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494: Ultra-Wideband Park Bench

John got a new television.

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  1. Geometry Dash
  2. Shop Different
  3. The good old days
  4. Sponsor: Instabug
  5. M1 vs. M2 MBA speakers
  6. Catch-all email (*@you.tld)
  7. Find My follow-up
  8. Home-hub follow-up
  9. Apple TV photos follow-up
  10. Contact-ordering follow-up
  11. Sponsor: Squarespace (code ATP)
  12. In-car purchases
  13. Sponsor: Linode
  14. John’s new television 🖼️
  15. Ending theme
  16. S3 clones

Geometry Dash

⏹️ ▶️ do you or your kids or have you or your kids discover geometry

⏹️ ▶️ dash yet geometry dash i have no idea what you’re talking about is that like number montres

⏹️ ▶️ i don’t know no it’s it’s a g so this is like my kid has been obsessed with this game

⏹️ ▶️ for a number of months now and it’s one of those games that like spreads to every child’s

⏹️ ▶️ friend the basic gameplay it’s kind of like flappy bird where you’re you know jumping up and down but

⏹️ ▶️ taken to the most ridiculous extreme possible to the point where it’s this

⏹️ ▶️ it’s this huge world the game itself not only does it have a million levels that have

⏹️ ▶️ just huge amounts of complexity tons of visual distractions it’s like

⏹️ ▶️ crack for your brain if you if your brain works a certain way like it’s just this huge amount

⏹️ ▶️ of stuff on screen all to for this basically you know this like instant death kind of

⏹️ ▶️ frustrating hardcore kind of jumping game and what’s interesting about so there’s

⏹️ ▶️ also a level editor in it and so of course my kid has gotten into making his own levels and you can submit your

⏹️ ▶️ levels it’s all right in the game and what i love about this thing it’s not an afro amer dash what i love

⏹️ ▶️ about this thing is that there are no innate purchases as far as i can tell it’s you pay

⏹️ ▶️ two bucks for the game and you just have it and that’s it impossible yeah and and the

⏹️ ▶️ guy you know i think he does very well based on the number of people who who play it and

⏹️ ▶️ it’s you know it’s been around for a long time it’s but it’s still going strong like you know my kid

⏹️ ▶️ tells me there’s like a hundred levels at it a like every day or something by people and the they get

⏹️ ▶️ featured it every day and like there’s all and it’s a huge community there’s youtubers playing at talking about all that

⏹️ ▶️ that’s presumably how we found it like it is it is kind of a joy to me to see this

⏹️ ▶️ game succeeding in the way it does because it’s succeeding in the way that ios games used

⏹️ ▶️ to back before everything was in a net purchase garbage fest it’s just a game that you pay for

⏹️ ▶️ and you have it and there and like there there’s stuff you can you can like level up to in the game you

⏹️ ▶️ can get you know better you know suits or skins or whatever but you do that

⏹️ ▶️ by playing the game like by like beating levels do not buy you don’t spend

⏹️ ▶️ ten bucks on a coin pack to get a treasure loot chest to possibly get you know it’s like

⏹️ ▶️ it’s none of that garbage it’s just a game that you play and you get stuff in the game and you can make stuff in the game it’s this

⏹️ ▶️ whole thing and it just seems so like nice and wholesome that you know it’s it’s this

⏹️ ▶️ rare and i mean this is not a new game i’m sure anyone out there who’s in iowa’s game or has probably

⏹️ ▶️ it has probably gotten tired of this game you know ten years ago but as somebody who has only seen it recently

⏹️ ▶️ i’m very impressed by just how how nice of a little world this game is created and just

⏹️ ▶️ like when you see some of the levels that are made the amount of work

⏹️ ▶️ and complexity and artistry that go into it is is quite something i

⏹️ ▶️ can’t play the game for crap like this is the kind of game like you know you play you jump a few times you die you

⏹️ ▶️ jump a few times again you die again and i’m like all right i want to throw throw drop out of the window like i don’t have the

⏹️ ▶️ kind of personality to play this kind of game last year

⏹️ ▶️ but yeah this is um i’m very impressed by jam sudesh and and the

⏹️ ▶️ world around it and it’s pretty cool so if you have kids with ipads chicken

⏹️ ▶️ out the developer should talk to the current unity ceo former e aco who recently

⏹️ ▶️ said that if you don’t think about monetization during the creative process you are a quote fing idiot

⏹️ ▶️ so geometry dash developer sorry the unity ceo doesn’t like you e a deserve

⏹️ ▶️ that guy unity’s got em now is the ceo of unity we talked about you know three engines

⏹️ ▶️ last time oh well

Shop Different

⏹️ ▶️ i’m curious like so so you know my kids also trying to get into you know coding and

⏹️ ▶️ game creation and we talked about is probably a year ago i got a got

⏹️ ▶️ a bunch of recommendations from listeners i don’t think he was quite ready for those at the time

⏹️ ▶️ we tried a few nothing really stuck but he did recently finish the first

⏹️ ▶️ i guess batch of swift playgrounds and wants to jump into making

⏹️ ▶️ a very simple game now however you know he’s still young i think attention span is still a

⏹️ ▶️ very challenging thing and he suggested trying unity because he’s he’s heard from youtubers

⏹️ ▶️ that you can do that and and then i heard on the talk show this week john had on i forget the guy’s

⏹️ ▶️ name the guy who made the the apple store time machine thing called shop different which is amazing i

⏹️ ▶️ went through it a few days ago like wow that that’s the whole thing like i was very impressed with that just

⏹️ ▶️ like most of them i didn’t you know i was kind of more impressed academically but then when i went to the fifth avenue

⏹️ ▶️ new york glass cube recreation i’ve been to that store a lot

⏹️ ▶️ during that time period that it represented and it felt like going there again it was an incredible

⏹️ ▶️ recreation like it really did nail exactly how it felt to walk through that and be like

⏹️ ▶️ i’ve been here before like i remember this when it looked like this that was that was really quite something

⏹️ ▶️ anyway the creator of that mentioned that he made it in unity and that he’s not much of a of a

⏹️ ▶️ programmer but you know it was apparently easier to just like import stuff i don’t even know you know i know

⏹️ ▶️ that unity is a game engine other than that i don’t know anything about unity i like i you know i couldn’t

⏹️ ▶️ pick out a line up it’s like a full i d it’s like a full i d for three d environment so you can do like modeling

⏹️ ▶️ texturing arranging it’s so hard to do it’s still complicated like remember last time you

⏹️ ▶️ were looking into like pulp what do you call it um yeah well there’s a playdate thing yeah yeah

⏹️ ▶️ and then we looked into oh god i forgot the names of all these things the like little

⏹️ ▶️ like oh god pico something pico at the pup you can do all on the web and and

⏹️ ▶️ pro it’s programming optional you’re basically dragging tiles around and setting up rules and then you can dive into the code if

⏹️ ▶️ you want to yeah yeah so anyway i’m looking at we’re going to look back into stuff like that again but but unity

⏹️ ▶️ i think is one of the things that we um that’s on the table for like hey he’s

⏹️ ▶️ motivated to do it and what’s good about that is that if he runs into questions or problems he

⏹️ ▶️ can just look up the answer on youtube which is how he finds information anyway oh no i can give you one better

⏹️ ▶️ he can ask me because what you want to know wait do not because

⏹️ ▶️ i don’t know crap about unity or three d programming but do you know what unity scripting

⏹️ ▶️ engine is it is written using s sharp baby it’s all coming back

⏹️ ▶️ really he can ask oh yeah oh yeah how’s that make you feel marco feel good den shower

⏹️ ▶️ now so he used to learn job when he basically knows all right oh sick burn but mostly true

⏹️ ▶️ obviously i haven’t written sharp in ten fifteen years something like that ten years

⏹️ ▶️ no maybe less than that it’s been while though and i’ve probably forgotten everything i once knew there was a there was a brief window

⏹️ ▶️ time that i was a pretty good sharp developer but that was many years ago but i don’t know i don’t think those

⏹️ ▶️ muscles have entirely atrophied quite yet anyway so that’s going to be an area that we’re looking into

The good old days

⏹️ ▶️ but anyway all this is to say geometry dash thumbs up this

⏹️ ▶️ is this is news to me i’ll have to check this out i guess i love those women i purchases like that

⏹️ ▶️ it’s just a game but like there there was this brief period you know relatively

⏹️ ▶️ now in retrospect this brief period back in you know from like two thousand eight when the after launched

⏹️ ▶️ until through i would say the first year or two of the ipads like

⏹️ ▶️ twenty ten and twenty eleven remember that that first batch of ipad games was also

⏹️ ▶️ this way it was really they were really good games that had no one at purchases or

⏹️ ▶️ at least very few i think i purchased i don’t think it was available till i o s five i

⏹️ ▶️ think oh i don’t and the ipad longer thought i s three point two so i think i think there was a two year

⏹️ ▶️ span there but anyway the first year or two of the ipad um basically predated the

⏹️ ▶️ use of an approaches widespread in games and the games that came out during like

⏹️ ▶️ those early ipad years were great they were so much fun you know you had like the first

⏹️ ▶️ versions of field runners plants versus zombies the plain landing game what was

⏹️ ▶️ it called flight control there were so many great amazing games and due to a number of

⏹️ ▶️ unfortunate factors most of them you can’t even play anymore you know even if you wanted to was cut the rope in that era i know

⏹️ ▶️ it eventually had all not purchases but i wonder if cut the rope predated it and added later i don’t think so cut the rope

⏹️ ▶️ i think was was later at least i didn’t hear about it till well until the it purchase era but the

⏹️ ▶️ that those early man those early ipad games were so good and that era is just gone

⏹️ ▶️ and most of those games are gone and they’ve all been either totally killed and their their companies won’t even

⏹️ ▶️ exist any more or you know they got acquired forever ago by somebody like e a and shut down and or

⏹️ ▶️ they’ve been remade as modern sequels that are just in a purchase casino garbage game it’s

⏹️ ▶️ just such a shame because those first games were so fun and that’s why something like james comes along

⏹️ ▶️ or rather sticks around and it’s just so refreshing to see that now when you when you use

⏹️ ▶️ it today like if somebody recommends an iowa’s game to me today i usually won’t even play it because i know it’s going to be full of

⏹️ ▶️ an purchase carvings like units that gage game i’m usually out but to see something

⏹️ ▶️ like this that’s still doing well and that has the old model is is both rare

⏹️ ▶️ and refreshing john dash kind of looks like a combination of an infinite runner and v v

⏹️ ▶️ v v v for kids i never add to that one what six six ves

⏹️ ▶️ it’s very intentionally primitive looking extremely difficult on forgiving

⏹️ ▶️ platform jumping game i have not heard of this either and it reminded me a load of james

⏹️ ▶️ but i don’t play jam jess for two seconds but it seems like it’s mostly left to right whereas a six

⏹️ ▶️ bs is all over the place no it’s also all over the place there’s like and there’s different modes that turn you into

⏹️ ▶️ different you know objects with different movement characteristics you can reverse you can speed up you can

⏹️ ▶️ slow down there’s all sorts of craziness in there trust me so adam is the game which i’m not going

⏹️ ▶️ to say the name of it again because if you like geometry as you might not like us game as well i mean i think

⏹️ ▶️ i think this relies on a little bit of nostalgia that he obviously doesn’t have but it is similarly punishing mechanically

⏹️ ▶️ you should get him into like from soft games eventually like the souls games when he’s older

⏹️ ▶️ he likes unforgiven games yeah he very much does and it’s like it’s kind of

⏹️ ▶️ rhythm based because the levels have music and usually the the jumps that you need to

⏹️ ▶️ do will correspond to beats in the music so there there’s that aspect and the and the music

⏹️ ▶️ is very like you know electronic style which is right is right up his alley so that also

⏹️ ▶️ helps so it’s a whole whole picture thing that really you know hits him he

⏹️ ▶️ loves it and i love that it’s so kind of wholesome and not in a it purchase garbage fest

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M1 vs. M2 MBA speakers

⏹️ ▶️

⏹️ ▶️ you promised us last week or we assigned homework last week that you should

⏹️ ▶️ compare the m m one mackie speakers and the m two mack air speakers have you

⏹️ ▶️ done your homework john that we should never have assigned you i have both speakers are not

⏹️ ▶️ good i told you it goes without saying that goes comparing homes

⏹️ ▶️ i had never i honestly had never listened to them because like i said these are you know my son’s laptop and he used uses headphones

⏹️ ▶️ all the time and maybe i hear like the system beep if i’m ever doing something that’s about it

⏹️ ▶️ and i’m not that that makes it difficult to compare which one is less

⏹️ ▶️ bad but i think pretty definitively the m one mcmurry is

⏹️ ▶️ better they both sound bad but the old one is better yes

⏹️ ▶️ i mean you can try it yourself i don’t have particularly attuned to years but like it just felt like the

⏹️ ▶️ m two was even more inside a tin can than the m one i played music on the right and i was playing

⏹️ ▶️ the same song on both of them and i’d play one and i’d play the other and play one and play the other and it’s like oh they’re both

⏹️ ▶️ really bad and it’s just you know i just feel like the one is better i mean it could be it could be

⏹️ ▶️ that because the speakers are like up firing instead of bouncing off the screen that could be the entirety of the difference

⏹️ ▶️ but to my ears the m one macbook are sounded better well not not

⏹️ ▶️ by a lot they’re both bad and it was really difficult for to tell that i would not play

⏹️ ▶️ music on the other one that’s for sure it’s funny every time that i

⏹️ ▶️ use my macbook pro as a laptop because i don’t do that often

⏹️ ▶️ it definitely happens but it’s not often that i’m going and doing work and sitting down

⏹️ ▶️ and doing something serious on my magma pro and in using it as it is you know not connected to

⏹️ ▶️ screens and all sorts of other paraphernalia and today i went to my beloved ultra wide

⏹️ ▶️ band park bench and i described a few weeks ago and actually as a quicker side

⏹️ ▶️ ah yesterday i think it was yesterday we went to the to a museum and then went to lunch in

⏹️ ▶️ quasi downtown richmond and i was sitting at lunch and i noticed i was on ultra wide band and i did

⏹️ ▶️ a speed test over three gigabit down over three that’s three

⏹️ ▶️ times faster than my own connection it still blows my mind i don’t know what i would ever do with this but it’s still cool that it exists

⏹️ ▶️ technology baby anyway so i was at my beloved ultrawideband park penciler today and it occurred

⏹️ ▶️ to me you know the screen on these map pros is really fricking good and although i only used the speakers

⏹️ ▶️ but a moment because it’s rude to do that in public the speakers on the maui pro all things considered are

⏹️ ▶️ pretty darn good too so i’m not saying that like the macbook air is wrong for most people or

⏹️ ▶️ for really everyone including probably me it probably is sufficient for my needs for the most part

⏹️ ▶️ but um but no these computers are really quite spectacular and i sometimes forget

⏹️ ▶️ how amazing they are i will say the speaker difference between again as i mentioned last week between

⏹️ ▶️ the macbook air and the fourteen inch macbook pro it’s a different league it’s not

⏹️ ▶️ it’s not even close you would think oh they made it one inch bigger the speakers a little

⏹️ ▶️ bit better no totally different ball game not even close i love

⏹️ ▶️ the mac ficar trust me i love i still still loving the mavic are but the speakers

⏹️ ▶️ are really got off well compared to the larger ones so yeah it’s it’s it’s no

⏹️ ▶️ comparison not even close

Catch-all email (*@you.tld)

⏹️ ▶️ all right moving along i was reminded by an anonymous contributor

⏹️ ▶️ that you can set up a catch all email on a lot of services but including

⏹️ ▶️ my beloved fastmail a w w w s thomas fastmail but

⏹️ ▶️ anyways i forget what honestly i forget what the context for this was but we were talking about something last

⏹️ ▶️ week that brought this on you are setting up like the single use email addresses and you had to go to fast mail and click

⏹️ ▶️ and make one and then you go use yes thank you a couple of things here first of all you can set up a catch all email

⏹️ ▶️ which is a little bit weird the way they have you set it up at work exactly right and so what i can do is i can

⏹️ ▶️ sign up for making this up but i could sign up for instagram and have the email address i give instagram

⏹️ ▶️ instagram at cases dot com and then fast mail and again this isn’t unique to fastmail

⏹️ ▶️ but fastmail or whatever will forward that to my actual email address and so this way i can

⏹️ ▶️ tell where it came from google and email people would often do

⏹️ ▶️ this as where you would do username plus service so it would be like

⏹️ ▶️ john plus instagram at syracuse dot com or whatever the case may be and

⏹️ ▶️ that also works on fast and pretty darn sure does but you can set up a catch all which makes this sort

⏹️ ▶️ of thing pretty neat as well which is something worth considering also i went

⏹️ ▶️ back and forth with a few people on twitter in a happy way and i was reminded that in one

⏹️ ▶️ password eight which is the electron one which has its

⏹️ ▶️ whole you have some issues with that when you go that route

⏹️ ▶️ but and i have been on one password seven because i had been waiting for the stick to force me

⏹️ ▶️ into one password eight but eventually they gave me a carrot in the last twenty four hours and they said oh

⏹️ ▶️ by the way in one password eight and only one password eight you can do

⏹️ ▶️ the whole fast mail mass email or whatever they call it the you know hidden email address

⏹️ ▶️ thing one time you see mail address thing you can do that automatically within one password so what

⏹️ ▶️ that means is you’re signing up for a new service say instagram using the web on your

⏹️ ▶️ computer and you can use one password to just automatically

⏹️ ▶️ generate a you know happy dot farts at castles dot com or whatever

⏹️ ▶️ they come up with in order to get a email that isn’t going to be something

⏹️ ▶️ useful in that you can kill pretty easily and you can do that all through one password with one password

⏹️ ▶️ eight which is which is worth considering if you happen to be a fast male user the email wild carding thing really

⏹️ ▶️ maximizes your surface area for spam though i mean if they have any kind of auto thing that’s trying

⏹️ ▶️ like well known addresses at every domain or whatever you’re going to get all that spam because you can put any word in

⏹️ ▶️ front of the outside and it will all go to your one email address i don’t know if they still do this but fast mail

⏹️ ▶️ in the in their control panel to enable the catchall email dress they even used to warn you like warning

⏹️ ▶️ you will get a lot of spam and i actually used that mode for a number of years it turned you

⏹️ ▶️ know i just kept getting more and more spam and like you know what this is stupid and so what i did was i like i searched my inbox

⏹️ ▶️ or sorted it somehow i forget how i did this to basically find like the only aliases i ever actually used

⏹️ ▶️ for anything turned off the catch all alias and just made made that list

⏹️ ▶️ of all the aliases that i actually needed and just stopped you know using new ones anywhere and it

⏹️ ▶️ was as muck it was a much better situation span was also can i just say from somebody who

⏹️ ▶️ deals with customers and their email loggins for both my

⏹️ ▶️ app that i’m trying so hard to not have anybody to use emails but some people still insist

⏹️ ▶️ and from our wonderful members who we love from side join nerds who

⏹️ ▶️ think they’re being clever and they use these you know customers and so it’ll have

⏹️ ▶️ like you know overcast at my domain dot whatever or you know eight membership at my domain dot

⏹️ ▶️ whatever you always forget and then you write in and then we have to find your account

⏹️ ▶️ it’s too clever for your own good most of the time so it’s not it’s something that like it causes

⏹️ ▶️ headaches for everybody for you and for the services you use and the

⏹️ ▶️ reality is like yeah you know what great you’re going to know if somebody sells your email address

⏹️ ▶️ great everyone sells your email address all the time it’s already out there who cares like the game that you’re

⏹️ ▶️ getting with her with that that you think you’re getting with that i don’t think it’s worth all the downsides that’s

⏹️ ▶️ an interesting point for sure

Find My follow-up

⏹️ ▶️ so last week was one of those weeks where i thought we were really

⏹️ ▶️ clear on the things we were talking about and asking about and apparently

⏹️ ▶️ either nobody heard us or we didn’t clarify quickly enough because we got a mountain of feedback

⏹️ ▶️ where everyone was explaining to us oh did you know you can turn off the notifications

⏹️ ▶️ for for devices and air tags and things when you leave them behind and i thought that john especially

⏹️ ▶️ when i thought i was too but particularly john i thought was very clear that yes we’re aware that that is

⏹️ ▶️ a thing that can happen but we don’t want to permanently turn it off for like a vacation home or a hotel

⏹️ ▶️ room or something like that we just want to maybe turn it off for a few days and that was the real complaint

⏹️ ▶️ we had but half of the internet wrote in to tell us no this is what you need to do but

⏹️ ▶️ for the record john if you did want to do that slightly dangerous thing of turning

⏹️ ▶️ off the notifications for a particular location forever how do you go about doing that as steve stats

⏹️ ▶️ gave a concise instructions on know how to do it so you open the find to my app you tap on

⏹️ ▶️ devices which is down to the bottom and then you tap on the device you want to deal with and then you scroll down under the heading

⏹️ ▶️ notifications tap the notify when left behind section and what you’ll probably

⏹️ ▶️ see in that section for any of your devices it says notify when left behind and it will say that it’s on

⏹️ ▶️ probably and it will say accept at one location and you’ll be like wait a second did i are to use this feature what

⏹️ ▶️ is the one location that is supposed to have not known my vices like no far left behind accept at this one place what

⏹️ ▶️ is that one place casey home that’s right your home is already there so it it’s

⏹️ ▶️ you know it’s the home is explicitly put there so you can add a second location or third or fourth

⏹️ ▶️ or fifth but your home if you have your home kid stuff set up is already there that’s why every time you leave your house you don’t get

⏹️ ▶️ notified that you left all your stuff behind indeed and then paul squires writes on the

⏹️ ▶️ find my alerts from a hotel in general i want to keep those on i may be going to dinner but i could also be going

⏹️ ▶️ to an office so i want those devices with me also i definitely want them on for checkout day this is an

⏹️ ▶️ extremely succinct summary of what john and i were trying to say yeah that’s that’s the tricky

⏹️ ▶️ part about this feature because i don’t want it to keep bothering me unless i’m going to the office and i do want them

⏹️ ▶️ in and by the way when i check out i want it too so it’s it’s not easy to pull this off is not as simple as we were saying

⏹️ ▶️ the show like oh just i’m going to be here for a week and just turn them off until a week later right because if

⏹️ ▶️ you are somewhere for work you want it on every day that you’re going to the office but not in the days that you’re

⏹️ ▶️ not but you definitely want on for check out days you know if you left stuff behind hard problem solve

Home-hub follow-up

⏹️ ▶️ and then with regard to homekit automation and locations we saw the context here’s my apple

⏹️ ▶️ tv at the beach house deciding that that was my permanent home which was a little wonky as we had a few different

⏹️ ▶️ pieces of feedback about this but in particular dark martin rights i recently had my home kit home self

⏹️ ▶️ identify as two properties at once the new house we just bought and are in the process of moving into and the

⏹️ ▶️ old house that we’ve had for a while and are and are in the process of leaving whenever i arrived at or

⏹️ ▶️ left either location homekit would offer to run my location based automations you get one guess as to

⏹️ ▶️ how i fix this yes that’s right i had to go into my contact and rename the old house to something other than home

⏹️ ▶️ leaving just the new house named home and then all of my automations worked properly again is there

⏹️ ▶️ anything to indicate this in new eye no did i figure it out by pure fluke on my first try yes

⏹️ ▶️ so derek got very lucky there additionally jim brown

⏹️ ▶️ writes if you take your apple tv outside your home and don’t want the offsite device to become the default hub and this is this

⏹️ ▶️ is exactly what i did when i got home i just didn’t know to do this in advance anyway jim wrights go to settings

⏹️ ▶️ airplane homekit and under the my home setting switch from connected to disabled then

⏹️ ▶️ the hub will transfer to another device at your home and like i said this is what i did to kind of fix everything

⏹️ ▶️ once i was back home but it wasn’t until i was already the damage had already

⏹️ ▶️ been done that i had thought to do this

Apple TV photos follow-up

⏹️ ▶️ also with regard to the apple tv to blunt miranda writes

⏹️ ▶️ we’ve tried many different apple tv photo apps like plex and some others apple photos

⏹️ ▶️ is far and away the one that’s the best for looking at photos on apple tv it loads photos fast and as long as

⏹️ ▶️ it’s your own library they load in high quality complete completely sharp over four k not over compressed

⏹️ ▶️ et cetera i don’t know a single other photos that for apple tv that does this well it’s not being

⏹️ ▶️ able to handle john’s photo library notwithstanding but let’s be real it’s john with this enormous photo library that

⏹️ ▶️ has the weird way of dealing with photos not casey got em anyway i love to know

⏹️ ▶️ i’d love to know if there are any others that are good enough for the record i did not put this in the show notes but i was

⏹️ ▶️ very happy when i read this email i understand what i’m doing is weird i’m using apple solution in the boring

⏹️ ▶️ way that apple says take pictures with them on your phone it’s not nothing weird about

⏹️ ▶️ honestly i think you’re i think i actually agree with you but i was so happy to see somebody defend me so i’ll take the victory

⏹️ ▶️ nonetheless yeah all of a sudden when i saw this i’m like okay well i complained about the apple tv photos

⏹️ ▶️ thing every few years i should look at it again to see how it’s doing so i loaded it up on my you know apple

⏹️ ▶️ tv and ran into a couple issues since the last time i did it i think

⏹️ ▶️ they change like the way the way user accounts work on apple tv um

⏹️ ▶️ i think it used to be that you just there was just there was no account and you just put which apple i d do you want to get your

⏹️ ▶️ photos from and you sign in to or whatever but now there are accounts and the main user count is mine and that has all the

⏹️ ▶️ home screen sink stuff and like you know everything is set up like that so i’ll just add a user count for my

⏹️ ▶️ wife why because we’re still not over the hump of is sixteen and venture and everything

⏹️ ▶️ and so there’s no shared a family photo library so i have to use her applied

⏹️ ▶️ because she’s got the family photo library so i made an account for her create an account with her apple

⏹️ ▶️ date signed in or whatever but it seems like the photos app only shows the photos

⏹️ ▶️ for the default user which is me and not her you go into

⏹️ ▶️ her settings it shows a bunch of stuff about purchases and so and so forth but it doesn’t have a section for called photo library

⏹️ ▶️ so i couldn’t even see her i cat photo library unless i was willing to guess maybe delete my account or make her the default

⏹️ ▶️ user or something like that and i wasn’t willing to do that for the purpose of this test so instead

⏹️ ▶️ i used my applied and my comparatively dinky photo library which consists only of

⏹️ ▶️ photos i’ve taken on my phone so it’s not the hundred and fifty thousand photo family library

⏹️ ▶️ it’s just my phone photos which is way smaller than that and sure enough most of them are thumbnails and they

⏹️ ▶️ take forever to load and if you were trying to use it to actually show something you’d just be staring at you know squares with question marks

⏹️ ▶️ in them for just minutes and minutes while i’ve run uncomfortably shifted on the couch saying so are we going to see some pictures

⏹️ ▶️ and he answers no you’re probably not like one or two thumbnails below and maybe you can wait with just doesn’t

⏹️ ▶️ do what you wanted to do because you want everyone to sit down and you want to put clicking on in her moat and say oh look

⏹️ ▶️ pictures and you look at them and smile and go to the next one nope i don’t know what the problem is i don’t know why it has a

⏹️ ▶️ hard time loading them i have a super internet connections on the same network via ethernet of all the other

⏹️ ▶️ devices that have these photos on them it just doesn’t do the job and like i said it’s not because it was a

⏹️ ▶️ hundred eight thousand photos it was a fraction of that so i don’t know what the deal is but still no good

⏹️ ▶️ i’m sorry yeah i don’t know of any particular answers for this i’m sorry to say

⏹️ ▶️ but if somebody has a good suggestion then please let us know twenty nine thousand photos

⏹️ ▶️ just if you’re on concrete numbers that’s how i’ve got on my phone

Contact-ordering follow-up

⏹️ ▶️ contact addressed ordering tell me about this john we’re still talking about this i know syria

⏹️ ▶️ this is hilarious right so what was the previous show we were talking about how

⏹️ ▶️ particular applica the existence of a particular application as is an indictment of apple because it is the

⏹️ ▶️ type of thing that shouldn’t be necessary i think it was the sleep sleep age thing the thing that like keeps track of what’s waking and making

⏹️ ▶️ your mac sleep and like the fact that that maca has to exist shows that there are difficult to

⏹️ ▶️ solve problems having to do with sleeping and waking in maces that necessitate the third party application

⏹️ ▶️ it makes a third party opportunity to address the shortcomings in apples as well

⏹️ ▶️ we also talked about contacts and how people can have multiple phone numbers and multiple email addresses

⏹️ ▶️ and there’s there’s an order to them in contacts but it’s difficult

⏹️ ▶️ to discern whether that order has any meaning and if you want it to have meaning you can do what i did and

⏹️ ▶️ reorder them by deleting them all and adding them back in the order that you want them to appear in well only

⏹️ ▶️ there is a dedicated application called reorder at exclamation point just like yahoo exclamation

⏹️ ▶️ point on the app and the only thing this app does is lets you

⏹️ ▶️ reorder contacts personally by delaying them and reading them in the order that you want that boggles my mind as

⏹️ ▶️ it shows that some people are just annoyed by the fact that they can’t reorder them in the contacts up and actually if someone

⏹️ ▶️ has four email addresses deleting them all and re adding them all is tedious so try

⏹️ ▶️ reorder it i guess

⏹️ ▶️ tell me about the default addresses and messages please john rob

⏹️ ▶️ woodring gets the brass ring by giving me the actual solution of my problem i remember

⏹️ ▶️ this all started with me talking about the address and everything is like every time i try to share something via messages

⏹️ ▶️ with my son if he’s not one of the little recently sent message bubble things and i have to

⏹️ ▶️ hit the actual messages out icon and then have to type his name a l and let the auto complete fill

⏹️ ▶️ it out it would always auto complete to his contact but underneath his contact he would have his phone number

⏹️ ▶️ and i wanted it to send to his apple id and not his phone number for reason to discuss the past shows

⏹️ ▶️ i couldn’t figure out how to make that happen people had a lot of different ideas last week the one that i heard from

⏹️ ▶️ a lot of people just delete the whl message thread and restart it because whatever you use to start that message

⏹️ ▶️ thread with the person forever when you auto complete in messages it will auto complete

⏹️ ▶️ to that because it’s basically saying hey do you want to put this in the existing conversation i have and the existing conversation

⏹️ ▶️ that i have a message we started seven years ago to a phone number

⏹️ ▶️ not to an applied here is the actual solution rob says you can change

⏹️ ▶️ what you are messaging without losing your previous message history go to an existing message thread tap the

⏹️ ▶️ name of the person at the top then tap info then tap and hold the messages bubble icon

⏹️ ▶️ and select an alternate email or phone number this has worked for me to switch between phone number and email and back to a

⏹️ ▶️ different phone number later when my dad switched to an android phone the message states preserved pictures and all

⏹️ ▶️ i tried this and it worked this is the solution and it’s very close to the thing we talked about before where

⏹️ ▶️ you go to the compact and hold like long press on the lower message bubble and pick but that doesn’t do it that doesn’t

⏹️ ▶️ change the thread you have to go to the messages thread then do the thing to the top and long press or whatever

⏹️ ▶️ and from now on whenever i typed my son’s name it auto completely shows the apple idea and i was glad i didn’t

⏹️ ▶️ delete the message spread before because now i have all my messages preserved and now i know how to fix this

⏹️ ▶️ it only took but a month of talking about it on a podcast with dozens of people sending solutions including

⏹️ ▶️ people apple rob woodring found the real solution wait i’m sorry can you walk me through

⏹️ ▶️ this because i don’t think i see where this is so find a message thread with somebody and messages that you want

⏹️ ▶️ to change this for right okay so i’m just choosing my dad arbitrarily cause we’d exchanged texts like right before the

⏹️ ▶️ show so i tapped him and i saw his name at the top nothing on the right

⏹️ ▶️ oh oh that was the piece i missed i’m sorry okay so you have to tap the info thing okay then

⏹️ ▶️ long press on message and now you see the list and then pick whichever one i got okay was

⏹️ ▶️ the info piece that i missed i’m sorry i’m with you now that is a very good tip

⏹️ ▶️ i knew that there was some mechanism by which to do this but i certainly did not know

⏹️ ▶️ the exact incantation so like you said rob woodring gets the gold star for today

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In-car purchases

⏹️ ▶️ we had a little bit of feedback with regard

⏹️ ▶️ to unlocking automotive features a couple of things that i was not familiar with are aware of

⏹️ ▶️ a blame tops wrote in it’s not exactly what john meant when he said it’s not like they’re going to put a v eight when

⏹️ ▶️ when you buy a v six but my jaguar f type is pretty close the v six uses the same engine block

⏹️ ▶️ as the v eight just with the last two cylinders closed off this allows for the same mounting points and supercharged

⏹️ ▶️ we used for both engines at the cost of hauling around an extra fifty pounds of unused weight with the v six

⏹️ ▶️ the extra material costs the unused bit of the v eight block is offset by only having to engineer and produce one version

⏹️ ▶️ of the rest of the engine bay i find this utterly fascinating this is like a cheaper version

⏹️ ▶️ of what was it asked in martin or not exceeded on asked martin alfaro

⏹️ ▶️ took the ferrari motor and like lopped off two cylinders and called it today but they full on cut em off

⏹️ ▶️ in this case it would be like oh we just aren’t going to include a couple aren’t going to a use a couple

⏹️ ▶️ of them which is fascinating it’s like cylinder binning it it’s like the way grace

⏹️ ▶️ on the it’s it’s a very jaguar move though because it always for the past i

⏹️ ▶️ don’t know several decades always seemed like jaguar is just kind of like even though this supposed to be

⏹️ ▶️ a luxury brand that is always kind of got like not great technology a

⏹️ ▶️ lot of hand me downs maybe some ford parts bin stuff back in the day like you don’t

⏹️ ▶️ deserve that they the things they do with these supposed expensive cars to save weight and you’re going to you’re

⏹️ ▶️ going to leave two unused cylinders in the block only an extra fifty pounds

⏹️ ▶️ that’s not good you don’t want this this i wouldn’t talk about this and say oh

⏹️ ▶️ yeah sure it’s good cause no this all the weight of a v eight but the power of a v

⏹️ ▶️ six no thanks oh man that

⏹️ ▶️ that’s it’s so fascinating to me that this is the thing though i just thought that was really cool and then uh josh rappaport

⏹️ ▶️ writes test offer something called acceleration boost on the model three and wide long range

⏹️ ▶️ on the three it also unlocks a track mode and supposedly that functionality is coming to the y as well it’s a two

⏹️ ▶️ thousand dollars us in our purchase i’m not sure it’s really not purchase if it’s in your car but so be

⏹️ ▶️ it i get your point do they pay apple thirty percent that that decreases

⏹️ ▶️ the ero to sixty time by about half a second looks like these i p s are unlocked on the car for future

⏹️ ▶️ owners as well also rumor has it that at their introduction the long range and performance bearings of the cars

⏹️ ▶️ had the same motor and drive train though it seems like they may have moved to more of a binning or slightly

⏹️ ▶️ differentiated set of components in the more recent times test has always sold various

⏹️ ▶️ things that basically you’re paying to abuse the internals of your car more like the you know

⏹️ ▶️ acceleration motor or whatever if they lock it out as a premium feature but those type of things like oh

⏹️ ▶️ get that extra half second is you know stressing the internals and the circuitry

⏹️ ▶️ and the battery of your car a little bit more to get that extra power and for that privilege you pay them two thousand

⏹️ ▶️ dollars it’s like maybe you just don’t worry about the extra half second and then finally sean

⏹️ ▶️ harding writes on the b m w subscriptions what happens in seven years when the ap i gets deprecated and your car

⏹️ ▶️ can’t verify the subscription status anymore my audi long ago stopped getting software

⏹️ ▶️ updates but the heated states see heated seats still work perfectly well put john well

⏹️ ▶️ that is a very good question is like you know i was just mentioning a few a few minutes ago how you know

⏹️ ▶️ all those old ipad games from that first generation of ipad stuff through various

⏹️ ▶️ like digital unfortunate ness you really can’t play those anymore like unless you happen

⏹️ ▶️ to have an old ipad that happens to have them already installed on it there’s really no way for

⏹️ ▶️ you to get those like i ran to this problem a couple years ago last year whenever

⏹️ ▶️ it was i booted up my old iphone and i believe it’s a to talk about on the show like my very first gen

⏹️ ▶️ iphone i just try to figure out like okay what can i do with this what can it still do and of

⏹️ ▶️ course as you can imagine you know the original iphone can’t run any recent software i think i think the latest

⏹️ ▶️ i can run as like is three point one i think but at any rate they couldn’t do

⏹️ ▶️ anything really because all of the ssl certificates on everything that it was capable

⏹️ ▶️ of using had expired or had been upgraded to higher levels of encryption that it

⏹️ ▶️ can’t support and so now that we’re in this era of everything is encrypted everything

⏹️ ▶️ is secure everything is signed old software on old

⏹️ ▶️ platforms almost can’t run like there’s very few cases in which old enough software

⏹️ ▶️ actually runs because something expires somewhere along the way and we

⏹️ ▶️ are so connected with services in the modern world that if your old hardware can’t

⏹️ ▶️ connect to a web service anymore a lot of times it doesn’t work or can’t work and that’s something we’re

⏹️ ▶️ thinking about with something that has as long of a life span as a car you know or you know some of these b m

⏹️ ▶️ w s like unless you have cases luck with b m ws they’re probably going to last at least ten years

⏹️ ▶️ of active service on the road and you know how how many times does a

⏹️ ▶️ ten year old computer actually have good luck accessing you know its services

⏹️ ▶️ and you know that i think i think it’s going to be a problem that we’re going to have to deal with

⏹️ ▶️ i wonder if they actually do are doing only verification or as just flipping a switch internally like this is the type of

⏹️ ▶️ thing where if they try to like prevent people from hacking it and do all these things that’s when you do we have

⏹️ ▶️ to have online checks and we have to have all this and that’ll sort of mess you up but if they’re smarter about let us be like

⏹️ ▶️ that’s you know soft or lock out and when we unlock it unlocks locally and we never recheck

⏹️ ▶️ online to see if you have it unlocked and we just take the hit or whatever i mean this is another situation

⏹️ ▶️ like any software where it really depends on the company that you’re buying from to

⏹️ ▶️ give an example when a good software company stops developing an application

⏹️ ▶️ what they normally do is say we’re not going to make this up any more it doesn’t make us any money it’s its time has

⏹️ ▶️ passed or whatever ah but on our way out the door here it is if anyone wants

⏹️ ▶️ it here is a version where you don’t have to register it’s free you know you can have it’s you know we’re not

⏹️ ▶️ going to sell it any more anyone who paid for it in the past six months will give you a refund and forevermore it’s

⏹️ ▶️ unsupported but you can download it from our website right and so the car version of that

⏹️ ▶️ would be um we’re deprecating the api that we used to do online checks for the heated seats but it’s unlocked

⏹️ ▶️ for everybody now like we send one last thing out that said hey all you cars out there that are checking this api

⏹️ ▶️ m point for unlocked for he defeats we built the system such that when we shut the endpoint down

⏹️ ▶️ the way they’ll fail as saying you know we’ll send them one last masses said it’s unlocked for everybody

⏹️ ▶️ and don’t bother checking again right that would be the good thing to do that a good car company would do but the

⏹️ ▶️ example i had in mind with the good software company was panic and the example he of the good car company mine was nobody cause

⏹️ ▶️ there all bad i mean really the correct good thing to do would be hey

⏹️ ▶️ this feature that’s so cheap that you can actually ship it for everyone and

⏹️ ▶️ just selectively disable it in software have i just made that a stock feature of the car because these aren’t

⏹️ ▶️ expensive these aren’t cheap cars it’s like this is already a premium car you know what maybe

⏹️ ▶️ make this just a stock feature if it’s that cheap for you you know the unity the unity ceo would say you’re

⏹️ ▶️ an in when you’re making these seats

⏹️ ▶️ because there’s no way to monetize a car besides it purchases and subscriptions right then there’s no service

⏹️ ▶️ model for cars services yeah

⏹️ ▶️ right have we have we talked about this maybe we might have talked about this and i don’t remember but if apple

⏹️ ▶️ is obsessed with services and apple is making a car if that’s true

⏹️ ▶️ what are the services for the apple car like what is that going to look like all those war items

⏹️ ▶️ same as everybody no i mean like the in a purchase sort of things are like the subcriptions rt of thing can you imagine

⏹️ ▶️ apple like using someone else’s tires and brake pads no way it’s going to be all custom stuff

⏹️ ▶️ the contest works and that’s why the apples made a car in may can you imagine like

⏹️ ▶️ i’m just thinking about stuff like that like all the parts on a car that have someone else’s brand name on

⏹️ ▶️ them apple would not stand for any of that like you know like they’re not going to have tires that say good

⏹️ ▶️ year on the side like they’re they’re going to whoever makes their tires for them they’re going to make them

⏹️ ▶️ give them brainless tires i don’t know again i don’t think that i don’t think it’s really

⏹️ ▶️ possible to make a car that way unless you’re willing to sink way more of apple’s money than they thus far have been willing to sink to

⏹️ ▶️ this and spend even more time although it unlike on a you know more car rebuilding channeling site so you’ve

⏹️ ▶️ got em parts are i’m watching all about rebuilding bmw’s and you have whatever company actually

⏹️ ▶️ made this plastic diy you know bmw doesn’t make it right and

⏹️ ▶️ if you buy it from the b m w dealer of course it costs ten times as much or whatever but you can get that same

⏹️ ▶️ part from the manufacturer that makes it for b m w but when you buy it from the manufacturer

⏹️ ▶️ what like the part that they make has b m w stamped on it right bmw

⏹️ ▶️ didn’t make it this other company made it but it’s got b w but when you buy it the manufacturer they have to file

⏹️ ▶️ off the bmw so they make it with b m w stamped not but they’re not to

⏹️ ▶️ sell it with b m w nat they literally take a finished part and modify it by

⏹️ ▶️ scrubbing or filing or melting off the b m w logan you get the two parts here’s genuine here’s

⏹️ ▶️ the copy you know as opposed to adding it afterwards so yeah the car industry is weird and i really don’t

⏹️ ▶️ think apple’s can have tires that have apples on the side but and don’t say good year michelin but

⏹️ ▶️ you know i mean apple hasn’t made a car yet so we’ll see but it’s just that’s not the way the car industry works and if you’re

⏹️ ▶️ going to say we’re going to do everything ourselves a look inside apple’s laptops the chips say like you know the memory chips say

⏹️ ▶️ micron and stuff like that they don’t say apple on all them yeah but the customer doesn’t see those like

⏹️ ▶️ you see the tires on your car and you see if they have a brand name on them there is no

⏹️ ▶️ way mark my words people can quote this later in ten years when apple actually ships

⏹️ ▶️ the car there is no way apple is going to lunch a car where the

⏹️ ▶️ tires have someone else’s name printed on the outside the apples can have to become a tire manufacturer

⏹️ ▶️ because i’m not sure any tire manufacture is not going to add their name on that tire they would just i’m sure they would make

⏹️ ▶️ a deal they would custom you know order it from whoever whoever would say yes first and it would take them a while but i

⏹️ ▶️ mean honestly maybe this is why two million dollar hypercar have michelin you know

⏹️ ▶️ they don’t care a good year on the side of them they care i mean look before the iphone six

⏹️ ▶️ hundred dollars smartphones had verizon logos on the back of them this is one of those things where like apple

⏹️ ▶️ apple’s going to go in there with just the most stubborn position in the world

⏹️ ▶️ and eventually somebody will do it for them for the right price some of

⏹️ ▶️ the desperate singular i mean apple had the word horizon on its phones back before the notch when they could fit it

⏹️ ▶️ i don’t wait well no in the status bar a little bit no but i’m saying like on the phone like

⏹️ ▶️ the i understand of just saying that brand names have been on iphones you know i asked their the assets on the screen

⏹️ ▶️ but they could’ve just put an apple of verizon is still on the screen is it yeah on the lock screen anyway yeah i

⏹️ ▶️ guess it is it still there i was wondering if there was room at the nat on the lock street it’s not on the one that’s

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John’s new television

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⏹️ ▶️ let’s talk about something that

⏹️ ▶️ is truly important because it has been a long time coming i feel like

⏹️ ▶️ you know on the show adam adam pre existed the show but on this

⏹️ ▶️ show declan was born michaela was born your mac pro

⏹️ ▶️ your current mac pro was born but perhaps more important than anything

⏹️ ▶️ else you’ve gotten a new television there is a new birth in the atp family

⏹️ ▶️ and it is john’s television i did get a new television i think i had the stats

⏹️ ▶️ on the last recess i think it’s been like eight years fish something like that well then

⏹️ ▶️ we might have been there for the last one it depends on when it was because we were twenty thirteen yeah well what went in

⏹️ ▶️ twenty thirteen because we this december december

⏹️ ▶️ okay so then we were here for it all right so i put my apologize all right i don’t care let’s move on i was just thought

⏹️ ▶️ that as when i panic bought the last the last great plasma i had recently quote unquote recently bought a plasma

⏹️ ▶️ a couple of years before and i it was like oh they’re going to not make plasmas anymore i’d better get the best one right now and

⏹️ ▶️ like i get a last best panasonic plasma and then they stopped making oh that’s right yeah i think we were around

⏹️ ▶️ for this one all right well never mind i take it all back anyway it’s been a long so i had sort

⏹️ ▶️ of i’ve been working on this buying i talked about some past shows on some of my pages a

⏹️ ▶️ buying the parts because i was afraid i wouldn’t be able to get them i was afraid that if i waited until like everything

⏹️ ▶️ was ready to come then i’d be like all right let me order everything that i exhaustively researched for the past eight years

⏹️ ▶️ um and they’d be like oh sorry not in stock or whatever so as soon as i decided what i was getting i just started buying stuff

⏹️ ▶️ so for literally months i’ve had a brand new receiver and a blue ray player that we talked about on a past

⏹️ ▶️ show i did some surgery on sitting in my house i bought the stand for the tv because i can’t use the one that

⏹️ ▶️ it comes with because of my weird house situation and that that i half assembled and

⏹️ ▶️ stuck in a closet gathering dust all waiting for the tv to come while this was happening like the

⏹️ ▶️ day before the tv was supposed to be delivered which was like delivered by this special courier or whatever i bought

⏹️ ▶️ it from sony dot com directly because it was the one place you could order it i don’t know if it’s available any place else i’m sure

⏹️ ▶️ it will be eventually but i bought it like within sixty seconds of it becoming available

⏹️ ▶️ on sony dot com i was not announced so thank thank thank you to all the people on

⏹️ ▶️ twitter who told me hey it’s live on sony because there was no announced eight or time that i was aware of but anyway

⏹️ ▶️ i got my order in and then they had delivered to this courier who then had to call me and arrange

⏹️ ▶️ for a time for delivery which was convenient because i was out of town when they wanted to deliver and i say can you wait

⏹️ ▶️ till i get back in time and he said fine but anyway while i was waiting for the tv to come i can do some stuff

⏹️ ▶️ i can take my old tv off take everything out because everything has to go the only thing

⏹️ ▶️ that i didn’t actually remove from the entertainment center was my tivo was that staying but it’s like you know move

⏹️ ▶️ to clean under it or whatever took out the old receiver box it up put it away unhooked all

⏹️ ▶️ the game consoles took out all the other junk off of there got it all cleaned out and then i

⏹️ ▶️ put in the new receiver and the new blurry player and turn the receivers of paints that connect all the

⏹️ ▶️ speaker wires and it’s just a logistical nightmare but anyway i plugged it all in put everything back that

⏹️ ▶️ i could put the blueberry player back where the playstation three was because i used to be on a blue player i can have my

⏹️ ▶️ center channel speaker actually centered on my tv now which is nice because it didn’t fit on top of the george foreman grill

⏹️ ▶️ that was the three had three slim but still it’s rounded on top so

⏹️ ▶️ you couldn’t put a speed all relative yeah you couldn’t put a speaker on top of it because we skitter off

⏹️ ▶️ so anyway i’m happy with that set up and then i put the old t v back temporarily just so i could have

⏹️ ▶️ a t v to see the screen is what i was going to do is set up my surround thing if you haven’t set up

⏹️ ▶️ a receiver in recent years the way most of them work is you put your receiver in you pick up all your

⏹️ ▶️ speakers and everything and then they mostly have either a thing that you do with an on screen menu or

⏹️ ▶️ in modern days a thing you can do with like an app on your phone or something where they give you you might be confused

⏹️ ▶️ when you see this in the box a very very very long thin cord with a little like disc or puck

⏹️ ▶️ or knob at the end of it and that’s a microphone and what they want you to do is run

⏹️ ▶️ whatever their software is put that little microphone basically where your head would be as you sit

⏹️ ▶️ on the couch and it will play through all the speakers in your room and it will adjust the volume

⏹️ ▶️ and phase and all the other stuff of the speakers so that it sounds good in that seating position there’s lots of different software

⏹️ ▶️ that does this even my old receiver which was years and years ago had a system for doing this hey what about the people who sit on the

⏹️ ▶️ other parts of the couch well so the fancy yourselfer says we don’t just measure one position we can

⏹️ ▶️ that has like a three day model of the room and it says put it in like if you can imagine like the volume of

⏹️ ▶️ the room with various spots in it the the software i was using had up to seventeen positions that you

⏹️ ▶️ could measure and it would try to sort of average it together and try to make it sound ok

⏹️ ▶️ in most of the positions with no bad things this is important to me because my

⏹️ ▶️ room is weirdly shaped my speakers are weirdly placed it’s just not like every time you see one of these

⏹️ ▶️ things on tv it’s like i live in a rectangular room and my television is directly in front of me and the couch right in front of the

⏹️ ▶️ tv and my surround speakers are exactly at the corner like i don’t know who lives like that may be build like a dedicated

⏹️ ▶️ home theatre room but stay not my room is weird shape my tv in is in the corner

⏹️ ▶️ nothing is at right angles to anything nothing is at the height you expect as you know

⏹️ ▶️ so i have to do this sound adjustment thing the receiver i bought supports two different

⏹️ ▶️ sound adjustments things one that’s like the easier one that’s older older

⏹️ ▶️ and easier and built in i forget what the name of it’s called some acronym m c c or what something like that

⏹️ ▶️ and then the other one which is the fancy one that all the reviews if you look on youtube say oh this is the best

⏹️ ▶️ what do they call room compensations is the best room compensation feature is called dirac live d

⏹️ ▶️ i r a c space live i think you can do it on your phone i traded

⏹️ ▶️ it on the phone and it seemed to be wanting me to download a mac ap so i did it’s more comfortable with that anyway and

⏹️ ▶️ you run the mac ap and i was using like my tripod for my camera because the little microphone

⏹️ ▶️ screws into the little tripod top and it tells you where to put it around the room with the dry body and put it in a seating

⏹️ ▶️ us in that position in front of the couch behind the couch high low seventeen different positions this

⏹️ ▶️ sounds awful you also do volume adjustment it’s kind of fun because i mean the

⏹️ ▶️ app takes you through kind of like a wizard and it says first we’re going to test all your speakers to make sure this is suppose to be left front this

⏹️ ▶️ is the right to make sure gun wire crecy right and then it does volume adjustment and it plays like white noise to each of

⏹️ ▶️ the speakers it reminded me when i had an infinite home which just white noise in to the house and then when it does the sound testing

⏹️ ▶️ it’s like don’t make any noise if like a dog barks or a kid talks or something falls down it will

⏹️ ▶️ invalidate the test and you have to adjust the microphone game anyway it’s not a fun thing to do

⏹️ ▶️ none of this sounds fun it makes weird noises like because it does it goes like

⏹️ ▶️ you know it makes like various frequency noises and like echolocation things and low and high volume

⏹️ ▶️ and those high frequency noises can hurt yeah they have all things like be careful start with the volume

⏹️ ▶️ low and bring up you have to have a certain minimum value of the volume too low will complain and say with this test didn’t

⏹️ ▶️ work because your volume’s too low turned the volume up you know so i spent a while doing that this again this is with

⏹️ ▶️ the old tv but the new receiver because you know this receiver and the speakers aren’t going to change and the t isn’t really involved

⏹️ ▶️ in this process at all except showing me the on screen menus to set things up basically and then i’m sitting there with the mac laptop

⏹️ ▶️ which was pretty neat it was like wirelessly controlling everything through wifi guess the receivers on wifi of course in

⏹️ ▶️ this modern error the app but when they say like you know the simpler

⏹️ ▶️ one is built in and this is a more complicated one i should just use the simpler one this the more complicated one was

⏹️ ▶️ really complicated and really time consuming and i’m trying to tell everyone in my house everyone has to be quiet

⏹️ ▶️ my dog was the least of my for my kids were like i’m just going to walk up and down stairs and you know because if you move anywhere in my house

⏹️ ▶️ it makes noise my house makes noise if you move right it’s an old creaky house every door clank

⏹️ ▶️ every floorboard squeaks so it was a little bit unrest and didn’t particularly

⏹️ ▶️ enjoy it but it’s really important because i said my rose weird so when the delivery finally came i’m like

⏹️ ▶️ all this fancy delivery service is expensive to do they probably don’t want to send it fedex or you know u p

⏹️ ▶️ s they want to send their own dedicated things like you know a courier from the airport were going to call someone

⏹️ ▶️ up and they’re going to range for a time i did all that um i double checked because they send all these

⏹️ ▶️ automated emails like your delivery has been delayed because i was like is that because i delayed it it turns

⏹️ ▶️ out yeah it was because i was called back up and said i’m getting a delivery today and said yeah you are anyway who

⏹️ ▶️ comes to my house it’s a van with one guy oh no

⏹️ ▶️ one guy you send one guy with a sixty five inch television he’s got a little cart with wheels

⏹️ ▶️ on it but you know i went out there and helped them because i’m like look what i don’t know what

⏹️ ▶️ he one pays for this delivery but this thing should be carried by two people the box had like

⏹️ ▶️ nearing a typical sort of something has punched through this box and made a s shaped hole so there’s

⏹️ ▶️ a little flap it’s like how far did that go in right you know

⏹️ ▶️ and i i’m like pressing on it or whatever luckily that was the backside of the tv and it didn’t go in very far but

⏹️ ▶️ it did took pictures of it just in case and interestingly since i had just boxed up my old t

⏹️ ▶️ v yes of course i had the original box small t since i had just boxed out my old tv those are not

⏹️ ▶️ small no no it’s not small um it was a very big box

⏹️ ▶️ that was a fifty five inch plasma and a fifty five inch plasma weighs more than this tv and the

⏹️ ▶️ box is substantially larger i was surprised when i saw this box i know you know oleds are way

⏹️ ▶️ less than plasmas plasmas big heavy things mean this plasma had fans in the back of it a big glass

⏹️ ▶️ you know big battles around it the new box was smaller in all dimensions i think it was smaller just had less stuff and

⏹️ ▶️ you know i was like oh man you put more padding in this thing anyway the way my old box

⏹️ ▶️ works and things were so much better back in the old days and panasonic was still selling things here

⏹️ ▶️ it’s a very large box and if you read the instructions of how you’re supposed to get your

⏹️ ▶️ tv out of it it’s basically like there’s a base where the t tv is stuck in a bunch of styrofoam

⏹️ ▶️ you know like vertically and then the top of the box comes on off

⏹️ ▶️ the top of the box goes on to that base and touches the ground and the only

⏹️ ▶️ thing that’s holding that together are four holes that are through both the the

⏹️ ▶️ sort of top and the base and these little plastic sort of grommets they go through

⏹️ ▶️ both of them and snap in that’s literally when you’re picking that box up by i like the little handles on the

⏹️ ▶️ side you are picking up the cover the top of the box and that in turn is pulling on

⏹️ ▶️ those grommets and picking up the bottom part of the box and it’s like well that always seems for like a hundred something pound

⏹️ ▶️ box with the base and everything that it seems unsafe or whatever so the sunny comes we bring into the house

⏹️ ▶️ luckily the guy wasn’t some weird set up service thing he was just like all right i’m done i brought it in to your

⏹️ ▶️ house like good anyway as if you would let them set it up right now but the plasma people like we have to

⏹️ ▶️ open it up and make sure it works otherwise we won’t you know can you blame us for a delivery we have to like confirm that it

⏹️ ▶️ works or whatever you know and just like i don’t want it but this guy didn’t have to do that so i’m like how do you open

⏹️ ▶️ this wip so look the little instruction and it says oh the top lifts right off this is going to someone

⏹️ ▶️ from sony well explained to me how this works but i was like okay well i open up the

⏹️ ▶️ top of the box and i take some star foam out and then i see the piece of paper that says oh the top lifts off i take

⏹️ ▶️ the star from out i can see the boxes so i saw the holes in the back of the box and it didn’t hit the tv so that’s

⏹️ ▶️ good i was relieved about that and he said just the top of the box lifts off and i left the top of the

⏹️ ▶️ box off and i’m left with the base with star foam and the sticking out of it and i you know continue to you

⏹️ ▶️ know take the tv out of the styrofoam and put it down on the ground as i was going to attach the stand to the back and all that

⏹️ ▶️ stuff only later did it occur to me hey wait a second what was holding the top of

⏹️ ▶️ the box onto the bottom of the box i do not have that answer

⏹️ ▶️ right now because i can tell you when i when i reassembled the box there is

⏹️ ▶️ no visible connection i didn’t cut any tape i didn’t remove any grommets

⏹️ ▶️ and if you put the box back together and put your hands in the handles inside and pick it up it just lifts the

⏹️ ▶️ top back up again the bottom just stays behind i know this because the bottom like the stand that it comes with weighs

⏹️ ▶️ like fifty pounds it’s like the heaviest thing in the box and i’m not using that so i left that in the box so

⏹️ ▶️ i put them in the box put the top back on put my hands in the handles lift it up and the top comes right

⏹️ ▶️ off it’s very confusing the only thing i can think of is that the styrofoam that’s in there

⏹️ ▶️ your hands go into the handles and grab the styrofoam but that styrofoam doesn’t extend to the

⏹️ ▶️ bottom maybe that star foam grips the tv somehow i don’t know it’s confusing

⏹️ ▶️ and it doesn’t make me feel safe either anyway got the tv out i got to put the stand in the back

⏹️ ▶️ it’s the third party stand because i can’t use the one that came with is too wide so it’s like a pedicle

⏹️ ▶️ stand it’s from amazon to some random brand it is the most

⏹️ ▶️ sturdy looking least embarrassing looking one that i could find

⏹️ ▶️ lots of them are embarrassing like casey’s vis amounts on that

⏹️ ▶️ that’s that’s ugly i would not put that on my thing this is just a rectangle with a thing coming out of it

⏹️ ▶️ and it doesn’t rotate or anything because i didn’t want one that like didn’t didn’t doesn’t move tilt

⏹️ ▶️ and rotate it’s just everything is perpendicular because that’s the way i want it i never want to rotate it and never want

⏹️ ▶️ to tilt it and never want to do anything with it and luckily the back of the sony is fla flat

⏹️ ▶️ i was excited by that oh no no weird humps nothing weird like that and there was lots

⏹️ ▶️ of different connections things to put it on with washers and everything attached that put it on the the stand

⏹️ ▶️ connected the cables so much fewer cables than i had before because before i had so many things connected to

⏹️ ▶️ it back in my last t v i couldn’t really commit to having everything go through the receiver every game console

⏹️ ▶️ was directly connected to the tv and also could be connected through the receiver and i had

⏹️ ▶️ like two hd things hanging out in the back of one and i could swap them if i wanted like lower latency

⏹️ ▶️ than going through the receiver didn’t do that this time it’s just one ball start off with

⏹️ ▶️ two and eventually down to one connection from the receiver to the television and everything else goes to the receiver

⏹️ ▶️ most of my game consoles are now decorative so i removed all their power bricks and everything

⏹️ ▶️ like they used to you don’t realize how big the power books if you have if you have just

⏹️ ▶️ to there’s three of them if you have the the the we the we you and the gamecube they all have

⏹️ ▶️ giant external power bricks and wads of cords and everything is just a mess back there i was

⏹️ ▶️ glad to get rid of that but i still have those consoles there as decorations ah let’s see

⏹️ ▶️ what else did i do this thing the back panels are neat like there’s like there is a place to route the cables

⏹️ ▶️ and there’s these little sort of snap on speaking of cars you know if you ever know what body

⏹️ ▶️ clips look like on cars what parts of the outside of your car if you

⏹️ ▶️ see how cars are assembled and disassembled it really makes you wonder how they don’t fall apart more often

⏹️ ▶️ because lots of things are glued and lots of things are just clipped with these little plastic clips like

⏹️ ▶️ a little you know just past the lips that probably break when you disassemble them because there’s something that snaps into a little

⏹️ ▶️ slot or whatever that’s how these things work and it’s pretty nice because it’s easy to take on

⏹️ ▶️ and off and they snap into place and they hold firmly very happy with everything about the set

⏹️ ▶️ up process went surprisingly smoothly it just barely fits in

⏹️ ▶️ like i did all the measurements beforehand i’m like i think it’ll clear the radiator i think it won’t hit the wall

⏹️ ▶️ i think it won’t have to move any furniture thumbs up on all accounts but i cannot get a bigger television this

⏹️ ▶️ is a good a good wake up call to say sixty five is the limit my house cannot accommodate a larger

⏹️ ▶️ television that will literally hit walls and i do want to leave room for me to like worm behind it to get back there and

⏹️ ▶️ mess with stuff ah the remote it comes with is nice as with so many things that embarrasses the apple

⏹️ ▶️ remote not because it’s an amazing remote but it just shows that it’s not hard to do better than the apple remote we loved it

⏹️ ▶️ so much because the old woman is so bad but this is the sunny remote is it’s got sort of like a

⏹️ ▶️ textured plastic on the back so it’s more grippy than the smooth apple one it’s still too small but it’s

⏹️ ▶️ bigger than the apple one both length and with it has a pleasing heft to it and the way that they

⏹️ ▶️ used to make electronics feel expensive by making them feel dense they do that with this i don’t know what it’s filled with probably

⏹️ ▶️ literally like lead weights or whatever but hey it works it’s got light up buttons and only light up when you

⏹️ ▶️ pick the thing up it’s got a speaker on it so you can say something and it will make a beeping noise you could finally remote if you lose it not

⏹️ ▶️ that it would that would ever happen to me i got very very clicky circular

⏹️ ▶️ wheel on it it’s not as good as tivo remote but it it feels expensive and

⏹️ ▶️ it it’s the first of several remotes that came with the set up now had that now exist in my house

⏹️ ▶️ and had netflix buttons and amazon prime button on whatever the hell of their branded buttons that are on the things the

⏹️ ▶️ way of the world the television itself it’s basically edged edged screen it does have

⏹️ ▶️ a tiny little chin like less than an inch high and on a sixty five inch tv you don’t even

⏹️ ▶️ notice that and it’s black in terms of condition the only place i found blemish is on the tv where there’s a couple

⏹️ ▶️ little very small scratches on the metal chin that runs along the bottom

⏹️ ▶️ so small that you have to be like inches away from it to see them i noticed them when i was peeling off the the

⏹️ ▶️ little static clear plastic whatever that stuff is called that they put in all appliances now and that

⏹️ ▶️ people leave on because i don’t realize it’s there and honestly i would not have seen this either if i hadn’t been real close to the tv

⏹️ ▶️ like messing with the stand but yet there was a little plastic thing over the front and i peeled that off as co a couple

⏹️ ▶️ little nix in the the metal chin but not anything that i would ever do anything about

⏹️ ▶️ and that’s where the lights on the front of the television are there i think maybe

⏹️ ▶️ one or two of them both of which you can disable a

⏹️ ▶️ nice software features you know going through the settings and turning everything off it

⏹️ ▶️ also comes with a camera that clips onto the back and you know

⏹️ ▶️ points towards you i thought that was like an optional extra but it’s bundled with the tv should be for this price

⏹️ ▶️ anyway i don’t know the quality of the camera when i was attaching it it’s got magnets

⏹️ ▶️ it’s got two little magnets that magnetically it’s not magic it’s got two little magnets that

⏹️ ▶️ click it into this the thing where connections got a bunch of like little pin connector things it’s a proprietary

⏹️ ▶️ connection right but just when you click it in like that it’s still wobbly i think they made it

⏹️ ▶️ flexible so you know as it stiff and you tried to like you know move it or something you could crack it or whatever

⏹️ ▶️ but it’s like flexible and the reason i bring this up is because i connected it and the tv didn’t seem

⏹️ ▶️ to see the camera at all i just saw i couldn’t find out how can i use this camera i downloaded

⏹️ ▶️ like a google meeting ap or something to see if it would do something and it didn’t work and i like is this camera used

⏹️ ▶️ for anything cause i’d read reviews and they said oh the tv will scold you if kids sit too lose to the t v

⏹️ ▶️ if it sees them on the camera or whatever but this was i’m like is it not connected so i kept disconnecting

⏹️ ▶️ the camera reconnecting and disconnecting and reconnecting eventually i found out the t tv knows the camera is there because

⏹️ ▶️ there is a mechanical shutter on it you know a plastic thing that slides in front of the camera that you can keep closed

⏹️ ▶️ if you don’t want it to be on and you’re paranoid or whatever and when you close that a message pops up on the

⏹️ ▶️ tv screen and says to your camera of whatever thing is closed they won’t work until you open it it’s like haha you know

⏹️ ▶️ the cameras there and you know that i closed it but nothing uses it someone sent me a picture of their

⏹️ ▶️ same tv with a feature like in the settings that sees that the camera’s there but mine doesn’t see

⏹️ ▶️ it yet and the manual said you may need a software update or whatever but i’ve got the latest software anyway further

⏹️ ▶️ news on this camera eventually if i can’t get it to work i’m just going to take it off and stick the little panel that

⏹️ ▶️ covers the plug in it but i’m still willing to believe that the camera might do something someday

⏹️ ▶️ set a process was fine the first time i’ve ever used google tv it’s android

⏹️ ▶️ it’s fine it’s not as responsive as apple tv it makes me appreciate apple tv a littl bit but it’s plenty

⏹️ ▶️ responsive you can download as it’s got all the things you would expect built in i have yet another way to watch netflix

⏹️ ▶️ my blue ray player has a way to watch netflix as well everything has a way to watch netflix’s

⏹️ ▶️ what wouldn’t i don’t often has apple tea builds on but i think it does it it’s i think it’s also an airplay receiver without

⏹️ ▶️ the apple tv as well i mostly do things through the apple tv but just f it has the smart tv os thing that’s

⏹️ ▶️ built in there the only stumbling block i came upon when i was setting things up there’s

⏹️ ▶️ a lot of things a lot of tv apps when you set them up have a thing where you know like if you’re trying

⏹️ ▶️ to sign to youtube app or whatever it’s like just launch youtube on your phone and you’ll see a little notification

⏹️ ▶️ you can just say let me in right that’s as opposed to the old ways in the olden days you

⏹️ ▶️ would say go to youtube dot com slash active and type in this three letter code right well a lot

⏹️ ▶️ of the apps that do that would say just make sure your phone is on the same wifi network as your tv

⏹️ ▶️ and you know you’ll see a thing pop up and they’ll say that may take up to thirty seconds so be patient

⏹️ ▶️ apparently i’m not patient because i would launch these things and i would lunch the ap on my phone and i would say wait thirty seconds

⏹️ ▶️ and i would look at it and i would look at it and i realized this tv isn’t on the same wi fi network

⏹️ ▶️ is my phone in fact this tv is not on wi fi at all because why would i do that either of everything’s gone

⏹️ ▶️ the internet back there on the internet the television the blue ray player

⏹️ ▶️ all the game consoles everything is ethernet cause wires

⏹️ ▶️ they can be they’re better yeah i mean it’s like i have like ten port ethernet

⏹️ ▶️ switch by my tv entertainment center but that means it’s not on my five like i console the

⏹️ ▶️ others put it on my fifo during the setup process and so i went to wifi it found my network and

⏹️ ▶️ said enter your password for your network i enter the password and it shows a little spinner for a while

⏹️ ▶️ and this thing spins for i guess sixty seconds and it says couldn’t find your network sorry

⏹️ ▶️ i tried my guest network i tried re entering the password for both of them multiple times

⏹️ ▶️ this tv will not connect to any of my wife i googled for it and you

⏹️ ▶️ go for sony tv can’t connect to wifi all you find is like seo spam pages

⏹️ ▶️ that are just like i don’t know copy pasta of random things like reboot your router or whatever and then

⏹️ ▶️ real articles from people who just can’t get their wifi at work or whatever so apparently it’s not

⏹️ ▶️ a widespread problem or at least not that i know of but could never get it connected

⏹️ ▶️ to wi fi like i don’t need it to be connected by fi i don’t want it connected to wi fi it’s on ethernet that’s fine

⏹️ ▶️ and in practical purpose i think it probably would have eventually worked because is it is

⏹️ ▶️ on the same network as my phone it’s just not on the same wi fi as my phone and i think when they say

⏹️ ▶️ make sure it’s on the same wi fi they just assume everyone uses wi fi and not wire connections but

⏹️ ▶️ it is a kind of a sticking point is the one thing so far that besides the camera that i absolutely have

⏹️ ▶️ not been able to get to work the tv just wil not connect the wifi and each time it tries it spins for like sixty sixty seconds

⏹️ ▶️ so it’s kind of annoying to uh work through all that i went through all the settings

⏹️ ▶️ boy there are a lot of settings and and for me you’re going through

⏹️ ▶️ no off no no no i was disappointed to learn i don’t know i didn’t realize this but

⏹️ ▶️ sony is one of the holdout companies that’s not doing film maker mode on the tv s this

⏹️ ▶️ is a thing that entertainment industry convinced the television industry to do

⏹️ ▶️ film maker mode all caps it’s always in all caps probably because of branding reason or whatever they’ve really

⏹️ ▶️ that’s like a standardized name like mine has it but i just figured that was just like you know what they were calling it no it’s

⏹️ ▶️ like like an entertainment industry group like people who make movies like the movie studios got together with the

⏹️ ▶️ with the you know the tv manufacturers and came up with this thing it is a specific

⏹️ ▶️ trademarked thing that it’s kind of like you know dolby digital or whatever i like that

⏹️ ▶️ it’s not just the individual thinks and it’s always all caps right and the id between

⏹️ ▶️ filmmaker mode is a mode on television where the television won’t screw up the picture basically

⏹️ ▶️ no motion smoothing no denoising no over brightening no vibrance

⏹️ ▶️ adding no messing with the dark snow changing the frame rate like know nothing

⏹️ ▶️ show it the way it is on the disk or on the stream or whatever right it’s

⏹️ ▶️ the most accurate picture mode you’re not allowed to nave like that’s in the standard film maker motor

⏹️ ▶️ so this tv does not have filmmaker mode so you have to basically make

⏹️ ▶️ it yourself the custom setting what they describe it as is they say this is the most accurate

⏹️ ▶️ baba but you still have to go through and custom mode and turn off reality creation

⏹️ ▶️ turn off cine motion pro blend whatever tell all

⏹️ ▶️ these things all the sony brand names were like you know the denoise felting that

⏹️ ▶️ sharpening legs got to turn all that stuff off and by the way don’t

⏹️ ▶️ forget you got to do that for every input no i don’t have that many

⏹️ ▶️ inputs because of the receiver but i did my receiver confused to make a shot on the manual harvest at had

⏹️ ▶️ two hdmi outs had one called maine and one called sub and like why does it have two i

⏹️ ▶️ mean i guess you can so you can put two t v s but only one of them like it is the sub for

⏹️ ▶️ hdmi arc for set into a sound bar or or similar no

⏹️ ▶️ no they’re there the i forget which one sports each but it’s not it’s a separate thing

⏹️ ▶️ yeah no there there is a dedicated area port in the

⏹️ ▶️ receiver you can say one of the settings i found was like where do you want a vision do you want to do

⏹️ ▶️ it main or sub i’m like oh oh it’s kind of like zone two you know zone two for the audio

⏹️ ▶️ i think sub is like zone two for if you want to have literate two televisions showing two different things but only one

⏹️ ▶️ of them can do double vision like oh forget it i’m just not connecting anything to sub is just main and just just for the obvious thing

⏹️ ▶️ here it does not the sub for somehow i mean i suppose it’s an a it’s a my partner there

⏹️ ▶️ is there is dedicated subway for ports no it wouldn’t surprise me if like there are subway fers that accept

⏹️ ▶️ hi for some reason or something like that like i’m right there with you marco i’m not saying that’s what is it

⏹️ ▶️ is but i had the exact same thought does it only send the darkest parts of the picture to

⏹️ ▶️ that point crossover setting you can

⏹️ ▶️ change there so i just have maine connected i don’t have anything connected to sell but that but then i had two hd and

⏹️ ▶️ ports connected to her that was a little bit confusing and so i had to set the settings in both places doing

⏹️ ▶️ this having you know the television screen a receiver blueberry player applet

⏹️ ▶️ box or whatever there’s a lot of fighting for what goes on on the screen because

⏹️ ▶️ every one of those devices has something they want to display on the screen that

⏹️ ▶️ relates to the configuration of that device the receiver for example can take over the whole screen with

⏹️ ▶️ just its you eye which looks kind of like early two thousand’s web two point oh

⏹️ ▶️ and of like lots of gradients and you know artwork showing things or whatever

⏹️ ▶️ and you can configure the receiver that way right the blue ray player

⏹️ ▶️ has like a menu system that’s like it looks it looks older than the receiver

⏹️ ▶️ looks like a very blurry low resolution web page incredibly

⏹️ ▶️ slow animation like slower than any computer has ever been like moving the focus

⏹️ ▶️ ring for one thing to the other so slow that you would never want to use it so yeah my blueray player will do like

⏹️ ▶️ amazon prime video and netflix or whatever but you would never want to do anything i think its so

⏹️ ▶️ slow so here and then of course the receiver also has another way to

⏹️ ▶️ put your eye up on the screen and it’s the way a kind of reminds me of when like magus ten was maybe

⏹️ ▶️ public date maybe the developer preview one of the screenshots i included was like

⏹️ ▶️ a picture of a mac desktop or the desktop background or the boot screen or something like the

⏹️ ▶️ you know mac o sangue but with a bunch of eunuch texts

⏹️ ▶️ coming down the screen blacking out like the text is light text on a black

⏹️ ▶️ background and everywhere there’s text the line of text has like a black border around it

⏹️ ▶️ it’s just like it’s i’m not describing well but it’s as if eunuch had come

⏹️ ▶️ and scribbled over mac it’s like when your in flight monitor on the back of the seat crashes and it starts

⏹️ ▶️ rebooting its linux thing and ing all over the screen right but imagine that going over

⏹️ ▶️ the may only blocking out the parts where the lines are so it’s a short line of text like a little short black

⏹️ ▶️ that area or whatever that’s what the receiver also has a mode where it puts up like it looks like

⏹️ ▶️ a vcr kind of on screen display from like the late eighties right of like a fixed

⏹️ ▶️ with fant very bitmap or whatever it can put that on the screen as well for a

⏹️ ▶️ whole other set of feature and so every everybody has a way and the tv

⏹️ ▶️ itself can do a bar at the bottom can do multiple different bars at the bottom but could also do a full screen thing and of course

⏹️ ▶️ apple tv does the full screen thing and it’s there’s a lot of you eye going i have not settled this down

⏹️ ▶️ to the point where i’m ready to explain to the family is the new tv

⏹️ ▶️ but the good thing about that is that i am now

⏹️ ▶️ and hopefully by the time you hear this recording and h t i c c unicorn because now everything

⏹️ ▶️ and everything in the set up is every place except for the apple tv and the tivo

⏹️ ▶️ and if everything works you pick up an apple to

⏹️ ▶️ i know if you pick up the apple tv everything’s turned off pick up the apple your mote hit

⏹️ ▶️ the power button on it turns tv on switch to the apple tv turns the receiver on just everything

⏹️ ▶️ works if you turn it off turns everything off the apple i didn’t do anything the apple tv remote can change

⏹️ ▶️ the volume and do everything that the tv remote can control the volume and can also control

⏹️ ▶️ the apple tv somehow with like the four way thing everything just knows about each other and everything

⏹️ ▶️ works together i’m just like don’t touch anything i didn’t do anything to set this up this is just the way it worked

⏹️ ▶️ the only bad thing is occasionally if you turn stuff on sometimes

⏹️ ▶️ the t v wants to show it see why there’s a setting that says hey when i turn on what do you want me to do and i said show your last

⏹️ ▶️ input don’t go to the home screen but sometimes people like they want to use the tivo which are the oldest device you’ll turn

⏹️ ▶️ the tivo on and it’ll turn everything on but it’ll show the google tv menu and you have to basically dismiss

⏹️ ▶️ the full screen google tv menu it’s on the right input but you have to dismiss the go you know you to get

⏹️ ▶️ to the tv you it’s underneath it kind of confusing i’m still working on it the reason i mentioned the receiver

⏹️ ▶️ on screen display like linux crash thing or whatever is

⏹️ ▶️ because that’s the you i that you have to go to to select

⏹️ ▶️ the configuration that you saved with dirac live is not in the

⏹️ ▶️ web two point oh gradient illustrations of uh you know rca connectors and

⏹️ ▶️ speakers and stuff it’s not there when you use the mac app and you save it it’s like saving a game on

⏹️ ▶️ like you know an sixty four it’s like save this slot one and you have three slots so i

⏹️ ▶️ saved my configuration to slot one then you have to use the weird linux crash desktop

⏹️ ▶️ you eye to select it from slot one and i didn’t realize like i’m trying to watch things

⏹️ ▶️ i’m trying to watch shows test things out make sure everything works get the apple tv

⏹️ ▶️ to you know the output dolby vision for k and everything like that and it’s it’s just a bad battle

⏹️ ▶️ every step of the way is like what menu makes this possible like you have to go into the receiver and say oh do

⏹️ ▶️ you want your output to be for que a foru enhanced like why does force not enhanced

⏹️ ▶️ exist like change all the outputs to enhance oh now i can do dolby vision or whatever and

⏹️ ▶️ why we watched we actually watched a television how watch televison how my wife my house watch the new tv or what

⏹️ ▶️ two things one it was a tv show that we get started on disney plus already like not started

⏹️ ▶️ star but i have i have a habit where i will go to the next episode and get it to like one

⏹️ ▶️ second into the next episode and pause it so that when we’re ready to watch the next episode i don’t have to do anything

⏹️ ▶️ it’s already you know ready to go to the next episode right this is my way of avoiding the screen where you know i can never

⏹️ ▶️ find what i was watching so we had already started to watch this episode of this disney as show in disney plus

⏹️ ▶️ but we started to watch it on the old tv which was not for k and not h d r

⏹️ ▶️ so he watched the whole episode on the new t v and like this doesn’t look like it’s h d r i’m like well maybe the show is

⏹️ ▶️ an also doesn’t look like it’s for k well maybe this is not a fork show whatever we

⏹️ ▶️ watched the whole episode when i’m watching it the sound is wonky too i’m like this is was my old

⏹️ ▶️ surround just not configured well but this sounds like some of the channels sound louder than they should be in

⏹️ ▶️ the mix is weird then it started playing the next episode and it was four k and h d r i’m like whoa

⏹️ ▶️ so apparently because i had started the stream i like it just kept streaming

⏹️ ▶️ the thing that it had been streaming it wasn’t for the new tv and the second thing is i figured out oh i haven’t selected

⏹️ ▶️ slot one the theoretic life configuration and so i watched that show with

⏹️ ▶️ just on the default configuration which doesn’t compensate for my room’s weirdness and it sounded

⏹️ ▶️ terrible so it took me a few attempts to dial things and once

⏹️ ▶️ i enabled the direct live configuration slot is like oh everything sounds way better and

⏹️ ▶️ there’s a there’s a lot of that with like the different inputs and making sure things are configured and making sure everything is

⏹️ ▶️ sending it in the enhanced mode and making sure everything is set to choose the best quality

⏹️ ▶️ and got so many menus so i think i’m on i did

⏹️ ▶️ round one and round one of fixing then i slept on it did more internet research

⏹️ ▶️ did round two of fixing and i guess i’ll do round three i don’t know like

⏹️ ▶️ as i watch more things but i’m getting close i’m getting close to everything working correctly but

⏹️ ▶️ things like pretty smoothly i have to say like there was no other than not being able to get on the wifi everything

⏹️ ▶️ eventually worked oh one more barrier was the tivo remote i remember the tv

⏹️ ▶️ remotes but you could make the tivo remote control the power volume mute baby la

⏹️ ▶️ for your television and the way you do that is you have to type in this four digit code for your remote is like a

⏹️ ▶️ universal remote code no i said no you know how to talk to your tv and the tv

⏹️ ▶️ to a tivo menu thing you go through there and you say what brand of tv do you have and you pick and it says okay well it’s

⏹️ ▶️ going to be one of these six codes or one of these twelve codes hold down these two buttons for five seconds table

⏹️ ▶️ where light comes on then type the code and then try the power button and just keep doing that i did that for

⏹️ ▶️ all the codes and none of them worked and then i’m like well this is the brand new tv let me search online

⏹️ ▶️ i found a bunch more codes for sony televisions typed them all in none of them worked and

⏹️ ▶️ then eventually one of them turned off the tv and like oh that one worked okay but the volume seems wonky so i tried some

⏹️ ▶️ more codes like oh none of those work let me go back to the one that worked and then that woman wouldn’t work either

⏹️ ▶️ that’s when i started having you know the uh the debugger the programmer debugger thinking

⏹️ ▶️ and i think all right what explains this mono of course it’s like replaced the batteries

⏹️ ▶️ and sure enough like all my work is like depending on like if i was an inch or two

⏹️ ▶️ you know like how far away i was from the television replaced the batteries and now like six of the codes work and

⏹️ ▶️ so that problem is mostly solved the volume is still wonky but mostly to see the power but to work but yet everything

⏹️ ▶️ was pretty smooth there’s a lot to explore on this tv i am never going to use the blue rays interface

⏹️ ▶️ except to play blue ray disks a cause thing is super janky i hope i never have to use the receiver

⏹️ ▶️ interface once i get everything tuned in i did try my playstation five in it i tried you know

⏹️ ▶️ i played destiny in h d r a hundred twenty frames per second and it was pretty sweet

⏹️ ▶️ but not sweet enough to burn in my old head and actually not as not as good

⏹️ ▶️ in pvp as my gaming monitor because it helps for my old eyes to be really

⏹️ ▶️ close and see everything at crisp pixels like i’m really close to my twenty seven inch monitor and i’m like ten feet

⏹️ ▶️ away from my sixty five inch tree so it looked real nice but honestly one twenty frames

⏹️ ▶️ for second versus sixty it doesn’t affect my reflexes are too slow

⏹️ ▶️ for that to make a difference like the input the lag difference or whatever it’s not going to save me

⏹️ ▶️ and when you do one twenty eight it drops it a ten eighty in destiny because the playstation five can’t

⏹️ ▶️ do one twenty four k so i honestly prefer four sixty but anyway that the ps i went

⏹️ ▶️ back to the gaming monitor but i didn’t try that out i played blue rays i played movies i played a bunch of

⏹️ ▶️ four kh r demo footage on youtube which was fun oh the other thing i had heard

⏹️ ▶️ about youtube tv they’re like oh hey when you get a four k tv you should look at youtube tv which is one of the services

⏹️ ▶️ lets you replace your cable with something that in theory gives you like all the regular channels you

⏹️ ▶️ know you pay for hbo and showtime you get local channels and it’s it’s like a cable package but over the internet right there’s

⏹️ ▶️ a lot of those things but the youtube tv selling point is they have four channels so i pay for

⏹️ ▶️ whatever the most expensive thing for rising sells me as part of my files package to get all the channels which

⏹️ ▶️ is nice because i don’t have to pay individually for h b on showtime they come as part of my cable package but i still get to use

⏹️ ▶️ the h b o max ap and the showtime app and all that other stuff so that’s convenient but they’re not

⏹️ ▶️ when you watch them on a tv like when i watch them on my tivo which is not fork anyway but like the

⏹️ ▶️ signal that comes to my television through my cable card is not force but if you use out t t

⏹️ ▶️ and my fast internet connection also from verizon is a thus ben sponsored by verizon

⏹️ ▶️ is it verizon’s ultra fast nationwide five g ultra wide band network is not five g thankfully

⏹️ ▶️ it is fiber optic and it’s very fast and you two t v has channels in four k and you know

⏹️ ▶️ you want to watch hd tv and four k you can but not through your cable company only

⏹️ ▶️ through youtube tv so i tried out youtube tv but it was like a free trial type thing

⏹️ ▶️ it seemed pretty expensive because it was like fifty bucks to the base thing plus like you know for each one of the

⏹️ ▶️ hbo showtime or whatever another twelve or whatever bucks plus a nine dollar like a blanket surcharge if

⏹️ ▶️ you want four k cause that’s a thing but anyway i did the free trial with everything enabled for kba bland sure

⏹️ ▶️ enough you can get four k versions of channels but there you i for like you know going

⏹️ ▶️ through the guide it only goes one guide slide at a time

⏹️ ▶️ like so you know you’re on channel five not that that’s the channel number but anyway you’re on channel five and you

⏹️ ▶️ swipe down or move the five way it goes to channel six then seven then eight like on the big

⏹️ ▶️ guide grid that you see no one’s got time to do that it’s not smooth there’s no way to flick

⏹️ ▶️ scroll it right just one at a time and there are so many channels at least on tivo

⏹️ ▶️ you have page up page down you go through screen falls at a time when you’re looking at the guide or

⏹️ ▶️ on apple tv you would use the touchpad and it would have momentum scrolling i’m sorry you to

⏹️ ▶️ tv but that is literally the reason i cancelled that services because i cannot imagine

⏹️ ▶️ going through this you eye to find things to watch or record it like does a d

⏹️ ▶️ v r type thing as well a service i dvr it didn’t it didn’t seem to have a season pass manager either when

⏹️ ▶️ i cancelled it they sent me this big survey like why did you cancel i’m like just copy everything to you did because you no have no idea

⏹️ ▶️ what you’re doing is good for content terrible

⏹️ ▶️ you y i tried the youtube tv app on the television itself which is a google you runs google

⏹️ ▶️ tv and i also tried the youtube tv app on apple tv and they are both very bad so

⏹️ ▶️ it’s not even as good as the netflix you are in terms of recommendations and everything they’ve got a long way to go so i

⏹️ ▶️ was disappointed by that but at least it saves me somebody so anyway i get the whole experience a

⏹️ ▶️ big thumbs up i am much more excited and impressed by the television than anyone else in my family i can

⏹️ ▶️ tell you that it’s a surprise yeah it’s just they don’t care i mean i

⏹️ ▶️ show i show them the footage of the the honey dripping onto the thing on a black background how you’re

⏹️ ▶️ not impressed by that there’s no there’s no blooming it’s the hdr every pixel is individually lit

⏹️ ▶️ up it looks amazing nobody cared like you understand

⏹️ ▶️ i think we need to buy and worst television to put next to it and say see

⏹️ ▶️ we see what a mess this looks like i’ll send you guys a picture i did

⏹️ ▶️ take a picture of my beauty shot on television if i can find it i will send it

⏹️ ▶️ to you now i’m sorry i should have asked this a long long time ago but i didn’t want to ruin your whole moment

⏹️ ▶️ what is the actual model number for this tv it is the sony a ninety

⏹️ ▶️ five k in my opinion unless you are a hardcore gamer with a modern console that

⏹️ ▶️ you want to play at four k a hundred twenty frames per second it is the best television you can buy right now

⏹️ ▶️ it is quantum dot oled television sony a ninety five k

⏹️ ▶️ the name just rolls off the tongue you bought an amazon starting in a couple of weeks really i was wondering when i

⏹️ ▶️ was gonna appear like amazon says be released in august eleventh yeah that’s nice check out the picture

⏹️ ▶️ you can see what you can see this but probably won’t be in the show because it is a picture of my house but you can see the

⏹️ ▶️ center child speaker is now in the center see the stand very boring well that’s a very

⏹️ ▶️ boring stand here is an important quality of the stand i can hide cables behind it that is not

⏹️ ▶️ really nice if you remember before i had that v shaped thing or had without a hole in the middle

⏹️ ▶️ you had to run the cables down the v this i just have it stuck to the back of that thing totally

⏹️ ▶️ hidden this actually looks pretty nice i mean i know this is you know right after clean up and set up and rewiring and everything

⏹️ ▶️ so of course this is like as nice as it’s ever going to look no it never changes from this this is always how it looks you can ask anyone in

⏹️ ▶️ my family nothing about this set up changes even once i get set on the order of the little d v d things

⏹️ ▶️ which are also decorative by the way ah those also never change you you can see the range of the tv see

⏹️ ▶️ how it’s over the radiator and almost touching the wall and on the left side there’s a big enough channel

⏹️ ▶️ for if i move those plastic bins i can squeeze myself through there

⏹️ ▶️ putting my butt into the window right to reach behind it for the wiring to get

⏹️ ▶️ to get behind it to do all the wiring stuff i know you’re right this is this is as big as you can go

⏹️ ▶️ in that spot for surely unless you somehow rearranged that room to have the tv not in the

⏹️ ▶️ corner but i don’t you can’t put it over the left right isn’t there a mantle there there’s a gigantic fireplace and

⏹️ ▶️ mantle there yeah you can’t yeah so i think this is it this is as big as you can go and that that shade

⏹️ ▶️ and left is light blocking shade right so you don’t get any light behind a thing you can see the stupid camera on the top

⏹️ ▶️ of it um i do like this stand it served me well to get glass shelves holds everything

⏹️ ▶️ up pretty well i did micro level it a cause of course nothing my at my house

⏹️ ▶️ is level micro level what is micro levelling it’s mostly level if

⏹️ ▶️ you put a level on it and you look at the little bubbles between the two lines what is it in the middle between

⏹️ ▶️ the two lines my god almost and so when a micro

⏹️ ▶️ level it i love everything what i want to tell was is the third party stand level because maybe the third

⏹️ ▶️ party stand is wonky right so that’s why i was looking at it with the level again and i realized

⏹️ ▶️ on the right side could go up a little and i didn’t want to try to put any tiny shims under the right side

⏹️ ▶️ of the piece of furniture because it’s so heavy with all its stuff on it and it only needed to go up so i what i

⏹️ ▶️ did as i took some cardboard out of the recycling like not cardboard like corrugated cardboard but like the cardboard

⏹️ ▶️ that like a cardboard box that a plastic ziplock bags come in that kind of cardboard and

⏹️ ▶️ i cut one thickness of that one one tiny square of that and i put one of those

⏹️ ▶️ underneath each of the right hand feet on this on the stand now it’s really level

⏹️ ▶️ wow i’m so happy for you does it bother you i don’t want to you know i don’t even read

⏹️ ▶️ it never mind now go ahead tell me is there something some problem with my television that needs to

⏹️ ▶️ address i am prepared does it bother you that the bezel is thicker on the bottom than either side

⏹️ ▶️ of it yeah that’s fine like i said it is that’s the only place where there’s a vessel that there’s like that less than one inch

⏹️ ▶️ wide metal strip across all thing i think this is also before i turned off the l d so i think it’s on in this thing

⏹️ ▶️ it’s like a status indicator for the microphone cause of course this thing is a microphone that you can make listening

⏹️ ▶️ to it but no it’s it’s a chin but like it’s the smallest chin you’ve ever seen my wife was saying

⏹️ ▶️ it is disconcerting to her that the image like went to the edge of the thing oh and the i mean you know this about

⏹️ ▶️ quantum dot oled like the viewing angle is unbelievable plasmas have good viewing angles and

⏹️ ▶️ so do most oleds but like cause cause this thing is on an angle you can get some pretty harsh angles if you’re coming in the

⏹️ ▶️ room against the wall whatever it it never changes it’s it’s the same brightness the same colors

⏹️ ▶️ from any direction it’s phenomenal looking but yeah the chin doesn’t bother me at all yeah

⏹️ ▶️ our beach tv is the stupid samsung frame which is lcd and not even

⏹️ ▶️ a very good lcd it’s is like you know box standard kind of edge lit lcd and every

⏹️ ▶️ time we go to west chester and i have my old old lad there every time

⏹️ ▶️ i’m like whoa first of all good to see the minecraft hud burned in still but

⏹️ ▶️ second of all oh my god it looks so much better like it when i go from

⏹️ ▶️ lcd to oled oh my god such a big difference it is

⏹️ ▶️ so much better and cut old versus w r g b oled is yet

⏹️ ▶️ a step further and viewing it because the regular oleds do color tint off axis and get a little

⏹️ ▶️ bit him or not as bad as lcds obviously but a little bit but this this cute just does not change

⏹️ ▶️ from any angle it’s it is really it’s kind of disconcerting it’s it’s pretty amazing

⏹️ ▶️ um we’re talking about those plastic bins you see next to the thing they just have a bunch of

⏹️ ▶️ like old gamecube controllers and stuff in there was is like well now that you

⏹️ ▶️ don’t have the gamecube connecting more we can get rid of those bins i’m like i don’t know they’re kind of an important

⏹️ ▶️ decorative element of the set up wait those just live there for like all the time yeah

⏹️ ▶️ well if you want to use one of the consoles that’s where like the we modes

⏹️ ▶️ are and the game controllers which are wired and there’s a waver in there the memory cards like all that

⏹️ ▶️ stuff is in there your tv setup is so carefully curated to look

⏹️ ▶️ nice and everything you can’t just have plastic bins sitting next to it but the plastic bins are

⏹️ ▶️ also carefully curated like for example that you gotta have that nicer if that stuff

⏹️ ▶️ if that stuff has to be there you gotta have some kind of like nice little piece there and it can’t just be you know plastic

⏹️ ▶️ bins so like i said the white gamecube control that you can see in the bottom bin with one handle of

⏹️ ▶️ that is a brand new never been used white gamecube controller just sitting there pristine inside

⏹️ ▶️ the thing yeah that is not on display john that’s just in a bad it’s kind of on display

⏹️ ▶️ outlook it’s just in it that’s just a good as i think about it anyway they’re they’re nicely also the important functions

⏹️ ▶️ we have to put something there because there’s an outlet behind there that things are plugged into

⏹️ ▶️ a not attractive looking things so like there’s a there’s a clock on

⏹️ ▶️ the mantle but it’s a usb powered clock and it’s connected to like a usb cable that plugs into

⏹️ ▶️ a wall wart type thing so i do need something to block like the speaker wires go by there you can’t really see him but

⏹️ ▶️ the speaker wires are going that direction to it ain’t something there to hide the shame of the unwell

⏹️ ▶️ but you have to put something that doesn’t add its own shame clear plastic bins full of

⏹️ ▶️ stuff are their own shame i like i like i like i am comforted by the idea of having clear plastic

⏹️ ▶️ bins filled with console controls is also a very slim ps two inside there as well and there

⏹️ ▶️ is a couple spare to my cables they could be a little beater there is a little bit of a disruption

⏹️ ▶️ to the stuff in there let’s say when i was you know removing so i could re age the little but i actually

⏹️ ▶️ kind of like having bins full of old console controllers next television it makes me feel good same reason

⏹️ ▶️ like what why to hell those things on the things that are d v d size cases first of all are d v d size

⏹️ ▶️ cases instead of blue race because d v d cases are taller and they’re basically filling space and what the they

⏹️ ▶️ are are games that i really like mostly in the order that i like them a modulo

⏹️ ▶️ a an order that makes the color arrangement nicer the right hand side is not to adjust its a little

⏹️ ▶️ bit off but yeah those are that’s that’s decorative and

⏹️ ▶️ also its displaying favorites and if you were to look to the left you’ll see another

⏹️ ▶️ area filled with decorative slash favorites of more d v d cases than blueray cases it’s

⏹️ ▶️ not ideal but it’s kind of what i’ve gotten used to see that’s something like i think your your arrangement of

⏹️ ▶️ anachronistic dvd cases and game discs that you can’t play anymore that actually i think looks

⏹️ ▶️ nice but then when you compare it to the plastic bins of crap to the left those don’t

⏹️ ▶️ look right crap that’s not crap those gamecube controls alone to book is through college people

⏹️ ▶️ want those completely unused original so seldom now while they’re still

⏹️ ▶️ they’re priceless to me so you want those what

⏹️ ▶️ you’re saying no one else wants them as much as you do people like oh another another happy

⏹️ ▶️ coincidence right so you see the tv there on top of the tivo is my new blueray player which is just

⏹️ ▶️ a black rectangular whatever i would have reared that arrangement but the tivo is deeper i so i got to put the bigger one on

⏹️ ▶️ the bottom and then above that is my central speaker there is zero space

⏹️ ▶️ that speaker is literally touching the top thing you you slide it and

⏹️ ▶️ it goes like it is touching the underside of the table i did not plan this but it exactly

⏹️ ▶️ fits which means that you can never replace the tivo or the blueberry player yeah i don’t know

⏹️ ▶️ what what would i buy if they don’t make any different blue ray players and the tivo someone’s just offering me

⏹️ ▶️ potentially another tivo romeo pro which is the model i have which is the best tivo that has ever been made if

⏹️ ▶️ you buy a brand new tivo today you cannot get home with as much storage space as the one that’s sitting there which boggles

⏹️ ▶️ my mind like that thing is but five years old six like hard drive size is huge now but now

⏹️ ▶️ they’re all smaller and crappie anyway i hope it never breaks if it does i might

⏹️ ▶️ just lever there is a decorative element you know we were speaking of you sean harding had talked to us about

⏹️ ▶️ the audi you know end points and deprecation i guarantee that the tivo is not

⏹️ ▶️ going to be to be around much longer it’s just they should have been dead a million times over i don’t understand how they’re

⏹️ ▶️ still functioning and yet they do and the tivo still has an amazing response of interface that is nicer to

⏹️ ▶️ use than any of the modern things it looks old and dated now but just how fast it

⏹️ ▶️ plays pauses jumps forward and backwards and auto skips commercials by hitting the green button like nothing matches

⏹️ ▶️ that i mean it seems like at this point tivo is kind of undead like i think it seems

⏹️ ▶️ like it should have died so many times it seems like it shouldn’t still be working and yet it is at this point it seems like

⏹️ ▶️ it’s unkillable and i would expect it to outlast probably everything else in this picture we’ll say

⏹️ ▶️ i mean that blue re player is the same one i’ve been selling for six years or whatever let us continue to sell that

⏹️ ▶️ as a blue classic i can’t i really should take some screenshots of the u i or

⏹️ ▶️ some movies of it you however bad you think it is it’s worse while john i

⏹️ ▶️ am genuinely happy for you i am glad that after a long arduous eight

⏹️ ▶️ years you are finally in a position to get a brand new television and it sounds like

⏹️ ▶️ you aren’t going to need to buy one again for a long time i really hope not

⏹️ ▶️ or i mean i kind of feel like when i got my parama three five i was buying you know

⏹️ ▶️ the first like this people remember there was a big distant continuity with the parama

⏹️ ▶️ five cause the the g four was stuck for the really long time with the slow front side bus and it’s like when are they going

⏹️ ▶️ to make a tower computer that’s worthy of the process or whatever and they came out with the g five which had amazing specs that

⏹️ ▶️ leaked but no one believed because they were so amazing and it was the very first generation of that product and

⏹️ ▶️ i had problems and it was weird like my power supply chirped and it was you know it was like they would

⏹️ ▶️ work it out you know it produced a lot of heat the fans were a little bit noisy they would they would make better

⏹️ ▶️ a g five tower computers letter and eventually much better intel based mac pros in the

⏹️ ▶️ same case right this is the very first generation quantum dot oled television there’s you

⏹️ ▶️ know there’s a samsung one and there’s this one that’s it and they come in fifty five and six sizes i’m buying

⏹️ ▶️ a first generation product and so that’s a little bit scary but hey i don’t want to wait any longer and

⏹️ ▶️ be i think for our first gen product unless there’s some catastrophic problem that we haven’t figured out yet i’m

⏹️ ▶️ doing okay and if if this you know if i have to replace this television like if something goes wrong it turns out

⏹️ ▶️ the first and products they all died after two years i’ll just buy another cute oet and by then they would have worked out the

⏹️ ▶️ kinks and it hopefully won’t be a herend sly expensive as this so i’m living in your future some day

⏹️ ▶️ you will all listeners and cohost have a quantum natoli television probably and

⏹️ ▶️ you’ll like it a lot because it’s really nice why anything too like you know first generation it would be

⏹️ ▶️ one thing if this was the first oled but it’s not it’s it’s the first of an evolution

⏹️ ▶️ of existing technologies the very first oleds probably had significant more problems with

⏹️ ▶️ like burning and stuff like that or you know the blue pixels dying moreover time or whatever it is but you

⏹️ ▶️ know this is i would expect this being just a minor revolution really of all the technology

⏹️ ▶️ i would expect this to be pretty safe yeah i mean they have learned a lot from the

⏹️ ▶️ other oleds but technologically speaking this screen just operates differently than the other ones it has a different backlight

⏹️ ▶️ it has different pixel structures and manufactured in a different way it’s learned a lot from the other ones but

⏹️ ▶️ the technologies that are in the very best w r g w leds are actually slightly different than this like the way they

⏹️ ▶️ deal with their issues like think that new w r w always used like deter or something to try to like avoid

⏹️ ▶️ burned like they have different approaches whereas this one has defence against

⏹️ ▶️ burnin for different reasons because it doesn’t have to make the backlight as bright because

⏹️ ▶️ you know because more of the light gets transmitted so they can turn the backlight down and get and they can match the brightness

⏹️ ▶️ of hbo leds at a fraction of the power and a fraction of the actual light output because more

⏹️ ▶️ light actually makes it to your eyeballs same thing with like the polarizer and everything and the pixels being

⏹️ ▶️ you know kind of closer to the surface of the screen not really but like looking like that because there’s less crap between

⏹️ ▶️ the thing that makes the color and your eyeballs that’s why the viewing angles are good that’s why the color purity

⏹️ ▶️ is good there’s no white sub pixels just red green and blue on all of them the pixels

⏹️ ▶️ are in a different arrangement so if you look at this next w r g b o a it actually looks significantly different

⏹️ ▶️ so there is a potential of this to be catastrophically terrible and made a regret this in two years but i really hope

⏹️ ▶️ not i don’t think you will i think you’re going to be very happy with this probably for longer than you

⏹️ ▶️ should ahem tivo ahem all your macros ahem your last tv

⏹️ ▶️ can i can imagine if they made a four k tivo romeo pro boy that amazing

⏹️ ▶️ you’re the only one left who would buy it just just making it but i would pay a lot for it

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S3 clones

⏹️ ▶️ so forever ago i put in a thing in the show notes for the aftershow that

⏹️ ▶️ i thought we would get to at some point and we just haven’t yet that’s fine and what i wrote was

⏹️ ▶️ is it okay to copy a competitor’s p i and i don’t remember what specifically got me thinking about this but i thought

⏹️ ▶️ about how like andre didn’t necessarily copy in a p i as much as they copied like all of java and

⏹️ ▶️ then i’ll probably have the details wrong about that but you get the idea and then a semi

⏹️ ▶️ recently cloudflare came out with this or two thing which i guess is like an amazon s three

⏹️ ▶️ clone or something like that and now this is suddenly relevant anew

⏹️ ▶️ so marco what you been up to lately so the reason i brought this up the reason i

⏹️ ▶️ thought today was good for this was literally just today

⏹️ ▶️ i used an s three clone service for the first time and it was our sponsor linode

⏹️ ▶️ it was their linode object storage service which is another s three

⏹️ ▶️ clone backblaze has their own two backblaze b two it’s called which i’ve mentioned

⏹️ ▶️ before because that’s one of the storage back ends that you can use with various backup tools

⏹️ ▶️ for things like synology backups and things like that and so what

⏹️ ▶️ most of these services do is they implement the s three

⏹️ ▶️ p i with an s three like service behind it i don’t know so leads

⏹️ ▶️ seem to be running this software package called sef ceph i don’t know how many of

⏹️ ▶️ them are set based or or what but based on my experience

⏹️ ▶️ with sep i’d worry about that a little bit but i can tell you on this so it’s not

⏹️ ▶️ just services like btw and this cloud for thing everybody influences

⏹️ ▶️ if you buy quote unquote enterprise storage like you buy like hardware with a bunch of boxes

⏹️ ▶️ that you’re going to put in your data center from like a m c or del or i b m they also

⏹️ ▶️ all those boxes also support the strap it has become the standard storage api across

⏹️ ▶️ the entire enterprise storage industry and by the way when they say we implement the s strap

⏹️ ▶️ they always mean we implement a subset of the strap as

⏹️ ▶️ it existed in whatever we made this because the s w a p i is always changing and nobody implements

⏹️ ▶️ all of it doesn’t mater if you’re just doing gets and puts and stuff like that but the s t a p i does not stand

⏹️ ▶️ still and nobody implements all the features but it is standardized this is relevant to the discussion it is standardized

⏹️ ▶️ across the entire industry everybody implements the history of you for the most part

⏹️ ▶️ you know and you’re right it is always a subset and it is oftentimes outdated but you know frankly

⏹️ ▶️ when you look at amazon’s full as three feature set there is so

⏹️ ▶️ much complexity available there that almost no users of it actually

⏹️ ▶️ need now if you’re one of the people who needs it obviously great good for you but most usage is

⏹️ ▶️ three and its and its various clone services or compatible service whatever you want to call

⏹️ ▶️ them is that basic stuff you know get put list you know stuff like that it’s like

⏹️ ▶️ a million features they have though it’s kind of like the thing where like you have a thousand customers

⏹️ ▶️ each of which needs one one thousandth of your feature set and it’s spread over the whole thing cause those features don’t exist

⏹️ ▶️ for no reason companies ask for them i have this experience on my past job we

⏹️ ▶️ wanted features from s three that s three didn’t provide and through the magic of giving

⏹️ ▶️ them millions of dollars for her a w s services and waiting several years those features appeared

⏹️ ▶️ in as three and we used them and it made our lives better we may be the only people who

⏹️ ▶️ this probably in our future we weren’t the only people i think it’s a common thing or whatever but like every one of those

⏹️ ▶️ features is a mystery is there because some big company that pays millions and millions

⏹️ ▶️ of dollars wanted it and they put it there and there’s those companies use it and they’re never going to remove it because

⏹️ ▶️ you’ve got multimillion dollar customers using it but when you’re using a third party

⏹️ ▶️ thing like i don’t know what you want to call it like a clone service or whatever they just implement whatever subject they feel

⏹️ ▶️ like they want to support and they’re not as big as the of us they probably don’t have customers paying the million dollars

⏹️ ▶️ so you know we do the basic file operations and people are happy but those those

⏹️ ▶️ things that are in it they aren’t there for no reason oh no agreed it’s not for no reason but yeah

⏹️ ▶️ but i think it’s it’s usually very narrow appeal for most of the and and this is true you

⏹️ ▶️ know most of w s like when you you know if you like me originally

⏹️ ▶️ used you you know in like two thousand eight or something or like back back when

⏹️ ▶️ it was much younger and much simpler if you look at it today it’s almost unrecognizable with how much complexity

⏹️ ▶️ there is in various parts of it but there is a large market for that simpler

⏹️ ▶️ subset of things and you know for most people like me like you know making a web app that uses

⏹️ ▶️ some kind of you know basic storage or something whatever subset is implemented by by these

⏹️ ▶️ clone services is everything we need plus more so anyway the reason i was

⏹️ ▶️ looking at this is that i’ve been looking to with my overcast servers i’ve been looking

⏹️ ▶️ to both reduce cost if possible and where possible and also

⏹️ ▶️ increase resiliency to reduce the amount of headroom i have performance wise and to reduce

⏹️ ▶️ the incident of problems that i had to deal with because if things get overloaded

⏹️ ▶️ or whatever and so one of the ways i was doing that was kind of taking advantage

⏹️ ▶️ of s three as both infinite space and cheap space

⏹️ ▶️ and as a kind of infinite load capacity for high requested

⏹️ ▶️ things and to offload certain high volume requests off of

⏹️ ▶️ my main infrastructure because you know i’ve run all these servers at linode i have all these app servers i have

⏹️ ▶️ a couple of load bouncers in front of them and you know the more requests i can

⏹️ ▶️ not even send there the easier the load is on those servers that i can save money on those servers

⏹️ ▶️ and save resources and have more head room and stuff like that so um using

⏹️ ▶️ us three and also putting cloudflare in front of it not cloud front not the not the amazon

⏹️ ▶️ cdn cloud flair the entirely separate service to you mean cloud watch

⏹️ ▶️ no i mean cloud flare

⏹️ ▶️ and the trick with cloud flare is that it’s a cdn

⏹️ ▶️ that is flat rate and does not charge you for transfer it’s

⏹️ ▶️ unlimited you know whatever that means in technology you there’s always a bunch of asterisks but it’s at least unmetered

⏹️ ▶️ seemingly transfer you don’t pay per bite served the and

⏹️ ▶️ it’s not that expensive you know they have a free plan i’m using the one that’s two hundred bucks a month but and i’m sending

⏹️ ▶️ hundreds of gigs like i’m sending much more bandwidth through it than what that

⏹️ ▶️ would normally buy you know it’s like hundreds of gigs per day that i’m serving though it’s a large amount

⏹️ ▶️ of bandwidth for for a two hundred dollar a month plan and frankly i think i actually

⏹️ ▶️ could be fine on the free plan the downside of cloudflare being your cdn

⏹️ ▶️ is that its retention is pretty crappy you so you get what

⏹️ ▶️ you pay for in terms of its cash retention and so it does have to go back to the origin a lot

⏹️ ▶️ which in my case is as three and you do pay for that because amazon

⏹️ ▶️ charges you not only you know some small amount per request but they also charge you most significantly

⏹️ ▶️ in transfer costs like whatever egress only though yes egress only but as

⏹️ ▶️ you can do anything within it of us this so many astri on how ow they charge

⏹️ ▶️ for asked three including a data transfer you have to know where you’re sending from where you’re sending

⏹️ ▶️ to yes however and that being said i think you can look at a lot of amazon

⏹️ ▶️ web services pricing and you know some of it’s reasonable the the data transfer

⏹️ ▶️ you know the egress fees are exorbitant they have

⏹️ ▶️ very very healthy profits on those this is like apple ram pricing

⏹️ ▶️ for transfer and it’s different though because in us people don’t pay those prices

⏹️ ▶️ it’s kind of like i do yeah but yeah if you big companies

⏹️ ▶️ don’t pay the prices that you see little people who are doing one thing yes that’s what you pay but nobody nobody

⏹️ ▶️ is a big company pays the prices that you see listed in a yeah so anyway so i’m serving

⏹️ ▶️ a couple of things here i’m serving the podcast artwork thumbnails

⏹️ ▶️ from there so that way like we know when you bring up the directory when you search so thumbnails

⏹️ ▶️ load really fast i’m also in the latest update of overcast i’m serving

⏹️ ▶️ the the kind of like overcast custom jason format

⏹️ ▶️ of episode list data slice the list of episodes that are in a feed

⏹️ ▶️ in my data format that is sent to the app that is now being served from the heathen

⏹️ ▶️ and the idea here is when a podcast publishes a new episode

⏹️ ▶️ that gets updated and then and then the server send a push on a vacation to all the copies of the app saying hey update

⏹️ ▶️ this and then all the copies of the app that are subscribed to that feed all have to pull that

⏹️ ▶️ same file within a few minutes so i figure to cdn is perfect for that because not only will it be faster

⏹️ ▶️ but that’s a whole bunch of cash hits that won’t hit any part of my infrastructure so it’ll

⏹️ ▶️ it’ll save on mine will save you know those big load spikes which it does

⏹️ ▶️ and it’s been great the the downside is that again the cloudflare

⏹️ ▶️ hit rate is not great because their retention rate isn’t very good because you know i mean

⏹️ ▶️ i’m talking hundreds of gigs of data here that are that are potentially being cashed and they’re

⏹️ ▶️ not going to spend hundreds of gigs of their ram holding all my data in memory for two hundred

⏹️ ▶️ bucks a month so that makes sense you know i’m not blaming them you know it is what it is so

⏹️ ▶️ anyway so i started looking for options that would save money because i learned

⏹️ ▶️ i just started doing all this in the month of july it is now august and my july bill

⏹️ ▶️ for ws is comically large and i could almost buy johnson

⏹️ ▶️ tv so i’m like all right this the the part of this that

⏹️ ▶️ was supposed to be saving me money is not working it’s actually now costing me more to

⏹️ ▶️ host things this way than it was in the old ways so let me let me revisit the cost angle

⏹️ ▶️ of this and so there’s a couple of options so there’s apparently

⏹️ ▶️ a deal between backblaze and cloud flare that if you use backblaze

⏹️ ▶️ clone to be two service they don’t charge you for bano when it’s being sent to cloudflare

⏹️ ▶️ so that’s an option that i can i could use the backblaze b two

⏹️ ▶️ service as my back end instead of as three and pay no fees in

⏹️ ▶️ transfer another option which is the one i’m trying first is

⏹️ ▶️ linode frequent sponsor of the show including this episode and the place i host all my servers and

⏹️ ▶️ by the way i pay like leno does not pay for my servers for me

⏹️ ▶️ like they pay us for their ads but my account is a regular account that i just pay

⏹️ ▶️ for you know overcast pays at full price i don’t get any special special discounts or anything like that

⏹️ ▶️ so i buy a lot of leads service and leno has their object

⏹️ ▶️ storage service which is their s three clone it is something like five times cheaper

⏹️ ▶️ than three for the transfer fees and if i’m

⏹️ ▶️ reading the docs correctly i think first it exhausts the transfer that

⏹️ ▶️ i’m already paying for in my lenard plan because every lined server that you buy comes with

⏹️ ▶️ you know two thousand gigs a month or something like that of transfer and i buy so many servers

⏹️ ▶️ that i never come close to using all that i have a massive surplus of transfer every month from lena that

⏹️ ▶️ i don’t use so not only is it five times cheaper when you are paying per gig but i

⏹️ ▶️ think i am actually not going to be paying much at all because i think i’m going to actually be fitting within my giant surplus

⏹️ ▶️ that i have from all my servers so i’m trying that now first and all this is to say

⏹️ ▶️ when i first adopted all of this im with my code base over over

⏹️ ▶️ the last month or so you know first i’ve written against us three since tumbler

⏹️ ▶️ like you know i’ve used as three for a very long time tumbler stored every every image that people have loaded in as three

⏹️ ▶️ so i’ve written against it using php for a very long time i’ve been through the various complexities

⏹️ ▶️ as they you know went to their complex acl system their complex user

⏹️ ▶️ system when they changed the signature method from the old you know really basic

⏹️ ▶️ signature thing to the new you know signature version too i’ve gone through all that and

⏹️ ▶️ when i went to go integrate this i’m like you know let me let me look at you now let me make sure

⏹️ ▶️ you know overcast has been using us three since its beginning cause i had the file upload feature but that was using the old von

⏹️ ▶️ signature method and in a couple of these like you know fifteen line functions i wrote to you

⏹️ ▶️ know to do basic as three commands but i thought well if i’m going to be building you know this significant

⏹️ ▶️ part of my infrastructure now and as three let me make sure i’m doing everything the most up to date way

⏹️ ▶️ that way you know i don’t have to worry so much about deprecation for a longer time et cetera so i

⏹️ ▶️ learned about you know the various different ways you’re supposed to now dress as three including the new signature

⏹️ ▶️ method i did all that cause i looked at the s three library for

⏹️ ▶️ php is supposed to be using from them and it’s like a hundred files

⏹️ ▶️ and it’s thousands of lines of code many thousands of lines of code and it is there

⏹️ ▶️ because as three is now this monster of a service in inside

⏹️ ▶️ of amazon web services which is this monster of a suite of services it’s so far

⏹️ ▶️ beyond what i need which literally what i need is like get put less delete and generate

⏹️ ▶️ authenticated your ells that’s it like it’s what i need is the feature set it had

⏹️ ▶️ in two thousand eight i just need that then like i literally don’t need anything else like

⏹️ ▶️ maybe h t p s support like that that might be and i don’t even need that like that’s just optional

⏹️ ▶️ so anyway so i see like when i when

⏹️ ▶️ i look at what i have to do to use their php library and the the amount of

⏹️ ▶️ bloat and you know and i look at the code and it’s talk it’s like a middleware factory

⏹️ ▶️ on i don’t even know what half these words mean like and i don’t even know what this is doing the

⏹️ ▶️ old way of doing this was a fifteen line function in my utilities file clearly there has

⏹️ ▶️ to be a simpler way so of course i wrote my own of course it’s nobody surprised

⏹️ ▶️ you and i so i have my entire three class that does everything you to do to do

⏹️ ▶️ in the most modern way is two hundred and fifty lines of code and the class

⏹️ ▶️ three there’s no like name space garbage of php’s backslashes all this crab like no it’s just one file

⏹️ ▶️ cats three and it’s two hundred and fifty lines and it’s very very simple and it does everything the

⏹️ ▶️ new senator and everything anyway so all this is to say of course i wrote my own and i took a couple days to do

⏹️ ▶️ it but it was totally worth it in my opinion for my needs and goals so when i started playing with when i started

⏹️ ▶️ deciding all right i’m going to use i’m going to try out these these clone services and see what works for me i thought

⏹️ ▶️ well crap i wrote all of this to the brand new i guess

⏹️ ▶️ not brand new but to the newest you know s signature vtu and all these like

⏹️ ▶️ new ways of addressing the host’s name and everything and i thought there is no way all

⏹️ ▶️ these clone services are going to like i’m going to have to rewrite the old method in my new file and

⏹️ ▶️ figure how to do it and everything but i’m like let me just try it first and

⏹️ ▶️ i tried literally just swapping out the host’s name to you know the linode end point

⏹️ ▶️ and it just worked and that was it is because all the all the stuff you are describing is new

⏹️ ▶️ was like five years ago it’s like it’s not that new right but even even then

⏹️ ▶️ like you know that’s these who knows how long these services have been around who knows like if you know what whenever

⏹️ ▶️ set started they probably forked it then and you know i haven’t really updated it since

⏹️ ▶️ a user in the chat heavy machinery says i should write my own three

⏹️ ▶️ o two that’s fantastic

⏹️ ▶️ i thought about it i did just for you know

⏹️ ▶️ just for like my own uses for you know cheap posting reasons i kind of did that in my

⏹️ ▶️ last job yeah right i mean this i’m sure this is not an uncommon thing but anyway don’t

⏹️ ▶️ recommend it just says three but yes anyway i think

⏹️ ▶️ ultimately my needs are simple enough that hopefully i can use one of these other services

⏹️ ▶️ because the cost is literally it’s like five times less or even cheaper so

⏹️ ▶️ i’m trying that but anyway i’ve just all this is to say i’m very impressed by how it

⏹️ ▶️ literally was just like a drop in replacement and in fact all the like all the documentation

⏹️ ▶️ for these services the sale how to access them they they even tell you just use amazon’s

⏹️ ▶️ library and just change the end point to this one host name and that’s it so

⏹️ ▶️ i’m very impressed by by by so far by leonard object storage

⏹️ ▶️ i decided not to try clad flare r two because i asked on twitter and people say there’s actually

⏹️ ▶️ no way to serve files publicly from it that’s built in

⏹️ ▶️ you have to like write like cloudflare worker which is their own custom

⏹️ ▶️ type of thing that can run on their cdn and point nodes

⏹️ ▶️ which there it’s a very powerful thing from what i hear but i don’t know a thing about it now i want i dont want to get into that

⏹️ ▶️ right now so i’m not going to do laughter or two i’m going to try leonard’s thing first and if it doesn’t end up working for

⏹️ ▶️ me i’ll try back place b two but yeah very very impressed

⏹️ ▶️ by these things so far as to the original question posed in the show notes of is it okay to

⏹️ ▶️ copy competitors a p i with something like this you know s

⏹️ ▶️ three just became the standard and then and then other people

⏹️ ▶️ made their own alternatives that work with it like i don’t think that’s that bad

⏹️ ▶️ if you ask the us i think they’d be happy that this happened and i mean some sometimes

⏹️ ▶️ competitors aren’t happy when it happens like oh we made this a p it’s our thing you’re copying us you’re

⏹️ ▶️ taking advantage of like we did this work in the market to say hey here’s a storage b write your application against the you

⏹️ ▶️ just copied our b so you can get our customers and they don’t have to change their code right but the only reason to really be

⏹️ ▶️ mad about that is if you’re afraid that your customers will do a better job than you do and providing an three

⏹️ ▶️ compatible service so i don’t know the history behind this but i can tell you that what has actually happened

⏹️ ▶️ is everybody into one of the s p all these storage vendors that used to have their own proprietary hd

⏹️ ▶️ p base cause they did they’re like they saw us trait well we’ll do our own thing right all of them had to add three

⏹️ ▶️ because it became the standard because no one wanted to change their software and but in the end amazon

⏹️ ▶️ still provides the best most full featured highest specs

⏹️ ▶️ and often best priced if you are a giant corporation highest priced at least now the

⏹️ ▶️ the best price because they they they you know sent a team of people who are going to be your a s you

⏹️ ▶️ know agents to work with your company in the big in the world of big bucks that team of people

⏹️ ▶️ is not come on a fire island no they’re not they’re you’re not you do not have a team of people working with you

⏹️ ▶️ but if you spend it yet on the ferry if you spent a few dozen million more dollars in bus you would have a team

⏹️ ▶️ of you anyway and so amazon this has been great for amazon it is the de facto

⏹️ ▶️ story pi standard and amazon one hundred per cent control that so on amazon ads a feature

⏹️ ▶️ that enough of its customers want now dell has to add that feature too in the next year or two

⏹️ ▶️ and by the way they’re always perpetually behind what amazon is doing is amazon rolls it out and you don’t find

⏹️ ▶️ dell and m c don’t find out about it until you know a s invent or whatever you hear it announced

⏹️ ▶️ and then like i said if it’s a popular feature customers get cracked i’m like oh i want to use that

⏹️ ▶️ code feature but you’re supposedly three compatible api doesn’t have it and they need to add it you

⏹️ ▶️ they’re always behind right and it’ll be fine if they could beat them on price to performance and stuff

⏹️ ▶️ but it’s difficult to keep up with ads so ads has control of the

⏹️ ▶️ api that everyone else essentially is forced to use and they’re always one step ahead of everyone else and by the way

⏹️ ▶️ s three and eddie are actually pretty good surfaces like in terms of the specs and features and performance

⏹️ ▶️ so i think in the end i mean maybe eighty is was pissed about this in the beginning and maybe suit some people at a the

⏹️ ▶️ history behind it but right now they’re sitting pretty like who wouldn’t want it and it’s not even like an industry standard that has

⏹️ ▶️ a consortium doing amazon can do whatever they want with us three and everyone else just has to scramble to

⏹️ ▶️ copy them yeah and it’s and there’s so many benefits like when like to just use the

⏹️ ▶️ tooling for instance um one of the tools that’s been invaluable to me when doing after development

⏹️ ▶️ is transmit by panic which most people know as an f t p p but transmit has

⏹️ ▶️ a ton of other like languages that speaks two servers to interact with them

⏹️ ▶️ including the s three protocol so you can open up your s three buckets in transmit

⏹️ ▶️ and it looks like a file system and you can go and you can browse things and you can quick look things and you

⏹️ ▶️ can edit and delete and when you’re developing an as three based something that’s actually

⏹️ ▶️ really useful and i was able to like they just they have like in there in their

⏹️ ▶️ screen to set up a new uh you know profile in transmit um you you pick three

⏹️ ▶️ as a protocol but then you can give it a custom host name so i just gave it the you know us

⏹️ ▶️ east one linear objects dot com in there and it’s talking on my linode like object storage

⏹️ ▶️ just exactly the same way like that’s that’s awesome like to have all of that

⏹️ ▶️ tooling support and everything it’s just very it’s very wonderful as a developer and

⏹️ ▶️ as to whether it’s like you know ok for the source company you know john you’re right about you know strategically

⏹️ ▶️ speaking it’s pretty good for amazon because the value that they are providing is not

⏹️ ▶️ the api it’s the service behind it and all the different capabilities and the

⏹️ ▶️ integration with other services like that’s the value they’re providing so

⏹️ ▶️ i don’t think it really hurts them to have other people offering you know competing

⏹️ ▶️ things for the basics because you know you’re right like they have all these all these advantages

⏹️ ▶️ by having this become the industry standard that they are still in full control of and all of the high

⏹️ ▶️ end use will still go to them but then you know the low end use like this like it greatly

⏹️ ▶️ benefits people like me who are more value conscious and that’s that’s pretty great for us at least

⏹️ ▶️ most of the value services like the if you’re trying to undercut it son cost e it’s hard if you’re

⏹️ ▶️ an enterprise cause again they get the fancy enterprise pricing you know they don’t pay the retail

⏹️ ▶️ thing and b they’re not they’re just not going to match anywhere i suspects because they don’t have to if you want to be

⏹️ ▶️ on a lower price you have to give up stuff you can’t have eight hundred stars tears you can’t have eleven

⏹️ ▶️ nines of data durability which is what as s three has right if you want to save some of you don’t need eleven

⏹️ ▶️ nines of data durability for your things i’m assuming you don’t you’d take you know seven nines

⏹️ ▶️ probably it’s plenty of nines for you right some people don’t need any nines you know and

⏹️ ▶️ although although eight of us has models for that too you know they have the storage tiers where you know

⏹️ ▶️ it’s only one location and you don’t care if it goes away or whatever so it’s it’s difficult to compete even

⏹️ ▶️ on the lawn but that’s the place where there’s possibly you know using sef which is an open source cluster

⏹️ ▶️ file system using se as the back end lets you not have to essentially

⏹️ ▶️ re implement s three because some open source thing did is sef as good as three no it’s not that’s absolutely

⏹️ ▶️ not but if you if you want to undercut a ws on price for regular people who aren’t giant

⏹️ ▶️ enterprises and you don’t care about all those fancy features and you don’t care about the you know the safety and performance

⏹️ ▶️ yeah that’s that’s the that’s the little niche that these companies can carve out for themselves and

⏹️ ▶️ it’s honestly when i see a lot of these services i do wonder how many of them are just

⏹️ ▶️ freinds for history you may think how is that possible amount on the undercut histories price

⏹️ ▶️ in alu discounts right exactly because you pay them what you

⏹️ ▶️ think is less than the manufacturer suggested retail price for the service you’re getting but they pay us

⏹️ ▶️ three the you are a multi million dollar corporation price and so they’re

⏹️ ▶️ just you know not likely funny but like just skimming off the top and they’re essentially giving

⏹️ ▶️ you access to their you know enterprise company discount as three but

⏹️ ▶️ saving a little bit for themselves i don’t know if any of them are doing that is just that is a plausible thing that could be done

⏹️ ▶️ it’s amazing that is kind of amazing the magic of enterprise pricing the world the world

⏹️ ▶️ of you know enterprise software and corporate services is really weird