a light and dark ink with a bunch
⏹️ ▶️ John of different colors. Our returning product, cause usually I like to bring like old products back from the Disney vault,
⏹️ ▶️ John so to speak. We’ve got the Pro Max Triumph shirt, which I think is one of our better looking shirts
⏹️ ▶️ John for people who have no idea what the shirt is about. Cause it’s just a bunch of like solid shapes
⏹️ ▶️ John in the Apple six colors and then accidental tech podcasts underneath it.
⏹️ ▶️ John So people have no idea what it is. They can just read the words and go, oh, it’s about a podcast, I guess. Good job. And if
⏹️ ▶️ John they don’t know what all those shapes are on the top of it, it just looks like a nice design. From a distance, it might seem like,
⏹️ ▶️ John oh, you have a bunch of colors, but in fact, those are the silhouettes of a bunch of Apple’s most powerful Macs starting with
⏹️ ▶️ John the original Mac, or maybe it’s the SE30. It’s whatever you want it to be. The Mac 2, the G3 Blue and
⏹️ ▶️ John White Tower, the original cheese grater, the trash can, and today’s Mac Pro.
⏹️ ▶️ John So those two shirts coming back, we’ve got that in white and black. We’ve got our performance shirt back, which is the shirt that you sweat
⏹️ ▶️ John in. We introduced a couple of new colors for that last
⏹️ ▶️ John What is this made out of? It’s like, Casey, you’re the sweaty shirt expert.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey It’s like Under Armour is like the standard issue trade brand for this. You know, it’s the Kleenex
⏹️ ▶️ Casey of this category. But the idea is if you get the shirt wet, if you’re like sweaty or whatever, you can
⏹️ ▶️ Casey still pull it off of you unlike a regular cotton t-shirt where it’s like welded to your skin.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey This will actually come off of you. And I wear one of these shirts pretty much every
⏹️ ▶️ Casey afternoon when I work out. So I really genuinely like these shirts a lot.
⏹️ ▶️ John It’s workout season. So we’ve got our performance shirt. And then of course, we’ve got our regular ATP logo monochrome
⏹️ ▶️ John shirt. Listen to our Member special episode about our logo to learn the difference
⏹️ ▶️ John between our monochrome logo and our color logo They are different and of course We have a classic ATP shirt with
⏹️ ▶️ John the six color ATP logo on it also available in long-sleeve sweatshirt, blah blah blah
⏹️ ▶️ John Some news about the hoodie our beloved hoodie. So many of these hoodies have been purchased including by my
⏹️ ▶️ John own family Unfortunately, the hoodie that we’ve been selling for years and years
⏹️ ▶️ John is no longer made. So that’s a bummer. But the same company offers a
⏹️ ▶️ John slightly different model of hoodie and that’s what we’re selling. The differences are that the drawstring is no longer
⏹️ ▶️ John flat. Like if you’ve got one of these hoodies, you know, like the drawstring was kind of like a flat, like a big shoelace kind of thing, which I liked,
⏹️ ▶️ John but it’s unusual. The new one has a drawstring that is more rounded,
⏹️ ▶️ John more like a, I don’t know, like a normal hoodie drawstring. And there is no longer rayon in the fabric.
⏹️ ▶️ John We’ll try to put links in the show notes to the old model and the new model so you can compare if you care. They look very similar,
⏹️ ▶️ John but just be aware that if you have the existing hoodies, it’s no longer manufactured. Nothing we can do about
⏹️ ▶️ John it. We’ve got the ATP polo again, short sleeve, warm weather. It’s our
⏹️ ▶️ John fanciest piece of clothing we
⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco have. And the
⏹️ ▶️ John last time we sold this, we introduced a couple of new colors and those are available. We’ve still got ATP mugs. We’re still trying to sell through the
⏹️ ▶️ John mugs that we just ordered too much of last time. We’re hopefully with it will drain the remainder
⏹️ ▶️ John of the inventory if you want a mug You should order them soon ish because there aren’t a lot of them But it could
⏹️ ▶️ John be that we just keep selling these mugs forever because we bought too many So we’ll see how that goes. These are the white mugs
⏹️ ▶️ John with the like Cobalt they call it cobalt colored logo and inside. I think they look great
⏹️ ▶️ John Maybe the world doesn’t agree if we ever sell through these mugs We may sell mugs in a different color or we may take a long break
⏹️ ▶️ John from mugs because maybe you just don’t want mugs anymore Anyway, that’s there. And finally, we’ve got the ATP hat
⏹️ ▶️ John with the embroidered ATP logo on it, available in a couple of different colors. So there you go. That’s the ATP
⏹️ ▶️ John WWDC store for this year. Even if you’re not going to WWDC, check it out. Of course, if you
⏹️ ▶️ John are an ATP member, you get 15% off everything in the store. How do you
⏹️ ▶️ John do that? You go to your member page at ATP.fm. There will be a discount code for you. Copy and paste it into the
⏹️ ▶️ John checkout process. If you are a member and you’re logged in when you go to ATP.fm slash store,
⏹️ ▶️ John We will try to auto fill that discount code for you. But if the auto filling thing doesn’t work, just copy and paste it from
⏹️ ▶️ John your member page. This sale ends Sunday, April 27th. So as usual, we’ll have
⏹️ ▶️ John three episodes of the show to promote the sale. But just mark that date in your calendar before Casey starts
⏹️ ▶️ John nagging you about forgetting about it. That will definitely happen. Oh, absolutely. I think
⏹️ ▶️ John that covers it. Am I forgetting anything?
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I think that the challenge with mugs is that it’s not that nobody likes the mugs.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco It’s that you buy a mug and then it lasts a very long time.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John But then… People break them.
⏹️ ▶️ John We see this ad, people breaking it all the time and they say, hey, I just broke my mug. Can I get another one? And they got like one of the ones with
⏹️ ▶️ John the rainbow logo and they’ll be having sold those in years. It’s like, no, you should buy two. They break.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco But that’s the challenge is like the demand for a mug. It’s like you have a big spike when everyone buys their mug. Then
⏹️ ▶️ Marco you have nothing. It’s like it’s like people who buy iPads. It’s like I bought an iPad now. It’s fine. And it’s
⏹️ ▶️ Marco going to be fine for like seven years at least. And so like eventually,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco you know, you break your mug, but we haven’t sold them because there was no demand in the meantime, but
⏹️ ▶️ Marco when you break your mug, you have very high demand at that moment. Like no one ever says I dropped my hoodie,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco oh my God, I urgently need a new one, but the mugs, that happens.
⏹️ ▶️ John Yeah, we have some different product ideas for the mug. We sold a couple of different varieties
⏹️ ▶️ John of them and there are some interesting ideas of how we might mix it up a little bit and make them more interesting, but
⏹️ ▶️ John none of that is happening until we sell through the mugs that we already paid for. So, sorry, but I really like this mug
⏹️ ▶️ John though. I might buy more of them because I break mugs too. These mugs are actually very popular in our house,
⏹️ ▶️ John but we’ve still got them in stock. So if you want them, come and get them.
(Quick!) Vision Pro corner
⏹️ ▶️ Casey All right, let’s do some follow up. I promise I’ll make this super quick. I wanted to bring back
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Vision Pro Corner. It will not be every week despite what it seems, but there’s a little bit more news. First of all,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey a friend of mine pointed out to me the Voices of VR podcast, episode 1557. I
⏹️ ▶️ Casey have no idea how it’s that high, but I guess they’ve been going forever. Do
⏹️ ▶️ Marco, Casey simultaneously?
⏹️ ▶️ Casey I don’t know. I have no idea. But this was an interview with Ant something or other who was the
⏹️ ▶️ Casey star of the Apple immersive video, uh, the adventure immersive video on ice
⏹️ ▶️ Casey diving or ice swimming or whatever. Um, this was a little less than an hour and I found it fascinating
⏹️ ▶️ Casey because you, you, the, the star of the video takes you through like, when did he
⏹️ ▶️ Casey know it was for the vision pro? When was this recorded? How did they record it to the degree that somebody who was not a
⏹️ ▶️ Casey film professional, uh, understands and knows how to talk about such things. I, for me,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey it was absolutely worth my time. I thought it was a great episode of a podcast that I don’t typically listen to.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Um, so it’s worth checking out. I’ll put a link in the show notes. Additionally, there’s a new series on, uh,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Apple, you know, vision pro on Apple TV plus or whatever. I don’t even know how they classify it, but suffice
⏹️ ▶️ Casey to say, you know, there’s adventure, there’s, um, shoot, I forget what the other ones are called,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey but I’m drawing a blank now, but a nature, I think is one of them, but there’s a new one called, uh,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey VIP. And this is where they’re, I guess, going to take you through sports stadiums. And so there’s
⏹️ ▶️ Casey a 10 to 15 minute, I think it’s like 13 minute video on Yankee stadium. I’m not much of a baseball
⏹️ ▶️ Casey person, but again, really cool stuff. It is a content snack, which I know is what Marco was about to say, and he’s right,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey but it’s cool. And if you have one, it’s worth your time. There, see? Take it easy. **
Feedback on Feedback
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Now, we got some feedback on feedback. Matthew Fenselow writes, the e2b crew
⏹️ ▶️ Casey has often complained about the lack of communication from Apple when they file a bug report feedback. On the other hand, you guys correctly
⏹️ ▶️ Casey point out that as indie developers, you can’t possibly reply to individual bug reports, but that you find the reports useful
⏹️ ▶️ Casey in aggregate to guide software improvement. iOS has like 1.5 billion users. Apple employs a total of 164,000
⏹️ ▶️ Casey people. Even if 1% of Apple employees worked in iOS support, which would be a crazy
⏹️ ▶️ Casey amount, the customer support employee ratio would be a million to one. I have to assume if you guys had a million paying
⏹️ ▶️ Casey users, would have just bought John on non-Honda car for fun by now. Yes, I would have bought
⏹️ ▶️ Casey John a non-Honda car and he would refuse to drive it, even if it was a Ferrari. This is just
⏹️ ▶️ Casey one of many Apple software products. At that scale, it seems amazing to me that Apple responds to any bug
⏹️ ▶️ Casey reports from individuals rather than just taking a statistical approach. I would think just screening out the people
⏹️ ▶️ Casey who file bugs that their iPhone is haunted or controlled by aliens is a Herculean effort. I never
⏹️ ▶️ Casey can get that out right. Anyways, to me, the obvious conclusion is that filing bug reports
⏹️ ▶️ Casey is useful because if Apple gets a hundred or a thousand similar reports, it may result in a fix, but the expectation
⏹️ ▶️ Casey that you would ever hear back is just not realistic. Before I move on, John, any thoughts about that?
⏹️ ▶️ John Yeah, this is kind of like the Fermi paradox type of thing for feedback
⏹️ ▶️ John in that I’m not so sure about your assumptions there before you start doing the math. Yeah,
⏹️ ▶️ John there are like 1.5 billion iOS users, but to clarify, and this is one of the reasons I put this in here.
⏹️ ▶️ John When we’re talking about this, we’re not talking about feedback from customers. Maybe that’s like
⏹️ ▶️ John not clear in our discussions. We’re talking about feedback from developers. Apple does have mechanisms for feedback from customers.
⏹️ ▶️ John It’s a different mechanism than the one we use as developers. It’s like a form on the webpage. You got anything
⏹️ ▶️ John to say about Apple stuff, you can put it there. I don’t know how they handle that. But what we’re talking about is essentially
⏹️ ▶️ John developer support. You are a developer, in most cases I would imagine a paying developer.
⏹️ ▶️ John there are way fewer than 1.5 billion of those.
⏹️ ▶️ John There’s millions, but not 1.5 billion. So suddenly your math is not as bad as it seems
⏹️ ▶️ John here. And the second thing is, of all the developers that you have, like those millions of developer accounts,
⏹️ ▶️ John how many of them are filing bugs? Now your ratio gets even lower. That’s why we’re saying
⏹️ ▶️ John that with the amount of money that Apple has and the amount of employees or whatever, we have higher expectations for responsiveness.
⏹️ ▶️ John It doesn’t mean that they’re going to have personal support for every single thing, but just sort
⏹️ ▶️ John of the basics we expect of automated systems where like when you do anything, having your customer support with like your cable company or whatever,
⏹️ ▶️ John like that you get a response and you get a ticket number and you can see your support
⏹️ ▶️ John requests being processed through the system and you know, things happen. That doesn’t, even that simple thing of like
⏹️ ▶️ John getting a number or whatever, and you do get a ticket thing if you like email the developer technical support, but Apple’s
⏹️ ▶️ John feedback system for developers is not like that. So I question the math here. Um, and again,
⏹️ ▶️ John the assumption that I think is missing in this is that. We’re not talking about random feedback
⏹️ ▶️ John from 1.5 billion developers. We’re talking about a very much smaller group of people
⏹️ ▶️ John who already pay Apple money. Uh, and as for 1% of Apple employees,
⏹️ ▶️ John uh, working in support, which would be a crazy amount. I don’t think that’s a crazy amount. If 1% of
⏹️ ▶️ John the company is doing support, I wonder if that, that, if they already have more than 1% of the employees
⏹️ ▶️ John doing support, if you count Apple retail employees, they almost certainly do. So anyway, math here I
⏹️ ▶️ John think is off, but I just wanted to clarify it’s not any random feedback from any Apple
⏹️ ▶️ John customer, it is feedback from usually paying Apple developers.
Indie support loads
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Anonymous writes, I wanted to push back a bit on the assertion that if you were making enough money to support yourself as an indie,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey you would get so much email that you wouldn’t be able to answer at all. The economics of games are probably different from utility apps, but
⏹️ ▶️ Casey I’m an indie developer making puzzle games. My apps are free to play, not scammy, and comfortably support a family of four.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey I answer every email I get because I typically only get one per day and most of them are answerable with stock responses.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Uh, I, I think John probably, and I don’t mean this to be dismissive, probably as the least
⏹️ ▶️ Casey users of any of us. I think I am in the middle and I think Marco was far and away more users than, than John
⏹️ ▶️ Casey or I probably combined. And I got to tell you, I feel like I get at least a
⏹️ ▶️ Casey few, at least a handful of emails a day and on a busy day I may get as many as 10. So
⏹️ ▶️ Casey yeah, I mean, I’m not saying this anonymous person’s experience isn’t what they claim it to be, but I feel like I get more email
⏹️ ▶️ John Games are very different. I feel like, like sort of the lower stakes apps where people either
⏹️ ▶️ John like, it’s not something they’re using for their work. And so if something goes wrong, it’s like pressing
⏹️ ▶️ John or it’s not complicated. Like games are for fun. And I’m not saying games don’t get support. Depending on the type
⏹️ ▶️ John of game you make, you may get a lot of support. But there are a genre of application
⏹️ ▶️ John where if you make a good self-contained game without like this complicated network component
⏹️ ▶️ John or any other part like you, it’s true of any app. The app you make does in some ways dictate
⏹️ ▶️ John the support load that you get. So it’s one of the things that was missed in our past conversation of this is like,
⏹️ ▶️ John well, what kind of thing are you making? And how does that influence your support burden?
⏹️ ▶️ John And I would imagine if you make a self-contained, non-server-based, non-multiplayer game with
⏹️ ▶️ John no user-uploaded content, like if you make like a solitaire game or something, once your bugs are all worked out and you have a
⏹️ ▶️ John fairly obvious user interface, I bet your support load really is low. But if you’re making something much more complicated,
⏹️ ▶️ John like say a podcast client that has to read arbitrary podcast feeds and people who are upset when their podcast doesn’t download and so on and
⏹️ ▶️ John so forth, maybe your support load is higher.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah, I mean, it varies. Basically, you’re like, you know, support inquiries
⏹️ ▶️ Marco per user per day is not fixed between different app types or different apps even.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco So, yeah, it depends a lot what your app is doing. And this is part of why,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco for instance, tools that work in specialized environments for professionals,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco any kind of production tool or specialized business tool, their
⏹️ ▶️ Marco ratio of how much support is needed per customer tends to be way higher than consumer stuff that we
⏹️ ▶️ Marco all make. And then of course, within consumer apps, you have all these different categories, as John was just saying. So
⏹️ ▶️ Marco like, I can tell you like I get, like on
⏹️ ▶️ Marco a slow day, I might get 15 support emails. On
⏹️ ▶️ Marco a busier day, it might be well more than that. Certainly
⏹️ ▶️ Marco after the rewrite launch last summer, I was getting over 100 a day. And the thing is,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco and by the way, it isn’t just email. If you also, people expect support everywhere.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco And they expect to be able to post in public. So like there’s
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Twitter or X, whatever. There’s Mastodon. There is, if you create an account on like Blue
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Sky or Threads. Anywhere that you try to create a presence,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco people will use that as a support channel. If you have any kind of
⏹️ ▶️ Marco forum or Discord or Slack, Reddit and Reddit, by the way, Reddit, like
⏹️ ▶️ Marco they’ll create one for you, whether you’re there or not. So there’s all these different channels you have to then add. And
⏹️ ▶️ Marco so suppose, suppose you have, you know, a few things trickling in every day from all the different channels,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco plus your 15 to, you know, 30 to 40 to 50, whatever emails in
⏹️ ▶️ Marco one good workday, maybe you can get through all those. Now, keep in mind that isn’t 15 emails saying
⏹️ ▶️ Marco you’re great or you suck. Some of them are that way. And those are easy. You read them, you delete them, you
⏹️ ▶️ Marco move on with your life. Maybe, you know, maybe you if you want to send like a canned, you know, text, text, expander kind
⏹️ ▶️ Marco of shortcut kind of response to, you know, to some of them, depending on what they are fine. But they aren’t
⏹️ ▶️ Marco all that simple. A lot of them are feature requests. So then you got to, okay, well, now you got to like, maybe catalog
⏹️ ▶️ Marco that or note that down somewhere or add a vote somewhere to a tally if you’re keeping some kind of system like that.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Maybe they’re actually reporting specific problems and specific bugs that you haven’t seen before. You can log that in
⏹️ ▶️ Marco that takes time. Maybe you have to try to work with them to to troubleshoot things or walk them through something. Maybe it’s an inquiry
⏹️ ▶️ Marco about some kind of business thing like wanting to buy ads, you know, in my case, or, you know, I need some help
⏹️ ▶️ Marco with my podcast being listed improperly in Overcast or whatever. Every one of those takes a different amount of time.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco And some of them, again, some of them are real quick, some of them are really not. Some of them can take away
⏹️ ▶️ Marco hours from your day because all of a sudden you discover, oh, this one, you know, image that this person used for their podcast
⏹️ ▶️ Marco artwork is breaking the resizing thing because it uses some weird JPEG tag or, you know, Like there’s
⏹️ ▶️ Marco all these different things like that that can happen with whatever your app is or somebody has like an odd behavior
⏹️ ▶️ Marco on their user account. You got to try to figure out why is this happening to them and that’s on a good workday.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco So suppose suppose that number for you is, you know, 30 emails a day or 30 inquiries
⏹️ ▶️ Marco or whatever per day. But the way that works though is those come
⏹️ ▶️ Marco in every day. You aren’t working
⏹️ ▶️ Marco every day. There are weekends. There are holidays. maybe you’re sick,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco maybe you’re working on the app and you’re not reading email all day. The problem
⏹️ ▶️ Marco is they accumulate. And so you might think, oh yeah, in a good day, I can
⏹️ ▶️ Marco get through 30 emails. Okay, great. But every day,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco those are going to start building up. And then you can’t
⏹️ ▶️ Marco give that amount of attention to all of them. Once you cross a threshold of
⏹️ ▶️ Marco whatever you can handle being a daily or accumulating thing. Once you cross that threshold,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco it starts piling and you fall behind and then what do you do? You have to start
⏹️ ▶️ Marco not responding to everything or giving things canned responses, which I hate. So I try to avoid doing that.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco But like support is a very, very difficult burden to
⏹️ ▶️ Marco do over time because it just never ends. You never get a weekend from support. You never
⏹️ ▶️ Marco get a spring break from support. You never, it never stops. So what
⏹️ ▶️ Marco sounds like a small amount, it can quickly accumulate when life gets in the way.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Yeah, it’s just, I, I do hear the argument about scale
⏹️ ▶️ Casey for Apple and scale even for us, but I don’t know. I mean, it’s just,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey I feel like. It, the, the amount of time it would take me to provide the support
⏹️ ▶️ Casey that I wish I could provide is astronomically more than I am capable or willing to
⏹️ ▶️ Casey give to that task and similarly the amount of money it would take to solve this problem with money by paying somebody else to do
⏹️ ▶️ Casey it is astronomically more than I can afford for this task. So I get what these people are saying
⏹️ ▶️ Marco And by the way, and on that front by the way, like the like just pay someone else to do it idea. One
⏹️ ▶️ Marco of the challenges that is like everything I just mentioned about like things that can take time and respond to emails, how many of those
⏹️ ▶️ Marco can somebody else do? Like if you are the programmer, if you’re the only programmer on the app, which most
⏹️ ▶️ Marco indies are, you have to be the one to address most of those things. So, you know, if you
⏹️ ▶️ Marco had another, a support person filtering through emails and maybe just escalating things to you that
⏹️ ▶️ Marco needed your attention, like that helps, you could argue that’s probably, that might be doable by an AI these days,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco um, but you know, that it helps to have that, but you’re still getting enough stuff kicked up to you
⏹️ ▶️ Marco every single day that like, you know, the support person can’t
⏹️ ▶️ Marco do that much. If some, if a problem somebody reports is non-obvious. You know, they can maybe help somebody reset
⏹️ ▶️ Marco their password or something, but like, if it’s something like, hey, there’s a bug with this artwork, as I said, or
⏹️ ▶️ Marco like, my user account is behaving weirdly because of some entry in it, like, that’s probably going to get kicked to you,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco no matter what. So having any kind of filtering or person in front of you,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco it helps in some ways, but but it doesn’t really help the overwhelming build up over
Apple appreciates our participation
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Vitor writes, it seems that someone inside Apple is feeling the bug reporting criticism.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey I just noticed this in my feedback assistant inbox. And we’ll put a link to the post or whatever it was
⏹️ ▶️ Casey in the show notes. But there are two images. One reads, updates released. Thank you for your participation.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey The final versions of these updates are now publicly posted and available through software update. And then
⏹️ ▶️ Casey a different image. We appreciate your participation. You have helped contribute to the overall quality of our products.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey And many issues have been addressed as a result of your efforts. realize that testing may
⏹️ ▶️ Casey have involved a great deal of time on your part to provide feedback, submit follow-up information and reinstall software along with your daily
⏹️ ▶️ Casey work. Thank you for your dedication.
⏹️ ▶️ John That’s nice. Yeah. This is actually just one big image. It was saying like, Hey, new
⏹️ ▶️ John the OS is around. I just trying to trim out that part, but
⏹️ ▶️ John part of addressing, uh, this gap between, uh, what developers
⏹️ ▶️ John want out of, uh, processing feedback from Apple and what Apple does is in fact
⏹️ ▶️ John what we’re seeing here. You may look at this and saying like, Oh, Apple can say all they want, but their words don’t mean anything and I’m still angry
⏹️ ▶️ John and blah, blah, blah. But this little passage here at the bottom of like, oh, here’s the new betas, by the way, this little paragraph
⏹️ ▶️ John of saying like, we understand that it is work for you to do these things. Thank you.
⏹️ ▶️ John That is actually part of the solution. It sounds like it’s not. It sounds like I wish they wouldn’t say these nice things,
⏹️ ▶️ John which they would just do it. But saying this, acknowledging it, communicating in a more
⏹️ ▶️ John human way with developers actually is an essential part of a solution
⏹️ ▶️ John to this problem. It’s not the solution to this problem. You have to do things. You have to actually do stuff
⏹️ ▶️ John as well. But I’m not gonna turn up my nose at this. I’m gonna say, that’s a good,
⏹️ ▶️ John and for Apple to like acknowledge that we exist and that providing this feedback
⏹️ ▶️ John is work and maybe even like with a little detail, like, oh, you gotta reinstall the software and it’s
⏹️ ▶️ John annoying and you gotta like, like acknowledging how difficult it is for us to navigate
⏹️ ▶️ John their system or whatever. It’s just one tiny baby step towards, you know, an actual
⏹️ ▶️ John sort of, I don’t know, like a more upfront acknowledgement of the problems and
⏹️ ▶️ John then maybe even imagine that’s solving the problem. So I am not feeling cynical
⏹️ ▶️ John today about this and I want to congratulate whoever at Apple somehow snuck through this somewhat human
⏹️ ▶️ John paragraph of text to the developers.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah, again, as Ron said, it’s not solving the entire problem, but it helps. You know,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco the challenge that Apple has with feedback and developers is that we feel like we are
⏹️ ▶️ Marco unappreciated and that they are wasting our time and they don’t listen to us or they don’t respect the time we put into things.
⏹️ ▶️ John And there’s no other, like, there’s no person we can connect with because Apple like hides the people
⏹️ ▶️ John and just provides this sort of like impersonal face to everybody and that is not satisfying.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah, and so if they’re showing signs of like, okay, you know what, we actually care about you.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Actions speak louder than words, but words help a little bit, you know, the actions
⏹️ ▶️ John will speak louder. They’re an essential part because we want them to acknowledge the reality that we see before
⏹️ ▶️ John us. Like with them sort of just stonewalling and just putting a happy face on everything just makes us angrier, you know what I mean? Like you
⏹️ ▶️ John feel even more ignored. So this is actually an essential part of sort of healing this divide.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah, and let’s see the actions next, but this is a good start.
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“Solarium” iOS redesign
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Apple’s big OS redesign. Uh, Mark Gurman has said that Solarium is the code name
⏹️ ▶️ Casey for the iOS 19 and MacOS 16 redesigns, which explains a lot about what’s to come.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey John, you seem to have done some research on Solariums on behalf of all of us. Tell me about them.
⏹️ ▶️ John Uh, I mean, I don’t know if everyone knows what a Solarium is, so I was just, uh, I was going to put a definition
⏹️ ▶️ John here. It’s just like a sunroom. If you know what a sunroom is, if you’re in the U S uh, the definition that I got off the web was a room fitted with
⏹️ ▶️ John extensive areas of glass to admit sunlight. It’s a sunroom.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco If you’re on Long Island, by the way, houses seem to come with these, and they are all illegal.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Like literally every house that we saw contained an
⏹️ ▶️ Marco illegally built, like without a building permit, kind of sunroom. Every single one.
⏹️ ▶️ John Anyway, there’s a second definition, which I thought was fun, which is a room equipped with sunlamps or tanning
⏹️ ▶️ John beds that can be used to acquire an artificial suntan. I’m hoping that’s not the definition that Apple
⏹️ ▶️ John is going with for their code name, but rather they were going with the room filled with glass, which makes some
⏹️ ▶️ John kind of sense. So there you go. A code name that backs up the discussions of the new look. Steven
⏹️ ▶️ Casey McLaughlin Well, there you go. And then we have a video from FrontPageTech,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey which does a bunch of really impressive looking mockups of how they
⏹️ ▶️ Casey believe iOS 19 to look based on, I guess, their team has seen or used builds
⏹️ ▶️ Casey of iOS 19 and then they re-implement what they’ve seen in order to protect, you know,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey their, their sources and whatnot. It’s very well done. I mean, it’s not a hundred percent pixel for pixel perfect, but it’s darn
⏹️ ▶️ John Yeah. This was a, this video was kind of a clap back as the kids say to Mark Gurman saying, Oh, the
⏹️ ▶️ John John Prosser and front page tech, they don’t know anything. What they, they video they show, that’s not actually what it looks
⏹️ ▶️ John like as a front page tech was like, Oh yeah, well actually we’ve seen a new build and we’ve seen more parts of the OS and here
⏹️ ▶️ John it is. and the whole front page tech thing, which I think is actually fairly clever, is don’t show
⏹️ ▶️ John your inside information that you have. Look at what either someone has shown you or screenshots
⏹️ ▶️ John they’ve sent you or something you’ve seen on a dev build on your own device or whatever, which by the way, you probably shouldn’t admit
⏹️ ▶️ John that you have, but anyway, don’t actually show that. Instead, look at
⏹️ ▶️ John it and then have artists essentially recreate it, kind of like a courtroom sketch or something where you can’t have cameras
⏹️ ▶️ John in the courtroom. So that’s what they’ve done. And so everything in this video is not the real iOS 19. It
⏹️ ▶️ John is an artist’s reproduction of a build,
⏹️ ▶️ John supposedly a build of iOS 19 they have. And this video has way more than the old one because
⏹️ ▶️ John the old one was like, here’s the new camera app with the glassy stuff and everything, and we talked about it a while ago. This shows more of the
⏹️ ▶️ John OS and it has a couple of interesting tidbits. So first is the little, the
⏹️ ▶️ John glassy like things they were showing in the camera app. This shows them in more places, for example,
⏹️ ▶️ John lock screen when you’ve got the little flashlight thing and the camera button. Those are kind of like glassy
⏹️ ▶️ John with a supposed shimmer that moves around the edges kind of like the old, I still don’t know if iOS currently
⏹️ ▶️ John does this, remember the old parallax thing where you tilt your phone and the desktop background would shift
⏹️ ▶️ John to try to make it look like it’s it’s like embedded in the screen? Well this has a shine that moves around
⏹️ ▶️ John the rim of the round buttons on the lock screen to make them look shiny so they look shiny and glassy with like a
⏹️ ▶️ John beveled edge or something. But the real the real important thing here is you’ll see in the video
⏹️ ▶️ John if you watch the whole thing talking about oh everyone when we said it was going to look like a vision OS everyone said do you mean it’s going to have
⏹️ ▶️ John round icons we discussed that on the show and we discussed that original video and they said well the build we saw back
⏹️ ▶️ John then didn’t have rounded icons so we didn’t say that it did but apparently this current build they’re
⏹️ ▶️ John using has not circular icons but
⏹️ ▶️ John icons where where the radius, the corner radius is increased
⏹️ ▶️ John over what it currently is. And to be clear, the current icons are not squares with with quarter circles stuck on
⏹️ ▶️ John the edges. They’re squircles, which is a more complicated mathematical shape that blends the curve more seamlessly into the
⏹️ ▶️ John flat parts. Anyway, in their video, they show icons that are
⏹️ ▶️ John basically more rounded, but still not circular, which is like,
⏹️ ▶️ John why? All right, again, this is we don’t know if this is true. We don’t know if this is just
⏹️ ▶️ John a dev build with a thing that isn’t going to ship. We don’t know anything about this, but please watch the video if
⏹️ ▶️ John you would like to see how would iOS look if the corners on the icons had maybe a radius
⏹️ ▶️ John that was like twice as round. So they’re almost circles, but not quite
⏹️ ▶️ John answer bad. Think about how that would affect every icon that
⏹️ ▶️ John was not made by Apple and had a year’s notice about this. How do you feel about more of the corners of your icon being
⏹️ ▶️ John cut off? I don’t know if that’s gonna ship, but I’m just like, I look at this and I just shake my head
⏹️ ▶️ John and it’s like, this, okay. Like I’m almost at the point where I’m like, you know what, at least round icons
⏹️ ▶️ John would be a big fresh change and there would be this big dividing line. Remember before iOS had round icons and after,
⏹️ ▶️ John right? But this is like not doing either. It’s let’s cause
⏹️ ▶️ John immense disruption, but still not be distinct enough that most people will even notice, but it will just
⏹️ ▶️ John drive developers up a wall as they have to redesign all their icons to handle a little bit more of the corners being cut off.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco There’s a couple of things here to note. First of all, yes, this is a rumor
⏹️ ▶️ Marco and a mock-up. So it’s like a game of telephone based on probably already kind of sketchy
⏹️ ▶️ Marco and probably unreliable information to begin with.
⏹️ ▶️ John In builds of the OS where this feature is not prominent and maybe was hidden on purpose or maybe was hidden because it’s not
⏹️ ▶️ John a thing that they’re doing, like if people don’t know, in dev builds of operating systems there are many different features that may or
⏹️ ▶️ John may not ship that are, some are enabled, some are not enabled, and you can turn them on. It’s
⏹️ ▶️ John so many layers of unreliability in here. So please take all this with huge grains of salt.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah. And I do, I love the idea of like two different rumor leakers like
⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John themselves. Like,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco no, your unreliable information is wrong. No, your unreliable information is wrong. They’re both
⏹️ ▶️ Marco not super reliable, but they both get their things right sometimes. We’ll see after it comes out, who was doing
⏹️ ▶️ Marco the gloating video about all the stuff they got right.
⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco Right, exactly.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco But as observers and fans here, you can’t
⏹️ ▶️ Marco really judge any details. What seems to be very likely to be true
⏹️ ▶️ Marco is there is going to be updated designs of some of the system components
⏹️ ▶️ Marco this fall. But we don’t know how deeply that goes. And so I’m actually, when I see
⏹️ ▶️ Marco the types of things they’re reporting, besides the new icon shape, which I think looks,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I’m going to assume that their recreation is very
⏹️ ▶️ Marco wrong, because that looks terrible.
⏹️ ▶️ John Well, you know. I mean, so here’s the thing. In their recreation, it seems like in their recreation
⏹️ ▶️ John they just took the existing icons and cut more off of the corners. And you would imagine if the new outline
⏹️ ▶️ John was actually a real thing, that the icons themselves would also be changed to accommodate the new outline, because Apple has,
⏹️ ▶️ John unlike the rest of us, Apple has advanced notice about this happening.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Right, but it’s… yeah, the way the mockup is in the video, it’s pretty bad. But,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco if you look at like, okay, what are they doing to the rest of the system? It looks like, you know,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco we’re still gonna have like, you know, tab bars, but they have different style. Um,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco we’re still gonna have, you know, like, certain things about it are like
⏹️ ▶️ Marco reskinned or slightly restyled versions of what we already know, but it still generally
⏹️ ▶️ Marco looks similar. and maybe that’s wrong again this is based on sketchy
⏹️ ▶️ Marco info through many games of telephone but so maybe it’s wrong but if this is
⏹️ ▶️ Marco the type of thing we’re seeing that’s maybe not what we think of when you think of like
⏹️ ▶️ Marco a whole system redesign we think of something like iOS 7 and that doesn’t seem like that’s what this
⏹️ ▶️ Marco is this seems like a bunch of visual tweaks and a new new component
⏹️ ▶️ Marco layout options that you can use like you know the that that floating bottom tab bar
⏹️ ▶️ Marco is probably going to be like one dot style modifier on Swift UI. It’s
⏹️ ▶️ Marco like, you know, your tab bar, you know, the bottom is like dot tab bar style, parentheses, dot grouped or whatever,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco you know, like it’ll have some kind of that’s like one style you can choose. Like that’s the way it looks not as if we’re
⏹️ ▶️ Marco reskinning everything forcibly. And
⏹️ ▶️ John by the way, on that on that floating tab bar, what does that floating tab bar remind you of?
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Well, it’s kind of vision, but it’s more iPad II. I
⏹️ ▶️ John don’t know. Don’t you remember when they redesigned Safari on iOS years ago, and there was the weird
⏹️ ▶️ John floaty bar at the bottom.
⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco Yes. Remember
⏹️ ▶️ John when they tried to do that? It
⏹️ ▶️ John Everybody said, nah, uh, uh, uh, here’s the thing about this bar. I really hope this mock-up is not a real thing, or
⏹️ ▶️ John if it is, I hope it is a style option that people don’t choose. You should watch the video to
⏹️ ▶️ John know what we’re talking about, but it’s like a floating tab bar at the bottom of the window that it’s like, it’s just like a lozenge
⏹️ ▶️ John that floats. So not only do you see the content above it, but you see a sliver of the content
⏹️ ▶️ John below it and along the sides, because the content is scrolling underneath it and it’s not like
⏹️ ▶️ John anchored to the bottom of the screen. I hate that on phones because that sliver of content I can see at the
⏹️ ▶️ John bottom does nothing for me except distract me. Like, and it makes the thing take up more room.
⏹️ ▶️ John That was the problem with the old iOS Safari redesign was like the bottom floating bar floated up and it’s like, give me those pixels
⏹️ ▶️ John back. Just shove the bar down to the bottom of the screen and let me use those pixels for content. Like, why
⏹️ ▶️ John are you making my screen shallower so I can see a sliver of the content as it slides behind the thing and
⏹️ ▶️ John rolls off the end of the screen. Hate it, hate it, hate it. I hope that’s not a real thing, but it’s clear that someone in Apple
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah, I mean, I think the entire era of Johnny Ive and Alan Dye design, like in
⏹️ ▶️ Marco the software side, has been like obsession with, let’s expand
⏹️ ▶️ Marco the content to every possible edge, even if that means we have to like put controls
⏹️ ▶️ Marco on top of the content, have the content flow around the controls. Like, it’s like, we’re gonna
⏹️ ▶️ Marco fill everything with background info basically. And in reality, that is often a
⏹️ ▶️ Marco bad design. Like in reality, that- Yeah, because
⏹️ ▶️ John you’re actually getting less content because that top part of the tab bar is where the usable content
⏹️ ▶️ John begins. And all that part on the sides and the bottom, that is useless to you. And it’s just empty space
⏹️ ▶️ John that’s taking away from the content.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Well, and it has a number of other effects too. Like it makes everything a lot more visually noisy. It’s,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I think it’s harder to kind of visually separate the controls from the content in certain ways, Usually
⏹️ ▶️ Marco because the content flows around the sides of it, you need more padding on the sides, which means the actual buttons in the tab
⏹️ ▶️ Marco bar cannot be as wide as they used to be, so you have smaller touch targets.
⏹️ ▶️ John They do like a drop shadow, like remember the bar casts a shadow on the content, so now you’re not even seeing this content
⏹️ ▶️ John as it actually is, you’re seeing the shadowed content in the bottom part.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah, or they make something translucent and you see a blurry color inspired by the content behind it which changes as you scroll.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco That also kind of sucks in a few ways. There’s a bunch of weird tricks they do to make
⏹️ ▶️ Marco these things that look really pretty in marketing shots, but kind of have worse usability in the
⏹️ ▶️ Marco real world. So that’s always been a tension with Apple’s design. They try to make things very pretty.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco They try to hide controls. They try to expand your content all
⏹️ ▶️ Marco the way to the edges. It’s all about you. We’re going to get out of the way of your content,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco and we’re going to take all the controls and get them out of your way too, so you can’t use them. There is some of that that, yes, that does
⏹️ ▶️ Marco end up looking very nice in marketing shots. So there is always this balance with Apple. versus
⏹️ ▶️ Marco function in their UI designs and sometimes computers. So
⏹️ ▶️ Marco we’ll see how this turns out. It never goes quite as far into function as
⏹️ ▶️ Marco nerds like us want it to. There’s always a little bit too much form
⏹️ ▶️ Marco prioritization in some of the UI choices, but that does make the system look nice overall. So
⏹️ ▶️ Marco you know, I see why it happens. I just we often go and go like a little
⏹️ ▶️ Marco bit too far in that direction and I hope they haven’t.
⏹️ ▶️ John One a couple of things to know about this that one of the screenshots that you’ll see in the video is control center.
⏹️ ▶️ John And this is a place where like a more rounded theme makes reasonable sense and freshens it up. Like for example, the big
⏹️ ▶️ John brightness and volume sliders and control center right now, they’re essentially rounded rectangles, big rounded
⏹️ ▶️ John rectangles that you can, you know, like the progress bar type thing to bring the volume up and down and brightness up and down.
⏹️ ▶️ John Now they are semicircular on the top of the caps or semi circular on the top and the bottom.
⏹️ ▶️ John So increase the corner radius until they meet in the middle.
⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco If you had round
⏹️ ▶️ John icons round top and bottom You know sliders for volume
⏹️ ▶️ John and brightness would make sense The other thing is all of the translucent elements here including like the control
⏹️ ▶️ John center things and even the icons Have that sort of like beveled edge shimmer It’s as
⏹️ ▶️ John if the icon was made out of a thick material and you’d cut a 45 degree angle bevel around the entire thing and then shined
⏹️ ▶️ John a light on it that sort of supposedly gyroscopically fluctuated
⏹️ ▶️ John shimmer It’s not everywhere in the US but that that look of like a piece of glass that has an angled edge
⏹️ ▶️ John that the light is reflecting off of that is present in all these mock-ups and I mean I think
⏹️ ▶️ John one of the things based on the solarium name all the rumors on these mock-ups I think we can safely say
⏹️ ▶️ John that the redesigns theme is glassy stuff Right, maybe not the same glassy
⏹️ ▶️ John stuff as the vision Pro But that it’s so clear that that is a strong theme of this redesign
⏹️ ▶️ John which probably means the same glassy stuff is coming to the Mac even more, which I’m not really looking forward to. And we
⏹️ ▶️ John had during the show, in fact, some anonymous person send us an idea about it, and
⏹️ ▶️ John I think this is just an idea and not a an attempt to predict or explain. But anyway,
⏹️ ▶️ John the idea is based on a past discussion. It’s like, well, Vision Pro has all these translucent windows because you have passed through and
⏹️ ▶️ John your windows are floating in the middle of your room. And it’s it’s a very different kind of interface. So being able
⏹️ ▶️ John to see partially through things or at least to have things sort of feel integrated into your environment by
⏹️ ▶️ John showing through the background makes so much sense in the Vision Pro interface, maybe less so on phones
⏹️ ▶️ John and Macs. But this anonymous person said, well, you know, that’s only
⏹️ ▶️ John true because right now we think of our phones as being like Mac screens where what’s behind them is the wallpaper,
⏹️ ▶️ John but the phones do have cameras on the back of them. So technically you could do iPhone pass through
⏹️ ▶️ John and so that everything that’s behind all these translucent things is literally what’s behind your
⏹️ ▶️ John phone. phone to that concept, I think, A, don’t give Apple any ideas, and B, I’m
⏹️ ▶️ John assuming that would just destroy your battery. If anyone’s ever left the phone out, the camera app open on your phone
⏹️ ▶️ John for a while, you know that just leaving that app open makes your phone get hot. Now granted, they don’t have to do the massive
⏹️ ▶️ John amount of image processing that the camera app does. They can do a much more dumb one, especially if they’re just using it to
⏹️ ▶️ John tint windows with a blurry background. But please, Apple, don’t listen to the show and don’t do that. It’s a
⏹️ ▶️ John terrible idea. I think about solarium and a glass look and I’m like, oh my God, if
⏹️ ▶️ John they could fit that in the battery budget, I just know someone would try to do it. So crossing my fingers, that is not a
⏹️ ▶️ John thing that comes to pass.
Nintendo Switch 2
⏹️ ▶️ Casey All right. So over the last week or so, we’ve got some exciting news.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey The Nintendo switch to launch has well launched in so far as we now know what it’s, what,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey what it’s going to be that has happened. Uh, and so there was a like
⏹️ ▶️ Casey two hour video or maybe it was only an hour. It felt forever. I was packing for
⏹️ ▶️ Casey, Marco trips forever.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Cause you know, as WDC watchers, these are all game demos.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Oh, that’s true. You’re right. You’re right. But anyways, there was an hour long video. We’ll put a link in the show notes. It’s
⏹️ ▶️ Casey probably worth at least skimming through. But one way or another, the Nintendo Switch 2 is here. Well, I
⏹️ ▶️ Casey keep saying here. That’s not fair. It has been announced. I need to check my vocabulary here. It’s been announced.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey John, as the resident Nintendo expert, how are you feeling?
⏹️ ▶️ John I think I feel good. I think most people feel good. And by the way, the Nintendo Switch 2 was already announced, but this is the reveal
⏹️ ▶️ John where you— Last time, they just showed the hardware flying around and said, here it is, it’s the Switch 2, but now this is more
⏹️ ▶️ John like you would expect at a WWDC announcement where Nintendo gets up there and says here’s the product, here’s what
⏹️ ▶️ John it does, here are its features, here are the games that are going to be for it, here’s the price, here’s the value, like just
⏹️ ▶️ John it’s, you know, completely revealed. If
⏹️ ▶️ John you saw the hardware reveal, there weren’t a lot of surprises here, like it’s a bigger version
⏹️ ▶️ John of the Switch with a bigger better screen and all the hardware features you could see before, but they talked about a lot of details.
⏹️ ▶️ John A lot of people got hands on so we’ll link to the Verge’s hands on and Ars Technicus hands on which give a lot of insight
⏹️ ▶️ John into the device from people who actually got to use it. One piece that follow up for this program
⏹️ ▶️ John is that Marco doubted that the Joycons would be used as mice. In fact they are
⏹️ ▶️ John usable as mice. In fact
⏹️ ▶️ John hands-on things that you’ll see reports talk about how is it to use the
⏹️ ▶️ John Joycons as mice. The answer is it’s weird and not great.
⏹️ ▶️ John But I posted about it on Mastodon when it came out was Joy-Cons are now mice, controller goes sideways, which is a very
⏹️ ▶️ John old, weird, obscure reference to a tweet when back when we
⏹️ ▶️ John cared about what Twitter was like and it was doing weird stuff. Yeah,
⏹️ ▶️ John the main complaint is a like taking if you know what the switch Joy-Con looks like
⏹️ ▶️ John putting it on its edge and using it as a mouse is not really comfortable or ergonomic
⏹️ ▶️ John or a great experience. They were pushing it so much at the hands on that I believe they were one
⏹️ ▶️ John of the games they were doing was the new Metroid Prime thing, which is a first person shooter. And I believe they they made you
⏹️ ▶️ John use it in like mouse look mode, essentially, like they didn’t have controllers. You had to use the joy cons either by,
⏹️ ▶️ John I think, like gyroscoping them in the air or using them as mice. And
⏹️ ▶️ John it’s awkward, but I hope this opens the door to it. If if not first party, then at the very least third party, like
⏹️ ▶️ John actual mouse shaped mice for the switch for people who want to do like
⏹️ ▶️ John first person games with the mouse. It’s as many of the reviews pointed out. It’s kind of weird
⏹️ ▶️ John to let you use your controllers as a mouse for a device that people use on their couch.
⏹️ ▶️ John Nintendo even promoted the idea that you can use them on your pants leg, which I
⏹️ ▶️ John know if any of us have been like before the days of like if you didn’t have consoles or when you tried to look hook up
⏹️ ▶️ John your gaming PC to your TV or something like we’ve all used a mouse on our pants.
⏹️ ▶️ John And who hasn’t done it? It’s not a good experience. Your leg
⏹️ ▶️ John is not a good mouse pad, especially not for a game where you’re doing things like quickly
⏹️ ▶️ John or whatever. Anyway, I thought one, not one of the games they announced was a really interesting use
⏹️ ▶️ John of the Joy-Con mouse control though, because both Joy-Cons can be used as mice.
⏹️ ▶️ John And it was a wheelchair basketball game. And you use the two mice to essentially like,
⏹️ ▶️ John like grabbing the wheels and rolling them so to turn you just push like the right one up a bunch of times and you swipe swipe
⏹️ ▶️ John Swipe just like you would turn turn turn the wheel and you use the gyroscope thing to like chuck the ball into the hoop
⏹️ ▶️ John Look really cool. But a lot of people said their arms were tired It reminds me kind of the Wii Sports thing people would be like video games shouldn’t
⏹️ ▶️ John be hurting my arms. What’s going on? Exercise, how does it work? Anyway,
⏹️ ▶️ John be careful out there Another thing that they announced is that the it does still have an SD card slot But it
⏹️ ▶️ John only takes micro SD express cards, which is a standard that I did not wasn’t even aware existed
⏹️ ▶️ John but it basically comes down to They they want more speed like the internal SSD is presumably
⏹️ ▶️ John faster That you can’t use the SD the micro SD cards you used with a plain old switch
⏹️ ▶️ John because they’re just too slow They want to set a minimum standard of speed. It’s a low minimum standard It’s not like a PS 5 or
⏹️ ▶️ John you need to do 5,500 megabytes per second like that’s the ps5 standard and
⏹️ ▶️ John the console tests any SSD you insert to make sure it complies with that But micro SD express
⏹️ ▶️ John is faster than plain old micro SD the cards cost like twice as much But anyway, at least there’s still
⏹️ ▶️ John expansion This wasn’t something they explained But by seeing
⏹️ ▶️ John the hardware for more angles and more of their animations I think I have a plausible explanation
⏹️ ▶️ John of what the weird chunky things are on the kickstand I asked this when we talked about the the switch hardware
⏹️ ▶️ John reveal a while back and it was like the kickstand is like this kind of u-shaped piece of metal that you Folds
⏹️ ▶️ John out from the the back of the switch and you can put it at different angles But there were these very
⏹️ ▶️ John thick like things Protruding from the bottom of the kickstand.
⏹️ ▶️ John I didn’t understand what they were Like maybe there was a spring-loaded thing in there or something that still could be what they are There still
⏹️ ▶️ John could be some spring mechanism inside there with some mechanical thing that makes the Hinge springy
⏹️ ▶️ John and stay in place kind of like the springs that powered the iMac G4’s screen That could
⏹️ ▶️ John be what’s in there. But another function of these things is revealed in The
⏹️ ▶️ John shot where they show the kickstand being put to its maximum like
⏹️ ▶️ John extension where You start off with a switch at like 90 degrees to the table and you push it down
⏹️ ▶️ John How flat can you get it and when you get it real flat the kickstand goes down down down down down at its maximum
⏹️ ▶️ John extension I think those little nubbin things hit the table as essentially a stop for saying
⏹️ ▶️ John This is the maximum angle you can get this thing to go And when you go to that angle
⏹️ ▶️ John now, you have two additional points of contact I could be wrong because they’re not actually touching the table in the photo But
⏹️ ▶️ John that’s my best guess for what those things are Of all the things in this device everyone’s like, oh what GPU does
⏹️ ▶️ John it have? What CPU does it have? I’m like, what’s inside those hinges? That’s what I want to know.
⏹️ ▶️ John They talked more about the magnets that are holding the Joy-Cons on. That seems pretty cool. They did it by making the
⏹️ ▶️ John shoulder buttons on the Joy-Cons be made of metal. So that’s what the magnets connect to, which is clever.
⏹️ ▶️ John They didn’t say anything about the CPU or GPU, like no info revealed there, although they did say
⏹️ ▶️ John it can do 4K 120 frames per second. They did say it uses DLSS, which we
⏹️ ▶️ John discussed on a past program, which is one of those fancy upscaling modes to be able to get a
⏹️ ▶️ John 4K output when the game is not actually rendered at 4K resolution. The screen
⏹️ ▶️ John on the thing is 1080, it’s not an OLED. The output is 4K, again, probably upscalable
⏹️ ▶️ John DLSS. Up to 120 Hertz, but I imagine most games will be like 60.
⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco we’ll talk about this in the
⏹️ ▶️ John after show. The announced price was $450 for the Switch 2, or if you wanna get the bundle that comes with
⏹️ ▶️ John Mario Kart World, it’s $500. And the top end games are anywhere from 70 to 80 bucks,
⏹️ ▶️ John which people are flipping out about a little bit. There was a good chart I should have found on the show notes, but I didn’t. Showing the inflation adjusted
⏹️ ▶️ John price of video games for home consoles.
⏹️ ▶️ John And I think just a lot of people who are gamers now just expect video games to be $60 forever, but $60 in 1993 is worth a different
⏹️ ▶️ John amount than $60 today. today. Uh,
⏹️ ▶️ John and if you see the chart, you’ll see the games used to be way more expensive than they are now, and they’ve been
⏹️ ▶️ John dropping like a stone relative to inflation. This adjustment does not bring
⏹️ ▶️ John them back to their historic highs, but you can’t just expect to live
⏹️ ▶️ John decades and decades and have video games be $60 for that entire time. That’s not how inflation works. So
⏹️ ▶️ John there’s 70 to 80 bucks. Now people are angry about it. It’s like, well, welcome to the world.
⏹️ ▶️ John Some things do actually get more expensive. In fact, most things get more expensive.
⏹️ ▶️ John And this is this is an example. They’re not selling you when you buy the game. You’re not buying
⏹️ ▶️ John the cost of goods for the cartridge. And by the way, it still does use little tiny cartridges, although they’re
⏹️ ▶️ John selling a kind of cartridge that basically just has a decryption key on it. So it’s like a hardware dongle for the game because
⏹️ ▶️ John they want to be able to sell physical things in stores, but they don’t want to actually put the game on the thing because it’s it’s too big to fit on the cart. Anyway,
⏹️ ▶️ John there’s lots of weird stuff going on there, but suffice it to say, our all digital age is rapidly coming for
⏹️ ▶️ John all consoles, but Nintendo is still holding strong by willing to sell you a tiny little card that you can
⏹️ ▶️ John trade with people and sell when you’re done with it, and all the good things you can do with physical games, even
⏹️ ▶️ John if there’s not actually a physical game on it. They announced a bunch of things about trading games to other people,
⏹️ ▶️ John like what if I have a game and I’ll let someone borrow it? They’re doing some more digital DRM-powered lending library things.
⏹️ ▶️ John Basically all good news from my perspective. I looked at this announcement. I’m like switch to looks great Looks like a switch but better
⏹️ ▶️ John the games look good I don’t blink at the price because I you know,
⏹️ ▶️ John it’s like I just bought a $700 ps5 Pro I don’t expect things to cost the same amount forever. I don’t
⏹️ ▶️ John didn’t expect them to launch us at $199 Presumably the price will go down over time
⏹️ ▶️ John Yeah, I think it’s just I looked at the announcement. I said, this is like a home run I’m totally gonna get
⏹️ ▶️ John one of these and I think I’ll really like it. Will it actually be 450 or 500 dollars? Or will it be much much more?
⏹️ ▶️ John Nintendo was taking sort of pre-orders They did a clever thing where they’re trying to stop people from
⏹️ ▶️ John like buying them up and then reselling them essentially like I don’t know What you’d call it scalpers and ticket and ticket parlance
⏹️ ▶️ John They don’t want people buying up a bunch of switches and selling them for tons of money So I guess you can
⏹️ ▶️ John only do this trick once but they basically said if you want to put your name in the hat to get in line to be able
⏹️ ▶️ John to have the privilege of preordering this at some point, you have to have a Nintendo online account
⏹️ ▶️ John with at least $50 of gameplay on the Switch. 50 hours. 50 hours of gameplay on the Switch,
⏹️ ▶️ John which I easily pass and I put my hat in the ring. And then two days later they said, uh,
⏹️ ▶️ John based on this tariff stuff, maybe we’re going to hold off on those preorder things. We’ll have more to say later. So as usual,
⏹️ ▶️ John everything is completely up in the air and uncertain because of the chaos in our country. We apologize to the whole world for that.
⏹️ ▶️ John We’ll talk about that more in the after show. But anyway, Switch 2 looks good, right?
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I mean, if we can ever actually get one, I think this is going to be like the fun that we need. Like,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I feel like a major, a major heyday of the Switch 1 was 2020 with,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco you know, everyone being stuck at home and then Animal Crossing came out. And that was like such
⏹️ ▶️ Marco kind of a hallmark of like, we need, we needed that at that time. kind of like you know helpful
⏹️ ▶️ Marco and calm semi-social game like it I think that
⏹️ ▶️ Marco that helped the world out and for Nintendo to be releasing
⏹️ ▶️ Marco this this year which is gonna have what looks like a really fun new Mario Kart
⏹️ ▶️ Marco game and whatever else they’re gonna be doing over the next couple years with with titles I think this will be nice
⏹️ ▶️ John we’re all gonna need it oh that Mario Kart games what what a good idea I don’t know why this never occurred to me, but when they announced
⏹️ ▶️ John it, I’m like, oh, duh, what a good idea. So what they, you know, with Breath of the Wild, they basically made Zelda an open world
⏹️ ▶️ John game, which seems like it should never possibly work, but totally did. And it was amazing and everyone loved it. They made Mario
⏹️ ▶️ John Kart an open world game. You’re like, what the hell? It’s a game where you race carts around a track. How can that be an open world game? They said,
⏹️ ▶️ John well, guess what? Now you can drive anywhere. Now there’s a mode where you can, you and your friends can just go drive places. It’s
⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco not even the race.
⏹️ ▶️ John And there were some of the racing modes. You drive around one course and then you drive to the next course and and then you
⏹️ ▶️ John drive around it, and then you drive around it. Such a good idea. Like, just
⏹️ ▶️ John full credit for them, just saying, we, you know, open world is fun. Can we add that to a driving
⏹️ ▶️ John game? And the answer is yes, love it.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah. And just like, I was a little worried. Like whenever I see like the promotional
⏹️ ▶️ Marco videos or teaser images of a Mario Kart game, like a new Mario Kart game,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco it always looks to me like just total, like overload mania,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco like every new one that comes out, my first impression when I see the videos is, oh god, they added way too
⏹️ ▶️ Marco much crap to this, this doesn’t look fun anymore, now it’s just like a coin fest.
⏹️ ▶️ John Sometimes you’re right that they did add way too much crap. Fair,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco but when I saw the very first teaser video for this, I was like, oh
⏹️ ▶️ Marco god, they just covered this, and it looked to me like the feeling
⏹️ ▶️ Marco you get when you’re walking through a casino and you’re hearing all this, the slot machine, ding-a-do-do-do-do-do-do, Like it’s just that’s
⏹️ ▶️ Marco that to me is like when I see these Mario Kart promo videos But then I saw like later on some other video they did I saw like
⏹️ ▶️ Marco actual gameplay Footage of just like a race and it looked a lot more normal
⏹️ ▶️ Marco like oh, thank God, okay So
⏹️ ▶️ John and reportedly they’ve toned down the items like in the old games like for example if you got hit with an offensive item
⏹️ ▶️ John It would essentially stop you dead in your tracks You’d have to reaccelerate and due to like the nature of like the various
⏹️ ▶️ John modes They have like knockout mode where you have to be in in a certain place Otherwise you get knocked out of the
⏹️ ▶️ John race as you go from course to course. There’s, it’s reportedly from the people who have tried the game, fewer
⏹️ ▶️ John things that like, oh, I got hit with this now. I’m just dead in the water. I’m totally stopped. It’s more like things will hit you and slow
⏹️ ▶️ John you down. So that seems gentler as well where the, I mean, I’m not sure it’s saying you’re not
⏹️ ▶️ John going to get frustrated because I think there’s some, I think I saw one item that randomly swaps the place of people in the race,
⏹️ ▶️ John which I think will anger a lot of people in a fun way maybe. Um, but I’m looking forward to
⏹️ ▶️ John longer races where getting hit with a single item doesn’t feel like, well, I might as well just stop now because I’ve gone from 100
⏹️ ▶️ John miles an hour to zero. Yeah. They did make the maximum number of players up to 24 or something, which is probably
⏹️ ▶️ John a little bit ridiculous.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Now I’m very much looking forward to it. I don’t expect to get one for less than a thousand dollars in the next two years.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco That’s that, that remains to be seen. Like how attainable will these actually be? That’s
⏹️ ▶️ Marco a big question, Mark.
⏹️ ▶️ John Yeah. I mean, it’s a question even for, Even without the current political instability in our country
⏹️ ▶️ John just getting the original switch was difficult in much more favorable circumstances So if you
⏹️ ▶️ John think getting the switch to is gonna be easy, it was never gonna be easy And now it may be even harder, but you know,
⏹️ ▶️ John like if you can get one you can get one if you can’t trust me Eventually switch twos
⏹️ ▶️ John will be in stock and you’ll be able to buy one Nintendo will make sure of it Eventually, maybe next year,
⏹️ ▶️ John maybe the year after that, but you just stay alive no matter what occurs switch to will find you That’s
iPhone 17 Pro: 48MP 3.5X?
⏹️ ▶️ Casey The iPhone 17 Pro allegedly will have a new 48 megapixel
⏹️ ▶️ Casey telephoto lens. Reading from Mac rumors, according to Majin Boo, the iPhone 17
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Pro will feature a new telephoto lens with a 48 megapixel sensor, up from the current 12 megapixel
⏹️ ▶️ Casey sensor found in the iPhone 16 Pro and Pro Max. This rumor isn’t new, in fact it’s been repeatedly
⏹️ ▶️ Casey claimed by several other sources. However, Boo goes further by claiming that the new lens will offer 3.5x optical zoom,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey zoom, which is an 85mm equivalent, instead of the 5x zoom or 120mm equivalent currently available. The
⏹️ ▶️ Casey big shift allegedly comes from the new 48MP sensor in that the extra resolution allows
⏹️ ▶️ Casey for digital cropping to simulate longer focal lengths, offering less quality loss than normal digital zoom.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey This is similar to what Apple already does with the main Fusion camera on the iPhone 16, where the 48MP sensor
⏹️ ▶️ Casey enables a 2x digital crop, marketed as telephoto, that still produces a 12MP
⏹️ ▶️ Casey image with minimal quality loss. I don’t think I, I do, and I don’t want this.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey I don’t want to lose my one and a half X. I really like the 5X zoom and maybe I would
⏹️ ▶️ Casey find in use that I would actually prefer the three and a half, but
⏹️ ▶️ Casey I like having the throw of the five. I’m glad that I have 5X and I think I would miss it if I didn’t have
⏹️ ▶️ John But you’re going to have it. Like, that’s the thing. Remember when we talked about the 5X originally, and I think even when you would, I think you were
⏹️ ▶️ John the first one of us to get it and you were trying out. It’s like, well, it’s great when you need the reach, but the thing about
⏹️ ▶️ John 5X is you can always like zoom in a little bit more by using like quote unquote digital
⏹️ ▶️ John zoom that kids do. They don’t know it’s destroying their photos, but you can’t zoom out any farther. You have to switch
⏹️ ▶️ John to another camera. If you don’t want 5X, you have to switch off the 5X camera. And now you’re in,
⏹️ ▶️ John you know, the 1X, 2X camera or whatever. And you’re doing tons of digital zoom. I think this sounds
⏹️ ▶️ John great because making it 3.5X optical, but with the, the, like
⏹️ ▶️ John the double pixel thing of the 48 going down to 12 megapixel to get 5X,
⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey basically the same. You know what I’m saying? It’s like
⏹️ ▶️ John with our current 1X camera, when you switch to the quote unquote 2X camera, it’s still the 1X camera.
⏹️ ▶️ John They’re just pixel binning and cropping and doing like, they’re just giving you the middle 12 megapixels
⏹️ ▶️ John out of, not pixel binning, they’re giving you the middle 12, it’s sensor cropping. And they can get away with it because the sensor
⏹️ ▶️ John is good enough that a sensor crop still looks pretty good. They do a bunch of tricks. We talked about this when the camera first came out to make
⏹️ ▶️ John it look better than just a straight up sensor crop of the thing. Because I like, I want
⏹️ ▶️ John the, like, I like the 5X thing, but when I use it, I’m like, all right, when I’m trying to take pictures of my
⏹️ ▶️ John dog, she’s doing something cute on her bed and I’m on the couch.
⏹️ ▶️ John is just a me problem. 5X is a little bit too zoomed in, right? But
⏹️ ▶️ John 2X is a little bit too far out. And then you gotta do, okay, well, do I digital zoom
⏹️ ▶️ John from the 2X even more? Because I can’t digital zoom out from the 5X. If I had an optical
⏹️ ▶️ John 3.5X, I could pick it. I hope this rumor is true, because I think it’s a great compromise between the
⏹️ ▶️ John current 5X, while still giving people 5X reach, I see I’m assuming the camera is good quality,
⏹️ ▶️ John but also giving more of the in-between
⏹️ ▶️ Marco ranges. I’m looking forward to this if this is true. I love having the
⏹️ ▶️ Marco reach of the 5X sometimes, but oftentimes it is
⏹️ ▶️ Marco way too much reach, but as John said, like, but the 2X is not quite enough. And so I
⏹️ ▶️ Marco find myself, you know, just digitally zooming on the 2X sometimes between two and five or whatever, but
⏹️ ▶️ Marco the 5X lens, like it has always been, the telephoto lens on an iPhone,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco no matter what it was, back when it was 2X, when it was 2.5X, when it was 5X, I think it was three somewhere on some phones sometimes,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco that lens has always been optically a pretty big compromise. The pictures it takes are not great.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco It is way less detail and way more noise
⏹️ ▶️ Marco compared to the big main 1X camera lens. part of that is because
⏹️ ▶️ Marco of megapixels. A bigger part of that’s because of optics and physics of like how you
⏹️ ▶️ Marco have to fit that and everything. So if they change this to a 48 megapixel sensor,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco that will improve some of that. It’s not going to make it as good as the 1X lens still
⏹️ ▶️ Marco because of the optics and the physics differences, but it will at least make it better.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco And if they switch it to a 3.5X or whatever sensor, like physically,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco and then you digital zoom to 5X, I think the resulting quality of the 5X images is
⏹️ ▶️ Marco probably not gonna be that noticeably different or worse or better than the current
⏹️ ▶️ Marco 5X lens with its 12 megapixel sensor and its current optics. So
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I think this is only a positive change most likely. And then the advantage
⏹️ ▶️ Marco will be that you get a much better image quality at that middle range. Like when you actually
⏹️ ▶️ Marco are shooting at 3.5 or four or whatever, like that will be much better quality than it is today probably.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco So this sounds promising to me. I’m looking forward to it.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Yeah, I didn’t realize that it was in addition to 5X. I mean,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey well, sort of, kind of. I thought they were canning the 5X in favor of 3.5. I see totally now
⏹️ ▶️ Casey what you’re saying. I totally missed the boat on this in that it’s a digital crop or a sensor
⏹️ ▶️ Casey crop. This sounds much better than I initially thought. And yeah, I’m definitely here for it.
⏹️ ▶️ John Well, a couple more tidbits on 17 Pro that aren’t in the notes here, that happened this week
⏹️ ▶️ John or recently. We’ve talked in the past episodes about the sort of elongated camera
⏹️ ▶️ John Mesa where they just took the existing one and they just said, let’s just extend that Mesa all the way across the phone. Let’s just be honest. But they left all
⏹️ ▶️ John the cameras in the same place, and they just put like the flash and the lighter sensor way on the right side. Anyway, people
⏹️ ▶️ John are coming out. More people are making those models like that’s what we were looking at last time. We talked about in the show. Someone had made like
⏹️ ▶️ John physical models of it, and we were looking at those CAD drawings and the models made from them while we were discussing
⏹️ ▶️ John it. People are making models and case manufacturers are making cases. The cases look hilarious
⏹️ ▶️ John with just basically the top Third of the case just open for the giant
⏹️ ▶️ John camera Mesa to come in I know like we’re used to seeing a big hole in the back of a case But now it’s just like edge to edge
⏹️ ▶️ John one top third of the camera is just entirely open in the back some other rumors
⏹️ ▶️ John that people are Now insisting that the camera Mesa unlike all the mock-ups that people have been making
⏹️ ▶️ John will not be a different color than the back of of the phone, it’ll just whatever color the back of the phone is, the camera mace will
⏹️ ▶️ John be that same color. Maybe that’s a way to try to hide its bulk. Maybe it’s just a new look. There’s rumors
⏹️ ▶️ John about the back of the phone being partially aluminum and partially glass with glass over the parts that need to be
⏹️ ▶️ John radio transparent but aluminum over or some other kind of metal over the other parts for sturdiness.
⏹️ ▶️ John So that’s kind of the state of the rumors now. Like the CAD drawings are so widely available that you’ll
⏹️ ▶️ John find so many YouTube videos where like I made it out of metal. I made these out of wood. I 3D printed them. Like people
⏹️ ▶️ John have these phones essentially in their hand. Case manufacturers are making cases for them. Like
⏹️ ▶️ John the thorough leaking of the physical design of iPhones continues to just be massive
⏹️ ▶️ John and unavoidable. Like I almost feel bad for if like you actually care about this and you want to be like remain spoiler
⏹️ ▶️ John free about what the new iPhones look like. It’s almost impossible if you ever use YouTube but or listen to the show,
⏹️ ▶️ John sorry about that. But anyway, those are the new phones that are coming. But if like
⏹️ ▶️ John that 3.5 X camera, like I’m excited about, I’m not even getting this phone. Is anyone getting this phone?
⏹️ ▶️ John Anyway, we’ll talk more in the after show.
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#askatp: Product reviews
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Okay. Let’s do some ask ATP and Robert Battelle
⏹️ ▶️ Casey writes, what resources do you use for reviews, whether it’s for purchases or anything else? I use Wirecutter
⏹️ ▶️ Casey for purchases, but I have no idea what else would be reliable. I don’t really have a good
⏹️ ▶️ Casey answer for this. I don’t feel like I don’t even remember the last time I looked for like proper
⏹️ ▶️ Casey reviews of something. Typically I’ll page through Amazon reviews. If I’m looking at something
⏹️ ▶️ Casey on Amazon, which are all garbage and fake, and then I’ll, you maybe Google for a second, but I don’t have any
⏹️ ▶️ Casey terribly good answers to this. I feel like John is going to have the most comprehensive response. So Marco, what do you do?
⏹️ ▶️ John Well, actually, before you move on, Casey, I have a question for you about this. What’s the last thing you can recall buying that you like
⏹️ ▶️ John that you bothered to do any kind of like research for?
⏹️ ▶️ Casey I mean, we’ve just replaced both of our refrigerators, our garage and indoor refrigerator.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey They both died simultaneously, which was very unfun. But I didn’t
⏹️ ▶️ Casey do that much research. I mean, I did some cursory looking about, but
⏹️ ▶️ Casey we knew that we wanted to get something from Costco because they were running president’s day sales
⏹️ ▶️ Casey at the time. And then, um, for the garage fridge, I think they literally had one option, which was fine.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey And then for the indoor fridge, they had like three or four options that we cared about and I just chose the one that
⏹️ ▶️ Casey best fit our needs. So there really wasn’t that much comparison shopping done before
⏹️ ▶️ Casey then. I don’t even know, like Aaron’s car, but we, we comparison shopped ourselves and decided
⏹️ ▶️ Casey we wanted to stick with an XC90. Like I, I, I’m not trying to dodge your question. It’s a completely
⏹️ ▶️ John know. Because like we know people, we all know people who like, just don’t. Do research for their
⏹️ ▶️ John purchases because that’s just not the way they live their life. And especially if you don’t have hobbies that intersect with your purchases,
⏹️ ▶️ John like asking you, Casey, where did you do research for your next computer? Like you don’t have to do that research. You’re
⏹️ ▶️ John living in it. You’re soaking in it all the time. you are aware of the Macs that are available and are coming and what
⏹️ ▶️ John their reasons are. We’re like, you don’t have to do any research for that because it’s part of your hobby. But your hobby is not researching
⏹️ ▶️ John refrigerators. So when your refrigerator breaks, two things. One, as you know from listening to directives, when your refrigerator
⏹️ ▶️ John breaks, you don’t really have time to leisurely research what kind of fridge you’re gonna get. You kind
⏹️ ▶️ John of need a place to put your food so it doesn’t spoil. And then two, like maybe you don’t care that
⏹️ ▶️ John much about refrigerators. That’s what most people are with most of their purchases is like, well, whatever, I just want one that’s okay and that doesn’t cost
⏹️ ▶️ John too much and they’re having a sale and so I go for it. But yeah, some people care a lot about
⏹️ ▶️ John every purchase and some people care not at all about any purchase. And some people only care about the things
⏹️ ▶️ John that they’re already, like they don’t have to do research for it because it’s their hobby. Like, so you don’t, you care about
⏹️ ▶️ John which computers you get but you do not have to actively do any research in that area.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Yeah, Marco, let’s talk with you and then John, let’s wrap it up with you, please.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco So the key to sifting through reviews is
⏹️ ▶️ Marco you have to be able to kind of contextualize the credibility of what you are seeing.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco And there’s two angles to that. Like one of them is just like, is this even real? And, you know, do I
⏹️ ▶️ Marco trust this person or alleged person? And do I trust what they’re saying to be accurate
⏹️ ▶️ Marco and fair? And the second part of it is, are they looking for the same things
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I’m looking for in this product? And those are very different questions. And
⏹️ ▶️ Marco have to really be aware of both those things. Like, Like, you know, so where you are looking has
⏹️ ▶️ Marco a certain set of like, you know, built in things to consider like on Amazon. Many
⏹️ ▶️ Marco of those reviews are fake. Many of those reviews have been paid for. Many of them were given like the Amazon
⏹️ ▶️ Marco vine program where they send them the product for free in exchange for a review. Like there’s so much
⏹️ ▶️ Marco gaming going on there or incentivizing going on any kind of online shop but especially
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Amazon, which is so big. So you do have to contextualize when you see a review. like this looks
⏹️ ▶️ Marco like a you know a three paragraph essay written by a middle schooler about this product like
⏹️ ▶️ Marco chances are that’s not that you know that anything looks kind of formulaic and you know it’s like this
⏹️ ▶️ Marco is probably not a real thing that you’re that you need to be to paying attention to similarly
⏹️ ▶️ Marco you have to consider like what is the crowd I am watching or what is the
⏹️ ▶️ Marco crowd I’m reading here like for instance if you go if you find like reddit posts
⏹️ ▶️ Marco about something you’re buying. Well, most reddits seem to be
⏹️ ▶️ Marco young men who are angry about the products they’re reviewing.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco it’s like, well, that can be useful. Like that’s very good information sometimes. But you have to contextualize.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Like, well, what are young angry men saying about this? Like, or, you know, what when this product
⏹️ ▶️ Marco breaks or doesn’t work, like what, how does it break and not work? But if you don’t look at the,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco if you don’t contextualize it properly, you might think like, oh, this product breaks for everybody. But what if it only
⏹️ ▶️ Marco breaks for young men? You wouldn’t know that. So like, you have to contextualize. Like,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Amazon, a lot of fake stuff. Other places online, they have their communities and their limitations and everything.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco So what you’re looking for when you see reviews is overall trends,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco large trends. Like, okay, well, if this product, if all the reviews of this
⏹️ ▶️ Marco are citing like some nitpicky problem, But it has like 10,000
⏹️ ▶️ Marco reviews on Amazon and the average is like 4.5 stars. Odds
⏹️ ▶️ Marco are it works fine for most people who buy it and the few people it doesn’t,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco there’s what they’re complaining about. You can read the reviews and say, Okay, well, it looks like, you know, this cheese grater,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco it looks like it’s really good, but maybe the handle breaks off under heavy use after five years. Like,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco okay, well, you might still want to buy it, it like that because that might still be the best cheese grater. That’s why everyone
⏹️ ▶️ Marco keeps buying it. Right. So like there’s, you have to kind of contextualize like, well, how will this fit
⏹️ ▶️ Marco my needs, not just what is one reviewer say, and again, you have to look at the credibility of the reviewer. So if you’re looking at
⏹️ ▶️ Marco like a restaurant, my favorite is like, if you’re, if you’re like, you know, in America and you
⏹️ ▶️ Marco see reviews for any kind of non-American food,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco like you look at like restaurant reviews for like a Thai restaurant, say. Well, you can always tell when you
⏹️ ▶️ Marco look at those reviews, like which of these people don’t really eat Thai food, you can tell right there in the reviews. Because
⏹️ ▶️ Marco they’ll make certain comments like, oh they’re judging this harshly but somebody who likes Thai food
⏹️ ▶️ Marco that sounds like they probably like it actually. So you have to you know contextualize that kind of thing as well
⏹️ ▶️ Marco with your reviews. So it’s I can’t just point to one place and say this
⏹️ ▶️ Marco is the one that trust what this place is saying because everywhere has their problems.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Even yes, Wirecutter. Wirecutter, despite the
⏹️ ▶️ Marco marketing of it, does not test a huge number of products in most categories.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco They usually test, they’ll usually do the same thing, they’ll go on Amazon or whatever, and they’ll like kind of filter out
⏹️ ▶️ Marco like what they don’t even wanna bother testing, cause you can’t test everything, cause there’s so many products in most categories.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco So like, they’ll use their own kind of filtering methods to say, all right, well we’re only gonna test like
⏹️ ▶️ Marco these 10 things in this category or whatever. And even then, they’re testing for certain
⏹️ ▶️ Marco qualities, they’re optimizing for certain qualities, they’re only having a small number of people
⏹️ ▶️ Marco usually do the testing. So even then, like that’s not gonna be representative of what
⏹️ ▶️ Marco everyone is looking for. That’s not gonna be representative of every product in the market. They might rule things
⏹️ ▶️ Marco out based on, you know, price or availability details that maybe you don’t care about.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Or they might not care about some feature or some functionality of something that you very much do care about.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco You know, so you kind of have to just look around and get a vibe for like, oh, it seems
⏹️ ▶️ Marco like most people pick this option, why? Or it seems like this product seems to
⏹️ ▶️ Marco perform poorly in cold weather. Well, I live in Arizona, no problem. You know, like you can find stuff out like
⏹️ ▶️ Marco that, but you do have to kind of just develop that habit of just like being able to absorb
⏹️ ▶️ Marco a lot of info that you’re seeing from all these different sources, being able to pretty quickly realize what seems
⏹️ ▶️ Marco credible and what seems non-credible, And then what seems relevant and what seems irrelevant?
⏹️ ▶️ John The reason I put this in Ask ATP is because this is one of the questions we get every few year. We get all the time. But every few years,
⏹️ ▶️ John I feel like it’s worth re-answering it, just to see if anything has changed in our lives in terms of how we handle things, and
⏹️ ▶️ John just to reiterate the answers that we usually give to these questions for listeners who haven’t listened to the program
⏹️ ▶️ John for years and years. I think you two covered most of the bases there. And I already talked about,
⏹️ ▶️ John you can’t do deep research in every single thing you buy. Like you probably only care about certain things and other
⏹️ ▶️ John ones you just like, I feel like a lot of people have sort of the loss aversion where they’re like, well, I just don’t, I don’t care about this, but I don’t want to get
⏹️ ▶️ John a bad one. It’s like, well, like what are the consequences? You know, if you’re looking for like,
⏹️ ▶️ John you know, a garbage can for your office, if you get a bad one, it’s probably not the end of the world. Just
⏹️ ▶️ John put it in, use it somewhere else in your house where it will work better and then try again, right?
⏹️ ▶️ John Versus buying a refrigerator or a car where you’re like, well, I don’t actually even care about cars, but it’s a lot of money.
⏹️ ▶️ John So I wanna make sure I do okay there. So I’m gonna do some research. So always recognize that
⏹️ ▶️ John balance. Like if you find yourself doing days of research about cheese graters and you don’t
⏹️ ▶️ John actually care about cheese graters, question what you’re doing, right? That’s the only research of things
⏹️ ▶️ John that you actually, you know, either that you care a lot about or you feel like you have to care a lot about because the
⏹️ ▶️ John consequences of making a bad choice are, you know, significant. But again, the consequences of buying
⏹️ ▶️ John a trash can for your office that you don’t like that much, probably not gonna be fatal.
⏹️ ▶️ John So you’ll probably be okay. Um, the resources that I use, I think it always helps for things that
⏹️ ▶️ John you do care about and you want to research. It always helps to sort of, first of all, find the
⏹️ ▶️ John place on the internet where the people who care way more about this than you hang out and talk about it.
⏹️ ▶️ John So for me, like for televisions, there are whole forums of people who just like spend all day
⏹️ ▶️ John talking about TV, like talking about things like on their little, you know, PHP BB that’s been
⏹️ ▶️ John up for decades and they are just obsessed with TVs and they have dedicated
⏹️ ▶️ John topics and channels for specific manufacturers and models and they share settings with each other and that are obsessively
⏹️ ▶️ John watching all the rumors about like those people care more their lives are about TV that is
⏹️ ▶️ John the ATP listener equivalent like that’s the ATP for televisions you probably want to find those people
⏹️ ▶️ John not because you’re going to agree with them or do what they say but it’s good to have that input of like
⏹️ ▶️ John there are some people who are on top of everything and and their opinions are going to be weird and their priorities are not going to match yours,
⏹️ ▶️ John but they do know a lot. And so that really helps with like, like what Mark was saying, if you’re like, well, this,
⏹️ ▶️ John you know, the wire cutter cares about X, but doesn’t care at all about Y. And when you find the people who care a ton about the
⏹️ ▶️ John product, you will see every concern reflected somewhere in there. So if you’re wondering, like,
⏹️ ▶️ John I care about how noisy this thing is, but no one ever talks about the noise, find the forums where everyone’s obsessed. There’s
⏹️ ▶️ John going to be a sub genre in there of the people who care about the noise. The wire cutter review you might never even mention or measure the
⏹️ ▶️ John noise at all. But the forum full of people who are obsessed with this thing, they’re gonna talk about the noise,
⏹️ ▶️ John the weight, the color, the price, that like they’re gonna talk about everything. So you can, you want like,
⏹️ ▶️ John if I wanna know how noisy is this, you need somewhere to find that information. Not from the specs
⏹️ ▶️ John page of the thing and not from some paid review on Amazon, but like the obsessive people. So find
⏹️ ▶️ John that, find where that is, whether it’s a website or whatever, find the people who are obsessed and don’t
⏹️ ▶️ John take what they say at face value. Don’t look at their recommended products and buy what they say, but instead use it as a resource to figure
⏹️ ▶️ John out, oh, the thing that I care about, let me get some info on that so I can put that as an input into my thing.
⏹️ ▶️ John Second thing that I’ll say is, YouTube is a great resource when buying physical products
⏹️ ▶️ John because almost anything you buy, you’ll probably be able to find multiple YouTube
⏹️ ▶️ John reviews of it. And the thing you’re getting, I think the most important thing to get for a YouTube review,
⏹️ ▶️ John if you’re not lucky enough to like find like a YouTube channel that you trust and about this product or whatever, which is not always gonna be the case.
⏹️ ▶️ John You just wanna physically see the product in real conditions, in real
⏹️ ▶️ John lighting, in real people’s hands. And boy, will you find that on YouTube.
⏹️ ▶️ John And you may not think like, well, what do I care? Like, I know what it looks like. I see the pictures on the website. Like, what does it matter? Seeing
⏹️ ▶️ John the real thing, maybe if they use the thing, if it’s like a vacuum, having them like use it and push it around
⏹️ ▶️ John and just like seeing it from lots of different angles and like the product shots you’re always gonna show it in the most
⏹️ ▶️ John flattering light and maybe you’ll get two blurry photos on the Amazon reviews with photos things. YouTube
⏹️ ▶️ John is where you need to go to see this product from all angles. Yeah, again,
⏹️ ▶️ John to use as an input because you’re wondering like, is that thing on the bottom pointy? Like how does this thing rest
⏹️ ▶️ John on the table? Or where does the plug go in on this? Or what does the, like, what does that display look like when
⏹️ ▶️ John it lights up? Or does that thing make a noise when you turn it on? You will find the answers to those questions on YouTube. Because
⏹️ ▶️ John you’ll search for this product and model number you’ll find 100 amateur videos from random people in their houses, and eventually
⏹️ ▶️ John one of them will show the thing that you’re interested in. That is another important input. And finally, if you’re super lucky and
⏹️ ▶️ John it’s a thing you really care about, you will eventually find channels that you like. When I was searching for speakers
⏹️ ▶️ John for my home theater set up and then later when I was searching speakers for my computer, there are channels
⏹️ ▶️ John that I like and follow that review audio equipment where I’ve watched like dozens of
⏹️ ▶️ John hours of reviews of audio stuff. And I know those people. I know what their attitudes are and what they care about.
⏹️ ▶️ John I know where to find the objective measures that I care about for the particular speakers that I’m interested in. And
⏹️ ▶️ John boy, is that nice because if I just like or my my whole AV setup of when I was looking at my receiver and the television
⏹️ ▶️ John television channels, like if it’s a big name thing, like lots of people into TVs, lots of people are into gaming
⏹️ ▶️ John monitors, lots of people are into building PCs. Chances are good. There are a handful of YouTube
⏹️ ▶️ John channels where you can eventually find the people that you feel like you trust, that give you that whose
⏹️ ▶️ John values kind of match yours. And that could be a shortcut to all of this, because you’re like, I’m just going to go to monitors
⏹️ ▶️ John on box and whatever he says is the best gaming monitor that is, you know, four K, 27 inch OLED
⏹️ ▶️ John with HDR, with this number of minutes, I’m just going to say whichever one he wants. He says is the best I’m just going to get because I’ve watched this guy for seven years
⏹️ ▶️ John and his values align with mine shortcut. I know exactly what to get. If you don’t know hardware and box exists,
⏹️ ▶️ John you’re you can’t take that shortcut. But eventually, for things that you care about, you will find a channel like that. Thank
#askatp: iPhone & Android photo backups
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Anonymous writes, I’m having my first child soon. I want to figure out a coherent plan for managing and backing up pictures.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Well, why are you talking to us? All right. Next question. No, I kid. Uh, anonymous continues.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Ideally it should work automatically without having me having to do anything. If manual steps are required, I will definitely be
⏹️ ▶️ Casey too lazy to do them. I take pictures with my iPhone and Android phone and my wife takes pictures with her iPhone.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey I’m not worried if it costs some money. Uh, Google photos, I guess.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey I mean, we do have a whole member special about this that I recommend you ignore everything that we talk about in that
⏹️ ▶️ John Well, we just explain what we do, but we’re not again with most of our memory specials. When we explain what we do in
⏹️ ▶️ John our lives, we’re not necessarily recommending that you do the same thing. We’re just explaining what we do.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Yeah. So I honestly am not sure other than maybe Google Photos. Like I said, I’m not sure what I would recommend.
⏹️ ▶️ John Yeah. The last bit of like, you know, since I take pictures of my iPhone and Android phone,
⏹️ ▶️ John there you go. Well, once you say iPhone and Android, you need something cross platform because the whole point is I don’t want to do
⏹️ ▶️ John anything manual. So any solution that’s like, oh, well just your iPhone will be your primary phone and you’ll use iCloud photo library
⏹️ ▶️ John and then your Android photos, you’ll just transfer. Nope, manual step, no good. So if you want it to
⏹️ ▶️ John be automated, it’s slim pickings. You need a photo system that works
⏹️ ▶️ John hands-off on both iOS and Android. And the first one that comes to mind, Casey
⏹️ ▶️ John just said it, Google Photos. Google Photos is on the iPhone, Google Photos is on Android, and
⏹️ ▶️ John it is a fairly comprehensive photo system that cloud syncs your photos and yada, yada, yada.
⏹️ ▶️ John And that’s like, that’s the only, literally the only thing I can think of because everything else has manual steps.
⏹️ ▶️ John I’m not even aware of any other service that tries to compete at the level of Google Photos
⏹️ ▶️ John across both of these platforms. Now, if you could ditch that Android phone, I have a different answer for you. But
⏹️ ▶️ John given the constraints, you are looking at cross-platform solutions. And honestly, Google Photos is not bad. Like it’s
⏹️ ▶️ John fine, like, you know, and it’ll do, I think what you need to do, but be aware that Google Photos integration
⏹️ ▶️ John in the iOS ecosystem is not as smooth as the integration of Apple’s own photo
⏹️ ▶️ John system. So you will have to deal with that, but that’s just, that’s fact of life. There’s no avoiding it. I don’t think
⏹️ ▶️ John there’s any other, I’m not aware of any other service that will say, I guess maybe like there’s an Amazon thing where they
⏹️ ▶️ John they’ll send your photos. I forget if they canceled that. Um, I’m sure people are going to write in with their third party solutions, but.
⏹️ ▶️ John Honestly, but the whole, like there can’t be manual steps. I would add the other caveat is
⏹️ ▶️ John I don’t want to use a company that might not be there in five years. Like if you’re trying to look for pictures
⏹️ ▶️ John of your kids, like I just, I wouldn’t trust this to, not that I’m not to denigrate any third party things, but both
⏹️ ▶️ John platforms, both Apple’s platforms and Google’s platform and Microsoft’s platform for that matter,
⏹️ ▶️ John don’t really bend over backwards to make sure that third parties
⏹️ ▶️ John can provide as reliable a solution to photo management and sharing
⏹️ ▶️ John as the first party ones. They just don’t. You’re lucky you can do it at all. And so that’s why there’s not a proliferation
⏹️ ▶️ John of third-party services that work across all these platforms as seamlessly as the first-party ones. Google is really
⏹️ ▶️ John the only thing I can think of that has pretty okay iOS integration, and of course, you know, very good Android
⏹️ ▶️ John integration, and is a reliable service. And I know Google has a reputation for abandoning all their products.
⏹️ ▶️ John If they eventually abandon Photos, it’s gonna make a lot of people sad, but like, given the constraints of
⏹️ ▶️ John your question, Anonymous, I don’t have any better solutions.
#askatp: Documenting setups
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Yertle writes, do you guys have any strategies or philosophies around documenting complex setups that
⏹️ ▶️ Casey others might need to support like Marco’s wiring layout and network config for the restaurant? I’m mostly thinking
⏹️ ▶️ Casey of how much you try to support your future selves. Do you just bank it on it all making sense enough for you to figure out
⏹️ ▶️ Casey later? Other examples are AV receiver wiring and cloud or local backup steps. Um,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey for me, generally speaking, I’ll create like an Apple note. Um,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey when it’s something that I think I want to refer to in the future. I’m trying to think of other more physical
⏹️ ▶️ Casey examples. When I redid the switches in the house, that gave me an excuse
⏹️ ▶️ Casey to go figure out what all the different fuses in the fuse box or breaker box or whatever you want to call it,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey what they correspond to. So I made a little ASCII table that
⏹️ ▶️ Casey matches the breaker box and says, breaker one is the bedroom, breaker
⏹️ ▶️ Casey two is the bathroom or whatever the case may be. my website as another silly example, when I
⏹️ ▶️ Casey moved to Linode, I was very diligent about documenting all the things I did, um,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey in order to make sure I knew how to do it again in the future. Cause I knew I’d never remember any
⏹️ ▶️ Casey of it. Um, although quick aside, I’ve been meaning to tell you to, you can finally stop
⏹️ ▶️ Casey yelling at me about something that is not a problem. You can go to bare bones,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey just Casey list.com and it will now work. It used to be in the past that it would not work. It would hang if I’m
⏹️ ▶️ Casey not mistaken. You had to go to www.kclist.com. Now you can go to just
⏹️ ▶️ Casey kclist.com and that will also work. Welcome to 2002. Well,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey thank you very much. It’s great to be here. At least our president sort of kind of makes a little bit of sense.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey I actually wasn’t at W then, maybe that’s not true. Anyway, the point is that what
⏹️ ▶️ Casey made me think of this was I was looking at how I set up the Let’s Encrypt like cron job or whatever it was
⏹️ ▶️ Casey I did in order to set up the SSL cert for my website
⏹️ ▶️ Casey because I needed to rejigger that a little bit. And as it turns out, that was the one thing I didn’t document very
⏹️ ▶️ Casey well at all. And so as I was going through the stance of trying to figure out what the heck it was
⏹️ ▶️ Casey I did and how to augment it to allow for, you know, like a bare bones domain,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey I then documented it. And this happens to be a wiki entry on the GitHub
⏹️ ▶️ Casey repository for my website. But generally speaking, I use Apple notes religiously
⏹️ ▶️ Casey and diligently to document these sorts of things. Um, that being said, it’s not really helpful
⏹️ ▶️ Casey for anyone else. So God forbid, if I dropped dead tomorrow, Aaron or whoever’s coming
⏹️ ▶️ Casey after me to clean all this up, it’s going to be, it’s going to be a mess for them. Like
⏹️ ▶️ Casey they, they will, you know, Aaron has access to my Apple notes if she wants it, but it’s still going to be difficult. But that being
⏹️ ▶️ Casey said, that’s not going to be my problem. Um, so I don’t know. Uh, we started with Marco last time, I believe, John,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey what do you have any thoughts on this?
⏹️ ▶️ John Oh, one of the things I rely on for doing this is my own deterministic nature.
⏹️ ▶️ John Uh, if there’s any situation where I feel like if I
⏹️ ▶️ John encountered it again in the future, I would just have to do what comes natural to me and I would,
⏹️ ▶️ John it would solve the problem. So for example, um, let me keep track of
⏹️ ▶️ John like how I did this or what I named this thing or where I put this,
⏹️ ▶️ John I will come upon the same situation years later and just say, oh, well, I don’t know
⏹️ ▶️ John how I did this or where I put it or what I called it before, but I’ll just do what I feel like doing. And lo and behold, that’s
⏹️ ▶️ John exactly what I did five years ago, because I am the same person and I’m very predictable in certain ways.
⏹️ ▶️ John I don’t bother documenting that stuff. I just trust in myself to make the same decision if I
⏹️ ▶️ John need to. I do document for things that are
⏹️ ▶️ John not like that. I don’t have any kind of strong feeling about, and therefore my deterministic nature is not going to help me here.
⏹️ ▶️ John I do have an Apple note, for example, where I keep a bunch of crap on my house, things that really should be leaving my house, see
⏹️ ▶️ John other podcasts that I do. But I just have so much crap, I need to get rid of so much of it.
⏹️ ▶️ John But in the meantime, sometimes I need to know where something is, and so I have a notes document that tells me,
⏹️ ▶️ John like, this, I think the first year I really started doing this was like, it was hiding Christmas
⏹️ ▶️ John presents, like I’d get early Christmas presents, but I didn’t want people to find them, so I’d hide them. And then like in February, I’d
⏹️ ▶️ John find something that I forgot to give someone
⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco on Christmas, you know,
⏹️ ▶️ John buried in a drawer somewhere. Then I said, you know what? I need to write this down because I’m
⏹️ ▶️ John old and apparently I can’t remember where I put this stuff. So I will do that kind of documentation
⏹️ ▶️ John for technical stuff or for like, you know, the examples here, like wiring and like my AV stuff or whatever. Most
⏹️ ▶️ John of that stuff, I assume documenting it is not useful because the next time I touch it, I’m going to be overhauling it
⏹️ ▶️ John anyway. So who cares what I did before? And that has proved to be true for most things like
⏹️ ▶️ John I may have a complicated setup. My setup on my AVs thing is, I don’t know, it’s not complicated, but
⏹️ ▶️ John it is involved. But if I ever touch it, it’s because I’m overhauling it again, and then I just wanna start from scratch
⏹️ ▶️ John anyway. Right, so that, I don’t document that stuff. You mentioned like doing
⏹️ ▶️ John SSL stuff. That’s one of the few things I do have documented in my website things, just because it was, every time
⏹️ ▶️ John I did it, it’d be like, how would this work again? And what did I do? Because you just forget about it, especially when the search for like
⏹️ ▶️ John five years. Remember back before you had to redo it every year when you could have an SSL server for five years.
⏹️ ▶️ John Five years roll around, you’re like, oh, I have no idea what I did for this
⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco last time. I should have documented it. Well, I
⏹️ ▶️ John did document it and now I have to do it every year for multiple sites and that is convenient. And by documenting,
⏹️ ▶️ John it’s usually just a matter of writing down instructions, but then I’m like, you know what, why don’t I just make this a shell script? And you know, anyway,
⏹️ ▶️ John most everything else, no. Like I’m kind of in the same situation as you, Casey. I make this joke to my family all the time. Like if I get hit
⏹️ ▶️ John by a bus, you guys are never gonna be able to watch TV again.
⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey like, why do you have such a
⏹️ ▶️ John complicated setup that no one in your house can figure it out? I promise you it’s not that complicated, but they just rely
⏹️ ▶️ John on me to deal with it. Like I’m like their TV concierge. It’s like, you there, man,
⏹️ ▶️ John turn on my television program. And I do like, it’s just, you know, if anything ever goes wrong, something’s
⏹️ ▶️ John wrong with the computer television, anything that is a revolting computer thing, they just throw up their hands and walk away. And
⏹️ ▶️ John then I solve it for them. So if I ever disappear, they’re just, I don’t know, they’re gonna be Amish or something.
⏹️ ▶️ John It’s gonna be a rough situation for them. But yeah, I guess I write down
⏹️ ▶️ John what the breakers are for inside the breaker box on little lines where they say to write that stuff down.
⏹️ ▶️ John I’m the only one who does that because no one else ever touches the breaker box. But yeah, I
⏹️ ▶️ John guess that’s the extent. Like the real answer to this question is, do you have philosophies for documenting complex setups or
⏹️ ▶️ John do you do it? Like the answer is I don’t do it enough. Whatever amount I’m doing it is clearly not enough,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco And I think that that’s how we all are like when but this stuff like you know you
⏹️ ▶️ Marco do your best but every system like you you you maybe like forget about it a little bit or you get a little
⏹️ ▶️ Marco sloppy like the breakers are a great example. You know the breaker labeling
⏹️ ▶️ Marco is most kids it’s required by code for new construction or renovation but like of course
⏹️ ▶️ Marco over time the breaker labeling diverges from
⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John reality becomes fiction. Yeah,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco right. Or rather rather reality diverges from the labeling. Usually we’re like, you know, that was how it was when it was first installed But then
⏹️ ▶️ Marco like well, you know a few weeks later Something some circuit had to be moved for some reason
⏹️ ▶️ Marco or you added more circuits and now you have like six Unlabeled breakers at the bottom of the box that
⏹️ ▶️ Marco do who knows what you know There’s it reality always interferes with these systems like, you know,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco even you know So the you know, the questioner asked like what am I doing about the wiring and network and figure at the restaurant?
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Well, I started out with all the best intentions. When I ran on the new wires, I labeled them
⏹️ ▶️ Marco with label maker. I wrapped little labels around them, both ends of each one with
⏹️ ▶️ Marco a naming scheme that I think makes sense. What happens is over time, like, oh, I got to replace this wire with a
⏹️ ▶️ Marco longer one. Oh, I’ll label that. I’ll label that later this afternoon when I get back to it. Oh, then I
⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John forgot. Then
⏹️ ▶️ Marco it’s good. Then now we have like three wires that aren’t labeled. Or like, oh, let me just connect this real quick to
⏹️ ▶️ Marco test it. And then I’ll, you know, put the real wire in later with the real label. and then that time never comes.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Now, I did like, you know, I made like a diagram of the building and like
⏹️ ▶️ Marco what, you know, where each wire goes. Like I have like the main, I call them the trunk wires, the
⏹️ ▶️ Marco main like big ones that go like from kind of the sub switches to the main switch.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Those are labeled as, you know, trunk one, trunk two, trunk three. And I have a map. I have like a PDF that has
⏹️ ▶️ Marco like an overview map of the floor plan. And it labels where trunk one, trunk one, and trunk three, like
⏹️ ▶️ Marco where those go, where the switches are. Well, but now I have more switches than that. Do I go back and update that PDF?
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yes, and now I have it, but in six months or three years
⏹️ ▶️ Marco when something has to be added or changed or replaced, am I gonna go back and update that PDF? Probably not, if I can still
⏹️ ▶️ Marco even find it. Or you’re gonna be able
⏹️ ▶️ John to find that PDF, which is another problem with documenting things, then you have to remember where you put the documentation or whether
⏹️ ▶️ John it exists or what it was called or how it was organized.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Right, and if somebody down the road has to do this without me, are they gonna even know to
⏹️ ▶️ Marco look for something like that? Probably not. They’re probably gonna just look at the system the way it is and figure
⏹️ ▶️ Marco it out as best as they can. You know, and that’s one example where like, it’s kind of hard to run everything new.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco You know, your example like AV receiver wiring, John’s right, the only way to ever edit
⏹️ ▶️ Marco AV receiver wiring is to disconnect everything, pull it all out, and do it all again.
⏹️ ▶️ John And you probably should, because there’s probably wires that are no longer connected to anything that have been behind your TV for years.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Almost certainly. and you should at least vacuum everything back there. So, you know, that’s, I feel like
⏹️ ▶️ Marco the answer really is, like, you do your best, every system kind of breaks down over time,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco and you figure it out. And if it’s irritating you on a frequent basis, then you put a new system in.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco You know, you label everything all from scratch. You know, you take a day, you test all your circuit breakers, and you figure out what goes to what, and
⏹️ ▶️ Marco you label them all. Odds are, it won’t be that important to you ever. Like, odds are, that day will never
⏹️ ▶️ Marco come that that’s a good idea for you to spend your time doing that. And you’ll just plow through and it’ll be fine.
⏹️ ▶️ John And there is an anti-pattern to watch out for here for like, I think what we’re representing is kind of like
⏹️ ▶️ John middle of the road, a lot of people kind of live their lives this way. There are people
⏹️ ▶️ John who care much more about this process. And if it’s not a hobby, if
⏹️ ▶️ John it’s a hobby for you and you enjoy it, fine, whatever. But like some people feel like they need to laboriously,
⏹️ ▶️ John carefully document every aspect of their lives. And almost certainly if it is not a thing
⏹️ ▶️ John that they enjoy in a hobby, they are burning time that could be better used doing something else. Like you
⏹️ ▶️ John have to prioritize. Not everything deserves the level of careful documentation
⏹️ ▶️ John based on its value of like, essentially, will I ever have to refer to this? Will this ever
⏹️ ▶️ John be useful in the future? Again, if you’re not doing it as just like a fun thing that you like to do and this is your hobby, but you’re
⏹️ ▶️ John doing it because of like a concern that like I might need this again, maybe try to keep track for a
⏹️ ▶️ John year of how many things that you spend time carefully documenting have value
⏹️ ▶️ John in the future. Do you ever refer back to that? Do you ever think to yourself, boy, I wish I knew how x, y and z did
⏹️ ▶️ John it? Oh, thank goodness. And the thing is, if that happens once, you’re like, oh, that means my entire
⏹️ ▶️ John year full of doing this was worthwhile. But if you just look back at one thing you documented 100, like,
⏹️ ▶️ John think about it like so there you can go what I’m saying is you can go too far in the other direction to obviously not documenting anything
⏹️ ▶️ John and not having keeping track of anything and having things leave your head the second you do them is not ideal, but the reverse is also
⏹️ ▶️ John not ideal where you feel like you have to spend hours and hours documenting everything and you refer back to one
⏹️ ▶️ John out of those 100 things on a yearly basis. So somewhere in the middle is probably right. I’m not saying I’m the right amount
⏹️ ▶️ John or any of us are. I think I’m probably more on the I should probably be documenting a little bit more than I am. But
⏹️ ▶️ John be aware that that spectrum exists and sort of be aware of your place on it and see if you can
⏹️ ▶️ John find peace with that.
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Tariff plans?
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Alright, so here in the US and the world, we’re
⏹️ ▶️ Marco kind of messing with the entire global economy. We, as Casey said earlier, we’re sorry
⏹️ ▶️ Marco for what our country is doing. Forgive us as best as you can. So you know,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco we’re in the era right now of like these, you know, the Trump tariffs, you know, hitting the
⏹️ ▶️ Marco economy and today he is delaying them for 90 days because of course, You
⏹️ ▶️ Marco know, what we need is more uncertainty from this administration.
⏹️ ▶️ John That’s the whole thing about this situation, is we’re recording this at like, you know, 10 p.m. on Wednesday,
⏹️ ▶️ John April 9th. By the time you listen to this, who knows? We can’t possibly say
⏹️ ▶️ John anything that is relevant to like, oh, here’s what’s happening, what you should do. But just, uncertainty is the key word here.
⏹️ ▶️ John We have no idea what’s gonna happen.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah, it’s chaos, is the word. It’s just constant chaos. And,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco you know, obviously there’s a lot of political angles to this, But what I wanted to cover here, which was I think more directly
⏹️ ▶️ Marco relevant for our show, is how do we think the tariffs
⏹️ ▶️ Marco are going to affect tech products and what we might do or
⏹️ ▶️ Marco have done as a reaction to that? So my feeling is, again,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco this is going to be chaos. We don’t know what is going to happen. We don’t
⏹️ ▶️ Marco know how it’s going to all end up. But what we do know is that the era
⏹️ ▶️ Marco of like, I’m pretty sure, you know, like I think it’s gonna be very similar to early COVID.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco When like supply chains are thrown into chaos, things have
⏹️ ▶️ Marco ripple effects, like, you know, it might seem okay now, but then like for some reason in six months,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco you can’t get a car, cause everything, there’s some shortage or something. Like there’s gonna be stuff like that that happens. Cause our supply
⏹️ ▶️ Marco chains, as we learned during COVID, like our supply chains are very fragile.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Like everything has been optimized to the ends of the earth. And so everything is like
⏹️ ▶️ Marco interlinked and optimized and there’s no slack anywhere in the system. And so when you have like big shocks
⏹️ ▶️ Marco to it or big unpredictability to it, you can have weird ripple effects that are bigger than you think they’ll
⏹️ ▶️ Marco be or that are further in the future than you think they would be. And so
⏹️ ▶️ Marco what I think this affects for us as tech fans is pricing
⏹️ ▶️ Marco and availability of hardware. I think that that is like the number one thing that we will see that’s relevant
⏹️ ▶️ Marco to us as nerds, besides global economic changes. But
⏹️ ▶️ Marco how this will hit nerds specifically, I think is hardware pricing and availability.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco So I’m wondering, do the two of you, have you considered this and have you
⏹️ ▶️ Marco maybe made any decisions or plans as a result?
⏹️ ▶️ John I have. This was an easy one for me. As soon as, I mean, I should have actually done this sooner, but
⏹️ ▶️ John being a procrastinator, I just waited until it was like, Oh yeah, I meant to do this. My
⏹️ ▶️ John daughter is a senior in high school. She’ll be going off to college in the fall.
⏹️ ▶️ John I knew I was gonna get her a new laptop for college. I knew exactly which laptop it was gonna be, M4 MacBook Air,
⏹️ ▶️ John as discussed on the program. That machine has already been released. She’s not going off to college
⏹️ ▶️ John until September. But like, what am I waiting for to buy it? And I kept saying, I should probably just get that. Like,
⏹️ ▶️ John I always plan to get it a little bit early because I’m gonna use it on my Long Island vacation as my photo computer.
⏹️ ▶️ John as these, you know, whatever, as it became more likely
⏹️ ▶️ John that the various random things our idiot president was saying about tariffs were actually going to result in some
⏹️ ▶️ John kind of action for some period of time, I said, you know what? There’s no reason for
⏹️ ▶️ John me to wait. There’s not going to be a better, different computer that comes out between now and September that
⏹️ ▶️ John I need to get. And by the way, because my son is also in college, I can just use his student discount,
⏹️ ▶️ John which actually isn’t that great these days. discounts. Let me tell you kids, college discounts on Macs used to be amazing. Now
⏹️ ▶️ John they’re just like, eh. Anyway, I used his college student discount to get my
⏹️ ▶️ John daughter’s M4 MacBook Air and I bought it now just because first of all, like I knew I was going to buy like custom
⏹️ ▶️ John config, like I’m getting more RAM and blah, blah, blah. Like it’s not just like a stock one. So I can’t just go to an Apple store and get it.
⏹️ ▶️ John And like, what’s going to happen? Availability price, it’s uncertainty is entirely up in the
⏹️ ▶️ John air. And so this wasn’t even a difficult choice because sometimes it would be like like for replacing my
⏹️ ▶️ John Mac. It’s like, oh, what am I even going to replace it with? I don’t even know. Maybe I should wait to see what machines come out. No, this was a no brainer.
⏹️ ▶️ John M4 MacBook Air. She was getting one. I knew she was getting one before they released that machine. I’m like 100% you’re getting an M4
⏹️ ▶️ John MacBook Air. So I bought one. It’s going to be delivered on Monday. I
⏹️ ▶️ John bought it. I ordered it like a week or so ago, and I think it is one of those when you buy custom ones, don’t they all ship
⏹️ ▶️ John from China these days? I think so. They’re not in stock anyway. It’s it’s custom. It’s got more RAM than normal.
⏹️ ▶️ John it’s silver, whatever. That is arriving. That is the only thing I’ve done so
⏹️ ▶️ John far because this year is not my phone year. I’ve got a 16 Pro and I buy a phone every other year.
⏹️ ▶️ John So I’m not looking to buy a phone this year, but this is my wife’s phone year. And it could be that she skips
⏹️ ▶️ John this year if it turns out the phones are either not available or horrendously expensive because she’s got
⏹️ ▶️ John a 15 Pro and it’s perfectly fine. She’s on a two year schedule as well. So there’s
⏹️ ▶️ John some uncertainty about that. But the only thing I’ve actively done was I moved up the purchase of a computer
⏹️ ▶️ John that I was already going to buy. Not because I think necessarily anything
⏹️ ▶️ John is going to happen, but that’s the whole thing. It’s uncertainty. Nobody has any idea from day to day what’s going to happen, which
⏹️ ▶️ John is terrible. And again, we apologize to the world. It’s terrible for everybody. Uh, but that was one
⏹️ ▶️ John thing that I could do, which seems like a big thing. It’s like, Oh, you made this pretty expensive purchase, but again, I was going to make it anyway, but
⏹️ ▶️ John so far that’s the only thing I’ve done.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Yeah. I haven’t done anything yet. Um, I, Although it did occur to me earlier today, like a few hours ago,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey that. Uh, I’m really glad that the fridges died when they did,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey because I have no idea if those came
⏹️ ▶️ Casey China or if they were, if the, if there will be more brought to the States, I mean, it, it would have been a
⏹️ ▶️ Casey total mess. Um, no, I, I don’t have too much to say
⏹️ ▶️ Casey about the tariffs. Um, I don’t properly understand.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey I don’t think I really understand what the goals are and I’m not sure that the government does either. It just
⏹️ ▶️ Casey seems like a measuring contest to me and I’m not sure that we’re winning, but that’s
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Does anyone ever win when that’s
⏹️ ▶️ Marco, Casey really the, when that’s, that’s
⏹️ ▶️ Marco the, the dynamic there’s everyone’s losing.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey A hundred percent, but no, I haven’t made any purchases. There was nothing that I was
⏹️ ▶️ Casey looking to purchase that I thought I need to accelerate. Like I’m not looking to buy a car right now.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Um, I I’m not looking for any new computer equipment. Presumably I would
⏹️ ▶️ Casey be getting a phone this September, I guess, maybe if it’s not $3,000. Um,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey I, I personally perceive it as part of my job to get a new phone
⏹️ ▶️ Casey every year so I can talk about it. Also, it’s convenient because I really like new, new stuff,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey but, um, I might take the John approach this year because I think it’s well within the realm of acceptability
⏹️ ▶️ Casey to buy a, you know, $1,500 phone on an annual basis. Because I genuinely, as much as I snark,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey I genuinely believe that it makes a show better by two thirds of us getting a new
⏹️ ▶️ Casey phone every year. Um, but maybe I would say no this year,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey if it’s really, you know, two X the cost, then I don’t know what I would do. And we’ll cross that bridge when we get there.
⏹️ ▶️ John I mean, you could, you could end up getting, for example, the non-pro phone, if that saves any money. Like we have no idea
⏹️ ▶️ John what’s going to happen, but it is, it is something that we’re thinking about. And like, I think we’ve seen a lot of questions about
⏹️ ▶️ John this, like ATP related questions, like, Hey, what should I do about purchasing stuff? And
⏹️ ▶️ John the few times I’ve responded to people on this, I’ve basically said, like, there’s no, like, we can’t
⏹️ ▶️ John give any advice. Like there’s no plan or thing that you should do other than like the,
⏹️ ▶️ John uh, this type of thing that I did, which is like, you were going to do this anyway. Just move it up. Like, if it’s
⏹️ ▶️ John not, if you have the money now and you were going to get this, you know, exactly what computer you were going to get. Like that’s
⏹️ ▶️ John that’s the only thing that’s actual. Everything else is 100% speculative, because honestly, we can’t give
⏹️ ▶️ John it any advice like, oh, if you care about something, you should buy it now. Because what? Because you know what’s going to happen
⏹️ ▶️ John this whole year. We don’t know what’s going to happen tomorrow. Like, OK, so you should definitely get a new fridge if your fridge is old, because
⏹️ ▶️ John you’re not going to be able to get fridges. We don’t know that. We have no idea what’s going to like. It’s just it is
⏹️ ▶️ John like over the beginning of COVID. It was like nobody has any idea what the next day will bring. So there actually is
⏹️ ▶️ John not. unfortunately, there’s not any obvious advice. Like it’s not even obvious advice to say
⏹️ ▶️ John you should buy things that you think are going to be expensive later, because like maybe that’s just
⏹️ ▶️ John causing you to make a purchase that you wouldn’t have made otherwise. Right. And especially with tech products, like half of the things we talk about in the show
⏹️ ▶️ John is like, is this the time to buy product X? Right. I’m going to say this is
⏹️ ▶️ John not the time to buy an M3 Ultramax studio for the same reason as we discussed
⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco in the show.
⏹️ ▶️ John Unless you really, really know you need it. It’s and nothing about the uncertainty of the future changes
⏹️ ▶️ John that. Like, so don’t be careful about like, I don’t know, like panicking or like doing
⏹️ ▶️ John something that you would otherwise not do because you think you know what the future will hold. Nobody knows.
⏹️ ▶️ John Uh, and it could cause you to like, cause if it turns out like, Oh, I was worried about which tech product going to get,
⏹️ ▶️ John but it turns out I can’t get potable water anymore. Suddenly the fact that you pre-purchased an M3, uh, ultra
⏹️ ▶️ John max studio doesn’t look like such a wise decision. Like we don’t know what the next thing is going to be. Oh,
⏹️ ▶️ John remember when the bees invaded and like, Oh, we don’t have enough bees to invade. I should pick another analogy. Sorry.
⏹️ ▶️ John Climate change. Anyway, uh, like this is the, this is the problem, the situation there
⏹️ ▶️ John actually isn’t much actionable advice that you can give. And if you see anyone
⏹️ ▶️ John saying with certainty that you should do X, Y, and Z, that you weren’t going to do before because they know that
⏹️ ▶️ John what the future will hold, they
⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco don’t, nobody knows. It’s terrible.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Well, I chose, I, I chose to buy a laptop. I mean, that’s like, what did
⏹️ ▶️ John buy? That’s Marcos solution to everything.
⏹️ ▶️ John I think I have a head cold. I might buy a laptop.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Yeah. New underwear might be laptop time.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco No. So basically, yeah. I went to my family this past weekend.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Like on Friday, as it was becoming apparent this past weekend, like, oh, stuff’s going to
⏹️ ▶️ Marco go bad on Monday probably. Things were going that direction. So I went
⏹️ ▶️ Marco to the family and I’m like, hey, is there any technology that we think needs to
⏹️ ▶️ Marco be replaced this year? Let’s look at it and see what we we can maybe buy right now.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Like, how’s your old iPad doing? Like, how’s the battery lasting on that? You know, stuff like that. Like, look
⏹️ ▶️ Marco around. Like, do you need a new iPad or laptop anytime soon? Like, this is probably gonna be,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco like this could be a dicey situation for pricing, availability, or both. So like,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco hey, what do we need? And for the most part, like
⏹️ ▶️ Marco everything, you know, you start looking around, like, well, this looks fine. Like, you know, this iPad, you know, this ancient iPad, like the battery
⏹️ ▶️ Marco doesn’t last very long, but we don’t use it that much, it’s probably fine. You know, so for the most part, everything was like
⏹️ ▶️ Marco pretty good. The one thing I decided to,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco you know, send my M2 MacBook Air down the line of hand-me-downs to a different role
⏹️ ▶️ Marco and try out the M4 MacBook Pro with the anti-glare,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco the, what do they call it, nanotexture screen, which will solve some of my train and
⏹️ ▶️ Marco ferry usage problems in the sunlight. And that’s it. So I got like a pretty low spec
⏹️ ▶️ Marco M4 MacBook Pro, the 14 inch one. And the regular M4 series, not the M4
⏹️ ▶️ John I’ll be interesting for you to report on that because I’m not entirely sure nanotexture will
⏹️ ▶️ John actually help you with your sun situation. I guess it depends on whether what you
⏹️ ▶️ John are being distracted by reflections versus having sun fall on the
⏹️ ▶️ John screen at an oblique angle, in which case the nanotexture may make that worse by raising all the black levels. But
⏹️ ▶️ John anyway, you’ll report back and let us know how it
⏹️ ▶️ Marco goes. Yeah, I mean, the reality is it’ll probably be an improvement in both ways because in addition, you know,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco when you compare it to the MacBook Air screen, in addition to it having the Air Texture as an option, it’s also way
⏹️ ▶️ Marco brighter at the max setting. Yeah, that is probably gonna make the biggest difference. Yeah, so like, you know, right now, like
⏹️ ▶️ Marco when I’m using my MacBook Air on the train or on the ferry, it’s almost always at max brightness. And even
⏹️ ▶️ Marco then, it’s like I’m kind of squinting sometimes, like, oh, I really need a little more, you know, to comfortable usage here.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco So that’s why I think like, let me give it a try. And
⏹️ ▶️ John try those utilities that let you like turn, like go above,
⏹️ ▶️ John think the limit is like 700 nits now, but you can bring the whole screen up to 1600. I think you’ll be able to see that pretty well, but it’ll
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah, well, it’ll be really hot. Battery will last like two hours at most. Small price
⏹️ ▶️ Marco to pay. But yeah, and I think, as John was saying, like I think, you know, for listeners, I think
⏹️ ▶️ Marco that is probably, you know, the right move is like, look at what you’re gonna need for like the rest of the year.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco and anything where the price isn’t really going to change or it’s not
⏹️ ▶️ Marco about to be updated in some major way that you care about, consider maybe buying that right now.
⏹️ ▶️ John you already knew what you were gonna get. Yeah,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco exactly. If you’re like, oh, yeah, John, your situation was a perfect example. I’m gonna buy a MacBook Air this
⏹️ ▶️ Marco summer, maybe buy it now, that kind of thing. Where I’m like, oh, this laptop, I’m probably gonna
⏹️ ▶️ Marco replace this laptop in the next few months. You know what, the next, yeah, the M5 version is coming out in
⏹️ ▶️ Marco the fall maybe, but like the M4 to M5 probably isn’t, like it isn’t rumored to be that big of
⏹️ ▶️ Marco a deal. Whereas the M6 one is rumored to be a big deal, but that’s a couple of years off probably still.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco So like, you know, like, okay, I’ll get the M4 one now, see how it goes and, you know, figure that out later.
⏹️ ▶️ John The only caveat I’ll add on this is that if you are moving a purchase up on the calendar to like do it sooner than you
⏹️ ▶️ John expected to, and you don’t already have the money saved up for it.
⏹️ ▶️ John Well, yeah. Think twice, because that again gets back to my thing of like, well, what if two months from now I don’t have potable
⏹️ ▶️ John water, right? Like conservation of resources. Like, yes,
⏹️ ▶️ John if you, you know, you may say, this is a no brainer. I was gonna get this laptop anyway, but actually I have two more months where I’m saving money for it. And
⏹️ ▶️ John I don’t actually have the money now at all, but I can dip into savings a little bit to get this sooner. Are you gonna regret that
⏹️ ▶️ John if you need that savings later in the water wars? You just like think,
⏹️ ▶️ John that’s what I’m saying about the uncertainty. Like it’s a no brainer for me because I already have the money set aside for it.
⏹️ ▶️ John It’s like, you know, it didn’t, there was literally no impact, but if there’s any impact, think
⏹️ ▶️ John twice about it. Because even though that’s like, quote unquote, a sensible thing to do from a tech purchase
⏹️ ▶️ John perspective, our tech purchase is going to be the most important thing to you. And X number of months or years,
⏹️ ▶️ John there’s so much uncertainty about just the basic functioning of society that it’s hard to know.
⏹️ ▶️ John Like, it’s hard to recommend people to move up tech purchases unless they’re sure
⏹️ ▶️ John that they have the means to cover that. and it’s not impacting their monthly budget
⏹️ ▶️ John in an adverse way. And they’re like, oh, we’ll make up for it later. Will you? What about when your government contracts that
⏹️ ▶️ John used to fund the company you work for go away and you don’t have a job anymore?
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah. But even in an optimistic scenario where
⏹️ ▶️ Marco a lot of this stuff gets never-minded away, as so many of these terrible government things
⏹️ ▶️ Marco do, even then we’re still going to have chaos. We’re still going to have unpredictability.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco We’re going to have fluctuations. You already because of people doing what John and I did. This already like runs
⏹️ ▶️ Marco on certain products like we’re getting reports like Apple stores are really crowded. Everyone’s like, you know, rushing
⏹️ ▶️ Marco in to buy whatever they need like right now because they know that it might not be available in a few months or whatever like
⏹️ ▶️ Marco and I think one thing to consider too is like Apple is actually pretty
⏹️ ▶️ Marco well positioned to play the tricks required to
⏹️ ▶️ Marco not be hit too hard by this. Now one thing’s for sure. But Apple will not give up margin.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco They will not just make less money. We know that. Like, that option is off the table.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco There’s no way Apple’s gonna just suck up tariffs and just make less money. But
⏹️ ▶️ Marco they have the resources to play a lot of tricks to optimize the system, not only through just direct
⏹️ ▶️ Marco butt-kissing and bribing our dictator, which they are happy
⏹️ ▶️ Marco to do and are doing. But also, they can do tricks like, well, we’re
⏹️ ▶️ Marco going to take these parts that were made in China, we’re going to first send them to India and then send them to, you know, they can
⏹️ ▶️ Marco do tricks like that, like kind of arbitrage the system and work different angles so that they don’t quite
⏹️ ▶️ Marco pay the full tariffs. But rest assured, if Apple’s costs
⏹️ ▶️ Marco go up to Apple, they will absolutely pass it on to us. There is no way
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Apple is just going to sit back and accept lower margins. So if that system
⏹️ ▶️ Marco does hit Apple, we will definitely see higher prices. But Apple has
⏹️ ▶️ Marco the resources to dodge and weave and play politics in this area.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I think this is more likely to have a bigger hit on other companies, especially
⏹️ ▶️ Marco smaller companies. So if there’s something made from foreign parts, which is
⏹️ ▶️ Marco many things for many good reasons, but if something is made from foreign parts that you are looking to get maybe
⏹️ ▶️ Marco in the near future, that especially from a smaller company or a less
⏹️ ▶️ Marco high profile company than like a big tech giant. It
⏹️ ▶️ John doesn’t have to be a small company. It’s low margin products like televisions are notoriously low margin products these days,
⏹️ ▶️ John huge companies make TVs, but the margin on TV sets, unless you’re buying one of the very highest end of one of a
⏹️ ▶️ John few brands, the margins are so low, which is why they bombard you with ads. That low margin product
⏹️ ▶️ John is going to be impacted way more than a high margin product that potentially manufacturers could absorb some
⏹️ ▶️ John amount. And by the way, on that topic, I saw at least one person. So I’ve been at Benedict Evans doing the math saying that,
⏹️ ▶️ John again, this was days ago, so who knows what numbers they were using, but that Apple
⏹️ ▶️ John literally can’t absorb the tariffs on the iPhone. They would lose money
⏹️ ▶️ John on each one they sold if they tried to absorb them. Because he did the math on price of parts and blah, blah, blah. And I don’t know how accurate his
⏹️ ▶️ John math was, because nobody really knows what the real number is here. But it’s within the realm of possibility, especially given
⏹️ ▶️ John the ever increasing tariffs on China, that
⏹️ ▶️ John Apple could not absorb, even if they wanted to, which they don’t, they
⏹️ ▶️ John could not absorb them because they would be losing hundreds of dollars in every phone sold and that’s not good business.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah, exactly. But even if they can do some trick where it’s like, well, we
⏹️ ▶️ Marco worked the system such that our 38% hardware margin is now gonna be like 30%.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco No, they won’t accept that. They will, believe me, they will raise prices. Like, there’s no way Apple will make
⏹️ ▶️ Marco less money. Like, I guarantee you that. Rest assured, like, if these tariffs end up happening
⏹️ ▶️ Marco and affecting Apple, we will pay higher prices, no question. And of course, I mean, we’re gonna have massive inflation
⏹️ ▶️ Marco no matter what, but anyway, you know, look at smaller things that you’re looking at. Like, if you
⏹️ ▶️ Marco wanna like replace, you know, like a Kindle or something, I mean, you know, or like, you know,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco some like, you know, boutique electronic thing that you’re getting off of, you know, a smaller maker, like
⏹️ ▶️ Marco place that order now. If you were, if you were going to wait on it a little bit, like maybe do that now, because the smaller
⏹️ ▶️ Marco the manufacturer, the more likely it is for them to have their costs
⏹️ ▶️ Marco go up significantly and for them not to be able to dodge and weave and play tricks to avoid them. Um,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco and similarly, you know, what Casey said earlier, that matters a lot. Like if you maybe have like an important
⏹️ ▶️ Marco household appliance or a car that you think needs to be replaced
⏹️ ▶️ Marco like in the near future, that might get harder. Um, and so maybe
⏹️ ▶️ Marco do what you can to maybe, you know, explore some options for that, like yesterday, like
⏹️ ▶️ Marco really like that, that could, that could really hurt in the future.
⏹️ ▶️ John Even if it was like, well, in a year we’re thinking of getting a new car. It’s rather than buying a new car now,
⏹️ ▶️ John maybe buying a used car now, because you don’t have the money for a new car, but like in two years,
⏹️ ▶️ John maybe used cars will be impossible to find and cost a whole jillion dollars. Like there’s so much uncertainty about
⏹️ ▶️ John everything, not just like, oh, new fancy tech products, but like, I mean, just look at the egg situation. Like
⏹️ ▶️ John everything is connected and you have no idea what’s going to be the thing that you didn’t think about. That like, so it’s,
⏹️ ▶️ John again, if you, if you really super duper need a car, don’t run out and buy the new car that you were still saving money
⏹️ ▶️ John for. But like, if you, you know, this is all just speculative. If you think, if you’re worried, like, I
⏹️ ▶️ John don’t, I don’t want to be in a situation two years from now where I can’t get a car for the amount of money that I saved, but I can
⏹️ ▶️ John get a used car now for the amount of money I’ve saved. Maybe you think of that as an option, but it’s just so hard to give concrete
⏹️ ▶️ John advice because we just all have no idea what the next day will bring.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah, and if you have something that’s like in pretty good shape right now, but could use some kind
⏹️ ▶️ Marco of maintenance or repair to extend its lifetime by a lot, like a battery replacement
⏹️ ▶️ Marco on an older electronic device, or like, you know, replace like the
⏹️ ▶️ Marco junction box in your car or whatever, you know, some kind of like if there’s something where you can like you can repair
⏹️ ▶️ Marco something that works fine otherwise and extend its lifetime for months or years in the future.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco This is probably really going to do that because like the the greatest time to
⏹️ ▶️ Marco have a really well-functioning car that you own outright is right now
⏹️ ▶️ Marco because you whatever happens to that market, you know, there’s going to be ups and downs
⏹️ ▶️ Marco and you won’t be in that market anytime soon. If you’re in that kind of situation. So like that, like when,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco like that, that’s how it was, you know, during the, the COVID car crisis too, like that was a really good time to
⏹️ ▶️ Marco own a car and not need to be shopping for one. This is probably going to bring that level of uncertainty
⏹️ ▶️ Marco or something like it. Start optimizing for it now and start thinking like, okay, whatever you can extend
⏹️ ▶️ Marco the life of extend the life of it. And if you need to replace something, replace it while
⏹️ ▶️ Marco it’s plentiful and not when everyone else needs to do it and there’s nothing on the shelves.