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500: All the Nerds in the Room

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  1. An eye-opening experience
  2. Donate to St. Jude
  3. 🎉 Episode 500! 🎉
  4. ATP Movie Club
  5. Follow-up: Polarizers, relativity
  6. Sponsor: Squarespace (code ATP)
  7. Follow-up: iPhone focal lengths
  8. Satellite location-sharing
  9. Sponsor: Hover
  10. Watch S8 CPU same as S6/S7
  11. Dynamic Island
  12. Ubiquity-breach story retracted
  13. Sponsor: Kolide
  14. We bought some stuff
  15. Special ending theme
  16. Blue-blocker glasses

An eye-opening experience

⏹️ ▶️ Marco My streak is over. Not our 500th episode streak, because this is the 500th episode, but

⏹️ ▶️ Marco my streak of not needing any kind of corrective eyewear is

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, Casey over.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Oh, oh no. Oh, what happened?

⏹️ ▶️ Marco So, I turned 40 a few months ago.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Everything takes a dump right around then. Warranty runs out.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco It must have been within the same month. I started noticing, hmm,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco my minimum focus distance is increasing.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco And as that kept getting worse I’m like you know this seems to be happening quickly like I’m

⏹️ ▶️ Marco suddenly noticing in the last few months like I can’t focus as close as I used to

⏹️ ▶️ Marco anymore and it finally reached the point of like my nighttime phone in

⏹️ ▶️ Marco bed reading distance and I thought oh it’s it’s

⏹️ ▶️ Marco time I should probably go to an eye doctor for the first time ever

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, Marco I’m so jealous.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, John That’s one of the advantages,

⏹️ ▶️ John I think, of being somebody who has been near-sighted their entire life. My close-up vision

⏹️ ▶️ John is pretty darn good for someone of my advanced age. I

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco can’t see anything

⏹️ ▶️ John two feet past my face, but close-up, boy, I don’t need any corrective lens.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah, well, now I have officially been prescribed reading glasses.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Oh, reading glasses! Not even regular glasses, just reading glasses? Oh, wow.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I’m still okay on distance, but I need readers now.

⏹️ ▶️ John I mean, you could get prescription up-close glasses. It’s just probably saving you some money to

⏹️ ▶️ John just get cheapo reading glasses.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco They wanted me to pick out glasses there, and I’m like, you know what? I need my wife to be here for this, because

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I don’t have the confidence to make this choice myself.

⏹️ ▶️ John Also to catch you when you faint when you see how much glasses cost.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I mean, readers are cheap, but you know, cheaper.

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco Just wait, just wait.

⏹️ ▶️ John The connection between like sort of the bill of goods, like how much does it cost to manufacture,

⏹️ ▶️ John distribute, blah, blah, blah, plus profit margin in the glasses, and how much you pay for them, it’s like the same

⏹️ ▶️ John connection between that and like printer ink prices, it’s just, it makes no sense whatsoever.

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco Yeah, by the way, people in

⏹️ ▶️ Marco the chat are like, you know, saying like how lucky I am and how horrible their stuff is. If it makes you feel any better, like I went

⏹️ ▶️ Marco bald and gray in my early 20s, so you know,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, Casey it all balances out in different ways. But

⏹️ ▶️ Marco anyway, so one interesting part about it, besides the crushing

⏹️ ▶️ Marco anxiety of getting older and having my body slowly break down and having that be very apparent in a very clear way all of

⏹️ ▶️ Marco a sudden, is that for the first time ever, I had those eye dilating drops for them to do the

⏹️ ▶️ Marco exam.

⏹️ ▶️ John First time ever in your life, huh?

⏹️ ▶️ Casey How was it trying to read your phone moments after that happened?

⏹️ ▶️ Marco So at first, so he puts the drops in and he’s like, all right, now you can go wait in the waiting room, I’ll

⏹️ ▶️ Marco bring you back in 15 minutes and I was like well I’m like all right cool he’s like what these are gonna do is artificially

⏹️ ▶️ Marco age you forward by a lot okay whatever that means so I’m sitting

⏹️ ▶️ Marco the waiting room at first like nothing’s happening and then I start noticing hi it is starting now to get a little bit blurrier

⏹️ ▶️ Marco and then over the span of a couple minutes it’s like oh no and it’s to the point where like like I’m

⏹️ ▶️ Marco holding my phone out and I’m like trying to get like a Twitter reply in like right before like I’m only have a minute left and

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I also because I because Tiff couldn’t come with me for logistical reasons.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco So I was there alone, and I had just taken like a lift there, like from the ferry station. Like she warned me about this. She’s

⏹️ ▶️ Marco like, you probably won’t be able to drive home. All right. All right. So I took a lift. But right before I was about

⏹️ ▶️ Marco to like lose sight of my phone, I quickly went in and turned on increased contrast

⏹️ ▶️ Marco and raised the font size all the way up. And I opened up lift and kind of preset where I

⏹️ ▶️ Marco was going. So I’m like, you know, because I test with voiceover, I could use my

⏹️ ▶️ Marco phone totally blind. But because I don’t regularly use it, I’m very slow at it.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco So I’m like, all right, let me at least like, set things up as well as I can to give myself the best chance of success here. And

⏹️ ▶️ Marco you know, hopefully able to do this. Meanwhile, like the eye doctor office has no reception. Like

⏹️ ▶️ Marco it’s it’s one of those like office buildings, it’s, you know, it’s old concrete and steel, probably, you know,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco so it has no reception. I’m doing all this like with like, the slowest internet connection, my phone super hot

⏹️ ▶️ Marco trying to get a signal and I’m like slowly losing my vision and it was it was

⏹️ ▶️ Marco quite a harrowing experience to be to be doing this for the

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John very first

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, Casey time at

⏹️ ▶️ Marco age 40 and like never having experienced it it was it was it was uh I mean not to use a terrible pun

⏹️ ▶️ Marco it was illuminating um it really was because I very much appreciated first

⏹️ ▶️ Marco of all my vision and I secondly very much appreciated the accessibility features of the iPhone in that moment

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I could I could so quickly um you know just boost stuff up and it was very apparent to me

⏹️ ▶️ Marco very quickly many apps, including sections of my own app, like the Now Playing Screen, are

⏹️ ▶️ Marco terrible with or just don’t adjust at all. In my last

⏹️ ▶️ Marco update to Overcast, when I did my read a lot of the list screen stuff, I

⏹️ ▶️ Marco much better adopted dynamic text. It’s still not perfect. I kind of have to

⏹️ ▶️ Marco wait for my Swift UI rewrite to do a lot of that because I have a lot of really old table view code that just does not resize gracefully.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco So I did some of it in the last redesign, and I want to do more in the Now Playing Screen, and stuff

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I’m working on next. But man, so many apps don’t even bother. They don’t even try.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Nope. No, it’s terrible. You know, it’s funny you bring all this up because I had occasion to remember

⏹️ ▶️ Casey a blog post I wrote back in 2016 about this exact same thing. I was looking

⏹️ ▶️ Casey at this just earlier today by pure happenstance. And I have truly terrible eyes. I have this weird

⏹️ ▶️ Casey thing called keratoconus, where it makes my corneas, the front of my eyes, basically pointy.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Like, you would never know it just by looking at me, although in extreme cases of keratoconus, it’s very visible. But

⏹️ ▶️ Casey for me, you would never know it by looking at me, but that means I need hard contact lenses in order

⏹️ ▶️ Casey to put a more rounded front in

⏹️ ▶️ Casey front of my eyes so I can actually see. And with my hard contacts in, I actually see pretty well. Without

⏹️ ▶️ Casey contact lenses, even with glasses that are as thick as Coke bottles, I can’t see garbage.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey I can see literally six inches in front of my head and then everything turns extremely blurry extremely quickly.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey You would think I would hate bokeh based on that, but I’d still like it for some reason. But anyways, but I wrote a post

⏹️ ▶️ Casey back in 2016 about exactly this, and coincidentally, the GIF that I put in there was a text message

⏹️ ▶️ Casey between me and underscore, where I was demonstrating cranking the font size from normal

⏹️ ▶️ Casey to just ridiculous in order for me to be able to see it. And yeah,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey it’s one of those very striking things where if you’re lucky enough to be able-bodied

⏹️ ▶️ Casey and to not have any particular affliction which would require you to use

⏹️ ▶️ Casey any of the accessibility features, it doesn’t seem like it’s that big a deal because myopically

⏹️ ▶️ Casey and selfishly it isn’t. Then suddenly, even if you’re generally able-bodied, or forgive me

⏹️ ▶️ Casey if that’s not the appropriate term for it, but if you’re generally without needing any of these affordances,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey then suddenly you get dilating drops or whatever the case may be, and you do and you realize, first of all, thank

⏹️ ▶️ Casey goodness that Apple’s put the work in, and some developers, but not all of them. Thank goodness Apple’s put the work in to make this

⏹️ ▶️ Casey possible, be it because of dynamic text, be it because of voiceover, or what have you. But

⏹️ ▶️ Casey secondly, how unbelievably lucky are you slash me slash we slash whomever

⏹️ ▶️ Casey in order to not have to worry about that day to day? And it’s really, it’s one

⏹️ ▶️ Casey of those things, it’s like the typical Republican thing of, oh, this doesn’t bother me because it doesn’t affect me, and then suddenly affects

⏹️ ▶️ Casey me, and now, oh, we need to change laws because suddenly this affects me.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey I found that I was very myopic about this in a very Republican way, which I’m not proud of, And that was a very illuminating

⏹️ ▶️ Casey experience. Again, not to use the wrong word, like you said, Marco, but it was an illuminating.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, Marco You just said my offing.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I mean, come

⏹️ ▶️ Casey on. Yeah, that’s true. I didn’t even think about that. See, I’m terrible. I should just stop talking. Happy episode 500.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey But it was a good run and I ruined it. But no, seriously though, it’s

⏹️ ▶️ Casey really, it changes your perspective very quickly when you’re put in a position, even just temporarily,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey that these sorts of affordances are absolutely necessary. And it’s

⏹️ ▶️ Casey cool that it’s a possibility at all.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah, I was very thankful in those moments for both my

⏹️ ▶️ Marco usual need not for this stuff, but then also that all of this stuff was available to

⏹️ ▶️ Marco me in the phone I already had, with the software I already had, and

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I mean, partly because I’m a developer, I know where the settings are, but I was able to adjust

⏹️ ▶️ Marco it in seconds because I didn’t have long. Once the process started accelerating,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I was like, oh no, I don’t have long at all. And

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John I

⏹️ ▶️ Marco very quickly was able to go do it and it was fine. And the only, like,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Lyft, I went back to Lyft and it said you have to restart the app to change your

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John font setting.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I’m like, all right, whatever. Bad

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John hack,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco okay, but I did that, it was fine after that. But yeah, there were so many things that were just not adjusted,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco including some stuff in the system itself.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John Like I was surprised, like,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I couldn’t see my battery status really because those little top parts of the status bar

⏹️ ▶️ Marco don’t adjust size even when you put on control center like you don’t even get a big version there. I was kind of surprised

⏹️ ▶️ Marco at some of the some of the system stuff that was not in big end by those settings. But anyway I was very thankful

⏹️ ▶️ Marco they were there and it was it was very illuminating to me and and kind of shaming to me that like

⏹️ ▶️ Marco parts of my own app did not react well and so I’m gonna be working on that. But anyway so here

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I have joined the ranks of I think most people ever that I now need some eye

⏹️ ▶️ Marco help and well here we go. This is the start it’s a very minor start but it will

⏹️ ▶️ Marco progress I actually due to a previous

⏹️ ▶️ Marco costume need I actually own a a pair of the

⏹️ ▶️ Marco model of glasses frames that Steve Jobs wore and

⏹️ ▶️ Marco so I might like see if I can just get reading glass lenses for those because like why should

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I buy more glasses if I already have a pair that has you know dud lenses in it but I don’t know

⏹️ ▶️ Casey this is so this is the way you choose to save money. It’s not keeping the FJ Cruiser.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Instead, it’s saving on an extra set of frames. Hey, I made a profit on the FJ Cruiser. Oh my

⏹️ ▶️ Casey gosh.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey If you wanted to spend some money instead of saving it, now is the

⏹️ ▶️ Casey time, listeners, to go to, slash ATP, S-T-J-U-D-E,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey dot org, slash ATP, where you too can help end childhood cancer. Like, for real,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey you can help do that. That is the thing that you, the listener that I’m talking to right now, you

⏹️ ▶️ Casey can do it. You can also help prevent forest fires. But anyway, you can go to, slash ATP, and you

⏹️ ▶️ Casey can donate to help end childhood cancer. Here’s the thing, cancer sucks a lot.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey It double sucks if it’s afflicting a kid. So we don’t want that to happen. You don’t

⏹️ ▶️ Casey want that to happen. Why don’t you go to and throw a couple of dollars their way,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey or maybe many couples of dollars, hundreds or thousands of couples of dollars their way.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey If you recall, ATP as a group has donated $21,012 because we’re all jerks and we’re fighting

⏹️ ▶️ Casey with each other, although John would argue I’m the biggest jerk of them all. I’ll take that as a point of pride, I guess.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, Marco Anyway.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I guess you kind of cheated.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey I don’t know about that anyway. We’re not going to open that conversation again, but Guillaume Morin, and

⏹️ ▶️ Casey I apologize if I’ve butchered your name, is the current top individual donor, as far as I’m

⏹️ ▶️ Casey aware, at $7,008. Nice. Thank you very much. You have not reached out to

⏹️ ▶️ Casey me that I have seen to collect your stickers, if you’re even aware that that’s a thing, I’m assuming so. So please,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey find a way to reach out to me and let me know, and I’m happy to send you stickers anywhere that the United States Postal

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Service will deliver to, which is, no joke, many, many, many, many countries. So please

⏹️ ▶️ Casey reach out. Additionally, breaking news as of just a few hours ago, 1Password

⏹️ ▶️ Casey has bought my love, at least for a little while, by donating as a company $30,029.34. I believe

⏹️ ▶️ Casey that odd number was to get the campaign as a whole past $200,000, which is amazing.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey So thank you genuinely from the bottom of my heart, 1password, for

⏹️ ▶️ Casey doing that. And also, Guilhomé, I’m going to go with that. I hope that’s

⏹️ ▶️ Casey right. Correct me. I will do a mea culpa on the show. I’m going to say not correct.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Okay, well what would you do then, John?

⏹️ ▶️ John I don’t know, but I’m putting my money on not correct.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Well, you know what? We can shame me. As part of your $7,008

⏹️ ▶️ Casey donation, you can shame me, or I will shame myself on the next episode. Just let me know. Well,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey anyway, so if you want to end childhood cancer, if you want to support these incredible heroes

⏹️ ▶️ Casey that are trying to end childhood cancer, if you want to support the research that they do that is spread worldwide

⏹️ ▶️ Casey to end childhood cancer, not only here in America, but everywhere,

⏹️ ▶️ John Don’t forget about the company match. Oh,

⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey I almost did it again! I almost did it again! I almost forgot. I’m sorry. So,

⏹️ ▶️ John a lot of people, if you have a jobby job, a lot of companies will match whatever you donate. Sometimes up to a limit,

⏹️ ▶️ John sometimes whatever you do. So if you donate 10 bucks, they’ll donate 10 bucks, right? Up to, you know, whatever amount, then

⏹️ ▶️ John again, it might be unlimited to your company. So find out if your company does that and let them know

⏹️ ▶️ John that you donated. So it basically like doubles your donation for free, get your company to donate. And if you do

⏹️ ▶️ John do a company match, you can go to the URL, There’s a thing

⏹️ ▶️ John on that webpage that lets you report what your company donated so that it goes towards the

⏹️ ▶️ John relay total to get them over the line. The more important thing is that the company actually sends the money and matches

⏹️ ▶️ John your donation. That’s the important thing. Secondarily, if you wanna make sure that your company goes towards the total, you can

⏹️ ▶️ John do that as well.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Yeah, and if for some reason it isn’t on the slash ATP page, which I think it is, but just in case,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey if you go to slash relay, then I am 100% sure it’s there. So worst case.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, John Same page, read it. No, they’re two different pages. We skip

⏹️ ▶️ Casey past the whole sub fundraiser thing. Oh, that’s right, okay.

⏹️ ▶️ John Yeah,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey so anyway, suffice it to say, Please join us in helping Relay to help

⏹️ ▶️ Casey end childhood cancer. Please and thank you. This will continue throughout the month of September. Please go ahead

⏹️ ▶️ Casey and check. Oh, and by the way, I almost forgot. This coming Friday, so probably within a day

⏹️ ▶️ Casey or two, probably one of you listening to this very program, on the 16th of September from

⏹️ ▶️ Casey noon, 1 True Time Zone until 8 p.m. 1 True Time Zone, will be the Relay

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Podcast-a-thon where Mike and Steven will, God willing, be together. And they will be,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey for the first time in a few years, hosting the podcast-a-thon at, well, both of them, that is, at St. Jude.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey I will be making an appearance. It would not surprise me. I genuinely don’t know, but it wouldn’t surprise me if my co-hosts make an appearance. Maybe, maybe

⏹️ ▶️ Casey not. It’ll be a surprise for everyone. But check that out. It’s a lot of fun. It’s eight hours, so dip in and out.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Stay in as much as you can, but you can dip in and out. It’s super duper fun. And that’ll be this Friday on Twitch.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey I think it’s slash relay, I hope. I’m not 100% sure about that, but just search. You’ll find

⏹️ ▶️ Casey it. So slash ATP. Donate now.

🎉 Episode 500! 🎉

⏹️ ▶️ Casey A little bit more housekeeping today, right now, this episode

⏹️ ▶️ Casey is the 500th episode of ATP. How did

⏹️ ▶️ Casey that happen? How is that possible?

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Very slowly over time.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, Marco Right? I understand

⏹️ ▶️ Casey mathematics, because it was like, what was it, April or something like that of 2013? So it’s about 10 years

⏹️ ▶️ Casey and about 52 episodes a year, so I mean, it makes sense. But

⏹️ ▶️ Casey your intrepid hosts, with a couple of asterisks, have recorded 500 episodes of ATP

⏹️ ▶️ Casey and we have not missed a week since something like April of 2013 or thereabouts.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey And I’m pretty proud of us and I’m extremely thankful for anyone who has listened to any

⏹️ ▶️ Casey episode, much, and I can’t imagine people who have listened to all 500. There’s

⏹️ ▶️ Casey a really great website that a listener put together,, I think that’s right,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey And on there, there’s some really fun statistics. I’m not going to read all of these off, but

⏹️ ▶️ Casey the great and top statistic is total length of all episodes, 988 hours, 45 minutes, 14.1 seconds, which is just bananas.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey I am genuinely, as much as I’m laughing and joking, I’m extremely proud of

⏹️ ▶️ Casey what the three of us have done. I am thankful to every single listener that’s listened to even but a moment

⏹️ ▶️ Casey of those 988 hours. I mean, if you think about it, when we started,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey I had a regular jobby job. In fact, it was like one or two jobby jobs before my last

⏹️ ▶️ Casey jobby job. John was about halfway maybe through his most recent jobby

⏹️ ▶️ Casey job. Marco, well, you’ve been a disaster ever since we got together, so that’s no surprise there.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey I had no children and now I have two and a dog. I mean, it has been quite

⏹️ ▶️ Casey a run for all three of us. And God willing, as I knock furiously

⏹️ ▶️ Casey on wood, God willing, we have another 500 in us. But one way or another, I am genuinely so thankful to every listener

⏹️ ▶️ Casey who has listened, who has at least looked at a sponsor’s website, and

⏹️ ▶️ Casey who has told their friends about us, who has rated us five stars on

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Apple Podcasts, whatever thing. Any of you who have done anything to help us, it genuinely, from the

⏹️ ▶️ Casey bottom of my heart, means so much to us. And I would like to talk about the surprise

⏹️ ▶️ Casey unless you two have anything you want to add.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco No, I want to add just how awesome everyone is. And the thing is, this show,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I mean, look, we love doing it. And the reality is, even if our listenership

⏹️ ▶️ Marco went down to nothing, we would probably still keep doing it because you can’t stop the three of us from talking to each other

⏹️ ▶️ Marco about computers and other BS. That just happens when you put us together.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco That’s how the show got made. that’s how it keeps you know and make and we said we said the past

⏹️ ▶️ Marco like making the show for us is it’s while it is work

⏹️ ▶️ Marco it is very easy in the sense that we all get along really well we love talking about this crap

⏹️ ▶️ Marco as I said we’ll do it no matter what and and and everything just it’s an easy show to keep

⏹️ ▶️ Marco going is you know we have no like inter host friction or drama we have

⏹️ ▶️ Marco good you know money coming in which we’ll get to in a second and we have good logistics like we’re all in the

⏹️ ▶️ Marco same time zone, our internet connections are all rock solid, we’re all like we all show up on time, like

⏹️ ▶️ Marco all that stuff that can make things hard to make, we don’t have those challenges. We’re very lucky.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco We have a news-based show and so we don’t, we’re not subject matter really, like there’s and you also all

⏹️ ▶️ Marco are a little flexible on what you will you know tolerate us talking about

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John which also helps a lot.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco So you know there’s, it’s a show that that we really do enjoy making

⏹️ ▶️ Marco and and that I think has a pretty solid future ahead of in addition to the pretty damn solid past. And

⏹️ ▶️ Marco on the money thing, I think we’re very fortunate that we have the audience that we

⏹️ ▶️ Marco have in all of you out there because we have a very loyal

⏹️ ▶️ Marco audience. If you look at our raw numbers, our audience does not really

⏹️ ▶️ Marco grow over time. We grew for a while, and then we kind of found our audience, and we stayed

⏹️ ▶️ Marco there. And for most kinds of businesses or startups or anything

⏹️ ▶️ Marco on the web, content stuff mostly. Like, once you stop growing the audience,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco that’s like death, because there’s usually a whole bunch of churn of people who, you

⏹️ ▶️ Marco know, drop off the show because they aren’t interested anymore, or it

⏹️ ▶️ Marco wasn’t holding their attention, or they stopped listening to things entirely, or whatever. And

⏹️ ▶️ Marco for our show, that doesn’t happen. We have a very loyal audience.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco that’s a great place to be for people who create any

⏹️ ▶️ Marco kind of content for a living like we do because we don’t need to play the games

⏹️ ▶️ Marco or have the same level of stresses that a lot of people do. We can keep showing up

⏹️ ▶️ Marco and doing what we do, and again, because it’s mostly news-based, we have

⏹️ ▶️ Marco an infinite supply of that. News will keep happening in the tech business, especially in the Apple sphere that we usually

⏹️ ▶️ Marco cover. So that part’s good, and as long as you all keep showing up and listening.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco We can largely ignore most of the crap that other podcasters

⏹️ ▶️ Marco and other content creators on other media are pressured to get into. So we don’t have to do weird

⏹️ ▶️ Marco growth hacking stuff. We don’t have to do like that crappy dynamic ad insertion

⏹️ ▶️ Marco of like local car dealer ads. We don’t have to do any of that because we have such a

⏹️ ▶️ Marco great loyal audience. And so I really appreciate all of you

⏹️ ▶️ Marco a ton for that and the fact is that we’ve made 500 episodes of

⏹️ ▶️ Marco the nerdiest stuff imaginable and many of you out there

⏹️ ▶️ Marco have actually listened to all of it like who else can say that there’s not

⏹️ ▶️ Marco a lot of other shows out there that can say that they’ve produced 500

⏹️ ▶️ Marco multi-hour podcasts over the span of a decade and many

⏹️ ▶️ Marco people in their audience have listened to all of it. That’s an incredible thing.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco We are extremely lucky to have you out there listening to us. And so thank you

⏹️ ▶️ Marco very much for that.

⏹️ ▶️ John I want to give a special thanks to the listeners who write in to us.

⏹️ ▶️ John That is, I always feel like, kind of an unsung attribute

⏹️ ▶️ John of our show. Yes, it’s news-based, and we talk about news topics, and we talk about whatever weird things we’re into, or whatever

⏹️ ▶️ John we’re buying, and we talk about our lives to some degree. But a lot of the best info on this show

⏹️ ▶️ John comes from our listeners, because they email us, tweet at us, whatever. And we have

⏹️ ▶️ John enough listeners, and those listeners are nerdy enough that if we talk about a topic, you know, I’m going to make something up. It’s like,

⏹️ ▶️ John we’ll talk about mushrooms. And it’d be like, we’ll get an email right after the show is published. I’ve been growing mushrooms for 50 years.

⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey And it’s like, what?

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco You’ve been growing

⏹️ ▶️ John mushrooms for 50 years? You’re a mushroomologist? You went to, you are the head of the mushroom department at some big

⏹️ ▶️ John university? Like.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco on grow mushrooms or raise them or

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John clone them? What is the

⏹️ ▶️ John verb for producing mushrooms? I mean, we just had it recently, when we were talking about audio sync or whatever.

⏹️ ▶️ John It’s like, oh, I do this for a living. You sync audio for a living? It’s

⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey like, yeah, that’s a job, right? Yes,

⏹️ ▶️ John I do. No, it’s just, it’s amazing. Or someone’s like, yeah, I did this for a living back when I worked

⏹️ ▶️ John and now I’m retired and let me tell you how it was in the old days. Just so many listeners with amazing knowledge.

⏹️ ▶️ John And I presume they’re just sitting there listening to episodes for years for that one day when we talk about audio and video sync

⏹️ ▶️ John and they’re like, now’s my time to shine, and it’s awesome and we love it. Like they contribute so

⏹️ ▶️ John much, not just to Ask ATP because we get tons of Ask ATP questions and I wanna apologize for that.

⏹️ ▶️ John We do Ask ATP every show, we try to do three questions a show if we can, sometimes we have to skip it due to time constraints.

⏹️ ▶️ John We get hundreds upon hundreds upon hundreds of questions to Ask ATP and that’s awesome,

⏹️ ▶️ John but realize we can’t actually answer them all. But same thing with feedback or whatever, There’s just,

⏹️ ▶️ John our audience has so much knowledge and they’re so, and so specific, such specific

⏹️ ▶️ John knowledge that I love that they will be able to, you know, contribute to the show, right? I used to get that with,

⏹️ ▶️ John you know, when I wrote my like long form Mac OS X reviews, but like by the time you publish the review, it’s too late for that info.

⏹️ ▶️ John But on this show, there’s always another episode and there’s always follow-ups. So I

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco wanted to thank all the,

⏹️ ▶️ John thank all the listeners for contributing. And if you’re out there and you have never written to the show and you’re like an

⏹️ ▶️ John expert on like raising lizards or something, Just keep listening, who knows? We’ll get

⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey there.

⏹️ ▶️ John We’ll be talking about the iguana flag Easter egg on the PowerPC Mac and it’ll be your time to hop in and say, actually

⏹️ ▶️ John it’s not an iguana and you’ll tell us all about it.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah, that’s the thing too. I mean, I can

⏹️ ▶️ Marco assume from the two of you that you probably had a similar time

⏹️ ▶️ Marco coming up in the world as I did in the sense that we were all

⏹️ ▶️ Marco pretty, pretty far nerdier than most of the people around us in our lives.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John You know, because

⏹️ ▶️ Marco we all grew up in the early to none days of the internet and so,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco you know, the internet has made it very easy for people to find other people like them for good and bad.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco That wasn’t so much the case when we were coming up and so, you

⏹️ ▶️ Marco know, it was always like we were, we were the nerds and, and you know, that at the time that felt,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco for me at least, felt quite lonely a lot of the times, and still in most of life I am the nerd in the room,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco but this show brings together all of the nerds

⏹️ ▶️ Marco in the rooms everywhere. Like all of you out there, there’s a pretty good chance

⏹️ ▶️ Marco you were that nerd in the room and now you found others. And

⏹️ ▶️ Marco you can listen to 500 episodes of us talking to and with and about

⏹️ ▶️ Marco other people like us. And it’s a very nice thing to find. You know, like in the same way, like I found my fish people and I went to

⏹️ ▶️ Marco the fish concert and that’s another thing That I never have any support for in the world. You know, this is the kind of thing like nor

⏹️ ▶️ Marco here for that But like this is the kind of thing like, you know We we found our people

⏹️ ▶️ Marco and and that’s it’s one of the great things that the internet makes possible And we’re so lucky to have

⏹️ ▶️ Marco all of you out there because you know, we can all be the nerd in the room together

⏹️ ▶️ John I just want to make one more pitch for my spiel that I did on episode 400. We usually

⏹️ ▶️ John don’t do much for milestones, but 500 is pretty big. And 400, I did a little thing. It’s in the after

⏹️ ▶️ John show. If this is your first episode of ATP, I guess every 500 episodes I should describe how the show works. If this

⏹️ ▶️ John is your

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco first episode of ATP,

⏹️ ▶️ John at a certain point you’ll hear someone sing a song that, well, it’s going to be a different song this week, but

⏹️ ▶️ John the normal song says the show is over. It’s not really over. The show keeps going after the

⏹️ ▶️ John song for varying amounts of times. That’s kind of the after show. In the after

⏹️ ▶️ John show of episode 400, I attempt to describe what I think people

⏹️ ▶️ John get out of ATP and why we’re doing it and what I think is good about it. And I probably will literally never do that

⏹️ ▶️ John little speech again. So if you want to hear it, I’m not going to do it today. But episode 400 is right out there.

⏹️ ▶️ John slash 400 because we have good URLs.

ATP Movie Club

⏹️ ▶️ Casey All right, so surprise time. So as a thank you to members of ATP,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey and you can subscribe at slash join, you can go a year at a time or a month at

⏹️ ▶️ Casey a time. And as a thank you to our members, who, and we are incredibly thankful to

⏹️ ▶️ Casey everyone, but kind of maybe especially the members. As a thank you to the members, we are doing for the first

⏹️ ▶️ Casey time, exclusive content just for the members. And we wanted to do something

⏹️ ▶️ Casey that is additive, like we don’t want to take away anything that you’re already getting. And

⏹️ ▶️ Casey we wanted to do something that wasn’t necessarily our core competency because again,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey then it seems like maybe that’s a little bit gross, or at least that’s the way we thought of it today. You asked

⏹️ ▶️ Casey me again in 10 years at episode 1000 where you’re paying per segment or something to listen

⏹️ ▶️ Casey to the show. But sitting here now, we wanted to do something additive that was a little bit out of our wheelhouse. And

⏹️ ▶️ Casey what we concluded was we are going to do a three episode run,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey one episode per week of ATP Movie Club. So the way this works is we

⏹️ ▶️ Casey watch, the three of us watched three different movies. Each host had a chance

⏹️ ▶️ Casey to pick one of the movies. So this week we are going to release the first episode of the three

⏹️ ▶️ Casey episode miniseries that is the ATP Movie Club and it is going to be all three of us discussing

⏹️ ▶️ Casey the movie that Marco picked. And Marco would you like to describe what you did.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Since I learned that Casey had not yet seen it, the movie I chose to force

⏹️ ▶️ Marco him to watch was My Cousin Vinny. I love this movie and

⏹️ ▶️ Marco you will, you will hear why. And it is, it is, I think, I think it’s, it’s

⏹️ ▶️ Marco wonderful to have put Casey and John through this.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Well, we’ll, we’ll let you hear, uh, what the two of us thought of it. Cause you know, again,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey all three of us watched all three movies and we’re not going to tell you what the other movies are. I think we’re going to leave those as a surprise for

⏹️ ▶️ Casey when the episodes drop in the members only feeds But we are starting with my cousin

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Vinny I will say that the next pick was mine and the final pick was John’s and that’s all I’m going

⏹️ ▶️ Casey to say about that But this was a lot of fun for the three of us to do We’re

⏹️ ▶️ Casey still doing the show after all three episodes. So I guess that’s a good sign

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, Marco I think there’s a little hit or miss

⏹️ ▶️ Casey for a couple moments there, but for the most part it was a lot of fun So that is as a thank

⏹️ ▶️ Casey you to members and you can go to Slash join to get these three

⏹️ ▶️ Casey episodes over the next three weeks. Um, as I sit here now, we, we want

⏹️ ▶️ Casey to do more exclusive content eventually, but we have no plans

⏹️ ▶️ Casey at this moment. So this might not happen again until episode a thousand might not happen for a hundred episodes. We honestly

⏹️ ▶️ Casey don’t know, but as a thank you to members, we wanted to do that as a, in recognition of episode 500.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey So, um, so that’s what we’ve done. And again, my cousin, Vinny is selected by Marco will be the

⏹️ ▶️ Casey first episode that will drop at some point this week.

⏹️ ▶️ John Yeah. And, uh, you know, speaking of feedback, uh, as part of what we do in the future, it depends on how

⏹️ ▶️ John members feel about this. Do you like it? Was it fun? Was it boring? Do you not care about movies? Uh, let us know

⏹️ ▶️ John what you think after all the episodes have aired.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah. And for each one, by the way, like when you look at the title, uh, in the feed, make like watch the movie before you

⏹️ ▶️ Marco listen to it. Cause there, there obviously will be spoilers about the movies. So when you see the movie title in there,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco watch the movie before you listen to it.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Yeah, yeah, yeah. We don’t have any spoiler horn or anything like that. It’s basically Spoiler City from the second that we start

⏹️ ▶️ Casey the episode. So be warned.

Follow-up: Polarizers, relativity

⏹️ ▶️ Casey All right, now we have to get on to the regularly scheduled programming. Thank you

⏹️ ▶️ Casey for letting us navel gaze for just a moment. Oh yeah,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco it’s a tech

⏹️ ▶️ Casey podcast. I have been riveted to figure out what’s going on with your polarizer and lens protector,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey John.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Oh no. It’s back, baby. It’s back. We didn’t get to do this. So when John talked about polarizers

⏹️ ▶️ Marco in the episode before the Apple event episode, we got so much feedback

⏹️ ▶️ Marco because half of what he said was wrong, and And then we couldn’t cover it in

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John last

⏹️ ▶️ Marco week because it was the event episode and we didn’t have time. So we just kept getting more

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, Casey feedback.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco It’s all the same stuff. Yeah, everything you said was wrong.

⏹️ ▶️ John Not everything I said was wrong.

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco So here was the misunderstanding that I had. Here was my,

⏹️ ▶️ John the main thing I was mistaken about, which many, many people pointed out, of course. I was talking about my polarizer that I stick

⏹️ ▶️ John on the front of my interchangeable lens camera. It’s like a little thing that goes over the lens and you can twist it. And

⏹️ ▶️ John I was surprised that there was no markings on it telling me like how it should be aligned or anything. Because my

⏹️ ▶️ John what I had in my head was that you would twist it and there was a position where it was sort of like a

⏹️ ▶️ John maximum effect and there was another position where it was not doing anything. And that’s not true at

⏹️ ▶️ John all. Because what I had in my mind was a two element system where if anyone has ever taken two pairs

⏹️ ▶️ John of polarized sunglasses or two polarized pieces of like, you know, material and like a, you know,

⏹️ ▶️ John school laboratory or whatever. If you put them together and you twist them, when they are at 90 degrees to each

⏹️ ▶️ John other, like across, they’ll be totally black. And then when you twist them 90 degrees back the other way,

⏹️ ▶️ John they’re as transparent as they’re gonna get. But that’s not how polarizers, a circular polarizer

⏹️ ▶️ John that I bought and put on my camera works. It only has one element. It’s just a single polarizing thing.

⏹️ ▶️ John And so it’s not twisting against any other polarized thing, so there is no position in which it

⏹️ ▶️ John is totally black, for instance, or position in which it is, you know, totally transparent or whatever.

⏹️ ▶️ John Instead it is just a polarizing filter and it is going to let through light that

⏹️ ▶️ John the waves are wiggling in one particular direction or whatever and the way you’re supposed to use

⏹️ ▶️ John it is you I mean there’s a whole bunch of people said oh you can look at where the Sun is you can do this you can do that but the bottom

⏹️ ▶️ John line is what light do you not want to get through and what light do you want to get through? Twist the you know

⏹️ ▶️ John the simple answer is twist the lens until the picture looks the way you want it to look and that really is it because

⏹️ ▶️ John it depends on what light you’re trying to cancel out is Is it a reflection off a flat, you know, pool of

⏹️ ▶️ John water? Is it a reflection off a curved car bumper? Like what are you trying to see or

⏹️ ▶️ John not see? So that explains why there are no markings on it because it is entirely up to you how you

⏹️ ▶️ John want to twist it and how you want it to work. And actually there is a filter that works the way

⏹️ ▶️ John I was describing, it’s called a variable neutral density filter, which actually is, you know, we talked about neutral

⏹️ ▶️ John density filters two weeks ago. It’s like a way to block light from getting into your camera so you can have a bigger aperture without blowing

⏹️ ▶️ John out the frames in your video or whatever. A variable neutral density filter so you don’t have to keep swapping filters.

⏹️ ▶️ John It’s one filter with two elements that twist relative to each other, two polarized elements that twist relative to each other

⏹️ ▶️ John to become darker or lighter. But anyway, I just have a very polarized filter. But that’s not the exciting

⏹️ ▶️ John part about this feedback. So yes, thank you to everyone who sent me that feedback. I’ll put some links in the show notes of like

⏹️ ▶️ John explanations of this that are more long-winded and more detailed. But one person,

⏹️ ▶️ John Stepan Dolenzal, sent me a link to a MinutePhysics video about polarizers. And I was like, oh yeah, well, a million

⏹️ ▶️ John people have sent stuff, I know MinutePhysics, maybe I haven’t seen this one. So I started watching it again, and it goes through polarizations, like yeah, yeah, yeah,

⏹️ ▶️ John great, it’s got some cool diagrams. But then it gets into a super cool thing that

⏹️ ▶️ John kind of reminds me of, I mean, it kind of reminds me of the feeling I got, a feeling I used

⏹️ ▶️ John to get when I would tell, this is gonna sound nerdy, you tell people about, no.

⏹️ ▶️ John The feeling you get when you tell people about special relativity, it’s kind of like. Have you done this a

⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey lot?

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Yeah, this is something that you just do from time to

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, John time? When

⏹️ ▶️ John I was a kid, I used to do it, right? So here’s the thing.

⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey This is the least

⏹️ ▶️ Casey surprising

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, John thing you’ve ever said.

⏹️ ▶️ John I’ll put a link in the show notes about this. This polarizer thing, if you haven’t ever seen this before,

⏹️ ▶️ John it will give you a similar feeling, learning about special relativity. Special relativity,

⏹️ ▶️ John you can explain it to people, or when you first learn it, in my case, when you’re a kid or whatever, the

⏹️ ▶️ John ideas behind it, you’re like, wait a second. Everybody in the world has known, it’s not

⏹️ ▶️ John everybody, obviously, but everyone in the world has known that this is true and no one has told

⏹️ ▶️ John me. And they’ve known it since like the early 1900s. Like everyone

⏹️ ▶️ John has known that the speed of light is a constant in any inertial frame of reference and all the consequences

⏹️ ▶️ John that come from that and no one just says anything about it. And you tell someone about it when they’re an adult and the consequences of

⏹️ ▶️ John it, and you’re like, yeah, yeah, things shrink in their direction of motion. You’re like, what do you mean things shrink? Like, well, see, the speed

⏹️ ▶️ John of light is a constant. Everything else, including time and space, adjust to accommodate that. Like, no, that’s not

⏹️ ▶️ John how anything works. Like, no, yeah, that’s how things work. It’s like, no, that’s not, yeah. It’s like the nature of reality.

⏹️ ▶️ John So many people don’t, things that, fundamental things that people don’t know about the nature of reality, because mostly because it’s not relevant to

⏹️ ▶️ John your daily life, when things are not moving past each other or anything approaching the speed of light, so it’s not relevant.

⏹️ ▶️ John But when you learn that about your reality, you’re like, it blows your mind, and then you learn,

⏹️ ▶️ John yeah, and scientists have known this for like a hundred something years. What? And no

⏹️ ▶️ John one told me? So here, the polarizer one has something like that. So here’s the fun polarizer thing.

⏹️ ▶️ John It’s in the video, so I’ll put a link in the show notes if you wanna watch this YouTube video, explains it probably better than I’m going to right now.

⏹️ ▶️ John But remember what I said about the polarizing filters and like you twist it and it like, they only

⏹️ ▶️ John let through light that is going in a particular direction and they don’t let through light that’s going in other directions, right?

⏹️ ▶️ John So if you take two polarizing filters and you put one filter on one end of a tube and one filter on the other end

⏹️ ▶️ John of the tube, right? And you shine light in one end, right? If you twist those two lenses relative to each other, you can adjust

⏹️ ▶️ John how much light is going through because the first filter will filter out some light and then you twist the other one. If you twist them at 90 degrees,

⏹️ ▶️ John it in theory blocks all of the light, right? And if you, you know, 90 degrees relative to each other. And as you align

⏹️ ▶️ John them to be facing the same direction, they let through as much light as possible, right? So you get these

⏹️ ▶️ John two filters, one on one end and one on the other, and you twist them. So they’re knocking out some amount of light, right?

⏹️ ▶️ John And you’re like, okay, I put in this amount of light and then I see the amount of light that comes out the other end is like half.

⏹️ ▶️ John So the amount that I’ve twisted them, I’m knocking out half the light. The exciting thing about polarizing filters is,

⏹️ ▶️ John if you take that arrangement, two filters, one on each end of a tube, light goes in, half the light comes out.

⏹️ ▶️ John If you put a third filter in the middle of the tube, more light

⏹️ ▶️ John can come out the end

⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey than before.

⏹️ ▶️ John What? So you got two filters, light goes in, half the light comes out. It’s like, I know what

⏹️ ▶️ John I’ll do. I’ll put a third filter in the middle and I’ll twist it. And now more light comes out the end. Okay.

⏹️ ▶️ John What? And this is one of those things that’s like, okay, you think you know how reality works,

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco but it’s

⏹️ ▶️ John like learning about special relativity, it’s like, wait, that doesn’t make any sense. And you start bargaining with yourself about, okay, well, maybe

⏹️ ▶️ John the first filter changes the light so that the second filter changes it back so more of it goes through

⏹️ ▶️ John the second one. Watch the video. It will probably hurt your brain a little bit, probably a little bit more than special relativity does because that’s

⏹️ ▶️ John the type of thing you can explain pretty easily. This gets into quantum mechanics and stuff. But the bottom line is the

⏹️ ▶️ John universe does not work the way you think it works in many really important ways. And something as

⏹️ ▶️ John simple as a pair of polarizing sunglasses can show you this and then lead you

⏹️ ▶️ John to do all the experiments that, again, scientists did like 100 years ago to learn something about

⏹️ ▶️ John reality that scientists know but regular people don’t that is very, very disturbing and will really

⏹️ ▶️ John make you question the nature of your reality, as they say on Westworld.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey I feel better for having had my reality rocked here on the 500th episode of ATP.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco See, other people just take drugs. we have this stuff. We have physics.

⏹️ ▶️ John Get next time you go to a fish concert, bring a tube and three polarizing and be like, okay,

⏹️ ▶️ John light goes in the end like goes in. Now I’m gonna put in the third filter. What do you think is gonna happen? Everybody like it’s gonna block more light dudes

⏹️ ▶️ John like

⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey really? Ah, more light is coming.

⏹️ ▶️ John Watch this baby. Whoa. How does that work?

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Follow-up: iPhone focal lengths

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Colin Robertson writes in, regarding the iPhone’s main camera focal lengths, Marco mentioned that he thought most iPhones until

⏹️ ▶️ Casey the 14 Pro were all equivalent to be about 26 millimeters. I was recently wondering the same thing, so I gathered

⏹️ ▶️ Casey as much information as I could about every iPhone camera system, and I put it all together in a spreadsheet, which we will link in the

⏹️ ▶️ Casey show notes. It’s an iCloud numbers document, so who knows if it’ll work, but we’ll see.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Colin continues to get to the point. The main camera is going from 37 millimeters on the original iPhone 3GS to,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey or excuse me, the original iPhone through 3GS to now 24 millimeters. The 4, 4S, and 5 were all around 30 to 32. My

⏹️ ▶️ Casey favorite focal length was, in the iPhone was the 4S, writes Colin. Then to about 28 millimeters on the 5S through

⏹️ ▶️ Casey the 10. Then to 26 millimeters starting with the 10S generation. Also, John assumed that the

⏹️ ▶️ Casey 2X mode on the 14 Pro camera is quote,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey still going to be better than any 2X camera that Apple has ever shipped, unfortunately. Quote, I didn’t believe

⏹️ ▶️ Casey him because that’s a pretty heavy crop. Doing the math on that, the new substantially larger sensor

⏹️ ▶️ Casey cropped to the 2X size will take the 9.8 by 7.3 millimeter sensor to 4.9 by 3.65 millimeters,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey which is still larger than the four by three telephoto sensors that have been all the iPhone 2X and 3X

⏹️ ▶️ Casey cameras. Nice. Finally, John should use a lens hood to protect his lenses rather than a clear UV

⏹️ ▶️ Casey filter. God help me, here we are again. They help reduce flare, which results in washed out, low

⏹️ ▶️ Casey contrast images, and are better at protecting the front element than a filter. I actually do use a

⏹️ ▶️ Casey hood on both of my lenses, and I concur with Colin on this one.

⏹️ ▶️ John Yeah, I just wanted to throw that in there because of the mention of UV and the hood thing. So yes, I use hoods on all

⏹️ ▶️ John my camera lenses. That’s not just for safety, although of course it does provide some

⏹️ ▶️ John safety because if the camera goes face down on the ground, it’ll hit the hood first and not the lens element.

⏹️ ▶️ John But it’s also, it prevents glare and everything. It does what the lens hood is supposed to do. But if you’re at the beach,

⏹️ ▶️ John one of the things you’re trying to protect against is water and grit and sand and who knows what else,

⏹️ ▶️ John jump being thrown by crashing waves into the lens. And in that case, the lens hood is only gonna

⏹️ ▶️ John protect it if it comes from the side. But if it comes straight at the lens, that’s when you need a clear element in the front. And we mentioned

⏹️ ▶️ John last time that sometimes they call those clear screw on things that are not polarizing or anything. They’re just supposed to be

⏹️ ▶️ John a clear piece of material. Sometimes they call those UV filters for filtering out ultraviolet

⏹️ ▶️ John light, which used to be much more important on film cameras because film was more sensitive to UV

⏹️ ▶️ John light, but apparently on cameras, on modern digital cameras, most digital

⏹️ ▶️ John sensors or parts of the imaging system of digital cameras don’t pick up UV anyway.

⏹️ ▶️ John There was an article, I think we’ll link in the show notes, that has like graphs of the various sensors and various cameras showing

⏹️ ▶️ John what wavelengths of light they are sensitive to at all. And a lot of them, you see a hard cutoff before you start

⏹️ ▶️ John going into UV, in particular my camera that I’m using, you don’t need a UV

⏹️ ▶️ John filter for it. So they still sell them as UV filters and they still do filter out UV, but depending on your camera, especially

⏹️ ▶️ John if it’s a modern digital one, it may not be particularly useful for protecting against UV, but it will protect against

⏹️ ▶️ John very small rocks.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I’m actually, I’m very happy to hear the reports of the 2X crop

⏹️ ▶️ Marco on the iPhone 14 Pro actually having like more sensor area to work with

⏹️ ▶️ Marco than the previous 2X cameras did and presumably the 3X camera as well.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco And we’ll see, you know, the reviews have all been, you know, pretty minimally discussing the

⏹️ ▶️ Marco 2X, but so far it seems like they might back this up. So, and I don’t actually have

⏹️ ▶️ Marco a 14 Pro yet, none of us do yet. It’s coming in a couple of days, but for next week’s show, I hope to have

⏹️ ▶️ Marco some kind of impression of this, because, you know, the 2X camera and the 3X camera have always, as we talked about in the show, been

⏹️ ▶️ Marco so inferior optically to the 1X camera. And maybe this will help a little bit.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco The only thing is that it’s not exactly a direct comparison because you’re getting

⏹️ ▶️ Marco the reduced color resolution, if that makes sense, because you’re taking

⏹️ ▶️ Marco those quad Bayer pixels and you’re gonna have, the resulting

⏹️ ▶️ Marco pixels are gonna have a different Bayer arrangement than they would have on a sensor dedicated just to that focal length.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco You’re gonna have like the four, the clusters of four of each color together and you’ll be relying on

⏹️ ▶️ Marco the like raw algorithms to de-mosaic that color-wise,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I guess, and to interpret what the color should be, and there gonna be lower

⏹️ ▶️ Marco resolution on that input data because of the clustering of those quad pixels. So it isn’t exactly

⏹️ ▶️ Marco a direct comparison, but in practice, the sensors were so crappy on the 2X and 3X cameras

⏹️ ▶️ Marco before that this is probably gonna be an improvement anyway, just because it is getting

⏹️ ▶️ Marco larger pixels, even though you have that issue of the reduced color detail.

⏹️ ▶️ John Yeah, that’s the math that Colin did because he didn’t believe my mostly snarky comment about it still being better

⏹️ ▶️ John than any 2X. However, you do the math and the cropped sensor that they’re using for the 2X is still

⏹️ ▶️ John bigger than any 2x or 3x sensor that Apple has shipped.

Satellite location-sharing

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Satellite location sharing. If you’re on an adventure, writes Apple,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey without cell service, you can now use Find My to share your location via satellite so friends and family know where you are.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey I feel like they mentioned this extremely briefly in the keynote and then blew right by it.

⏹️ ▶️ John Yep, they did. Well, so since satellite isn’t, like this feature isn’t shipping yet, I forget what the date it is,

⏹️ ▶️ John but we’ll talk more about delayed dates in a little bit. But anyway, we won’t be able to test this even when we get our phones.

⏹️ ▶️ John My question is, okay, so I understand the feature, but does it work by me having to pause in

⏹️ ▶️ John my hike every once in a while and do that thing where I point my phone at the satellite or does it happen ambiently with my

⏹️ ▶️ John phone in my backpack?

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I’m pretty sure you have to send it. And the one thing is like, so this is, you know, the way the emergency

⏹️ ▶️ Marco SOS via satellite feature was advertised in the keynote and everything we know about it so

⏹️ ▶️ Marco far, it seems like it is, with this exception, only able to be used as like

⏹️ ▶️ Marco a 911, like to actually get emergency

⏹️ ▶️ Marco responder help. And so you wouldn’t wanna use that if it’s not really an emergency.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Like if you just wanna like, you know, send a message to somebody, it would be inappropriate to use that service

⏹️ ▶️ Marco to do it. But they said, outside of an emergency situation, you can still

⏹️ ▶️ Marco use the satellite service they’re providing to send your location to people like, you know,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco upon command, so periodically. So if you’re out on a hike in the middle of nowhere, You can send your location

⏹️ ▶️ Marco once or twice a day or whatever it is to your spouse or whoever or your people at home. You

⏹️ ▶️ Marco can send it to them to say, Hey, look, I was on top of this mountain today in case you need to know where I am in case

⏹️ ▶️ Marco something happens. Like here’s where I was a few hours ago or something like that. So you can do that. Now, you

⏹️ ▶️ Marco know, I do wonder, are people going to like devise meanings for things like remember like

⏹️ ▶️ Marco when you were growing up being the nerd in the room and you would need your parents to pick you up from somewhere,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco and you learned about collect calls. And so you’d go to the nearest pay phone, and you wouldn’t put a quarter in, you’d call

⏹️ ▶️ Marco collect to your parents, and it would ask you for your name. And you’d be like, hey mom, come pick me up now, bye!

⏹️ ▶️ Marco And then

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John your mom would

⏹️ ▶️ Marco get a phone call, would you like to accept a collect call from, hey mom, come pick me up

⏹️ ▶️ John now, bye! As if your reading glass of story didn’t already make people think you’re old. None of the

⏹️ ▶️ John kids now have any idea what you’re talking about.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco So in the absence of a proper communication

⏹️ ▶️ Marco channel that you wanted to use, you would fake this kind of sideband capability of this other channel

⏹️ ▶️ Marco that you could use. Well, I wonder, are you gonna devise a system with like, okay, well, if my

⏹️ ▶️ Marco location is like on the north side of

⏹️ ▶️ Marco a little tiny hill, it means I want you to deliver me a pizza. If your location

⏹️ ▶️ Marco is on the east side, It means I just saw a funny looking animal. I

⏹️ ▶️ Marco wonder if people do stuff

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, Casey like

⏹️ ▶️ Casey that. Nobody’s going to know what a collect call is. And if I try to explain it now, you’re just going to cut it out, aren’t you?

⏹️ ▶️ Marco No, because our listeners, somebody out there was like the head engineer who designed

⏹️ ▶️ Marco collect calls.

⏹️ ▶️ John We’ll put a link in the show notes to collect calls. It’s not that interesting except to appreciate modern technology

⏹️ ▶️ John and how lucky you are to never have had to deal with this. And

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco also,

⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey and I would

⏹️ ▶️ John say, the really more visceral part of dealing with collect calls and stuff like that,

⏹️ ▶️ John is the idea that as children, we would all just be waiting at the school for

⏹️ ▶️ John our parents to pick us up with no way to communicate with them because we don’t have a quarter for the phone. And there’s no one home

⏹️ ▶️ John to get our collect call because our parents are at work or on the road or whatever. And we don’t know their work number. If they’re

⏹️ ▶️ John on the road, we can’t call them. And so you just sit there at the school. And it’d just be a bunch of kids sitting out in front of the

⏹️ ▶️ John school just waiting, just waiting half an hour, hour. Sometimes you think about, I could probably walk home. How far

⏹️ ▶️ John is it? like, ah, I’d walk along the highway, that seems dangerous. So you just sit there waiting, and you assume your parents are gonna come

⏹️ ▶️ John pick you up at some point. That’s an experience most kids don’t have these days. These days, they wanna get picked up, they wanna

⏹️ ▶️ John get picked up now, and if you’re not there immediately, something is wrong and they’re nagging you via text or whatever,

⏹️ ▶️ John we just had to sit at the school and wait and assume someone would come and get us.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco If you’re not there immediately, they’ll just summon their own Lyft from their phone.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John Right, right.

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Watch S8 CPU same as S6/S7

⏹️ ▶️ Casey All right, moving right along, Apple Watch S8 chip. This is the chip in the

⏹️ ▶️ Casey brand new Apple Watch. Apparently, it’s basically the same as the S6 and the S7. Cool.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I mean, that would explain why they didn’t really talk about it. You know, the Apple Watch, you know, they

⏹️ ▶️ Marco haven’t really upgraded the internals at all in the processing area,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco and so they’re doing it in other ways. Now, there was some speculation about this possibly being related to

⏹️ ▶️ Marco the manufacturing process they’re using. These are all still apparently seven nanometer chips by

⏹️ ▶️ Marco some people’s figuring. And so maybe they’re waiting for yields

⏹️ ▶️ Marco and stuff on three nanometer to be able to jump to that for next year’s models. Maybe

⏹️ ▶️ Marco it’s not worth the cost to use those super advanced process nodes. Cause maybe in the case

⏹️ ▶️ Marco of the watch, maybe the processor is not a major consumer of power. Maybe it’s much more about

⏹️ ▶️ Marco the radios and the screen. Who knows? But, and certainly, you know, the exercise sensor, you know,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco the LEDs that measure all the, you know, heart rate and all that stuff, those are all pretty big power consumers. So maybe

⏹️ ▶️ Marco it doesn’t matter as much for the watch. I do think that this is an area where, keep in

⏹️ ▶️ Marco mind that the watch is one of Apple’s least expensive products that has the, the

⏹️ ▶️ Marco custom Silicon chips in it. So cost is a major factor there. And we also have to keep

⏹️ ▶️ Marco in mind that yields on these chips and on the new processes are constrained

⏹️ ▶️ Marco in some way. And I think, you know, this is one thing that I think has been under discussed about

⏹️ ▶️ Marco the iPhone 14 versus 14 Pro with the 14 keeping last year’s chip instead of getting

⏹️ ▶️ Marco the new chip. I think that might have something to do with process yields. And certainly

⏹️ ▶️ Marco if it doesn’t have to do with it this year, it might have to do with it next year if they jumped to three nanometer for

⏹️ ▶️ Marco the A17, right? And then don’t,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco and then, you know, they had the A16 for the mainstream phone. We have to keep in mind

⏹️ ▶️ Marco that when Apple, Apple’s scale is immense, and especially with

⏹️ ▶️ Marco their headlining product of the iPhone, they have to make so many of the damn things that

⏹️ ▶️ Marco supply becomes a really strong constraint in a lot of these areas. And so,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco when they have to make decisions like, do we put the A16 in the iPhone 14 or just the 14 Pro?

⏹️ ▶️ Marco One of the things that has to go into that is can we make enough of them to put them in all of our

⏹️ ▶️ Marco phones from this model year and all and then to keep putting them into, you know, next year and the year after that

⏹️ ▶️ Marco as the mainstream phone becomes like the cheaper one. Do we have enough for that? And

⏹️ ▶️ Marco if they separate out the newest chip to only be in

⏹️ ▶️ Marco the Pro phone, then that allows them to make more aggressive

⏹️ ▶️ Marco decisions in what components they use and what techniques and manufacturing processes they can use because they don’t need as many

⏹️ ▶️ Marco of them. And I wonder to what degree that filters down to their other products too, like the watch. The watch,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco as I mentioned, it’s a very inexpensive product, so it can’t afford super expensive

⏹️ ▶️ Marco components compared to the other ones. And it’s something where the processor

⏹️ ▶️ Marco does seem to matter a lot less. Even if my hypothesis is wrong that it’s not a massive power consumer,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco you can at least look and say, well, look, they just released the same processor three years in a row for the watch and

⏹️ ▶️ Marco no one seems to care. So obviously it’s not that important to the market.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco So either way, I think those angles of yields and availability

⏹️ ▶️ Marco of new components for their volume, I think we often don’t think of that as a possible

⏹️ ▶️ Marco justification for some of the choices they make. But in this case, I think that’s very likely to have played a role, especially given

⏹️ ▶️ Marco the weird situation we have with COVID and supply chain and chips and everything else. So that might have played a role here

⏹️ ▶️ Marco of why they just sat on this for a while. They’re also now probably achieving

⏹️ ▶️ Marco some pretty great efficiencies in the sense that they are using what seemed to be the same CPU cores

⏹️ ▶️ Marco in the entire current Apple Watch lineup. from the SE all the

⏹️ ▶️ Marco way to the Ultra, they are apparently using the same cores. Not the same overall

⏹️ ▶️ Marco chip package, but the same cores it seems. And so that has to play some role. Plus those same

⏹️ ▶️ Marco cores are going into, I believe the HomePod mini has those already. And I think the

⏹️ ▶️ Marco rumor is that the next HomePod will have the same ones. So like the next big HomePod will have the same

⏹️ ▶️ Marco ones. So, you know, they’re achieving a lot of efficiencies here and there’s probably good reasons

⏹️ ▶️ Marco for that.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey I’m still excited to get my new watch. And apparently you have some things to talk about in this department, which we’ll get to

⏹️ ▶️ Casey in a little bit. Apple has delayed iCloud shared photo library

⏹️ ▶️ Casey for iOS 16. This is a bummer, but I much prefer

⏹️ ▶️ Casey them taking a pause to make sure it is absolutely rock solid rather than saying, YOLO,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey we’ll ship it and see what happens. So I am begrudgingly behind this decision

⏹️ ▶️ Casey if they feel like it’s necessary.

⏹️ ▶️ John There’s a bunch of features that are delayed. I mean, this is the new way Apple works is they announce a bunch of features for their new OS

⏹️ ▶️ John and then when the new OS ships, some of those features aren’t gonna make it. Usually they’re getting better about knowing which those

⏹️ ▶️ John are. So when they give the presentation, here is iOS 16 and they tell you about the features and they’ll, one or two of them

⏹️ ▶️ John will say, I’m coming later this fall. Like they don’t all make launch, right? Sometimes they’re, we just

⏹️ ▶️ John forget about them, they’re delayed so long. I can’t even remember what those features are, but occasionally there’s been a feature that hasn’t come out for like six

⏹️ ▶️ John months, eight months. That’s a bummer when that happens. Sometimes they don’t ship at all, like AirPower. But yeah,

⏹️ ▶️ John the shared photo library is not shipping. In some sense, it makes sense because your photo library

⏹️ ▶️ John is the point of it, iCloud photo library, is for it to be shared across all your devices. And if you

⏹️ ▶️ John go all in on the shared photo library and you move everything to a shared one, you won’t be able to

⏹️ ▶️ John see those photos on your devices that don’t support this yet. And of course, iOS 16 is out, but iPadOS 16

⏹️ ▶️ John is not out. MacOS Ventura is not out. So

⏹️ ▶️ John it would be weird to have it only on your phone to move everything into a shared library and then just

⏹️ ▶️ John have your pictures disappear from your Mac and your iPad. So they still have to deal with that

⏹️ ▶️ John situation, obviously. They’re gonna probably have some big screen that says, hey, you know, by doing this, we noticed that you are signed

⏹️ ▶️ John into a bunch of devices that are not running Ventura, that are not running iPadOS 16.1.

⏹️ ▶️ John And so just so you know, any picture you put it into the shared library is not gonna be visible on those devices anymore. If you’re fine with that, go

⏹️ ▶️ John ahead. You know, they still have to put all that logic in. that doesn’t really solve any compatibility or messaging problems

⏹️ ▶️ John for them. But yeah, I would rather have it bake a little bit longer if that’s what they need. Even

⏹️ ▶️ John if they’re just doing it for like, well, there’s no rush and the maximum benefit of the feature will come out when all the OS has come

⏹️ ▶️ John out. You know, take your time. Because this is one of those features that I’m gonna have a difficult

⏹️ ▶️ John time being wise about. Like the wise thing to do would be,

⏹️ ▶️ John oh, let’s let someone else try it with their 100,000 photo library and see

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco how it goes.

⏹️ ▶️ John But I wanna use, I’ve waited so long in the future, I wanna use it like day one. And it’s gonna be all I

⏹️ ▶️ John can do to like sort of cautiously like make the library very carefully and then let me put 10 photos into it,

⏹️ ▶️ John let me put 100 photos into it. You know, like I’m gonna wanna use it pretty quickly. I’m thinking I’m gonna be one of those early

⏹️ ▶️ John adopters so I really hope it doesn’t bite me. So please Apple, release it when it’s ready.

Dynamic Island

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Uh, we had a really good tweet from Dan Engler who writes motion to call the wobbly

⏹️ ▶️ Casey animated successor to the notch, the splotch, which is very, very good.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey I, uh, motion

⏹️ ▶️ John approved. Not a, not a name that you would think Apple is going to choose. It’s, uh, but I thought it was clever.

⏹️ ▶️ John Uh, there’s lots of other funny names that get thrown in there, but I feel like after what, you know, a week or two

⏹️ ▶️ John of the dynamic island, uh, floating around.

⏹️ ▶️ John I think there’s a possibility that within the Apple nerd circle,

⏹️ ▶️ John the island might end up having some staying power

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco because dynamic I want to go lost.

⏹️ ▶️ John Yeah, it’s just dynamic island is just too many syllables. Yeah, you got everyone’s gonna put it in their reviews because you have

⏹️ ▶️ John to because it’s a branded feature capital D capital I dynamic island does probably a TM after it who knows.

⏹️ ▶️ John But when talking about it, well, here’s two things. You have to call it something, right? Like the

⏹️ ▶️ John developer API, as I think Steve Trout and Smith pointed out, or maybe as a Guy Rambo, like

⏹️ ▶️ John it’s called Dynamic Island in the API, right? And for the, you know, the live activities or whatever, like

⏹️ ▶️ John they have to call it something, like for example, APIs related to the doc on the Mac. They have doc in the name, because

⏹️ ▶️ John what the hell, you have to give it a name, right? It’s one of the hard problems in computer science. What do I call the doc APIs? They gotta have doc

⏹️ ▶️ John in the name. What are the APIs related to providing views that are going to, you know,

⏹️ ▶️ John compose themselves into the dynamic island. Dynamic island is right there in the API name. So developers

⏹️ ▶️ John at least are gonna have to keep seeing and auto completing that long name.

⏹️ ▶️ John And so that will cement it into their minds. But then when you’re writing help text

⏹️ ▶️ John or when you’re communicating with users or when you’re doing anything related to that, you have to communicate

⏹️ ▶️ John to people who use your application. The, you know, what is that,

⏹️ ▶️ John the splotch? Like you have to call it something. I don’t think you’re gonna wanna call it the dynamic island because knows

⏹️ ▶️ John knows what that is. But I think island might catch on as as the I said on the last show, there’s

⏹️ ▶️ John nothing in a user in the computer user interface that has used the name island before we used palette

⏹️ ▶️ John doc, you know, bar, toolbar, all sorts of words for interface elements, obviously,

⏹️ ▶️ John window, all that other stuff, right. But island has not been one of them. And

⏹️ ▶️ John I think Apple may be able to make island happen as a thing,

⏹️ ▶️ John for this blob on this particular phone. If this feature is copied by other phone

⏹️ ▶️ John makers, because it’s pretty easy to copy, like, you know, they already have a whole bunch of displays everywhere, it’s just no one has done this

⏹️ ▶️ John exact thing in terms of making it, you know, look like the interface element is growing and shrinking and all that other stuff,

⏹️ ▶️ John maybe they’ll call their things something island too? Or maybe people will just casually call it,

⏹️ ▶️ John oh yeah, my phone has an island too? Kind of like hole-punch camera, which is a generic term for

⏹️ ▶️ John a, you know, somewhere on a screen a screen where there’s pixels all around it that light up, but there’s no pixels that light up here because

⏹️ ▶️ John something, you know, has to see through there or whatever. So we’ll see. I don’t think the splotch

⏹️ ▶️ John has staying power, although it’s very clever. I’m glad it’s not the pill. The black hole is no good.

⏹️ ▶️ John Dynamic island is silly, but maybe island, maybe that’ll work.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Oh, we did learn from the review on the Verge today of the iPhone 14 Pro,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco we learned a little bit about what that display engine on the A16

⏹️ ▶️ Marco is doing. They mentioned in the keynote that it was somehow involved in

⏹️ ▶️ Marco special anti-aliasing for the dynamic island and we were kind of wondering what that meant.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco And so what the VIRG said was that apparently the dynamic island itself,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco as it’s being rendered, the edges of it use sub-pixel anti-aliasing

⏹️ ▶️ Marco and nowhere else and iOS uses this. And this is something that, I mean, when this,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I mean, this was first done, I think, in Windows, I believe it was called ClearType? Was that

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John what it was called?

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Where the idea of using the RGB sub pixels

⏹️ ▶️ Marco individually to kind of represent, like, the anti-aliasing blur on an edge of something to

⏹️ ▶️ Marco make things look even sharper than they otherwise would have with just using whole pixels.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco And so, and, you know, this is, it’s a great technique. And macOS supported

⏹️ ▶️ Marco this for a while with that weird preference that seemed to do the opposite of what it said it was

⏹️ ▶️ Marco doing, that weird checkbox. I think they dropped that a while back, but iOS

⏹️ ▶️ Marco has never done it. And it kind of makes sense if you think about, you know, subpixel anti-aliasing requires

⏹️ ▶️ Marco you to know the arrangement of the subpixels when you’re rendering something. And on iOS,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco you support screen rotation. And therefore, if you supported subpixel

⏹️ ▶️ Marco a and iOS every time the screen rotated, you would have to re render

⏹️ ▶️ Marco anything that was sub pixel anti aliased. And there’s also a whole bunch of other things that make it challenging

⏹️ ▶️ Marco with things like capturing shots of things for animations. And there’s a whole bunch of

⏹️ ▶️ Marco of challenging problems and kind of gotchas using sub pixel anti aliasing

⏹️ ▶️ John compositing in particular. Like that’s one of the main reasons that Apple dropped it even before the one retina, because arguably

⏹️ ▶️ John you could say, well, you don’t need it in retina because the subpixels, the pixels themselves are small enough, but even, I think even before

⏹️ ▶️ John Retina, it made sense to drop because when you composite with the subpixels, when you do

⏹️ ▶️ John subpixel anti-aliasing, you may just light up one of the, in the max case, one of the three

⏹️ ▶️ John subpixels, so maybe it’s just the red subpixel, but now you’ve got a little red turd there, right? And when

⏹️ ▶️ John you’re compositing that layer with another layer, it’s not the color it’s supposed

⏹️ ▶️ John to be. Like say the background is white, right? It’s not white, it’s red, because you just turned on the red

⏹️ ▶️ John subpixel and you didn’t turn on the green or the blue one at all. And so when you composite it, red mixes in with the

⏹️ ▶️ John thing behind it, but that’s not right. It’s supposed to be white mixing in with it. And it adds lots of complexities

⏹️ ▶️ John to, sub-pixel and high-definition adds lots of complexities to compositing. And then once you’re in retina, it’s like, well, the

⏹️ ▶️ John regular pixels are small enough. And so it makes, and then you don’t have to worry about rotation. And then on top of all that,

⏹️ ▶️ John the phones don’t even have a red, a green, and a blue sub-pixel for each pixel

⏹️ ▶️ John on the screen. They think they, even the current iTone uses that pen tile display where every pixel doesn’t

⏹️ ▶️ John even have its own red and green and blue like they share a green between adjacent pixels and they’re arranged In this weird diamond

⏹️ ▶️ John pattern. We’ll find a link for the show notes to look this up But it’s not even like there’s three little stripes

⏹️ ▶️ John red green and blue like on a turn and try and display on phone things for A variety of reasons, you know again, you don’t notice this because it’s super

⏹️ ▶️ John tiny But if you look at the verge video you see the subpixel arrangement you can see it looks like this weird

⏹️ ▶️ John honeycomb It looks like like the whatever that interface we never came up with a name with that speaking of names for things What the hell is that called

⏹️ ▶️ John in the watch where there’s like a big honeycomb hive of app icons?

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Oh, it’s called grid view Even

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John though it’s not it’s not a grid

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Everyone calls it the honeycomb except Apple.

⏹️ ▶️ John Yeah. Anyway, it’s it’s kind of like that filled with pixels and you can kind of see How it’s working Um,

⏹️ ▶️ John although I don’t think that necessarily explains the display unit because you could do that

⏹️ ▶️ John You could do that on the CPU you do a GPU Why is it that we need this other display engine

⏹️ ▶️ John thing? Like I don’t I don’t have a good technical explanation of that, but maybe it’s related to that But at any rate you can look in the

⏹️ ▶️ John video and you can see they are doing some pickle is pixel idea icing around the I was about to say the notch

⏹️ ▶️ John around the island

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco Another

⏹️ ▶️ John thing from the verge video, which is kind of disappointing. Although I should in hindsight I should have you know thought of this again.

⏹️ ▶️ John We don’t have our phones yet But if you see it on video, you know, let screens just you just don’t turn on the pixels so they’re

⏹️ ▶️ John totally black but the reflectivity like how much light bounces off a a screen

⏹️ ▶️ John pixel that’s not on and how much light bounces off the actual hole that leads to the camera is

⏹️ ▶️ John Different and so in sunlight even though the dynamic island is doing its thing

⏹️ ▶️ John You can see within the totally blacked-out area the slightly differently black

⏹️ ▶️ John Area that is the face ID thing. That is the front-facing camera. So it kind

⏹️ ▶️ John of ruins the illusion indoors You can’t see it but outdoors in sunlight You can see that there is a

⏹️ ▶️ John slightly differently black thing inside the larger splotch

Ubiquity-breach story retracted

⏹️ ▶️ Casey And then finally, very quickly, many moons ago, we discussed a story about

⏹️ ▶️ Casey how Ubiquiti had had a really terrible breach and had lost a bunch of

⏹️ ▶️ Casey confidential and private information about their customers. And

⏹️ ▶️ Casey it later turned out to be an inside job because some, I don’t remember the details, but

⏹️ ▶️ Casey it was like somebody had gotten fired or wanted to, or was playing some sort of of stock game where they really

⏹️ ▶️ Casey wanted Ubiquiti to have problems. And I just wanted to take note very quickly that

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Krebs, which was the original news source that broke the story, has

⏹️ ▶️ Casey unequivocally walked back their reporting and said, in a way that Bloomberg is apparently incapable of,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey that they were dead wrong and they shouldn’t have run it. And I think they’ve actually pulled the original story off their website

⏹️ ▶️ Casey and so on and so forth. So I just wanted to very quickly acknowledge that.

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We bought some stuff

⏹️ ▶️ Casey We bought some stuff, probably, maybe.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco So I will say the ordering process once again proves that the Apple Store

⏹️ ▶️ Marco app on iOS is the best way to be doing this.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Hard agree, but we shouldn’t be telling people that. That should be our member perk, is how do you most

⏹️ ▶️ Casey efficiently order an iPhone? But yes, the answer is the Apple Store app.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco So I was very pleasantly surprised that, you know, in past years, And

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I’m not part of the iPhone upgrade program. But in past years, even those of us who were not in the upgrade

⏹️ ▶️ Marco program, we had the option to like bookmark or favorite whatever we wanted to buy before

⏹️ ▶️ Marco buying time. So you could go the day before and set everything up and configure it and like favorite it. And then at buying

⏹️ ▶️ Marco time, you’d just go like, oh, go into your favorites, and then you’d jump right there and you’d save a few steps. But you still have to go through

⏹️ ▶️ Marco a lot. This year, we got what I’ve heard the upgrade program

⏹️ ▶️ Marco people have gotten before, which is this year, you could go through almost the entire

⏹️ ▶️ Marco process ahead of time. Anybody could, upgrade program or not, and you could go through everything, like are you

⏹️ ▶️ Marco trading in a phone? Are you replacing this phone on your AT&T account? Or like everything, go through the entire

⏹️ ▶️ Marco thing, even put in whether you’re using Apple Pay or not, like put in everything

⏹️ ▶️ Marco and have that ready to go, and then as soon as opening time happened, you could tap like two buttons

⏹️ ▶️ Marco and it was done. And I was very happy to see that. it worked perfectly for me.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco It was weird how they chose who to let in. I was pleased to see that it auto-refreshed the page,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco so you didn’t have to keep force quitting the app. I did anyway.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Oh, is that right? I did not know

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, Marco that. Yeah,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I had it open in my web browser too, and it auto-refreshed. I was very happy to see that.

⏹️ ▶️ John This is one of the few times that I actually endorsed force quitting, because in years past, that hasn’t been true. And

⏹️ ▶️ John even, because what you’re basically trying to, you’re on a waiting screen, and you’re like, okay, but do I just sit here and stare

⏹️ ▶️ John at the screen, and it

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco will eventually let me in?

⏹️ ▶️ John And one way to sort of avoid having to wonder that is just kill the app and then relaunch

⏹️ ▶️ John it. Because when it relaunches, you see a little spinner and it tries and if you get the waiting screen, it came, you know. So anyway, I heard lots

⏹️ ▶️ John of people say, oh, it auto refreshes, you don’t have to do that. But I don’t think anybody knows what the auto refresh

⏹️ ▶️ John interval is. And if the

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco interval

⏹️ ▶️ John is less than you can furiously force

⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey quit and relaunch the app, you

⏹️ ▶️ John still might get in slightly faster by force quitting and relaunching the app. But yeah, it’s probably better to

⏹️ ▶️ John not do that and just sit there and wait patiently.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I was also pleased to see that nothing was really backordered or out of stock

⏹️ ▶️ Marco or like having dates slip for quite a while. Like if you wanted something on

⏹️ ▶️ Marco day one, unless you were going for things that I wasn’t seeing, you could get it very

⏹️ ▶️ Marco easily. And in fact, that applied for me not only to the phones, which I ordered first, but

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I thought for sure the AirPod Pros would be instantly backordered. And

⏹️ ▶️ Marco not only were they not instantly backordered, they weren’t even backordered like halfway through the day, like I went back

⏹️ ▶️ Marco at like noon, and it was still day one delivery with custom engraving.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco So that I was very pleased to see. It seems like, if I had to guess,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco it seems like the AirPod Pros have been done and ready for a while, and they were maybe just holding it for the phone event,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco but they seemed to have plenty of stock of those, so

⏹️ ▶️ Marco that was very nice to see. So overall, that was very positive for me as an experience,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco and possibly the smoothest Mad Rush iPhone buying experience I’ve had yet. Steven

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Puckett My experience was less easy. I think, ultimately, let me just start

⏹️ ▶️ Casey by saying before I get a bunch of emails, I think a lot of this might have been user error, but

⏹️ ▶️ Casey I have three phones coming to me on Friday, as it turns out, because I made

⏹️ ▶️ Casey mistakes. So I had done the like pre registration or whatever they called it, I forget what they called it, but I’d done the pre registration

⏹️ ▶️ Casey to get everything squared away, just like Marco was talking about. I really liked that. It was really good. For the first time, I wanted to

⏹️ ▶️ Casey go ahead and do store pickup. And the reason I wanted to do that was

⏹️ ▶️ Casey because I live nearish a major corporate white

⏹️ ▶️ Casey collar office area. Don’t be creepy. Chris

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, Marco That’s all of America, Casey. Casey Well, fair. Chris That doesn’t narrow it

⏹️ ▶️ Marco down at all.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Casey Well, but I’m near enough that I think the the UPS truck that covers this major office

⏹️ ▶️ Casey area also covers me. So I think this is based on no facts at all, but I think what

⏹️ ▶️ Casey happens is the UPS truck goes and does all the businesses during business hours. And then once that’s

⏹️ ▶️ Casey all taken care of, oh, I guess we can go and, you know, take care of all the individual homes and whatnot that

⏹️ ▶️ Casey are nearby. So my deliveries from UPS are always like five, six, seven,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey nine, you know, like in the evening. So I thought, you know what, I’m going to try it. I want to do

⏹️ ▶️ Casey in-store pickup. I squared away just my phone, I got it all ready to rock, and I go, bloop, bloop, bloop, bloop, bloop.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey I would like in-store pickup, I’ll do whatever time, I don’t care, earliest I can, go, go, go, go, go. And there was an issue on the

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Apple Pay screen, you know, where you would normally see the check mark with the blue circle around it, the blue check mark with the blue circle.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey I saw a blue circle with an exclamation point. In typical Apple fashion,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey that tells me nothing. What’s wrong? Is my payment bad?

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Is my pickup time bad? Who knows? It doesn’t matter. All we know is it didn’t work. And I’m like

⏹️ ▶️ Casey frantically, just freaking out, trying to figure out what am I supposed to do to fix this

⏹️ ▶️ Casey problem? You haven’t told me what the problem is. You’ve just said, nope. It’s like radar in Apple store form.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey But anyways, I go back through, if I recall correctly, I went through on Apple Pay the second time

⏹️ ▶️ Casey and it was after I hit the, you know, double tap the lock button or

⏹️ ▶️ Casey whatever you want to call it, that I realized, oh, this says delivery on it.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey So then I figured, all right, well, selfishly, I’m covered. It’ll come on Friday. I’ll be fine. At this

⏹️ ▶️ Casey point, I got to take care of Aaron’s phone, which admittedly I should have done already. I take the fall on that. I had

⏹️ ▶️ Casey a bad husband morning that morning. But I should take care of Aaron’s phone. And screw it, I’ll see if I can just do mine

⏹️ ▶️ Casey at the same time. So now that I have a little bit of a parachute in that I already have

⏹️ ▶️ Casey a $1,400 order coming my way, I decide, OK, I’m going to go and take my time. I’m going to go through it.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey And I think I had originally had an order time of like 8.15 at the Apple Store. Now my order time

⏹️ ▶️ Casey has dropped, oh woe is me, to like 8.45, but then I was able to send through both phones for in-store

⏹️ ▶️ Casey pickup, and I think all is well. At this point, I don’t wanna mess with the system because I’m

⏹️ ▶️ Casey scared I’m gonna screw something up. So I don’t wanna cancel it at all for at least the first 24 hours. And I

⏹️ ▶️ Casey don’t think they let you anyway.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco This is like a don’t touch anything situation. It’s like, all right, I got the orders in. Even

⏹️ ▶️ Marco if it’s not quite, you know, I might have to like adjust it tomorrow, but just yeah, just don’t touch it.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Exactly. I had looked on like Saturday and I think I’d looked on Sunday and I’d looked on both the app and on the website

⏹️ ▶️ Casey and nowhere could I find a cancel button for the individual iPhone order, the one that’s

⏹️ ▶️ Casey shipped. So I think it was Monday morning. I finally go on, you know, do a little Apple chat and the person basically

⏹️ ▶️ Casey said in so many words, it’s already shipped. Tough note. So my first phone

⏹️ ▶️ Casey is sitting in Louisville and should be here at some point Friday. And then hypothetically,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey if you, if you’re in the Richmond area and want to run into me. You can find me at the Apple Store

⏹️ ▶️ Casey at 845 in the morning or thereabouts this coming Friday. So I will need to return the

⏹️ ▶️ Casey phone that I bought. So man, it was a journey, y’all. It was a journey. But hopefully

⏹️ ▶️ Casey in a couple of days, I will be squared away. John, what did

⏹️ ▶️ John you do? Speaking of Apple Pay stuff and the little blue exclamation point thing, like last week,

⏹️ ▶️ John I had a thing. I was buying something. I think it was an Etsy. I think I was buying something for my daughter.

⏹️ ▶️ John And I’d try to check out with Apple Pay as I usually do. And it was like, oh, your shipping address is invalid.

⏹️ ▶️ John And just to be clear, my shipping address hasn’t changed in more than 20 years. Like, it’s

⏹️ ▶️ John not a thing that I update. I was like, what do you mean it’s not? And then like,

⏹️ ▶️ John it gave me, there was some way where I could choose, choose one of these addresses. And they were all the same address.

⏹️ ▶️ John It was like 123 Main Street, you know, maybe one of them, I think one of them said US,

⏹️ ▶️ John the other one said United States, Maybe one of them said street, one of them said ST instead

⏹️ ▶️ John of S-T-R-E-E-T. Maybe one of them had the zip plus four, maybe one had the plain zip, but they were all the

⏹️ ▶️ John same address. But more importantly, I haven’t changed my address. I haven’t modified my contact card, I haven’t

⏹️ ▶️ John done anything. Like, what do you mean invalid address? And I just couldn’t buy that thing

⏹️ ▶️ John from Etsy. Like I couldn’t, no matter which address I picked, it would be like, sorry, that’s an invalid address. Invalid address,

⏹️ ▶️ John and this is Apple Pay, like the Apple Pay sheet is telling me this, not the Apple pay thing

⏹️ ▶️ John that comes up on my phone, like the UI element, not from the webpage, but from the OS, was

⏹️ ▶️ John telling me, yeah, no, you don’t have a valid address, enter a valid address or I can’t do it. So I

⏹️ ▶️ John just pay with credit card, like non-Apple credit card to do that thing. And

⏹️ ▶️ John I didn’t think much of it. I’m like, well, maybe Etsy’s messed up, who knows? But I was

⏹️ ▶️ John brought back to that when I tried to take my nicely prepared order, I did this whole order prep thing in the app or whatever,

⏹️ ▶️ John and tried to buy it. and it’s like, oh, please pick a valid shipping address. I’m like, oh no, because

⏹️ ▶️ John you don’t want to see that on the morning when you had everything all prepared. And I think the store opened up for me at like 8.05 or 8.06 or

⏹️ ▶️ John something like that. But this

⏹️ ▶️ John time when it said pick a valid address, I just picked the top

⏹️ ▶️ John address on the duplicate list of my same address and it went through. I don’t know what

⏹️ ▶️ John its problem is, but it’s kind of wigging me out. Apple picked

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco it up. And of course you want to

⏹️ ▶️ John pay with your app. You wanna make sure you’re paying with your Apple Card and Apple Pay to get the whatever percent back that you

⏹️ ▶️ John get on the thing. But Apple Pay, what’s your deal? Like my address is not changed,

⏹️ ▶️ John it’s perfectly valid, there’s nothing weird about it. I always got so inside my head about like,

⏹️ ▶️ John does it care about US versus United Space States? And like if you go to the country list on

⏹️ ▶️ John a contact card, United States is how it’s spelled out, but like why did the other one say US? Anyway, after that I went

⏹️ ▶️ John to like, you can go to somewhere in settings for Apple Pay where you see like your payment addresses

⏹️ ▶️ John or shipping addresses, and I just deleted them all except for the one that is associated with my contact card. Again,

⏹️ ▶️ John these are all the same address. They’re not different addresses. I deleted them all. This is after doing

⏹️ ▶️ John my iPhone order and everything. And hopefully that will make it happy that there’s now only one choice

⏹️ ▶️ John that is the same address that’s been in my contact card for 20 years. But we’ll see, a little bit of a

⏹️ ▶️ John shakiness. And you might chalk it up to like, oh, it’s just iPhone morning, you know what it’s like, and lots of people ordering.

⏹️ ▶️ John but the Etsy thing was like a week earlier, so I don’t know what’s going on. But anyway, I ordered my phone, I got day one

⏹️ ▶️ John delivery, in theory it’s gonna come on Friday. It’s super boring, I think we talked about this, it’s 256

⏹️ ▶️ John gig black. I did the thing that I talked about last week where you look at your storage size or whatever, and I got a 256

⏹️ ▶️ John gig phone last time, and I’m using about half the storage, so I feel comfortable getting another one. I did

⏹️ ▶️ John double check on my wife’s phone because my plan is to move all

⏹️ ▶️ John of our photos from her family photo library into a shared family photo library. So suddenly

⏹️ ▶️ John I will have way more photos on my phone. Obviously I’m not gonna download them all to the optimized storage thing or

⏹️ ▶️ John whatever. But I wanted to see on her phone, does having the full library, cause she’s got all of

⏹️ ▶️ John them right now, does having the full library impact your storage? And she was also using about half of her 256.

⏹️ ▶️ John So I felt somewhat comfortable that I’ll be able to fit within 256. I’ll let you know if

⏹️ ▶️ John I regret that decision

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco later.

⏹️ ▶️ John Yeah, it’s black. and I had to deal with the case situation. Last

⏹️ ▶️ John year I bought the Apple, last year, last time I got a phone for the 12 Pro, I bought the Apple silicone

⏹️ ▶️ John case because I figured, yeah, I don’t think I’m gonna like the lip, but let me try it anyway.

⏹️ ▶️ John And that’s how I determined that I don’t like the lip because the silicone case has the lip and I don’t like

⏹️ ▶️ John it. I like the case otherwise, it was great, but I don’t like the lip. So this year

⏹️ ▶️ John I had to make a similar decision. By the way, why I bought the silicone case last time was like, I don’t know what I’m gonna get. Let me try this one. We’ll

⏹️ ▶️ John see how I like it. I didn’t want to spend all the money for the Leather Run, which I knew also had the lip. So let me buy a cheaper silicone

⏹️ ▶️ John one just to try out the lip. Well, this year, I know I don’t like the lip on the bottom of the phone. So I can’t buy

⏹️ ▶️ John the Apple silicone one. I can’t buy the Apple Leather Run, because again, they have the lip on the bottom of

⏹️ ▶️ John the phone. And I don’t like that because when I swipe up from the, was it the home indicator?

⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey I believe

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco that’s what we’re calling that, yeah.

⏹️ ▶️ John Dynamic, the island indicator of home. My thumb hits the edge of the

⏹️ ▶️ John case and I don’t like it. But Apple does sell one case that doesn’t have the bottom lip. I think we

⏹️ ▶️ John talked about this last year or the year before that, why this case doesn’t have a lip.

⏹️ ▶️ John But regardless, it doesn’t. The Apple Clear case does not have a lower lip on the phone. So

⏹️ ▶️ John people don’t know that. That is like the part where you plug in the lightning connector. That little piece of metal

⏹️ ▶️ John is pretty much entirely exposed on the bottom of the phone. The case does not wrap

⏹️ ▶️ John all the way around that. The case doesn’t have like a cutout for you to stick in the lightning connector and a and a cutout for the speaker holes and a cutout

⏹️ ▶️ John for the mic. It doesn’t have that, it’s the whole bottom is exposed, right? So I got the Apple ClearCase.

⏹️ ▶️ John I don’t like the ClearCase, I don’t want the ClearCase, but I do want a case on my phone and

⏹️ ▶️ John it needs something to tide me over until I can find a case that I actually like, which is going to be

⏹️ ▶️ John a struggle. And this year, to my list of struggles, I sort of upped the ante

⏹️ ▶️ John a little bit on what I want out of a case. Last year, I wanted a black leather, or not

⏹️ ▶️ John last year, last time I got a phone, I wanted a black leather case that was just like the Apple

⏹️ ▶️ John black leather case, but with no bottom lip. And I got as close to that as I could find, which was that OXR,

⏹️ ▶️ John you know, at the time $20, now $5.49 leather iPhone case.

⏹️ ▶️ John And I love it, I’m still on my phone. It’s amazing, I’ve had it for two years. It’s held up

⏹️ ▶️ John great, it’s exactly what I want, right? Not quite as nice as the Apple leather one, but it

⏹️ ▶️ John was 20 bucks, come on. This year I’m adding one more thing. Last time

⏹️ ▶️ John I didn’t care about MagSafe. This year I want MagSafe. I like the

⏹️ ▶️ John idea of sticking it on my, I got my wife a MagSafe mount for her car, I think

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco last Christmas or something. And it’s really handy and it charges your

⏹️ ▶️ John phone while you’re in the car. So now I have to add that to the list.

⏹️ ▶️ John There are lots of black leather cases with open bottoms with MagSafe in

⏹️ ▶️ John them. But the thing I talked about last time and the reason I like the OXR one is

⏹️ ▶️ John how the buttons are treated. The Apple leather case, usually, I haven’t

⏹️ ▶️ John looked at them in a couple years now that have lips, but they usually, on the Apple leather cases, have like a recess where the volume

⏹️ ▶️ John buttons and the power button are. And then within that recess, there is a little metal button that hits

⏹️ ▶️ John the button underneath it. And the recess is important because it allows the buttons to be,

⏹️ ▶️ John you know, thick, like a little piece of metal poking out, but not extend that far

⏹️ ▶️ John outside the phone because they are thick and they stand proud of the recess. It’s not like

⏹️ ▶️ John the case has flat sides and then on top of the flat side there is a two millimeter button sticking out. There’s like a

⏹️ ▶️ John one millimeter indentation and a two millimeter button inside the indentation so it only sticks out one millimeter,

⏹️ ▶️ John if that’s making sense. That’s what Apple does with their cases, with their leather cases. That’s what I

⏹️ ▶️ John want. Lots of leather cases with no bottom lip on them for iPhones, don’t

⏹️ ▶️ John do that. They have metal buttons that stick out from the edge

⏹️ ▶️ John of the case. Sometimes there’s even like a pucker where there’s like a mound and on top of the mound the metal buttons stick out

⏹️ ▶️ John on top of that. I don’t like that. But I had trouble. OXR is not apparently

⏹️ ▶️ John not making this case again because I don’t know why someone, some listener sent them an

⏹️ ▶️ John email and asked them if they were going to make a case like the old one and they said no it already plans at this time. Who knows if that

⏹️ ▶️ John if the person answering the email even understood what the question was because you know whatever.

⏹️ ▶️ John So I So I will keep an eye out for the OX R1, but in the meantime, I just bit the bullet and I bought the,

⏹️ ▶️ John I ordered the case that I resisted ordering last time because I thought I wouldn’t like the buttons.

⏹️ ▶️ John I still think I won’t like the buttons, but I ordered it for two reasons. One, the giant

⏹️ ▶️ John camera mesa on the back. It’s so big on the iPhone 14

⏹️ ▶️ John Pro, just gargantuan. And I think I wanna try

⏹️ ▶️ John what this case does with that, which is sort of have a gentle slope. Instead of the wall, the plastic

⏹️ ▶️ John wall that the Apple cases tend to build around the thing, and that’s, you know, my wife has that, you know, Apple case on

⏹️ ▶️ John her iPhone 13 Pro, and I felt like that little wall, this has a gentle slope. Like, it’s kind of like a crater

⏹️ ▶️ John that builds up to it. A

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco leather, a

⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey leather slope,

⏹️ ▶️ John a leather, like,

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco maybe

⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey I like that better. A leather

⏹️ ▶️ John crater. Yeah, maybe, maybe I like that better than just having a wall, so let me try that.

⏹️ ▶️ John And the other thing is, it’s not available, It’s not even shipping until October 17th. So that’s why I need

⏹️ ▶️ John a case to tide me over because you can’t even get it. You can pre-order it, which is what I did. Oh, it’s very expensive too. It’s like 80 something

⏹️ ▶️ John bucks. Wait, which case is this? This is, I’ll put a link in the show notes. It’s the Bullstrap leather

⏹️ ▶️ John case. They sell a bunch of other stuff. The leather looks fine,

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco everything. Yeah, this is

⏹️ ▶️ Marco the one that Gruber likes, right?

⏹️ ▶️ John Yeah, it’s got a bull embossed on the back and I really wish there was nothing embossed on the back. We’ll

⏹️ ▶️ John see how it goes. I mean, I may get it and it may just be like too thick and too chunky.

⏹️ ▶️ John I mean, I’ll have to, you know,

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco anyway,

⏹️ ▶️ John the clear case, I mean, I don’t think I’ve ever used Apple’s clear, I don’t like how it looks, I don’t

⏹️ ▶️ John find it attractive. It’s got that big circle on the line on the back and I don’t, my phone is black, I’m not showing off any cool

⏹️ ▶️ John color inside my clear case or anything like that. One thing that my daughter does is she sticks stuff between

⏹️ ▶️ John her clear case and the phone. You can put stickers in there, you can put little pictures and stuff like that. I don’t think

⏹️ ▶️ John I’m gonna be doing that, but that’s at least one of the advantages of having a clear case. So we’ll see, we’ll

⏹️ ▶️ John see how this goes. But yeah, I ordered my phone and a clear case that’s

⏹️ ▶️ John sitting on my desk right now. And I’m going, this is, every time I get a phone out,

⏹️ ▶️ John this is the awkward period where like for the 12 Pro, I used it without a case for a while, then

⏹️ ▶️ John I used it with a silicone case, then I tried a bunch of other cases until I found the old XR one. I just, it’s such a disruption

⏹️ ▶️ John to my life because my phone is with me all the time and I just want it to be just like my

⏹️ ▶️ John phone that I have now, but I can’t. I can’t because it’s got a giant camera on the back So you know it’s not gonna be like that. It’s not gonna lay flat

⏹️ ▶️ John on the table anymore. It’s gonna be huge. Your finger’s gonna hit that thing. And then on top of that, I have to find a case. But I’m

⏹️ ▶️ John kind of excited about the MagSafe mount. I did buy a MagSafe mount for my car that just arrived the other

⏹️ ▶️ John day. This case has MagSafe, the clear one has, so I can immediately start using that.

⏹️ ▶️ John I do have to solve the tape problem where the way the MagSafe mount works is just a little thing

⏹️ ▶️ John that screws onto an air vent or whatever. It’s not like Marco’s thing that you have to disassemble your dashboard and jam a metal

⏹️ ▶️ John thing into it or whatever. I’m not

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco gonna do

⏹️ ▶️ Marco that. That’s not at all how the

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John ProClip,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco the ProClip ones all work by just like, you just kinda like compression fit it somewhere. Like

⏹️ ▶️ Marco that’s why it’s custom for each vehicle because like they figure out, all right, you can mount to this like, you know, this

⏹️ ▶️ Marco little slope in the dashboard here if you just like kinda bend this piece of plastic slightly and then boop, clip it

⏹️ ▶️ Marco on there and then it stays forever.

⏹️ ▶️ John You can stick little slivers of wood under your fingernails too if you just open it up a little bit.

⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey Oh my God. Oh

⏹️ ▶️ John my God. Shove

⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey the piece of wood. My word.

⏹️ ▶️ John It’ll just slide right in. They design it specially so it slides right in between there. Wow. Oh, I don’t

⏹️ ▶️ John want anything jammed into my dashboard.

⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey This guy’s

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco gonna have to go quick.

⏹️ ▶️ John I’ve seen too many car rebuilding videos to know how delicate the stupid clips behind that stuff is and how crappy

⏹️ ▶️ John and soft the plastic is on dashboard components. It doesn’t need to hold on that tightly. It’s fine. The

⏹️ ▶️ John best, slight side tension, the best are like the 90s BMWs that had the soft touch plastic everywhere,

⏹️ ▶️ John right? Like that looked really expensive and felt really good. But it was basically like rubber sprayed onto

⏹️ ▶️ John hard plastic. Guess what happens to that after like 20 years? That

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco stuff just

⏹️ ▶️ John crumbles to dust and falls off and it’s like your skin flaking off. Anyway, that

⏹️ ▶️ John was not built to last, but it was really nice when it was new. Where was I? I’ve lost my train of

⏹️ ▶️ John thought. Max, you bought MagSafe for your car. Yep, I gotta figure out how to route the wire because

⏹️ ▶️ John you have the,

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco there’s a

⏹️ ▶️ John USB cable that plugs into the USB in your car to provide power to the MagSafe thing so it can

⏹️ ▶️ John charge your phone. So I have to get that cable from where the magnet thing

⏹️ ▶️ John is mounted down to my USB port and I wanna route it so it’s all nice and everything.

⏹️ ▶️ John And so tape comes in. I need some kind of like my interior of my car is black, or black

⏹️ ▶️ John or dark gray, right? I need some kind of tape that will blend in that can also stick to the textured

⏹️ ▶️ John plastic in my Honda Accord, right? That also won’t leave a disgusting

⏹️ ▶️ John sticky residue all over my beautiful Honda Accord and that’s the difficult part, right? If I use black masking

⏹️ ▶️ John tape, it would peel up in the winter. If I use duct tape, it’ll leave residue. If I use electrical tape, it’ll slide

⏹️ ▶️ John and leave a gross residue.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Well, they have those cable clip things for this purpose. They don’t work super well. They

⏹️ ▶️ Marco will fall off about once a year. Or if you hit them with your leg, they’ll fall off more. But they’ll

⏹️ ▶️ Marco leave sticky stuff, right? Sometimes. It depends on which ones you get. This is a problem that I

⏹️ ▶️ Marco have not found a good solution for. My current solution in the Tesla

⏹️ ▶️ Marco is just to, there’s like certain ridges that you can kind of friction push the cable

⏹️ ▶️ Marco and it will kind of stay there. And then I like, you know, kind of route it like under the little center console

⏹️ ▶️ Marco thing. So like my solution is mostly just like kind of rest the cable in

⏹️ ▶️ Marco natural grooves in the dash design until I can get it out of sight somewhere. And that works okay. You

⏹️ ▶️ Marco know, it’s not a great solution, but it does work okay.

⏹️ ▶️ John What I use in my wife’s car when I did it for her set up I used gaff tape, which I felt like was splitting the difference

⏹️ ▶️ John between like duct tape, masking tape and electrical tape, because it’s black, it has pretty

⏹️ ▶️ John good sticking to it, but it doesn’t leave as much residue as duct tape

⏹️ ▶️ John or electrical tape. But the problem is it’s black on the top, but the

⏹️ ▶️ John adhesive on the back is white, and as the cable moves around it, it tends to splooge out

⏹️ ▶️ John some of the adhesive, so it’s like a nice black tape with little bits of white stuff sticking out of the end.

⏹️ ▶️ John I don’t know, I know this sounds very picky, but I want it to look nice and be arrangeable. I almost

⏹️ ▶️ John kind of miss the days of my really old Honda Accord that didn’t have aux input and I had to open up the whole dashboard

⏹️ ▶️ John and add a little thing to like the head unit behind the radio that gave you an aux input. And

⏹️ ▶️ John then I would route the aux cable through the central tunnel of the car underneath the entire

⏹️ ▶️ John interior. So it came out of the little box. No visible cables. It was all, of course you had to disassemble your whole dashboard

⏹️ ▶️ John and center console to get this done. But once you did, the cable wasn’t visible except for where it came out.

⏹️ ▶️ John And so I’ve got to work on that solution. but other than that, someone in the chat room suggested

⏹️ ▶️ John nano tape. But there’s also like those command strip things where they don’t leave residue if you pull them off the right way with

⏹️ ▶️ John the little sticky, you know those?

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco Yeah, they’re great. They’re called command strips.

⏹️ ▶️ John Yeah, they come in all shapes and sizes, but I might, I mean, maybe

⏹️ ▶️ John I’ll use something like that with like a piece of tape over that. And so that’s the thing that sticks to the car and then the tape would

⏹️ ▶️ John stick to the command strip. I don’t know, I’ll work on it. But yeah, that’s all I ordered.

⏹️ ▶️ John My wife ordered her watch. No, no real issues ordering that.

⏹️ ▶️ John Basically just a identical replacement to her Series 7, but she uses her watch a lot. And just

⏹️ ▶️ John for getting the fresh battery. And plus we’re gonna rotate the her old watch down to the children and the family.

⏹️ ▶️ John So it’s all good here.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey I meant, I should be more specific. So I got a 512 iPhone in, iPhone 14 Pro in black.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Did

⏹️ ▶️ John you look at your

⏹️ ▶️ Casey storage before you bought that 512? I did. I don’t think I needed the 512, but

⏹️ ▶️ Casey it’s one of those things.

⏹️ ▶️ John much of your 512 are you using? Fess up. Chris

⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey No, no, I don’t have 512 right now. I have 256 right now. Chris How much of your 256 are you using?

⏹️ ▶️ John Chris

⏹️ ▶️ Casey I should never, I should,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, John my wife… Chris Is it triple digits everyone? What do you

⏹️ ▶️ Casey think? Chris Hold on, where is it? It’s about… Chris

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, Marco Yeah, I’m going to say like maybe 90 gigs. Chris Because he like barely uses iCloud foot lever.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Chris 176.1 gigs. Chris All right, all right. Not as, but I’m not entirely

⏹️ ▶️ Casey sure you needed 512, but okay, you do, you know. Chris No, no, I agree. I agree. But I, it’s one

⏹️ ▶️ John of those things where you can have too much, but you can’t really use it. Chris Yeah. not entirely sure you needed a 512, but okay, you do.

⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey I know,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey I agree, I agree. But it’s one of those things where you can have too much, but you can’t

⏹️ ▶️ Casey really have too little. So I figured I’d rather err on the side of caution. So I got a 512 black 14

⏹️ ▶️ Casey pro, Erin got a 256 white 14 pro. I

⏹️ ▶️ Casey did look at her usage and it was basically nothing. Although I got a little nervous about that though, because I planned you.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey So she’s the you of our family, John, in that she’s about to have her

⏹️ ▶️ Casey photo library just absolutely explode in a month or two.

⏹️ ▶️ John That’s why I check my wife’s phone, but I guess whatever sort of optimized storage thing that it does must work really well, because

⏹️ ▶️ John she’s got the full library she always has, and she’s not even halfway.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah, it works fine. Like, you don’t need to rely on having raw

⏹️ ▶️ Marco storage space to a large degree. Like, I’ve had the 256 phones, I think, for three

⏹️ ▶️ Marco or four phones in a row now. And it’s always been fine.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco And my photo library is way larger than that, but it doesn’t matter because it offloads it.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Yeah. So what did you and Tiff end up doing?

⏹️ ▶️ Marco 256 white pro for me, the Aaron phone, 512 purple, big one for Tiff,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco the Max.

⏹️ ▶️ John I have to say the white, I really liked the white this year. And if I was gonna go caseless, I think I would have gotten the white.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco And actually I also ended up with the Apple Clear case. Not quite for the

⏹️ ▶️ Marco reasons John did. Like I didn’t even know until you said so that it doesn’t have the bottom lip, which

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I think is a little nice bonus for it.

⏹️ ▶️ John Do either of you remember why it doesn’t have the bottom lip? I know we talked about it like two years ago. Why doesn’t

⏹️ ▶️ John it have the bottom lip?

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco Well,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco if I had to guess, I suspect the reason why is that the clear case is Apple’s least flexible

⏹️ ▶️ Marco case. And so I think to get the phone in and out of it, I think you need that

⏹️ ▶️ Marco opening there as kind of like a point

⏹️ ▶️ John to- I don’t know if I’d buy that. Maybe it would crack around if you had to make the openings for like the speakers and the

⏹️ ▶️ John lighting thing, it would crack because they’d be too skinny over there. I don’t know. And I don’t want to discourage

⏹️ ▶️ John them. Apple, open up the bottoms of all your phone cases, please. Yes.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco But yeah, so yeah, the way they used to be, right? But yeah, I got it because I like, I’ve been using a clear

⏹️ ▶️ Marco case from some other Rando brand on my 13 Pro for most

⏹️ ▶️ Marco of the past year. Like, you know, we went through last fall through different case options. We did the whole segments on them.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco And ultimately I ended up loving these clear cases because they were like a little bit gummy and provide a really nice grip.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco And the Apple case is a little harder. It’s like, it’s more of a hard plastic than like a, than a gummy

⏹️ ▶️ Marco plastic, but it’s still, I think it’s going to be way grippier than anything else. And the

⏹️ ▶️ Marco gummy plastic case brands that I ended up liking last year, I don’t, I didn’t see that they

⏹️ ▶️ Marco were currently making any for the front, for the pro this year yet. So I figure maybe I’ll

⏹️ ▶️ Marco look at those later, but the Apple one, I might just stick with this. I think it’s gonna be fine.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Yeah, I should have said, I think I might’ve said before, I did absolutely get the Apple black leather

⏹️ ▶️ Casey case, and I’m hopeful that that’s not too bad. And then, because I used to be a

⏹️ ▶️ Casey black leather case person for years and years and years, and then for whatever reason, last time I didn’t. Now, Marco,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey you slid by, I don’t remember if it was before or after, before we started recording or once we started recording, you

⏹️ ▶️ Casey also ordered something else.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Well, this is interesting. Okay, so I mentioned last episode,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco based on the event that I was not going to be ordering the Apple

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Watch Series 8, that for the very first time ever, I was going to skip an Apple Watch generation.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco And then what happened was, so there’s a couple of things you need to know. So first

⏹️ ▶️ Marco of all, I make an app for the Apple Watch and

⏹️ ▶️ Marco you cannot downgrade the watchOS version on an Apple Watch during the beta.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco the same way, you can downgrade iPhones, and the way you do that is you

⏹️ ▶️ Marco do whatever incantation of holding down buttons is necessary to put it into DFU mode, and then

⏹️ ▶️ Marco you kind of, you have to do a clean restore, you can’t keep your settings and everything, you do a clean restore

⏹️ ▶️ Marco to a version of iOS that you can download and pick the IPSW or let it do whatever the latest

⏹️ ▶️ Marco release version is, so that way if you’re on a beta, you can get off the beta and go back. That works on iPhones,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco because they have a way to do DFU mode where you plug in a cable and do these button things. There is no such way

⏹️ ▶️ Marco that we have access to as outside consumers for Apple Watches. I’ve heard Apple support

⏹️ ▶️ Marco can do it because they have like special docks that can put them in with a push special diagnostic pins and everything. Anyway, so

⏹️ ▶️ Marco my problem was at WWDC this year, I was the responsible developer rather than

⏹️ ▶️ Marco putting beta one on my carry phone, I brought a second phone. I brought my iPhone mini

⏹️ ▶️ Marco to WWDC to put the beta on. And I also brought my

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Apple Watch Series 6 from last year that I kept, because the trading values sucked. Because trading values for watches

⏹️ ▶️ Marco suck. We’ll get back to this. So, I had my Series 6. When I was there, I put on the beta.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Beta 1 on my iPhone mini, my kind of secondary backup phone, and on my old

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Apple Watch, my Series 6. I put watch with beta 1. Oops.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco That’s my mistake. I should’ve put the beta on my primary watch, like

⏹️ ▶️ Marco move my primary watch over to that phone because what happened at the end of the summer,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco now if I want my primary watch to be upgraded to watchOS 9, now

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I have no watches left that can run watchOS 8 because you can’t downgrade watches.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco At the same time this happened that I had no watchOS 8 hardware, there was a bug in my

⏹️ ▶️ Marco app last week that required me to test on watchOS 8

⏹️ ▶️ Marco because I was getting reports that it was crashing on watchOS 8, and this was almost 100% of

⏹️ ▶️ Marco the user base because this was before watchOS 9 was actually released to the public. The GM was out, but it wasn’t

⏹️ ▶️ Marco out to the public. And I had a crasher bug, and I had no hardware to test it on. So,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco this was a school day. Adam was at school, and he has an Apple Watch SE that I

⏹️ ▶️ Marco thought was running watchOS 8. We’ll come back to that as well. And I thought, oh, I can run it on his watch, great.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco But his watch is set up with family setup, which means I can’t run Overcast

⏹️ ▶️ Marco on it. And it’s kind of weird because it has no, effectively it has no parent phone.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Like it’s kind of my phone is the parent phone, but kind of not. And apps that don’t run 100% independently

⏹️ ▶️ Marco on the watch can’t run on family setup watches. And Overcast, I don’t have set up that way. So I couldn’t test it on his because

⏹️ ▶️ Marco he was both at school and also it would have required resetting his whole watch, which I didn’t want to do.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Secondly, I could install it on TIFFs, but I’m a good developer spouse.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I try to avoid roping my spouse’s devices into my testing

⏹️ ▶️ Marco because they’re her devices, she’s using them, it’s her life, I don’t wanna mess up her stuff. But she at least

⏹️ ▶️ Marco had a watch with watchOS 8, so I’m like, ugh, I’m like, honey, I need to ask a really, really

⏹️ ▶️ Marco big favor. And she thought it was gonna be way worse than this, but anyway,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, Casey so

⏹️ ▶️ Marco she let me, yeah, she let me do it, but this is something I don’t wanna have to ask more than,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco like, ever, especially because the crash was, I had to play audio,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco and on a watch, you have to play audio through Bluetooth. So what I had to do was borrow her phone

⏹️ ▶️ Marco so I could connect it to Xcode and have that.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, Casey And her

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, Marco headphones.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco And her Apple Watch and her AirPods. So I’m taking everything

⏹️ ▶️ Marco from her. It was so disruptive, so invasive. So I’m like,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco you know what, this is not, as long as my app is supporting watchOS 8,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco which is probably gonna be for about another nine to 12 months, I need test

⏹️ ▶️ Marco hardware. I need my own watch that runs watch OS eight. I can’t buy the new ones

⏹️ ▶️ Marco because they all have watch OS nine and also aren’t actually out until Friday or whatever. So like

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I can’t do that. So like maybe we upgrade Tiff and then I can take hers as a test device.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco But she doesn’t want the new one because she doesn’t wear it every day. It’s only for exercise. So like the new stuff wouldn’t

⏹️ ▶️ Marco be relevant to her. She specifically said she didn’t care, she didn’t want it, she wouldn’t use it.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Well, Adam has the SE, the first SE. Maybe he’s ready for an upgrade. Like his watch is fine.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco It’s scratched up, but it’s fine. You know? Oh, I forgot to mention the day this all happened was

⏹️ ▶️ Marco last Friday. WatchOS 9 was being released on Monday. And I knew if

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I want to buy a watch that has watchOS 8 to be guaranteed on it, I have

⏹️ ▶️ Marco to buy it before watchOS 9 is released to the public because so many people will auto update, so

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I’m like, I have to lock this in now. So, what I ended up doing,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I’m like, alright, what we’re gonna do, we’re gonna replace Adam’s watch and I’ll take his old one and I will just turn off auto update on his

⏹️ ▶️ Marco old one. So I try to turn off auto update on his watch and it bugs out and it’s like,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco your watch has not finished pairing yet to your phone. I set it up like two years ago, like

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I guarantee you it’s finished pairing, but anyway, that’s another day. So I’m like, oh god, what’s going

⏹️ ▶️ Marco on? So anyway, I work it out with him, what we’re gonna do, we’re gonna replace his watch and get him a new one.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco So I look at the options. Now, as I mentioned a little bit ago, Apple watches have terrible trade-in

⏹️ ▶️ Marco values. They always have. You can trade in a phone to Apple for half of what you paid

⏹️ ▶️ Marco for it. You trade in a watch to Apple, and no matter what it is, no matter what the metal is,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco your trade-in value is gonna be like 125 bucks or something. It’s very, very low compared to like

⏹️ ▶️ Marco a watch that cost six or $800 one year ago. You trade it into Apple, it’s 125 bucks or whatever.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco it’s it’s very very low trading values. I don’t know why this is for whatever reason

⏹️ ▶️ Marco watches do not have high resale values because you can also go

⏹️ ▶️ Marco on eBay or Amazon or whatever and you can get refurb Apple watches or used

⏹️ ▶️ Marco ones for these also pretty low prices considering how much

⏹️ ▶️ Marco they cost even one year earlier. Now we also mentioned earlier the Apple

⏹️ ▶️ Marco watch CPU has not changed in three years So

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I looked at the SE, the new SE, ok so for you know 300 bucks ish, $253, because we

⏹️ ▶️ Marco get cellular for them, so like for 300 bucks, I could get

⏹️ ▶️ Marco him this new model that has the same processor as,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco roughly, as a Series 5. And the Apple Watch SE was basically

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Series 5 processor in a series 4 body roughly so it had the series 4

⏹️ ▶️ Marco new shape screen but not always on screen and then you know a couple other features were cut like some

⏹️ ▶️ Marco of the advanced heart stuff but anyway and the new SE is

⏹️ ▶️ Marco series 8 guts but again still with like that series 4 screen and the plastic back and everything

⏹️ ▶️ Marco something hmm I don’t think he actually would be benefiting

⏹️ ▶️ Marco much from getting a new SE let me see what I can get on on the refurb market

⏹️ ▶️ Marco and I went on Amazon and we got him for $50 less for like 240 bucks. We got him a

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Series 6 cellular for 240 bucks and

⏹️ ▶️ Marco it was you know bad refurb and you know It was sorry Amazon like renewed, you know, which is their version of refurb,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I guess I’m sure there’s some minor difference. But anyway, two hundred forty bucks. We got a series six And so now

⏹️ ▶️ Marco he has the always on screen He has roughly the same processor that the SE

⏹️ ▶️ Marco would have had, and the only downside was it is slightly used. And I’ve actually bought a

⏹️ ▶️ Marco couple of used watches on Amazon over the years for various reasons, or renewed stuff. Even my

⏹️ ▶️ Marco iPhone mini, my iPhone 13 mini that I’ve been testing on, I got that renewed on Amazon. Overall, this process is

⏹️ ▶️ Marco fine, and I’ve had good luck with it. The only thing I will warn people of is the accessories that come with these devices.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco In the case of the phone, it’s the charger. In the case of the Apple Watch, it’s the charging cable and the band.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco They’re always really cheap knockoff garbage. Throw them away. They’re so cheap,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco like I don’t even trust, the charger that comes with an Apple, with like a refurb

⏹️ ▶️ Marco phone from Amazon, I don’t even trust it to plug into my wall and not start a fire.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco The charging cables that come with, they’re always imitation lightning cables or whatever.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I don’t trust plugging that into my phone. I don’t plug in suspicious USB devices to my phone, and that

⏹️ ▶️ Marco includes charging cables, for perceived security reasons. I’m not gonna do that.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco So, yeah, of course these can come with garbage. Throw out the accessories, use genuine Apple stuff,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco if you can, that’s much better. And the watch ban is like terrible imitation,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco support ban, I just put on a real one. But anyway, with that exception, I was

⏹️ ▶️ Marco so surprised, the watch comes, it looks basically brand new. I saw there was

⏹️ ▶️ Marco one small scratch on the bottom, the ceramic piece, and that’s it. And everything

⏹️ ▶️ Marco else looks perfect. I’m like, this is amazing. So yeah, Series 6, 250 bucks for Adam. And

⏹️ ▶️ Marco then, and the funny thing was, it arrived on Monday

⏹️ ▶️ Marco when the new OSes were being released. So I’m like, all right, I have to get this thing set up, get his old one

⏹️ ▶️ Marco transferred over to me before it updates to watchOS 9. I do the

⏹️ ▶️ Marco process of, I try to move his watch over, and it gives me that arrogance about it not having finished pairing. And I ended up having to

⏹️ ▶️ Marco reset it, like completely, like to just totally unpair it and just, you know, copy the stuff off and put it all

⏹️ ▶️ Marco back on. I later found out it’s running watchOS 7. And I’m like, oh no,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco it never updated. The whole past year,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John it was

⏹️ ▶️ Marco in this weird state. It never updated. So now I have to perform a software update

⏹️ ▶️ Marco on watchOS 9 release day and try not to get watchOS 9.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Oh my goodness.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco So my trick to do this was I paired it to my

⏹️ ▶️ Marco iPhone 7, which cannot run iOS 16. And

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, Casey therefore

⏹️ ▶️ Marco will never offer watchOS 9 to its paired watch. So

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I have now an iPhone 7, my jet black trusty iPhone 7, running my baseline of iOS 15, watchOS 8

⏹️ ▶️ Marco on an Adams old SE. He’s loving the series six. And

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I’m really happy that I didn’t pay more money for the newest version of this watch that is actually

⏹️ ▶️ Marco worse in this critical way of the always on screen. And so, yeah, that’s

⏹️ ▶️ Marco my watch

⏹️ ▶️ John story. This reminds me that both the process of getting a new watch and the process

⏹️ ▶️ John of getting a new phone have been extremely fraught for me for several years. Obviously,

⏹️ ▶️ John I don’t wear a watch, but if my wife gets new watches and I set them up, I don’t even know what Apple wants you to do.

⏹️ ▶️ John Like, I’ve ordered a new watch. It arrives in the house, here’s your new watch, it’s in a box, what’s the next move?

⏹️ ▶️ John No matter what we do, the answer is you are gonna be spending hours watching this thing do something,

⏹️ ▶️ John wondering if you’re doing the right thing, wondering if you’re losing all your data, wondering if you’re losing all your streaks. Who the hell knows?

⏹️ ▶️ John Like they’ve never rationalized that system of like, oh, just unpair it and when you unpair it, auto backs up and it’s like, what?

⏹️ ▶️ John That’s not, doesn’t make any sense. I’m sure they’ll fix that if you use it to the watch. Nope, they never did, it’s all nonsensical BS. Like

⏹️ ▶️ John I don’t, it doesn’t make sense to me and it often fails. And then the phone, we’ll see how this goes, because, you know, hey, this is eSIM

⏹️ ▶️ John year, but every time I get a new phone, I buy it from my previous phone, and it says,

⏹️ ▶️ John do you want to buy a phone to replace the phone that you’re looking at right now? And I always say yes, and then it comes, and I spend

⏹️ ▶️ John an hour and a half on the phone with Verizon on, you know, iPhone day, because like I take it out of the

⏹️ ▶️ John box, and I try to set it up, and something goes wrong, and it can’t get on the cell network, and nothing happens, and nothing works,

⏹️ ▶️ John and then I’m on the phone for an hour, and they do a bunch of things in urine, and they say, try it now, and then I try

⏹️ ▶️ John this, and try it now and then eventually it works. Sometimes I just give up and then like half an hour later in the day

⏹️ ▶️ John it just starts working. Sometimes I get it resolved in the phone. I’m hoping it doesn’t happen this year. Hoping I can get a new phone,

⏹️ ▶️ John take it out of its box, go through whatever procedure it wants me to go through and just have a new phone that,

⏹️ ▶️ John you know, like I’ll do the iCloud backup. Like I’m not trying to do iTunes backups anymore. I’m just like, I’ll take,

⏹️ ▶️ John show me the happy path, Apple. Just tell me what to do and I will do it. And by the end of hopefully

⏹️ ▶️ John a not particularly long process, I’ll have a phone that answers calls on my cell phone

⏹️ ▶️ John number and that my old phone, like for example, to give you an example of a thing I never know how to do when I talk to Verizon,

⏹️ ▶️ John like, oh, you should have known to do this. It’s like, should I like shut down my previous phone before

⏹️ ▶️ John the new one arrives in my house? Or should I not do that? I don’t know. I don’t know what I’m supposed

⏹️ ▶️ John to do, but sometimes they say, oh yeah, no, cause your other one’s still on the number and so it’s all on a cell network, so it’s never going

⏹️ ▶️ John to transfer to your new one and blah, blah, blah. And this is where Casey says, why don’t you just take the SIM card out and put it in the other thing. well,

⏹️ ▶️ John it was 5G and you came with a new SIM card. Or it was like, I never know what to do. It’s too complicated.

⏹️ ▶️ John It shouldn’t be this complicated. I’m hoping eSIM will make it easier. In fact, I’m kind of excited about eSIM because I’ve been watching

⏹️ ▶️ John more people’s reviews with the eSIM thing of like, you know, yeah, you don’t have a little card and you don’t have a little door

⏹️ ▶️ John and you don’t have to use a little pin. But also you can fit up to eight identities on the eSIM

⏹️ ▶️ John thing. So if you wanted, you can just like, again, if you’re in a country with carriers that support it, blah, blah,

⏹️ ▶️ John blah. But you could, for example, sign up for a T-Mobile thing and just add that to your

⏹️ ▶️ John existing phone. You can do that up to eight times and have eight different cell things that you’re rotating between and just find the one that

⏹️ ▶️ John has the best signal in your location or whatever. Obviously there’s contracts and all sorts of other crap that confuses

⏹️ ▶️ John this, but I like the idea of being divorced from the physical reality. But one

⏹️ ▶️ John of the realities is that my existing phone that’s sitting with me right now

⏹️ ▶️ John currently is on the cell network and is answering at my telephone number. And at some point during the process

⏹️ ▶️ John of the setup of my new phone, that needs to switch to my new phone. And I don’t,

⏹️ ▶️ John apparently, every two years, I prove that I have no idea how to do that.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Yeah, I’m very curious to see how the eSIM dance goes. And I don’t think we talked about it on the show, but

⏹️ ▶️ Casey last week I decided I’d like to get ahead of this, please, so I went through

⏹️ ▶️ Casey and figured out how to change my 13 Pro from physical SIM to

⏹️ ▶️ Casey eSIM. And I figured it out, and it was fairly straightforward on Verizon. I’ve heard other people say that perhaps

⏹️ ▶️ Casey for Verizon, perhaps for other carriers, there is sometimes a button in settings that literally says,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey I don’t remember the words they use, but basically convert this physical SIM to an eSIM by way of magic.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey And I’ve heard people say that it actually works, but one of the things I was very curious to read on these reviews, and I’ve

⏹️ ▶️ Casey read a handful today, and everyone seems to think that, yeah, as part of the setup

⏹️ ▶️ Casey process, it will generally speaking, just convert your old SIM to an eSIM. And I was very curious to see how that

⏹️ ▶️ Casey goes. And I haven’t seen any review where they said, oh, it was a complete

⏹️ ▶️ Casey death march, and it didn’t work, and everything broke, and so on and so forth. So we’ll see. In

⏹️ ▶️ Casey the name of science, I have not converted Aaron’s phone to an eSIM yet. So I will get both of these

⏹️ ▶️ Casey experiences. I will get one where I’m going eSIM to eSIM, and I will get one where I’m going SIM

⏹️ ▶️ Casey to eSIM. And I’m very curious to see what happens. That being said, if somebody

⏹️ ▶️ Casey has written the definitive guide to how to do an upgrade

⏹️ ▶️ Casey of a phone and a watch. Cause I agree with you, John, like I’m going on many year old, year old

⏹️ ▶️ Casey information, which I didn’t really consider until recently, but my, my information was,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey you know, you unpair your watch, which you had mentioned, you unpair your watch and then you, you know, set up the new watch and during the

⏹️ ▶️ Casey setup process, it says, do you want to take over from this backup? And then you say yes. And that’s that. Um, that’s

⏹️ ▶️ Casey how I did the watch. And the many, many year old information I had for the phone

⏹️ ▶️ Casey was doing iTunes now finder encrypted backup, which isn’t necessarily

⏹️ ▶️ Casey getting any more data, I don’t think, than recent iCloud backups. But

⏹️ ▶️ Casey supposedly, a lot of things happen much quicker, except I’m not even sure that’s true anymore. So

⏹️ ▶️ Casey I’m not trying to advocate any of the things I’ve just said is the one true way. In fact, it’s quite the opposite.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Has somebody written up the one true way? And if so, please point me to it because I’d love to see it. This is what like Serenity Caldwell

⏹️ ▶️ Casey used to be great at before she got sucked into Apple.

⏹️ ▶️ John The problem is it changes every year

⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey a little

⏹️ ▶️ John bit. That’s also true. Right, so if you’re getting a day one phone, the article’s not gonna be ready on day one probably because they

⏹️ ▶️ John have to do the research to find out how it actually works. So yeah,

⏹️ ▶️ John and it depends on your carrier and it depends on, there’s like so many variables. Like I mean, it must

⏹️ ▶️ John go smoothly for most people. It’s just, I think I’ve just had a streak of bad luck and I’ve been trying

⏹️ ▶️ John to, you know, I got away from using the encrypted iTunes backups or anything, I’ll do the iCloud way and iCloud ways,

⏹️ ▶️ John Like I feel like the iCloud upgrade, that code path is still getting work done to it and the Finder

⏹️ ▶️ John slash iTunes one is like legacy. So I think it’s better to sort

⏹️ ▶️ John of leave that behind. And my experience for the 12 Pro is that once I actually got my cell number

⏹️ ▶️ John working on the thing, the whole rest of the process in terms of like waiting for apps to load and everything through iCloud, that

⏹️ ▶️ John was mostly fine. I went through all this, like, last time I did this part of

⏹️ ▶️ John the problem was like transferring the two-factor stuff, but now the Google app has an export feature,

⏹️ ▶️ John so that’s not a problem anymore. And plus I have this unfortunate, bitter, and vast experience of how to

⏹️ ▶️ John export and decode and re-import that information

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco into the Apple key chain stuff,

⏹️ ▶️ John yada, yada. So I feel like it could potentially go smoothly, but you know, we’ll

⏹️ ▶️ John see. Oh, and then you were very brave to, like I saw your article, like, oh, you have Verizon

⏹️ ▶️ John and you converted it to an eSIM. And I looked at the instructions, like, oh, maybe I should do that to make things easier. But then I looked at the calendar,

⏹️ ▶️ John I said, do I wanna do this the day before I’m supposed to be ordering my phone. Like

⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey who knows what will go wrong?

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco That whole thing where

⏹️ ▶️ John when you’re using the Apple Store app and it says, do you want to replace this phone? I didn’t want to do anything that could potentially

⏹️ ▶️ John confuse that process. So I just left it alone. Don’t touch it.

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco I

⏹️ ▶️ John am a physical SIM and I’m getting a phone with an eSIM. This must be a case they understand.

⏹️ ▶️ John My phone is not that old. It’s a 12 pro, I bought a 14 pro. This should just work, right Apple?

⏹️ ▶️ John Tune in next week. Yeah, exactly.

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⏹️ ▶️ Marco now.

Blue-blocker glasses

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Am I supposed to, so okay, back to the reading glasses thing for just one moment,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco am I supposed to get these blue blocking lenses for computers or is that BS?

⏹️ ▶️ Marco It’s BS. That’s what I thought, okay.

⏹️ ▶️ John You should consider getting the scratch coating though. And it doesn’t matter

⏹️ ▶️ John for you because your prescription is so low, but if your prescription ever gets bad where like the

⏹️ ▶️ John number is larger in absolute value than three, uh, consider

⏹️ ▶️ John getting high index because it makes the, like, it’s more expensive, but it makes the lenses thinner,

⏹️ ▶️ John um, for the same light bending ability. If you have really terrible vision like me and Casey, you have to get

⏹️ ▶️ John that. Otherwise your glasses will just be an inch thick and it’s just hilarious.

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco I didn’t get

⏹️ ▶️ John that once when I was a kid. I don’t remember. My parents would buy my glasses like, Whoa, what happened

⏹️ ▶️ John here? Cause they were like, like, you know, and also like the bigger your glasses are,

⏹️ ▶️ John like in terms of diameter, the thicker it’s going to be at the edges, right? Because it’s like a, you know, it’s like a curve cutout

⏹️ ▶️ John thing. So I got big glasses with non high index and they were just like, I don’t know, you could put stickers on the side

⏹️ ▶️ John of the lenses. They were so big. It

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco was like a wall

⏹️ ▶️ John of just fuzzy white. Uh, yeah. Uh, but no, that everyone, they keep pushing that, that blue

⏹️ ▶️ John blocking stuff. And you should hear that. Like, it sounded like you trying to sell the gold printer cables. Like they have a spiel that they give you

⏹️ ▶️ John filled with just total pseudo science. Like, you know, it’s like audiophile gear or whatever. It’s like,

⏹️ ▶️ John Oh yeah, no, the blue light that will really tire you out. You ever feel tired at the end of a day at work? Yeah, it’s the blue

⏹️ ▶️ John light. No, that’s not what it is.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco One of the symptoms that I was, that I figured I should probably go to the eye doctor in addition to my minimum focus distance being

⏹️ ▶️ Marco reduced is that my eyes, like, they would often just feel tired, like,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco you know, in the daytime when they shouldn’t feel tired. And, you know, like, just like, you know, using my computer, I would,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco like, my eyes would feel tired. And that has never happened before. And so I thought, you know, I brought that up. and so

⏹️ ▶️ Marco the optometrist recommended this stuff. But I’m like, I’m

⏹️ ▶️ Marco curious how something that, so how is it even meant to work? Because the

⏹️ ▶️ Marco blue blocking, allegedly quote, quote blue, quote blocking, quote glasses,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco they’re clear. And I asked, does it cause a color cast, the thing you’re telling

⏹️ ▶️ Marco me to do, and he said no. What is it

⏹️ ▶️ John filtering out? I think it’s just filtering very high wavelength stuff. I don’t know if it’s

⏹️ ▶️ John filtering UV, but maybe near UV, like whatever, like first of all, it’s not filtering that much of

⏹️ ▶️ John anything. Second, if you really want that, put a night shift on your computer so it looks like someone peed all over your screen.

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco Oh,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco stop. I tried that for a while, like not recently, but I remember, you know, a few years ago when it came out, I did that,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John and it was, yeah.

⏹️ ▶️ John A more plausible reason why your eyes are getting tired is part of the aging process is your

⏹️ ▶️ John squishy little eyeballs get stiffer, kind of like the interior of a 90s BMW, slowly getting hard,

⏹️ ▶️ John you know what I mean, crumbling, right? your eyeballs get stiffer and that means it is harder to change the shape

⏹️ ▶️ John of your eyeball to change your focal distance. Uh, that means the muscles that do that have to work harder. And

⏹️ ▶️ John so for a day of like your eyes going, Oh, I got to squish this old 40 year old eyeball to focus on

⏹️ ▶️ John this screen. I’ve been doing it all day long. Boy, my eyes feel tired. That’s my, I’m not an

⏹️ ▶️ John eye doctor. This is my vaguely plausible theory that makes more sense than blue light makes you tired.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Like, you know, because the doctor told me I should probably get them. I’m like, all right, let me look into this. but I just, I can’t find

⏹️ ▶️ Marco anything that supports that, you know, at all. And it doesn’t make sense to me scientifically. It’s like, well,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco if you’re filtering out stuff that is like outside of the visible spectrum.

⏹️ ▶️ John I don’t think it’s entirely outside of it. Like, there was one study that was like, oh,

⏹️ ▶️ John blue light, if you look at blue light right before bed, you have trouble falling asleep, and there’s lots of people who have tried to reproduce that

⏹️ ▶️ John one, and it’s like, yeah, but if only it’s like a really hyper blue light staring right in the, there’s a whole, you probably think, oh, don’t look

⏹️ ▶️ John at your phone before you go to bed, you’ll have trouble falling

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco asleep.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco We

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John talked

⏹️ ▶️ Marco about it,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John we

⏹️ ▶️ Marco talked about it on the show, like when Night Shift was introduced.

⏹️ ▶️ John Right, but it’s like, I mean, if it works for you, fine, but I don’t think anyone has had any

⏹️ ▶️ John sort of reproducible scientific basis with a measurable effect for anything having to do with

⏹️ ▶️ John this. And certainly those lens things, like you said, like unless it’s making everything look like Night Shift, how

⏹️ ▶️ John much blue is it actually blocking?

⏹️ ▶️ Marco That’s the thing, yeah, because it’s like, and I believe where we landed on the science of that back when

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Night Shift came out, you know, we did it, like you were saying earlier, we did an episode about it, And then people wrote in who knew

⏹️ ▶️ Marco way more than we did about it. And we did some follow up. And really what it came down to was

⏹️ ▶️ Marco there was no scientific consensus that supported this being a thing, but it was a preference. And if you happen to prefer

⏹️ ▶️ Marco the way it looks, go ahead, knock yourself out. But there wasn’t a lot of science behind it. But again, it’s just

⏹️ ▶️ Marco who cares if that’s what you like, right?

⏹️ ▶️ John Yeah, I mean, there is scientific basis for light setting your circadian cycles. That has nothing to do with blue light

⏹️ ▶️ John in particular, but just like, hey, turn out the lights when you go to sleep, lights come up when you, I like

⏹️ ▶️ John to have those morning wake up light types things like circadian rhythm, human circadian rhythm being influenced by the

⏹️ ▶️ John how much light you get affected by is totally true, but that’s like, I mean, I guess

⏹️ ▶️ John don’t stare at your phone from two inches away until 2 a.m. and you know, then you’ll find yourself tired the next day, but

⏹️ ▶️ John that has less to do with blue light. Right,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco but also like, if you’re having trouble falling asleep because you just like doom scrolled Twitter for an hour before bed, like I think

⏹️ ▶️ Marco the problem is not the blue light.

⏹️ ▶️ John That could also be related, more than the blue light is the anxiety you’re building

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco up. Exactly,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco exactly. Yeah, I was just like, by what mechanism are the glasses

⏹️ ▶️ Marco that do not make a color cast in the visible image, by what mechanism are they supposed to be working? I

⏹️ ▶️ John don’t

⏹️ ▶️ Marco know. Is

⏹️ ▶️ John it like blue light just makes you more awake or something, or causes more eye strain? I don’t know.

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco But how can it

⏹️ ▶️ Marco be blocking light if it doesn’t shift the colors?

⏹️ ▶️ John I said, if you just block the very highest wavelengths,

⏹️ ▶️ John it maybe wouldn’t do a color shift. And the best part of these things, kind of like the scratch coating is, like any option on a

⏹️ ▶️ John car, whatever it costs them, like the 0.001 cent it costs them to put that coating on the glasses,

⏹️ ▶️ John it’s like 50 bucks. Yeah, oh

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John yeah.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco It’s pure profit.

⏹️ ▶️ John Because that’s what you do, like especially if you have, you know, my prescription or like, well, Casey’s saying you can’t even wear glasses, but

⏹️ ▶️ John like you start off with the base price of the glasses, which is already ridiculous, but of course you want the high index, so that’s like $150,

⏹️ ▶️ John but of course you want the scratch coatings, that’s another extra $50, and it’s like buying an iPhone, that you thought you’re buying a thing for X amount,

⏹️ ▶️ John then you look at the final price, like what happened here?

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Yep, yep. Oh, it’s so true. Remember both my kids, uh, have glasses

⏹️ ▶️ Casey and it’s the same story. Like, and I, I looked at doing one of it’s wasn’t Warby

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Parker because last I looked, they don’t make kids’ glasses, but I looked at doing some like online only, uh, vendor.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey And it ends up that, yeah, the most basic glasses that look not too different

⏹️ ▶️ Casey than the ones the kids already have are like a hundred bucks. Great. But then you add the anti-reflective coating

⏹️ ▶️ Casey or whatever it is, and then you add the scratch proof, and then you add the transitions because they’re not about to wear sunglasses.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey And so, you know, you add, you add, you add, you add, you add, and suddenly this $100 pair of sunglasses is

⏹️ ▶️ Casey like 50 bucks cheaper at best than the $500 pair we can get from the

⏹️ ▶️ Casey eye doctor, you know, or whatever the case may be. Like it’s just bananas. It’s like buying a Porsche every year for each

⏹️ ▶️ Casey kid.

⏹️ ▶️ John Yeah. And like, Mark, you haven’t actually looked at the prices. $500 for a pair of glasses is

⏹️ ▶️ John not ridiculous.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah. Fortunately, you know, since I’m still in reader territory, I don’t think I’m going to

⏹️ ▶️ Marco be near that.

⏹️ ▶️ John See how much that you find a pair of frames that you’re like, oh, I like this little bent piece of metal. How much is this little bent piece of metal? Oh, that’s $350.

⏹️ ▶️ John Like what? I can make this out of a paperclip. It’s like it barely weighs anything.

⏹️ ▶️ John It is just it’s like, oh, yes, but it’s all it’s all about fashion.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey I will be the first to tell you I’ve never bought readers, but I would be very surprised if they are,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey you know, significantly cheaper than, quote unquote, regular eyeglasses.

⏹️ ▶️ John Yeah, because the frames you’re buying the frame. You find frames that you like and then they’ll put whatever lenses you want inside those frames.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah, I mean, yeah, and you know, I’m sure I can get, you know, really nice frames and they could put, you know,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco something with almost no adjustment in it and it’d

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John be fine,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco you know, but anyway, I don’t know. I’ll dive into this world as much as I need to and

⏹️ ▶️ Marco reluctantly accept the fact that I am old.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Oh, it’s true.