499: Living Is Pretty Important to Me08 Sep 2022
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⏹️ ▶️ Casey Hey everybody, it is still September. I know we have a lot to discuss, but it is still
⏹️ ▶️ Casey September. September is Childhood Cancer Awareness Month. And as
⏹️ ▶️ Casey always, or at least for the past several years, we here at ATP are working for,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey slash, with Relay to try to raise money to just defeat childhood cancer
⏹️ ▶️ Casey and our charity of choice is St. Jude Children’s Research Hospital. We’re gonna make this particular
⏹️ ▶️ Casey plug really quick because we have a lot to talk about and I would like to go to bed before 3 in the morning, but suffice to say
⏹️ ▶️ Casey a lot of us may have already spent some money today. In fact, I might have
⏹️ ▶️ Casey done that. We’ll talk about that at some point, I’m sure.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey But nevertheless, you might be spending a lot of money today. You might be doing it for something
⏹️ ▶️ Casey that you may not entirely need. If you have a couple extra dollars to send to St.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Jude’s Way, I would strongly recommend it. So go to stjude.org slash atp, stjude.org
⏹️ ▶️ Casey slash ATP. And please donate a few bucks. It can be five, it can be one, it can
⏹️ ▶️ Casey be 500, 5,000. Hell, if you have $5 million laying around that you want to give to St. Jude, all the more
⏹️ ▶️ Casey to you. That’s awesome. And you will get all the stickers. I actually, breaking news,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey I have new stickers on the way. So I haven’t exactly decided what the threshold is to earn you a sticker
⏹️ ▶️ Casey yet because I just haven’t. But I guarantee that if you donate $5 million, I will
⏹️ ▶️ Casey give you $170-whatever dollars worth of stickers that are heading my way, so you can have
⏹️ ▶️ Casey all the ATP stickers you’d ever want. I think it was like 500 stickers. But anyway, if you donate less than $5 million,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey then we’ll have to see. But I strongly encourage you, please and thank you, to donate
⏹️ ▶️ Casey to St. Jude at stjude.org.atp. It is a very, very worthy
⏹️ ▶️ Casey cause. We have thrown our time, our energy, and our money behind it. we
⏹️ ▶️ Casey were doing something special, the three of us together, and we decided, okay, let’s go ahead and do the donations, which was very kind
⏹️ ▶️ Casey of my two co-hosts, because typically those jerks decide to do it when I’m in the midst of recording another
⏹️ ▶️ Casey podcast or generally not in the right headspace for filling out a very simple online form,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey which by the way does take Apple Pay, so no excuses, everyone. Stjude.org.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Anyway, we were filling this out, and I was filling it out, and then I realized I needed to correct something, and
⏹️ ▶️ Casey I went back. And as we’re filling this out, I’m laughing with Marco and John, saying, oh, what are we going to do to make like
⏹️ ▶️ Casey something funny this year? Because there was the asterisk year, that was two years
⏹️ ▶️ Casey ago I think, and then last year there was something funny with me donating a little bit more than everyone or something like that. I forget,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey I’ve already lost track, but it doesn’t matter. There’s always something goofy that happens every single year. And we couldn’t
⏹️ ▶️ Casey come up with anything deliberate to happen. So Marco happened to fill out his donation first,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey and we agreed that we were all going to donate $7,000 apiece, as we spoke about last episode, so for a sum total of $21,000.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey And Marco filled his out on behalf of him and Tiff, and you had donated what, $7,002, is that right? Something like that,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Because I was like, I’m gonna beat those guys, because I’m like, someone’s gonna be
⏹️ ▶️ Marco a smart ass and give $7,001. So I’m gonna do $7,002.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Right, I’m going to out smart ass these smart asses. And so Marco almost succeeded
⏹️ ▶️ Casey in that, but because I accidentally had to go back and fix something,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey, John I thought to myself, oh, okay.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Accidentally, mm-hmm. Let’s go with that. use that as the story. So I decided to
⏹️ ▶️ Casey go back and fix whatever mistake I may or may not have made and then, oh, I will open a private window
⏹️ ▶️ Casey and I will refresh stjude.org slash atp, s-d-j-u-d-e dot org slash
⏹️ ▶️ Casey atp, and oh, lo and behold, Tiff and Marco Armin $7,002. Well, ha ha! I will donate $7,003 because I’m a big
⏹️ ▶️ John from this part of the story, you can learn that Casey is a cheater because the sort of unwritten
⏹️ ▶️ John agreement here is we were all going to donate, and it was kind of like a game of chicken. We agreed on how much we were gonna donate,
⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco but we also know and
⏹️ ▶️ John had discussed in the previous show, like, ah, but sometimes someone gives a little bit more to try to be the top one. So the whole
⏹️ ▶️ John point was, let’s all do it at the same time, and let’s not look at what the other people donate,
⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey because that’s cheating. That was unsaid, that was unsaid.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey It was an unstated gentleman’s agreement, and I’m not a gentleman, so I didn’t agree. So anyway,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey so I donate my $7,003, But in the time between Tiff and Marco
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Armin’s $7,002 and Casey Neirinlis’ $7,003, some turd decides to swoop in
⏹️ ▶️ Casey and donate $7,007 and ruin everything. So John Syracuse, you are, as we record right now,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey the leader, the champion at $7,007.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Well done, you insufferable pain in my bottom.
⏹️ ▶️ John Johnny, I would love it. Look at the symmetry. Plus, it’s got 007 in there as well. I don’t know how you can resist
⏹️ ▶️ John that. And so Marco and I played correctly. You cheated
⏹️ ▶️ John lost anyway. So you are double lost this time. Better luck next year. Yep.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey enough. But is it really a loss if we’re just donating money to stjude.org
⏹️ ▶️ Casey slash atp? If we’re donating money to try to end childhood cancer, I
⏹️ ▶️ Casey think it’s a win for everyone.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Everyone wins except Casey.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Everyone wins except me, apparently. So yeah, please go and donate. I will say that,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey at least for now, if you donate more than a one Mr. John Syracuse and you send me your receipt and
⏹️ ▶️ Casey call it to my attention by some mechanism, I will give you, I will send you at least one ATP sticker
⏹️ ▶️ Casey anywhere that the United States Postal Service will deliver, and that includes many, many, many countries.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey So please reach out if you want to donate more than $7,007. You can have the
⏹️ ▶️ Casey lamest and most expensive sticker in the world if you so choose. So reach out if you
⏹️ ▶️ Casey so desire. But please, let’s work with Relay and let’s do what we can to raise money to and childhood
⏹️ ▶️ Casey cancer, please and thank you.
Apple Watch Series 8
⏹️ ▶️ Casey All right, big day. Big day. This is a long one.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey I didn’t even catch the run time, but it was long.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah, and I think it was deserved. At no point did I feel like it was dragging.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Towards the end there, I’m not so sure I agree with
⏹️ ▶️ Casey, Marco you. Well, okay,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco but for the most part, I give them a lot of credit for that. There were no boring services
⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John That’s true.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco No retail update. We haven’t had one of those in a long time, actually, probably because this is not a great time for retail in general.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco But yeah, like, you know, there was no like big push for TV plus or fitness plus or anything like
⏹️ ▶️ Marco that. Like they didn’t even mention most of those
⏹️ ▶️ John They should have given us an update on their union busting. Oh, we’re getting
⏹️ ▶️ John saucy. How are we trying to convince our retail employees not to unionize? Let’s just give you a little update
⏹️ ▶️ John on that. See how it’s going for us.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Yeah, let’s do that. Well, John is saucy today. I’m here for it. This is gonna be a fun episode. So yeah,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey so I do agree with you there. there was the stuff about the scuba diving that was actually kind of interesting,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey so I’ll give it a pass, but there was not like the five to 10 minute game demo that none of the three of us anyway
⏹️ ▶️ Casey really care about. It was mostly relatively tight. By the end, I was like, okay, I’m
⏹️ ▶️ Casey gonna need a hunk of cheese at the end of this maze, but nevertheless, for the most part, it wasn’t too bad. And we started off,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey for all intents and purposes, with the Apple Watch and Jeff Williams introducing the Apple Watch Series 8.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey And this was done by Dierdre Kaldbeck, if I’m not mistaken. And this looks good.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey I am a every two years on the watch kind of fellow. And so I’m on an Apple Watch Series 6.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey I have little teeny tiny wrist. So I have a 40 or 41 millimeter, whatever it is,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey the smaller of the Apple Watch Series 6s. And so I will be getting a Apple Watch Series 8.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey I did already order one for me and one for Aaron. I’m cutting right to the chase here. And
⏹️ ▶️ Casey I waited all of like 15 minutes and I’m already in the first full week
⏹️ ▶️ Casey after the actual launch. because there’s coming out, what, a week from Friday, I believe, and I’m
⏹️ ▶️ Casey due after that, which is a little bit of a bummer, but you know, what are you gonna do? I’m getting ahead of myself.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey I’m putting myself over my skis. So Apple Watch Series 8, there’s a new temperature sensor, and they went
⏹️ ▶️ Casey into a pretty long, and I thought really great segment about their,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey to use their own words, commitment to women’s health. And they were talking, this was Dr. Desai, I believe, was
⏹️ ▶️ Casey talking a lot about menstrual cycle tracking. As someone who has
⏹️ ▶️ Casey gone through some infertility problems, I can tell you that a lot of treatment
⏹️ ▶️ Casey for infertility starts with knowing when the woman is in
⏹️ ▶️ Casey a very fertile time of her cycle. And you do that typically by
⏹️ ▶️ Casey using a very special thermometer. Well, maybe not very special, but a special thermometer that is a little bit more accurate. And you basically
⏹️ ▶️ Casey keep a pen and paper log. And I’m sure there’s apps for that now, or maybe there even were when we were going through this. But
⏹️ ▶️ Casey that’s what it boils down to. You wake up every morning, you take your temperature, and then you write it down, and then you discuss with
⏹️ ▶️ Casey your family doctor, your fertility doctor, or what have you. And now they’re saying that there are a couple
⏹️ ▶️ Casey of temperature sensors in the watch that will basically automate this to some degree
⏹️ ▶️ Casey for you. And I am so excited by, I mean, Aaron and I, as far as we know, we’re
⏹️ ▶️ Casey done having children, but nevertheless, I am so excited that this is a thing and that they spent time
⏹️ ▶️ Casey on it, and that this is important to Apple. And I really dig this
⏹️ ▶️ Casey as someone for whom this was a very big deal for a couple of years of our lives.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey This is super cool, and I’m really, really stoked about it. And I’m glad they spent the time on it and didn’t just
⏹️ ▶️ Casey hand wave it away and say, oh, yeah, if you’re having problems, maybe this will
⏹️ ▶️ John help. Yeah, this is probably something that most people who have not ever tried to get pregnant don’t know about. But we didn’t have any fertility problems,
⏹️ ▶️ John so we did this too. That’s just, again, we were doing it in the days before there were probably any apps. It was just taking your
⏹️ ▶️ John temperature with a little temperature when you wake up writing it down. That’s the thing that you do.
⏹️ ▶️ John I thought they were pretty good with the they made some they made some attempts
⏹️ ▶️ John to be inclusive with this when they talked about you know, like
⏹️ ▶️ John the the tracking features are useful for that. I think they said something like people who ovulate right because some
⏹️ ▶️ John women don’t ovulate so it’s you know, you know, the postmenopausal or whatever. They wanted to sort of like be
⏹️ ▶️ John accurate with their language. Um, but they, you know, they did one of the,
⏹️ ▶️ John I didn’t write down what they said, but they, they basically were only talking about
⏹️ ▶️ John women and women aren’t the only people who ovulate. And you would think that Apple for all their inclusion
⏹️ ▶️ John and diversity, you know, efforts and everything would be able to use more precise language in their presentation.
⏹️ ▶️ John It’s something that most people don’t notice unless you happen to be someone who is watching this, who is not a woman who ovulates and you’re like, Oh, I guess I’m
⏹️ ▶️ John excluded from this. Right. Not great, but you know, maybe they’ll, maybe they’ll do better next year.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco One thing I thought was was kind of like a side side little like smile. I got
⏹️ ▶️ Marco was to see that you know we’ve heard for a little while now in the rumor mill that this
⏹️ ▶️ Marco next generation of Apple Watch was going to have a a thermometer of some sort and we also heard that you know
⏹️ ▶️ Marco they were doing things to like you know that you know you can’t really measure necessarily accurately like exactly
⏹️ ▶️ Marco what your temperature is but you could at least measure deltas and patterns over time and which is exactly what they’re doing
⏹️ ▶️ Marco and none of the rumors as far as I can recall mentioned this use case
⏹️ ▶️ Marco of like ovulation tracking and cycle deviation tracking. None of them as far as I know mentioned
⏹️ ▶️ Marco this. Everyone’s like, oh, maybe they could use it for like, you know, fever detection or health or, you know, like, you know, viral infection
⏹️ ▶️ Marco detection stuff like that. And I think that kind of shows like quite how young and male most of
⏹️ ▶️ Marco the rumor reporting I think is.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John Yeah. Like, why
⏹️ ▶️ John else would you ever take your temperature? Doesn’t make any sense.
⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco Right? Yeah.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Like No one had, no one even considered this as an
⏹️ ▶️ John some people are pointing out in the chat room, again, this is one of the disadvantages of doing our show the day of
⏹️ ▶️ John the keynote, because like, for people who don’t know way back when, we intentionally chose Wednesday
⏹️ ▶️ John as the day we would record the show, like, you know, seven or eight years ago when we started it, because most Apple keynotes are on Tuesday,
⏹️ ▶️ John and we wanted to be soon after the keynote, but give us time to digest it, but Labor Day kind of messed it up this year. So we’re recording
⏹️ ▶️ John the day of the keynote, and one of the things of the many that I don’t know, because I haven’t had time to
⏹️ ▶️ John get the precise thing is, does the temperature sensor have any means to give you an
⏹️ ▶️ John absolute temperature value at any point? Does it give you a summary at the end of the day?
⏹️ ▶️ John Does it, can you tell it, hey, take my temperature right now? Or is it just, you know, cause they showed the isolation
⏹️ ▶️ John thing, which is like deviations from baseline. It looked like it was a graph with the Y axis that was giving absolute values, but
⏹️ ▶️ John they didn’t really lean on the whole, you know, can I use this,
⏹️ ▶️ John like the heart rate sensor? You can do the, what do you call it, the EKG thing. You can do that at any time. You can trigger it and say, it’s gonna run now
⏹️ ▶️ John and then I’m gonna look at the result. Can you do that with a temperature sensor?
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I mean, it may be seen like whether there’s an API for third-party apps to do it, but Apple, the only feature they advertised
⏹️ ▶️ Marco was the retrospective ovulation notifications and the possible cycle deviation notifications.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco That’s it. And I’m guessing, you know, they probably don’t want to build
⏹️ ▶️ Marco this as something that it’s not gonna be very good at. And so if they really don’t have, you know, very precise
⏹️ ▶️ Marco temperature readings or, you know, absolute readings and they’re really only doing relative stuff, it would
⏹️ ▶️ Marco make sense for them to keep it pretty low key. And those are the only features they mentioned using it. And so I think if
⏹️ ▶️ Marco it could be used for anything else, they probably would have said so.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Yeah, and I’m looking at a screenshot that they had in the video and it shows wrist temperature,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey you know, average is plus 0.26 degrees Fahrenheit from baseline and the chart, it does have a
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Y axis, but the center of it is baseline.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey, John the first thing is
⏹️ ▶️ Casey plus two, then plus four degrees Fahrenheit. So there is some modicum
⏹️ ▶️ Casey of absolute, well, it’s not absolute measurement, it’s relative measurement, and they get absolute on what that relative
⏹️ ▶️ Casey measured difference is, if that makes sense. So it’s plus two degrees off the baseline, but they are not specific about
⏹️ ▶️ Casey what the baseline is.
⏹️ ▶️ John Yeah, I do wonder if they just literally can’t get an absolute value, because as we discussed last week, when you take
⏹️ ▶️ John a temperature with a thermometer, it can go, you know, there are certain places in your body that are better than others, mouth pretty good,
⏹️ ▶️ John butt for babies pretty good, Armpit, forehead, maybe wrist is
⏹️ ▶️ John probably not anywhere on that list. So maybe the readings they get off people’s wrists are just off by some unknown
⏹️ ▶️ John delta from the actual body temperature. And they don’t know what that delta is for each individual person, depending
⏹️ ▶️ John on their body composition and everything. So they just have to basically say baseline relative. The absolute values
⏹️ ▶️ John may be nonsense. The absolute values may be like 78 degrees or something, like that doesn’t relate to 98.6 or whatever.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco think it’s also worth noting that it says kind of all over the UI that, and they mentioned it in
⏹️ ▶️ Marco the presentation, this might require you to wear the watch to sleep to actually get an accurate measurement
⏹️ ▶️ Marco because it says it measures it during sleep.
⏹️ ▶️ John The other feature related to cycle tracking that they emphasized in the typical Apple way of not
⏹️ ▶️ John wanting to- Ruffle feathers.
⏹️ ▶️ John wanting to go directly head on to address the issue, but to sort of, if you know,
⏹️ ▶️ John you know, basically saying, hey, and just by the way, now that we’re doing all this thing where we can do like, you know, cycle tracking
⏹️ ▶️ John and find out when you’re ovulating and everything. That’s all end-to-end encrypted. And even
⏹️ ▶️ John Apple doesn’t have the encryption key to get it. So no one can even ask us to give you this information. It is secure,
⏹️ ▶️ John you own this data, Apple can’t get to it even if we want to. And you’d be like, okay, well, I guess,
⏹️ ▶️ John I mean, I guess that’s good. But really what they’re trying to say is, if you live in a state that doesn’t allow abortion
⏹️ ▶️ John and someone tries to subpoena records to find out if you were, you know, trying to get an abortion and they want to put
⏹️ ▶️ John you in jail or something, Apple will not give them the data because we literally can’t. Like that’s what they’re saying, but they’re not going to say
⏹️ ▶️ John they’re not going to, they’re not going to come right out and take that head on, but it was nice for them to spend some time emphasizing,
⏹️ ▶️ John you know, we don’t have your data, your data is yours and no one can make us give it to them.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah. And I, I was, I, that was, I mean, you know, they were basically hitting over the head with that for good reason.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Like that is something that is both, that is very important and that many people don’t
⏹️ ▶️ Marco know yet. And so this it’s, it’s good for them to like really hammer that home in the presentation. They
⏹️ ▶️ Marco clearly were doing it for that reason. And all of that is definitely worth applauding
⏹️ ▶️ Marco and screaming from the hilltops.
⏹️ ▶️ John Yeah. And they made an extra effort to say, like, for even for the tech savvy crowd, because the tech savvy crowd
⏹️ ▶️ John may know, oh, if you do iCloud backups, your messages are there and encrypted, right? Unencrypted.
⏹️ ▶️ John And so that’s how Apple can get subpoenas for iMessage stuff. They emphasize that even though we do iCloud syncing of your
⏹️ ▶️ John health data, we don’t have the key for it, which is I feel they still definitely need to fix that with messages.
⏹️ ▶️ John I’m not entirely sure why they haven’t yet. I know we’ve discussed this on past shows, but they emphasize that’s not the case
⏹️ ▶️ John with the health data.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Yep. They added a new feature for, or several new features for safety, but in particular,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey they emphasized car crash detection. This was Ron Wang. Two new motion sensors, a high G-force
⏹️ ▶️ Casey accelerometer, which apparently can handle or read up to 256 Gs. And
⏹️ ▶️ Casey maybe I misunderstood, but they said something about how it samples 3,000 times a second. That seems like it.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I believe, so there’s two different sensor changes. So the gyroscope, which is improved and
⏹️ ▶️ Marco samples four times as quickly as the old one. And then also there’s the high G-force
⏹️ ▶️ Marco accelerometer, which is different than, it basically measures, you know, larger
⏹️ ▶️ Marco magnitudes of change than the old one could. So the combination of these two things is what allows them to
⏹️ ▶️ Marco still be super precise about, you know, small movements as you need to be with various iOS and watchOS
⏹️ ▶️ Marco features, but also be able to properly measure the huge impact
⏹️ ▶️ Marco of something like a car crash that before it might’ve been, the sensor might not have been precise
⏹️ ▶️ Marco enough or sample quickly enough, or the equivalent of dynamic range of like
⏹️ ▶️ Marco what’s the smallest and largest force this can measure, that range was probably too small
⏹️ ▶️ Marco before to measure something like a car crash accurately. So now they’ve improved both of these sensors in both
⏹️ ▶️ Marco the Series 8 Watches, and they later mentioned it’s also as part of the iPhone 14 series, has the exact same sensors
⏹️ ▶️ Marco with the exact same feature of this car crash detection.
⏹️ ▶️ John Yeah, and although, so this is kind of like the audiophile lossless audio thing and all that.
⏹️ ▶️ John It’s great that it can go out in 256 Gs, but your body cannot. If you
⏹️ ▶️ John experience 100 Gs, you’re pretty much dead. Like, it’s not just,
⏹️ ▶️ John I feel with the human threshold for like, and you’re wondering like, what’s gonna kill you? It’s your brain smashing into the inside
⏹️ ▶️ John of your skull. That pretty much does it. And I think around 50 Gs is close to instant death. So
⏹️ ▶️ John they’ve got a lot of headroom on this. If your watch ever experiences 250 Gs, don’t worry about it,
⏹️ ▶️ John you’re dead. If you’re wearing it, you’re dead.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Right. So they also mentioned kind of off to the side, and then I think they either came back to
⏹️ ▶️ Casey it later, maybe they said it right away, but they said there’s also a barometer in the Apple Watch, which I believe is new.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey And they said, and I thought this was so clever and so cool, that the barometer is there in part at least
⏹️ ▶️ Casey to measure the shift in pressure that is consistent with an air pressure change from
⏹️ ▶️ Casey a deployed airbag. So the airbag goes off, Air pressure in the car changes, presumably, relatively dramatically,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey and the barometer in the watch will detect that, which I just think is so cool. I mean, obviously, I hope it never happens to me or anyone
⏹️ ▶️ Casey else, but it’s cool that they’ve thought of that, and that’s what they’re doing with it.
⏹️ ▶️ John Oh, and on the GeForce tracking front, one more thing. Maybe you can use 256Gs, because someone just
⏹️ ▶️ John pointed out in the chat room, okay, so your body might be dead if it experiences that, but what if your phone is not on your
⏹️ ▶️ John body, but is free-floating in the car, and it hits, like, the windshield or something
⏹️ ▶️ John that you hopefully don’t wanna hit, and you aren’t hitting it you’re hitting into the airbag or your seatbelt or whatever. I guess
⏹️ ▶️ John it’s possible that your phone could experience 256 G’s when it is not on your person.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah. And all this stuff like the, the car crash feature, you know, one, the theme that Apple kept
⏹️ ▶️ Marco hitting over and over again, especially with the watch and a little bit later with the phone, but the watch was like the number
⏹️ ▶️ Marco one theme was this thing could save your life someday like that. And that they kept harping
⏹️ ▶️ Marco on that. And that would be really annoying if it wasn’t True, like,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco but it actually it’s a reasonable thing to say, like the Apple watch has all these features. It has
⏹️ ▶️ Marco the fall detection. It has all the heart stuff, which is incredible. It has all this stuff for a reason
⏹️ ▶️ Marco that, you know, yes, it sells watches, but it also legitimately is
⏹️ ▶️ Marco doing really great things for people’s health, including having some pretty amazing emergency response stuff
⏹️ ▶️ Marco and and between, you know, we’ll get to the satellite stuff later with the phone. but like, you know, they really are harping on this
⏹️ ▶️ Marco for good reason that these are major selling features. And this is the kind of thing, you know, you might
⏹️ ▶️ Marco want it for yourself. Even if you don’t care, you might want to buy it for someone else in your family. I mean, you know, maybe a
⏹️ ▶️ Marco kid or an older relative or a spouse or anybody who you might be like, you know, worried about, you
⏹️ ▶️ Marco know, not, you know, needing emergency services sometime or possibly falling or possibly having a heart problem.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco So they really made this case hard, but I actually think it was totally
⏹️ ▶️ Marco deserved. That there’s a lot of really good reasons to wear an Apple Watch now,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco and every year they add more and more reasons. This is why I wear one almost every
⏹️ ▶️ Marco day, even though you know how much I love standard watches, like regular mechanical fancy watches.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I love them so much, but the Apple Watch gives me so much utility,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco and including stuff like this that’s really hard to argue against like, yeah, do I want to be protected, you know, from
⏹️ ▶️ Marco a lot of these various hazards? Do I want to have one more health meter monitoring me for different things? Yeah,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco actually, I do, because living is pretty important to me. And I’m now, you know, now that I’m like officially middle aged,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco like this, all this stuff like this all matters. It matters a lot. And so this was
⏹️ ▶️ Marco a, you know, a very thickly spread theme of the show, but it was warranted.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco And I applaud all these efforts, because they They literally are saving lives. And you know, I
⏹️ ▶️ Marco will call out Apple for all their BS when it happens. This is not BS, this is real.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco They really do save people’s lives and meaningfully improve people’s health with these kind of features
⏹️ ▶️ Marco and products, and they deserve to be commended for that.
⏹️ ▶️ John I agree. Well, there is a line of taste to be walked here, though. Like, at the point where you have a child sitting
⏹️ ▶️ John in a reproduced half-fuselage of a plane,
⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey representing the
⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco plane that she crashed in,
⏹️ ▶️ John and describing how, reliving her crash on the thing, Like, I mean, I agree with
⏹️ ▶️ John what you said, like the safety features are important. And very often, like the conversation I have with people
⏹️ ▶️ John with Apple watches is trying to buy an Apple watch for an older person who might fall and trying to convince them
⏹️ ▶️ John to wear it and everything. Like those are real
⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco benefits. And
⏹️ ▶️ John charge it every day. Yeah, right. But yeah, I think there is, I
⏹️ ▶️ John think they might have,
⏹️ ▶️ John this is obviously a question of taste, right? And for me, I think they went over the line into a
⏹️ ▶️ John little bit too, I don’t know, Like it feels, it feels wrong to
⏹️ ▶️ John have these people reliving and dramatizing their traumatic experiences for
⏹️ ▶️ John the purpose of selling Apple watches. Even though, like you said, it is true. They watched it, saved them, and they agreed to be in these ads
⏹️ ▶️ John and stuff like that. It’s somewhat distasteful. So I feel like, you know, there is a line
⏹️ ▶️ John and you can decide whether they went over it for you. And maybe it’s super convincing to people to like, oh, remember that girl with the plane? We should get
⏹️ ▶️ John an Apple watch. But for me, it was like, eh, too far.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey The whole story about the dude falling in the trash compactor, That was something. I mean, I
⏹️ ▶️ Casey do mostly come down on the Marco side of this. Like, I hear you, John, and I agree with both of you. But
⏹️ ▶️ Casey if I had to pick one of you, I’d say I do agree with Marco that it’s important to show that the Apple Watch really can save
⏹️ ▶️ Casey you. But it is funny, especially watching Twitter as all this is happening, where basically everyone’s saying, well,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey if you don’t want to die, buy an Apple Watch. And this is going to come back even more when we talk
⏹️ ▶️ Casey about the new one, the new, new one. But anyway, I do think that this is important to talk about, and I do think
⏹️ ▶️ Casey it’s very cool. And I like that, you know, the Apple Watch seems to quite obviously
⏹️ ▶️ Casey be leaning really heavily into health and now safety. And I think that’s a pretty good way to
⏹️ ▶️ Casey position the Apple Watch because as the like triage center for your phone, which
⏹️ ▶️ Casey is one of the 17 ways they pitched it early on, I don’t know if that’s really that great and a use
⏹️ ▶️ Casey case for the Apple Watch, but to keep you safe and to keep you healthy, those are two strong, strong ways to do,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey to use an Apple Watch. And I’m, I’m, I’m there with it. I agree.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco But also though, I think the Apple Watch, if you look at what else has changed with the
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Series 8, it’s a pretty short list. As far as I can tell, the difference
⏹️ ▶️ Marco between the Series 7 and Series 8 are very, very minimal. You know,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco we don’t know yet, it does have a new letter on the CPU. It’s now, or
⏹️ ▶️ Marco a new number, it’s now the S8 up from the S7, but the S7 was basically
⏹️ ▶️ Marco the same as the S6 and I think even the S5. So we don’t know, you know, they didn’t talk about the
⏹️ ▶️ Marco S8, like at all, really. So we, they didn’t even mention it until they mentioned the SE.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Um, but it seems like the display seems unchanged
⏹️ ▶️ Marco from the series seven, which, you know, the series seven was a display upgrade. So that’s, you know, they don’t need to upgrade it every time, but, um,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco it seems like the rest of the changes for the series eight, with the exception of
⏹️ ▶️ Marco the temperature sensors for the, uh, ovulation and cycle health notifications.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco and the car crash detection, I think are the only changes to the Series 8 from the Series 7.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco And so I’m actually skipping this generation for the first time ever, because they got rid of my titanium,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco which I was just saying how awesome it was. Well,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco No, they got rid of it. Like, we’ll talk about the Ultra in a second, but that’s a very different product. The titanium
⏹️ ▶️ Marco is gone from the regular Apple Watch Series 8. They did fix the weird color
⏹️ ▶️ Marco thing they made, where in last year’s lineup, you
⏹️ ▶️ Marco couldn’t get silver aluminum. If you picked aluminum, which most
⏹️ ▶️ Marco people do, you had to pick either a color or that starlight, which is like a
⏹️ ▶️ Marco dishwater light gold kind of thing, like a slightly warm silver. This year they
⏹️ ▶️ Marco fixed that. Regular, normal colored silver with no tint to it is back
⏹️ ▶️ Marco in the aluminum lineup. But anyway, other than those two features,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco nothing else is really different, seemingly, about the Series 8. And so, I think they have to start leaning
⏹️ ▶️ Marco on all this other stuff, lean on features that are actually software features that many of them have,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco or start promoting other things you can do with your Apple Watch, just because
⏹️ ▶️ Marco the rate of change in the Apple Watch hardware has slowed dramatically. The Series 7 wasn’t that
⏹️ ▶️ Marco different from the Series 6, and now the Series 8 is not that different from the Series 7. And
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I think this is just, you know, this is a mature product, whatever it is, they’re not making major hardware
⏹️ ▶️ Marco gains recently and possibly anymore. So they have to start doing those, you
⏹️ ▶️ Marco know, more kind of incremental features. The low-hanging fruit’s all gone and we’re left with,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco you know, with higher-hanging fruit being occasionally picked as opposed to major year-over-year
⏹️ ▶️ Marco upgrades like we used to get.
⏹️ ▶️ John Well, the SoC question is a big one. Like, I even missed that it was, they even incremented the number. And we don’t know at this
⏹️ ▶️ John point, another disadvantage of recording day of, is the S8 different than the S7. We learned the
⏹️ ▶️ John S7 was basically the same as the S6. Maybe this is another year where they didn’t change anything,
⏹️ ▶️ John but they should change it eventually. The possible answer to why they haven’t is like, well, if
⏹️ ▶️ John they’re already fabbing it on the best process they have, why not, you know,
⏹️ ▶️ John the main thing the watch cares about is power consumption. So you’re not going to get a lot of gains on power consumption until
⏹️ ▶️ John the next process node. So why not wait to 3 nanometer, right? But I read, I don’t keep track
⏹️ ▶️ John of this, but I thought I read someone saying that the S7 was 7 nanometers, it’s not even 5 nanometers.
⏹️ ▶️ John And if that’s true, and if this one also is not 5 nanometers, that’s disappointing because
⏹️ ▶️ John that’s what you want out of each generation of watch. I don’t think it needs to be faster, you don’t need like
⏹️ ▶️ John more cores or more GPU cores, or I don’t need to benchmark the watch, like once it gets past, once it
⏹️ ▶️ John can do everything it needs to do, it’s fine. But what you care about is battery life. And stepping
⏹️ ▶️ John up or down depending on how you do it. You know, stepping to a better process node, a smaller process node,
⏹️ ▶️ John gives you power savings if you make the same chip on a smaller process. That’s what
⏹️ ▶️ John they should be doing whenever they can. And maybe whenever they can is only
⏹️ ▶️ John every three years because they use up all their good fab capacity on iPhones or something where obviously it’s much more important than the watch.
⏹️ ▶️ John And maybe there’s so many watches they just they can’t like, well, can’t you just do the watches on the good process too? It’s like, no, we don’t have
⏹️ ▶️ John that capacity or whatever. But it is kind of a shame. So So I think they need to continue
⏹️ ▶️ John to keep pace with the process advances, even if they never make a tremendously
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah, and again, like, you know, as a constant owner of these watches and a developer with an app
⏹️ ▶️ Marco against them, I’m okay on speed. We don’t really need more speed on the
⏹️ ▶️ Marco watch for most things. The biggest challenge to the watch software ecosystem,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco which impacts the users, is that we just aren’t allowed to
⏹️ ▶️ Marco use much computational time or resources. We have minimal background execution,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco very, very minimal background execution, almost none. We have very
⏹️ ▶️ Marco terrible data transfers because they try to send everything through the phone over Bluetooth
⏹️ ▶️ Marco instead of Wi-Fi because Bluetooth is cheaper battery-wise, but it’s much
⏹️ ▶️ Marco slower and less reliable, and that’s why it’s hard for podcast apps like mine to download episodes
⏹️ ▶️ Marco of The Watch, and why even Apple’s own music app fails oftentimes to download much
⏹️ ▶️ Marco to it before you go out for a run or something. The Watch, it needs
⏹️ ▶️ Marco more power headroom, not to become faster, but to become less
⏹️ ▶️ Marco incredibly aggressively stingy with the resources it already has. Like if apps
⏹️ ▶️ Marco are able to use Wi-Fi more often, or able to refresh in the background, or refresh our complications
⏹️ ▶️ Marco more often, that gives a much better experience on the watch, that broadens the software capabilities.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco That’s the kind of stuff we need. So I really, you know, we should be pushing the hardware forward and we’ll see, maybe
⏹️ ▶️ Marco the S8 has that, but they literally, unless I missed something, during the Series 8
⏹️ ▶️ Marco reveal, they didn’t mention the SoC at all. They only mentioned it in the Apple Watch SE2
⏹️ ▶️ Marco reveal, where they said it has the S8 SIP from the Series 8. And that’s the first
⏹️ ▶️ Marco time that was acknowledged at all. And as far as I can tell, they said nothing else about it.
Apple Watch SE (2nd gen)
⏹️ ▶️ John It doesn’t like the better GeForce sensor and accelerometer thing isn’t that also part of the SOC
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Maybe and so and because that’s why you know moving on I guess now to the Apple watch as the second generation
⏹️ ▶️ Marco This is finally what has killed the series 3. Thank God
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I’m so glad as a developer to know that as soon as I can require watch OS 9 I
⏹️ ▶️ Marco will have no more need for the old-style screen support for the old
⏹️ ▶️ Marco you know monochrome only complication situation the but that that tiny little 38
⏹️ ▶️ Marco millimeter screen that was on the old one oh god I’m so happy to be done with that not to mention the fact that the series 3 is
⏹️ ▶️ Marco very old and slow by today’s standards but anyway and it was ugly so thick and bulbous and
⏹️ ▶️ Marco that big red dot on the crown anyway the series 3 was a bad time that time has finally ended after much
⏹️ ▶️ Marco too long Apple watch se second generation now replaces it which I believe they made
⏹️ ▶️ Marco something like $50 cheaper to enter than the previous one
⏹️ ▶️ Casey gonna ask that But they kept saying it’s cheaper, it’s cheaper, it’s cheaper, but I couldn’t remember how
⏹️ ▶️ Marco It’s not… It’s $250. I think the old one was $280. Like, it’s not that much cheaper.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco, Casey Is that right? Okay.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco The Series 3 was $199. So I think they just got rid of that and just think, oh, well, you know, we’ll have this $50 more for
⏹️ ▶️ Marco a while, which is fine. Again, that’s the right trade-off. And they didn’t… We don’t
⏹️ ▶️ Marco learn too much about the Apple Watch SE2 yet, except that it does have the S8, same as
⏹️ ▶️ Marco the Series 8. It does have the car crash detection and some of the heart stuff. It does not
⏹️ ▶️ Marco have the EKG level of heart features, but it does have, I believe,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco all the other stuff. It has car crash, fall detection, and
⏹️ ▶️ Marco as far as I know, it probably doesn’t have the always on screen because they didn’t mention that.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco That would be still a differentiator. They also mentioned that the underside of it, like the
⏹️ ▶️ Marco back case of it, is now a quote nylon composite material, you know, reed
⏹️ ▶️ Marco plastic. That’s apologetically
⏹️ ▶️ Marco presumably again as a cost-saving measure so they don’t have to put like you know ceramic or you know steel or anything down there.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco So that’s you know more cost savings but again I think for you know this watch’s
⏹️ ▶️ Marco entire purpose is to hit a low price point and so to have a plastic back
⏹️ ▶️ Marco is totally fine and acceptable to hit that price point. That’s That’s
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I think a fair trade off. That being said, this is the model of watch, the SE
⏹️ ▶️ Marco that my kid wears, and I don’t see any reason to upgrade him necessarily because it seems like it’s
⏹️ ▶️ Marco not that much improved from the old SE. But we’ll see. Again, we do need to learn a lot more about whether the Series 8
⏹️ ▶️ Marco or whether the S8 is a big deal or not, but it probably isn’t.
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Apple Watch Ultra
⏹️ ▶️ Casey right, do you want to talk Apple Watch Ultra then?
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Let’s do it. Can you
⏹️ ▶️ John named it that? Two points make a line. This
⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco is the new trend. We went through the pro
⏹️ ▶️ John era and we got some Max’s mixed in, but now we’re in the era where the best
⏹️ ▶️ John qualifier for a product name and an Apple lineup is ultra, at least until the Mac Pro comes and
⏹️ ▶️ John is called something else. But yeah, this is, we got two ultras.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco And I was so disappointed too, because as Jeff Williams was attempting to show some personality which she’s not good at in the
⏹️ ▶️ Marco introduction of this and and can it does anybody look
⏹️ ▶️ Marco it’s pretty clear that Jeff Williams is the hot spare for Tim Cook if anything happens to him
⏹️ ▶️ Marco but like could you pick two more boring people to lead this company like really for God’s sakes they are
⏹️ ▶️ Marco so dull like that yeah
⏹️ ▶️ John it was pretty animated I think Tim I think it’s just there obviously it’s their personalities but I feel like Tim does a pretty good
⏹️ ▶️ John job of being animated in his stand up things where he talks to the camera. Jeff Williams is more measured,
⏹️ ▶️ John but I think that’s just his personality. I don’t hold it against him.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I think you gotta greet these people on a curve. Anyway, so as Jeff Williams was introducing,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco he kept using the word explore, and I’m like, man, I hope they should just call it the Apple Watch
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Explorer. That would be such a good name. And then he comes out with Apple Watch Ultra. I’m like, no!
⏹️ ▶️ John Ultra is better than explore. No,
⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco I mean, I don’t
⏹️ ▶️ John think it suits it exactly, but if this is the new trend in Ultra as being the
⏹️ ▶️ John best non-ridiculous, well, I don’t know if, it is non-ridiculous, the best non-ridiculous qualifier. So
⏹️ ▶️ John the Mac Pro thing, if it ever comes out, will be called something ridiculous, but nobody buys that. But for the products that people
⏹️ ▶️ John buy, Ultra is the best.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco But yeah, well, Ultra has other problems, like where they use it last time, where there was already a product
⏹️ ▶️ Marco called Max, which was no longer the maximum.
⏹️ ▶️ John Yeah, but you just gotta know the Apple speak, and Apple speak Max is pretty darn good, but Ultra is the best.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Anyway, so yeah, Apple Watch Ultra. This is where they put all the titanium.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco It’s too bad because this is not a product for me, but this is a product that,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco this category has existed for a while. I mentioned this last week that there’s this category
⏹️ ▶️ Marco of like high-end sport smartwatches. Garmin does very, very well in this category.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco They have a whole bunch that are around $1,000, like in that price range. And
⏹️ ▶️ Marco so like, you know, it makes sense that Apple should compete in this area because
⏹️ ▶️ Marco obviously the Apple Watch being a very like, you know, fitness and activity oriented product should
⏹️ ▶️ Marco compete better against these other ones that were basically serving a higher end version
⏹️ ▶️ Marco of that. And so far, like, you know, I have some friends who use these, you know, the big Garmin,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco you know, kind of a marathoner kind of watches. And the Apple Watch really didn’t compete well
⏹️ ▶️ Marco in that area. It didn’t have the ruggedness, it didn’t have the battery life, it didn’t have,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco and this is one area maybe, I don’t know if it does yet, but it didn’t have as precise of heart rate
⏹️ ▶️ Marco measurements as some of these other ones did. And they mentioned GPS, that’s actually
⏹️ ▶️ Marco very good too. But so this is a market that is proven to be a real market that
⏹️ ▶️ Marco is sizable and that Apple was not competing well in. And now they
⏹️ ▶️ Marco attacked it head on. And while this is not gonna be a product for everybody, It’s not supposed
⏹️ ▶️ Marco to be, you know, this is, this is like the, it’s like the cyber truck. It’s like, that’s a product for like a certain market
⏹️ ▶️ Marco that market exists. It’s not going to be everybody. Um, but that being said, so, so what they’ve
⏹️ ▶️ Marco done here, I was, first of all, I was very pleasantly surprised
⏹️ ▶️ Marco that it was only 800 bucks because compared to the other entrance in this market, that’s very good.
⏹️ ▶️ John That’s why I was saying where the ultra is not the Mac pro qualifier because they didn’t price this as a $2,000 watch
⏹️ ▶️ John or anything like that. They didn’t try to go for that super duper high end. It’s priced like
⏹️ ▶️ John a top end Apple Watch, but it’s suited for a different purpose. It is not in a totally different price
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Yeah. No, and I’m stunned by that. I fully expected this thing to be like 999, maybe even over $1,000. And I was very, very surprised
⏹️ ▶️ Casey that they kept it at 800 bucks, which is still a tremendous pile of money. Like, don’t get me wrong.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey It’s not that it’s cheap. It’s just that I expected Apple to take,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey and Apple always does, take every opportunity to be like, Oh, well, this is very fancy. So we’ve got, we’re going
⏹️ ▶️ Casey to have to charge you a lot of money. This is how this game is played. And they kind of didn’t, I’m really
⏹️ ▶️ Marco But I was thinking a thousand bucks for sure.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey But I mean, I don’t know, on in general, I’m mixed about the look of this. I don’t think it speaks
⏹️ ▶️ Casey to me personally. I could totally understand if, if you were more of a
⏹️ ▶️ Casey rugged human being than I am. If this would speak to you, God knows that, uh, this, this
⏹️ ▶️ Casey entire watch was built specifically for Underscore. I mean, I think this is made for him.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Personally, I don’t find the style that particularly appealing, although I will say the bands are super
⏹️ ▶️ Casey cool. Like, I really liked the orange one that had like the hook system. Maybe that would be terrible to use, but I thought it was a
⏹️ ▶️ Casey really clever idea and it looked cool
⏹️ ▶️ Marco me. Those are actually, I’ve used similar straps for regular watches that have that kind of hook on system. It
⏹️ ▶️ Marco works fine. It’s great. What I was, I was very pleased to see the way they design
⏹️ ▶️ Marco this product not because I think it’s attractive because frankly I don’t
⏹️ ▶️ Marco but because it is highly functional and serves the needs of its market I think so for
⏹️ ▶️ Marco, Casey I will put well for
⏹️ ▶️ Marco instance the you know that the the metal goes around the crystal the crystal is not
⏹️ ▶️ Marco set above the metal this is important for a number of reasons first of all there’s there’s some pressure dynamics
⏹️ ▶️ Marco that could be in play here for for deep diving but also like it just makes it more rugged if you’re not hitting
⏹️ ▶️ Marco the side of the crystal and you and what if on impact also having the flat crystal makes it easier
⏹️ ▶️ Marco if you want to put an additional case on top of it some kind of thing that wraps around it to protect
⏹️ ▶️ Marco it it’s much easier to put a screen protector on a flat surface than a curved one again like thoughtful
⏹️ ▶️ Marco design there the the giant crown guard around the digital crown looks terrible
⏹️ ▶️ Marco but it works there’s a reason why in the watch world tons of sport watches have had crown guards
⏹️ ▶️ Marco forever because in certain impacts if you like hit the watch on the side you could
⏹️ ▶️ Marco hit the crown and it could knock it right off or you could bend it or something and so those crown guards exist to protect
⏹️ ▶️ Marco the crown. There’s all sorts of that kind of thoughtfulness that goes into this. Even if you see on the underside of the
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Apple Watch Ultra there are screws that hold the back on.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco The reason why probably is because the other way to construct the Apple Watch which all the previous ones have done
⏹️ ▶️ Marco is to is to glue the bottom on and that is not super durable over long time
⏹️ ▶️ Marco or in extreme conditions. And so this bottom is screwed in. And that
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I guarantee you that was not the aesthetic choice that people would ideally make.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco But again, it’s a, they looked at the needs of the market and they said, Hey, you know, this market
⏹️ ▶️ Marco needs, you know, X, Y, Z features and has X, Y, Z priorities. And I can, I can, again, I can draw it right
⏹️ ▶️ Marco back to the new MacBook pros where the new MacBook pros are objectively less
⏹️ ▶️ Marco attractive in certain ways than the old ones, but they are better fit to their market
⏹️ ▶️ Marco and their market’s actual needs. That’s what this watch is. It is not meant to be
⏹️ ▶️ Marco a fashion statement for most people. Some people will wear it that way because they want to express certain things, but
⏹️ ▶️ Marco for the most part, this is a functional watch. And if you look at all the garments and everything that were in this market before,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco they’re all equally functional. Like, they’re not attractive things, but they serve
⏹️ ▶️ Marco purposes for people. And, and, you know, this is like, this is like the giant SUV
⏹️ ▶️ Marco of watches. Some people will buy it and never take it off road for a moment of its life, but the people who
⏹️ ▶️ Marco want it, this is what they want and this is what they need. And, and so it does seem like, you
⏹️ ▶️ Marco know, hardware alone, not even talking about the software features yet, but hardware alone, this is a watch designed
⏹️ ▶️ Marco for its users. And, and I really respect that.
⏹️ ▶️ John It’s kind of a shame they couldn’t make a smaller one. I mean, obviously one of the big selling points is it has longer battery life. They claim 36
⏹️ ▶️ John hours plus 60 hours in the low power mode that isn’t released yet. There are many
⏹️ ▶️ John features. This is the new Apple way. They do a presentation and you have to just keep track of all
⏹️ ▶️ John the features that you’re not gonna be able to use on day one. But anyway, 60 hour thing is coming later.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco And by the way, that was, they kind of ham-fistedly expressed this in a few different ways for the
⏹️ ▶️ Marco presentation. So they first said 60 hours with quote, a new battery optimization
⏹️ ▶️ Marco setting coming later this fall. They later mentioned a low power workout
⏹️ ▶️ Marco setting for long marathons, which I think is separate than that. And then they also
⏹️ ▶️ Marco have the feature called low power mode, which they announced during the Series 8,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco but actually does, actually works on all the watches from Series 4 forward. So
⏹️ ▶️ Marco there’s a few different things at play here. By the way, I love that they did low power mode, that’s fantastic. Because
⏹️ ▶️ Marco it, like, you know, the Apple Watch, as we’ve all probably seen at one time, it has an ultra low power mode,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco where if the battery goes below whatever, 5%, whatever it is, 10%, whatever it is, it goes into this state where it basically
⏹️ ▶️ Marco is only a clock and only when you tap it, and the OS isn’t even booted at that
⏹️ ▶️ Marco point. It’s in this special low power firmware kind of mode. Well, we
⏹️ ▶️ Marco now have something in between full functionality and that low power mode, which is great. We have
⏹️ ▶️ Marco it on the Mac, we have it on the phone for a while now. And so I was actually
⏹️ ▶️ Marco very pleased it still does most of what you need to watch to do. It still does the emergency
⏹️ ▶️ Marco stuff like fall detection, it still can do activity tracking, you know, steps and stuff like that. The only thing
⏹️ ▶️ Marco it disables is the always-on display, automatic workout detection, and probably
⏹️ ▶️ Marco some like background refresh kind of stuff. And that’s fine, that’s a great trade-off and I’m very glad
⏹️ ▶️ Marco they added low power mode. But yeah, so it seems like there’s low power mode and low power
⏹️ ▶️ Marco workout setting and the new battery optimization setting coming later this fall.
⏹️ ▶️ John Yeah, the 60 hours thing, I would imagine, is aiming for the minimum
⏹️ ▶️ John set of features in this ultra low power mode. This is sort of like a preemptive ultra low power mode, like you know you’re going on vacation.
⏹️ ▶️ John You’re going to be in the mountains for three days. Set it to the 60 hour mode. I imagine one of the things that’s going to
⏹️ ▶️ John make the list is GPS, like that it will basically be asleep all the time, but it’ll wake up at some
⏹️ ▶️ John decreased interval to say, oh, let me just check where you are, GPS, and then go back to sleep again. And I think GPS maybe wouldn’t
⏹️ ▶️ John make the list for the other ultra low power modes, but we’ll see. We don’t actually know what the 60 hour thing
⏹️ ▶️ John is. We’ll just promise. But all this is to say that like, since battery life is such an important
⏹️ ▶️ John part of this watch, it makes sense that it’s humongous, right? It makes sense that it’s humongous from a fashion sense too,
⏹️ ▶️ John because apparently these watches are big and chunky and it’s kind of rugged or whatever. But this thing being as
⏹️ ▶️ John big as it is, it basically eliminates itself from anybody buying it who has a very small wrist,
⏹️ ▶️ John because at a certain point it becomes untenable to try to get, it’s like, it’s wider than
⏹️ ▶️ John your wrist, right? The straps do not go out. The straps just immediately go in and that’s it’s
⏹️ ▶️ John not great And hey if they can make it smaller They probably would but I bet there are a lot of people who would like this watch
⏹️ ▶️ John Who have smaller wrists and just like I have to wait until I can make it smaller and how can they make it smaller?
⏹️ ▶️ John Three nanometer SoC smaller battery smaller size. Like I think they’ll get there eventually
⏹️ ▶️ John But for this first one your choices are giant or giant. That’s it. There’s one size. It’s huge
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah, and I’m actually I’m kind of surprised there is only one size Maybe that’s just a start, but but
⏹️ ▶️ Marco yeah, and I think some of some of the hugeness is The additional metal that they are using you know
⏹️ ▶️ Marco like that the reason why Apple glues stuff all over all their devices now It’s because it saves space
⏹️ ▶️ Marco And makes things more minimal and everything those screws and whatever the screwing into that takes space all
⏹️ ▶️ Marco that thick Titanium around the outside to make it more rugged that takes space if they have anything
⏹️ ▶️ Marco new in the in the band attachment slots for maybe
⏹️ ▶️ Marco these new more rugged bands to stay on more securely and more extreme circumstances, that will take up space.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco All of these things take up space in the watch. To some degree, if you’re going to have all that ruggedness and all those features,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco that is about the size it can be. I mean, a regular old G-Shock,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco even that, like I’ve never actually owned a G-Shock, but I’ve looked at a couple, and like a regular old G-Shock that is
⏹️ ▶️ Marco not even a smartwatch or is kind of barely smart, Those are usually like 48 millimeters,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco they’re big because they have all that kind of padding resin around them to make that rugged
⏹️ ▶️ Marco case. So this is just a market where it’s hard to make something super rugged and super
⏹️ ▶️ Marco functional and super small. I think unfortunately for the smaller version among us,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco and I include myself in this list, I wear the 41, I think this is just not
⏹️ ▶️ Marco really a product for us if we care about how it looks on us. Now that being said, if I was
⏹️ ▶️ Marco a mountain climber or an ultra marathonist, sure, I would buy this thing and just not give a crap how it looks.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I’ve seen lots of watch nerds wearing giant Panerais that don’t fit on their wrist at all, but that’s just the look, they want
⏹️ ▶️ Marco And they want that watch and they don’t care how it looks and they’re wearing it proudly.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco And if that’s you for the Apple Watch Ultra, go for it. No one’s gonna judge you. But I personally
⏹️ ▶️ Marco would judge myself too harshly if I wear it and I also don’t have any need for it. But again, if I had that need,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I would go for it shamelessly.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Yeah, I was going to ask you, I couldn’t remember for the life of me what the name of the fancy watches are
⏹️ ▶️ Casey with the super huge like crown guards and it’s Panerai that I was thinking of. And I’ve said this
⏹️ ▶️ Casey many times on the show before, but I had a friend who used to live near me and he was really into Panerais.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey And every one that I had seen was just freaking mammoth. And so just like you said,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Marco, like if one has the confidence to wear a freaking mammoth watch, even on a teeny
⏹️ ▶️ Casey tiny wrist like mine, then power to you. I am not that person. And apparently Marco isn’t either. And so
⏹️ ▶️ Casey I’ve always, I mean, leaving aside the fact that Panerais are obscenely expensive, I’ve always lusted after one, but I don’t think I
⏹️ ▶️ Casey would ever actually wear one because I have such a tiny, tiny wrist. And here is a similar situation.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey So, you know, the regular, if you will, or the base model Apple Watch Series 8 is 41 millimeters.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey The larger of the regular Apple Watches is 45 millimeters, and this is 49.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey, Marco Yeah. And it’s
⏹️ ▶️ Marco hard to compare it to regular watch sizes because most regular watches are round.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco And when you compare a round watch size to a square watch size, it’s a different
⏹️ ▶️ Marco ball game. You really can’t compare them directly. You think you can, you think you can figure it out, you can’t,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco trust me. Like, you know, I wear the 41 millimeter Apple Watch, but
⏹️ ▶️ Marco that compares, I would say, pretty well to a maybe 39 to 40 millimeter round. You
⏹️ ▶️ Marco know, it doesn’t seem as big. If I got a 41 millimeter round watch, that
⏹️ ▶️ Marco looks bigger on my wrist than this does by a decent amount. So you can’t quite compare them directly.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Also, it matters like how the straps fall. You know, some watches, including the regular Apple
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Watch, you know, the strap comes out a bit before it starts curving downward because
⏹️ ▶️ Marco the angle of the strap slots is kind of, is flat with the watch, or it’s almost flat.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Whereas the Apple Watch Ultra, I keep thinking it’s called the Apple Watch Explorer because that’s what I want it to be
⏹️ ▶️ Marco called. The Apple Watch Ultra, it looks like the mounting points for the strap actually go down at
⏹️ ▶️ Marco a steeper angle. And so it’s made to be like, they know how big it is.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco And so they’re making it a little bit more compatible with medium sized to small wrists by having it
⏹️ ▶️ Marco curve a little bit more in a certain way. So they’re doing what they can. It is still a very big watch. It’s also a very thick
⏹️ ▶️ Marco watch. Like I didn’t look at the measurements if they’ve given them, but you can tell it from the side profile.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco This is a big thing. But again, for the people who are getting it for its features
⏹️ ▶️ Marco or for its lifestyle look, whatever that’s important to you, they don’t
⏹️ ▶️ Marco care. They want it to be big or they don’t mind that it’s big because it’s serving a function that they need.
⏹️ ▶️ John There’s more than just fashion involved, though, especially with something this big. And especially because the little, the whatever
⏹️ ▶️ John they’re called, the little ears where the straps are, whatever angle they happen to be at, I can’t tell if they’re steeper, but it’s
⏹️ ▶️ John a fixed angle, right? There’s no change there. You can pick different band designs to help
⏹️ ▶️ John with that because some bands themselves stick out, whereas other ones have like basically a thing that goes in a slot and another
⏹️ ▶️ John thing that hooks into that. But the issue at the bottom of all this for a lot of people
⏹️ ▶️ John has nothing to do with fashion, it has to do with comfort. Like part of being outdoors and exercising with something, it
⏹️ ▶️ John has to be on your wrist in a secure and comfortable way. If it is rubbing or banging
⏹️ ▶️ John or bumping, A, it’s not gonna be comfortable and who wants that? And B, it’s not gonna do its job right because you need
⏹️ ▶️ John to have a certain, you need to sort of maintain enough contact in the right places to do the right thing. So in the end, like
⏹️ ▶️ John size can be a disqualifier, even if you don’t care anything about the fashion. And speaking of fashion with the Panerai’s and everything and
⏹️ ▶️ John the whole crown guard business, it’s the Panerai’s, I can’t, I was trying to think of a car equivalent, like
⏹️ ▶️ John it’s so comically exaggerated for the purpose of fashion, because
⏹️ ▶️ John with the crown guards, the size they are on these big chunky phones, the crown itself is also large
⏹️ ▶️ John to match the crown guard. So it’s like, oh, you know, Marco’s explanation before of like, well, what if you hit
⏹️ ▶️ John the watch against something, like if the crown is sticking out and it could, you know, you could bend it or break it and you’ll
⏹️ ▶️ John damage your watch. So now you need a crown guard. And the Panerai says, okay, well, how about we have gigantic
⏹️ ▶️ John crown guards? But then of course we need a gigantic crown that’s even more prone to being hit. So let’s make the crown guards even bigger. And it’s like, doesn’t
⏹️ ▶️ John make any sense. No one’s using those to rock climb anyway. And they’re just comical exaggeration of what it should
⏹️ ▶️ John be. But especially on the Apple watch, why does it have a crown at all? Well, Apple wanted to reference real watches and
⏹️ ▶️ John it’s an input control and yada, yada, but it has a touchscreen on it, right? And so here they are with their, they could have
⏹️ ▶️ John made a different choice here and say, well, we don’t want to have a vulnerable crown, so we’ll seal this sucker up. No,
⏹️ ▶️ John no digital crown. But they can’t because their whole ass is based on it or they kind of like painted themselves into a
⏹️ ▶️ John skeuomorphic corner here by saying we’re going to have a crown on it, which means that if we
⏹️ ▶️ John ever make a rugged one and we want to keep the crown, we have to put in a crown guard. It’s like you didn’t need any
⏹️ ▶️ John of that. Like you could have just made it a touchscreen, but they didn’t. So here we are with a crown guard. At least it’s not comically
⏹️ ▶️ John exaggerated, but they did extend the the crown guard to be around the button which then itself
⏹️ ▶️ John extends out and that’s a good idea because it’s easier to press with gloves or whatever, but that leads to a lot
⏹️ ▶️ John of sort of design awkwardness and that design awkwardness I think is part of the
⏹️ ▶️ John part of the aesthetic part of the style of this type of watch is design awkwardness
⏹️ ▶️ John it’s like a you know the stupid thing that I hate the plastic wheel
⏹️ ▶️ John arch cladding on You know it’s sort of like the Subaru Outback or whatever you take a regular car and the Volvo 7 And I
⏹️ ▶️ John was like, take a regular car and put plastic, matte black plastic cladding around the wheel wells
⏹️ ▶️ John to show that it’s rugged, right? And it’s incredibly dumb. It is a hundred percent a
⏹️ ▶️ John fashion thing and has no real functional advantage other than now you’re gonna scratch up the plastic instead of scratching
⏹️ ▶️ John up the body. It’s like, well, yeah, but I don’t care if the plastic’s scratched up. You do, it looks ugly too. Anyway,
⏹️ ▶️ John that’s what I feel like this watch is doing. They had to put the crown guard there to sort of fit in with the other
⏹️ ▶️ John cool kids who are, you know, putting a guard on the crown, To give the Panerai
⏹️ ▶️ John example, one way you can make your crown less vulnerable to being knocked into something on
⏹️ ▶️ John a, not on a digital watch, but on like a regular watch, make the crown way smaller and lower profile.
⏹️ ▶️ John You only use it when you’re winding it. It’s not a big deal. And you know, it’s like, but no, we have to make the crown
⏹️ ▶️ John big as this part of, and here, obviously the crown is not for winding. So they have to make it big enough for you to use with your finger.
⏹️ ▶️ John But it’s just, I look at this watch and it’s such a slightly confused device
⏹️ ▶️ John that is constrained by all the watches that have ever come before it. It’s constrained by the
⏹️ ▶️ John Apple Watch that has come before it. And it’s also constrained by the fashion of its peers. It has to
⏹️ ▶️ John look of a piece with them. It has to look tough. It has to look tactical. It has to, you know, like,
⏹️ ▶️ John it has to appeal to the watch nerds who knew before today what the words crown guard meant. And so here we are.
⏹️ ▶️ John You know, the one good thing it has going for it, and this is something we discussed on past shows, is like, well, could Apple
⏹️ ▶️ John ever make a watch like this? because most watches like this, you know, you want to do things with like, I want to, you know, do my splits
⏹️ ▶️ John when I’m doing a long race or, you know, like they’d have to have more buttons,
⏹️ ▶️ John right? More than just the wheel and the button. And hey, they added another button to this because it’s a giant watch and they
⏹️ ▶️ John have room for it. And it’s a programmable button or will be anyway. So apps can incorporate what that button does.
⏹️ ▶️ John That’s a great idea, Apple. I bet some of your other watches could also benefit from additional button,
⏹️ ▶️ John but they’re not quite ready to go there. I mean, Casio digital watches from my childhood four buttons on them, maybe
⏹️ ▶️ John even five, although one of them you had to use a little pinch. And they didn’t have a crown because they were digital
⏹️ ▶️ John watches. Anyway, I do think there is significant room for innovation in
⏹️ ▶️ John the watch space, and this weirdo watch shows that Apple is willing to go there a little bit,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco that. Well, and first of all, some quick updates for those less nerdy in the watch
⏹️ ▶️ Marco world. Panerai does sell multiple watch families, some of which have the giant crown guard, some of which have no crown
⏹️ ▶️ Marco guard, and some of which go down to 38 millimeters, Casey. Anyway, uh,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey tell me this. So I’m, as I’m listening to you, I’m browsing the Panerai site, and I love, I love
⏹️ ▶️ Casey the look of these so much. But as soon as I start looking at prices, it’s I’m immediately, you know, okay, I’m out.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey But I, out of curiosity, I was like, okay, let me scroll down on the Luminor series, which is what I, I consider
⏹️ ▶️ Casey to be quintessential Panerai. Maybe I’m dead wrong about that. But anyways, I scroll all the way down to the bottom,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey the Luminor Torbillion GMT. Oh God, you’re killing me. Wait, what
⏹️ ▶️ Casey is it? How am I supposed to pronounce it? No, I don’t know. Tell me. Okay, so
⏹️ ▶️ Casey tell me. I don’t know.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Well, it’s a French word, so I’m probably going to butcher it too, but it’s closer to tourbillon than what you said.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Oh, okay. Well, the Luminor T-GMT. Anyway,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey the point I’m driving
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Those are usually, what, a hundred grand?
⏹️ ▶️ Casey $180,000 for a friggin’ watch. And by the way… Yeah,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey, Marco tourbillons
⏹️ ▶️ Marco are like the Watch World’s ridiculous crown jewel thing. Nobody wears
⏹️ ▶️ Marco, Casey this. everybody wears
⏹️ ▶️ Casey this. Hold on though, hold on. Excluding sales tax. $180,000. They’re
⏹️ ▶️ Casey so good looking. This particular one is eh, but the
⏹️ ▶️ Casey, Marco others are so good. At
⏹️ ▶️ Marco most Panerais you’re going to be looking at like, you know, six to ten grand, which is a
⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John lot, but you know, that’s anyway,
⏹️ ▶️ John And none of them will ever be bumped into any surface such that that crown guard does anything
⏹️ ▶️ Marco No, no, it’s the crown guard is purely historical slash fashion. Anyway, so there’s that. But also,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco you know, John, you mentioned like, you know, why they still have the crown. They told you right there presentation and you
⏹️ ▶️ Marco just said of yourself when you’re wearing gloves or if you’re underwater like it’s really nice to have
⏹️ ▶️ Marco non-touch screen input methods on this device because as something that’s based so much
⏹️ ▶️ Marco on activity uses there are lots of cases where you either can’t use a touch screen
⏹️ ▶️ Marco or it’s really inconvenient to use a touch screen or it’s imprecise to use a touch screen so adding the the action
⏹️ ▶️ Marco button which is the coolest name they’ve come they came up with for the next 20 minutes and and the fact
⏹️ ▶️ Marco that it’s orange looks awesome. Like I love that. I wish they offered these orange accents and the other watches anyway,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco like they’re adding these things because when you’re in a lot of these situations
⏹️ ▶️ Marco or activities that they want to sell this into it sucks using a touchscreen or you can’t so
⏹️ ▶️ John great. But there are other choices be like the digital crown is because watches have little winders on it. Like that’s why if you were faced
⏹️ ▶️ John with a blank sheet of paper and said I need a watch that I can use with gloves on and it’s going to have a touchscreen but you might not be
⏹️ ▶️ John able to do the touchscreen so many other solutions involving levers or like an up and
⏹️ ▶️ John down button or like a thing that you pull, like things that could be more resilient, because this, I mean, the crown
⏹️ ▶️ John guard doesn’t guard the whole crown. Parts of it are still sticking out so you can reach them with your fingers and that could catch
⏹️ ▶️ John on something. There are better, more durable solutions that involve like a lump that you could yank
⏹️ ▶️ John or pull or a small thing sticking out if you just wanted to have an up and down type thing. But they are constrained
⏹️ ▶️ John by history and by their choice to use it as an interface element. Truly, this is a better interface element than any kind
⏹️ ▶️ John of lever or thing or whatever for most cases when you’re not wearing gloves So I don’t think it’s necessarily the
⏹️ ▶️ John wrong choice, but it is not a blank sheet of paper Like you know,
⏹️ ▶️ John like I don’t know anything about the competing Garmin things or whatever But how many of them lean so heavily on the digital
⏹️ ▶️ John crown is the Apple one? I would imagine not as many
⏹️ ▶️ Casey All right. Anything else on the ultra?
⏹️ ▶️ John Band compatibility which are some people were worried about from the rumors It’s not like there’s special
⏹️ ▶️ John bands for the Ultra. It’s the same bands that would fit the other big Apple watches.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Oh, I didn’t realize that. I don’t think they stated that in the show.
⏹️ ▶️ John actually more complicated than you would think. Like I put this little screenshot from Apple’s website because they do have the smaller
⏹️ ▶️ John bands. Like what it says is the 41 millimeter bands work with the 38 and 40 millimeter cases. The 45
⏹️ ▶️ John millimeter bands work with the 42, 44, and 49 millimeter cases. But the Solo Loop and braided Solo Loop bands
⏹️ ▶️ John are only compatible with the SE and the series are for newer. It’s just, anyway, the point is
⏹️ ▶️ John this does not introduce a new band category. Of course, it interests many new bands and you probably want one of
⏹️ ▶️ John these cool, rugged outdoorsy one. So that’s a separate issue, but they didn’t, they continue
⏹️ ▶️ John to not break compatibility. So if you have way, way, way too much money invested in Apple Watch bands, as
⏹️ ▶️ John long as you are on in the large size class, you can still reuse your stuff.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Also one thing that I hope the Apple Watch Ultra does is
⏹️ ▶️ Marco be the proven ground for technologies and improvements that then get filtered down
⏹️ ▶️ Marco to the lower end models in the future. So for instance, you know, obviously, yeah, having another button would be great.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I would love that. Having buttons like, you know, one issue I face frequently is if
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I’m wearing weightlifting gloves, they have this big like, you know, flap, this Velcro thing that’s
⏹️ ▶️ Marco right next to where my watch crown and sleep button are. And in certain wrist positions, it’s easy for that glove
⏹️ ▶️ Marco to inadvertently depress that button. And so having some kind of light crown
⏹️ ▶️ Marco guarding around the regular Apple Watch buttons, I actually might use that, you know? Also,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco the hardware features. They mentioned that the Apple Watch Ultra has this new dual
⏹️ ▶️ Marco frequency GPS module, where there’s apparently a new GPS frequency called L5 that I
⏹️ ▶️ Marco was not aware of. I’ll have to look into it for
⏹️ ▶️ Marco show. But, you know, they now use dual GPS frequencies, L1
⏹️ ▶️ Marco and L5, plus quote custom algorithms, to have much better GPS
⏹️ ▶️ Marco accuracy, especially in cities than any other quote, any other sport watch on the market. I don’t know
⏹️ ▶️ Marco how it compares to what phones have, but that would be nice to see on everything that has GPS
⏹️ ▶️ Marco on our phones, on our watches. So again, maybe this can be the proving ground for new technologies the
⏹️ ▶️ Marco same way like, you know, halo cars are that for car makers. And then maybe some of this trickles down to
⏹️ ▶️ Marco the other models in the future.
⏹️ ▶️ John Yeah, another interesting thing speaking of halo stuff is, I mean, this is, I’m assuming straight out of the real watch world
⏹️ ▶️ John intentionally or not. The whole fact that you can use it as a dive computer, right? And they partnered with that dive computer company.
⏹️ ▶️ John And like, you actually, you can use it as your wristwatch. It does all the things you need a dive wristwatch to do. And it’s,
⏹️ ▶️ John you know, it can go down and really deep in the water, much deeper than any other watch. And it’s got this application that gives you all
⏹️ ▶️ John the dive info that you need, which I didn’t, you know, know anything about. It’s not a dive. How many people are going
⏹️ ▶️ John to ever dive with this watch? Very, very few. Just like how many people are ever going to dive with a, you know,
⏹️ ▶️ John go on a submarine with their submariner. Like, it’s, you buy it, not be, you know, Yes,
⏹️ ▶️ John the people who are gonna dive with it are gonna then, you know, compare it against the competing diving watches But that there are so
⏹️ ▶️ John few people in the world to do that relatively speaking in terms of the number of total Apple watches sold
⏹️ ▶️ John But other people like the idea that they have a watch that could That
⏹️ ▶️ John they could dive with and then they’re gonna dive with it It’s like, you know, like the SUV that never goes off-road They just like the idea that it could
⏹️ ▶️ John in the same way that people would compare watches it to like, you know It’s whatever the depth that it’s good for it’s
⏹️ ▶️ John like, oh, how deep have you been? Well, I went in the low end of the pool at the hotel once, right? It’s just
⏹️ ▶️ John it’s not it’s aspirational, right? And that’s part of the message of this watch, you know, and you’re watching
⏹️ ▶️ John it, uh, Margo, the thing you were making comments about how your life is not exciting enough for this watch. That’s the whole point.
⏹️ ▶️ John They show the people running the ultra marathon, climbing the mountain, right? Diving under the sea,
⏹️ ▶️ John you know, a tiny, tiny fraction of the people who buy this watch are ever going to do it, but everybody who buys this
⏹️ ▶️ John watch likes the idea of those activities, you know? So even if they never don’t
⏹️ ▶️ John kid themselves that they’re ever gonna do them It’s just it’s it’s the same reason, you know, you’d buy like a fast car
⏹️ ▶️ John Like you’re ever gonna drive fast you ever gonna go $200 at 200 miles per hour No, you just like it because it’s a cool thing
⏹️ ▶️ John That could go 200 miles an hour, right? and so this watch Could go into the ocean could go up Mount Everest
⏹️ ▶️ John even if you never do
⏹️ ▶️ Marco and by the way real-time follow-up friends of the show Ryan Jones has reminded me that There’s a pretty good reason why they didn’t call
⏹️ ▶️ Marco this the Apple watch Explorer that there’s a small watch company that already has been selling a model
⏹️ ▶️ Marco called Explorer for about 70 years called Rolex. So there might be
⏹️ ▶️ Marco a trademark issue there. So I’m guessing that Apple Watch Explorer can never be a model
⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John worse name. I still don’t think it’s a much better name, but they can’t use it. It’s not
⏹️ ▶️ John an Apple-y name, right? Ultra for all its warts is a modern Apple-y name.
⏹️ ▶️ John I mean, extreme would have been the obvious choice, right? Because they even We’ve even talked about extreme sports or whatever. And that
⏹️ ▶️ John makes perfect sense to me. It looks like an extreme version of it, but I guess they didn’t go with extreme either.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey What are you gonna do?
⏹️ ▶️ John That’s, that was, they would use that from the era where they did Quartz Extreme. Either one of you remember what that was?
⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey Yeah, I’m aware
⏹️ ▶️ Casey of that as being a thing, but I think that was before.
⏹️ ▶️ John that’s far from the marketing department. I do wonder how much the marketing department gets involved in like, here’s what we’re gonna call this new framework
⏹️ ▶️ John or API. Like, I guess they get involved at some point, But back in the courts extreme days, who knows?
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AirPods Pro (2nd gen)
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Let me tell you a short story. I was a devoted AirPods fan since the originals came
⏹️ ▶️ Casey out. I had, I think one pair of the original, original ones. And then I got a pair with the Qi
⏹️ ▶️ Casey charging case if memory serves. And then this past Christmas, Aaron got me AirPods Pro
⏹️ ▶️ Casey for Christmas. And I love these darn things even more than I loved my original
⏹️ ▶️ Casey AirPods, which is saying something because they are up until maybe this laptop, they’re my favorite Apple product
⏹️ ▶️ Casey in many, many years. And I really selfishly, completely selfishly,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey did not want to know anything about new AirPods today, because I like my
⏹️ ▶️ Casey AirPods Pro, and I don’t want them to be old and busted pieces of garbage. And man, they are old and busted pieces of garbage
⏹️ ▶️ Marco now. I was going to say, that makes one of us who didn’t want to hear about this, because as my original, like, you know,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco day, like week one AirPod Pros, the battery is not in great
⏹️ ▶️ Marco shape. And so I was really hoping about this. So to
⏹️ ▶️ Marco me, this was great news. And Tiff and I, like, cause she also has early AirPod Pros and
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I have also, she’s like, they barely work anymore.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco, Casey So like, this
⏹️ ▶️ Marco definitely got like the most excitement from our family to jump on this as
⏹️ ▶️ Marco, Casey soon as we can possibly
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Yeah, no, I don’t blame you. And again, I’m being selfish and I’m mostly kidding. Like these look super cool. I just,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey I love my AirPods Pro, the ones I have so much. and to just crank it up to 11, that’s a reference,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey John, that just strikes me as, these are gonna be amazing. Now, I personally
⏹️ ▶️ Casey am going to attempt to hold out and not upgrade quite yet, because it seems pretty wasteful,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey even though I’m really digging on a lot of stuff they’re talking about here. So what are they talking about?
⏹️ ▶️ Casey They’re talking about a new H2 chip with high bandwidth connectivity. They have a new low distortion
⏹️ ▶️ Casey audio driver in custom amp. They talked about personalized spatial audio, which I did not think
⏹️ ▶️ Casey was unique to these, is it? I thought
⏹️ ▶️ Casey, Marco we could do that
⏹️ ▶️ Marco with the… It’s kind of not. That’s
⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John kind of an iOS feature.
⏹️ ▶️ John Right, that’s what I thought. Spatial audio is the feature, and lots of their products support spatial audio. And
⏹️ ▶️ John the thing they were advertising doesn’t have anything specific due to the AirPods because like, hey, you can hold your
⏹️ ▶️ John phone up to your ear. We talked about this before with iOS 16. You can hold your phone up to your ear and the TrueDepth camera will
⏹️ ▶️ John get a picture of your ear and will try to give you a custom head-related transfer function that makes spatial audio
⏹️ ▶️ John sound right according to the shape of your ears. And you may be thinking, well, What does the shape of my ears have to
⏹️ ▶️ John do with anything? AirPods Pro go jammed into my little ear hole. Like they’re, it doesn’t, the sound
⏹️ ▶️ John never even touches the outside of my ear. Ah, but what they’re trying to do is know what shape the outside of your ear is, so they know
⏹️ ▶️ John what kind of sound to shove into your ear hole to fool it into thinking that sound bounced
⏹️ ▶️ John off your weird shaped ear and everything, right? So that’s, that’s the thing they’re doing here. And that
⏹️ ▶️ John I think is a basically a feature of iOS 16, but they wanted to show it here because it looks cool.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey So active noise cancellation, which is what possibly my favorite fe- Well, no, I shouldn’t say that.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey I love the AirPods Pro for two reasons. One, I genuinely think they sound way better. And number two, the active noise cancellation
⏹️ ▶️ Casey is so nice. And they are saying that in the new AirPods Pro 2, the ANC
⏹️ ▶️ Casey is twice as much noise canceled, which is super duper cool. They also have something,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey I think I’m skipping ahead a little bit. What do they call it? Adaptive transparency, I believe, where it will,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey let’s say you wanna be in transparency mode where you can hear things that are happening around you, but you
⏹️ ▶️ Casey don’t want to hear a jackhammer that’s right nearby. Well, they have this new thing called adaptive
⏹️ ▶️ Casey transparency where it samples at like 48,000 Hertz and it will try to
⏹️ ▶️ Casey make something like a jackhammer or a train or something like that. They will cancel just that out
⏹️ ▶️ Casey and leave everything else behind so you can hear it, which I think is super duper cool. They also said that they have
⏹️ ▶️ Casey large, medium, small, and now extra small tips if you have a particularly small ear hole, which is cool.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey A longer battery life. Another thing that I think is super neat, and I had to do something like this
⏹️ ▶️ Casey very recently, I had lost my AirPods Pro in the house. I knew for sure they were in the house because I just used them
⏹️ ▶️ Casey like an hour or two ago, but I put them somewhere dumb. And I realized, wait a second, I think I might be able to
⏹️ ▶️ Casey do this on Find My. And I did, and not only that, but apparently the AirPods
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Pro have whatever, what is it, the ultra wide band or something? What is the thing I’m thinking of
⏹️ ▶️ Casey where you can do like the homing beacon?
⏹️ ▶️ Casey, John No. You won, you won, Jeff, yeah. Okay,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey so anyway, so I was able to do that, and granted it took me like a lap around the house before I got close enough to them for that
⏹️ ▶️ Casey thing to work. But then, you know, I could point my phone and twist around and it would say, no, it’s to the right, to the left.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Stop, okay, go straight ahead. You know, three feet, two feet, one feet, there it is. Well, that obviously still exists
⏹️ ▶️ Casey in the AirPods Pro 2, but what’s even cooler is the case has a speaker on
⏹️ ▶️ Casey it, which is super awesome. So you can say, hey, I need you to play a sound and
⏹️ ▶️ Casey the case is what plays the sound rather than the earbuds. And of course, the
⏹️ ▶️ Casey, John earbuds. does
⏹️ ▶️ John the existing case have a speaker on it too? I thought they just made the speaker
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I don’t think so. I believe it uses the speaker of the AirPods, but
⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John it really doesn’t. That’s what I thought, if the AirPods are in the case. No,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco just keep in mind, like the AirPod Pros are fairly old by this point. They were designed
⏹️ ▶️ Marco before the FiMi network was really a thing. And I think all this stuff that we can do with them,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco you know, having them, like have them play a little chirping noise and everything, that was all kind of hacked on later, it seemed. And so
⏹️ ▶️ Marco this is the first time we’re getting this product designed from the start to be part of this ecosystem.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey So the speaker on the case can play noises, which I think is super awesome. You can use it with an
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Apple Watch charger, which in principle, I really like. I don’t think that’s something I expect to do
⏹️ ▶️ Casey really ever. Well, not that I’m planning on buying these right away. Anyway.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco That was a happy surprise though. I’m
⏹️ ▶️ Marco, Casey actually very
⏹️ ▶️ Marco pleased to see like, you can charge it with lightning, not USB-C, yeah, but we’ll get there, or MagSafe or
⏹️ ▶️ Marco the Apple Watch charger. Like great. Finally, like, you know, they’re starting to realize like, hey, you know what? having these
⏹️ ▶️ Marco chargers, like the Apple charger, that can only do one thing, it’s kind of annoying.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco you know, as long as we’re stuck with it, let’s give it more uses.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Yep, couldn’t agree more. Then everyone noticed, including me, like something that looked almost
⏹️ ▶️ Casey like, what is the smart connector on the back of the iPad? Is that what I’m thinking of? There was something on the side of the case. And
⏹️ ▶️ Casey everyone was like, what the hell is this? Well, apparently you can get an optional loop that magnetically
⏹️ ▶️ Casey attaches to the case on the side of the case. And that’s what that little connector was. Not something for me, but again, I
⏹️ ▶️ Casey think that’s cool that it’s an option. They’re 250 bucks. You can order them, what, this coming Friday,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey available on or around the 23rd. They said you can do free engraving, you know, whatever,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey including Memoji, which, not for me, but I think that’s cool that they allow it. And
⏹️ ▶️ Casey I’m really digging these. If somebody wants to buy a pair for me, please feel free, but instead you should go to cintu.org slash
⏹️ ▶️ Casey ATP. But nevertheless, if you had that much money, you can send them my way, because I’m too cheap to buy
⏹️ ▶️ Casey ones to replace my nine month old ones that I love so much. But there was also something else that happened
⏹️ ▶️ Casey during the segment. John, I presume you were the first one to spot this of the three of us?
⏹️ ▶️ John No, I think I didn’t spot it when I was just too busy.
⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco Oh, Tiff spotted it.
⏹️ ▶️ John Yeah, a bunch of people spotted it at this point.
⏹️ ▶️ John the background, while the person who was presenting the Apple Watch, while Mary Ann was like walking around and going through like the scenery
⏹️ ▶️ John and saying this Apple Watch, she like comes out of a subway car and then the person who walks onto the subway
⏹️ ▶️ John car standing on the platform as she goes by or whatever is a character from one of the Apple
⏹️ ▶️ John TV Plus shows, the television show Severance, which is pretty cool. You should check it out.
⏹️ ▶️ John That was sort of a stealth promo for that show, which would be slightly less stealth later in the program.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco One of the little detail that I took note of is that what they said during AirPods
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Pro presentation was that they were, quote, our most popular AirPods. That surprised me.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Oh, I missed that. I did not catch that at all.
⏹️ ▶️ John So one of the features these have with the swipe for volume control, I thought when they were doing this part,
⏹️ ▶️ John I thought when they were doing this part, I’m like, are they gonna do it? Are they gonna make them so you can tap them? But no, they didn’t make them so you can tap
⏹️ ▶️ John them. But that I get there, maybe they’ll get there eventually. But anyway, the whole idea that you could rub your finger
⏹️ ▶️ John on the side of the little stem and change the volume was something we’ve been talking about since the very first AirPods.
⏹️ ▶️ John Because it’s like, oh, these AirPods, but how do you change the volume on them, right? Oh, you have to, you can use Siri to do it or you’ll
⏹️ ▶️ John do it on your phone or whatever. And they just never really tackled that problem. Now they’re finally doing it. And lots of, when we were talking
⏹️ ▶️ John about it, lots of people would say, oh, that would be a bad interface because it would be very awkward and difficult to do.
⏹️ ▶️ John Well, now we’re gonna find out because they added it and the stem is even shorter than it was in the, much shorter than it was on the
⏹️ ▶️ John original AirPods. And maybe it can be disabled if it’s awkward or whatever, but we’ll see how it goes.
⏹️ ▶️ John I imagine it’s very conservative so you don’t accidentally like brush your hand against it and blow your eardrums out because you made the volume go
⏹️ ▶️ John too high. But I would love this on a non, you know,
⏹️ ▶️ John on my non-sealed AirPods, like whatever the AirPods, regular AirPods version four,
⏹️ ▶️ John love to try a volume control like that because very often I want to adjust the volume by some small amount,
⏹️ ▶️ John but I don’t wanna walk into the room and do it on my phone where the phone is and I don’t wanna have to try to make
⏹️ ▶️ John Siri do it because it just never works for me and it stops. So I totally endorse that
⏹️ ▶️ John feature. I would also endorse the idea that you could tap it to stop and start. Feel like there’s gotta be room in there for them
⏹️ ▶️ John to do this. Maybe when they eventually go stemless, they’ll do that.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Yeah, I can’t believe I forgot to talk about that because the swipe for volume strikes me as so convenient.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey I agree with you that maybe it’ll turn out not so great, but in principle anyway, before I’ve tried it, it strikes
⏹️ ▶️ Casey me as so awesome and such a great, great, great upgrade.
⏹️ ▶️ John One more thing about the high bandwidth connectivity that you mentioned before, they didn’t really
⏹️ ▶️ John talk much about that after they just tossed it out there, right? And so like, what do they mean by that?
⏹️ ▶️ John Like as far as we’ve been able to determine based on public filings and stuff or whatever,
⏹️ ▶️ John it’s just like a higher bandwidth mode of Bluetooth. It’s not like ultra wideband or anything as far as we know
⏹️ ▶️ John Like the regular Bluetooth is three megabits and then this is like a four and an eight megabit mode
⏹️ ▶️ John So considerably more bandwidth, but what do they use that bandwidth for?
⏹️ ▶️ John Again, they didn’t they didn’t attribute anything to that bandwidth one thing that they can obviously use
⏹️ ▶️ John it for is that It extends battery life because when you’re sending, you know The compressed audio
⏹️ ▶️ John or whatever you can spend less time sending it, right? Given a the same size buffer
⏹️ ▶️ John that you’re going to keep right so you can send and let it play and then send to let It play or whatever and so that leaves more time
⏹️ ▶️ John for you to retransmit if it didn’t get sent correctly the first time And you’re spending less of your time
⏹️ ▶️ John Less of your time sending and receiving again given a fixed size buffer on either end of the thing So some of the
⏹️ ▶️ John battery life benefit may be attributed to the high bandwidth another thing they talked about which I feature I wish
⏹️ ▶️ John I had this feature on my air pods as well Well, having two things. One, I think this is an
⏹️ ▶️ John iOS 16 thing, and maybe it does apply to the old AirPods. Having your AirPods connected to two things at once, so
⏹️ ▶️ John you could have your AirPods connected to your phone and your Mac at the same time. I don’t think that’s an AirPods Pro feature. I think it’s just an iOS 16 feature.
⏹️ ▶️ John Am I correct about that?
⏹️ ▶️ Casey I don’t remember, but I mean, right now, they certainly can flip-flop between different devices pretty easily if
⏹️ ▶️ John No, but just having it connected to both at the same time. And the other one that they talked about, I think in the context of the AirPods
⏹️ ▶️ John Pro, was having multiple people’s AirPods connected to a single device. So if you’re watching something on a plane
⏹️ ▶️ John on your iPad and you want you to wear your AirPods and your wife to wear her AirPods and you both wanna
⏹️ ▶️ John watch the movie at the same time, does the extra bandwidth help with that? Is it totally orthogonal? I
⏹️ ▶️ John don’t know, but these are all features that I think are great and I think everyone has wanted for a long time. You still
⏹️ ▶️ John can’t do that with the current ones, right? Like this is a new feature?
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Well, it was weird, so Apple did their own like kinda, you know, share stuff to multiple Bluetooth
⏹️ ▶️ Marco headphones thing first and then later on that became part of the
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Bluetooth standard with like the most modern audio standards
⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John and everything.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco So now other headphones do that as well. But I don’t know how they ever like, if they ever like went back
⏹️ ▶️ Marco and replace it, I don’t know.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Yeah. Oh, and I misspoke earlier, real time follow up. The lanyard I thought was magnetic.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Looking at this again, it’s not. You
⏹️ ▶️ Casey, John throw it. Oh yeah, I was gonna say, it’s just a hole. It’s a hole that you put a string
⏹️ ▶️ Casey through. Yep. Oh, these AirPods Pro, they look super awesome. And we’ll see if I have the
⏹️ ▶️ Casey self-control not to buy some, but I haven’t yet.
⏹️ ▶️ John Yeah, I want all of these features, obviously except for the ones that can’t have like noise canceling, because it doesn’t make sense.
⏹️ ▶️ John I want all of them on the non-ear hole AirPods ASAP.
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⏹️ ▶️ Casey Finally, it is iPhone time. We start with the 14 and the 14 plus.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey They are 6.1 inches and 6.7 inches, which is the same size as the 13 Pro, right? Or the 13 Pro
⏹️ ▶️ Casey and Pro Max. Am I right about that? I
⏹️ ▶️ John mean, yes, the screen sizes are the same, but as we’ll get to in a little bit when we talk about the Pros,
⏹️ ▶️ John I’m not entirely sure that the phone size is down to the millimeter the same
⏹️ ▶️ Marco It’s not. The, the, the phone, both the, well, the screens have also gotten very
⏹️ ▶️ Marco slightly larger, but it’s, it’s, you know, we’re talking like a few, a few pixels
⏹️ ▶️ Marco larger. It’s not a, not a, not a big amount. The phone, the, the measurements of the, of the pro phones,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco they have also got like their footprint has actually gotten very slightly bigger, but it’s, it’s a very, very
⏹️ ▶️ John And I think they might’ve changed the radius on the curves too. Someone had a screenshot of like the old phone versus the new
⏹️ ▶️ John phone going back and forth and made it look like that. to tell, but it’ll be interesting when people get these phones, like lay a 14 on top of
⏹️ ▶️ John a 13, lay a 14 Pro on top of a 13 Pro, if you can figure out how to arrange the stupid camera things to see what the differences actually
⏹️ ▶️ John are. They’re very, very, very close, it seems like, but not exact. Yep, so we’ve got 14, 14 plus in midnight
⏹️ ▶️ Casey starlight blue, purple in product red. Well, they
⏹️ ▶️ Casey specifically said the 14 plus is the best battery life ever on an iPhone. And I don’t believe they corrected that for the 14 Pro,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey as far as I’m aware. So that’s cool. It does have the A15
⏹️ ▶️ Casey from the iPhone 13 Pro. I think I got that right, I hope so.
⏹️ ▶️ John But with all the parts that work, because I think if on the original, well, that’s why I say it from the iPhone 13 Pro, because if you
⏹️ ▶️ John remember the iPhone 13, you’d get one and like one of the GPU cores didn’t work, I think it was like a five core GPU
⏹️ ▶️ John instead of a six. And I think all the A15s in the iPhone 14 will be all the parts
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah, I loved the way they did this. This is such a wonderful
⏹️ ▶️ Marco marketing BS kind of thing where they have this marketing problem where
⏹️ ▶️ Marco this is the first iPhone to not upgrade the chip from the one before it.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco And so instead of burying that and hoping nobody noticed, they attempted
⏹️ ▶️ Marco to turn it into a feature, I think unsuccessfully because none of us were fooled, but they
⏹️ ▶️ Marco attempted to spend a little bit of time talking about how this new I love the line they
⏹️ ▶️ Marco said quote now we are bringing this proven pro-level performance to
⏹️ ▶️ Marco iPhone 14 not saying that you know the iPhone 13 they’re
⏹️ ▶️ Marco bringing the performance of the iPhone 13 Pro the iPhone 14 well the iPhone 13 non pro had like 85% of it or
⏹️ ▶️ Marco So it’s so, that was a wonderful-
⏹️ ▶️ John the pro performance that they’re
⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco bringing. They’re not
⏹️ ▶️ John bringing the non-pro performance where one of your GPU cores doesn’t work. And I think that’s literally the only difference. The only difference was
⏹️ ▶️ John one GPU core didn’t work and now
⏹️ ▶️ Marco of them will. Yeah, as far as I know, that’s the only difference. So, you know, quite a wonderful bit of
⏹️ ▶️ Marco marketing there from Apple attempting to spin this as something besides, like, yeah, there’s
⏹️ ▶️ Marco now just more difference between the pro and the non-pro.
⏹️ ▶️ John And speaking of battery life, I’m kind of surprised that they didn’t make the connection between the removal of
⏹️ ▶️ John the SIM, which we’ll get to in a little bit, and
⏹️ ▶️ John life, because that’s gotta be a factor, right, I mean, the SIM takes up room, room that could be taken up, you know,
⏹️ ▶️ John that you can use to rearrange stuff to put more battery in, and I’m assuming they did that. We’ll see when they tear them down,
⏹️ ▶️ John but I’m guessing that they spent some of that savings on a bigger battery.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah, presumably. And also, and like, you know, if they’re using the, if using like, you know, a similar size battery
⏹️ ▶️ Marco between the regular 14s and the 14 Pros. Well, the 14 Pros have
⏹️ ▶️ Marco this much larger power demand of this new always on screen thing. And so of
⏹️ ▶️ Marco course the Pros are gonna get less battery life for the same size batteries as the non-Pros.
⏹️ ▶️ John And the A16 probably is more power thirsty than the A15. Maybe.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey All right, so there is a new camera. They started calling it the main camera,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey which is a change from the, what did they call it, the wide
⏹️ ▶️ Casey, Marco camera? Yeah,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco they used to call it wide. Thank God they made this change.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Nobody understood what that was.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Because once they started adding the ultra wide, then it’s okay, well, if you say the wide camera, a lot of people are gonna assume
⏹️ ▶️ Marco you mean the.5 X one, not the 1 X one. So now everywhere they have renamed the 1
⏹️ ▶️ Marco X one to main. So whether they’re talking about the main camera, or later on when
⏹️ ▶️ Marco they get their fake 2 X thing, they refer to the main lens. So it’s all main, which is a
⏹️ ▶️ Marco much, much better name.
⏹️ ▶️ John Although it’s kind of interesting that to this point, all of the diameter
⏹️ ▶️ John of the circles in the back of the phone have been uniform on a given phone, right? So
⏹️ ▶️ John the main camera is not, from looking at the circle on the outside, bigger than the
⏹️ ▶️ John non-main cameras, right? Underneath the covers, obviously, the sensors and everything else and the mechanisms
⏹️ ▶️ John are different, but they’ve kept the circles the same size. And it’s kind of, yeah, main camera is a
⏹️ ▶️ John better name, but it’s kind of academic in that the only place this manifests is
⏹️ ▶️ John in the UI, and in the UI, it’s not called main, It’s called 1X, you know, 0.5X, right? So if you ask someone,
⏹️ ▶️ John if you showed them the back of their phone and said point to the main camera, no one has any idea which one
⏹️ ▶️ John right? Why would you know? Why would you care? It’s all in the UI and the UI is numbers, not words.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey So they did make mention briefly of the fact that 3 trillion, with a T,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey photos were taken with the iPhone in the last year, which I thought was bananas. But anyways,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey it is a 12 megapixel main camera, F1.5 with sensor shift optical image
⏹️ ▶️ Casey stabilization. Apparently a nearly 50% low light improvement. There’s
⏹️ ▶️ Casey a 38% improvement in low light with the TrueDepth camera. That’s the front camera, if I’m not mistaken, an F1.9.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey It also has autofocus for the first time. Deep Fusion is now being applied earlier in the process on
⏹️ ▶️ Casey uncompressed images. So hopefully that’ll make things look a lot better. They announced, and this is
⏹️ ▶️ Casey the beginning of really dodgy names, the Photonic Engine, which is an enhanced image
⏹️ ▶️ Casey pipeline to dramatically improve low-light photos and goes beyond what hardware alone can provide,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey which the name is a little meh, but nevertheless, they claim 2X low-light improvement on front and the ultra-wide
⏹️ ▶️ Casey cameras and a 2.5X improvement on the main camera. Additionally, for the video
⏹️ ▶️ Casey portion, they have action mode, which is a more advanced stabilization mode, and they have more
⏹️ ▶️ Casey overscan. So I don’t remember if they were doing this before or not, but my understanding is, and this
⏹️ ▶️ Casey is certainly how I believe the GoPro tends to work, is when you film, you’re not
⏹️ ▶️ Casey using the entirety of the frame that the sensor’s capturing. And that means as
⏹️ ▶️ Casey you’re jostling the camera and thus the sensor around, you can, with software, move
⏹️ ▶️ Casey what portion of that frame is being saved to offset the motion of
⏹️ ▶️ Casey the physical device. And so they have more overscan, they have more movement correction, and they specifically
⏹️ ▶️ Casey said, without having to carry any extra gear, like a gimbal, which I’ve done from time to time, and I can assure you is not fun.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey So camera improvements, definitely camera improvements, not quite as monumental as the pros,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey which we’ll get to in a minute. I am tentatively
⏹️ ▶️ Casey very annoyed by the next thing they talked about, which is there is no SIM tray,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey except in a couple of countries, there is no SIM tray in the iPhone 14 line, including the pros.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Instead, it is all eSIM all the time. And that in and of itself,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey I think is probably good and probably an improvement. The thing I don’t like though, is that when I was on AT&T,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey and if you recall, I switched to Verizon recently so I can use my ultra wide band park bench slash picnic
⏹️ ▶️ Casey table. With AT&T- Is
⏹️ ▶️ Casey, Marco that on the
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Verizon 5G nationwide ultra fast, ultra wide band, ultra wide, ultra everything network?
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Do you know what son of a gun it is? But anyway, with
⏹️ ▶️ Casey AT&T, I would take a physical SIM from phone to phone to phone to phone, and AT&T anyway, would never charge me
⏹️ ▶️ Casey the like $30 tax, you know, in order to switch phones because I was just moving a SIM.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey That’s all I was doing and they were none the wise. I mean, I think they literally did know that it was a different phone, but they never charged me
⏹️ ▶️ Casey for it. I don’t know what Verizon would have or did do in the past, but
⏹️ ▶️ Casey I was planning on hoping, and I was hoping that I was going to, you know, take my SIM out of
⏹️ ▶️ Casey my 13 Pro and move it into a 14 Pro. And I specifically, when I got the Verizon
⏹️ ▶️ Casey account, when I moved to Verizon, I was asked, do you want an eSIM? And I was like, no, no, no, I’ll take a physical SIM please
⏹️ ▶️ Casey so I can move it into my next phone. And the guy I was talking to was like, are you sure? It’s a really nice time. And he said, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey I’ll take my physical SIM. Thank you very much.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco They want their 30 buck fee for whatever
⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John they’re gonna do.
⏹️ ▶️ John Are you trying to imply that the carriers don’t charge people a fee when they move physical SIM? Cause I feel
⏹️ ▶️ John like they would find a way to do that too. Maybe AT&T didn’t, but.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey I agree, but AT&T didn’t. I think they are capable of charge, like any of these carriers are capable
⏹️ ▶️ Casey of charging a fee. I have no doubt that they know that they’re different devices connected, but AT&T never
⏹️ ▶️ Casey did. Now it could be that when I did this in this fantasy world where the 14 Pro did have a physical SIM, maybe
⏹️ ▶️ Casey I would have moved the SIM and Verizon would have been like, ha ha, no. So maybe I would have been charged
⏹️ ▶️ Casey anyway, but ignorance is bliss. And so I’m a little annoyed that now I don’t even have the
⏹️ ▶️ Casey choice or the chance. But that being said, this is like me not being excited
⏹️ ▶️ Casey about the AirPods Pro, right? For every other person on the planet, this is probably an
⏹️ ▶️ Casey, John improvement.
⏹️ ▶️ John Not every other, but a lot of people are complaining who do like international traveling.
⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey Oh, that’s true. Some
⏹️ ▶️ John countries, eSIM is not a supported thing with the various carriers, and it was nice
⏹️ ▶️ John to be able to have one or possibly two SIM slots where you could just, you know, get a SIM card and
⏹️ ▶️ John shuffle it to whatever country you’re in. This is a growing pains thing though. Like eSIM is obviously the superior solution.
⏹️ ▶️ John It’s silly that we have these little SIM cards. We have an electronic solution for it, but it’s painful
⏹️ ▶️ John if the rest of the world has not caught up. Whether that be companies having policies that are not
⏹️ ▶️ John as punitive in terms of charging you money to switch them or just simply not supporting an uncertain carrier. So
⏹️ ▶️ John I think we’re in for a couple of years or potentially more in various countries of pain
⏹️ ▶️ John as Apple essentially forces the world to come to terms with eSIMs because
⏹️ ▶️ John carriers do want iPhone customers on their network because iPhone customers by buying an iPhone
⏹️ ▶️ John have proven they have money, the carriers want that money. And so this will change
⏹️ ▶️ John over time. I’m glad the eSIM is coming, but I’m also a little bit wary of what kind
⏹️ ▶️ John of cluster it’s going to be during the transition to successfully get my phone activated and working. Hell, last
⏹️ ▶️ John time I think even with my physical SIM card, I had trouble getting things up and going. There’s nothing that carriers
⏹️ ▶️ John can’t screw up. But eSIM, like from a tech perspective, it’s better if only because you don’t have
⏹️ ▶️ John to have a giant stupid slot in your phone taking up space that could be used for other things like
⏹️ ▶️ John batteries. So I give it a thumbs up, even though it may be a pain.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco And keep in mind, like that slot also provides one more possible entry point for water.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey That’s exactly what I was about to say.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey, Marco Exactly. Sorry.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey No, no, it’s all good. And yeah, I was going to say the same thing. So in the grand scheme of things, as much as I’m whining about
⏹️ ▶️ Casey it right now, I do think it is for the best. I’m just very wary, and I’m sure that I’m in for $60
⏹️ ▶️ Casey worth of Verizon charges when I have them e-SIM me, or move my physical SIM to
⏹️ ▶️ Casey an e-SIM, and hopefully in a week, in a few days. Moving on, crash detection. The car
⏹️ ▶️ Casey crash thing is coming to the phone, which is kind of nice. Also, we finally figured out, and this
⏹️ ▶️ Casey is, in my opinion, a pretty rare occurrence, Far Out actually did relate to something that they talked about. Far
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Out being the tagline
⏹️ ▶️ Casey, John on the invites. The
⏹️ ▶️ John titles always relate to something.
⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey They just relate in a
⏹️ ▶️ John boring way that no one cares about after the fact. Wow.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Nevertheless, new safety service, says Ashley Williams, as she was presenting.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey And I think this is super freaking cool. Whether or not I ever use
⏹️ ▶️ Casey it, I think the tech is so neat. So they said, hey, you could be in the middle of nowhere and you
⏹️ ▶️ Casey might want to call for help. You might want to call 911 if you’re American or whatever the equivalent is in other
⏹️ ▶️ Casey countries. You might want to call somebody because you’re hiking and you’re by yourself and
⏹️ ▶️ Casey you broke your leg or something. So how do you do that if you don’t have service? Well, it turns out there’s a bunch
⏹️ ▶️ Casey of satellites up in the sky that you could hypothetically talk to. But, and I have seen, and I’ve talked about this in
⏹️ ▶️ Casey the past, I’ve seen a satellite phone before. Now, granted, this was many years ago now, but it was huge.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey The antenna was mammoth and it was not fun. It was not fun to hold. So they said, well, what do
⏹️ ▶️ Casey we do? Well, they specifically said that you need to have the iPhone pointed
⏹️ ▶️ Casey at a satellite, but the satellite is so far away you can’t see it, so what do you do? Well, apparently
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Apple figured out that they could show you, kind of like the homing beacon thing with the AirPods case I
⏹️ ▶️ Casey was talking about earlier, they can show you where you need to point your phone and tell
⏹️ ▶️ Casey you, all right, a little to the left, little to the right, little to the left, stop! Okay, right there, hold it right there, and we’re gonna
⏹️ ▶️ Casey send a text message to get you help. I think this is so cool.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey And they talked about how difficult it is to transmit data that far. I mean, obviously, to transmit data that
⏹️ ▶️ Casey far away. And they said they came up with a custom compression algorithm to reduce the size of these text messages
⏹️ ▶️ Casey by a factor of three. And they were very proud that it takes less than 15 seconds to
⏹️ ▶️ Casey send a message when you have a clear view of the sky, mind you. But it might be a couple of minutes if
⏹️ ▶️ Casey you have a really cloudy day or if you’re under foliage or something like that. That’s so ridiculous to me,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey but also so cool. That it only takes 15 seconds to send a message
⏹️ ▶️ Casey to outer space. It
⏹️ ▶️ John takes me more than 15 seconds to send text messages to my children when I’m parked outside their high school, which is in
⏹️ ▶️ John a cell phone. Right?
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I just think this is so cool. And this is also a case where it helps to know a Garmin product that
⏹️ ▶️ Marco already exists to put this into context. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So modern satellite
⏹️ ▶️ Marco phones are actually very small very capable. I know this in part because
⏹️ ▶️ Marco our friend Underscore told me about them last year, but also in part because the reason
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I remembered it was that I live really close to New York City
⏹️ ▶️ Marco and a major world nuclear power started a war and I live on a remote
⏹️ ▶️ Marco island. So I thought, hmm, it might be good to have some kind of
⏹️ ▶️ Marco backup satellite phone in case the one cell tower on our island
⏹️ ▶️ Marco doesn’t work for some reason. Wait,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey you got like an Iridium phone or whatever it’s called?
⏹️ ▶️ Marco So I got a Garmin InReach Mini 2 and
⏹️ ▶️ Marco this thing is so small. And this is what
⏹️ ▶️ Marco this is competing against. So by comparison, this is a device
⏹️ ▶️ Marco that it doesn’t even have its own keyboard or anything. It pairs to an app on your phone
⏹️ ▶️ Marco over Bluetooth if you wanna actually type custom messages into it or upload contacts or whatever.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco But the main use it’s for is just sending SOS messages or
⏹️ ▶️ Marco sending canned messages to your contacts. And the thing costs like 400 bucks.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Basic service is like 12 bucks a month. That’s what you’re looking at here. And this thing, it is
⏹️ ▶️ Marco pretty small. I mean, it’s about the size of two AirPods Pro cases
⏹️ ▶️ Marco plus a little nubby antenna that sticks up. And so that’s what we’re talking about. So the iPhone doesn’t have this
⏹️ ▶️ Marco nubby antenna or the plastic enclosure around it or whatever else. And so this thing can
⏹️ ▶️ Marco connect to satellites within a very short time, as long as you’re again, outside view
⏹️ ▶️ Marco of the sky. It can connect to satellites. It can send messages without having to
⏹️ ▶️ Marco do crazy, weird compression stuff. It’s custom, like it just connects directly to them and can send whatever message you want it to send.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco And it doesn’t take 15 seconds to send a message. But it is a dedicated device and it has this
⏹️ ▶️ Marco little nub antenna that sticks out of it. So for the iPhone to be talking
⏹️ ▶️ Marco to probably the same satellites with the same service running them, probably, for the iPhone
⏹️ ▶️ Marco to do it without an external antenna, and without being a dedicated device dedicated
⏹️ ▶️ Marco solely to this function.
⏹️ ▶️ John And without paying $12 a month, at least for the first.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco paying $12 a month for, yeah. And then there’s the big question mark of two years free with iPhone 14. Well,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco then what? Anyway, we’ll find out that later. I’m sure they probably haven’t worked it out yet. But anyway,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco so these dedicated devices exist and are small and modern. This even, this has a USB-C charging
⏹️ ▶️ Marco input. Like it’s a modern device. It already exists and it’s great.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco And if you pay more than the 12 bucks a month, you can have much more, you know, capability on it too. Like, you know, you can unlimited
⏹️ ▶️ Marco messaging, all this other stuff, stuff I don’t need. But anyway, these devices already exist
⏹️ ▶️ Marco and they seem to do fine in the market and they seem to be pretty decent. Apple though
⏹️ ▶️ Marco is building in a admittedly much worse version, but it’ll
⏹️ ▶️ Marco still do the basics of like get you help if you need it. They’re building that into every iPhone
⏹️ ▶️ Marco and you don’t have to activate service to do it. It’s just built in and it’ll just come with every iPhone 14.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco That’s amazing because you know, this is the kind of product that you hope to never need
⏹️ ▶️ Marco and most people truly never need them. But there might be a time when you do.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco And if you didn’t think ahead to buy one of these things and pay for its 12 bucks a month service
⏹️ ▶️ Marco forever, you wouldn’t have this with you. Now, every iPhone
⏹️ ▶️ Marco owner with a 14 or greater phone will be able to do this. And so, again,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco think of like life-saving options here. This is an incredible thing to have
⏹️ ▶️ Marco on every single iPhone of this generation forward. That’s amazing. And even if
⏹️ ▶️ Marco it takes you 15 minutes to send your SOS message, that’s still potentially
⏹️ ▶️ Marco really important and can make a pretty big difference in certain situations than not having
⏹️ ▶️ Marco any way at all to contact for help or having
⏹️ ▶️ Marco like, you know, walk a few miles to get cell service or whatever. Like, this is
⏹️ ▶️ Marco a major deal. And so yes, it is gonna be very limited. You’re not gonna be browsing
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Instagram over this connection as we discussed last week. This is, it’s not that kind of thing. But
⏹️ ▶️ Marco if you need help in a pinch, you can get it. And that’s fantastic. And that’s something
⏹️ ▶️ Marco that, you know, again, until Android phones catch up to this, that’s
⏹️ ▶️ Marco a really big selling point for Apple. They’re just, this is one more thing
⏹️ ▶️ Marco on the list of like, if you’re worried at all about like emergency preparedness or,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco you know, certain risks, one more reason to stick with Apple. It’s a smart move
⏹️ ▶️ Marco and it’s a good move that will probably save lives.
⏹️ ▶️ John You know, based on your explanation of why you got that Garmin thing, I feel like you’re not really embracing
⏹️ ▶️ John your life as a New Yorker because people raised, maybe this is a bygone
⏹️ ▶️ John era, but if you’re raised in the New York Metro area during the Cold War, part of the ethos
⏹️ ▶️ John was, well, we don’t have to worry about nuclear war because if it starts, we’re all dead.
⏹️ ▶️ John So like, don’t worry about preparedness or I might need a satellite phone. Like, look at the map,
⏹️ ▶️ John people. Draw the big circles from war games. It’s something we don’t have to worry about. It’s like, because we’re just
⏹️ ▶️ Marco No, but I did look at those circles. I went to like the nuke map site. This is a dark
⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John time. Like I went
⏹️ ▶️ Marco to that and I, you know, and you simulate, oh, what if like, you know, the Tsar Bomba or whatever,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco and all these terrible outcomes. And no, it turns out like I’m not guaranteed dead
⏹️ ▶️ Marco because I’m pretty far from the city here. In Westchester, I’m screwed. West, could be because of the direction
⏹️ ▶️ Marco of the wind in Westchester, I’m totally dead.
⏹️ ▶️ John You’re dead there too. That’s what I’m trying to tell you. It’ll be slightly worse for you. You probably won’t be instantly vaporized, but
⏹️ ▶️ John you’re dead. Like the Silent
⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco Hill is like,
⏹️ ▶️ John because like, you know how hard it is to get on and off the island in the best of circumstances? And as we
⏹️ ▶️ John established previously, you don’t have a boat.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Nobody has a driving permit now, that’s all he needs. A driving permit and an overpriced truck.
⏹️ ▶️ John Yeah, I think the island’s traffic will defeat him in the best
⏹️ ▶️ John of times. Nuclear Armageddon is not the best of times. You are not getting off the island
⏹️ ▶️ John that way. You are dead. So, but that’s not to say you shouldn’t have this phone because the real
⏹️ ▶️ John reason this is a useful feature is not for that doomsday scenario, but hey, what if there’s a hurricane,
⏹️ ▶️ John right? What if there’s a flood? Those things are way more likely to happen and unfortunately
⏹️ ▶️ John with the climate change, increasingly likely to be endangering all of us and so I think this feature is
⏹️ ▶️ John well timed to potentially save a few extra lives.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah, well and also, again, one of the reasons why I was happy to get this is my family
⏹️ ▶️ Marco lives upstate in an area with no cell coverage and frequently we are driving
⏹️ ▶️ Marco to their house And so we often are driving through rural areas
⏹️ ▶️ Marco with no cell coverage. If we had, say, a car accident or an emergency, it would
⏹️ ▶️ Marco be nice to be able to call somebody to contact somebody for help
⏹️ ▶️ Marco outside of self-coverage. And like, you know, yeah, while our horrible, you know, nuclear war scenarios
⏹️ ▶️ Marco are hopefully much less likely to happen, people all the time are driving cars through areas
⏹️ ▶️ Marco with no cell coverage. That’s a common everyday occurrence for tons of people, you know, for that kind of scenario,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco again, this is a major feature.
⏹️ ▶️ John I do wonder also what the deal was that with, you know, whatever company they’re paying to do this for what
⏹️ ▶️ John it for two years worth of service. Well, first of all, is it two years starting from today? Or is it two years starting from the time
⏹️ ▶️ John you buy your iPhone? That is not entirely clear to me. But anyway, it’s, you know, it’s not
⏹️ ▶️ John unlimited free forever. So there’s there’s some other shoe that may or may not drop in the future. Maybe they’ll come back to you
⏹️ ▶️ John now and say, Oh, actually, it’s free forever. But anyway, the feature that they put in there, like how we can compress everything and
⏹️ ▶️ John how, you know, like there’s essentially a wizard that you go through step by step that that asks
⏹️ ▶️ John you the questions that someone on an emergency phone call would ask you how many people are there is anybody injured, you know,
⏹️ ▶️ John like all those type of things is asking you those questions. So it can compose a few very
⏹️ ▶️ John short to the point sentences that it will send in one message rather than the back and forth with the 16
⏹️ ▶️ John minute route rate of time or you going help 15 seconds. Who are you? I’m
⏹️ ▶️ John so and so how How many people are there? Is anybody injured? Like that back and forth would take forever. So it goes through the wizard
⏹️ ▶️ John and it, you know, and it didn’t show you what it forms, but presumably it forms a nice, concise description.
⏹️ ▶️ John And my snarky tweet, which I think is a real true thing, is email clients should have this feature. So there’s nothing worse
⏹️ ▶️ John than people who can’t write an email and they send an email with one question. It’s like back and forth and back and forth
⏹️ ▶️ John and back. Just say it all in one sentence. Here’s who I am, here’s what I want,
⏹️ ▶️ John here’s all the information you’re gonna need, here’s what I’m looking for from you. It’s like, well, if you don’t know how to send
⏹️ ▶️ John an email, the new version of Apple Mail will have
⏹️ ▶️ John that will guide you through the process of sending an email with all the relevant information so you don’t have to go back
⏹️ ▶️ John and forth 50 times with a three hour turnaround time each time because everybody’s not at their computers.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco It’s the new Clippy. It’s like, it looks like you’re trying to invite somebody to an event. Have you clearly communicated where
⏹️ ▶️ Marco this event is, when it is, what is required? Like
⏹️ ▶️ John who’s invited, what you should bring with you, what is the dress code, you know, what is the rain plan? Like anyway,
⏹️ ▶️ John so that’s it. But anyway, part of that is like, I do wonder if their deal is for
⏹️ ▶️ John some fixed amount or some maximum amount of data that will get sent.
⏹️ ▶️ John Obviously, people aren’t gonna be using this recreationally, it doesn’t have a use outside of the actual SOS scenarios, but
⏹️ ▶️ John Apple has to do some math and say, here’s roughly the data that we expect to come from all the
⏹️ ▶️ John iPhone users who buy these phones. How many of them will ever need to use this? When they use it, how much data will it take?
⏹️ ▶️ John So they do that math and say, okay, we think it’s gonna be X amount of data we’re gonna pay you Y amount of money. And part of
⏹️ ▶️ John making that cheaper for Apple to pay for everybody’s service is to make everybody send
⏹️ ▶️ John as little as possible. Now, maybe the Garmin thing also massively compresses data when it sends it, I don’t know the deal, but
⏹️ ▶️ John this entire feature seems tuned to be efficient with people’s time because time is
⏹️ ▶️ John of the essence when you’re in an SOS emergency type scenario, but also efficient with data, which
⏹️ ▶️ John probably helps Apple’s bottom line.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey There’s something else interesting that they talked about And I didn’t get a clear understanding of it,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey but they said, you know, it’s free for the first two years, the text message wizard, it’s available in November
⏹️ ▶️ Casey in US and Canada, but they also said that it can relay both text and audio, which I was very
⏹️ ▶️ Casey surprised by. And they specifically said relay, and they showed this diagram of your iPhone talking
⏹️ ▶️ Casey to a satellite, talking to a ground station that receives data from the satellite, then it
⏹️ ▶️ Casey is connected to a relay center, and then that’s connected to emergency services. And I’m not
⏹️ ▶️ Casey entirely clear what this relay center is doing, but the implication that I got from it, at least my limited
⏹️ ▶️ Casey understanding so far, is that that’s run by Apple. Like Apple is establishing these relay centers,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey or maybe it’s just one big relay center somewhere, that’s going to do this communication in
⏹️ ▶️ Casey between the emergency services and whatever satellite connection it is that’s talking to the satellites to talk
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah, my interpretation of that is that there are certain areas of the world where
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Apple can, or where the satellite company, or whoever is running this emergency program can just send everything digitally,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco like for dispatching emergency services. And there’s certain areas where they can’t do that and they have to like call 911 or
⏹️ ▶️ Marco call the local equivalent of that or whatever, or call a helicopter rescue company or whatever. And so
⏹️ ▶️ Marco it seems like they have, the Relay Center seems like it’s a call center, where it’s like,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco they get a request from somebody that cannot be dispatched digitally to the local services and so they dispatch it by phone.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco But I don’t think audio is going from the person on the iPhone all the way to the satellite.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I think they’re clearly doing some kind of very, very low
⏹️ ▶️ Marco bit text encoding, basically a fancy version of Huffman coding probably that they’ve worked
⏹️ ▶️ Marco out with these satellite providers. Like, all right, we’re going to spend like seven bits to express this
⏹️ ▶️ Marco very common thing, plus a couple of bytes for the location, and that’s it.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Yeah. All in all, I think that’s super cool. When it was spring break this past
⏹️ ▶️ Casey school year, you know, a few months ago now, me and Aaron and the kids, we went to
⏹️ ▶️ Casey the Shendo National Park and we went on some hikes. And for the most part,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey we were without cell coverage on these hikes. And granted, we were not doing anything particularly challenging, but
⏹️ ▶️ Casey you never know, you know, it’s not called an accident because you did it on purpose. And so you never know what could happen.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey And to have something like this would be really, really, really cool. So I wouldn’t,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey you know, one could call for help if you really needed it. in a place that, that,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey you know, a lot of people go to, you know, Shenandoah National Park is not a, like
⏹️ ▶️ Casey out in the middle of nowhere kind of place. It’s just that mountain ranges are really hard to get good cell
⏹️ ▶️ Casey coverage on. And like, uh, if you’re a skier, you know, I haven’t been skiing in probably a decade, but
⏹️ ▶️ Casey I know that a lot of ski slopes, at least in my neck of the woods, the cell coverage is terrible. Again, mountains, hard, difficult.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Often, sometimes they are a little bit in the middle of nowhere. And so if you’re a skier or snowboarder or what have you, this
⏹️ ▶️ Casey could be really helpful. What if you’re on a boat that’s far away from the mainland? You’re off the coast
⏹️ ▶️ Casey of the United States or Canada, and you’re far enough away from the mainland, you don’t have cell coverage. Again,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey that’s not an entirely unrealistic thing. Like, regular people go hiking. Regular people go
⏹️ ▶️ Casey skiing. This isn’t just for the lunatic wearing the Apple Watch
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Explorer and going through the Mojave Desert. This is for regular people,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey too. And so I’m super into this. I think this is great.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco The only kind of odd thing about it is that it only is launching in the US and Canada at first,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco and they didn’t give a timeline for the rest of the world. I thought that was kind of interesting for a worldwide service.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Or is it not a worldwide service? Like, are they only using certain satellites? But I don’t know.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco That to me is a little bit odd. Steven
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Penner Nonetheless, wrapping up for the 14, they did not raise prices, I don’t believe. 700, excuse me, $800
⏹️ ▶️ Casey for the 14 and $900 for the 14+.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Plus. They never mentioned capacities, I don’t believe, on any of these other than to say that the 14
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Pro can go up to a terabyte, but I don’t think they ever mentioned like what the delineations are, what the
⏹️ ▶️ Casey base capacities are, anything like that. They did make mention that a lot of carriers do have deals where you
⏹️ ▶️ Casey can get a whole pile of money off, including up to $800 in the United States apparently. Pre-orders
⏹️ ▶️ Casey this coming Friday at 8am Eastern. Thank you so very much. I really do not miss the 3
⏹️ ▶️ Casey a.m. Eastern wake-ups. It will be available, the 14 will be available on the
⏹️ ▶️ Casey 16th, so a week from Friday, and then the 14 plus not available until October 7th, which was
⏹️ ▶️ Casey a little surprising, but you know, not that long for now.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco And also as far as we know, besides like screen size and battery size,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco there appear to be no differences between the 14 and 14 plus and also between
⏹️ ▶️ Marco the 14 Pro and 14 Pro Max. It seems like everything is the same between the two sizes of each respective
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Yep, that’s a really good point.
⏹️ ▶️ John I should also point out the, what appears to be the exporting of boring Pro colors to the non-Pro line.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco colors this year, we have, just like the watch, we have fewer options and they’re
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Yeah, I don’t dig that. I mean, and I’m also a little bummed because I did the, I’m gonna get the actual names wrong, but like Forest
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Green two years ago, I did the Midnight Blue or whatever last year. Now, admittedly, I’m putting,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey or at least this year, I put my phone in a case and surprisingly I didn’t shatter it. Who’d have thunk it?
⏹️ ▶️ Casey But anyways, I’m putting these phones in cases anyway, but I don’t know. I really like the green I really like the blue
⏹️ ▶️ Casey for me personally The purple doesn’t really do much for me,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey obviously there are people who will say the opposite So, I don’t know. I wish there were more vibrant and more interesting colors
⏹️ ▶️ Casey for all of the phones
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I will say the the cases this year from Apple have really good orange colors
⏹️ ▶️ Casey and they brought back the black leather case Which I’ve already ordered. Yeah, so I’m excited about that, too Thank
iPhone 14 Pro
⏹️ ▶️ Casey So I guess we should just talk about the 14 Pro, and this is when JAWS came out. All of us knew
⏹️ ▶️ Casey that it was either going to be, what was it, like, John had called it a horizontal eye, which is actually a very good
⏹️ ▶️ Casey description. Was it a hole punch and lozenge, or whatever? There were several different ways to describe
⏹️ ▶️ Casey it. And then very recently, in the last month or so, we started hearing rumblings that, oh, no, no, no,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey no. Whether or not that’s the actual sensor situation, it’s just going to be one
⏹️ ▶️ Casey oval, one lozenge, one pill, whatever you would want to call it, that it’s going
⏹️ ▶️ Casey to be the sensor area. It’s not going to have a circle, a little bit of screen,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey and then a oval. It’s just going to be one big, long oval. And we all thought, OK,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey that’s fine, whatever.
⏹️ ▶️ John And also, right just before, the latest breaking rumor was, oh, and by the way, it will be lozenge-shaped.
⏹️ ▶️ John And also, those pixels that are in between, that they’re turning off to make the lozenge shape, they’ll
⏹️ ▶️ John also use them to show stuff, because those are still screen pixels. And so they’re taking advantage of OLEDs
⏹️ ▶️ John only lighting up the pixels that you need. And so they showed a bunch of screenshots of saying, hey, the little light that comes
⏹️ ▶️ John on to show you that the camera is recording and that the microphone is on, they can put those in the part of screen,
⏹️ ▶️ John you know, between the dot on the eye and the stem on the eye. And so that’s kind of the extent that the rumors
⏹️ ▶️ John got. They’re like, basically it’s gonna be lozenge shaped, but Apple is going to use the pixels
⏹️ ▶️ John there to display information. And I feel like if we had like two more days of rumors, we would have got the rest of this stuff too.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Um, they showed a demo of this thing and how it’s going to work.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Holy freaking cow. It looks so cool. Like I am so flabbergasted
⏹️ ▶️ Casey that this is what they came up with. Cause I did not expect it to be anywhere near as cool as this. I don’t even know how to describe it, but I would
⏹️ ▶️ Casey like to get out of the way because I’m really enthusiastic about this. Can I just, please just take a moment and get out of the way.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey I’ve only been in the Apple world since like the iPod nano, but that
⏹️ ▶️ Casey doesn’t really count. I’ve only been in the Apple computing world since the polycarbonate
⏹️ ▶️ Casey MacBook. My first iPhone was an iPhone 3GS. I
⏹️ ▶️ Casey do not have the longevity that John has, or even Marco. Can you gentlemen find
⏹️ ▶️ Casey a worse name than Dynamic Island? Because holy freaking crap, I hate that name so much. Oh, it’s a
⏹️ ▶️ John Oh, I hate it. So when I wrote that tweet, I wrote the tweet about the name. And the
⏹️ ▶️ John first time I wrote the tweet, it was like, this is one of the worst names Apple has chosen in recent years in
⏹️ ▶️ John that saying something. But when I was typing it, I’m like, that’s not really what I mean. I don’t really mean worst.
⏹️ ▶️ John So I changed the word worst to strangest because I think that captures, it’s not an
⏹️ ▶️ John embarrassing name, it’s not a bad name, but boy, is it weird. Like if you’re in a brainstorming meeting about
⏹️ ▶️ John what are we gonna call this feature and to describe the feature, basically like the oval,
⏹️ ▶️ John in addition to using the pixels that are between the oval, they also incorporate the oval into the UI. So the oval grows
⏹️ ▶️ John to show additional information. This is answers the question that I asked last week. Hey, what are they? What advantage
⏹️ ▶️ John does this oval has? But it seems like it might have disadvantages in that it might extend lower in the screen. So what advantages
⏹️ ▶️ John does it have? And the advantage is that it’s narrower than even the narrowest notch, which means that it has room to expand
⏹️ ▶️ John because Apple already has UI conventions for when the notch is wider, right? That’s still in there.
⏹️ ▶️ John So you can make that lozenge wider and display stuff in it. And you can make a little piece
⏹️ ▶️ John of it pop off and have a little status information. It’s like they’ve incorporated it into the UI. Like when, previously
⏹️ ▶️ John when elements would just come and be displayed on your screen, now if those elements themselves are rounded rectangles,
⏹️ ▶️ John they appear to expand out of the lozenge or whatever. We keep calling it the lozenge, but that’s not what they call
⏹️ ▶️ John it. They call it the dynamic island.
⏹️ ▶️ John right. It’s dynamic. Like it changes size and shape. Little pieces come off
⏹️ ▶️ John of it. Things animate into and out of it. And I
⏹️ ▶️ John it’s an island, kind of, but like it’s, you know, it doesn’t matter.
⏹️ ▶️ John No one’s ever gonna call it the dynamic island, but it’s just, it’s one of those names that is too,
⏹️ ▶️ John it’s too generic. Neither of those words is connected in any way with
⏹️ ▶️ John a hardware feature or a software feature. Dynamic, there’s no, like for example, dock.
⏹️ ▶️ John Like if they had used the word dock, it’s like, well, we’re very familiar with the idea that on a computer screen,
⏹️ ▶️ John there can be something called a dock that is this region that is like stuck to a screen edge or whatever, right? But
⏹️ ▶️ John island is not a term of art in the computer world for a UI element that is not stuck to the edge.
⏹️ ▶️ John And dynamic is just whatever, changing, right? So that’s, you know, it doesn’t matter.
⏹️ ▶️ John In the grand scheme, it doesn’t really matter, but Dynamic Island is one of the most deeply strange
⏹️ ▶️ John names that Apple has ever chosen for a feature. I don’t like
⏹️ ▶️ Marco it. See this, I actually like it because this is the, what they’ve
⏹️ ▶️ Marco shown, and you know, we haven’t really used this yet. We’ve just seen the marketing video basically, but
⏹️ ▶️ Marco what they’ve shown, it shows a couple of things I think are really clever design.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco First of all, it’s bouncy and it shows whimsy and it shows personality.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John And these are things
⏹️ ▶️ Marco that we have not been able to associate with the Alan Dye era of design yet.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco It’s almost like Alan Dye found his personality finally. And look, you know how much I don’t
⏹️ ▶️ Marco like his work on the Mac especially. But I will give credit where
⏹️ ▶️ Marco due. This looks, again, we haven’t used it yet, but it looks like really
⏹️ ▶️ Marco good design because it’s taking this space that is basically
⏹️ ▶️ Marco a dead zone. You have these two sensors, you have a few pixels between them, and then you have the status bar
⏹️ ▶️ Marco around them. And you have this little gap above it that you can’t do much with, and the status bar
⏹️ ▶️ Marco has been kind of crowded in recent years and has had a lot of stuff coming in and out
⏹️ ▶️ Marco of it as different versions of iOS add more and more features to it, as the world
⏹️ ▶️ Marco around it gets more complicated, and as the hardware around it changes to have more or less space for it.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco So what they’ve done here with the Dynamic Island, which I’m not, I don’t think it’s
⏹️ ▶️ Marco as bad a name as you think it is.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John What they’ve done
⏹️ ▶️ Marco they’ve taken a hardware downside of, well you have the hole
⏹️ ▶️ Marco in the screen now from these sensors, right? They’ve taken this hardware downside and they’ve turned it into
⏹️ ▶️ Marco a feature instead of a bug and they’ve given it personality and utility. And they’ve integrated a lot
⏹️ ▶️ Marco of stuff into it that used to either be part of the control center screen or was
⏹️ ▶️ Marco kind of buried in different other parts of the status bar area or in different modes. And by the way, you know, the
⏹️ ▶️ Marco whole live activity integration thing where, we don’t have, developers don’t have access to this yet, but
⏹️ ▶️ Marco the live activities API announced this summer, which is coming, you know, quote, later this
⏹️ ▶️ Marco fall and some other update, probably 16.1, that is going to give us these kind of, this kind of like
⏹️ ▶️ Marco live widget thing for apps to use. and that’s, you know, the dynamic
⏹️ ▶️ Marco island is going to be a place you can have a live activity running all the time. So it’s almost like you’re
⏹️ ▶️ Marco getting some of the benefits of split-screen multitasking on a device that doesn’t have room
⏹️ ▶️ Marco for it, and that’s amazing. And so I actually really like this so far. The only downside,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco a few people on Twitter were pointing out that might be a downside is that the very top
⏹️ ▶️ Marco edge of your phone is the hardest part of your phone to reach if you’re using the phone one-handed. So
⏹️ ▶️ Marco that could be a bit of a downside, but for the most part, other than that, this looks like
⏹️ ▶️ Marco it could be a huge home run. I love that it’s fun looking.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I love that it is taking a hardware downside and making a feature out of it.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco And I love that the rumor mill had absolutely no idea this was coming because all they knew was the positioning
⏹️ ▶️ Marco of the sensors and not at all any of the software around it. And the fact that it would even be shown as one unified
⏹️ ▶️ Marco thing until like two seconds ago. So this I’m very excited about this. I think
⏹️ ▶️ Marco this is this could be one of those things that once you’re accustomed to it,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco you’re like and you have to like, you know, use someone else’s maybe non pro phone or use an older phone, you’re
⏹️ ▶️ Marco going to be like, Oh my God, I’m missing that. It’s it’s so bad without that. Why is your notch all black and bigger
⏹️ ▶️ Marco and stuck to the top? Like you’re going to instantly get used to this and instantly take it for
⏹️ ▶️ Marco granted. And I think it has a lot of potential and I think it could be really cool.
⏹️ ▶️ John So the unanswered question still is, why isn’t it stuck to the top? Right? That’s wasted space as far as I’m
⏹️ ▶️ John concerned. I know it looks better aesthetically, but
⏹️ ▶️ John reason that the notch couldn’t have done everything that this thing does. Like, what we’re essentially
⏹️ ▶️ John celebrating here is the ability to have more information in the status bar
⏹️ ▶️ John that has a third-party angle integration with it, and that the implementation
⏹️ ▶️ John of which has a little bit of whimsy with the blobs coming off and everything. The notch could have totally done that.
⏹️ ▶️ John The problem with the notch was it was already pretty wide, especially the first notch. So there’s really not a lot of room for you
⏹️ ▶️ John to, there was too much of it was not pixels, right? And so you really had limited ability to do that.
⏹️ ▶️ John And the second was that I guess no one had just thought of this. Like they were hesitant to put things in the
⏹️ ▶️ John status bar. So now when they decided to do this, they knew they were gonna do the whole punch and so on and so forth. They probably talked about this.
⏹️ ▶️ John Maybe there’s a packaging reason why this can’t be up at the top, but this, and I still haven’t seen a good measurement in
⏹️ ▶️ John this, but like we want more room for our content below the part where
⏹️ ▶️ John the notch or the lozenge is, right? And so those pixels above the lozenge
⏹️ ▶️ John are not particularly valuable to the user. They would be more valuable if they were on the other side of it, but then it wouldn’t be a lozenge
⏹️ ▶️ John anymore. So I can’t tell if this was done for aesthetic reasons, right, because it does look nice to have a lozenge
⏹️ ▶️ John as opposed to something stuck to it. They could have just made it, here’s the new narrow dynamic notch, right? But
⏹️ ▶️ John then Apple never called it. Did they ever call it the notch? I forget what they called
⏹️ ▶️ Marco it. They called it the sensor housing.
⏹️ ▶️ John Yeah, it had a bad name, right? So this is a culmination of a lot of good ideas,
⏹️ ▶️ John none of which I think are specifically tied to a thing that goes down.
⏹️ ▶️ John And the other thing about it is like, when they get to the point where they don’t have to have any of this crap, everything’s underneath the screen, which
⏹️ ▶️ John they would love to go towards, it will still behoove them to essentially have a menu bar slash
⏹️ ▶️ John status bar that has all these dynamic features. But when they do that, it’s not gonna be down
⏹️ ▶️ John from the top. It’ll be jammed right up into the top because when it’s all screen, why would you leave that space? you’re just
⏹️ ▶️ John burning pixels that are no good to anyone, right? So I really hope when they go full screen and everything’s under the screen and however
⏹️ ▶️ John many years it takes to do that, that they continue all of these APIs, the live
⏹️ ▶️ John activities and everything, continue to let third party developers put information in there, because
⏹️ ▶️ John when that’s all pixels, you’ll be able to put so much more info, because right now you can’t put anything in the parts that don’t have
⏹️ ▶️ John pixels, like the sensors are there. When that is all pixels, there’ll be so much more room for,
⏹️ ▶️ John Essentially, user configurable, always visible information at the top of your
⏹️ ▶️ John phone. Kind of in the same way where they, you know, made the menu bar bigger on the Mac and that, you know, those pixels are like
⏹️ ▶️ John bonus pixels. I think we should start thinking about the top part of our phones as bonus pixels at
⏹️ ▶️ John some point in the future when those are all our pixels. But for now, there’s a giant hole in our phone and there’s a bunch
⏹️ ▶️ John of pixels above that that I think are mostly there just to look nice, which is
⏹️ ▶️ Marco But that’s a legitimate use, you know, like if if they if those pixels
⏹️ ▶️ Marco weren’t there, like I’m guessing, you know, you speculated a few minutes ago that like chances are
⏹️ ▶️ Marco like the housing is down from the top for a reason. You know, I’m guessing whatever hoops that jump
⏹️ ▶️ Marco through to get the notch to be smaller, they still couldn’t necessarily put everything as
⏹️ ▶️ Marco close to the edge to make it higher up.
⏹️ ▶️ John Yeah, and if that’s the case, I mean, if that’s the case, it kind of I find it suspicious that the amount
⏹️ ▶️ John that had to be down is this perfect, aesthetically pleasing amount, but maybe they just couldn’t get it to the top.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah. And maybe they edged it down a little bit because they couldn’t get all the way to the top to make it look more aesthetically pleasing. But
⏹️ ▶️ Marco you know, if you think about like the design of the dynamic island, you know, if
⏹️ ▶️ Marco the way they show it is like, you know, it has these skinny modes where it stays its regular height. but
⏹️ ▶️ Marco then, you know, something like a notification or the face ID, um, you know, little activity blob that it can,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco it expands downward and, and sometimes, uh, horizontally as well.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Now, if you think about if that was pinned to the top of the screen, that would look really crappy.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco It would not look right.
⏹️ ▶️ John just have to have a different animation. Like when it’s not, it would have to, it wouldn’t be rounded on both sides. It wouldn’t
⏹️ ▶️ John just be the lodge and his gender at the top of the edge. It would be the notch. Remember how excited they were about the curves on the notch? They were like, look at these, look
⏹️ ▶️ John at these curves that we made for the notch, this little S curve is like specially designed and we worked really hard on it. They’re
⏹️ ▶️ John so proud of that. It would have to be a different animation but they could still animate. Like a lot of the things they’ve chosen to do, like
⏹️ ▶️ John existing features now animate out of the lozenge. I keep not calling
⏹️ ▶️ John it that, I don’t know, tough luck. Existing features animate out of the lozenge. There’s no reason for them to animate
⏹️ ▶️ John out of the lozenge other than just uniformity and niceness. It’s like well the lozenge is there and we’re about to show a big black
⏹️ ▶️ John rounded rectangle at the top of your screen might as well animated. I didn’t animate out of lozenge before,
⏹️ ▶️ John before it just came down from the top or appeared out of nowhere. Now the lodgings is there, we can animate out of it. So if
⏹️ ▶️ John it wasn’t a lodgings, but was instead a notch, it would animate out of the notch, but in a different way
⏹️ ▶️ John than animating out of the lozenge. Like maybe it would ooze out or I don’t, I don’t know. There’s lots of things you can do.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey I don’t know. I’m just, again, like Marco said several times, we haven’t used this yet. Maybe it’s garbage,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey but from the marketing video we saw, I think this looks so freaking cool.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey And I am so excited to try this. Other than that, there isn’t,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey I don’t know, there isn’t that much until we get to the camera though, right? And the camera, well,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey let’s wait on the camera, I’m sorry. Let’s talk about the A16. Seems like it’s largely more of
⏹️ ▶️ Casey the same, or am I wrong about that?
⏹️ ▶️ Marco So it’s a four nanometer chip, which I think is, this is the first one, I believe.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco, Casey Oh, that’s true, that’s true.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Otherwise, it seems like a fairly incremental update. It still has the same
⏹️ ▶️ Marco core layout. They say performance cores are faster, they didn’t
⏹️ ▶️ Marco say by how much, and 20% lower power compared to A15. But then, again,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco they were playing a few little games with how they were expressing comparisons of performance here, because
⏹️ ▶️ Marco they were like, well, actually, our chip from three years
⏹️ ▶️ Marco ago, whatever is better than the competition. And here’s how much faster the A16 is than that
⏹️ ▶️ Marco or than the competition, not compared to last year’s chip. So it sounds
⏹️ ▶️ Marco like it’s not a huge improvement over the A15, but it’s still, you know, in absolute terms,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco these are all great chip sprint. But you know, in in in relative terms, I think
⏹️ ▶️ Marco this is probably a pretty incremental update
⏹️ ▶️ John when they were doing the core comparisons for power. Like I if they weren’t doing the whole SOC, I do
⏹️ ▶️ John have to wonder if when we talk about the camera, like the the the image processing
⏹️ ▶️ John that handles those 48 megapixels, maybe that does that subvert the power gain
⏹️ ▶️ John from the you know, the the power usage gain from the power cores that are more efficient, right? Because
⏹️ ▶️ John I have a hard time believing that Apple wouldn’t have spent basically all of the power budget on computational
⏹️ ▶️ John features, especially with all the features that they are touting related to this camera, and especially with the pure amount
⏹️ ▶️ John of pixels that it’s processing compared to, even though it does pixel binning, they made it a point to say that lots of their
⏹️ ▶️ John new steps in the photonic engine work on uncompressed data and work on all pixels.
⏹️ ▶️ John And, you know, we’ll get to the camera in a second. And there is situations where they do have 48 megapixels. And then they showed
⏹️ ▶️ John in the SOC, our new image engine and blah, blah, blah. And I have to think that stuff is gonna
⏹️ ▶️ John eat up some of their power budget.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco One also, one thing they added that I think is new with the A16, they called
⏹️ ▶️ Marco out that there’s a new section of it called the display engine. And they said this drives parts
⏹️ ▶️ Marco of the always on display situation as well as some quote advanced
⏹️ ▶️ Marco anti aliasing for the dynamic island. So that’s interesting.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I’m not sure exactly. I mean, I know what entails thing is. I’m not sure exactly what that all means relative to
⏹️ ▶️ Marco what the GPU was doing, but it seems like it might be
⏹️ ▶️ Marco some kind of like additional GPU accelerator or maybe a lower power GPU that can keep active
⏹️ ▶️ John I mean, they did make a point of how proud they were of the anti-aliasing around the original notch, but I
⏹️ ▶️ John imagine that wasn’t due to a second execution unit. But yeah, the always on screen and anything having to do with that, especially
⏹️ ▶️ John since things that can happen on the always on screen, maybe you can have animations out of the notch in that situation.
⏹️ ▶️ John You don’t want to power up the GPU to make that happen, but you do need something to do all of the, you know, compositing and everything.
⏹️ ▶️ John So maybe the display engine handles those scenarios.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah, I think that’s most likely, or some kind of like fancy display driver that is needed to do some of this stuff. But either
⏹️ ▶️ Marco way, it seems like it’s like, it’s something that is probably lower power than having a GPU running
⏹️ ▶️ Casey And speaking of the display, I accidentally jumped right over that. So there’s new pro display. Marco, you noted earlier
⏹️ ▶️ Casey that it is ever so slightly bigger than the 13 pro, but still 6.1 and 6.7 inches,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey 460 points per inch, thinner borders, peak HDR of 1600 nits,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey which is the same as your hilariously overpriced monitors. Cheaper than
⏹️ ▶️ Casey a Panerai. That’s true.
⏹️ ▶️ John It’s also the same as the MacBook Pros.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Yep. They also made mention, apparently there’s 2000 nits in sunshine for 14 fricking nanoseconds
⏹️ ▶️ Casey before it thermally throttles itself, I’m quite sure. But hey, at least for those 14 seconds, it’ll be really fricking
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah, this was weird. It was like, all right, we have 1600 nit peak HDR brightness,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco which does not mean peak brightness in regular usage, and 2,000 nits outdoors
⏹️ ▶️ Marco sometimes, unspecified as to when that can happen. It only outdoors?
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Is that HDR only? Or can that show my email at 2,000 nits? Like, I don’t know.
⏹️ ▶️ John light sensor is activating that, that’s what I assume. Like, it senses that it’s in full sunlight, and if it’s like the winter,
⏹️ ▶️ John then it will go up at 2,000 nits. So they did make mention, I think in the Plane 14,
⏹️ ▶️ John some cooling advances or something. They didn’t dive into that, so I’m guessing there’s no vapor
⏹️ ▶️ John chamber hiding in there, but I believe they did actually make a mention of superior cooling. We’ll see how
⏹️ ▶️ John this works out. The four nanometer chip might help. You know, like maybe they’ve learned some lessons
⏹️ ▶️ John from the 13 in terms of cooling, but they didn’t make any bold claims
⏹️ ▶️ John about the ability to withstand direct sunlight for longer or whatever. So
⏹️ ▶️ John have to get the units and see how it works.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco That being said, I mean, like I wouldn’t rule out vapor chamber stuff yet until we have a teardown because that’s exactly the kind of thing
⏹️ ▶️ Marco they would not really feel worth mentioning.
⏹️ ▶️ John It depends. Sometimes they do dive into that, but maybe there wouldn’t be time to go into it. It seems like something they would brag about,
⏹️ ▶️ John but we’ll see what’s going on inside these things. Oh, and Casey said that the, you know, as Mark pointed out, the screen is slightly
⏹️ ▶️ John bigger. I just want to quantify that so people know, right? So the the 13 pro was 1170. These are pixels, right? 1170 pixels
⏹️ ▶️ John wide. The new one is 1179. So you get nine additional
⏹️ ▶️ John pixels, right? So it’s,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey close. Well, and then in height, it’s also a little bit different too.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah, but we’re talking like, you know, a few
⏹️ ▶️ Marco or whatever. Yeah, it’s not, we’re not talking much.
⏹️ ▶️ John Yeah, but it is interesting that it is different. I mean, this kind of goes to, it goes to show that when Apple is designing
⏹️ ▶️ John these things, it is like, I saw someone complain, oh, why don’t they ever change the phone?
⏹️ ▶️ John It’s the same design. You know, kind of like how the watch is, quote unquote, the same design, setting aside the Ultra,
⏹️ ▶️ John that is just kind of this rounded thing on your wrist. It does change in subtle ways. The dimensions change,
⏹️ ▶️ John right? And when the dimensions change, the screens change, and like, you know, it does move around
⏹️ ▶️ John a little bit. And it also do with like everything that goes into this. Those big cameras, whatever sensors they
⏹️ ▶️ John had to put in for the front-facing thing, the lack of a SIM tray, the size of the battery they want, the motherboard,
⏹️ ▶️ John the A16, like, they’re not gonna constrain themselves to say, this has to be down to the
⏹️ ▶️ John millimeter, the same size as the 13 Pro. And it’s not, it is close, because they don’t want to make a differently
⏹️ ▶️ John sized product, but they’re, you know, it’s a balance between all
⏹️ ▶️ John the things that has to go into this. And so you end up with a screen that is not exactly the same size, but it’s almost, and this is
⏹️ ▶️ John a different screen. It has higher peak brightness. It has the cutout in it. Like there’s probably constraints with that.
⏹️ ▶️ John So I feel like every piece of this product is designed to come together
⏹️ ▶️ John to be a whole. And it doesn’t just look just like the older one, because it’s got flat sides and everything, but it is itself
⏹️ ▶️ John like, like I was, you know, it’s kind of like when the, when car manufacturers want to brag, like this is a new 911, right?
⏹️ ▶️ John That doesn’t look like a new 911, it looks just like the old 911. It’s like, well, how many parts are shared within
⏹️ ▶️ John the old 911 and the new 911? I would imagine that there are way fewer parts shared between
⏹️ ▶️ John the 14 Pro and the 13 Pro than between any two successive generations of 911s. Yes,
⏹️ ▶️ John even though it looks the same, the cameras are different, the SOC different, The motherboard is different, the screen
⏹️ ▶️ John is different. Even the band of stainless steel that’s around the outside, where all the little antenna lines,
⏹️ ▶️ John like I would imagine almost every part, maybe not the Taptic Engine, but almost every part in this thing
⏹️ ▶️ John is different. Even though you look at it and say, oh, it’s the same phone, it’s not really, it’s
⏹️ ▶️ John just not outwardly different. And for people asking, when are they gonna come up with a new phone,
⏹️ ▶️ John we’re still waiting for the Periscope cameras, which will flatten that back out maybe next year.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco And the USB-C port maybe next year. Yes.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco realize just now as you were talking about this, we totally skipped talking about the always on display, which is a pretty
⏹️ ▶️ John We talked about it last week, but I think the modifier, the thing I complained about is last week, it’s like, oh, it’s gonna be so
⏹️ ▶️ John limited. You can only put certain things on there and they’re gonna be modern from, people wanna see a picture of their kids and Apple’s like, guess
⏹️ ▶️ John what picture of your kid? And we adjust it so the skin tones still look good. Like it’s there, they’re lighting
⏹️ ▶️ John up so many pixels. They’re not lighting them up that much, but they’re like, we’re gonna light up the whole back of the phone.
⏹️ ▶️ John you’ll be able to see your entire wallpaper, lock screen thing, and then on top of that,
⏹️ ▶️ John we’ll put the time and other things like that. And I was very surprised by it, and I think that’ll make a lot of people happy.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah, that I would never, I mean, I didn’t guess, I would never have guessed that they would have
⏹️ ▶️ Marco basically full color, full screen, always on, just lower brightness. And again, this
⏹️ ▶️ Marco kind of remains to be seen, like how low brightness is it? And is there a meaningful difference
⏹️ ▶️ Marco in battery life, for instance, if you pick an all black wallpaper for
⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John your lock screen,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco probably, but whether it matters to you is a different story, or whether it’s a large percentage of battery
⏹️ ▶️ Marco life is a different story, we don’t know that yet. But that surprised me greatly, and
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I’m glad they did it in the sense that it will be overall more capable and more flexible
⏹️ ▶️ Marco this way. And yeah, time will tell on whether you actually want to put a picture of a sunset
⏹️ ▶️ Marco or whatever on there, or your kid’s face or whatever, but I will say I will kind of
⏹️ ▶️ Marco miss my weather face if I end up having to go for like a black background because I’ve been using the weather
⏹️ ▶️ Marco one all summer with iOS 16 betas and it’s been fantastic, but I probably won’t have the animated rain
⏹️ ▶️ Marco if it’s in the dim mode. Do
⏹️ ▶️ John you get to pick a different picture? Is this like a yet another picture or does it have to be the same as your lock screen?
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I’ll see if the simulator can do it. Keep going, I’ll see. Let me see, hold down to
⏹️ ▶️ Marco, Casey customize. And
⏹️ ▶️ Casey then while Marco’s working on that, Marco, you also realized that the phones keep
⏹️ ▶️ Casey, Marco The 12 Pro, 189
⏹️ ▶️ Casey grams, the 13 Pro, 204 grams, the 14 Pro, 206 grams.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Only two more grams than the 13 Pro, but it’s- You’ll be okay with the two
⏹️ ▶️ Marco But it seems like there’s not a second setting for like the dim wallpaper versus the
⏹️ ▶️ Marco locked wallpaper. It seems like
⏹️ ▶️ John it’s the same setting. Yeah, the big jump from 189 to 204, you could notice that. Marco’s not gonna notice the two gram difference.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco No, it’s still gonna feel like a phone that’s way heavier than I want it to be, but it’s not
⏹️ ▶️ Marco yet. I’m not gonna notice it being heavier than the 13. Certainly not getting
⏹️ ▶️ Marco lighter anyway. No, which is a shame. And we didn’t even mention, you know, the Mini’s gone, which
⏹️ ▶️ Marco is, I think, a shame. And as awesome as all these phones are, they’re all
⏹️ ▶️ Marco big and most of them are very heavy, and that’s not great.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I wish they would continue the small line and we’ll see what happens with the mini.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco That discussion is for another day though.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Yeah, okay, let’s talk camera. So the predictions are true, 48 megapixel,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey but generally speaking, they’re doing the whole quad pixel, pixel binning thing that we talked about either last week or the week before.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey The sensor is 65% bigger. There’s also a 2X telephoto
⏹️ ▶️ Casey option. You’re welcome, Marco Arment.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco asterisk, asterisk.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey So the way this works is it uses the middle 12 pixels of one of the cameras, I didn’t catch which
⏹️ ▶️ Casey, Marco one. The main.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Okay, from the main camera to do a full size, full resolution 2X photo,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey which is pretty neat. And in practice, we’ll see if it’s good
⏹️ ▶️ Casey, John or not. It’s
⏹️ ▶️ John still gonna be better than any 2X camera Apple has ever shipped, unfortunately.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I know, so yeah, so there’s good news and bad news. The bad news is
⏹️ ▶️ Marco that not only is there still no 2X camera, it’s still 3X, but also
⏹️ ▶️ Marco the 3X camera seems to have had no changes whatsoever to it, at least in the hardware. It is
⏹️ ▶️ Marco getting the new improved processing pipeline in the software, but the
⏹️ ▶️ Marco 3X hardware appears to be unchanged.
⏹️ ▶️ John That’s something that I’ve been thinking about looking at these cameras, like you got the main camera,
⏹️ ▶️ John the ultra-wide, the 3X, right? Why do we get to this
⏹️ ▶️ John point where cameras, phones used to have zero, then one camera, but why do we have multiple cameras
⏹️ ▶️ John on the back of our phone? Well, it’s because one camera can’t do the job that we want the phones to do.
⏹️ ▶️ John So it’s like we have, you know, an interchangeable lens camera, but instead of interchangeable
⏹️ ▶️ John lens, it’s like three complete cameras because they all have their own sensors behind them, right?
⏹️ ▶️ John It would be and then when you do this, like, okay, you have a budget, okay, well, we got to where are we going
⏹️ ▶️ John to spend our money? Well, it makes sense to spend most of it on the main camera. It’s 48 megapixels. Why does a 3x1 not get better?
⏹️ ▶️ John Is there no better 3x camera? Well, there is, but there’s a price that you have to try to aim for, right?
⏹️ ▶️ John You can’t make every camera the best camera unless you’re gonna make a whole new class of phone that’s like the
⏹️ ▶️ John iPhone Ultra. But ideally, what we would prefer is to just have one really
⏹️ ▶️ John good camera that can cover a reasonable range. 1X to 3X, 0.5 to 3X.
⏹️ ▶️ John That’s a thing you could do pretty easily with a real camera with a real lens, but on the back
⏹️ ▶️ John of a phone, not so much. And I don’t think the Periscope camera is gonna help with that at all. I don’t think you’re gonna see
⏹️ ▶️ John a mechanical moving element to doing optical zooms inside the thing, at least not in the very first Periscope camera. It’s mostly just gonna
⏹️ ▶️ John help you get rid of the bump. But it is kind of an oddity of technology
⏹️ ▶️ John that the solution to the problem of camera versatility in smartphones was,
⏹️ ▶️ John let’s just keep adding more cameras. And when you do that, there’s always gonna be the favorite camera, the
⏹️ ▶️ John main camera, and then the lesser cameras. And it really, we’re getting into a situation now where
⏹️ ▶️ John the main camera is so much better than for example, the 3X camera, that
⏹️ ▶️ John when it comes time to do 2X, no one’s asking the 3X camera to help. You’re like, oh, 3X camera,
⏹️ ▶️ John you’re so adorable. You stay over there. Let the main camera handle it. Believe it will crop off
⏹️ ▶️ John half my pixels and I’ll still take a better picture than you because you haven’t changed since last year. Just sit
⏹️ ▶️ John there. I know you’ve got a nice 3X optical thing. You know, you can get that 3X, you can do
⏹️ ▶️ John that extra reach, but don’t worry about 2X, we’ll handle it for you. And then the ultra wide similar.
⏹️ ▶️ John Yes, you have the glass that gives you the big fish eye view, but we’re not gonna ask you to do anything. You’re just for big group
⏹️ ▶️ John shots, ultra wide, and you can do macro too, I guess, right? It’s such a weird situation, such a weird
⏹️ ▶️ John technologically compromised situation that I hope I live long enough to see resolved into a situation
⏹️ ▶️ John where there’s just one really good camera on the back of my phone. We’ll tune in 10 years and we’ll
⏹️ ▶️ John revisit that fantasy. Yeah.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah, and the ultra wide did get optically better. It actually,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco and all of them actually have smaller apertures in absolute terms, but they
⏹️ ▶️ Marco have bigger, the ultra wide and the main have bigger
⏹️ ▶️ Marco sensors now. So that kind of balances it out in some ways. But yeah, so the ultra
⏹️ ▶️ Marco wide now has a bigger sensor. The, oh, and the ultra wide, I believe,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco oh no, they said the front camera has variable focus now, which I believe the front camera was always fixed focus
⏹️ ▶️ Marco before. front cameras on 14 and 14 Pro are now variable focus, which should be, you
⏹️ ▶️ Marco know, that’s usually a significant jump in quality. But yeah, so going back to the big camera,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco what will be interesting to see is like, how much does this new, you know, quad pixel
⏹️ ▶️ Marco arrangement with the Bayer color filters, how much does this impact actual results
⏹️ ▶️ Marco that we get? It’s probably, I would imagine the larger total sensor
⏹️ ▶️ Marco size is probably going to be much more responsible for quality increases than the
⏹️ ▶️ Marco quad pixel arrangement. And the quad pixel arrangement might only be very useful in
⏹️ ▶️ Marco like certain lighting conditions, probably good lighting conditions. So we’ll see how much it actually matters. I think
⏹️ ▶️ Marco ultimately though, what it’s doing is it’s giving the camera system
⏹️ ▶️ Marco more options and more data. So it can better adapt to different circumstances,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco to different light levels and things like that, maybe different HDR needs, whatever it is. Like there’s a lot
⏹️ ▶️ Marco of things you can do with having the quad bearer arrangement with like using the pixels a little bit differently
⏹️ ▶️ Marco depending on what you’re shooting and what the conditions are. So ultimately I don’t expect this
⏹️ ▶️ Marco to be, like if you’re expecting this to compete with like a 48
⏹️ ▶️ Marco megapixel Sony A7R, it’s not going to do that,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco it’s a different thing. But it will give really great
⏹️ ▶️ Marco results in all likelihood, like fantastic results at 12 megapixels most of the
⏹️ ▶️ Marco time. And yeah, the 48 megapixels are available in ProRAW for apps that use ProRAW,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco but that’s I think gonna be a fairly, you know, specialized audience of power
⏹️ ▶️ Marco users and photographers that most of us are never gonna see that kind of resolution, but we’re gonna see better quality
⏹️ ▶️ Marco 12 megapixel photos from this. And that I think is very, very good for, you know, for a year over year
⏹️ ▶️ Marco increase. And the only other thing that I, that gives me, that I thought was interesting, give me a little bit of pause,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco is that they changed the focal length of the main camera. They, it’s down
⏹️ ▶️ Marco to 24mm equivalent and normally I believe most recent iPhones
⏹️ ▶️ Marco and most iPhones ever have been closer to 28mm focal length equivalent.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco So it’s going to be very slightly wider zoomed out
⏹️ ▶️ Marco than it was before. and I don’t think this is gonna be a major thing that will
⏹️ ▶️ Marco massively impact anything, but I think you’ll notice. I think people
⏹️ ▶️ Marco will notice like, oh, my field of view is a little bit wider than it was before, and so it’s interesting.
⏹️ ▶️ John I think that might be a feature because I think that’s a, you know, I know they call that camera the wide camera,
⏹️ ▶️ John but what are people taking pictures of with their iPhones? Groups of people is probably a very popular subject
⏹️ ▶️ John for photography, and you don’t wanna have to ever switch off that main camera if you can possibly help
⏹️ ▶️ John it. If you’re as a group of people and you really have space constraints, yeah, you can go to ultra wide, but if you’ve ever
⏹️ ▶️ John done that, you know that the people at the edge of that picture look all distorted, right? Because it’s ultra wide, it’s like a fisheye type thing.
⏹️ ▶️ John The people on the edges of the frame are not going to look the way they look in real life. So giving a
⏹️ ▶️ John little bit more of a wide angle in situations where you can walk back one or two steps without falling off a cliff,
⏹️ ▶️ John I think 24 is a reasonable, reasonable, what do you call it? focal
⏹️ ▶️ John length for the main camera, even though we may be used to 28 or whatever.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah, so overall, I am extremely looking forward to
⏹️ ▶️ Marco this phone, but frankly, the camera is almost incidental, like of course I’m gonna
⏹️ ▶️ Marco get a better camera with the new phone. I’m actually most excited with this phone about the display
⏹️ ▶️ Marco and notch changes. Like that to me is what I really want to experience here. Like I want to play
⏹️ ▶️ Marco with the always on display, I want to play with the dynamic island. Uh, like this
⏹️ ▶️ Marco is all stuff I’m very excited about. And so I really give them credit that they were able
⏹️ ▶️ Marco to cram in all this other amazing stuff to this phone that in a year that
⏹️ ▶️ Marco the camera also got what appears to be a pretty major upgrade, uh, that
⏹️ ▶️ Marco it isn’t even necessarily the thing that we talked about first like this and that we’re most excited about necessarily. That’s
⏹️ ▶️ John I’m I’m still most excited about the camera. Like I actually am excited about the 48 megapixel RAW
⏹️ ▶️ John thing just because I do tend to take pictures of quote unquote landscapes, even if it’s just around my neighborhood
⏹️ ▶️ John or whatever. In very bright sunlight, I would love to see what you can get out of this because that’s
⏹️ ▶️ John like an ideal scenario. You’re outside, it’s super bright sun, you can actually use those 48 megapixels.
⏹️ ▶️ John It’s kind of a shame that it seems like RAW is the only way to do, I mean, I guess third-party camera apps can do whatever the hell they want, but it seemed
⏹️ ▶️ John like what they were saying is, hey, you want a 48 megapixel image out of the Apple camera app, you have to use ProRAW,
⏹️ ▶️ John right? And obviously you need a lot of light, but I’m excited to try that. I’m kind
⏹️ ▶️ John of disappointed that the main camera is just leaving the other cameras in the dust, because I do
⏹️ ▶️ John use the other cameras from time to time, and I hate knowing that I’m going to be stepping down that far in quality,
⏹️ ▶️ John and it’s not the megapixels, it’s the size of the sensor. Like again, if you look at the outside, it’s three little, you know,
⏹️ ▶️ John stovetop burners, right? And the circles are all the same size. Remove those circles, if you could see the sensors
⏹️ ▶️ John under there, those cameras would look very different from each other, right? That the main camera sensor is much bigger than
⏹️ ▶️ John the other ones, and that makes a big difference. But yeah, I’m mostly excited about the cameras. I mean, again, I’m
⏹️ ▶️ John coming from an 11 pro, so I’ve already been jealous of my wife’s 13 pro and her camera. And if I’m
⏹️ ▶️ John going to suffer this gigantic camera Mesa, I want to get cool pictures out of it. So
⏹️ ▶️ John I’m looking, looking forward to that. What I’m not looking forward to is being able to find a case that gives me a
⏹️ ▶️ John bare bottom on my 14 pro. Yeah.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco The case situation, every year it resets because something changes dimensions slightly.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco And so I have to wait and see what’s gonna be my preferred
⏹️ ▶️ Marco clear or leather or silicone option. Who knows? I think I’m gonna get the Apple Clear case to start,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco but we’ll see. Because I love the orange leather look, but leather
⏹️ ▶️ Marco is not super compatible with my lifestyle on this dynamic island, which
⏹️ ▶️ Marco involves a lot of water at various times.
⏹️ ▶️ John It’s not just that the phones change from year to year. It’s that for me, at least personally, I haven’t been able to find
⏹️ ▶️ John a vendor that from year to year, I can rely on to make a case ever since Apple started wrapping the bottom.
⏹️ ▶️ John Like it’s Olexar, it’s my preferred brand. I’m gonna go see what they have. I don’t know if they’re even going to make a bare bottom case
⏹️ ▶️ John for the 14 Pro. So maybe I have to look for another one. Like I bought multiple cases for my 11 Pro. I’m gonna end up
⏹️ ▶️ John probably buying multiple cases for this one unless like Olexar literally has the same case, but in the 14 Pro.
⏹️ ▶️ John And Marco, you were like four cases for your last phone, trying to find the one that you want, because
⏹️ ▶️ John we can’t rely on, oh, every year I’m just gonna buy the X brand case for my phone, because I know from year to year it’ll be the
⏹️ ▶️ John same. Even if you’re like, oh, I’m an OtterBox devotee, I buy OtterBox cases for all my kids because they’re
⏹️ ▶️ John sturdy and they protect the phones. From year to year, one OtterBox case to another, they change the design
⏹️ ▶️ John in all sorts of ways. Ways that, there’s like no brand loyalty, no product
⏹️ ▶️ John loyalty, no, like, if you find a good case for your current phone, don’t assume that means that for
⏹️ ▶️ John your next phone you’ll be able to find anything like that case because that same vendor for the next phone may decide, oh, we’ve changed
⏹️ ▶️ John our mind and now it looks like this. It’s kind of annoying.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Finally, the 14 Pro and 14 Pro Max, also no price changes, much to our surprise.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey $1,000 for the 14 Pro, $1,100 for the Pro Max. You pre-order this coming Friday, available a week from Friday.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Honestly, that was a surprise to me. Everyone was saying they were gonna raise prices by a hundred bucks or something. And, you know,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco modern Apple with a Pro phone that’s being ever more separated from the
⏹️ ▶️ Marco non-pro versions, I would have expected a price raise. I did expect a price raise. So
⏹️ ▶️ Marco the fact that the prices stayed the same, I consider a win. I mean, I’ve heard it’s kind of rough, like in Europe, where
⏹️ ▶️ Marco we have some currency fluctuation issues that are making their prices even more egregious than usual. But
⏹️ ▶️ Marco yeah, for at least, for us here in the US, it’s been pretty good.
⏹️ ▶️ John Oh, and no 8K video, right?
⏹️ ▶️ Marco No, I think they definitely would have mentioned that if that was
⏹️ ▶️ John there. One of the rumors didn’t come, they did take a chance to talk about that
⏹️ ▶️ John now you can do that cinema mode in 4K. Okay, all right. That’s good.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I’m glad they didn’t lean too far into that whole thing. Because yeah, as I was mentioning last week, that I’m not
⏹️ ▶️ Marco a filmmaker. And I think most people just want the regular
⏹️ ▶️ Marco features to work really well. And that’s what they do. Yeah,
⏹️ ▶️ John and speaking of the regular features working well on the camera and everything, this is the thing. We went through the part of like, Oh, you know, two X letter,
⏹️ ▶️ John better low light performance
⏹️ ▶️ John photonic engine or whatever. Apple itself never tries to
⏹️ ▶️ John quantify that, right? Even though it seems like they’re quantifying it, oh, two X, that’s a quantity, right?
⏹️ ▶️ John It’s not a qualitative measurement. We’re not telling you it’s like much cooler or awesome. We’re
⏹️ ▶️ John saying it’s twice and two is a number. But what does that mean? Like, what is your testing
⏹️ ▶️ John scenario? Two X better low light performance. So it’s like, okay, well then given this image and this amount
⏹️ ▶️ John of light and this, they never do that. They never go through like, here’s a test pattern, here’s a measured amount of
⏹️ ▶️ John light. They just don’t do that, right? And in practice, when you look at like competitive, you know, camera
⏹️ ▶️ John comparisons online, here’s the latest Google Pixel, here’s the latest iPhone, and they
⏹️ ▶️ John try to take identical pictures and identical lighting with the cameras all up on tripods and they do a lot of things.
⏹️ ▶️ John And what you learn is, they show those pictures to people, it’s subjective, which
⏹️ ▶️ John one, you know, unless you’re doing a literal test pattern you’re measuring like the values with like a pixel
⏹️ ▶️ John meter or whatever. When you take pictures of real subjects, there’s so much processing
⏹️ ▶️ John going on, face detection, lighting up people’s faces, HDR, like it’s, you know, the camera
⏹️ ▶️ John understands in various ways what it’s taking a picture of and they all do and they all
⏹️ ▶️ John use that information to process the pixels in a certain way. And so when they say twice as, you know, twice
⏹️ ▶️ John as good low light performance, does that mean if I took a picture with a 13 pro and a picture with
⏹️ ▶️ John the 14 pro of the same person in the same lighting I would think one is twice as good as the other one? No, I might even think the 13
⏹️ ▶️ John pro looks better if I agree with its decisions that the computational engine made more than the other one. So
⏹️ ▶️ John that’s why these camera comparisons are so tough, right? When what you’re looking at is does
⏹️ ▶️ John this picture look better than you to you than that one does? And that is much harder to measure
⏹️ ▶️ John than anything sort of, you know, any sort of objective benchmark measurements and an apple
⏹️ ▶️ John like when they show off their cameras, they never show test patterns, They show people, right? They show landscapes.
⏹️ ▶️ John They show beautiful pictures. And I look at those beautiful pictures and like these are beautiful pictures But what is this going to mean
⏹️ ▶️ John in my life when I’m taking a picture of my dog walking in the woods or whatever?
⏹️ ▶️ Casey I’m excited. I’m really excited for the camera. I’m really excited for the Lozenge, which I will never
⏹️ ▶️ Casey refer to as a stupid dynamic Name so much. I’m really excited
⏹️ ▶️ Marco isn’t a volcano a dynamic island.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Yeah, that’s true. It is
⏹️ ▶️ John Not all volcanoes are islands though.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey That’s also true. Fair point. Anyways, oh and iOS 16 released on Monday
⏹️ ▶️ Casey and so that’s pretty cool too. But yeah this was this was a really impressive
⏹️ ▶️ Casey event. I already bought watches. I want to buy AirPods but I’m resisting and I will be buying phones
⏹️ ▶️ Casey on Friday. Marco what are you doing?
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I’m gonna, as far as I know No, right now I’m gonna skip the watch. Okay. First one ever.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco And I’m going to get the 14 Pro and AirPods Pro 2.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I am so looking forward to both of those things.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Yeah, what’s Tiffin for?
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Most likely 14 Pro Max and also AirPods Pro.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Nice. John, you said Tina’s year this year, right?
⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey Oh, I’m sorry, that’s right, you said that earlier, my bad.
⏹️ ▶️ John Tina already ordered her new watch. I think it’s just gonna end up looking the same
⏹️ ▶️ John or a watch, but she likes the temperature sensor thing and the isolation tracking or whatever. So she’s getting that again, not that we’re
⏹️ ▶️ John trying to have another kid, but it’s a, you know, it’s a useful thing. I’m getting this phone when
⏹️ ▶️ John it is available. I’m probably just going to get a boring black one with
⏹️ ▶️ John and all that other good stuff. And then I’m going to begin my long journey of trying to find a case for it
⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco and trying not to break it while I look for
⏹️ ▶️ John I may end up doing what I did last year, which is buy an interim Apple silicone case and then get annoyed by the lip. And then eventually
⏹️ ▶️ John if all XR makes a 14 pro, I’ll get that one. If not, I’ll try to find another one. I’m not,
⏹️ ▶️ John I’m not looking forward to that. Usually it’s like, Oh, I’m excited I’m getting a new phone, but I’m like, Oh, the case situation.
⏹️ ▶️ John I don’t like that being an ordeal, but it’s going to be an ordeal. But anyway, that’s, that’s my plan.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Oh yeah. I should re revise my earlier statement. I plan to get either two 56
⏹️ ▶️ Casey or five 12 I’m on the fence on that. And I will also be doing space black because I’m boring. Marco, what do
⏹️ ▶️ Casey you think you two are going to do?
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Two 56 for me, five 12 for TIFF. And uh, But I’m doing,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I think, the white, or the quote silver, because frankly I don’t like any of the
⏹️ ▶️ Marco colors. The purple, I think, is cool if purple’s your color.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco It did look a little bit dark and drab in some of the people’s photos from the media area. It didn’t look
⏹️ ▶️ Marco super vibrant. But it’s not really my color to begin with, and it just looks very dark to me.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco So I’m going to say farewell to my light blue one I’ve had this past year, and probably
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I just get the white one, which will at least then broaden my case options because you can put that in anything
⏹️ ▶️ Marco and it will look fine.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Yeah. John, going back a half step, I should mention that one of the options for the last couple
⏹️ ▶️ Casey of years for AppleCare is to do $10 a month until you decide to cancel
⏹️ ▶️ Casey it. Like you can cancel it whenever you want. And something you might want to think about is rather than dropping 40 bucks or whatever
⏹️ ▶️ Casey on an Apple Silicon case, you could just do AppleCare for like a month or two until you get a
⏹️ ▶️ Casey case that you like, and then cancel it and you’re out less than the cost of a temporary case.
⏹️ ▶️ John I always just get the two year AppleCare because I’m on a two year phone plan. So I prepaid for two years. I
⏹️ ▶️ John want the AppleCare if only as a way to prevent me from ever breaking my phone, which so far it’s been working. So
⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey money well spent.
⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey second I don’t pay
⏹️ ▶️ John for that AppleCare, I’m breaking my phone.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Yeah. All right, well, I’m really looking forward to it. I am looking forward to getting
⏹️ ▶️ Casey all of the toys. I am jealous of all the AirPods Pro that are happening, but I’m super stoked about
⏹️ ▶️ Casey my Series 8 that’s coming and hopefully all of you will have good luck
⏹️ ▶️ Casey with ordering your iPhone 14 or 14 Pros. And after you do that
⏹️ ▶️ Casey or perhaps even before, stdew.org.atp, now’s a good time.
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⏹️ ▶️ John We have a brief moment to appreciate slash complain about Exactly
⏹️ ▶️ John how much stuff leaked about this like granted a lot of it leaks in the last second But we got the new
⏹️ ▶️ John watch design we got all the features of the phone except for some of the dynamic island stuff like
⏹️ ▶️ John the airpods most of that stuff leaked except for a couple of minor things like there
⏹️ ▶️ John was no product that people didn’t expect it was just The apple is just not
⏹️ ▶️ John Like and especially like with the cad files for the watch leaking I don’t understand the mechanism by
⏹️ ▶️ John which that information is going to leak, but it doesn’t leak until like the day before. It’s almost like someone
⏹️ ▶️ John that has the info and is holding it until like, they think they’re not gonna be prosecuted because well, it’s
⏹️ ▶️ John the day before, Apple’s not
⏹️ ▶️ John care, right? But boy, like, and I thought about like, maybe I shouldn’t look at the watch
⏹️ ▶️ John pictures because maybe I want to be surprised, but I gave in to temptation just like Marco did. And we all looked at the pictures
⏹️ ▶️ John and they were accurate and there was the product. Like, are we ever gonna be surprised by anything other than a Mac Pro?
⏹️ ▶️ John no one leaks that because nobody cares.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I think it’s just, you know, it’s high volume stuff, like the highest volume stuff, you know, the iPhone,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco you know, hardware components tend to leak, especially displays tend to leak really early
⏹️ ▶️ Marco on. And so, you know, the rumor of there being a larger, rugged
⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John that’s like a two
⏹️ ▶️ Marco year old. Yeah, it’s like it’s been there a while. You know, we knew a while ago,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco all the different, you know, all the new sizes of the the iPhone 14, that there wouldn’t be a mini, that there would be a big
⏹️ ▶️ Marco regular one. Like all of that we had such strong rumors on.
⏹️ ▶️ John We knew the AirPod Pro with the speaker and the loop and the case and
⏹️ ▶️ John the fact they were gonna look basically the same design wise and higher bandwidth. It’s just
⏹️ ▶️ Marco That’s why I am more excited by the features that are not
⏹️ ▶️ Marco apparent from basic component leaks. So things like the dynamic volcano island,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco things like the satellite connectivity, which was like, you know, it was rumored that there was gonna be satellite connectivity maybe, but no one
⏹️ ▶️ John Right, but you can’t tell that from the hardware because it’s like, well, the hardware could already do it. And you know, it’s a business deal, business
⏹️ ▶️ John deal stuff and software features. Apple is still doing a pretty good job of keeping under wraps.
⏹️ ▶️ John But I just, I couldn’t believe when the watch was like a day before, I thought they were gonna make it. I’m like, oh, this rugged Apple watch
⏹️ ▶️ John hasn’t leaked yet, but nope, there it was. But just for the first time, Bob is now aware that he’s fired.
⏹️ ▶️ John So he thinks he should retire, but he’s still con generates no words