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501: Torsional Rigidity Check

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  1. Relay FM Feuding Families
  2. Donate to St. Jude
  3. Movie Club: The Rundown (2003)
  4. Sponsor: Trade Coffee
  5. Follow-up: Apple Pay addresses
  6. iPhone 14 repairability design
  7. US iPhone 14s have SIM spacer
  8. iPhone 14 Pro cases
  9. Sponsor: Linode
  10. Casey’sCableCard
  11. Blue-blocking glasses
  12. Apple’s iPhone upgrade guide
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  14. Our iPhones 14 Pro
  15. Apple Watch Series 8
  16. Special ending theme
  17. Car-watch 🖼️

Relay FM Feuding Families

⏹️ ▶️ Casey I participated, and this is actually going to tie into our other part of the pre-show, but I participated in

⏹️ ▶️ Casey the podcast-a-thon, the RelayFM podcast-a-thon, to raise money for St. Jude. We’re

⏹️ ▶️ Casey going to talk more about that in a moment. And as part of that, myself and a handful of other Relay hosts

⏹️ ▶️ Casey played RelayFM Feuding Families. And we played, you know, a game that

⏹️ ▶️ Casey might be like a television show you may have seen. We had various questions, some of which I was prepared for, some of which I

⏹️ ▶️ Casey was not. The final question in the Feuding Families, however, was something that was quite

⏹️ ▶️ Casey funny. And I have to ask, Marco, let me start with you. Did you happen to have the chance to see this

⏹️ ▶️ Casey segment of the, what was it, six hour, eight hour, eight hour podcast-a-thon? Sadly, I did not.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey OK, well, you missed a true gem. I mean, the whole thing was great. You should watch all of it. But this in particular was

⏹️ ▶️ Casey excellent. The final question, just to finish this up, is name something

⏹️ ▶️ Casey that is important, or that I would think, in other words, name something that John Syracuse cares about. And

⏹️ ▶️ Casey imagine me just losing it when that question was asked. Because of the three of us,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey I was the only one participating in the Feuding Families. I was rolling, listening

⏹️ ▶️ Casey to that question. Uh, the answers, if you would like to be spoiled, and we will put a timestamp link

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, John in the show notes.

⏹️ ▶️ John I think you might have to explain the premise of Family Feud briefly.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Well, I don’t know what Family Feud is about, because this

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, John definitely was not a… It’s a way to think,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey yes. Definitely distinct. But the idea with Feuding Families is the relay listeners,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey and anyone really could participate, but the relay listeners filled out a survey basically and filled out free-form

⏹️ ▶️ Casey answers to several different questions. Then Jason Snell, our game master,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey if you will, dungeon master since I lost actually, I was very sad, but anyway, Jason

⏹️ ▶️ Casey as our game master would assemble these, I think perhaps some other people helped him, but would assemble these answers

⏹️ ▶️ Casey and pick the top several. And the amount of people that What wrote in that answer

⏹️ ▶️ Casey is the amount of points you earn for guessing that answer. There’s two teams and each

⏹️ ▶️ Casey team would make a guess. Whichever team had the higher guess, this is not

⏹️ ▶️ Casey exactly how it works, but basically whichever team makes the higher guess gets to try to name all the different options.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey If they succeed, they get all the points. If they don’t name all the options, if they have three incorrect

⏹️ ▶️ Casey answers, then the other team gets a chance. If they name any of the remaining options, they steal

⏹️ ▶️ Casey all the points. And so we had in this case, one, two, three, four, five, six available

⏹️ ▶️ Casey answers to what does John Syracuse care about? And I was curious, John, what your

⏹️ ▶️ Casey thoughts were. I will go through the list now.

⏹️ ▶️ John Well, actually, did Marco already spoil yourself by looking at the show notes? No, I did not.

⏹️ ▶️ John All right. Well, so Marco should play the game. This is perfect. I love

⏹️ ▶️ Casey this.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, John Thank you, John. All right. What

⏹️ ▶️ Casey does John Syracuse care about?

⏹️ ▶️ John I remember the trick about this game and all and family feud that was on TV or whatever is it doesn’t

⏹️ ▶️ John matter what the actual answer is. It only matters what people who filled out the survey said. So if you if the survey was

⏹️ ▶️ John like name a fruit like most people would like pick an apple or something is their number one. Right. It’s the first thing that comes to mind.

⏹️ ▶️ John So you have to guess what most people said in the answer to this question not

⏹️ ▶️ John what I actually care about. Right.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco So I’m going to say I mean this might be too broad but Italian food.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco That’s one X.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, Casey Not even on the list. Are you

⏹️ ▶️ Marco able to tell me like is a particular one like tomato sauce? Like it like is is that just too

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John broad?

⏹️ ▶️ John Like the game Family Feud and Jason as hosts are both very generous

⏹️ ▶️ John in terms of letting you get close. There is nothing even close to that on here.

⏹️ ▶️ John So no Italian food is not a list. I we should do the thing that they do in the show that this is legally

⏹️ ▶️ John distinct from and the Jason does, which is you do. Survey says show me Italian food. and

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco then the big red

⏹️ ▶️ John X comes because you didn’t get it. All right. I can’t believe you’re doing this badly because you don’t have

⏹️ ▶️ John any of the six. You just have to pick one of the top six for the listeners pick and you came up with Italian food.

⏹️ ▶️ John I mean, that’s a reasonable guess. Because these are people filling out a survey. Many of them might not even know

⏹️ ▶️ John who I am, but the ones that do probably know who I am from listening to podcasts.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Televisions.

⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey Number

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, Marco one

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, John answer. Number one choice. Boom, see,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey now you’re getting it. Now we’re getting

⏹️ ▶️ John somewhere, all right.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco 30 people said. All right, so I’m just gonna keep going until I lose or guess all six?

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John Yeah,

⏹️ ▶️ John until you get three X’s.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Right, yeah, okay, so yeah. All right, I’m gonna go with Apple.

⏹️ ▶️ John Not on the list, not gonna give you that one. Jason was very generous with this choice in the show, but no, Apple is not on the list.

⏹️ ▶️ John Good guess though, but no.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco So one of the things I thought of was movies, but I wonder if that’s included in, well, television’s a hardware thing. All right, I’m gonna

⏹️ ▶️ Marco say movies. Nope.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Is that two? Is that your

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, Marco third X? That’s two X’s.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco follow-up

⏹️ ▶️ Casey no

⏹️ ▶️ Marco no

⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey wow you’re

⏹️ ▶️ John doing so badly at this game I can remember not to be on feuding families of Marco my team is

⏹️ ▶️ John you are on a show with me only place people would know me from is listening to me on podcast

⏹️ ▶️ John all right forget about the game Marco name a bunch of stuff that I’m known for on the show just rattle them off

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I mean you make really good arguments I

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John mean you’re all about

⏹️ ▶️ Marco you know

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John the Mac Pro. All right, all right,

⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey check.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey I will give you I’ll give you half credit for the Mac Pro because yeah

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, John the one something having to do with the Mac

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco is a good yeah I mean

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I mean you’re all about Pearl.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John That’s a good guess that we

⏹️ ▶️ John just missed the list but that’s a good one.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah there’s of course file systems.

⏹️ ▶️ John That’s on the list that’s number six. All right, all right.

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco You’re the one

⏹️ ▶️ John who rings the bell you didn’t guess file systems. All right,

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco go on.

⏹️ ▶️ John No.

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco Cheese graters?

⏹️ ▶️ John Yes, that’s on

⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey list number three.

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco See

⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey how

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco much

⏹️ ▶️ John better you’re doing now that you’re not in whatever mental state you’re in for the game mode?

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Let’s see, other things. I mean, if it isn’t just limited to this show, you definitely care a lot

⏹️ ▶️ Marco about secret British people.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, Casey That’s true. That’s

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John only a recent development. People wouldn’t

⏹️ ▶️ John have known that. I mean, you’re doing OK here. But let’s just, since you already lost,

⏹️ ▶️ John let’s tell you the other ones. Toasters, number two. Oh, yeah. Come

⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey on.

⏹️ ▶️ John I mean, no, that’s not recent, but you remember you’re serving a bunch of people who may have listened to a podcast

⏹️ ▶️ John with me on it like once a long time ago, Toasters.

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco That’s

⏹️ ▶️ John number two, Cheez-Burrs is number three. Number four, you probably

⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey wouldn’t get. Game controllers?

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Excuse me, number four, I believe that was my pick if memory

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, John serves, thank you very

⏹️ ▶️ John much. Yeah, you didn’t get it. I’m gonna have your turn in a second. Number four

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco is fan

⏹️ ▶️ Marco noise. I mean, true, yes. I mean, yeah, that’s up there. I think I guessed things that are way

⏹️ ▶️ John more prominent than that. Yeah, but

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco that’s the secret of the list, right? That’s

⏹️ ▶️ John the secret of the game. Well, so here’s what you should have done, Casey, because as you noted in earlier rounds, sometimes the rounds

⏹️ ▶️ John were sort of focused on particular people’s expertise. Like they had a question about Microsoft stores and one team had

⏹️ ▶️ John one, maybe two Microsoft employees, right? So that’s unfair. There was a Pokemon question. Obviously there were

⏹️ ▶️ John people with varying degrees of Pokemon expertise, which may have helped or hurt them. But in the question about me,

⏹️ ▶️ John you are the expert, Casey. You’re right there. You’re on a podcast with me all the time. You could have guessed all of these. It’s just

⏹️ ▶️ John a question of narrowing it down. It’s like you were in the position of the Pokemon people where they know all the Pokemon.

⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey Yeah, exactly.

⏹️ ▶️ John Just a question of narrowing it down. You didn’t listen to Jason earlier when he said, hey, when your team

⏹️ ▶️ John has their turn, you can, if you want, rattle off a bunch of things that you’re thinking of,

⏹️ ▶️ John knowing full well that you’re giving hints to the other team, because if you named three things, right, and

⏹️ ▶️ John your team loses, the other team can just name those things that you listed, right? But you knew

⏹️ ▶️ John your team didn’t know me that well. I think one of the people didn’t even know me at all, right? So you should have given

⏹️ ▶️ John them other choices to choose from, especially when you had zero strikes. You just said, okay team, I know you guys don’t

⏹️ ▶️ John know John as well as I do, so what I’m thinking of is cheese graters, toasters, and

⏹️ ▶️ John file systems. And I know those sound weird to you, but those are three valid choices.

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco So-

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Instantly lunged for the bell

⏹️ ▶️ John again. Right, right. And so then you could have sent fan noise, and then that was correct. And

⏹️ ▶️ John then the rest of your team would have had three easy choices instead of coming up with the wrong answers that they came up with, because

⏹️ ▶️ John they have no idea who I am.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey So I’m presently, I wish I had saved this. I thought I had scanned it, but I didn’t. I’m rifling through my garbage. Oh, here it is.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Let me see what I actually wrote down during the recording, cause I was taking notes for myself.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey All right, here we go. What do I have here? I have, I can’t even read my own writing. Noise

⏹️ ▶️ Casey slash fans, file systems, cars, movies, Sprite, cheese graters.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey This was in no particular order, by the way. Redundancy, I think with regard to backups.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, John Yeah, back up

⏹️ ▶️ John someone to guess that. I can’t believe that wasn’t on the list. As Jason noted, Jason said, I think John cares more about that than

⏹️ ▶️ John is represented in this survey.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Game controllers, which I think Marco had mentioned.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, John Yeah, but too late.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey What does this say? Oh, Simpsons and pop culture references. That was my list of

⏹️ ▶️ Casey items.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, John It

⏹️ ▶️ John tails off pretty quickly. But this is a reasonable top six.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey So you begrudgingly approve or you just straight up

⏹️ ▶️ John approve? Yeah, so if we had to do it from Marco, ready? I’m going to do Marco here. Let’s

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco see. What would

⏹️ ▶️ John I say that the survey people would say? I would say.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco See, how am I supposed to judge this? Because we don’t have those sort of results.

⏹️ ▶️ John I know, I know. But it just got to name things that people would know about you.

⏹️ ▶️ John Things I care about. Yeah, right. I mean,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco fish. Yep, that’s way up there. I mean, I put it in the headers of our website, for God’s sake.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey I love that the three answers in the chat room, consistently between the three of them, spending

⏹️ ▶️ Casey money.

⏹️ ▶️ John There probably might have been something about that in there. but fish I would throw in there. Um,

⏹️ ▶️ John some people might say PHP just because it’s one of the things you’re known for.

⏹️ ▶️ John I wouldn’t say I care that much.

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco I know. I know.

⏹️ ▶️ John Um, but it’s like, what do people associate with you? Fancy watches, maybe. Yeah.

⏹️ ▶️ John I’m falling out of that. Yeah. What’s what would people say? What if they have to like, what’s on their

⏹️ ▶️ John index card for Marco? New York. Spending money. No headphones. Oh yeah. That’s an easy one.

⏹️ ▶️ John Um,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Pittsburgh is a deep cut. I don’t think that would be on the top list by any

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, Marco stretch. I

⏹️ ▶️ Marco mean, I loved living there, but that was a long time

⏹️ ▶️ John ago. And the difficult one is finding the Apple-related stuff. Would people say iPhone?

⏹️ ▶️ John Would they say the Mac?

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco Right, that’s why I kind of went with Apple.

⏹️ ▶️ John Right, iOS, stuff like that. Podcasting, podcasts, something

⏹️ ▶️ John like that.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Somebody said cars, and I reject that, because

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, Marco Marco

⏹️ ▶️ Casey drives an appliance now. He doesn’t drive a car anymore.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I will say, I had quite a lot of time in that appliance today, and I really

⏹️ ▶️ Marco quite enjoyed it. Well, I guess Casey’s talking about a Tesla, isn’t he?

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, Casey Yes. Sorry, I missed

⏹️ ▶️ Marco it. I was in the Land Rover all day. Which now, by the way, wears a watch, but that’s a separate story.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey The Land Rover wears a watch?

⏹️ ▶️ Marco That’s correct.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey I do want to unpack this at some point in the future.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, Marco So we’ll get to it in

⏹️ ▶️ Marco the watch discussion later.

⏹️ ▶️ John Oh, perfect, okay. All right, then, I guess, Marco, you do Casey now.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Oh, no. I thought I was gonna get away with this. How does somebody doing this for me not mention

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Fire Island and dogs.

⏹️ ▶️ John Dogs is so, like, who doesn’t love, oh, I like babies, I mean, okay, sure.

⏹️ ▶️ John Do you like dogs more than I like dogs? We both have one dog.

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco And I’ve owned more dogs than you.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I think so. I’ve seen, well, let’s see. You like babies more than I do, for sure.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey There’s not a human that likes babies more than John

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, Marco Stampede. I know.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I’m not super into babies. I think I like dogs more, but it’s a close call, because you

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John also love dogs, so yeah. I don’t

⏹️ ▶️ John think, everybody loves dogs. Who doesn’t love dogs?

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco Monsters love dogs. Monsters love dogs. A lot of people, I don’t

⏹️ ▶️ Marco know how they survive. Yeah, like what is their joy in life if not for dogs? Yeah,

⏹️ ▶️ John and I was trying to do it from a survey perspective. Like people might not know that much about you because

⏹️ ▶️ John it’s not like we talk about, you know, you mentioned your dog, but it’s not like you spend a lot of time dwelling on it on the show or whatever.

⏹️ ▶️ John So what’s Casey? Like, and again, these are the survey answers people would- Cars,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I get

⏹️ ▶️ John number one cars. Like that’s- Sure. I mean, I don’t know if that would be number one. I think number one might be Velveeta, but you

⏹️ ▶️ John know.

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco But

⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey you know Velveeta won’t be on the list, right?

⏹️ ▶️ Casey See, the thing is, I actually don’t care about Velveeta that

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, John much at all. I know, but it’s on your index card.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey But I 1000% agree that it would end up on the

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, John list. Because

⏹️ ▶️ John it’s like, it’s odd and it’s a thing that’s associated with you. No, I completely agree. Completely agree.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I’m going to say fatherhood. Oh, I appreciate that. That’s kind of me. Maybe. Because, you know, in part

⏹️ ▶️ Marco because you are super into it now, but even before you were were a father you were basically

⏹️ ▶️ Marco a dad like to the

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, Casey world you

⏹️ ▶️ Marco would like you were constantly emitting dad jokes and you know

⏹️ ▶️ Marco big

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John dad dad dad energy for bad

⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey jokes I’ll still take it as a car you’re

⏹️ ▶️ John not a dad that just called him bad jokes once you become a dad you have a new name for it but it’s the same humor

⏹️ ▶️ Casey I would take that I don’t know how that was meant but I’m gonna take it as a compliment so we can we can go on with

⏹️ ▶️ Marco that I’d also I got a throw in plex

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, Casey yep Plexus would be on there.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey That’s a good one.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, Marco That’s a good

⏹️ ▶️ Casey one. Yeah. I mean, but the Viber slap is for sonology, right?

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, John Yeah,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey directly.

⏹️ ▶️ John And you know, you have to think of yourself as a character on a TV show. So you’re looking for like catchphrases or things that come up,

⏹️ ▶️ John not necessarily things that are actually the most important to you or that you care about, but just that are odd enough that people would remember them

⏹️ ▶️ John and associate with them. So like Casey’s not super into Velveeta, but because we talk about it and we both don’t like it and

⏹️ ▶️ John he does, it becomes associated with him. So

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco anyway, that was a little game

⏹️ ▶️ John theory in case you’re ever on Feuding Families, which which is legally distinct from Family Feud.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Oh my word. All right, so why did we play Feuding Families? Thank you, John. That went a direction I was

⏹️ ▶️ Casey not expecting, but that was fun. Why did we play Feuding Families? Well, like I mentioned earlier, it was because that

⏹️ ▶️ Casey we were trying to raise money for St. Jude Children’s Research Hospital. So here’s the thing. You have

⏹️ ▶️ Casey at least one dollar, probably more than one, but at least one. And they would like to

⏹️ ▶️ Casey accept that dollar and put it to good use. And maybe, maybe that one dollar

⏹️ ▶️ Casey will be the $1 that just tips them over the edge in being able to

⏹️ ▶️ Casey fund the cure for childhood cancer. Yeah, it may not happen, but you never know! You never

⏹️ ▶️ Casey know. It could be your $1. So here’s the thing. You’ve got a dollar, maybe several, maybe hundreds,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey maybe even thousands, and they would like to accept that one, several, or hundreds, or thousands

⏹️ ▶️ Casey at And if you can, and if you

⏹️ ▶️ Casey would like, you can throw a little bit of money towards St. Jude Children’s Research Hospital. Why St. Jude, you ask?

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Well, thank you for asking. It’s because their mission, which has been going on for 60

⏹️ ▶️ Casey years, is to have no child pass away from childhood cancer.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey And they have made tremendous, tremendous strides in these last 60 years. I don’t have the figures in front of me,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey but they’ve absolutely flipped the ratios from being absolutely terrible to

⏹️ ▶️ Casey at at least okay, which is a humongous improvement, if not actually good. So they

⏹️ ▶️ Casey are working tirelessly to try to end childhood cancer. The research that they do, they share

⏹️ ▶️ Casey with the world, so this isn’t just an American thing. Yes, the American health care system is utterly and

⏹️ ▶️ Casey probably forever broken, but that’s not the only thing that St. Jude does. They help all of their

⏹️ ▶️ Casey families, even international families, and they share all their research, and they do this without charging

⏹️ ▶️ Casey families a dime, which is really incredible, especially here in America. So, please go to

⏹️ ▶️ Casey slash ATP and throw a little bit of money their way. Also, I would like to do

⏹️ ▶️ Casey a little bit of quick follow-up with regard to St. Jude. Guillaume has been located and stickers have already been dispatched.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey In fact, they may have already arrived. He was the individual, is as far as I know,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey the individual leader for individual donations and we still also want to

⏹️ ▶️ Casey send one more thanks to the fine folks at 1Password who are far and away the group leaders,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey but Guillaume was the individual leader, so thank you, and stickers have been dispatched

⏹️ ▶️ Casey already, like I said, probably already there. So,

Movie Club: The Rundown (2003)

⏹️ ▶️ Casey That being said, we have one more piece of housekeeping. We also have another episode of

⏹️ ▶️ Casey ATP Movie Club for members. If you are not a member, you can go to slash

⏹️ ▶️ Casey join, and you can become a member, and you will get all of the episodes of ATP Movie Club. We are going to do three.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey There’s one already released. By the time you hear this, there will probably be a second. And this time,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey it is my turn to pick a movie. And we spent some time on the episode discussing why

⏹️ ▶️ Casey I picked this movie, if I’m not mistaken. We recorded it a couple of weeks ago now. but I believe we did. If

⏹️ ▶️ Casey we need to, we can cover that another time. But suffice to say, I did not choose what everyone

⏹️ ▶️ Casey expected, The Hunt for October. And instead, I chose the, what is it, 2003?

⏹️ ▶️ Casey I should have this in front of me. I think it’s 2003, classic, absolute classic,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey starring Dwayne Johnson and Sean William Scott, The Rundown.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Absolutely, without a shadow of a doubt, a modern classic. So if you would like to hear me and Marco and

⏹️ ▶️ Casey John discuss the modern classic, the 2003 film, The Rundown. Check it out at

⏹️ ▶️ Casey slash join. Oh, and we should also do one more minor piece of housekeeping. Marco, do you want to talk about

⏹️ ▶️ Casey the bootleg versus non-bootleg, et cetera, feeds with regard to the movie club? Please and thank you.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Oh, yeah, so since this is the very first premium member content

⏹️ ▶️ Marco we ever published, a bunch of weird edge cases and questions came up as we were doing it, and a couple of CMS

⏹️ ▶️ Marco bugs even that I fixed, but anyway. So the debate,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco the question came, should this be in the bootleg feed? Because the bootleg contains

⏹️ ▶️ Marco the unedited live streams of the show, and there was no unedited live stream of the member specials.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Like it’s just, there’s only an edited version. And so at first the CMS

⏹️ ▶️ Marco was unintentionally written, quote, written to only put

⏹️ ▶️ Marco it in the main feed, but many members subscribe only to the bootleg feed because that’s just how they prefer

⏹️ ▶️ Marco to listen to the show. they prefer the unedited show. And so once I fix the glitch,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco there’s actually a bug, an unintended behavior that it was leaving those out, now these

⏹️ ▶️ Marco will appear in both feeds. So the only inconvenience is if you happen to subscribe to both

⏹️ ▶️ Marco the member ad free feed and the bootleg feed, you will get two copies,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco one on each feed. But I think most people pick one or the other and don’t usually subscribe to both,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco and that way no matter which feed you subscribe to, if there is any member specific content,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco whether it has a bootleg version or not, you will get that episode.

⏹️ ▶️ John I think this is one more opportunity to remind people that hey, if you’re an ATP member, you get access to both of those things

⏹️ ▶️ John the bootleg feed, which is the unedited feed of the show, which I’m not sure why people want to listen to but they do.

⏹️ ▶️ John And the edited feed, which is the show as it’s released to everybody, but you get a version with

⏹️ ▶️ John no ads in

⏹️ ▶️ Casey it. Yeah, it’s pretty sweet no matter how you slice it. So ATP dot fm slash join.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Thank you for everyone who has who has already a member who has joined who has commented on the on the

⏹️ ▶️ Casey recordings we had a lot of fun doing them again we don’t have sitting here now any particular plans

⏹️ ▶️ Casey for future members only content i’m sure it will happen eventually but we we aren’t

⏹️ ▶️ Casey currently planning on making a habit of it but it was a lot of fun to do something just for the members because we love everyone that

⏹️ ▶️ Casey listens we might love our members just a touch more though i’m gonna be honest so

⏹️ ▶️ Casey join

⏹️ ▶️ John and let us know what you think of it and let us know your wacky ideas for for members only content. Again, no promises that we

⏹️ ▶️ John will listen to any of them, but I love hearing them because you have a lot of good ideas.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Yeah, that is genuinely very true. The tough thing is that we’re all very lazy and we don’t want to do something super involved

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, John like buy- Speak for

⏹️ ▶️ John yourself, I’m ready to do stuff all the time. It’s just, you know, if it’s like go skydiving together, it’s probably not gonna happen, but hey, interesting idea.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Well, but I think the thing that would be the most fun would be for all of us to play Destiny together and I have

⏹️ ▶️ Casey no equipment with which to play Destiny. The

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, Marco thing that would

⏹️ ▶️ Marco be the most fun is cooking with John, but that just wants to

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John be a video show and we can’t make video. of things that

⏹️ ▶️ John have a high bar and they don’t lend themselves well to podcasting. So

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco keep that in

⏹️ ▶️ John mind.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Someday we’re gonna find a way to do cooking with john in audio form. I don’t know how I was I was thinking earlier like how

⏹️ ▶️ Marco could we do

⏹️ ▶️ Casey this? What if we did the sort of thing where it’s what is is it Brad and

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Mike do the build a Lego set but only one of them has the instructions and the other one is doing

⏹️ ▶️ Casey the building for isn’t that their member special on relay every year? What if we did something like

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, Marco yeah

⏹️ ▶️ Marco but even I think that even that that kind of thing I think that wants to be video like and cooking with John like

⏹️ ▶️ Marco it has to be like a live reaction video like you have to have John live reacting

⏹️ ▶️ Marco to one of us trying to cook food in his style and doing everything wrong like that’s

⏹️ ▶️ Marco that’s what that show would be and and yeah I don’t know how we do that in audio form.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Let me remind you if I if I remember I will put in the show notes but I well all three of us it wasn’t just

⏹️ ▶️ Casey me all three of us were together many moons ago at John’s house around to Christmas time, I don’t remember exactly when

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, John it

⏹️ ▶️ John was. This is just a big trauma in your life. You’ve repeated it like six times in

⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey the show. It is a trauma. I’m sorry, this has

⏹️ ▶️ John been such a profound

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, John experience.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey It was a profound moment in my life, John. He asked me to help him make pizza, and my recollection of

⏹️ ▶️ Casey the pizza was that it was very, very good. I was happy to help him make pizza. He asked me to shred, what was

⏹️ ▶️ Casey it, mozzarella? I don’t even remember what cheese it was. It was surely mozzarella. And I attempted to shred it, and

⏹️ ▶️ Casey he immediately was aghast and informed me that I had done this utterly incorrectly,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey took his beloved cheese grater from my cold, dead hands, which had died from embarrassment,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey and then immediately on the same plate showed me and instructed me on the correct way to

⏹️ ▶️ Casey grate cheese. So, cooking with John should happen eventually one day, but no promises.

⏹️ ▶️ John JG You were doing it like someone who had never grated cheese before.

⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey Like, literally had never

⏹️ ▶️ John done it

⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey before.

⏹️ ▶️ John CW I had

⏹️ ▶️ Casey done it before, but

⏹️ ▶️ John not a lot. JG Well, I mean, it showed, so that’s why I said, like, you’re gonna, you

⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey know, CW I found it. I found it. All right.

⏹️ ▶️ John JG I just needed to take over.

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Follow-up: Apple Pay addresses

⏹️ ▶️ Casey All right, can you tell me, John, about Apple Pay looking for a quote unquote valid address, please?

⏹️ ▶️ John I complained about this last week that Etsy was rejecting my Apple Pay payments because I thought all my addresses were invalid.

⏹️ ▶️ John And then I got the same rejection when I was buying my iPhone. But luckily, it went through eventually. Tons of people wrote in

⏹️ ▶️ John to say, hey, I’ve had that happen to me as well. It’s very difficult to tell whether it actually is a problem or it’s just that

⏹️ ▶️ John when you say you’ve experienced a problem, you’ll hear from all the other people who did experience the problem. So I don’t know

⏹️ ▶️ John if this is a new thing or whatever, but it is very common. Graham Dobby wrote

⏹️ ▶️ John in about an Apple Pay issue that he was having at Etsy as well. He said, I had the same issue

⏹️ ▶️ John paying Etsy using Apple Pay. No combination of changing or deleting addresses made any difference, but Apple

⏹️ ▶️ John Pay worked perfectly well on other websites. After back and forth with Etsy support, the issue was left unresolved. The

⏹️ ▶️ John last I heard was this, quote, our team is still looking into things with the engineers. In the

⏹️ ▶️ John meantime, checking out not using Apple Pay will allow you to proceed with the purchase. This was in

⏹️ ▶️ John October 2018. So that does not bode well for Etsy working out whatever the problem

⏹️ ▶️ John was with Apple Pay on their website. That’s not great. The only thing I heard about this that was sort of substantive

⏹️ ▶️ John and not like, you know, just like people relaying their own experiences was the

⏹️ ▶️ John idea that some shipping or logistics companies will give you a discount,

⏹️ ▶️ John will give like the site, the store, the e-commerce site, a discount on their shipping

⏹️ ▶️ John if the address that they send to is on their pre-approved list of known

⏹️ ▶️ John valid addresses or whatever, right? Because that’s what explains why would a store ever stop you from checking

⏹️ ▶️ John out? You don’t want anything in the checkout flow that stops you from making the purchase.

⏹️ ▶️ John So what could possibly motivate sites to do this or payment processors to do this? And

⏹️ ▶️ John when it comes to the sites doing this, because websites also sometimes complain about your address, or offer your alternatives or whatever

⏹️ ▶️ John is they’re trying to get a cheaper shipping rate for themselves. You know whether or not they pass that on to you, they’re

⏹️ ▶️ John trying to get a cheaper shipping rate and saying, Hey, you entered 123 Main Street.

⏹️ ▶️ John You sure you didn’t mean this address? One, it’s always in all caps 123 Main ST period,

⏹️ ▶️ John would you like to send to that one, you know, and usually you can pick No, I want to send to the one that I wrote, not the one that you wrote. But

⏹️ ▶️ John in some cases, in some countries, in some situations there is a financial incentive

⏹️ ▶️ John for them to only send to one of these lists of pre-approved addresses and maybe that

⏹️ ▶️ John has something to do with what’s happening with that play thing or it could be something totally unrelated I don’t know. But

⏹️ ▶️ John anyway, it’s a common problem and no one knows the solution.

iPhone 14 repairability design

⏹️ ▶️ Casey So the iPhone 14, 14 Pro, and 14 Max have all been released. We’re going to talk about that in a little

⏹️ ▶️ Casey bit. But the iPhone 14 in particular has

⏹️ ▶️ Casey a completely new design. In reading from iFixit, Apple has completely redesigned the internals

⏹️ ▶️ Casey of the iPhone 14 to make it easier to repair. It is not at all visible from the outside, but this is a big deal.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey It’s the most significant design change to the iPhone in a long time. The iPhone 14 Pro and Pro Max models still have the old

⏹️ ▶️ Casey architecture. When you drop an iPhone 13, its metal frame absorbs that shock, shock, transmitting

⏹️ ▶️ Casey and spreading the force across the glued-in battery and sturdily adhered rear glass.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey The iPhone 14 meets the same challenge, but achieves the required torsional rigidity in a totally

⏹️ ▶️ Casey different way. A new mid-frame sits between the display and the guts of the phone

⏹️ ▶️ Casey and takes the brunt of force distribution across the frame and battery. That is super cool

⏹️ ▶️ Casey and in a way I kind of wish I had a 14 and not a 14 Pro. Yeah,

⏹️ ▶️ John the big sale here is like, it used to be that phones you could open up from the screen side, like you’d pop

⏹️ ▶️ John off the screen and then you could, you know, replace the screen and do other stuff, but you couldn’t open

⏹️ ▶️ John it from the back. It was basically like a bathtub, kind of, and then the screen with lid on the top. So if you needed

⏹️ ▶️ John to replace something that was basically exposed on the back of the phone, you would have to open up

⏹️ ▶️ John the front, dig out all the guts, and get to the thing that was underneath that you wanted to repair.

⏹️ ▶️ John And the new 14, you can open it from the front or the back. And the mid-frame they’re talking about,

⏹️ ▶️ John it’s like there’s a, you know, so there’s the ring around the outside that you you feel when you grab the phone. And

⏹️ ▶️ John then inside the phone, there’s this skinny metal piece that sits kind of in the middle of the sandwich

⏹️ ▶️ John and the back stuff is on the backside of that and the front stuff is on the front side of that. So if you wanna

⏹️ ▶️ John replace something that’s on the back, now you can take off the back part, or if you break the back, like if you break the glass

⏹️ ▶️ John back on your iPhone, now they can just take off that back glass and replace it. Or if you

⏹️ ▶️ John wanna get at something that’s on the very back of the iPhone, you can just pry off the back glass and get at it

⏹️ ▶️ John immediately. And the screen, same deal. If you just want to replace the screen, you pull that off the front of the phone. Way more repairable.

⏹️ ▶️ John You should watch the video of like how well they’ve done this, how all the connectors are threaded through and you

⏹️ ▶️ John could, you know, remove all the pieces. Big change in repairability. And

⏹️ ▶️ John as you noted, the Pro and the Pro Max do not have this new design.

⏹️ ▶️ John They still have the old design where you can open up the front real easily, but the back is just

⏹️ ▶️ John one piece and it’s really difficult to do. and that is reflected in the repair prices. So

⏹️ ▶️ John this is like no AppleCare, out of warranty, like you broke it, how much does it cost to fix it? The iPhone 14,

⏹️ ▶️ John if you break the back glass, $150 to repair it if it’s out of warranty, you

⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey know. No AppleCare. That’s nothing. That’s

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco awesome. That’s

⏹️ ▶️ John amazing. The iPhone 14 Pro Max, $550 for that same thing. Oh, golly. And the iFixit people say,

⏹️ ▶️ John and like that’s not because they’re ripping you off, it’s because the huge amount of labor,

⏹️ ▶️ John and like, because you have to basically pull all the guts out of the phone to get, because you have to remove the

⏹️ ▶️ John part that’s broken. You gotta pull all the guts out of it. They even show, in one of the older phones, probably sure the new ones do, to get,

⏹️ ▶️ John to sort of unglue the back from the MagSafe, or the, what do you call it, the wireless

⏹️ ▶️ John charging coil or whatever. They had a laser they would use to burn off the adhesive and it would go back

⏹️ ▶️ John and forth, or you’d have to shatter the glass and pull off the little shards of glass with tweezers.

⏹️ ▶️ John It was expensive because it took a huge amount of time and it was so labor intensive. So it’s fascinating that the iPhone 14,

⏹️ ▶️ John the non-pro one, has this way better design for repairability, but the expensive

⏹️ ▶️ John phones don’t. And, you know, I think it will eventually, you know, trickle up to

⏹️ ▶️ John the rest of the iPhone line, because people are like, wonder why Apple’s doing this? Are they being so nice? No, of course

⏹️ ▶️ John Apple’s doing this. When they have repairs that are easier to do, that helps them, because

⏹️ ▶️ John you get fewer botched repairs and fewer situations where you have to like, oh, we screwed up your phone trying to repair it,

⏹️ ▶️ John we have to give you a whole new phone or whatever. Repairability helps Apple a lot. Helps customers a little

⏹️ ▶️ John too in terms of paying less when you break it or whatever, but it’s like there’s no question about why Apple

⏹️ ▶️ John would be motivated to make its phones easier to repair. That’s why almost everything they’ve done with all their products

⏹️ ▶️ John to make it easier to repair is easy to justify because hey if someone comes in with a MacBook Air and

⏹️ ▶️ John they broke the USB port, wouldn’t it be great if we can just remove the little USB port? Yeah, so that’s why it’s on a submodule. It just makes the repair

⏹️ ▶️ John faster and easier, gets the customer in and out faster, and if it’s under warranty you don’t have to pay for a whole new logic board,

⏹️ ▶️ John right? So this makes a lot of sense. It’s just a shame that it didn’t make it to the expensive phones, but watch for it in

⏹️ ▶️ John the next few years.

US iPhone 14s have SIM spacer

⏹️ ▶️ Casey So with regard to US phones, they don’t have any sort of SIM

⏹️ ▶️ Casey slot, or at least so we think, but then iFixit opened it up and apparently

⏹️ ▶️ Casey there is the space for it. It wasn’t used for anything else and they just put a little plastic spacer in

⏹️ ▶️ Casey there. So reading from iFixit, it’s still a little eerie and very un-Apple-like to weigh space like this. The plastic spacer

⏹️ ▶️ Casey is roughly the same size as a two by two Lego brick and weighs half a gram.

⏹️ ▶️ John You should look at the picture of it on the iFixit thing. It’s literally like just a chunk of inert plastic, just

⏹️ ▶️ John a space filler. So, you know, we talked about that not having a SIM tray gives you more internal space

⏹️ ▶️ John that you can fill with stuff. In this phone, they have not filled it with stuff because, I mean, I guess, I

⏹️ ▶️ John think it’s only the US phones that don’t have a SIM tray. Well, anyway, the majority of phones

⏹️ ▶️ John are sold outside the US, I would imagine, if you count all the rest of the world, and they didn’t want to make

⏹️ ▶️ John two different models. So, yeah, we don’t get that space savings. But as soon as they can go eSIM everywhere,

⏹️ ▶️ John you can bet they’re gonna reclaim that space. but it is hilarious that in this like tightest of spaces

⏹️ ▶️ John where they have so many components jammed in and everything, they basically just designed the same phone and they said, you know

⏹️ ▶️ John what, on the US ones, the band around the outside won’t have a hole in it and inside you can see all the contacts

⏹️ ▶️ John where the SIM tray would go, like the board is the same, everything’s the same, there’s just no SIM tray, but we have to put something there,

⏹️ ▶️ John you know, for rigidity or whatever, little plastic spacer.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Nice.

iPhone 14 Pro cases

⏹️ ▶️ Casey John tell me about your phone case or cases

⏹️ ▶️ John I’m gonna talk more about my We’ll all talk more about our purchase experiences a little later, but people

⏹️ ▶️ John wanted to know what kind of cases I’m getting I mentioned last week that I had ordered the bull strap black leather case with

⏹️ ▶️ John an open bottom on it and mag safe And we’ll put another link to that in this week’s show notes so you can find it

⏹️ ▶️ John I ordered a second leather case just because you know redundancy. I’ll talk about them. So

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco this one is from

⏹️ ▶️ John In case I didn’t like the Bullstrap case, because I know I’m probably not going to like the buttons on the Bullstrap case, right? I

⏹️ ▶️ John ordered a second one from Ryan London, and it’s a black leather case with an open bottom. Shocker.

⏹️ ▶️ John The buttons look a little bit different than they do on the Bullstrap. We’ll see how it goes.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I have a couple of case updates, too. I have the Apple Clear case for my iPhone 14,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco which this is the first year I’ve actually gotten Apple’s Clear case. I started experimenting with clear

⏹️ ▶️ Marco cases last year, and I’d used some third-party ones, and they

⏹️ ▶️ Marco were decent overall, fine. This year, the only one I could get on day

⏹️ ▶️ Marco one for guaranteed day one delivery was Apple’s, and so I thought, oh, let me give it a try. Maybe I won’t like

⏹️ ▶️ Marco it, but I at least wanna live with it. And it’s actually okay. I’m actually

⏹️ ▶️ Marco enjoying it. I think it is much nicer looking than third-party

⏹️ ▶️ Marco ones that I’ve used. We’ll see how it ages. Clear cases have a tendency to yellow over time.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Even the ones that say they have anti-yellowing technology also themselves do yellow over

⏹️ ▶️ Marco time. So we’ll see. And this is, as John mentioned last week, the

⏹️ ▶️ Marco only Apple phone case that’s sold right now that has an open

⏹️ ▶️ Marco bottom. And as much as it pains me to admit it, I

⏹️ ▶️ Marco think John was right. I think open bottoms are awesome.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey I think the open bottom is better, but, and I’m jumping ahead a little bit here, but I have

⏹️ ▶️ Casey the official Apple leather case. It definitely has a non-open bottom, and you can feel it when you do the little swipey up

⏹️ ▶️ Casey home gesture. It does not bother me. In the story of ATP for the last 10 years, it does not

⏹️ ▶️ Casey bother me nearly as much as it bothers either of

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, John you. I

⏹️ ▶️ John remember the correct nomenclature for this is bare bottom. That’s what we’re

⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey going with.

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco Oh, my mistake. Not open bottom.

⏹️ ▶️ John Slightly more appealing, I feel like.

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco Yeah, fair. So if we’re doing this now, then we’re doing this now. That’s

⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey gutsy. Oh gosh,

⏹️ ▶️ John please stop. I was gonna save this for later, but since Marco mentioned it, I also got the clear case

⏹️ ▶️ John as mentioned before. This is my tide me over case because both of those leather cases are coming like mid October or something,

⏹️ ▶️ John best case scenario. So I need a case until then. So I got the clear Apple one because it’s got the open bottom.

⏹️ ▶️ John This is the worst case I have ever owned for any iPhone.

⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey Oh my word. I

⏹️ ▶️ John like it, it’s all right. I didn’t think it was gonna be a big deal. Ah, it’s clear case, I don’t like how it looks. It’ll probably

⏹️ ▶️ John feel weird. but you know, whatever, it’s just to tide me over. I was not prepared for the thing that would

⏹️ ▶️ John bother me the most about this case. It’s not, oh, you get crumbs underneath it. It’s not like, oh, it’s too slippery or whatever.

⏹️ ▶️ John It’s not that it’s clear and ugly or whatever. All those things are factors, but I knew about those and think it would be fine.

⏹️ ▶️ John I don’t know if you’re gonna be able to hear this. See if you, I’m gonna put this in front of my microphone, see if you can pick this up at all. If not, then I

⏹️ ▶️ John will just describe it later.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I hear some like crinkling

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, Casey almost. Is that like

⏹️ ▶️ Marco when you push the buttons, is it making a creaking sound?

⏹️ ▶️ John When I put my phone into this case, directly out of the box, directly into the case, like not touched

⏹️ ▶️ John by human hands, clean room style,

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco right? So

⏹️ ▶️ John phone case goes in or whatever. This thing creaks inside this case

⏹️ ▶️ John like crazy. It’s like the phone is constantly moving micrometers back and forth and each

⏹️ ▶️ John time it does, it overcomes the static friction against the case and then resticks to it. It’s like,

⏹️ ▶️ John click, click, click, click. You can imagine like something sticking to it and then pulling away, sticking to it. Every time I pick up

⏹️ ▶️ John this phone, I feel the case move. It moves in, it moves out, the phone moves up, moves down. You’d be saying,

⏹️ ▶️ John maybe you don’t have the phone seated all the way. Believe me, I checked a million times. Is this not seated? Is it not in the

⏹️ ▶️ John case? It’s in the case. Every time I grab my phone, it’s like this case

⏹️ ▶️ John does, like, it’s not like it doesn’t fit. It’s not like it’s too loose, but it creaks and it moves.

⏹️ ▶️ John It feels terrible. It sounds terrible. I thought it would get broken in over time. Like maybe it’s just creaking because it’s

⏹️ ▶️ John new, but it hasn’t. Every time I pick up my phone, I hate this case more. Oh my

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco word.

⏹️ ▶️ John Nothing to do with the buttons being weird, nothing to do with the ugliness, nothing to do with the crumbs,

⏹️ ▶️ John all those things happen. I cannot stand this case. I’ve almost thought of like, maybe I should just go bare without it because it’s so bad.

⏹️ ▶️ John How could they screw this up so badly? When I pick up my phone, I don’t want to feel anything move, let alone

⏹️ ▶️ John hear creaking or snapping or pulling away. Oh, it’s so bad, so bad. I hate it so much.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I mean, for whatever it’s worth, mine doesn’t do any of those things. And I have the exact same phone, the exact same case. So maybe

⏹️ ▶️ Marco it’s just a flaw.

⏹️ ▶️ John Can you pick up your phone now and do a little bit of torsional rigidity

⏹️ ▶️ John check?

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco Do

⏹️ ▶️ John you feel the case moving?

⏹️ ▶️ Marco If I literally twist the phone, I

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John can get a very- Like a little tiny bit.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Very slight movement, but I’ve literally, in regular picking up and handling, that never happens.

⏹️ ▶️ John Pick up the phone, put your hands on either side of it, and just squeeze, just squeeze the sides.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Does the

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John case

⏹️ ▶️ Marco move? My finger is just cracked. But no, the case does not move, no.

⏹️ ▶️ John My case does. If I’m squeezing, look on the back where the circle almost meets

⏹️ ▶️ John the vertical line, put your fingers on the opposite side of that and squeeze.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I mean, it’s kind of low, but no, that’s also not there either. No, no matter where I squeeze on the sides, it doesn’t do it.

⏹️ ▶️ John Maybe my case is flawed or has some problem with it or whatever, but it is so bad.

⏹️ ▶️ John And you wouldn’t think this would bother you that much. Every time I pick it up, I grab it, and it’s like, I feel that case move,

⏹️ ▶️ John and it feels insecure, and it feels gross, and I hate it. I

⏹️ ▶️ Marco hate it so much. Yeah, mine definitely does not do that. And the only complaint I have about this case is

⏹️ ▶️ Marco that it is not as grippy feeling as the third party ones are.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco The Apple cases are made from a little bit harder plastic that’s a little bit less tacky.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco But it’s fine, I mean, you know, once, it was kind of weird the very first day, it seemed to be, I guess for manufacturing

⏹️ ▶️ Marco or something, it seemed to be coated in like a slight layer of like grease

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John almost. Oh, neat.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco That was kind of off-putting, but you know, within one day of handling it, that all had rubbed off,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco and so now it just feels like plastic and it feels fine. Yeah, I like, you know, we’ll see how it ages,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco but so far I like it a lot.

⏹️ ▶️ John Yeah, obviously this will be immediately coming off the phone when any of my other cases come, but in the meantime I’m just

⏹️ ▶️ John grinding my teeth and burying it.

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco Oh, I’ll

⏹️ ▶️ Marco also say that the only other case I’ve ordered so far is the only one that I couldn’t

⏹️ ▶️ Marco get last year due to various backorder issues that everyone recommended, the Pitaka.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco So I have that one coming, it’s gonna be here I think in a few days and I’ll let you know how it goes.

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⏹️ ▶️ Casey I would like to do a very brief bit of long-term follow-up with regard

⏹️ ▶️ Casey to my channels setup and HD home run and

⏹️ ▶️ Casey if you recall the way I had things working previously is that I use TV Everywhere to log into my Fios

⏹️ ▶️ Casey account and that would let me stream things to the channels app but

⏹️ ▶️ Casey I had heard through the Grapevine that the right way to do this is to do what John did which is get a

⏹️ ▶️ Casey HD Home Run Prime, I believe it’s called, and that has a cable card

⏹️ ▶️ Casey input and that would let you, if you speak to your cable company, if they support it, that would

⏹️ ▶️ Casey let you get basically everything that you get on cable except maybe like premium channels, which I don’t pay for anyway,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey and you don’t have to stream it. It’s not coming across the air or anything like that. It’s pretty much exactly like having

⏹️ ▶️ Casey a TiVo, right John? Right? Anyway, so I had a listener who was kind enough to send one of these to me and

⏹️ ▶️ Casey I sat on it for a couple of weeks Then I finally got around to asking my Verizon Fios people for a cable card

⏹️ ▶️ Casey that came in It is which I knew but had forgotten it is

⏹️ ▶️ Casey pretty much a PC MCIA card Most of you are probably like what’s that which is the correct response?

⏹️ ▶️ John That’s amazing. You just mean a piece. It’s a PC card though It’s not a PC MCIA card.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco What’s the difference? It’s just they later renamed it to PC card It’s that’s what I

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, Casey thought

⏹️ ▶️ Marco but it’s a newer isn’t PC card or newer standard I believe it might be like, you know version two of the same

⏹️ ▶️ Marco thing but like I think it was just a shortening of the name in a newer version to make it a little bit more

⏹️ ▶️ Marco consumer friendly than a PC MCI.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John It’s

⏹️ ▶️ John more like it’s like a PCI the PCI bus version two versus PCI bus version three except they renamed

⏹️ ▶️ John it between two and three I think but anyway you can say PC card.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Yeah regardless.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco See if you say PC card people might think like just a slot card like like a PCI card that you put in a PC.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah I know it’s a bad well they picked a bad name. Well yeah they went from one bad name to you know a slightly less

⏹️ ▶️ Marco bad. Yes. It’s a good thing we have have USB 4 version 2.0 coming soon. Yeah, right,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, Casey exactly.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Yeah, same as it ever was. Yeah, and I’m looking, I’m glancing at the Wikipedia entries. There is

⏹️ ▶️ Casey a different entry for PC Card versus PCMCIA. I’m unclear. Oh, I guess PCMCIA

⏹️ ▶️ Casey is the association, whereas the PC Card is, strictly speaking, you’re right, John.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I believe that was retconned that way.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John See, okay, that’s what I

⏹️ ▶️ John thought too. Yeah, well, that’s why all these names work, like USB 3.0 Gen 2. It used to

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco be USB 3.2.

⏹️ ▶️ John when they briefly did two by

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco two, USB 3.0, 3.2, two by two.

⏹️ ▶️ John PCMCIA has something going for it. The USB 4 version 2.0 hasn’t dared to do yet.

⏹️ ▶️ John Roman numerals, throw them in the mix, why not?

⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey They’ve

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco got

⏹️ ▶️ John type two, type three, type four, all Roman numerals.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Nice. In any case, so yeah, the cable card is to my eyes, I don’t care if it’s PCMCIA,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey PC card, whatever. It’s one of those things. One of the things that us people, like Marco and me, would get

⏹️ ▶️ Casey a PCMCIA wireless adapter for our laptops back when we were in college. That was the last

⏹️ ▶️ Casey time I had worked with one of these. And we talked about X-Jack, or whatever it’s called, where you had a modem and the little thing

⏹️ ▶️ Casey would like, what do you call that, where you push in and the thing pops out. It had a little

⏹️ ▶️ Casey receptacle for the RJ11. It was super cool. You

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, John call it

⏹️ ▶️ Casey really breakable. Yeah, well, that’s a fact. So anyway, so I get this HD Home Run Prime

⏹️ ▶️ Casey from a very kind listener. I asked Verizon to send me the cable card. they do.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey I plug it all in. I try to set it all up. And of course, I tried to do the online

⏹️ ▶️ Casey self-service activation. It didn’t work. I forget exactly why. So then I have to get on a chat with the Verizon people

⏹️ ▶️ Casey and I read to them the magical numerals that I need to read to them. And

⏹️ ▶️ Casey that didn’t work. And then of course, they’re like, well, look at the TV and tell me this. And I had

⏹️ ▶️ Casey to explain, it’s not connected to a TV, you see. It’s a like a capture box

⏹️ ▶️ Casey and this and that and that didn’t go over well, especially over chat. You’re like their

⏹️ ▶️ Marco worst nightmare. Oh,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John I know. Well,

⏹️ ▶️ John yeah, the the cable card info right from the the channels web UI.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Well, well, I don’t think I got it from the channels web UI, but I absolutely could get it from the HD home run web UI.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey And so anyways, one way or another, it eventually turned out that that the person I was speaking to is very kind

⏹️ ▶️ Casey escalated to some other magical person and that other magical person with no further info for

⏹️ ▶️ Casey me flipped magical switches and then it all got working. So it was a bit of a pain in the butt. But I got to tell

⏹️ ▶️ Casey you, once you have the setup, and as much as I’m snarking on John and his beloved TiVo, like I’ve never had

⏹️ ▶️ Casey a TiVo, I don’t know what the TiVo experience is like,

⏹️ ▶️ John but… TiVo gets the premium channels with a cable card, just FYI.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Oh, fair, fair. And well, maybe that is possible with channels. I honestly don’t know. I’m not saying it is or it isn’t. I didn’t think it

⏹️ ▶️ Casey was possible, but I am not sure. One way or the other, this is so nice. Like if you’re going

⏹️ ▶️ Casey to pay for a TV setup, which most people including me probably shouldn’t.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey It is so nice because then I have the entirety of my cable everywhere because like Plex

⏹️ ▶️ Casey channels will work outside the house, inside the house. And now instead of having a big honking table box,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey table box, a big honking cable box with a spinning hard drive in it in my living

⏹️ ▶️ Casey room, now the cable box has just arrived back in Verizon today because I don’t need it anymore.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey And I am saving a whopping like $2 a month by not having a DVR in my house because instead

⏹️ ▶️ Casey of charging me like $13 they’re charging me $10 so I guess I’m saving three bucks a month but

⏹️ ▶️ Casey they’re charging me $10 for the cable card instead of 15 for the DVR with its god-awful interface

⏹️ ▶️ Casey but it is really really nice I’m really really enjoying it so far and it was super cool about it is when we

⏹️ ▶️ Casey tailgate which was discussed on upgrade plus this week when we tailgate at the

⏹️ ▶️ Casey University of Virginia which is where my wife went to school we will have a TV set up there and if you want

⏹️ ▶️ Casey to watch another football game like for example the Virginia Tech game which is where I went to school you can

⏹️ ▶️ Casey hook up an iPad to the TV and have it play your

⏹️ ▶️ Casey cable at home through the network through the internet through my Verizon

⏹️ ▶️ Casey wireless connection to the TV sitting in the middle of a field at UVA which is pretty freaking

⏹️ ▶️ Casey rad. So granted I could have done this with streaming and it was like directly from ESPN but the quality

⏹️ ▶️ Casey would probably be worse. It’s still, it’s really cool. Nobody should care about this, but if you do care

⏹️ ▶️ Casey about it, it’s super great. Which is another theme for ATP.

Blue-blocking glasses

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Marco, tell me about your glasses and blue blocking lenses, please.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I don’t know how much follow-up I can really do yet because I don’t actually have, like, you know, good glasses yet,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco but we did hear from a number of people about the topic of the blue blocking lenses.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco The consensus seems to be there are various degrees of blue light blockage

⏹️ ▶️ Marco and they correspond directly to how much they do give a yellowish color cast

⏹️ ▶️ Marco to the image that you see, because of course. I had asked last episode because I had heard

⏹️ ▶️ Marco from the optometrist that you don’t really notice There is no noticeable color cast and yeah, it turns out that’s

⏹️ ▶️ Marco probably BS

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John That

⏹️ ▶️ John I think it might be true in the same sense that if you ever gone skiing and worn yellow ski goggles because you were born in the 70s

⏹️ ▶️ John You put the ski goggles of your face yellow or orange ski goggles that are like super yellow or super

⏹️ ▶️ John orange, right? And but then after you’ve had the goggles on for a little bit your brain adjusts and you

⏹️ ▶️ John stop noticing that everything looks like pee. The reason you always look like, the reason you keep noticing it with night

⏹️ ▶️ John shift is because only your phone looks like pee, right? The rest of the world doesn’t.

⏹️ ▶️ John But when you put the goggles on your face, or I would imagine blue blocking glasses, your brain just recalibrates and

⏹️ ▶️ John everything looks normal. And in the case of ski goggles, until you pick the ski goggles up and then the snow is blindingly

⏹️ ▶️ John blue, right? So I imagine that’s what the eye doctor is trying to say. Oh, you don’t notice, but

⏹️ ▶️ John it absolutely colors things and with glasses unlike goggles you can look under or over the glasses which is

⏹️ ▶️ John how I spend half my life you know getting away with wearing my driving glasses and being able to read my phone you look

⏹️ ▶️ John under your glasses because I’m not quite ready to have progressives or bifocals yet so

⏹️ ▶️ John you still with glasses you can still see the true colors out of your peripheral vision and under your glasses

⏹️ ▶️ John and I think that would make you continue to notice the fact that they are giving everything

⏹️ ▶️ John a yellowish cast but I guess if you get like big old person wraparound blue blockers, maybe

⏹️ ▶️ John you’re kind of like ski goggles, you’ll you won’t be able to see any unfiltered light and your brain will just readjust.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I mean, for for a number of years now, my preferred driving sunglasses have had like

⏹️ ▶️ Marco slightly gold lenses and they do the same thing intentionally.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco And the reason I like them for driving is that it allows me to have, you know, they’re

⏹️ ▶️ Marco they’re, you know, these decent glasses that, you know, they have like good quality lenses and they’re polarized but they’re not

⏹️ ▶️ Marco that dark but they are slightly gold or brown tinted which means they block more

⏹️ ▶️ Marco blue and so what this does is it allows me to have a lot

⏹️ ▶️ Marco of like I relief during driving for you know from sun and stuff but without making

⏹️ ▶️ Marco the I guess image too dark and so I love them in the winter

⏹️ ▶️ Marco because you know there’s a lot of glare in the winter in various direction everything but there’s not a ton of overall light

⏹️ ▶️ Marco necessarily in the winter and it’s great for that, but it definitely does make everything

⏹️ ▶️ Marco look a little bit warmer color temperature wise. And so anyway, so what we heard from we

⏹️ ▶️ Marco heard from a lot of listeners who have tried blue blocking glasses, you know, for just regular eyeglasses, and

⏹️ ▶️ Marco the I believe the opinion was pretty solidly negative on them. Most

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John people who

⏹️ ▶️ Marco tried them did not like them, and most people said, you know, don’t even bother,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco slash, I tried them and hate them, you know, or whatever. So So overall, not strong

⏹️ ▶️ Marco reviews. Anyway, so I got a couple of cheap readers from Amazon that came

⏹️ ▶️ Marco in today that I think are probably unusable.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I also, in order to try out different things, a lot of people recommended that I try out

⏹️ ▶️ Marco intermediate distance readers, which are made more for computer screen distances than

⏹️ ▶️ Marco holding a book distances. So I ordered one of those from one of the cheap places. People kept recommending

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Zenni Optical and iBuyDirect. So I ordered a couple from each that are really cheap.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco And so I have, I got an intermediate on order and I have a progressive

⏹️ ▶️ Marco that goes from nothing to reading. And I’m going to try both of those and see kind of how that goes

⏹️ ▶️ Marco and trying out different codings and then I’ll figure out what the heck is actually going to work for me.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Yeah. With regard to Zenni Optical, last episode I was trying to reach for

⏹️ ▶️ Casey the name of a website where I had looked, and ordering kids’ glasses was just

⏹️ ▶️ Casey as expensive as ordering them through the eye doctor. And a lot of people were like, oh, you

⏹️ ▶️ Casey should try Zenni Optical. It’s super cheap. That’s the one I was thinking of, where it’s basically the same money for kids’ glasses.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey So coincidentally, just this week, Michaela had her annual checkup. She’s getting new glasses.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey The way it worked this year is that it was $201 for a new set of glasses for Michaela, and

⏹️ ▶️ Casey I priced the exact same thing with the exact same script from Zenni. And it was $174. So

⏹️ ▶️ Casey it was basically the same money. Cheaper, but not a lot cheaper. Exactly right.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey And so I’m not saying that’s true for adults. I’m not saying that’s true for anything. But for me, for my

⏹️ ▶️ Casey uses, because I wear hard contacts, I don’t get glasses regularly, and those have to be special ordered. But for the kids,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey anyhow, Zenni was actually not really any cheaper. But like many have said,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey including you, Marco, I think for adults, it’s a very different ballgame. Yeah.

Apple’s iPhone upgrade guide

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Alright, finally, I was casting about asking people last episode, hey, is there one true

⏹️ ▶️ Casey upgrade guide for what is the right way to handle upgrading a phone and or watch?

⏹️ ▶️ Casey A handful of people recommended, but Jonathan Golbrinson was the first to do it. Apple

⏹️ ▶️ Casey does have an official guide for this. I don’t really love it. It’s kind of choose your own adventure

⏹️ ▶️ Casey in a way that I’m not really in favor of, including them starting with, well,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey which way would you like to do it? And I want you to tell me. That’s what I want is for you

⏹️ ▶️ Casey to tell me. You know, Quick Start, iCloud, or iTunes or Finder. Which, okay, fine, but

⏹️ ▶️ Casey I was looking for a little more specific guidance than that, and we’ll talk probably right now about how

⏹️ ▶️ Casey we did our upgrades, but I did want to at least put that link in the show notes, and thank you to the people who wrote in, including Jonathan,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey so thank you.

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Our iPhones 14 Pro

⏹️ ▶️ Casey We bought and received some stuff. So who wants to start?

⏹️ ▶️ John Let me start with my setup process as a cautionary tale for others. Oh

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco no!

⏹️ ▶️ John I thought I talked last week that I’m have such bad luck with this and I’m so bad at it

⏹️ ▶️ John and then I’m you know I re-listened to the episode and I heard myself saying a bunch of things and I was like you know what

⏹️ ▶️ John I should have listened to my past self.

⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey Oh no. I

⏹️ ▶️ John don’t know why I didn’t listen to my past self. I don’t, someone needs to like have some kind of intervention for me when I get a

⏹️ ▶️ John new phone. I got my new phone and for some reason,

⏹️ ▶️ John I decided based on like vague memories of dissatisfaction with the transfer process last time,

⏹️ ▶️ John that I should try a technique that I hadn’t done

⏹️ ▶️ John recently, right? That I should, you know, I don’t remember what I did last year or the year before, but I know in the recent

⏹️ ▶️ John years I’ve been using it, doing iCloud or doing the direct transfer, right? I’m like, you know what? I haven’t done

⏹️ ▶️ John an iTunes backup and restore in a while. I should do that this year. Why did I think

⏹️ ▶️ John that? Even after on last week’s show, I said, definitely don’t do that. And I

⏹️ ▶️ John wasn’t gonna do it. I did it. So I made an encrypted backup to the Finder.

⏹️ ▶️ John After fighting with this, I should find the link to this document. After fighting with my computer to get that

⏹️ ▶️ John to work, cause I plugged in my phone to my computer and opened the Finder and it’s like, we’ve detected

⏹️ ▶️ John that you’re, I forget what the dialogue says, like your phone needs updated version of software, your Mac

⏹️ ▶️ John needs, it said it needs to do some kind of software update because I plugged in my phone. This is what the finder is saying with a little dialogue.

⏹️ ▶️ John I said, okay, go ahead. And it says downloading software and it gives some hilarious estimates like 78 days remaining.

⏹️ ▶️ John And then it downloads in two seconds. And then it says installing software. And then it says software installation

⏹️ ▶️ John failed, sorry. I was like, and I tried it like three times and it just did all the same process,

⏹️ ▶️ John goes through the same things. The software installation failed. Like did some Googling, eventually found a

⏹️ ▶️ John page.

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco It’s like,

⏹️ ▶️ John oh, you should, it’s because you should try a different cable. Sometimes the cables are weird.

⏹️ ▶️ John Whatever, I just, I’ll try anything. I used the cable that came in the box with my phone and I plugged it directly into my

⏹️ ▶️ John Mac Pro instead of going through a USB hub and doing all the USB, you know, kind of like, just

⏹️ ▶️ John try anything, all the normal USB debugging. Lo and behold, plugging it directly into my Mac Pro with the cable

⏹️ ▶️ John it came with, didn’t pop up that dialogue and it did an encrypted backup. Oh my gosh, whatever.

⏹️ ▶️ John Great. And then I put in the new phone and you know, how do you want to set up your phone? It’s going through the process.

⏹️ ▶️ John I want to restore it from a backup. I want to restore it from my encrypted backup. It did the restore, it went pretty quick.

⏹️ ▶️ John And then, you know, I looked at

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco my phone

⏹️ ▶️ John and I was like, yep, there’s all my apps and in the normal places I expect to see them. And I had nothing.

⏹️ ▶️ John I had nothing on my phone. All my slacks are signed out. No Twitter accounts in my Twitter app.

⏹️ ▶️ John Nothing in my two factor apps. Like this phone had never seen me before. None of my preferences,

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco none of my like,

⏹️ ▶️ John other than the iCloud stuff, because iCloud stuff did sync, but like my third party non iCloud apps,

⏹️ ▶️ John just nothing. Like none of my discords, none of anything. It was just, everything was gone.

⏹️ ▶️ John And I was like, why did you do this? Why did you do iTunes backup? You just said in the last show, how this is like a legacy

⏹️ ▶️ John code path and Apple’s not working on it anymore. And both iTunes and direct transfer are surely better. Why, why,

⏹️ ▶️ John why did you do this? I’m like, well, I just waited the hour and a half for it to do it, so I’ll just manually

⏹️ ▶️ John go through there. Sign into all my slacks again. I’ve got my other phone next to me,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco right?

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John At this

⏹️ ▶️ Marco point, wouldn’t it be faster to wipe the new one and just redo it the correct

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John way? I

⏹️ ▶️ John was in whatever fugue state I get into when I get a new

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco phone. I’ve got the other

⏹️ ▶️ John phone next to me, right? And so I’m like, sign into all the slacks, then also look at the order that the slacks are

⏹️ ▶️ John in the sidebar and

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco manually reorder them. Yeah,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco it’s a big pain in the butt. I’ve done that a lot of

⏹️ ▶️ John times, it’s terrible. Manually reorder the slacks to the order that I want. Do the two-factor, at least the two-factor.

⏹️ ▶️ John My app has the export, and undo the export and the import, and then compare them, make sure they’re the same. Log into all

⏹️ ▶️ John your Twitter accounts, reset all the preferences in Twitterific to be exactly where they are, go through a screen at a

⏹️ ▶️ John time, setting the preferences the same,

⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey looking at

⏹️ ▶️ John the other phone, looking, just go through it all. And it’s just, you know, and then of course, this is thing,

⏹️ ▶️ John there’s no help for this still, because this is on Apple, and I’m sure both of you have the same experience. Go to TestFlight,

⏹️ ▶️ John install your betas

⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey on top

⏹️ ▶️ John of the other apps, and it does a better job of putting them where they’re supposed to be, but

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco still. your widgets, you

⏹️ ▶️ Marco got to put

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John all your

⏹️ ▶️ Marco widgets

⏹️ ▶️ John back from your beta apps. And sometimes restore purchases doesn’t work and it’s nothing the third party app developers

⏹️ ▶️ John can do about it because TestFlight is buggy when it comes to store stuff and some store kit 2 stuff isn’t supported.

⏹️ ▶️ John Anyway, did all the things and it just took so long but I’m like, this is my punishment,

⏹️ ▶️ John I wasn’t doing it, this is my punishment for being stupid and doing iTunes encrypted backup even though I said

⏹️ ▶️ John on the show don’t do that, it’s dumb. But then I got through this whole process

⏹️ ▶️ John And I thought I had it all licked. And then I’m just doing the final sweep, which is going through each screen and launching the apps and make

⏹️ ▶️ John sure I have was I forgot, adding all the cards to Apple Pay, doing you know, just all that

⏹️ ▶️ John all the paper logging back into Venmo, like doing all the stupid things logging back into all my bank

⏹️ ▶️ John apps and my finance things and setting up all it’s just just such a nightmare, right.

⏹️ ▶️ John And then the last one I’m doing the final sweep and going through stuff and I’m launching stuff.

⏹️ ▶️ John I ranted about this in the podcast-a-thon if you wanted to see me on it, although it’s not that interesting and you’re hearing an abridged version of it here.

⏹️ ▶️ John The final thing that pushed me over the edge was I tapped on Golfing on Mars and I was

⏹️ ▶️ John on hole one. Oh no! It’s like, no!

⏹️ ▶️ John That is too far because there’s nothing you can do. Like that app developer intentionally makes

⏹️ ▶️ John it. No, there’s no cloud syncing. If you lose your hole progress, F you, because that’s what this game is about.

⏹️ ▶️ John There’s not even like a menu. That’s there’s nothing like that is part of this game. And I was like,

⏹️ ▶️ John and I just sat with that for like two hours just totally dejected. And I was like, no, this

⏹️ ▶️ John cannot stand. And so after spending a whole day, just going through this whole

⏹️ ▶️ John process of like restoring my phone, I’m like, I have to wipe it. I can’t,

⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey I

⏹️ ▶️ John have to start over.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Oh my gosh.

⏹️ ▶️ John I erased my whole phone, set up for new and did device to device

⏹️ ▶️ John transfer. Got my desert, not desert golf, my golf on Mars,

⏹️ ▶️ John thousands of holes in golf on Mars were correctly restored. Still had to re-add all my cards

⏹️ ▶️ John to Apple Pay, but my slacks were signed in and just, it was, the moral of the story

⏹️ ▶️ John is people do not use encrypted Finder backups. Use either device to device transfer, my recommendation,

⏹️ ▶️ John or iCloud, and you’ll be much happier. Learn from my terrible mistakes. Oh, and by the

⏹️ ▶️ John way, you notice I didn’t mention anything about the SIM transfer, it worked perfectly.

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco Yeah, the E-SIM. No,

⏹️ ▶️ John it was like, yeah, the screen went by so fast I barely noticed it was there. It was just like, oh yeah, now we’re

⏹️ ▶️ John transferring your number, boop, and it was done. And then when I erased the phone, this is another thing I had to try. When I

⏹️ ▶️ John gave up and erased the phone, it said, oh, so you’re erasing content and settings. Do you want to erase the E-SIM

⏹️ ▶️ John too, or do you want to leave that number on this phone? And I said, leave the number on this phone. That worked too. So

⏹️ ▶️ John the only glitch was after the second restore, I had to disable, set it, and re-enable it once to

⏹️ ▶️ John get like the text to come through or whatever. So eSIM, totally not an issue.

⏹️ ▶️ John And apparently I was distracted like in Jurassic Park, clever girl, and it tricked my stupid brain into doing

⏹️ ▶️ John a iTunes slash Finder encrypted backup restore, which is garbage, never do it.

⏹️ ▶️ John Anyway, my phone’s set up now.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey So it’s funny you say all that because I have always and forever been a devout

⏹️ ▶️ Casey iTunes slash Finder backup person. That’s what I’ve always done for years and years and years and years.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey I didn’t believe any of this BS about how, oh, you can just do it phone to phone, it works so well,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey blah, blah, blah. That is a bunch of baloney. But somebody I know

⏹️ ▶️ Casey said, no, I’m telling you, you have to do device to device. And so in my fugue state,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey I thought, no. There was a voice in my head that some people say sounds like Squidward

⏹️ ▶️ Casey that told me I need to do device to device. And that’s what I did.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey And it worked out great. There was no problems. Now, the bad thing about device to device, which I had forgotten or I guess never really

⏹️ ▶️ Casey known because I’d never done it, is that you lose, as far as I could tell, you lose both of your phones

⏹️ ▶️ Casey for anywhere between one and three hours. Like they’re both tied up, you can’t do anything with them, you are SOL.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey And that’s not great, but understandable. Because otherwise it would kind

⏹️ ▶️ Casey of be a moving target that it’s trying to transfer. But it worked really well for me.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey The eSIM transfer for me took, I wanna say,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Somewhere on the two minute side to two to five minutes, Erin, I’d never transferred her from

⏹️ ▶️ Casey a physical sim to an eSIM because I kind of wanted to experience both. This was a deeply stressful moment for me because

⏹️ ▶️ Casey if I had taken her phone and started to do the transfer

⏹️ ▶️ Casey and then the eSIM transfer failed, then she would have been justifiably

⏹️ ▶️ Casey very perturbed. And thankfully for her it also worked no sweat. Also took

⏹️ ▶️ Casey somewhere between two and five minutes. I noticed like you guys had said that TestFlight did

⏹️ ▶️ Casey not really automatically restore itself. But once I had TestFlight installed,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey if memory serves, I thought it automatically tried to put back everything that had previously been installed.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey So the first step was, TestFlight wasn’t even there, so I have all these blank spots on

⏹️ ▶️ Casey my home screens. Then TestFlight arrived, and then I think I opened TestFlight

⏹️ ▶️ Casey once. I don’t think I had to actually click install. I might have that incorrect though. I might be wrong about that. But

⏹️ ▶️ Casey one way or another, once I did install all these apps, I forget which one of you just said it, but yes,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey then TestFlight and Springboard did a really good job of figuring out where these icons should be

⏹️ ▶️ Casey and based on where they were previously. That worked out real nicely. Although I realized that my care weather widget

⏹️ ▶️ Casey was gone, which is what you were saying a moment ago, Marco, that the widgets all disappear, which is a bummer. But yeah, device

⏹️ ▶️ Casey to device transfer actually worked really well. And I had also somewhat,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey I don’t know, superstitiously done the, you know, unpair your watch in order

⏹️ ▶️ Casey to cause it to create a backup before you do the transfer. And I just let it ride, man.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey I was like, screw it all in. Let’s just see what device to device does. And sure enough, the device to

⏹️ ▶️ Casey device transfer, after it got to the new phone, at a very arbitrary seeming time, it woke up and was like,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey oh, you have an Apple Watch. Do you want to transfer that to me? Yes. Yes, I

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, John do. And

⏹️ ▶️ Casey it worked pretty well. Like I don’t think there were any major issues there either. So I

⏹️ ▶️ Casey am really, really surprised at how well device to device transfer worked. I will

⏹️ ▶️ Casey say that you really do need to expect that A, you’re going to lose both of your phones

⏹️ ▶️ Casey for a solid one to three hours. And B, I watched this happen three different times. I watched it with mine,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey with Aaron’s, and then with some friends of ours. They actually came over and the wife and the family

⏹️ ▶️ Casey did her phone while they were at our house. And for her, it was the same story. It will

⏹️ ▶️ Casey read somewhere between three and infinity hours to complete. Like, oh, you’ll be done in

⏹️ ▶️ Casey infinity. But if you have faith, for all three of us, whatever the estimate was, it ended up

⏹️ ▶️ Casey being more time than actually was needed, which was really refreshing. So

⏹️ ▶️ Casey I completely agree with John of last week and John of moments ago. Device to device is the way to

⏹️ ▶️ Casey do it. With all of that said, Marco, I would like to hear your story, and then we can start talking about the devices.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I actually was pretty close to yours, Casey. So

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I did device to device, not involving iCloud, just device to device, transfer everything including all the passwords

⏹️ ▶️ Marco and everything. And it got pretty much everything. The only things that didn’t work

⏹️ ▶️ Marco correctly were… And the eSIM transfer happened just fine. This was on AT&T.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I don’t know if this matters, I was doing it on Saturday instead of on Friday,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco because That’s, you know, my island situation means I get everything one day late, so maybe things were less overloaded

⏹️ ▶️ Marco then. But everything was fine, basically, with two exceptions.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I had to manually put in my email account again because for a while,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Fastmail was offering configuration profiles to set up your email account.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Yeah, I had a configuration profile and that did not come with me. I forgot about that. That’s a good point.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco And I think profiles aren’t transferred, intentionally, I think.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John So anyway,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco so I did it to reset up my email, and I’m like, you know what, forget it, I’m just gonna do the old single app password

⏹️ ▶️ Marco method, which is what, their website now offers, I think, only

⏹️ ▶️ Marco that? I think they stopped

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, Casey offering. No, no,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey no, they still do the configuration profile, but the way you do it is by going

⏹️ ▶️ Casey and generating a single site or single app password, and then if I recall correctly, it’s at the bottom

⏹️ ▶️ Casey of the page. they’re like, oh, you can just do a profile too. But you have to go through the steps of creating the password in order to

⏹️ ▶️ Casey get to that point, which I’m not sure, maybe this is FastMail’s one flaw. I don’t know why that’s the way they

⏹️ ▶️ Casey do it. When I set it up originally, when I first joined FastMail just a few months ago, that is not how I remember it happening,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey but as we’ve established many times on the show, my memory is garbage, so who knows? Yeah,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco well, anyway, I didn’t do, so anyway, I set it up just with like, you know, single app password and regular, you know, custom iMap setup

⏹️ ▶️ Marco and everything, and it was fine. When my phone did remind me at the arbitrary time

⏹️ ▶️ Marco afterwards, hey you want to transfer your watch over? I was a little concerned because my phone manages two

⏹️ ▶️ Marco watches, mine and my son’s through family setup. And family

⏹️ ▶️ Marco setup, it’s one of those things, you know, like a lot of things that involve the watch, it’s one of those things that

⏹️ ▶️ Marco seems kind of half-baked and fragile, and I don’t really want to mess with it more than I

⏹️ ▶️ Marco have to. But I thought, you know what, you know, we’ll do it for the show, let’s see what it actually does.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco And it transferred his correctly, But in the middle of transferring

⏹️ ▶️ Marco mine, iOS said, hey, we had this really important update

⏹️ ▶️ Marco for the iPhone 14 that fixes activation issues, the messages and stuff. You really should install this right

⏹️ ▶️ Marco now. So I said, okay, forgetting that the watch is in the middle of the transfer.

⏹️ ▶️ John Yeah, I saw that notification a lot too during both of my setups and I was like, not today, Satan. Like there’s

⏹️ ▶️ John no way I’m touching

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco that.

⏹️ ▶️ John Cause I just knew like, this is not the time to, I knew what the update was about. I had seen the bug reports and

⏹️ ▶️ John they’re like, I understood for some people, like they couldn’t get activated and they definitely needed to do that. But I know

⏹️ ▶️ John you want me to update it, but I need to get everything settled before I even think about touching that.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Well, I touched it and it broke my watch setup and I had to, I ended up in the state

⏹️ ▶️ Marco that we’ve seen before and then we’ve heard other people report where the watch thinks nothing is wrong,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco but no phone thinks it’s paired to the watch. Neither the old one nor the new one think it has the watch paired.

⏹️ ▶️ John I’ve been in that state many times with my wife’s watch and I don’t understand it and it is terrible.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah, and as far as I can tell, the only way to get out of the situation is to on the watch go to settings general, reset,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco erase the whole watch from it.

⏹️ ▶️ John Which feels totally wrong, especially for someone like me who I don’t actually own a watch. The only time I ever interact with it is when

⏹️ ▶️ John I’m trying to get it set up for my wife and she’s annoyed that it’s taking so long. So

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco it’s not a good experience.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Exactly, so I went through that and I had to reset my whole watch up which is a big

⏹️ ▶️ Marco pain in the butt. Not as big of a pain in the butt as trying to get all your slacks back in order, but it is still a pain in the butt.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco And so eventually I got that working and everything else went fine. So overall, it was only that weird

⏹️ ▶️ Marco watch hiccup. Everything else went perfectly. All of my stuff did transfer with all the passwords

⏹️ ▶️ Marco and logins and everything, including Slack, which for some reason never does, but it included it this

⏹️ ▶️ Marco time. So I was very pleased with the device-to-device transfer. It worked with

⏹️ ▶️ Marco one exception of the weird watch hiccup, which I guess was partly my fault for accepting the software update.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Other than that, it was great.

⏹️ ▶️ John Can I just post an image of, I know we’re gonna talk about our experience with the phone, just one thing, one

⏹️ ▶️ John thing that we don’t have a bullet item for that I think is worth me mentioning here because I did not expect

⏹️ ▶️ John it. Take a look at this image I just put in the chat.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah. Okay. It’s a status bar 1241. You have full Wi-Fi, full bars

⏹️ ▶️ Marco and you know, 80% battery.

⏹️ ▶️ John So this was like maybe my second or third day of using my new phone.

⏹️ ▶️ John Uh, and I thought something about my phone was broken because I, there was just something

⏹️ ▶️ John I couldn’t Again, it was just a mental block. This says 1241 as the time in the status bar.

⏹️ ▶️ John That’s 1241 AM. Look at my battery level.

⏹️ ▶️ John I woke up in the morning and unplugged my phone from my nightstand charger, and I used my phone all day

⏹️ ▶️ John like I normally do, nothing weird about this particular day. And I went

⏹️ ▶️ John from waking up in the morning at like 7 AM to 1241 AM the next day, and

⏹️ ▶️ John I’m at like 80% charge. Oh,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey I thought you had put it on the charger for a while and it was doing that optimized charging thing.

⏹️ ▶️ John No, this is just me using my phone. And

⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey the reason I thought it

⏹️ ▶️ John was broken, for the first few days I was using my phone, every time I looked at my phone, the battery meter was

⏹️ ▶️ John full. And like, isn’t that great to have a fresh battery? You know, you got that 12 pro, the battery’s probably crappy now. I got a nice

⏹️ ▶️ John fresh battery in this 14 pro. And everyone’s saying the 14 pro battery life sucks,

⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey right? Yeah, same. I thought

⏹️ ▶️ John maybe like, I know that there was this big controversy or like putting the percentage in the thing and not having the

⏹️ ▶️ John little like color fill the thing. The color was always 100% full, but then the number would say, you know, 62,

⏹️ ▶️ John but the thing would like, but I’m like, I don’t have the number. I’m like, is my status bar broken? Why does my

⏹️ ▶️ John phone always show full charge? And then on this day, why was I up at 1241? I don’t know, I was probably watching,

⏹️ ▶️ John finishing watching a car rebuilding YouTube video before going to bed, ill-advisedly, right? And I looked

⏹️ ▶️ John at my battery, I’m like, okay, this is ridiculous. How do I have 80% battery at 1241 AM after waking up at seven

⏹️ ▶️ John and using my phone like I normally do? How is that even happening? Who knows the answer?

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco What are you

⏹️ ▶️ Marco doing on your phone? Like what

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John are you not doing?

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah, like you’re probably not running Instagram. Definitely not running TikTok.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John I

⏹️ ▶️ John mean, I wasn’t using my phone any differently than I normally do in terms of which apps I use. Look at the percentage.

⏹️ ▶️ John It’s like, you know, YouTube, Twitter-ific. Like it’s like what I do with my phone, messages, whatever. What’s the answer?

⏹️ ▶️ John What am I not remembering here?

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Do you have it on like a MagSafe charger somewhere throughout the day? That’s

⏹️ ▶️ John right, my MagSafe car charger.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Mm,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John there we go.

⏹️ ▶️ John I do a lot of driving around in my car. That’s not anything different than I normally do, driving to and from school,

⏹️ ▶️ John going to the supermarket, like, you know, like just normal daily errands, right? The difference

⏹️ ▶️ John is now, every time I got in the car and just smacked my phone into that magnet, it was

⏹️ ▶️ John charging. It would never go down. It would be 100% all day long because my day

⏹️ ▶️ John is just constantly broken up by driving around and doing the normal sort of like errands and stuff. And

⏹️ ▶️ John every time I was in the car, I was on the MagSafe and the trips were long enough to push it back to 100%. This

⏹️ ▶️ John totally surprised me. This has nothing to do with the phone, obviously has everything to do with, hey, if you have a car

⏹️ ▶️ John and your phone has MagSafe, consider getting a MagSafe charger that plugs into the USB

⏹️ ▶️ John port in your car. It may totally change your perception of your phone’s battery life,

⏹️ ▶️ John if your day, like mine, involves driving around a lot.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Yeah. I did not even think about that. That’s a good point because my preliminary experience, and I’m jumping ahead a

⏹️ ▶️ Casey little bit, but my preliminary experience is the battery, I don’t feel like the battery is as good as my 13

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Pro. Like I feel, this is very unscientific, very, very unscientific, but

⏹️ ▶️ Casey I feel like I am not doing as well, but I’ve only had the phone since Friday, we’re recording

⏹️ ▶️ Casey on a Wednesday. I don’t know how much of the like processing happens on battery. I don’t know how

⏹️ ▶️ Casey bad the always on display is. I also have the haptic keyboard, or I had the haptic keyboard on

⏹️ ▶️ Casey for most of the last few days. Maybe that’s causing, not problems, but causing a drain.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey I don’t know, but my

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, John experience- It’s causing

⏹️ ▶️ Casey problems. Well, I don’t, I would not say that the battery has impressed me so far.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Marco, what has your experience been?

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I’m like you, I’m still on the point where I’m assuming that there is a software

⏹️ ▶️ Marco bug or some kind of runaway process because my battery life has been pretty mediocre.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco And on the 13 Pro, it was pretty good most of the

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John time. So

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I’m blaming this on iOS 16 slash new phone setup, you know, who dis,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco background processes, spotlight indexing, whatever stuff is going on on a new installation. Indexing

⏹️ ▶️ Marco your mail, because

⏹️ ▶️ John didn’t they redo how mail indexes

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco stuff? They did,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco yeah. So my battery life is poor, but it seems like

⏹️ ▶️ Marco it’s that type of poor, not this phone is mediocre kind of poor. So I’m willing to give

⏹️ ▶️ Marco that a little while. One thing, while we’re on the topic of the always on screen, what do you think

⏹️ ▶️ Marco about it so far?

⏹️ ▶️ Casey I don’t have a strong opinion about it, to be honest with you. I think

⏹️ ▶️ Casey if I have an opinion, I slightly lean toward, I don’t think I wanna stick with it. I am sticking

⏹️ ▶️ Casey with it for now, but I don’t think it affords me a whole lot

⏹️ ▶️ Casey because every time I look at my phone, generally speaking, my notifications, there are fewer

⏹️ ▶️ Casey on screen, which is by design with iOS 16, which aesthetically I think is an improvement.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey But beyond that, they’re in the, I don’t forget the term for it, but they’re in the like don’t show details mode. And

⏹️ ▶️ Casey I think what I kind of expected, and I understand why it’s not this way, but I kind of expected

⏹️ ▶️ Casey that let’s say I have my phone on my desk and I have a, what is it? A 12 South elevation

⏹️ ▶️ Casey dock or something like that. It’s a very, very old dock, but it points the phone up at my face, right? You know what I’m

⏹️ ▶️ Casey saying? It’s not just sitting flat on the desk desktop, it’s pointed basically at me. And I think I had expected

⏹️ ▶️ Casey that with the always on display, if I look down at the phone, it would see I’m giving it attention, it would

⏹️ ▶️ Casey scan my face, and then it would show me the contents of all these notifications that are on my screen.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey And it doesn’t do that. It doesn’t just sit there looking to see if you’re looking at it. It waits until you touch it.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey And I don’t love that. Like I understand why, because it would be a huge battery drain, I’m sure,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey to just sit there pinging away at the face ID sensor, but it feels kind of, it’s

⏹️ ▶️ Casey not what I expect. It’s not what I expect at all. And I’m going to stick with it for another week or two, but I think I might end

⏹️ ▶️ Casey up turning the always on off. What do you think?

⏹️ ▶️ John Here’s what I did on the first day with always on. So I had already set up IOS 16 lock

⏹️ ▶️ John screens on my old phone. All right. So I played with them a little bit. But of course, that changes the equation

⏹️ ▶️ John a little bit for always on because now you also have a new way to see your lock screen, which is slightly dimmed.

⏹️ ▶️ John And, you know, and selecting every widgets may change based on what you might want to see on the slightly dim thing or whatever.

⏹️ ▶️ John I played with that. I did, you know, I made a couple of different setups that I thought

⏹️ ▶️ John would be good with always on. The first problem I encountered was that the lock

⏹️ ▶️ John screens I had made for iOS 16 and my 12 Pro, pictures of my family, which

⏹️ ▶️ John I think maybe we talked about in the last show. I don’t have any photos that fit a long skinny lock screen.

⏹️ ▶️ John So

⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey I had to like

⏹️ ▶️ John use, you know, AI extensions of backgrounds to get the right arrangement. But anyways, pictures of my family and

⏹️ ▶️ John the cool feature of iOS 16 is you can make it so the lock screen and like has several pictures

⏹️ ▶️ John and rotates through them. So you don’t have to pick just one. So I just put everything on my family. That was nice.

⏹️ ▶️ John The problem with that is, and I said last week, like I keep thinking I’m getting a call, a telephone call.

⏹️ ▶️ John Always on screen exacerbates that because when my phone sitting on a surface and it’s always on

⏹️ ▶️ John and I glance at it and I see a picture of my wife, like, oh, my wife’s calling. I must not have heard the phone vibrate. No, my wife’s

⏹️ ▶️ John not calling. She’s just the lock screen and it’s always on, right? I expect my phone to be

⏹️ ▶️ John dark, total black screen when it’s sitting on the table next to me and only light up

⏹️ ▶️ John when a phone call is incoming. I did put a bunch of other stuff there to see

⏹️ ▶️ John if there was utility that I could extract from having a screen that was always on. And

⏹️ ▶️ John I don’t think I ever, maybe it’s a habit I needed to get into, like, oh, maybe I don’t glance

⏹️ ▶️ John at it because I don’t expect there to be anything in there and now that there is, I’ll glance at it and maybe when third parties have better widgets on the lock

⏹️ ▶️ John screen, it’ll do. but for now I’m not getting a lot of utility out of it. This is day one with the Tome, like I just got

⏹️ ▶️ John to give it a little bit of time. So when I went to bed on day one, I put my phone on my nightstand

⏹️ ▶️ John as I always do, I plugged it in because I charge with the cable at night. And then I realized, wait

⏹️ ▶️ John a second, that screen’s not gonna go off. And yes, I could

⏹️ ▶️ John turn my phone over with the screen down, but sometimes you wake up in the night and you wanna like, look

⏹️ ▶️ John at something or like, I don’t know, it’s just, that was the last straw for me. I lasted less than 24

⏹️ ▶️ John hours with the always on screen. I said, no, I can’t have, even just emitting the light into the room. And it’s

⏹️ ▶️ John like, if it’s gonna be always on, but I don’t want the light and I put it facing down, now you got light leaking out

⏹️ ▶️ John of the little edges. And it’s like, well, what’s the, and if you’re gonna face it down, what’s the point of it being always on anyway?

⏹️ ▶️ John And I said, I can’t, I’m not ready for this. I can’t do it. I don’t, it’s not, you know,

⏹️ ▶️ John again, I didn’t give it a good chance because it was less than 24 hours, but the bedside stand, I cannot

⏹️ ▶️ John have my screen on during that time. If they had a special feature for always on that always on except when you’re sleeping,

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco maybe I would

⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey have left it on. They do. But I turned

⏹️ ▶️ John it off and I haven’t looked back and I don’t miss it, right? I had, you know, I don’t think I

⏹️ ▶️ John gave it a good chance but I would much rather have, not that I really needed apparently, but I

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco would

⏹️ ▶️ John much rather have the tiny amount of additional battery life that I may be getting from not having the always on screen

⏹️ ▶️ John than whatever utility I could extract from having that screen. So now I’m back to the old way and

⏹️ ▶️ John I like it better.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey So they do have that mode where it automatically goes all the way off when you’re sleeping that is when you have a sleep

⏹️ ▶️ Casey focus.

⏹️ ▶️ John I do not have a sleep focus.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Or a sleep

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, John mode, whatever it is. I intentionally

⏹️ ▶️ John don’t have a sleep focus, so I don’t use focus modes, I don’t have a sleep thing, I don’t do sleep tracking, and that’s all intentional because

⏹️ ▶️ John I don’t, I try that stuff and I don’t, I know a lot of people prefer to have their phone operate differently during

⏹️ ▶️ John different scenarios like this, but I found that I don’t prefer that,

⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey so.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey I might be misspeaking, I don’t know if it’s a sleep focus or a sleep mode, but maybe it’s sleep mode.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey I think it predates the focus, but one way or another, when your phone is of the opinion that you are sleeping

⏹️ ▶️ Casey and it enters whatever sleep mode you’re supposed to be in, then it will turn the screen all the way off. Yeah,

⏹️ ▶️ John I mean, cause I plugged it in and put it on my nightstand and just went to try to go to sleep and then it was just like

⏹️ ▶️ John shining at me. Maybe if I had given it 15 more minutes, it would have turned off, but I never gave it that chance. I’m like, that’s

⏹️ ▶️ John it. Cause I was already on the edge. I was already on the edge of saying, maybe I just want to turn this off, but that was just the last straw.

⏹️ ▶️ John And I’m like, nope, you will not be lit up on my nightstand.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Also the screen will turn itself all the way off when the phone is upside down.

⏹️ ▶️ John Yeah, anyway, like I said, if you’re gonna do that anyway, like then what’s the point? Like why have the always on screen is not providing any value

⏹️ ▶️ John and

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco I don’t want it

⏹️ ▶️ John to be facing down, I want it to be facing up. I wanna be able to tap it and make it come awake and maybe like scratch

⏹️ ▶️ John my little head over to his face ID, excuse me. So I can see what that notification is from. These

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco are

⏹️ ▶️ John all like habits built from, I guess from the iPhone 10 on, right? The fact that the screen does wake

⏹️ ▶️ John up when you touch it, that face ID will scan you, and you know, where it is on my nightstand, it’s just those habits

⏹️ ▶️ John are still pretty well ingrained. So I’m gonna just grab the little sliver of battery life until

⏹️ ▶️ John some other reason compels me to enable that feature.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey All right, Marco, I do wanna go back to transfer stuff for a second, but before we do, why don’t we finish our thoughts about the always-on

⏹️ ▶️ Casey display?

⏹️ ▶️ Marco So first of all, to try to solve the nightstand issue, I didn’t know that

⏹️ ▶️ Marco the sleep, I haven’t quite nailed down when the phone is in sleep mode for me, because

⏹️ ▶️ Marco the only two focus modes I have are nothing and do not disturb.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco and I have auto do not disturb during a set hour range at night when I’m sleeping. And

⏹️ ▶️ Marco so what I did for that, which and maybe I should be doing this with a sleep focus instead.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco But what I what I the way I set that up before knowing this two seconds ago was I

⏹️ ▶️ Marco just changed my lock screen for dinner disturb to have a black solid background.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Um and then that and that could that way I could still see

⏹️ ▶️ John you probably also do this from for shortcuts to like isn’t there a shortcut for like when when you’re in do Do not disturb

⏹️ ▶️ John mode run this shortcut and the shortcut could maybe the shortcut can even turn off the always on display. Like there’s probably a

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco lot of maybe

⏹️ ▶️ John doing

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco shortcuts. Yeah there is. Yeah

⏹️ ▶️ Marco so maybe but yeah so I just I just had like a separate screen that’s just all black and I reduced

⏹️ ▶️ Marco the number of widgets down to basically nothing except my alarm and that’s it and

⏹️ ▶️ Marco and it’s fine but you know I never knew like I can’t haven’t figured out like when it when the screen

⏹️ ▶️ Marco is actually on like I woke up in the middle of the night last night and I wanted to see what time it was and the

⏹️ ▶️ Marco screen was off so I had to tap it to wake it up to see the time. So I thought that was kind of, anyway, maybe the phone

⏹️ ▶️ Marco has some concept of when I’m asleep that I didn’t set up. Anyway, I’ll look into that. But going back to the

⏹️ ▶️ Marco OS on screen itself, I am not usually a leave

⏹️ ▶️ Marco the phone on the table kind of person. Like usually, like the phone’s in my pocket. And I take

⏹️ ▶️ Marco it out when I’m using it, in which case it’s on. One area that I have found it to be useful is

⏹️ ▶️ Marco when I’m showering, I prop the phone up on a shelf to play podcasts

⏹️ ▶️ Marco and I’m able now to see what time it is. So if I like have to be somewhere and I’m taking a quick shower

⏹️ ▶️ Marco before I go there, I now have a clock that I can see the whole time,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco not just within a minute or two of when I last tapped it.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John So that’s nice. You must

⏹️ ▶️ John have the world’s quietest shower. I cannot imagine even at max volume

⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey being able to hear

⏹️ ▶️ John and understand a podcast while in the shower with a phone that is not in the shower with me.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco No, it’s in the shower. There’s a shower, it’s an outdoor shower. It’s a whole thing. All

⏹️ ▶️ John right, my new recommendation is Don’t bring your phone in the shower with you. Get a Sonos Roam.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco No, the phone speaker, now the phones are pretty waterproof. As long as you don’t get

⏹️ ▶️ Marco water in the speaker, which makes it sound like crap and very muffled for

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John a little while.

⏹️ ▶️ John You have it propped up in a water rich environment. Is this gonna like slip and fall into the floor of your shower and shatter?

⏹️ ▶️ Marco No, it’s far enough away from the water spray that

⏹️ ▶️ John it doesn’t. I’m telling you, get it. I mean, a Sonos Roam is expensive, although I often have discounts, so you should talk to me about that. But anyway,

⏹️ ▶️ John it has better sound quality than an iPhone. You should at least appreciate

⏹️ ▶️ Marco that. that’s not that much better anyway. So the Sun House Rome is not better than the iPhones

⏹️ ▶️ John built

⏹️ ▶️ Marco in

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John which is

⏹️ ▶️ Marco a little tubler own bar is at the room.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John Yes, that’s the wrong.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco No, it’s not that much better. Now

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John it is what I’m better than my phone

⏹️ ▶️ Marco speakers are actually there for podcast. They’re great for music. They’re okay,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco you know in the shower context. It’s fine like you I used to use this whole category of like cheap

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Bluetooth waterproof speakers that you like you know someone had like a suction cup you could put on the wall of the shower.

⏹️ ▶️ John No, Rome is not cheap though.

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco I know I

⏹️ ▶️ Marco know yeah nothing by someone is is cheap. But anyway, like, you know, all of that, you know, the whole category

⏹️ ▶️ Marco of like inexpensive waterproof Bluetooth speakers, that whole category now is made

⏹️ ▶️ Marco irrelevant by modern iPhones being water resistant and having pretty decent speakers on them.

⏹️ ▶️ John So weird with your audio things that you insist on these super expensive headphones, but your your way you listen to

⏹️ ▶️ John podcasts is through the phones built in speakers.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Yeah, I’m team john on this one

⏹️ ▶️ Marco boggles my mind. A lot of people do it anyway. So, actually always on

⏹️ ▶️ Marco screen that’s how we got here the biggest problem I have with the always

⏹️ ▶️ Marco on screen is that you have as Keisha was saying it looks like it’s interactive

⏹️ ▶️ Marco and so when I try to interact with it I can’t yet I have to tap it first to wake it up or lift

⏹️ ▶️ Marco it in a such a way that that makes it wake up and so so often I I need to tap

⏹️ ▶️ Marco it and just wait and I wait for it to animate in and it’s it’s very frustrating and and I I

⏹️ ▶️ Marco don’t I don’t know what the The solution to that is that it’s actually doable.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I see it’s a hard problem and I’m not sure how

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John to solve

⏹️ ▶️ John it. Do you think that’s a policy choice though? I don’t think there’s a tech thing stopping them from having it be responsive

⏹️ ▶️ John immediately because the phone is running, the screen is on, it’s obviously sensitive to your touches, they’ve just

⏹️ ▶️ John chosen to say the first… Maybe that’s to avoid accidental input or similar

⏹️ ▶️ John type of stuff because you think your your phone is in the basically the off lock position. You don’t

⏹️ ▶️ John want a clumsy grab to start an interaction, but I don’t think there’s any tech barrier to

⏹️ ▶️ John them implementing that UI policy, which is first touch counts, it goes through, it lets

⏹️ ▶️ John you interact with

⏹️ ▶️ Marco it. Yeah, I mean, I’m sure there are reasons like that, that, you know, I’m sure they considered it, maybe tested

⏹️ ▶️ Marco it, figured out it wasn’t worth it.

⏹️ ▶️ John Or maybe they’re cranking down the frequency of the touch sensor, you know, they crank down the screen refresh

⏹️ ▶️ John to be one Hertz, maybe the touch sensitivity is down to one hertz too to also save battery. That could be a technical barrier.

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco Or

⏹️ ▶️ Marco maybe that would be kind of unresponsive when you tap the screen to wake it up. Maybe it’s like 10 hertz. That’s still

⏹️ ▶️ Marco way less than the usual rate of 60 or 120. Isn’t it like 240? No, it’s on the

⏹️ ▶️ John iPad. The iPad does double. That’s the pencil refresh rate. Yeah,

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco right. Anyway,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco so yeah, so that part is weird to me. I also found, I left it on 16.0

⏹️ ▶️ Marco for the first couple days, and now I’m on the 16.1 beta. On 16.0, it was very buggy.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I had tons of always on screen bugs where it wouldn’t wake up or

⏹️ ▶️ Marco it would wake up and all the notifications would be square and they would pop in as round. And there were tons of rendering

⏹️ ▶️ Marco problems. It was super buggy in 16.0, but 16.1 beta seems to be better in that respect. So

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I’m guessing that was just things coming in pretty hot for the release of the phones. But yeah, so overall, I like lock screen widgets.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I like having an always on clock on the phone.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Everything else about the always on screen, like it is kind of a mixed bag. I haven’t noticed

⏹️ ▶️ Marco particular battery problems with it. We’ll see. I do wish there was an option

⏹️ ▶️ Marco to have either a black background or at least let me set a different wallpaper

⏹️ ▶️ Marco for locked mode than for active mode because that would solve your wife waking up the phone with,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco or your wife’s looking like a phone call problem.

⏹️ ▶️ John Exactly, and also the light emitting like that. I mean, that’s basically how most Android phones, especially the initial

⏹️ ▶️ John batch of them many years ago, did their always on screen to save battery life is that they basically forced

⏹️ ▶️ John you to have an all black screen with some dim letters on it. That’s what we thought Apple was gonna do. We’re kind of surprised.

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco Right, we

⏹️ ▶️ John talked about that. Yeah, when they said, no, it’s gonna be just like literally your full image. Like

⏹️ ▶️ John it’s weird that they don’t even give you the option to differentiate that. Kind of the same way it’s weird that they pair, that you have

⏹️ ▶️ John to assign these pairs of like lock screen and a home screen. Cause I always want my home screen

⏹️ ▶️ John to be a hundred percent but every time I make a new lock screen, I have to re-specify that over and over again.

⏹️ ▶️ John Just tedious.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I don’t just want the black background when I’m in don’t disturb or

⏹️ ▶️ Marco sleep mode.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John I

⏹️ ▶️ Marco want the black background always when it is locked, and then when I wake it up, I want it to be my nice weather

⏹️ ▶️ Marco face for my iOS 16. Like that’s, that I want. And that would also help

⏹️ ▶️ Marco distinguish when it’s not awake. So that can help tell me, like,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I can’t touch this in this mode. If touching this will do nothing.

⏹️ ▶️ John Yeah, because it doesn’t look like a screen that’s like, oh, my iPhone is on, I can interact with it. It looks like a lock

⏹️ ▶️ John screen. It looks like a sort of idle, you know, I’m just now a dumb clock with some widgets on it. Yeah,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco it’s funny, literally one second ago, it turned 9.30 p.m. and my screen just

⏹️ ▶️ Marco changed to my automatic do not disturb mode. And so it just turned

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, Casey to all black

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John right as we were

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, Casey talking

⏹️ ▶️ Marco about that. And it looks so much better in the all black mode when it’s sitting there on my desk, you

⏹️ ▶️ Marco know, locked. It looks so much better. I mean, maybe I’ll just give up

⏹️ ▶️ Marco and just not have a lock screen wallpaper anymore and just have it always be black and see if

⏹️ ▶️ Marco that works. But I do love that weather lock screen in iOS 16 when

⏹️ ▶️ Marco the phone is active in my hand. I love that. So maybe, I don’t know, I’ll play with it. But

⏹️ ▶️ Marco that’s the one thing, yeah, it not being interactive and it having to only

⏹️ ▶️ Marco be your wallpaper and not having like a separate, you know, solid color black mode or something like that.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Those are my wish list items. And I don’t know how they can solve the interactive part,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco but I do wish they would solve the solid color preference.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey To go back very quickly to the transfer process, I forgot to mention earlier, when the transfer was

⏹️ ▶️ Casey happening, and this happened for both Aaron and myself, and even for a few hours

⏹️ ▶️ Casey after the transfer, I found that both of us were returning back to a terrible,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey terrible time from years ago, we were missing text messages.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, Marco Oh no.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Yes. But what it gets worse. I can’t blame this on Android phones. This time

⏹️ ▶️ Casey we were missing. I messages. We were activated. Like I, we could

⏹️ ▶️ Casey send I messages back and forth to each other, but we’re in a couple of group chats together

⏹️ ▶️ Casey and one of us would miss like an hour or two or three worth of time in the group chats.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey This seems knock on wood to have righted itself. I immediately did the 16.0.1

⏹️ ▶️ Casey upgrade or whatever that update was. You guys were talking about earlier where they were like, Oh my gosh, you won’t be able to iMessage unless

⏹️ ▶️ Casey you put this update in yesterday. We did that on both the phones. I don’t know what happened and I think

⏹️ ▶️ Casey it’s resolved itself, but even on Saturday, this is almost a full 24 hours. I

⏹️ ▶️ Casey actually think it was a full 24 hours after we had gotten our phones. Um, even then I was missing a bunch

⏹️ ▶️ Casey of messages from a group chat And I message only group chat. It hasn’t happened since I think Saturday

⏹️ ▶️ Casey morning for me, but it has happened. That was really weird and very unusual and I

⏹️ ▶️ Casey did not like it. Uh, also while I’m talking, one other thing I meant to bring up earlier, and then I think we can finally

⏹️ ▶️ Casey move on and talk about the dynamic Island. In-store pickup when you live in a not humongously

⏹️ ▶️ Casey populated area. Oh my gosh, it was so great. I ended up getting, if you recall my tale

⏹️ ▶️ Casey of woe where I ordered an extra phone by accident, uh, but for shipping, well, anyways, I had ordered

⏹️ ▶️ Casey what I believe to be our two true phones, one per person, and I did that for an 8.45

⏹️ ▶️ Casey in-store pickup. I showed up at like 8.30 thinking, oh, it’s going to be a zoo and they’re going to kick me

⏹️ ▶️ Casey out and say, wait around for 15 minutes. At the Apple store near me,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey they could not have cared less that I was there early. Didn’t even ask me what time it was for. In fact, I’m

⏹️ ▶️ Casey pretty sure I had overheard somebody say to a fellow employee, We don’t care what

⏹️ ▶️ Casey time it is as long as it’s for today. So I hypothetically could have gotten like a 3 p.m.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey pickup appointment and I don’t think I would have been turned away at 8.30 in the morning. But anyway,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey I was in and out in the span of like 20 minutes and it was amazing. And I had my iPhones

⏹️ ▶️ Casey in my hand before 9 o’clock in the morning. And when, again, if you recall, where

⏹️ ▶️ Casey we live, we don’t get UPS shipments until like 5, 6, 7 o’clock at night. So I had an extra 12

⏹️ ▶️ Casey hours worth of iPhone that I wouldn’t have had otherwise. And for the first time possibly ever, maybe

⏹️ ▶️ Casey since like the 5S, whenever I’d done the in-store pickup line last, I was one of

⏹️ ▶️ Casey the first people to have my phone instead of all of my friends, even the many on the West Coast,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey getting their phones before me and making me very jealous. I really recommend

⏹️ ▶️ Casey if you live in a regular place, trying the in-store pickup. It worked super well. Now, if you’re trying to go

⏹️ ▶️ Casey to like Fifth Avenue or Covent Garden or whatever it is, I bet this experience would not be quite so pleasurable, but if you

⏹️ ▶️ Casey live in a, you know, normal sized place, I really, really recommend it.

⏹️ ▶️ John I have one more setup thing as well. I totally forgot about this, probably blocked it out. After I had done the second setup,

⏹️ ▶️ John after I wiped and did device device transfer, there were still a couple of cleanup

⏹️ ▶️ John settings that I needed to do and the test flights and stuff. And the second time around, not the first

⏹️ ▶️ John time around, the first time around, I did this immediately. But the second time around, I had forgot until a little bit after

⏹️ ▶️ John I had started doing setup. oh yeah, I’ve got to rename this phone because for whatever reason, Apple has not yet cracked the

⏹️ ▶️ John algorithm of my phone naming scheme, which is John’s iPhone number

⏹️ ▶️ John of iPhone. And so when I do device to device transfer,

⏹️ ▶️ John my new phone is called John’s iPhone 12 Pro parentheses two.

⏹️ ▶️ John Good job, Apple. Excellent. Use that machine learning. But you know, so you go into

⏹️ ▶️ John settings, general, about, and change it to John’s iPhone 14 Pro. And

⏹️ ▶️ John I did that and I was like, okay, fine. But then as I was wandering around settings and looking at other things, I noticed,

⏹️ ▶️ John and also I was looking on the website or whatever, my iCloud backup and my device list

⏹️ ▶️ John and everything having to do with like the iCloud knowledge of this device says John’s iPhone 12

⏹️ ▶️ John Pro, 12 Pro parentheses two, everywhere. Says it on the website,

⏹️ ▶️ John says it on, if you look at iCloud backup, and you know, on my phone says 14 pro, right?

⏹️ ▶️ John When I pair my phone with my car, it says iPhone, John’s iPhone 14 pro, but every place else on

⏹️ ▶️ John Apple server side incarnation of this phone, it says John’s iPhone 12 pro parentheses two.

⏹️ ▶️ John And again, I tried to sit with it. I’m like, ah, it’ll probably fix itself in an hour or two. Eventually it didn’t.

⏹️ ▶️ John I’m like, this cannot stand. I can’t, I can’t have this. I can’t go to like, you

⏹️ ▶️ John know, whatever the equivalent of and see my devices listed. Cause inevitably

⏹️ ▶️ John I’ll get confused and say, Oh, John’s iPhone 12 Pro, I should get rid of that. It’s not mine anymore. I transferred it to my son. I

⏹️ ▶️ John should delete that device and I would end up deleting my actual phone. It has to say 14 Pro

⏹️ ▶️ John and it wouldn’t. So there I am Googling again, finding desperate people on Apple support threads having

⏹️ ▶️ John exact same problem from three years ago. The only thing I could find, a

⏹️ ▶️ John lot of the people have suggestions for solutions and then the thread ends and you never hear,

⏹️ ▶️ John there’s never any conclusion to the thread of like, well, did you try that? Did it work? The only thing I saw

⏹️ ▶️ John that someone said they did that worked, can you guess what it is? Of course, can you guess what it is? Restarting Discovery,

⏹️ ▶️ John D?

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Restarting the phone?

⏹️ ▶️ John No, I wish it was that easy. Of course I did that already. No, signing out of iCloud. Oh no!

⏹️ ▶️ John Oh God! Boo! So

⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey guess what I did?

⏹️ ▶️ John On my newly set up, second time around phone, I had to sign out of iCloud.

⏹️ ▶️ John That’s no fun at all. And then sign back in. And we all know how painful that is. Oh yes.

⏹️ ▶️ John And it was just another like three and a half hours of just

⏹️ ▶️ John getting everything in, going to my preferred playlist and making it download, waiting for messages to sync.

⏹️ ▶️ John That long period of time when you launch messages and everything is phone numbers and your contacts still aren’t there and you’re

⏹️ ▶️ John wondering if it’s going to work. And then an hour later, finally it springs into existence. This is

⏹️ ▶️ John all because the phone like, oh, I even did the thing of like, maybe it’s because it did an iCloud backup with the

⏹️ ▶️ John old name and I just need to do a new iCloud backup then I tried everything before I gave up and signed out of iCloud,

⏹️ ▶️ John but that’s the only thing I did that worked. I tried everything else, restarting the phone, doing a new

⏹️ ▶️ John iCloud backup, like changing the name again, and just like, just everything I could think of, everything

⏹️ ▶️ John I could find, nothing worked. Apple’s server-side incarnation, maybe if I had waited 48 hours or a week,

⏹️ ▶️ John it would have eventually gotten a clue, but I couldn’t risk that because I would have just forgot about it. I had to sign

⏹️ ▶️ John out of iCloud and back in. So I would suggest, my second suggestion is, one, use device-to-device transfer, and two,

⏹️ ▶️ John immediately go to settings general about and change the name of your phone to not be your old

⏹️ ▶️ John full name parentheses two.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey I’m so sorry, John. All right, let’s talk Dynamic Island. For me,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey I like it ish now, but I think I’m going to really like

⏹️ ▶️ Casey it in the future. And I noticed that generally speaking, I don’t think much of it.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey When I’m watching full screen video, I don’t think I like it because oftentimes I find it more obtrusive than the notch

⏹️ ▶️ Casey or the static peninsula, excuse me. But, um, there, the handful of occasions

⏹️ ▶️ Casey where I’ve been playing a podcast or listening to music or whatever, and you start to get that

⏹️ ▶️ Casey live activity stuff on the sides of, you know, the normal dynamic Island, that is super

⏹️ ▶️ Casey cool. When you start doing multiple things at the same time, when you’ve got a timer running

⏹️ ▶️ Casey and you’re listening to overcast, holy cow, having this like multitasking

⏹️ ▶️ Casey switcher at the top of your screen is super duper cool and I am

⏹️ ▶️ Casey really loving that. And so hopefully this won’t

⏹️ ▶️ Casey be abused by third party developers and I don’t think there’s going to be a lot of opportunity to abuse it. But my

⏹️ ▶️ Casey goodness, it is super duper cool when you’ve got multiple things happening at once. The only complaint

⏹️ ▶️ Casey I have is the same complaint everyone else has, which is I wish they reversed touch and hold

⏹️ ▶️ Casey and tap. So if you touch and hold, that’s when you get this like expanded widget

⏹️ ▶️ Casey thing. And when you tap, it just opens the app. I totally get why they did that and why

⏹️ ▶️ Casey that’s the default, but I hope if nothing else, we could have a switch, which I know Apple’s mostly allergic to,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey but have a switch to reverse that, where if I tap, I get the little widgety thing so I can just quickly interact

⏹️ ▶️ Casey with something. And then if I touch and hold, that’s when I open up the entire app, because it makes more

⏹️ ▶️ Casey sense to me, right? Like a tap is a shorter gesture. I want to spend less time with what I’m

⏹️ ▶️ Casey doing. So I just want to tap, you know, hit fast forward or rewind and overcast and then tap again

⏹️ ▶️ Casey elsewhere and go away. In contrast, what I have to do is I have to tap and hold

⏹️ ▶️ Casey way to beat, and then I get my little, you know, widget area or whatever, and then I can tap

⏹️ ▶️ Casey away to go

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, John away.

⏹️ ▶️ John I think I prefer it this way because what I end up doing is bouncing back and forth. Like for example, bouncing back and forth from like,

⏹️ ▶️ John you know, navigation to overcast or something. I don’t, you know, and anyone

⏹️ ▶️ John I’m just using for like using it as a multitasking, like bounce back and forth, a switcher. I,

⏹️ ▶️ John even if that setting existed, I think I would leave it as the default.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Interesting. Okay, fair enough. And Marco, I do want to hear what you have to say about that in a second, but all in all, I think the

⏹️ ▶️ Casey dynamic island today where the only things that are really up there are like media

⏹️ ▶️ Casey apps that kind of get it for free. It’s cool. It’s nice, whatever. But I really,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey really think once you start getting like sports scores up there and lift arrivals and door dash arrivals,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey then I really think it’s going to come into its own and it’s going to be super duper cool. Marco, what are

⏹️ ▶️ Casey your thoughts and how do you feel about the tap versus long press thing?

⏹️ ▶️ Marco So I see what everyone’s saying about that, but I think Apple has it right in terms of the precedent they’ve

⏹️ ▶️ Marco already set. So if you look at like the kind of things this replaces, you know, we used to have,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I think it’s gone now with this change, but we used to have those little like

⏹️ ▶️ Marco back buttons on the upper left of the status bar. If you came from an app from an if can do an effort of their

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John own.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, Casey Yeah, yeah,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John yeah. And and tapping that gone.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco It’s still there. Oh, it is.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John Well, anyway,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco tapping that would go to that app. Meanwhile, if you have like some kind of control

⏹️ ▶️ Marco center widget, say, usually a long press will expand it into a

⏹️ ▶️ Marco bigger blob, whereas a tap will like do that thing or go to that thing. So I think

⏹️ ▶️ Marco the way they have it now fits with precedent of other behaviors in iOS where

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Tap means open and long press means like expand in like you know

⏹️ ▶️ Marco or go into in a different way like so what it’s mainly for I think is

⏹️ ▶️ Marco display first of all but I think the interaction I think is mostly for

⏹️ ▶️ Marco quick switching between the apps and that’s that’s what I see it as and that’s that’s what it does that’s what’s optimized

⏹️ ▶️ Marco for. Now you could make a case oh maybe it should you know open by default in the little you know expand view

⏹️ ▶️ Marco before it jumps over to the app but the way to do it now fits precedent. And so far,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I haven’t done a lot of multitasking yet, but like you, Casey, when it has happened that

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I’ve had something running up there, it really is delightful.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco As for my actual app, audio apps get this thing

⏹️ ▶️ Marco for free. I actually do, we’re in the middle of a whole bunch of family travel and

⏹️ ▶️ Marco events happening, and so I haven’t had a chance to dive into the API yet, but I’m thinking it

⏹️ ▶️ Marco might not be worth audio apps making their own because if it would replace

⏹️ ▶️ Marco the existing one, I think anything we make would be worse because we don’t

⏹️ ▶️ Marco have the ability to update it as quickly as Apple does. And so the cool thing to do with little level meters that are

⏹️ ▶️ Marco actually real finally for the first time anywhere in iOS ever besides

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, Casey my

⏹️ ▶️ Marco app, I don’t think the API allows me to update things that quickly and send that data that quickly. So I don’t think I could

⏹️ ▶️ Marco do that if I made my own. And I might be able to do

⏹️ ▶️ Marco other custom things here and there that I might not be able to do with the control center API that’s there now, but

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I think it would be minimal. So I’m probably not going to make my own custom thing there. And audio apps, I think, unless I’m

⏹️ ▶️ Marco wrong about what we can and can’t do, I don’t see audio apps doing a lot with that. But

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I see a lot of other apps doing a lot with that. And that is what I’m looking forward to.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco And frankly, even if it’s not well adopted by third parties, which I think it will be, but even if it’s

⏹️ ▶️ Marco not, and even until it is, even just having Apple’s built-in apps having

⏹️ ▶️ Marco support for it is extremely useful. And I find that to be

⏹️ ▶️ Marco very, very nice. And I don’t otherwise notice it that much in my day-to-day use.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Like, I see, you know, if I have a Face ID unlock or something, it

⏹️ ▶️ Marco balloons out of there, and that’s fun. But otherwise, I really don’t notice it which I think is

⏹️ ▶️ Marco a good thing.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Yeah, and when it does do any sort of dancing, like that whole dynamic nature is

⏹️ ▶️ Casey super cool and super well done. And I really do like it a lot. But I really think it’s gonna come into its

⏹️ ▶️ Casey own in the future when third parties really can embrace it. John, any thoughts?

⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey Yeah,

⏹️ ▶️ John so there’s two things that Dynamic Island

⏹️ ▶️ John brings to the table. They’re kind of combined when people talk about it, but I think it’s useful to separate them.

⏹️ ▶️ John One is a lot of the things you guys already talked about. There’s more info and UI elements at

⏹️ ▶️ John the top of your screen that are visible all the time, right? And that is made possible by the fact

⏹️ ▶️ John that the non-screen portion, like the face ID thing in the camera,

⏹️ ▶️ John is narrower than it has ever been. The notch was getting narrower and

⏹️ ▶️ John making more room for stuff in the ears, but this little lozenge, even if it wasn’t lower down,

⏹️ ▶️ John it’s narrower still. So there are more pixels available there. And one of the things Apple did

⏹️ ▶️ John was they use those pixels that are available there not to re-expand the status bar like it used to be when it used to be full

⏹️ ▶️ John width, but instead to say, I have a better idea for things that we can put

⏹️ ▶️ John on the top of your phone that are always visible now that we have this room in the

⏹️ ▶️ John modern phone, like in the post iPhone 10 era, what can we put up there, right? And their choice was

⏹️ ▶️ John you can put a little thing up there that you can use to switch back and forth apps. You can put the little now playing

⏹️ ▶️ John thing. You can allow third parties to do it. Everyone seems to love that because the idea

⏹️ ▶️ John of having more useful like globally visible information is

⏹️ ▶️ John a crowd pleaser. Like there’s a reason people like the fact that you can put little icons in your menu bar

⏹️ ▶️ John on the Mac. The menu bar is up there. It’s space that’s gonna be used anyway. People like to be able to stick stuff

⏹️ ▶️ John up there. Now they like to be able to stick stuff of their choosing and rearrange it. The iPhone is not there yet. Maybe the iPad will

⏹️ ▶️ John get there someday if it ever has a notch or if it ever has a loss and you’re low, I doubt it will. But like

⏹️ ▶️ John the idea of allowing you to see more stuff and do

⏹️ ▶️ John more things without leaving the app that you’re in. Thumbs up, everybody loves it, right?

⏹️ ▶️ John And that, and they say, well, it’s limited now but it’ll get even better with third parties, as you said. There is a second

⏹️ ▶️ John aspect to the dynamic island is the way they’ve chosen to do that is

⏹️ ▶️ John to combine a sort of, you know, fashion accessory

⏹️ ▶️ John to hide the fact that they have a cutout in the screen by saying, okay, we’re gonna have more info there, but we’re gonna make it

⏹️ ▶️ John look like that info is in this black lozenge thing

⏹️ ▶️ John that by the way, hides the middle part. You wonder why there’s never anything displayed there? Has not screen there, but like,

⏹️ ▶️ John you don’t need to know that, just, you won’t even notice that, you’ll just think, hey, they just put stuff at the edges, right? And there’ll be the cute

⏹️ ▶️ John animations and the wiggling and the blob will split and the little ball will come off and all that adorable stuff, right?

⏹️ ▶️ John And that is nice and whimsical and fun. And these two things get put together. People

⏹️ ▶️ John love seeing extra info and people love the fun, whimsy and animation or whatever of the stuff there.

⏹️ ▶️ John And I agree, all those things are good. Where I have a problem with it is that

⏹️ ▶️ John the other things that they do with this that don’t relate to showing more information

⏹️ ▶️ John to the top of your phone, like lean super heavily into the idea

⏹️ ▶️ John of the hiding of the stuff there. So for example, when you do face ID

⏹️ ▶️ John now, and a thing that used to do, they used to just do an overlay on your screen and you’d see like whatever the little happy face thing

⏹️ ▶️ John is and it would do a face ID, right? For this phone, they decided we’re going to

⏹️ ▶️ John incorporate that into the dynamic island. So now when you do face ID, the lozenge that’s in the top

⏹️ ▶️ John expands downward, kind of like the dynamic peninsula might do, It spans downward to be the face

⏹️ ▶️ John ID thing and then goes back up. The aesthetic result of that is that there is

⏹️ ▶️ John a black hole at the top of your phone that periodically expands into a very large gaping black hole

⏹️ ▶️ John and it has to be 100% black because the whole point is it’s hiding, you know,

⏹️ ▶️ John the sensor arrays that are up there, right? There is very little historically 100% black on

⏹️ ▶️ John your phone. In fact, if you’re doing driving directions when Apple Maps puts like the quote-unquote

⏹️ ▶️ John black overlay out there It says two miles right turn exit 54, right? That’s not black

⏹️ ▶️ John It’s almost black but not quite black And the reason you know that is because you can see

⏹️ ▶️ John the actual black lozenge the down of the dynamic island Punched out in the middle of the almost

⏹️ ▶️ John black directions So when that big thing comes down for face ID, it is an unprecedented

⏹️ ▶️ John intrusion of blackness of a gaping completely You know zero zero zero black

⏹️ ▶️ John hole on our phone. I I don’t find it particularly nice to see that black hole opening

⏹️ ▶️ John up on the top of my phone. It feels like an invasion of a black goo. I find it aesthetically less pleasing

⏹️ ▶️ John and the animation less pleasant and less pretty than the previous Face ID animation.

⏹️ ▶️ John Repeat this for every other thing that they do that used to be done without incorporating

⏹️ ▶️ John the dynamic island that now they decide to say, oh, that’s not a thing that appears on your screen.

⏹️ ▶️ John It actually comes out of or is a result of the growth of the dynamic island. And it results in a 100%

⏹️ ▶️ John black UI element appearing in various sizes and shapes near the top of my phone

⏹️ ▶️ John that is unrelated to the cool stuff about the dynamic island, which is, hey, now I can see more stuff, now

⏹️ ▶️ John I can get more status information. Like all that stuff is good. What I disagree with is one

⏹️ ▶️ John of the things that people think is so clever, the aesthetic design decision to say, now

⏹️ ▶️ John a bunch of UI elements on the phone that previously were not 100% black are going to be 100% black, and I don’t think it fits.

⏹️ ▶️ John Is it the end of the world? No, we’ll get used to it, it will be fine. But I was surprised

⏹️ ▶️ John at how much that bothered me from sort of a, you know, just

⏹️ ▶️ John a beauty perspective, a fashion perspective, a feeling perspective, because it’s

⏹️ ▶️ John really without any historical precedent. And I think for good reason that Apple has avoided ever doing anything 100% black

⏹️ ▶️ John because that is not part of their design language of iOS or the iPhone, but now suddenly it is. I think

⏹️ ▶️ John it works in small doses and it works as the status bar to hide the elements up there. But I mean, think of

⏹️ ▶️ John it this way. If this was 100% screen phone, I think Apple will and should continue

⏹️ ▶️ John to have all that info at the top of your phone, but they would never choose to make it 100% black.

⏹️ ▶️ John The only reason they make that choice is to hide the sensor array. And if you remove the sensor array, they can make different

⏹️ ▶️ John choices. And I think they should make different choices to change what we would know, you know,

⏹️ ▶️ John the status bar area to be more in keeping with the rest of the design of the OS.

⏹️ ▶️ John And until they can get to that point, I would prefer that they not put things into,

⏹️ ▶️ John make things part of the dynamic island that have no reason to be, because they don’t involve like extra status information

⏹️ ▶️ John at the top of your phone. Like they, you know, even just in terms of like face ID, I would prefer to see it more centered on

⏹️ ▶️ John my phone, more centered on the top half of my phone, rather than coming from the very, very tippy top like it does

⏹️ ▶️ John now, because it has to, because it has to expand to the dynamic island. And this, you know, not a complaint. I think the dynamic

⏹️ ▶️ John island’s great. I like it better than the notch. The extra information is useful. It’s all good. It’s all, it’s, this is a, this

⏹️ ▶️ John is a net improvement. It’s just this one little part of it that doesn’t appeal to me personally, that I feel like

⏹️ ▶️ John I would prefer if they make a different choice when they can in the future.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Yeah. See, I, I don’t have any of those problems. I’m not saying you’re wrong, but

⏹️ ▶️ Casey this has never bothered me. And I just looked at it again. It still doesn’t bother me even with my eyes opened. I’m again,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey not trying to say you’re wrong, but it just does not bother me at all.

⏹️ ▶️ John I mean, it’s just like an aesthetic choice. Like it’s just, it, it, it doesn’t look as nice to me. And

⏹️ ▶️ John the minorest of most monochromes I would never trade it back for the notch purely because of the extra info

⏹️ ▶️ John and UI that goes on up there. Like it is 100% a net win. It’s just, I was surprised at how much it bothered me

⏹️ ▶️ John for this black hole to be opening and closing on my iPhone.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Yeah. Cameras, I haven’t had too much time to take

⏹️ ▶️ Casey any pictures with the, or I should say I haven’t had the occasion to take many pictures with the cameras.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey They seem good so far. I don’t really have too much more to say about that. I very, very briefly

⏹️ ▶️ Casey played with today’s Halide update. I think it was today, where they added

⏹️ ▶️ Casey a toggle, a kind of fast toggle to go between 48 megapixel

⏹️ ▶️ Casey and standard 12 megapixel binned. And I’ve played with that the tiniest little

⏹️ ▶️ Casey bit. I need to spend more time with it. The size of the Mesa is, it’s

⏹️ ▶️ Casey big. I don’t find it too offensive coming from the 13 Pro, but I got

⏹️ ▶️ Casey to imagine, John, you are probably disgusted coming from the 12 Pro. Yeah,

⏹️ ▶️ John so, you know, getting back to sort of my case thing, like one of, this has

⏹️ ▶️ John nothing to do with the particular case, but it’s a thing that I noticed. When I put my phone on the

⏹️ ▶️ John table now, it’s on an angle. I mean, with the 12 Pro, my phone was flat, right? And you

⏹️ ▶️ John know, you’re like, oh, it’s not gonna lay flat, but I guess I didn’t really think through it. Like, it’s not just like, oh, it’s like crooked or whatever,

⏹️ ▶️ John it’s tilted. It’s literally tilted all the time. And it looks odd to me. It looks like

⏹️ ▶️ John my phone is about to stand up, right? It’s like, oh, coming off the table. Like, no, it’s just resting on the

⏹️ ▶️ John camera housing there. I’m sure I’ll get used to it, it’s fine. My use of the camera, I’m

⏹️ ▶️ John enjoying having both 2X and 3X. I was afraid

⏹️ ▶️ John that it was gonna be like, oh, I’ll never use the 2X or it’ll be awkward to get to it. I’ve already used the 2X, right?

⏹️ ▶️ John And in practice, I don’t know, especially it’s sunny out, taking pictures outside, I don’t notice the difference in

⏹️ ▶️ John terms of the crop and everything. I took a few 48 megapixel RAWs. I found out that the camera

⏹️ ▶️ John continues to not do well when it’s facing anywhere remotely near the sun when it’s not at a low angle because it just

⏹️ ▶️ John totally washes out. You know, that’s just part of phone cameras. But yeah, it’s been working fine for me.

⏹️ ▶️ John I don’t have any complaints about it other than obviously it’s giant size. This graph by

⏹️ ▶️ John Ryan Jones that he tweeted that shows the historical size, historical thickness of the phone,

⏹️ ▶️ John and then overlay it on top of that, the thickness of the mesa and the thickness of the turrets that stick out of the Mesa.

⏹️ ▶️ John So three different colors, the phone is blue, the Mesa is red, and the turrets on top of the Mesa

⏹️ ▶️ John are like pinkish. And you can look at the progress and it’s, you know, it’s what we all know.

⏹️ ▶️ John You’ll get the phone got real thin, real fast. And then that camera Mesa just grew and grew and grew, and then the

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco turrets grew and

⏹️ ▶️ John grew and grew. And at this point, the things that are sticking out of the back of the phone

⏹️ ▶️ John are more than half the thickness of the phone body. I

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco wouldn’t be surprised

⏹️ ▶️ John if current trends continue that eventually the thing that sticks out of the back of the phone is as thick as the phone

⏹️ ▶️ John itself. If you don’t get to periscope cameras soon, that’s gonna happen because they just wanna

⏹️ ▶️ John keep making these cameras better and the sensors bigger, and optically, the only way out of that is periscope

⏹️ ▶️ John or just keep making the things taller. I’m reserving judgment of how much this is going to

⏹️ ▶️ John really affect my life until I get my various leather cases and see how I deal with them, but already, slipping

⏹️ ▶️ John this in and out of my pockets and everything, it’s fine. I mean, you get used to it, it’s fine. Like, and

⏹️ ▶️ John you know, and I did mention when I had my 12 pro that when I used my wife’s, my finger would always hit the lip on the,

⏹️ ▶️ John what do you call it? On the little thingy. Like the case has like a little wall around the camera, Mason. And I may say my fingers

⏹️ ▶️ John hit it. It’s true, my fingers do hit it. And now having used it for a few days, I’ve actually started to use that

⏹️ ▶️ John as a way to keep the slippery case from slipping out of my hand because now I can brace my finger against

⏹️ ▶️ John the bottom of the

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco camera

⏹️ ▶️ John thing and it keeps it from sliding. Again, we’ll see how that happens with my, you know, the ones that look more

⏹️ ▶️ John like volcanoes in my leather cases. So I’ll update that on Thanksgive. But

⏹️ ▶️ John I wouldn’t trade it for the 12 Pro camera because I was already feeling camera inferiority.

⏹️ ▶️ John I would constantly borrow my wife’s phone to take a picture if we’re out for a walk together. And now I don’t have to do that anymore. So

⏹️ ▶️ John again, net win.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco The only thing that it does definitely cause problems with that might be unexpected is that

⏹️ ▶️ Marco the ongoing problem in the first world where

⏹️ ▶️ Marco your phone makes a recognizable imprint in your jeans pocket.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Now, there’s also a recognizable sub-imprint of the camera mesa. Like,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco all summer I was wearing these like soft corduroy shorts, and like, this

⏹️ ▶️ Marco thing just, like the 13 Pro, just like tore through, like it has this massive

⏹️ ▶️ Marco imprint of its camera mesa, like in the shorts pocket area, and this 14

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Pro is gonna be even more so in that way.

⏹️ ▶️ John Well, you can always go against all good sense and people with no Apple care

⏹️ ▶️ John and not face the screen towards your leg. No, that’s crazy.

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco I know, but like,

⏹️ ▶️ John hey, it’s out there as an option. Then what you’d get is a camera mason imprint on your thigh.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco One other thing before I

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John forget, as I’m

⏹️ ▶️ Marco looking at the camera mason, I got the white, well, silver, whatever it’s called,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco and it’s finally a decent white. Like, and Casey, maybe this is your area of expertise.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco It’s really like so you know previous the last few white phones or you

⏹️ ▶️ Marco know close to white phones have been kind of this like off-white you know John would affectionately call them dishwater

⏹️ ▶️ Marco phones. Starlight. Yeah right. Starlight dishwater. This is actually

⏹️ ▶️ Marco like you know it’s it’s a whitish silver like you know it’s in the same way like like

⏹️ ▶️ Marco many many watch faces like you know not Apple watch like many analog watch faces that you think

⏹️ ▶️ Marco are are white are really silver. And by the way, if you get an actual white watch,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco it’s really striking in person. I actually love real white watches. They’re pretty rare.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco But this is definitely one of those, like it’s white in the sense that it’s silver basically,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco but it’s like a very, it’s like a whitish coating of silver. But it looks pretty nice.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco And that’s one of the reasons why I think I’m gonna stick with clear cases again for this generation. In addition to just plastic

⏹️ ▶️ Marco being a really good material for me practically speaking in my waterborne environment.

⏹️ ▶️ John Apple could combine that if it ever wanted to. Do you remember the white 5C? I thought that phone looked amazing.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah, it did. The white 5C I think was the best looking 5C. It just happened to be white.

⏹️ ▶️ John You have the protection, the rigidity and lightness of plastic and pure white color and you don’t need a case.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah, and my case to set up here with the Apple Clear case and the new white phone

⏹️ ▶️ Marco is maybe, I wouldn’t say necessarily reminiscent of that in the sense that it doesn’t look like a Stormtrooper

⏹️ ▶️ Marco or anything like that, but it has a lot of the same nice qualities of that. So

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John I really like it.

⏹️ ▶️ John You get the downside of being a display area for all of the dust and crumbs that will eventually find their way in

⏹️ ▶️ Marco there. Yeah, they will. I mean, there’s already some on the sidebands and I just put them in the nose. The only other thing is that

⏹️ ▶️ Marco when you have the white phone, the blackness of those three

⏹️ ▶️ Marco giant camera lenses really stands out. And so you kind of have to embrace like, is not

⏹️ ▶️ Marco going to look like a white object. This is going to look like a light silver object with some very high contrast

⏹️ ▶️ Marco black holes in it. But otherwise, you know, so it has that, you know, kind of

⏹️ ▶️ Marco downside. But overall, I still like the look a lot and I still prefer it to the other colors. And I still wish they would

⏹️ ▶️ Marco have more fun colors.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Yeah, I would agree with the fun colors thing. The paste warning apparently is a bug. I

⏹️ ▶️ Casey definitely have seen this. It’s definitely been frustrating. But somebody wrote to Federighi and he replied,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey which of course got broadcast to the entire world, that it is indeed a bug. It will be fixed at some

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, Marco point. Is

⏹️ ▶️ Casey that still going on in 16.1, Marco?

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I don’t think so. All

⏹️ ▶️ John right. I saw it so much. I thought it had to be a bug. I think I was copying and pasting within the same app and I was getting

⏹️ ▶️ John it every time.

⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey Yeah.

⏹️ ▶️ John This can’t be intended behavior. And sure enough, it’s a bug. Please fix this soon because I’m sick of that dialogue.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey network.

Apple Watch Series 8

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Let’s talk about the Apple Watch. I have received my Series 8 Apple Watch. I got the small

⏹️ ▶️ Casey one, the 41mm. I got it with a way too large, which is entirely my

⏹️ ▶️ Casey own fault, Solo Loop, which I will need to figure out what it’s like to exchange that.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Easy. But, hopefully, because I remember originally you had to return the whole damn watch, which was not

⏹️ ▶️ Casey fun. But anyways, that’s on me. That’s entirely on me. But I got this new

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Apple Watch. I’m coming from a Series 6, which I believe is 40 millimeters if I’m not mistaken.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, Marco I

⏹️ ▶️ Casey forget exactly what it was now. This thing doesn’t sit any different on my wrist as compared

⏹️ ▶️ Casey to the Series 6, but immediately my first reaction was, holy crap, the screen is huge.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Because it goes way further to the edges and I feel like you can fit

⏹️ ▶️ Casey so much more stuff on here. That’s probably not actually true. I bet the difference is not as big as I think it

⏹️ ▶️ Casey is, but

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, Marco it feels bigger. It’s a big

⏹️ ▶️ Marco difference. The new 41 from the Series 7 and Series 8

⏹️ ▶️ Marco is much closer to the old big watches than you think. The new big watches of course are even bigger,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco but yeah, you end up with quite a lot of screen space and it makes a big difference. And actually it’s a big

⏹️ ▶️ Marco enough difference that the Series 7 and 8, you know 41 millimeter ones,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco also have the little tiny on-screen keyboard that

⏹️ ▶️ Marco you can occasionally need to to type in your Apple ID password on when that whole thing bugs out.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Fair. So yeah, the screen is bigger. It doesn’t feel much faster

⏹️ ▶️ Casey or different or anything like that in terms of hardware. But I will say, I don’t think the haptic

⏹️ ▶️ Casey engine or the haptic feedback is as strong as my old one was. The same materials,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey they’re both aluminum. The other one’s two years old now. I genuinely feel like this one is weaker,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey particularly when using the crown. I don’t know if that’s a hardware difference, a software difference, a little column

⏹️ ▶️ Casey A, a little column B. But that is a little bit frustrating. But other than that, so far so

⏹️ ▶️ Casey good. I really like it. We ordered both of ours, both Aaron and myself, at the same time,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey I don’t know, maybe 15 minutes after the keynote ended. Mine is here. Aaron got

⏹️ ▶️ Casey a pink, I forget what the actual color is, but pink Solo Loop instead of a blue one like I got.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey And hers hasn’t even shipped yet. And I don’t really get why. It’s fine, whatever. It’s not a big deal.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey But that’s very, very curious to me they’re the exact same hardware, just with a different band around it. I guess there’s something about that

⏹️ ▶️ Casey band that made it ship slower. But that strikes me as a little funny.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey But so far, so good. It’s a nice watch. I don’t think it’s a critical update for anyone that has a Series 7,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey which I think both of… maybe it was just Marco, but one or both of you guys said last time. And

⏹️ ▶️ Casey it wasn’t even a critical update from the 6, but for battery life alone, it’s nice to have a nice fresh battery again.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey But yeah, so far, so good. That’s basically all I have to say about

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⏹️ ▶️ Casey Marco, you want to tell me why your car has a watch?

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah, so I briefly alluded to this earlier. So, yeah, so,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco you know, I bought the Reeferb Apple Watch Series 6 for my kid, and I

⏹️ ▶️ Marco discussed on last week’s show. That was not the only watch I ordered that week. As you know,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I have a weird driving situation with this whole, you know, beach, sand driving thing.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco And one, because you are driving on a beach that varies in width throughout the season

⏹️ ▶️ Marco throughout different times of the day, it is useful to know the tide

⏹️ ▶️ Marco level and when you will be at low tide, when you will be at high tide.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco And I have a number of different apps on my phone that can track tides.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco None of them do a great job of it in various ways. And I’m actually probably gonna write

⏹️ ▶️ Marco my own little custom thing just to track like my tidal stations just to make it a little bit easier I can do

⏹️ ▶️ Marco it like you know my way that I actually need but that you know until I get

⏹️ ▶️ Marco that done I’m like all right well I’m now starting to drive on the sand I’ve had a net on two

⏹️ ▶️ Marco sand drives in the defender and first of all oh my

⏹️ ▶️ Marco god it’s good at it it is so good at it like it’s even it’s way better

⏹️ ▶️ Marco than the FJ and the FJ was really good at it like I can’t believe how easy

⏹️ ▶️ Marco it is to drive on the sand in this thing. I have to do nothing. I have to… all I do

⏹️ ▶️ Marco is tell it to go to sand mode and it lifts itself up even higher

⏹️ ▶️ Marco to its like maximum suspension height with the air suspension and it is so far off the ground it’s hilarious

⏹️ ▶️ Marco and it just flies over the sand. I can jump in and out of the tracks like, you know,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco oh that track over there looks better let me just turn out of these deep ruts I’m in and just whoop go

⏹️ ▶️ Marco right out of them go right into the other ones like I can’t believe how good it is how easy it makes everything

⏹️ ▶️ Marco it’s fantastic so far anyway so I do have this

⏹️ ▶️ Marco need you know you gotta know where you know when the tides are because at certain times a year the beach gets more narrow

⏹️ ▶️ Marco with different you know storm and wave patterns and there’s you can go two different

⏹️ ▶️ Marco ways you can go the kind of interior roadway which has you know some loose sand

⏹️ ▶️ Marco sections but is mostly going through like all little tiny towns and so it’s it’s slower

⏹️ ▶️ Marco but it doesn’t involve the actual shoreline or you can go on the beach

⏹️ ▶️ Marco itself but then you are you know at the whims of the waves and you don’t want to go anywhere near them of course

⏹️ ▶️ Marco so you want to stay on the drive area but you don’t know anyway so if you were in like

⏹️ ▶️ Marco you know storm season which is now and it was high tide you might not

⏹️ ▶️ Marco you might decide to take the interior route and not go on the So it’s very useful for me to know when I’m driving,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco is it high tide or low tide right now? And in the near future, when will that be?

⏹️ ▶️ Marco So, I said, you know, let me start looking at like, you know, lock screen widgets,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco different widget apps on my phone, watch complications to try to figure out how

⏹️ ▶️ Marco can I most easily have the tide displayed to me in a way that is relevant and useful

⏹️ ▶️ Marco and reliable and accurate. And I just have been hitting walls

⏹️ ▶️ Marco like with the app selection. They’re bad. Like every Tide app is bad. Even

⏹️ ▶️ Marco otherwise good apps that have Tide features are not great for what I’m

⏹️ ▶️ Marco going for. Some of them are reliable and they have the info I need but I don’t like the way it’s presented.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Some of them are designed by somebody who’s never used a Tide need

⏹️ ▶️ Marco before. And so it’ll do things like not allow a second location to be

⏹️ ▶️ Marco set for which tidal station you’re pulling from. I don’t just pull it from the nearest tidal station. Well, if you live near

⏹️ ▶️ Marco a few bodies of water, the nearest tidal station might be in the wrong one. And so

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I don’t need to know the tide in the bay. I need to know the tide in the ocean.

⏹️ ▶️ John Before you get into why you think a watch is solving this problem, have you considered what they used to

⏹️ ▶️ John use back in the olden days before we had smartphones? Just get a tide table and a piece of paper and

⏹️ ▶️ John stick it in your car. I

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco have that.

⏹️ ▶️ John Tides are

⏹️ ▶️ Marco knowable, they’re not random. I have that. They give you that with the driving permit. But the thing is,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco the problem with the Tide Table is that you have to get it out and look at it and not read it wrong. You’re just

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John sticking

⏹️ ▶️ John to your dashboard. It’s a huge sheet of paper. All right, all right. I mean, I

⏹️ ▶️ John understand the technology has some advantages, but as you rattle it off all the ways that people are screwing this up, it’s like a Tide Table

⏹️ ▶️ John solves this problem. But anyway, continue. So

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I had this crazy idea because the Defender, The Defender,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco and by the way, I’m really growing to love many details of it. The interior

⏹️ ▶️ Marco is, it was really weird at first, but I’m starting to learn like, oh, this is designed

⏹️ ▶️ Marco in the same way that we’ve praised Apple for designing the new MacBook Pro and the Apple Watch Ultra

⏹️ ▶️ Marco in ways that maybe don’t look the prettiest as they could be, but are highly functional and clearly

⏹️ ▶️ Marco designed with user feedback taken into consideration and designed to be function first.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco how the defender is like the interior of it like I keep I keep discovering little details I use it

⏹️ ▶️ Marco more as I use it for things like off-roading you know that I’m seeing like oh this is why this is this way

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I know that’s easy and that’s convenient like I just know I just learned today that the it has those

⏹️ ▶️ Marco cool windshield washer jets that are in the wipers so

⏹️ ▶️ Marco it doesn’t spray the whole windshield from these little dots on the on the hood first and then wipe across

⏹️ ▶️ Marco It sprays from the like attachment point of the blade to the arm

⏹️ ▶️ Marco and so it basically sprays right in front of the wiper as it’s going so it doesn’t

⏹️ ▶️ Marco splatter all over the place.

⏹️ ▶️ John I want to say make one more thing that’s easy to break.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, John Well that’s all

⏹️ ▶️ Casey you know you are such a pessimist.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, John No that’s the one saying

⏹️ ▶️ John who’s gonna buy this British car who’s gonna break all the time I’m like oh over complicated wiper blades

⏹️ ▶️ John I’m sure those won’t break at any point.

⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey That’ll be fine. Half the market gives away the car.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey No, that’ll be fine because the Volvo has the same over-complicated wiper blades and it’s been no problem. The

⏹️ ▶️ Casey air suspension that he mentioned earlier, that’s what’s going to fail spectacularly

⏹️ ▶️ Casey any minute now. Cool.

⏹️ ▶️ John Not any minute, come on, I mean, it’s a brand new car. It’ll be fine. It’s not

⏹️ ▶️ Marco brand

⏹️ ▶️ John new,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco it’s almost two years old.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John Anyway. Well, still, I give you a

⏹️ ▶️ John good five years where nothing will break in that car and then it will be downhill.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah, then that’s when I’ll get rid of it. Anyway, so, so far

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I’m loving this thing. But anyway, so going back to, I wanted a way to display the tides reliably,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco and I was having no luck doing that on my lock screen on my phone, and I thought,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco you know what, wouldn’t it be great if I had a tide clock in the car?

⏹️ ▶️ Marco They make things called tide clocks. The way you calculate tides is, there’s

⏹️ ▶️ Marco a whole bunch of overlapping factors, but you can basically pre-compute them for a while

⏹️ ▶️ Marco into the future with fairly low error rates. That’s why you can get like a tide table printed out for the whole year in advance.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco This information, there’s APIs like on Noah, they’re all free. Like you can just go to Noah’s site. They

⏹️ ▶️ Marco even tell you like you can view a page with a tide station data, and it’ll tell you like what API call

⏹️ ▶️ Marco you can make to get this exact same data that we’re showing on this page the way you’ve set it up. Like it’s very friendly

⏹️ ▶️ Marco to all that stuff. So the data’s out there, and you can pre-compute it ahead of time. So this is again why like, you know, a widget

⏹️ ▶️ Marco or something makes perfect sense. But I thought, you know, I learned a little

⏹️ ▶️ Marco while ago about a G-Shock model. I saw it

⏹️ ▶️ Marco on a Japanese import page, and most G-Shocks don’t have Tide information, but they make

⏹️ ▶️ Marco one that does. And all the reviews were like, well, I don’t really need the Tide information, but I guess

⏹️ ▶️ Marco the rest of the watch is cool. And I’m like, wait a minute, I need only the Tide information.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco And so, and Amazon had it on sale for like $110 and the Defenders dashboard

⏹️ ▶️ Marco has this section above the glove box where it’s basically like a bar

⏹️ ▶️ Marco that’s about the size of a wrist with like handles behind it. You see the passenger can

⏹️ ▶️ Marco grab onto that if you’re like sideways on a trail somewhere. And so,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco here’s a picture. So I got this thing and I attached it to this little section

⏹️ ▶️ Marco above the glove box in the dash. It has this highly visible MIP LCD

⏹️ ▶️ Marco thing, and it is perfect. I now have a Tide clock,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco basically, on my dashboard, so I can always just glance and see

⏹️ ▶️ Marco where is the Tide right now. And it doesn’t require anything from me. I

⏹️ ▶️ Marco had to pair it with my phone over Bluetooth. Watch this do Bluetooth now. Just to set

⏹️ ▶️ Marco which Tide station I was using, because it’s this obscure one that no one else uses. So I had to set

⏹️ ▶️ Marco that with the Bluetooth pairing, but then once it’s set, it’s done, and I have to replace the battery like every

⏹️ ▶️ Marco two years. And that’s it. And it’s just, it’s this great, like cool little appliance that happens to

⏹️ ▶️ Marco fit perfectly on my dashboard. And now I have a time clock in my car.

⏹️ ▶️ John I don’t know about highly visible. Do you need your reading glasses to see this thing? That’s some small

⏹️ ▶️ John numbers there.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I mean, it’s small. I mean, first of all, for a watch, I tried it on first. I’ve never owned a G-Shock before this.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco My God, it’s massive. Like it’s-

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John And it’s not in

⏹️ ▶️ John front of you. It’s in front of the passenger, kind of. I mean, it’s near the center console, I guess.

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco Yeah,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco it’s near the middle, but yeah, there was no loop-through handle section like that near the driver,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco but I put it over there, and it’s fine, because all I need to know is, is it high tide or low tide, or is it going

⏹️ ▶️ Marco in or coming out? And I can just quickly glance and see that, even from the driver’s seat, very, very easily. And

⏹️ ▶️ Marco it’s a little hard to photograph these MIP LCD screens, but they

⏹️ ▶️ Marco are extremely visible. visible. Like it’s you know how like the play date looks

⏹️ ▶️ Marco really good from one angle or like one light angle hitting it.

⏹️ ▶️ John No, I don’t know that. Don’t try to rub it in. I

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco just got

⏹️ ▶️ John I just got an email that actually I do. I’ve used it in real life before. But anyway, mine is actually shipping soon, but I don’t have it yet.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Anyway, the so this thing like it is

⏹️ ▶️ Marco like that from lots of angles with lots of light hitting it so far. I only had it on today

⏹️ ▶️ Marco for the whole drive back today. So I’ve only had one day of experience with it. But that one day that covered like,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco you know, bright sun all the way into sunset and it was great. So I’m

⏹️ ▶️ Marco very impressed with this weird LCD technology. If for some reason I would ever

⏹️ ▶️ Marco go back to wearing this kind of watch, I would want one with this kind of screen. Like it’s

⏹️ ▶️ Marco that good of a screen. This model is comically large on me and I really can’t

⏹️ ▶️ Marco wear it. But otherwise, like For the reason I got it,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco it’s perfect. It’s a wonderful, fairly low-tech solution

⏹️ ▶️ Marco to this problem, and it does it extremely well and it happens to fit my dashboard.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I’m just, I’m delighted by how stupidly awesome this is.