482: I Should Probably Get Reading Glasses
12 May 2022Playdate first impressions, home-Ethernet-wiring updates, and fond farewells to two products that — let’s be honest — most of us had already forgotten.
Episode Description:
- Follow-up:
- A little more on Bartosz Ciechanowski’s explainers
- Apple’s New Developer Center
- John’s multi-factor authentication college account update
- An aside about password managers
- Protobuf
- John’s Microsoft Precision Mouse
- Casey’s Ethernet Project
- Playdate impressions
- The iPod Touch is dead, but the music lives on
- …it meets the same fate as macOS Server
#askatp:- Post-show: Marco’s capture system
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Chapters
- John’s to-do list
- Bartosz Ciechanowski’s explainers
- Developer Center: Tantau 14?
- 2FA & 1P-to-iCloud
- Sponsor: Hover
- John’s mouse update
- Follow-up: async/await & Combine
- Casey’s Ethernet project
- Sponsor: Mack Weldon (code atppod)
- Playdate first impressions
- Sponsor: Kolide
- Farewell, iPod Touch
- Farewell, macOS Server
- #askatp: Still need ECC RAM?
- #askatp: Mac-“cleaning” apps?
- #askatp: Language choice for server costs
- Ending theme
- Game-streaming update
John’s to-do list
⏹️ ▶️ Casey so how is the honeydew list be it self imposed or otherwise
⏹️ ▶️ John so working on it these things take so much longer than you think oh
⏹️ ▶️ John mean we talked about this and do we talk about this in anyway we preshow
⏹️ ▶️ John or covet has visited my family
⏹️ ▶️ Casey i did i wanted to ask of what the status was in i meant to do it during the pre flight and i forgot and then i took a mental
⏹️ ▶️ Casey note to ask you after the show is over so now that you’ve brought it up how’s everyone doing
⏹️ ▶️ John yeah well i mean everyone’s fine like not a big deal we’re all vaccinated and boosted
⏹️ ▶️ John and stuff like that but uh we did have positive tests and so far the rest of us are negative and we’re
⏹️ ▶️ John hanging in there but what this does relevant you question all the things that we have like appointments
⏹️ ▶️ John to do like sea people or like
⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey sign documents or get things set up
⏹️ ▶️ John or whatever now it just gets pushed out i guess we’re not going to you know go anywhere do anything
⏹️ ▶️ John again even though you know most of us are fine and of course we’re taking tests every single day so
⏹️ ▶️ John my streak of never not only not getting covet as far as i know but also not taking a test that has ended and now
⏹️ ▶️ John the entire family is testing every single day good thing we have a pretty big backlog of tests
⏹️ ▶️ John testing is not fun it makes my eyes tear a lot but yet that’s what
⏹️ ▶️ John we’re doing and so yeah that’s totally screwed up my the list of items so things that i thought i
⏹️ ▶️ John was going to finally be able to check off because again i only check them off the list when they’re actually done done i
⏹️ ▶️ John did check off the car thing like i said last time the car is fixed you know one
⏹️ ▶️ John ten did i mention on the show that they like tried to clean the interior
⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey he mention on the show but now the arm
⏹️ ▶️ John i don’t want to throw that brand under the bus but the garage is trying to be nice the body shop’s tryin to be nice like oh we’ll clean
⏹️ ▶️ John your car for you and they vacuumed it and they washed it and they tried to clean the interior and i’m
⏹️ ▶️ John just one of those people who does not approve of the the various let’s
⏹️ ▶️ John say greasy protectants
⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey are often used on the interior
⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey i’m not surprise i’m so surprised
⏹️ ▶️ Casey you have an opinion
⏹️ ▶️ John yet so they did that and i spent a while cleaning that off but the main problem of course as anyone who’s ever gotten
⏹️ ▶️ John body work done is that it smells like drying paint because you know they’ve repainted the thing and that’s
⏹️ ▶️ John just you just deal with that and eventually the volatile compounds dissipate or react with the air and you don’t
⏹️ ▶️ John smell it anymore but but anyway that did get checked off the list but that remember wasn’t on the to do
⏹️ ▶️ John list until something happened to the car
⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco that was the
⏹️ ▶️ John fun incidental item of the items that were of the big items that were there you know
⏹️ ▶️ John like they’re acting they’re all basically still there they just many
⏹️ ▶️ John new items have been added it’s just yeah the list is getting longer
⏹️ ▶️ Marco and not shorter that’s what happens casey and i have been unemployed for longer than you
⏹️ ▶️ Marco and you notice that we are not like we don’t have tons and tons of free time right
⏹️ ▶️ Marco indeed stuff like your time gets filled it’s like hard or space like it gets filled like
⏹️ ▶️ Marco you think you you’re going to have all this time and then it gets filled up with stuff and you’re like wait a minute the whole
⏹️ ▶️ Marco rest of my life before this point i was working all day and where did that where did that eight hour block
⏹️ ▶️ Marco go in my current schedule and yet it gets consumed
⏹️ ▶️ John i know i know where it goes i mean like the problem i really do think i will shrink this backlog but the problems before
⏹️ ▶️ John i would just neglect all these things they were just all being neglected so it’s no question to me like where the time i just didn’t do
⏹️ ▶️ John these things they aren’t even on the americas is like well i don’t have time to deal with that right now i’ll deal with that at some
⏹️ ▶️ John point in the future while now as some point in the future
Bartosz Ciechanowski’s explainers
⏹️ ▶️ Casey all right so let’s do some follow up and we had a person
⏹️ ▶️ Casey right in by the name of kyle and kyle wrote all right i’m going to really try hard i really i’m not trying to
⏹️ ▶️ Casey be sarcastic i’m realy going to try hard and im probably going to screw this up i’m going try okay so kyle wrote in about bartos
⏹️ ▶️ Casey chicanos kyle wrote i happen to work with bartos and yes the saint bartos who
⏹️ ▶️ Casey makes the delightful articles explaining how things work his most recently mentioned article was a mechanical watch explainer in
⏹️ ▶️ Casey addition to making these excellent gids he’s one of the best software engineers i’ve ever worked with i do have a little more to add about this
⏹️ ▶️ Casey but marco you were saying to us privately the pre flight that you had some thoughts about the mechanical watch explainer
⏹️ ▶️ Marco yeah i hadn’t actually gone through it like in the last show and i have since and you know i’m
⏹️ ▶️ Marco a watcher and and when you know when when everyone was saying look here’s a guide on how a
⏹️ ▶️ Marco mechanical watch works i figured it would just be like you know the time hands here’s here’s you know
⏹️ ▶️ Marco an escapement and a main spring and a few years in the middle and that’s it and that would have been its own
⏹️ ▶️ Marco that would have been great just by itself this was i kept going down i kept seeing like the
⏹️ ▶️ Marco scroll bar is not reaching the bottom portion of the screen
⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John there’s a lot more to go
⏹️ ▶️ Marco and then and and you know and then and barthes would go and explain and like you know and then what if we wanted to show the date
⏹️ ▶️ Marco and i’m like really he’s going to do a date movement on here and then i keep going he added quick
⏹️ ▶️ Marco setting to the date like and then eventually i’m like he’s going he’s going to do automatic sure enough
⏹️ ▶️ Marco the automatic motor comes up it’s a bidirectional winding automatic motor of which not
⏹️ ▶️ Marco all watches are that not all watches have dates not all watches that have dates have quick setting mechanisms
⏹️ ▶️ Marco to jump quickly between them with a three position crank that’s not not every watch has it you have to
⏹️ ▶️ Marco go pretty you know many hundreds of dollars at least before you get one that has these kind of features
⏹️ ▶️ Marco and usually more than that and then and then at the end i’m like then he throws a hacking seconds like where
⏹️ ▶️ Marco you pull the crown and it stops the time oh my god like these these are features like i’ve i’ve bought
⏹️ ▶️ Marco washes before they don’t have these features like for major brands so this have
⏹️ ▶️ Marco to have all of that in the basic explain her to have an automatic hacking seconds quickset date movement
⏹️ ▶️ Marco like that’s what he’s explaining that that was quite impressive on so many levels so that was delightful and
⏹️ ▶️ Marco i’m very very glad and there was a lot of stuff in there i didn’t know you know the stuff that like you know i knew that watches
⏹️ ▶️ Marco did this but i didn’t know how they accomplished that exactly and so that was it was really cool to go
⏹️ ▶️ Casey yeah and the entire internet is on my popo list on my naughty list because unbounce
⏹️ ▶️ Casey to me until i think when i was clicking around while we were recording or maybe after the show there are a bunch
⏹️ ▶️ Casey of other articles that i’m deeply interested in i haven’t had a chance to read yet but more importantly nobody told
⏹️ ▶️ Casey me where were all of you nobody told me that bartos has g p s has curves and
⏹️ ▶️ Casey surfaces naval architecture the one i did know about was the internal combustion engine which i cannot say of
⏹️ ▶️ Casey good things about it’s amazing cameras and lenses lights and shadows gears in general in a bunch
⏹️ ▶️ Casey of other stuff like this is a treasure and i was happy to
⏹️ ▶️ Casey discover and in the least slimy way possible you know if you look at his website
⏹️ ▶️ Casey on the header at the top you see you know rss email instagram twitter and then
⏹️ ▶️ Casey oh wait that’s the patriot p isn’t it so you bet your ass i decided to
⏹️ ▶️ Casey be a patron and so you should do that too there’s three membership levels and
⏹️ ▶️ Casey you get to see like bartos put up posts about how the
⏹️ ▶️ Casey the um the the post that he made on his website were made and i was saying to the guys before
⏹️ ▶️ Casey that we started recording the post for the mechanical watch one is
⏹️ ▶️ Casey a screen shot of all the cad drawings and cad work that martech had to do in order to make this article
⏹️ ▶️ Casey and it is freaking nuts so you should definitely be a patron
⏹️ ▶️ Casey you should check this junk out ah because it is delightful so we will put links in the show notes to
⏹️ ▶️ Casey all of these things you should definitely definitely give it a whirl and in the unlikely event that bartos is listening i am
⏹️ ▶️ Casey so sorry that a butcher name eighty five times but hand to god i’ve really been trying really really hard so my apologies
⏹️ ▶️ Marco yeah this is the kind of stuff that the internet used to have a lot more stuff that was really
⏹️ ▶️ Marco, Casey good and kind of
⏹️ ▶️ Marco just and good in a in an uncomplicated way this is just really good
⏹️ ▶️ Marco and there’s no ulterior motives there’s no like you know ads plastered all over the thing unless
⏹️ ▶️ Marco my blocker block them i don’t know but probably not like there’s there’s no like you know actually this is a wiki how and
⏹️ ▶️ Marco we’re going to try to you
⏹️ ▶️ Marco there’s nothing like it it’s just a person who is an expert in something making a really great thing
⏹️ ▶️ Marco and just putting it out there for the world for free that’s amazing and here again there used to be so much more of that
⏹️ ▶️ Marco on the internet and these days that stuff seems to be not only produced less
⏹️ ▶️ Marco but harder to find and so this is just a gem to find and this just made me so happy
⏹️ ▶️ Casey yet and like i said the patriot wasn’t like hey you’ll smash that i know this is a patriot
⏹️ ▶️ Casey you too it was there was no equivalent of like smash
⏹️ ▶️ Casey like there was nothing the only reason i knew that there was a patron was because i happened to realize that that little p
⏹️ ▶️ Casey up in the upper right hand corner is the patriot logo that was the only mention i saw of patriot was the
⏹️ ▶️ Casey little logo like there was no there was no like h p dot slash join or anything like that it was
⏹️ ▶️ Casey just a little teeny tiny logo in the corner so a well done just five stars six stars of such a
Developer Center: Tantau 14?
⏹️ ▶️ Casey john tell us about the apple developer center if you please
⏹️ ▶️ John a pronounced new word so gruber had a post about some information about the apple developer
⏹️ ▶️ John center or some rumors about it is the apple developer center ten to fourteen
⏹️ ▶️ John what’s tan tao at like ten ten from the flop house notes not it’s the road that goes
⏹️ ▶️ John along one side of apple park apparently and the rumor speculation is
⏹️ ▶️ John that building fourteen on that road as it tanto avenue
⏹️ ▶️ John is in fact the developer center and as guest i’m sure will find out later
⏹️ ▶️ John what the deal is but based on tips he thinks it’s tent fourteen and next to the visitor center which makes
⏹️ ▶️ John a lot of sense so there’s a park archer andy had a post showing a
⏹️ ▶️ John map of where the stuff is and some more information about it so if you look at the map it’s got the steve jobs theater
⏹️ ▶️ John which is this little circular thing that’s on apple park and if you basically go straight across the street straight across
⏹️ ▶️ John tanto avenue from steve jobs theatre there’s a big long skinny building that’s tanta fourteen
⏹️ ▶️ John the theory is that is the building that is going to be the new developer center and then
⏹️ ▶️ John next door to that is the existing apple park visitor center which is a smaller rectangular
⏹️ ▶️ John building and this makes some sense if you look at it this gets
⏹️ ▶️ John into the idea of like apple is inviting people to apple park if you think apple park is just
⏹️ ▶️ John the the ring the big ring shaped building and the land that
⏹️ ▶️ John is around that maybe that is too narrow of a definition because by that definition
⏹️ ▶️ John the apple park visitor center is not in fact an apple park it is across the street from that same
⏹️ ▶️ John thing with this this building fourteen is also not in apple
⏹️ ▶️ John park but i think it’s all kind of part of the same campus and the theory of this building is that
⏹️ ▶️ John it will be you know this is the developer center that is you know a fancy new building it will be
⏹️ ▶️ John where the apple developer like evangelist people work like their actual office building and it will
⏹️ ▶️ John also be where they would bring developers in to do whatever it is that they do with them in the developer
⏹️ ▶️ John center so we’ll see if the speculation proves
⏹️ ▶️ Marco correct yeah and we got i mean we didn’t just get a bird we got like a flock of
⏹️ ▶️ Marco seagulls telling me this it seems like this is pretty well that’s before your
⏹️ ▶️ John time right the band yes you might have you might have heard it in the the play
⏹️ ▶️ John pop hits of the eighties
⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey right there you
⏹️ ▶️ Marco tell you what man so we’re we’re in the we just cross over nineteen seventy and the rock hits go through
⏹️ ▶️ Marco of this it’s so much better
⏹️ ▶️ John it’s interesting what like what is the rock like where does that pull from
⏹️ ▶️ Marco i don’t know i mean they are apple music playlists so
⏹️ ▶️ Marco somebody curated these lists at some
⏹️ ▶️ Marco don’t know but anyway the rock version was really good was significantly better it for our
⏹️ ▶️ Marco tastes than the pop version which given that we’ve always liked rock music that’s not that big of a surprise as
⏹️ ▶️ John the action in the run you on you and in the pop pits and now you join the rockets i’m assuming
⏹️ ▶️ John fish does not appear anywhere
⏹️ ▶️ Marco i don’t know i mean i think the only place they would potentially appear is when farmhouse was on the radio i think
⏹️ ▶️ Marco in the late nineties for a brief time and i certainly would not have shown up on the pop list
⏹️ ▶️ Marco but maybe maybe it might be on the rock list but i don’t think i
⏹️ ▶️ John a quote unquote alternative list a category of music that didn’t exist until
⏹️ ▶️ John like the nineties alternative hits of nineteen fifty five
⏹️ ▶️ Marco rock didn’t exist until until sixty five like
⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John there was that when it starts then right like there there was
⏹️ ▶️ Marco no there there is no at music rock hits nineteen sixty four or earlier so from
⏹️ ▶️ Marco from fifty five to sixty four weakest ed pop hits again but this time doing it the right way instead
⏹️ ▶️ Marco of asking siri to play whatever and have her walk away after a few minutes but the yeah this time was just play
⏹️ ▶️ Marco the play the pop hits playlist from those years which were were actually pretty decent the
⏹️ ▶️ Marco only weird thing about them is that you know like you know you play like pop the pop hits of the mid to late
⏹️ ▶️ Marco sixties and like what you really should be hearing is a heck of a lot of beatles and
⏹️ ▶️ Marco rolling stones later on like zeppelin but the people who make these lists they don’t want
⏹️ ▶️ Marco to put like six beatles songs in a row and the list is pretty long for each day it’s you know
⏹️ ▶️ Marco twenty thirty songs at least it’s it’s like an hours long i think and so you end up like
⏹️ ▶️ Marco missing a lot of significant hits not because they weren’t ranked high in the charts
⏹️ ▶️ Marco but because they were spread out by a human on this on this playlist so you didn’t hear too much of the same
⏹️ ▶️ Marco band in a row that that’s the only downside of this approach so otherwise it’s not it’s not you
⏹️ ▶️ Marco know i have no other fault with the exception that my home pots keep dying
⏹️ ▶️ Casey they just ran marco they ran so far away
⏹️ ▶️ Marco there’s so dying i’m still holding on but this is
⏹️ ▶️ Marco i mean my my holding on to these this is worse than cases mac at this point like it’s just
⏹️ ▶️ Marco all looting every day like they’re it’s just they’re they’re in bad shape i really should replace
⏹️ ▶️ Marco them but i can’t i can’t make myself do it i’m so sorry
2FA & 1P-to-iCloud
⏹️ ▶️ Casey speaking of things i’m sorry about john how’s that multi factor authentication dance gay
⏹️ ▶️ John there’s a follow up on the college count stuff so i dealt with that where
⏹️ ▶️ John i leave it as i said i did say i was going to have to contact them so that’s what i did i contacted the
⏹️ ▶️ John help desk or whatever so here is what the deal was um so the problem that the college
⏹️ ▶️ John had is that they have the system where there’s a page where you say you know can you know
⏹️ ▶️ John set up multifactor authentication or if you already have it set up it says re configure multi factor authentication and then also
⏹️ ▶️ John about says disable multifactor authentication and as i said i was having trouble with it couldn’t figure out why
⏹️ ▶️ John i wasn’t working so i had disabled and you know it was disabled and then it said you know a change to say
⏹️ ▶️ John set up multi factor authentication and the disabled on was gone and was replaced with button to set it up but you know
⏹️ ▶️ John i wanted to leave it unset up and of course that didn’t work every time i tried to log in and kept asking me for multifactor and
⏹️ ▶️ John eventually logged out of everything so that was the problem and i sent like an email to support and
⏹️ ▶️ John explained the situation and it was very clear on my support mail and usually pretty straight forward to the thing it’s like i disabled
⏹️ ▶️ John multi factor authentication but now when i log in it asked me to do multi factor i feeling since
⏹️ ▶️ John summary of the problem so help cause i can’t log in because it promised me for multifactor
⏹️ ▶️ John but as far as i know i disabled it so i don’t have anything to enter right
⏹️ ▶️ John um and the email reply from a human was oh if you’re you
⏹️ ▶️ John know having trouble setting up multifactor like you know do this that you know they was like telling me like what i should do
⏹️ ▶️ John to set up multifactor or like you know how different different apps i can use for it or whatever
⏹️ ▶️ John and i felt like the response didn’t acknowledge my statement which was i’ve disabled
⏹️ ▶️ John multi that’s why i opened with my opening was i have disabled multi factor authentication but when i
⏹️ ▶️ John log in it prompts me right and so they were just trying to help me like oh why can’t you log into your multifactor i’m like
⏹️ ▶️ John because i disabled it anyway after contacting human by telephone
⏹️ ▶️ John what they said was oh you can’t disable multifactor it’s required the college requires it
⏹️ ▶️ John for all logins which you know is a reasonable policy but um why is there a big button says
⏹️ ▶️ John disable multifactor well it turns out that this third party product they’re using for like you know
⏹️ ▶️ John some it’s some thirty party product that any college can buy that helps kids organize their schedule or
⏹️ ▶️ John whatever um i’m not actually entirely sure what it does but that third
⏹️ ▶️ John party product has its very own logging system and it has its own account page
⏹️ ▶️ John and on that account page it has a bunch of multifactor stuff but the implementation in this college
⏹️ ▶️ John it doesn’t use its own login it uses your college login you know like your your your account
⏹️ ▶️ John for the college and then it just does single sign on basically to get you into the other things you never actually
⏹️ ▶️ John log into this third party system but the third party system has an account page and also it’s by the
⏹️ ▶️ John way you land on this third party system like when you log in so it makes it seem like you’ve logged
⏹️ ▶️ John in here you are here’s your thing and there’s a big you know your little solo but of a person and go to account and
⏹️ ▶️ John makes you think this is your account this is where you’d go to change your password to set up multi factor or whatever
⏹️ ▶️ John but that multifactor stuff has absolutely no effect on your ability to log into your school catholic school
⏹️ ▶️ John turns out is just microsoft active directory blah blah blah right and he uses a single sign on to this third party product
⏹️ ▶️ John but i said to the person you should really remove all those buttons that say change your
⏹️ ▶️ John password set up multifactor because those have no effect on your actual council turns out i was just messing
⏹️ ▶️ John with multifactor stuff for an account that i was never going to log into and because the first time i set it up
⏹️ ▶️ John i deleted the previous multifactor and entered the new one that i thought was the new one when i reconfigured it right
⏹️ ▶️ John i had just deleted the one and only valid multi factor to actually log into the a d thing right and
⏹️ ▶️ John now i was just messing with this this third party thing which was never going to have any relevance whatsoever anything
⏹️ ▶️ John that i ever did so multi factor was reset now with my new found knowledge that i should just completely
⏹️ ▶️ John avoid that entire account page and don’t touch any of that multi factor stuff because it’s totally irrelevant i got multi factor
⏹️ ▶️ John set up everywhere and yes i did use the thing on the phone if you do it in i s you can just point the camera at
⏹️ ▶️ John the qr code and it reads it i still have it to do item to get some stuff
⏹️ ▶️ John together for ricky who works on the steam and apple um to to figure out why safari
⏹️ ▶️ John on the mac wouldn’t let me right click after i replaced the url and i think my suggestion that the mac be able
⏹️ ▶️ John to also accept qr code input either through the camera or by dragging an image or something like that
⏹️ ▶️ John i think that feedback was also heard so fingers crossed the future but anyway it is all sorted out and it just
⏹️ ▶️ John goes to show the dangers of i don’t know like too slightly too much
⏹️ ▶️ John knowledge too little knowledge i don’t know i still feel like the whole page is a trap because anybody who wanders over to that page and goes
⏹️ ▶️ John to their account and sees all this stuff about passwords and multi factor it’s totally a trap and almost anything you can do there
⏹️ ▶️ John is you know at best going to have no effect and at worst going to confuse you into locking yourself out
⏹️ ▶️ Marco i will say on this topic that this whole story kind of inspired me to
⏹️ ▶️ Marco try to put some of my most frequently used two factor logins into apple password
⏹️ ▶️ Marco system whatever is it called like keychain
⏹️ ▶️ Marco though okay so yeah putting it into that because i still use one password but one
⏹️ ▶️ Marco password is increasingly clunky
⏹️ ▶️ Marco in my experience i haven’t yet been updated to one password eight yet they rested a
⏹️ ▶️ Marco big new release so maybe it’s improved there i don’t know but the interaction between one password and my browsers
⏹️ ▶️ Marco on both the mac and on especially the iphone it seems very fragile
⏹️ ▶️ Marco and and seems to miss a lot and so i’m interested
⏹️ ▶️ Marco now in moving some of the most common things to the apple system just so it feels faster and more reliably
⏹️ ▶️ Marco and stuff so anyway so i learned that there is a really nice export process from one
⏹️ ▶️ Marco password you can export any item or set of items into a into an icloud
⏹️ ▶️ Marco keychain csv file now this is comically insecure while its on
⏹️ ▶️ Marco disk because this is literally a file with unencrypted password data sitting on your in your
⏹️ ▶️ Marco in plain text on your disk and what’s nice is that if you go into the apple
⏹️ ▶️ Marco password like pref pane in one of those little drop down boxes there is an option to import this
⏹️ ▶️ Marco especially format c s v and it of course yells at you this is really insecure by the way but then once
⏹️ ▶️ Marco you do it it actually gives you a little button that deletes the file immediately and bypasses the trash
⏹️ ▶️ Marco system on the map so you know that’s nice in the sense that this is only your just for a short time and
⏹️ ▶️ Marco this little comedian thing is there and anyway the two factor stuff that i transferred over transferred perfectly
⏹️ ▶️ Marco you know whatever the format is of this file it’s just looked at one of the files it’s just literally like it’s like you know website
⏹️ ▶️ Marco you know user name password and otp basis or whatever and it worked great
⏹️ ▶️ Marco so now i have some of my most common you know two factor things in coke train and as far
⏹️ ▶️ Marco as i can tell it just kind of works so i might start moving more stuff into
⏹️ ▶️ Marco that or at least copying it and i’ve i’ve decided finally like literally like yesterday
⏹️ ▶️ Marco remember what i mentioned months ago that i had the ridiculous set up where both one
⏹️ ▶️ Marco password and i clad were prompting me to fill in every single like paper field and safari
⏹️ ▶️ Marco i maintained that until yesterday it was a mess finally
⏹️ ▶️ Marco got fed up and so i decided i finally turned off
⏹️ ▶️ Marco the the like auto prompting of like in every input field for one password
⏹️ ▶️ Marco so i’m going to leave apple to auto prompt me and and kind of leave one password
⏹️ ▶️ Marco as like look up system and see how that goes but anyway i just wanted to bring up the migration thing
⏹️ ▶️ Marco because you can really easily export from one password into a hoki chain in a way that i didn’t think
⏹️ ▶️ Marco would work at all let alone doubt everyone would have made so easy
⏹️ ▶️ John two things on that one if you ever find yourself in a situation where you have a file that like you know a files going
⏹️ ▶️ John to be full your passwords briefly or whatever and if you’re super paranoid about it it’s a good idea to have
⏹️ ▶️ John somewhere on your uh somewhere your full destruction in your home directory
⏹️ ▶️ John a dedicated directory i just call mine do not back up um it’s a folder that
⏹️ ▶️ John you just mark as you exclude from time machine i have lots of stuff excluded from time machine if you don’t know how to do is you go to system
⏹️ ▶️ John preferences go to time machine click on like options or something and it let you basically drag in or hit the plus
⏹️ ▶️ John button and select the folder you want to be excluded from time machine right but just having a dedicated location that you
⏹️ ▶️ John know is always excluded from time machine like a do not backup folder that is a great place
⏹️ ▶️ John to store these files that you only want to exist for brief timing it deleted because you never know maybe
⏹️ ▶️ John time machine was in the middle of running and the time file appeared and time machine was just about to go through that folder and it picked it up
⏹️ ▶️ John and shoved them into a time machine back up and now and we don’t see you have every single one of your passwords in plain text and time
⏹️ ▶️ John machine backup for who knows how long but if you put it in the don’t backup folder it’ll never do that same thing with like backblaze
⏹️ ▶️ John you can exclude folders just have this one location that you are sure is excluded from all the back up systems that you
⏹️ ▶️ John use it any time you ever need to put something on disk that you don’t really want on disk put it in the donut backup folder
⏹️ ▶️ John second thing is related to exports and everything i talked about before you know when we had the two factors
⏹️ ▶️ John set up i just wanted to get that information out and it was set up in the google authenticator app and said i basically
⏹️ ▶️ John ran out of time when i was trying to reverse engineer the format because if you do an export from a google authenticator
⏹️ ▶️ John it’ll give you a car code and so like i say that our code and then i was decoded the car code and then within
⏹️ ▶️ John that decoding of the ca code there was some more information on the code and i was eventually the codes into like a there’s a big
⏹️ ▶️ John chunk where there’s like a protobuf as google loves its sport buffs and i was decoding that and i got that
⏹️ ▶️ John decoded but then there was more like binary data and it i just ran out of time before i could get all down and other people
⏹️ ▶️ John were like what are you talking about if you just decode the cure code it’s a simple plain text thing and the thing fields
⏹️ ▶️ John called secret is just what you put into that sort of setup code in the apple thing that’s
⏹️ ▶️ John true but what google the google authenticator app exports is not the whatever is o t
⏹️ ▶️ John p whatever a url scheme it is a special google authenticator thing and it’s
⏹️ ▶️ John not like it’s encrypted or like hidden or anything the information’s there obviously that’s how qr codes work the information
⏹️ ▶️ John is in the cure code isn’t like it’s hiding the information from you but i think they came up with their format because if
⏹️ ▶️ John you export multiple items from google authenticator gives you one carc which is super convenient
⏹️ ▶️ John if you ever need like copy it to another device i think it lets you do ten or so at a time but that means they’re
⏹️ ▶️ John not using the same formula because the regular format is like you know it’s some urls plaintext url that
⏹️ ▶️ John says like basically website ba ba ba series this value looks like a url right but if you’re doing
⏹️ ▶️ John ten at once you can’t just use a single url so what they do is like some other url format where it is like
⏹️ ▶️ John daily equals giant base sixty four encoded thing and the basic foreign coded thing is the proto buff thing and then you
⏹️ ▶️ John code the protobuf and that’s got information inside it including some binary numbers that are
⏹️ ▶️ John but you you know think numbers not encoded as ask right actual binary
⏹️ ▶️ John values of sixteen thirty two sixty four bit values i think those are the secret and i didn’t get to the point where
⏹️ ▶️ John i could decode those but for people wondering why just decoding the cue or code wasn’t sufficient it’s for this reason because
⏹️ ▶️ John google authenticator has an export format of a car code that is essentially only understood by google authenticator
⏹️ ▶️ John because it’s it’s to export these things to it like if you wanted to put it from you know if you wanted to have it on two phones
⏹️ ▶️ John or on a phone and an ipad you have google authenticator and both that’s what you use so the information is in there
⏹️ ▶️ John and you could in theory extract it but i never got to that point there’s lots of like light python
⏹️ ▶️ John libraries and jobs for the libraries to actually be called them if you really want to gain it’s technically possible but
⏹️ ▶️ John once i started at all the stuff i knew i had to reset everything anyway because i was totally locked out so when they
⏹️ ▶️ John when i reset my stuff i was at the point where you know had the real car code in front of me and
⏹️ ▶️ John then i just put all the devices in front of it and you know got it all set up
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John’s mouse update
⏹️ ▶️ Casey marco has a computer that cannot successfully record a podcast and you are
⏹️ ▶️ Casey also having some amount of computer trouble it sounds so i can hardly wait to hear what i’m
⏹️ ▶️ Casey spilling on my laptop or what ailment is going to befall me soon since everything happens
⏹️ ▶️ Casey in threes anyway but tell me john what’s going on with your computer
⏹️ ▶️ John it’s not it’s just a follow up from passing remember i talked about i had this i did this long audition
⏹️ ▶️ John of many many different mice from my computer and i ended up picking the one i wanted to do was this microsoft mouse and
⏹️ ▶️ John then i used it for a while and then like the rubber on the side where my thumb touches it started to wear
⏹️ ▶️ John kind of gross and i bought a back up one and i went through that whole rigmarole where they had to like have me take a video
⏹️ ▶️ John of it that was many episodes ago don’t i couldn’t find the episode but anyway a while ago that happened so i’ve been
⏹️ ▶️ John using the new you know replacement not replacement the backup mouse they sent me i sent my mouse because
⏹️ ▶️ John it was broken they sent me a refurb one i thought the refurb and looked kind of gross but i had previously bought a back up mouse i
⏹️ ▶️ John was using the backup mouse and now the backup mouse has worn in that same spot where my thumb goes
⏹️ ▶️ John so i looked at the at the dates and i ordered this mouse on april second twenty twenty one and
⏹️ ▶️ John on may eighth twenty twenty two the little thing was worn so that’s four hundred and one days
⏹️ ▶️ John just slightly over a year so the microsoft precision mouse my favorite mouse the mouse i really really like essentially
⏹️ ▶️ John lasts a year and it costs ninety nine dollars so i
⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco guess i’m going to pay a hundred
⏹️ ▶️ John dollars a year to keep using this mouse or probably what will happen is i will tolerate the
⏹️ ▶️ John fact that there’s a little thing that i can feel under my thumb by the side of the mouse but i really wish they had just
⏹️ ▶️ John used like they should talk to logitech whatever rubber logitech uses on its mice i think it’s way
⏹️ ▶️ John sturdier maybe it’s not as supple and small soft and velvety as the
⏹️ ▶️ John rubber they used in the microsoft mouse but i think it’s more durable um you know and i don’t i don’t
⏹️ ▶️ John dislike the other mice that i bought i have an mx master three i have like a logitech
⏹️ ▶️ John gaming mouse i have i have a different some other mouse that
⏹️ ▶️ John my wife is using her computer i’d still like the microsoft one the best i just wish it was slightly
Follow-up: async/await & Combine
⏹️ ▶️ Casey i had some good feedback with regard to a single weight and combine which was a step from last week the
⏹️ ▶️ Casey speed back was from patrick niemeyer and i thought i’d just quote it real quick a single weight is syntactic sugar
⏹️ ▶️ Casey for asynchronous callbacks making code simpler and more readable by virtue of being more quote unquote declarative
⏹️ ▶️ Casey apis like combiner swift generalizes further letting you think of the callbacks of streams of events which
⏹️ ▶️ Casey are which can be reasoned about over time allowing them to be filtered and orchestrated across multiple sources
⏹️ ▶️ Casey also in a declarative way when possible it is always better to tell code what you want to
⏹️ ▶️ Casey do rather than how you want to do it this generally improves the readability and maintainability of the code while
⏹️ ▶️ Casey simultaneously allowing it to benefit from improvements in the underlying apis compilers and tools that they improve
⏹️ ▶️ Casey i thought it was really well put this is a lot of the same argument for swift you eye over you i get you’re just saying you know
⏹️ ▶️ Casey hey i want a list here i want within the list a text a vertical stack etcetera etcetera
⏹️ ▶️ Casey etcetera so is a lot of the same reasons why i’ve come to like swifty eye also for me
⏹️ ▶️ Casey it’s worth knowing i don’t think i belabor this point appropriately last week but one of the things i really
⏹️ ▶️ Casey like about are swift and combine is that in functional react of programming is that if you’re
⏹️ ▶️ Casey smart about it it’s very very easy generally to write a kind of state
⏹️ ▶️ Casey free apps and obviously every app has state but when you’re just processing an input and
⏹️ ▶️ Casey then potentially generating kind of atomically generating a new state of the world
⏹️ ▶️ Casey you don’t have to really store the state it’s just you react to the next version of the
⏹️ ▶️ Casey state it is hard to paint a word picture about so i probably lost everyone and i’ll just let it go but i’m suffice
⏹️ ▶️ Casey to say you can get rid of a lot of state in your app by not having to store
⏹️ ▶️ Casey things and simply reacting to events as happened which is exactly what patrick was saying as well so i thought that was pretty
Casey’s Ethernet project
⏹️ ▶️ Casey all right so this is a in wall e ethernet corner i got a lot of feedback
⏹️ ▶️ Casey about this which was good i appreciated all of it i tried to at least acknowledge most if not all of it
⏹️ ▶️ Casey if i didn’t acknowledge your feedback don’t don’t think that i didn’t read it i absolutely read everything um
⏹️ ▶️ Casey one of the things that i loved about this adventure so far is that i got these two pieces of feedback
⏹️ ▶️ Casey i think the same day first from daniel daniel says absolutely do not bother
⏹️ ▶️ Casey with cat six and daniel writes i am not sure what the price difference between cats and cats in the s is but for
⏹️ ▶️ Casey me in australia the only thing for me that would warrant the extra expense of cats a would be if the run was longer extremely
⏹️ ▶️ Casey hard to repeat in the future cat six achieves achieves ten gig at distances shorter than fifty five
⏹️ ▶️ Casey meters so that would be fine in a homework and home network the same day i received the following from josh hattersley
⏹️ ▶️ Casey absolutely use katic say cable for your interior wall slash attic slash sub floor runs it’s a nice
⏹️ ▶️ Casey bit of future proving and given that you should never have to touch those wires again worth the extra time and pain in the tuck
⏹️ ▶️ Casey of working with stick stiffer cable josh also pointed out i think it was josh pointed
⏹️ ▶️ Casey out a few other things including josh o note that they’re both unshielded
⏹️ ▶️ Casey six a u or u tp and shielded six a f u t
⏹️ ▶️ Marco p p doesn’t f u t p sound like a show that our haters would make
⏹️ ▶️ Casey probably yes actually very well done indeed don’t give them my dears please so anyway
⏹️ ▶️ Casey a additional level shielded cable available six i like the butterfly keyboard f u a
⏹️ ▶️ Marco p what would it would be all about like elon musk nfts and the butterfly keyboard
⏹️ ▶️ Casey there’s an is an additional level of shielded cable available six sftp then not not that’s
⏹️ ▶️ Casey slash f t p not sftp that is not only an outer screen brad but also individually foil
⏹️ ▶️ Casey wrapped twisted pairs unshielded six will likely be fine or go for f f u t p at the most and
⏹️ ▶️ Casey we’ll put a link in the shownotes i know i know we’ll put a like on the show notes to pictures of all these things
⏹️ ▶️ Casey follow up you suck here we are again on the f u t
⏹️ ▶️ Casey podcast and they still suck why don’t they just switch to windows
⏹️ ▶️ Casey if they hate the mac so much they’re so if they’re so hyper critical
⏹️ ▶️ Casey anyway so a lot of people say to use cat six or even five
⏹️ ▶️ Casey e cables to get from the jacks to your equipment cat six a is not all flexible compared to other
⏹️ ▶️ Casey ethnic cables and a pain to use in patch length scenarios if you actually need high rated patch cables down the road
⏹️ ▶️ Casey for ten gige just you’ll be opening up a whole new can of worms anyway and you’ll need to replace those cables regardless
⏹️ ▶️ Casey so that was mostly if not entirely from josh i really appreciate that some more general observations other
⏹️ ▶️ Casey than everyone disagreeing over what kind of cable to run a lot of people said you passed through
⏹️ ▶️ Casey crimpers i may not have mentioned this last episode i don’t recall but when you crimp an rj forty five and
⏹️ ▶️ Casey on to a cable when i was doing this twenty years ago you had to get the eight little teeny tiny wires
⏹️ ▶️ Casey all the way up to the end of the of the of the connector and then you had to use a little tool crimp down and hope
⏹️ ▶️ Casey that none of those eight wires shimmied vertical forward or back even the tiniest bit and it was a
⏹️ ▶️ Casey nightmare well apparently there exists now pass through crimpers where you just shove the eight
⏹️ ▶️ Casey lines all the way through the rj forty five and then you crimp
⏹️ ▶️ Casey it and some of the really nice crimpers will just slice off the extra or worst case you don’t you take
⏹️ ▶️ Casey water cutters and slice off the rest which is super cool and everyone pretty much universally said you say
⏹️ ▶️ Marco yeah actually when i was trying to fix my cat seven my couple of bad cat seven cables and jacks
⏹️ ▶️ Marco myself i actually tried one of these but the problem was i could not for the life of me find
⏹️ ▶️ Marco a pass through cable ends that would fit the thickness of the cat seven little little cables
⏹️ ▶️ Marco and yet one more reason not to use cats seven for most people so i can strongly
⏹️ ▶️ Marco recommend doing this the correct way and not doing what i had
⏹️ ▶️ Casey and i have heard some people say that six a the the individual eight individual wires and six
⏹️ ▶️ Casey a are often a little bit bigger than five or regular six so you do have to be a little careful
⏹️ ▶️ Casey with the components you buy but nevertheless it seems a lot less bad than cat seven
⏹️ ▶️ Casey also this was mentioned by josh earlier but i also heard pretty much unanimous agreement that
⏹️ ▶️ Casey i should not do what kind of started me down this whole path in the first place which was oh i can have
⏹️ ▶️ Casey the exact length patch cable i want i’m not really clear why everyone is so against this except if you’re
⏹️ ▶️ Casey using big thick cable like six but pretty much everyone agrees that i should not do that and i should
⏹️ ▶️ Casey just buy patch cables i don’t know i mean i think depending on what i end up buying if i do this at all i will see how
⏹️ ▶️ Casey it goes like i said apparently six as really crummy for cabling or patch cabling because it is
⏹️ ▶️ Casey so physically can you
⏹️ ▶️ John buy is it easy to find stranded a cable because patch cables are always with stranded
⏹️ ▶️ John by stranded is that within each individual conductor it’s made up of a bunch of tiny little conductors like
⏹️ ▶️ John if you see this if you ever cut open a wire and instead of seeing a solid copper conductor in there you see
⏹️ ▶️ John a whole bunch of little tiny hair thickness copper things that’s stranded wire that makes the wire
⏹️ ▶️ John more supple and easier to bend it’s not stiff right and so that’s what patch cables are made out
⏹️ ▶️ John of you just buy commercial ones if you’re going to make your own patch cables you’d have to find stranded cable
⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco i don’t even
⏹️ ▶️ John know how that would work right i don’t know if that’s easy to do or not but i would never want to make setting
⏹️ ▶️ John aside the difficulty of like making it yourself and how stiff it is just like i wouldn’t want a patch
⏹️ ▶️ John cable that’s not made with stranded and once you’re making it out of stranded self i feel like you might as well just buy it at that
⏹️ ▶️ John point because it just seems like a whole different thing than making maybe it’s just the same as making a regular one but
⏹️ ▶️ John anyway coming from office environments like you okay like didn’t your work also have like someone
⏹️ ▶️ John in the i t department or whatever the networking department made the patch cables and weren’t they not pleasing
⏹️ ▶️ Casey you know i don’t it’s been a long time since i worked at a place that used ethernet like i
⏹️ ▶️ Casey demanded it because i’m that guy but almost pretty much everyone else at my last job we hope they were just sitting on
⏹️ ▶️ Casey wireless all day every day
⏹️ ▶️ John we had we had plenty of patch cables that were made by the networking people and they were not stranded wire and they didn’t have
⏹️ ▶️ John nice looking connectors on the end and they were just a pain to deal with and they didn’t they were they were not pleasant
⏹️ ▶️ Marco they don’t usually have like nice stream relief boots and stuff either like
⏹️ ▶️ Marco they’re just never they’re never nice to use like the self make cables end up looking like
⏹️ ▶️ Marco cheap knock off cables
⏹️ ▶️ John and if they’re not and if the nomad with stranded wires they’re really stiff and awkward and often have their
⏹️ ▶️ John own kind of bends in them from however they were stored and wherever they were and so you try to hook up your thing to them and like
⏹️ ▶️ John for example when you know when we all got the stupid you know maca pros without any ports on them
⏹️ ▶️ John and we all got these little like you know us b breakout boxes so we could connect stuff to them
⏹️ ▶️ John often one of the things you would connect with ethernet and you’d put in the non stranded patch cable
⏹️ ▶️ John and he would lift the thing off the table because they’re so like small light weight and the
⏹️ ▶️ John the table was so stiff that you’d put bed lugging in the there and then they would just left off the table on one side would lift
⏹️ ▶️ John off the table and it just just looked ridiculous
⏹️ ▶️ Casey you know i’m glad you said that about stranded versus you now solid copper because i never put that together and
⏹️ ▶️ Casey didn’t i genuinely did not understand why it would be so much worse to do it with the cable that the bulk
⏹️ ▶️ Casey cable i might be buying but hearing you say that it makes perfect sense and i get it now
⏹️ ▶️ John i’m talking about like you know it’s like three feet long or like it goes from your computer to the little you know
⏹️ ▶️ John u s b c breakout box like you don’t it doesn’t matter you don’t need anything fancy and so you like margaret
⏹️ ▶️ John said you want to have the strain relief boot because things can get yanked around and you want to look nice and
⏹️ ▶️ John you know a as aesthetically pleasing you don’t want it to look like a cable shoved into a little plastic
⏹️ ▶️ Casey yep a lot of people pointed out oh guess what you’re back
⏹️ ▶️ Casey in the t fifty five sixty eight a versus b
⏹️ ▶️ Casey, Marco discussion all over again
⏹️ ▶️ Casey, John i was wondering if i it would come up that yeah
⏹️ ▶️ Casey that made me very sad to
⏹️ ▶️ John realize when i’m back into it we resolved this before yeah
⏹️ ▶️ Casey but what did we resolve
⏹️ ▶️ John it too i don’t remember the the the resolution is it doesn’t make a difference
⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco you can just
⏹️ ▶️ John pick one and uh which one you pick it doesn’t really matter but people you know
⏹️ ▶️ John people have a preference to b just because it’s one more than a isn’t it
⏹️ ▶️ Casey well a lot of people just said b was used for residential and as from commercial i remember going through this a couple of
⏹️ ▶️ Casey months ago i don’t need to reopen
⏹️ ▶️ Casey, John the shows was as like their
⏹️ ▶️ John compatibility with phone system and things
⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey that relevant or don’t so it doesn’t matter so just doesn’t matter to speak with
⏹️ ▶️ John everyone you the whole point is do not mix them in and stick to it
⏹️ ▶️ Casey a good tip from ron dicho he had said mark your cables either use a label maker or mark
⏹️ ▶️ Casey them with a sharpie or something for example use an increasing number of tick marks that match on both ends something
⏹️ ▶️ Casey obvious but i don’t know that i would have thought about that so it was a great
⏹️ ▶️ John but the tick mark system like i like the idea of doing this but then i’m like what if you’re in an office and you sit
⏹️ ▶️ John there and see someone counting the ticks one two three
⏹️ ▶️ John you supposed to do the slash then if you do five you know four vertical
⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco slash is like
⏹️ ▶️ John we have numbers just right the men anyway i
⏹️ ▶️ Casey hear you also a lot of people were sending in recommendations for cable which i appreciate
⏹️ ▶️ Casey but since i’m planning to go through old hvac tubing if i do this at all i should probably
⏹️ ▶️ Casey get plenum rated cable so i don’t remember if we talked about this last episode but there’s riser rated cable
⏹️ ▶️ Casey which is about what the fire resistance of it is and with riser
⏹️ ▶️ Casey rated cable it’s somewhat fire resistant and that’s not that is not designed to be in like air ducts
⏹️ ▶️ Casey or anything like that if you’re in an air duct certainly an active air duct i think it’s a little you know
⏹️ ▶️ Casey kind of dealer’s choice if you’re in an inactive air duct like i would be but if you’re in
⏹️ ▶️ Casey an air duct you’re supposed to get what’s called plenum rated cable and though that is extremely
⏹️ ▶️ Casey fire resistant as compared to the riser stuff and it’s made of materials that when they when they burn
⏹️ ▶️ Casey off they’re not releasing like toxic fumes into the air because if you were in you know if it’s
⏹️ ▶️ Casey in an act of bax system then you’re pumping these toxic fumes all over the building or whatever the case may be
⏹️ ▶️ Casey so i think in my case if i do this at all i’m probably going to go with plan rated cable which
⏹️ ▶️ Casey of course makes the already expensive cable even more expensive especially if i’m thinking six
⏹️ ▶️ John not putting in an active air
⏹️ ▶️ Casey doctor yeah but it just seems like why wouldn’t i do this especially since it’s better at resisting fire and
⏹️ ▶️ Casey god forbid the house tries to light up i’m sure the ethan a cable would not be the thing that carries it all around
⏹️ ▶️ Casey but hey it could be a toaster and that’s a reference for some of you um so anyway so the point
⏹️ ▶️ Casey is i just feel like getting plenum rated would be the right er answer
⏹️ ▶️ Marco wouldn’t that just make it more difficult to work with possibly and also it would make it more expensive if she might make you not do
⏹️ ▶️ Marco this whole project in the first place yes all
⏹️ ▶️ Casey, John i’m doing it i think it
⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey it’s more difficult
⏹️ ▶️ John like i said i think the difficulty yes you’re making it more annoying to yourself and i think you don’t need planum rated
⏹️ ▶️ John cable but in the grand scheme of things this project is not too large i feel like no matter what you do you’re going to get it
⏹️ ▶️ John done because you have like three things to connect and you’re
⏹️ ▶️ Casey well yeah about that
⏹️ ▶️ Casey, John oh has it ever funny
⏹️ ▶️ Casey it’s so funny being on the other end of scope creep if so if you’re not a developer if
⏹️ ▶️ Casey especially if you’re a consultant sorry let me try that again it made
⏹️ ▶️ Casey doubt if if you are if you are not familiar with how software development works particularly in
⏹️ ▶️ Casey the world of consulting what will happen is you know as a software developer and may be a project manager and a couple of other people go to a
⏹️ ▶️ Casey client and say okay what would you like us to build and they’ll say we would like a b and c please and you say okay great that’ll
⏹️ ▶️ Casey take you know forty five hours or whatever the case may be inevitably the client that comes to you and says oh la allah
⏹️ ▶️ Casey la we need d e f g h i j k elemento okay
⏹️ ▶️ Casey that’s that’s what developers call scope creep because the scope of the project has now crept
⏹️ ▶️ Casey to be larger and typically i joke but typically it’s more like oh we need d
⏹️ ▶️ Casey fast in three weeks o o o o we also need e fest for a month oh
⏹️ ▶️ Casey and f and g forgotten about f and g we definitely need those and that scope creep well i have scope
⏹️ ▶️ Casey creep my stall to death already and as i was as i was thinking about this project
⏹️ ▶️ Casey well if i’m going to be in the walls anyway and if i’m going from like the downstairs to the upstairs i’m going to want
⏹️ ▶️ Casey to do all the possible runs that i that i would need to go between your know upstairs
⏹️ ▶️ Casey and downstairs at once and well michael’s room was
⏹️ ▶️ Casey my old office and that’s tiny and the guest room is the current office
⏹️ ▶️ Casey and that’s much bigger and it wouldn’t surprise me if at some point in the future the thirty five ports that
⏹️ ▶️ Casey figuratively speaking that i need in the existing office well what if i end up needing those in michael’s current
⏹️ ▶️ Casey room because when we fit yeah what if michael and i flip flop rooms so that her room is
⏹️ ▶️ Casey the office and my office becomes her room will shoot that i need like six or eight drops
⏹️ ▶️ Casey in both her room and the guest room because you never know which one will be the office it’s just exploding
⏹️ ▶️ Casey so um i was in the attic this morning and let’s just say
⏹️ ▶️ Casey the um the historical planning commission is not necessarily on
⏹️ ▶️ Casey board with the project in the home at this juncture
⏹️ ▶️ Casey this may or may not be happening we’ll see but
⏹️ ▶️ Marco which which part of the project would be the most objectionable to a historical planning
⏹️ ▶️ Casey i think the thought of me putting my fist or nutting my fist my foot through the ceiling of
⏹️ ▶️ Casey the upper story because not all of our attic has boards on
⏹️ ▶️ Casey the parts that i need to be crawling through i think the historical planning commission is extremely
⏹️ ▶️ Casey unenthusiastic about the idea of having to do a ceiling drywall repair at any point during
⏹️ ▶️ Casey this project knowing how much of a cloud i am that is exceptionally likely to be
⏹️ ▶️ Casey a plausible outcome don’t forget
⏹️ ▶️ John i don’t know what your eye looks like but don’t forget the hazard in the other direction which is standing up too quickly and getting
⏹️ ▶️ John a roofing nail into the top of your head oh
⏹️ ▶️ Casey is a fear that i did not have until just now thank you so much
⏹️ ▶️ Casey, John i guess you have
⏹️ ▶️ John opened in your in your uninsulated southern
⏹️ ▶️ Casey house i mean i don’t remember there being nails just hanging down into the
⏹️ ▶️ John look up when you’re in the attic pointer i found upwards carefully without dropping it
⏹️ ▶️ John ceiling and see if you have open stud bays you will have roofing nails coming through the
⏹️ ▶️ John sheathing on the outside of your house and pointing downward into the room you’re in and if you get up quickly ah that nail
⏹️ ▶️ John gone to top your head and you will be sad
⏹️ ▶️ Casey i would say i would be very sad indeed and so will you two because i will probably not be around for the show any more maybe
⏹️ ▶️ Casey you’ll be happy if
⏹️ ▶️ John don’t die you’ll just bleed a lot get some stitches stupendous
⏹️ ▶️ Casey a moving right along so there was also near universal agreement that if i am wiring
⏹️ ▶️ Casey any room you’d be at one or ten or whatever if i’m going to any room don’t be
⏹️ ▶️ Casey an idiot wire at least two wires if you’re going to have one have two if you’re going to have
⏹️ ▶️ Casey if you think you need to put in four and that’s how i got to like eight in the office i
⏹️ ▶️ Casey think i think i might legitimately need that many but
⏹️ ▶️ John you realize with this project like you are essentially in a race with wireless technology i know
⏹️ ▶️ Casey you that’s very great
⏹️ ▶️ John we’ve already talked about like people getting ridiculous five g signals right if they you happen to be right near one of those millimeter
⏹️ ▶️ John wave things or whatever so um yeah this is this pole project any wiring project
⏹️ ▶️ John is racing against the advancements and wireless that now goodness is wi fi standards
⏹️ ▶️ John move not slowly but at a fairly steady pace they don’t seem to be accelerating
⏹️ ▶️ John right so you could probably graph out like how much faster wi fi has gotten over x number of years and figure out when
⏹️ ▶️ John is going to catch up with ten gig or whatever and really it doesn’t matter too much if it doesn’t keep up with your internet
⏹️ ▶️ John connection which is moving much more slowly than that but you know is as future proof
⏹️ ▶️ John that’s why cat seven is such a you know a ridiculous thing is like as future proof as you think you’re making it
⏹️ ▶️ John like just you know this this type of thing assuming wireless technology you know just within the
⏹️ ▶️ John house on wireless technology continues eventually you know when this when you’re all dead
⏹️ ▶️ John and his house gets sold to the next family presumably wife i will be like ten gig or better and no one will care about
⏹️ ▶️ John what you put in your wall and they’ll just laugh at it the same way we laugh at the weird old timey things you find in old people’s
⏹️ ▶️ John houses like razors in the wall
⏹️ ▶️ Marco a counterpoint though look at the history of these two technologies and what actually
⏹️ ▶️ Marco happens in practice so ethernet doesn’t move that quickly
⏹️ ▶️ Marco and requires you to put wires in places however those wire standards again like you like
⏹️ ▶️ Marco i put cat six in my house ten years ago twelve years ago whenever it was
⏹️ ▶️ Marco that’s still fine i i still don’t have networking gear that can exceed the capacity of those wires i put in my house
⏹️ ▶️ Marco ten years ago um and meanwhile ten years ago they promised gigabit
⏹️ ▶️ Marco speeds and they delivered gigabit speeds and this entire time they have been reliably
⏹️ ▶️ Marco delivering gigabit speeds no matter what i have done as technology has moved forward that’s always been
⏹️ ▶️ Marco very reliable a hundred percent of the time the fastest internet service i can get to my house is gigabit and
⏹️ ▶️ Marco that’s unlikely to change any time soon so then look at wi fi wi fi always
⏹️ ▶️ Marco promises more more more in practice though wi fi tends to hit
⏹️ ▶️ Marco a ceiling you know of substantially less than whatever speeds they claim it
⏹️ ▶️ Marco can hit in most people’s actual real world use because you have things like walls and other
⏹️ ▶️ Marco people’s wifi i and the person next door who still somehow has a cordless phone on the two per four gigahertz and
⏹️ ▶️ Marco five gigahertz networks at the same time somehow spreading broad spectrum and interference over the place where they have
⏹️ ▶️ Marco a microwave or something you know wi fi is better in theory in
⏹️ ▶️ Marco a lot of cases but in practice rarely matches ethernet so wi fi has a history
⏹️ ▶️ Marco and probably a future just because of things like physics of potentially
⏹️ ▶️ Marco being really good and in certain cases being really good but not being
⏹️ ▶️ Marco as rock solid reliable as wired ethernet when it’s available and so for a situation
⏹️ ▶️ Marco in your own house where if you have an opportunity to wire things that are generally
⏹️ ▶️ Marco not moved you know things like your tv set up your office desk you know
⏹️ ▶️ Marco if you can wire those things wire them because not only will they be more reliable
⏹️ ▶️ Marco and faster but then they will free up wireless spectrum and bandwidth for your for
⏹️ ▶️ Marco your wifi only devices like your phones laptops and stuff to you know have more speed for what
⏹️ ▶️ Marco they are doing so i think there there not only is still a role for ethernet to day but i think
⏹️ ▶️ Marco that role will kind of continue in indefinitely again i’m not making an infinite time scale argument
⏹️ ▶️ Marco here but i think i think ethan it has still quite a lot of years that we
⏹️ ▶️ Marco will still want to use it when we reasonably can
⏹️ ▶️ John inspiring things with either obviously all my stuff is within it for those exact reasons what i’m saying is for most people
⏹️ ▶️ John even it is already pointless how many people do you know who it’s super important in their house that they have ethane
⏹️ ▶️ John drops every room only the weirdest of computer nerds everybody uses wi fi wi fi is is
⏹️ ▶️ John the home networking solution despite the fact that it has worse latency that it has worth bandwith
⏹️ ▶️ John it has interference and your microwave messes it up sometimes like despite all that wi fi has already
⏹️ ▶️ John won that and what i’m saying is you graph how much better wi fi you know how how much faster is wi fi
⏹️ ▶️ John getting better versus ethernet standards which are only tangentially relevant because people don’t
⏹️ ▶️ John even have other wires in their house and internet connections which are getting better much more slowly
⏹️ ▶️ John and if you especially if you throw five g in there and the possibility of five g penetration especially
⏹️ ▶️ John people who live in urban areas five g is already faster than gigabit ethernet if you are lucky enough to look
⏹️ ▶️ John out your window and see a millimeter wave thing or whatever and obviously it’s not as well penetrating as one and so forth but like wireless
⏹️ ▶️ John has already won that balance so that’s what i’m saying what you’re racing against is even for the tech nord it’s
⏹️ ▶️ John possible depending on where you live that either advancements in wi fi or advancements in five g
⏹️ ▶️ John penetration could give you more bandwidth than wired gigabit still
⏹️ ▶️ John wired is better for reliability for latency which is i recommend that if you’re playing a kind of games put your consul connect
⏹️ ▶️ John your console to either not do not connect your console to wi fi no matter how good your signal is you know get that little extra
⏹️ ▶️ John edge it’s good but i feel like that is what is probably going to you know arguably
⏹️ ▶️ John has already obsolete the ethernet because the limitations of ethane oh i have
⏹️ ▶️ John to have a jack i have to have a wire i have to be near that jack if it’s not already in my house i have to have it already makes
⏹️ ▶️ John ethan wired ethan it feel like the same kind of relic as having like two phone jacks
⏹️ ▶️ John in every room where we saw that were like who cares who uses phone to use your cell phone or you get a wireless phone i don’t need a phone jack
⏹️ ▶️ John in every room and you said well phone jacks are more reliable than these wireless things you can get interference in your wireless
⏹️ ▶️ John like no i don’t need a phone jack right never mind that the phone system is entered engross or whatever
⏹️ ▶️ John but i feel like we’re already there with wired ethane that already looks weird and for casey’s particular scenario
⏹️ ▶️ John if for example he had chosen a wiring standard that maxed out at one gig i feel like within his lifetime of
⏹️ ▶️ John owning this home it’s possible the wireless would be defeating that ten gigi’s probably got plenty of headroom but
⏹️ ▶️ John certainly you don’t need more than that um and i still think if he does
⏹️ ▶️ John you know go hole hog and put a weight wires into every single room the next person to buy his house to be like what kind of person
⏹️ ▶️ John on this why are the what are these holes in the wall what is this like they won’t even know what it is like wifi is
⏹️ ▶️ John just so ubiquitous and you know this is this was it an office telephone system i don’t
⏹️ ▶️ John even know if they’ll be able to identify it because you know it case’s point even many workplaces people don’t have youth
⏹️ ▶️ John in it to their desks it’s all just i thought
⏹️ ▶️ Casey yeah i agree with both of you and as a kind of anecdote that puts
⏹️ ▶️ Casey the period on the sentence if you will when we were doing the screened in porch i think i mentioned several times that one of the things
⏹️ ▶️ Casey i demanded from the electricians and paid them to do was to put in an ethernet drop
⏹️ ▶️ Casey in the screened in porch so it’s on what was once the exterior wall that well i guess it’s still strictly speaking the exterior
⏹️ ▶️ Casey wall of the house it’s just you know under cover now and i will if i’m sitting down on the screened
⏹️ ▶️ Casey in porch working for which i do often and if i’m doing that for more than like half an hour
⏹️ ▶️ Casey i will grab an ethernet cable and i will plug it into that port because even though the wife
⏹️ ▶️ Casey is just fine in the screened in porch it’s still so much faster and so much better even
⏹️ ▶️ Casey considering the fact that this particular ethernet port has to go through coax through two moca bridges
⏹️ ▶️ Casey and coax in between them to get to anything it’s still so much better and more reliable
⏹️ ▶️ Casey than wi fi and i have the most modern euro hardware one can get and this is not an indictment of euro
⏹️ ▶️ Casey it’s just that wi fi is a miracle that it works at all and so i agree with what you
⏹️ ▶️ Casey guys are saying that you know when you have something that is a direct cable to the other things you’re trying
⏹️ ▶️ Casey to reach it’s just so much faster and so much more reliable and so speaking of
⏹️ ▶️ Casey future proofing matt van armer writes forget future proofing for bandwidth the hardest part of running ethernet
⏹️ ▶️ Casey is running the internet so if you’re fishing a wire through the wall fish at least two then worst case if you want to plug in another device
⏹️ ▶️ Casey in the room you don’t need to dangle a switch off the back of your studio display which here again is just if you’re going to run one
⏹️ ▶️ Casey run two if you’re going to run two run for etc also patch panels are a thing and i
⏹️ ▶️ Casey should probably figure out how rack mounts work because i’ve i vaguely understand
⏹️ ▶️ Casey what want you to you et cetera means but i’ve never really had to understand what all that is and i didn’t
⏹️ ▶️ Casey really think about okay if i’m having a central terminus for all of this ethernet that the historical
⏹️ ▶️ Casey committee may or may not approve then where is that going to be both in the house and where is it
⏹️ ▶️ Casey going to be as in what does it look like is it just a bunch of rj forty five connectors hanging out of a wall or ceiling
⏹️ ▶️ Casey somewhere and so yeah i guess getting a patch panel is a thing and it makes sense i just
⏹️ ▶️ Casey didn’t even think about it and then we eyed a bunch of suggestions for specifically keystone patch panels
⏹️ ▶️ Casey so a lot of patch panels apparently have just a gazillion connectors on the back
⏹️ ▶️ Casey you know each individual ethernet connection has eight strands on the back you know and you’re
⏹️ ▶️ Casey tapping all of these yourself and apparently that’s a real pain in the butt so what you can do is you can get keystone
⏹️ ▶️ Casey patch panels where basically it may not literally be a square but basically there’s an empty square at each spot and
⏹️ ▶️ Casey then you slide in the particular connector you want there now obviously in most cases that would be an ethernet
⏹️ ▶️ Casey terminus but you could put like h d m i there if you so desired so ron dicho again
⏹️ ▶️ Casey if i have ten do this is with regard to why it’s better to do keystone over the other kind of patch panels
⏹️ ▶️ Casey if i have ten drops in one and another i have to pull the entire panel off i have those many wall jacks like marco
⏹️ ▶️ Casey says ron and along with dealing with the existing ten cables to get the eleventh into place and terminate all
⏹️ ▶️ Casey of them while hoping none of my existing connections loosen et cetera with the keystone ones you can just deal with them
⏹️ ▶️ Casey individually terminate the keystone and pop it in the hole through the through the back not to mention if for some reason you
⏹️ ▶️ Casey have a need for it they make keystones for all sorts of connectors rca usb et cetera i’m almost
⏹️ ▶️ Casey done i promise cameron mackay also at great tip tip cameron says i’m glad i had our
⏹️ ▶️ Casey kids age six and eight years old help out with testing the runs they plug the laptop into each port run i have configure
⏹️ ▶️ Casey to check for a gigabit duplex link and then run the ucla speed asap to check for expected performance they
⏹️ ▶️ Casey loved doing this and felt proud to be trusted with an important job with another great tip and then
⏹️ ▶️ Casey finally something i saw i was messing about in the garage just trying to
⏹️ ▶️ Casey get an eyeball in a rough guest ament of okay how much cable am i really going to need if i do this because
⏹️ ▶️ Casey i think i want to terminate everything into the garage i don’t really have a good closet for it um i
⏹️ ▶️ Casey don’t have a basement i have a i think i said last week i have a like a neil
⏹️ ▶️ Casey space rather than a crawl space and the attic gets really really hot in
⏹️ ▶️ Casey the summer so the base or excuse me the garage seems like the best place to be the central hub
⏹️ ▶️ Casey and i was looking at it and just because of the way things are laid out in my garage i think i would need
⏹️ ▶️ Casey roughly twenty five feet or about eight meters of cable for each and
⏹️ ▶️ Casey every drop just to get from the garage either to the crawl space or to the
⏹️ ▶️ Casey um the duct work that takes me up into the attic so each and every single one of my runs
⏹️ ▶️ Casey i think is twenty five feet at a minimum and if i think about the runs to the office which is up and across
⏹️ ▶️ Casey the house each of those runs is probably a little less than a
⏹️ ▶️ Casey hundred feet i think if i’m doing this math i might be wrong but just back of the envelope it’s like thirty
⏹️ ▶️ Casey ish meters reach of these runs and so i’m not yet hitting the fifty five meter
⏹️ ▶️ Casey wall that is six not six a but six maximum distance
⏹️ ▶️ Casey for gigabit or ten gigabit excuse me but i’m close enough that i think i really think i want
⏹️ ▶️ Casey to go six a and i’m probably going to regret it but here we go so that’s that’s cash in
⏹️ ▶️ Casey that corner again the historical planning committee is not on board with this yet so there may not be any action on
⏹️ ▶️ Casey this for a while but i will let you to know if there is
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Playdate first impressions
⏹️ ▶️ Casey i have other problems in my life i got to be honest a lot of
⏹️ ▶️ Casey people are getting these delightful looking yellow objects and although i do have one
⏹️ ▶️ Casey i am not in the first batch i am in the second batch at some somewhere don’t
⏹️ ▶️ Casey really know where i have no idea when my delightful little yellow object is arriving and
⏹️ ▶️ Casey i’m really jealous john do you have a delightful yet little yellow object
⏹️ ▶️ John i don’t really play handheld systems just because the rsi issues make it difficult for me to like
⏹️ ▶️ John hold a small thing you know like typical handhelds are very small and not particularly ergonomic
⏹️ ▶️ John ergonomically friendly to use so i don’t really use handheld stuff but the play is just so adorable i just
⏹️ ▶️ John feel like even if i never play the thing i just wanted to have one just because it’s kind of amazing that it exists at all
⏹️ ▶️ John and i know the people at panic and i think it’s just wonderful that the thing they may sound like look i’m
⏹️ ▶️ John going to get this like the same reason i got the uh you know a paper copy of next generation it was the next
⏹️ ▶️ John next generation sorry um edge
⏹️ ▶️ John anyway next time was a great magazine edge magazine with played on the cover i have a nice pristine paper
⏹️ ▶️ John copy of that and i did order myself a plate but i did enough sort of hemming and hawing over
⏹️ ▶️ John whether i should get one or not that i am just so far back in the line no i’ve
⏹️ ▶️ John no idea when i’m going to get one twenty twenty three maybe so i you know
⏹️ ▶️ John i console myself because i did get to see and play with the play date what a w w c twenty
⏹️ ▶️ John that the play date’s been there’s a great podcast about that there’s a couple of posts about it so there’s the panic podcast that
⏹️ ▶️ John they talk about the play on now there’s a dedicated playdate podcast try to find a link for for
⏹️ ▶️ John the show notes um to hear the story of playdate this is something they’ve been working on what for a decade now it’s
⏹️ ▶️ John not like they just did this this year kick started it’ll be done soon they’ve been working at it for like at least ten years so
⏹️ ▶️ John im so yea i did actually hold and play with a playdate very early on and i feel very excited
⏹️ ▶️ John and privileged to have done that and that will tide me over as i wait for my play date to come
⏹️ ▶️ John i mean it’ll come after my mac studio but maybe before the heat death of the universe so i am being
⏹️ ▶️ Casey goodness do you know what group you’re in or what you’re like order
⏹️ ▶️ Casey, John number is or anything
⏹️ ▶️ John i’m in like the twenty thousands and i think like now i don’t even know if they’ve broken into the thousands like people who are getting
⏹️ ▶️ John there as their under numbers like in the hundreds or maybe the single the one thousand i
⏹️ ▶️ Casey thought they were in the thousands
⏹️ ▶️ John twenty thousand whatever group that’s in you know my own fault i
⏹️ ▶️ Casey waited too long how can you oh man i’m in the eleven thousand i’m way before you be here
⏹️ ▶️ Casey well one of us did get one though and i’m very jealous
⏹️ ▶️ Marco hey all right so i got my plate at i was in group i was
⏹️ ▶️ Marco like number four thousand something and it’s just delightful so
⏹️ ▶️ Marco here’s the thing if you want a cutting edge game system the plate it is not one
⏹️ ▶️ Marco of those it is it has this monochrome very high
⏹️ ▶️ Marco resolute and and again monochrome is not grey scale the the pixels on the screen are just
⏹️ ▶️ Marco black or white no shades of gray it’s very dense like the it’s a very high resolution
⏹️ ▶️ Marco screen for its size and it is not backlit which means you are relying
⏹️ ▶️ Marco on the light of the room around you and you know certain angles that you hold it against the light are
⏹️ ▶️ Marco much more visible than others and so it does feel a little bit primitive in the
⏹️ ▶️ Marco screen in the sense that you know it’s like i think that the lack of a backlight is is what
⏹️ ▶️ Marco really makes it feel like different and weirdly old but
⏹️ ▶️ Marco yet the extremely high resolution of the screen makes it feel newer than that so i don’t know it’s a fun convo
⏹️ ▶️ John a front light for your game boy i never had a gameboy so like the original obviously the screen
⏹️ ▶️ John technology was way worse i think they even used like passive matrix
⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco and yes but it was
⏹️ ▶️ John a blurry smear mess but but they didn’t have backlights and they didn’t have edge lights but you could
⏹️ ▶️ John buy like a basically like a reading light for your game boy they would like attached to your game boy and shine
⏹️ ▶️ John the light down to think which isn’t great because it’s not a it’s not like it’s e ink it’s not like it was a reflective
⏹️ ▶️ John screen but if you wanted to play in a dark car ride on the way home or something you literally couldn’t see the screen without
⏹️ ▶️ John some kind of light shining out so they’d sell you this little attachment i mean the play date like to
⏹️ ▶️ John point the play dad is much more modern technology incredibly high dpi i’m sure it’s included incredibly crisp
⏹️ ▶️ John and much better battery life but it is in the end it is not an e ink display and
⏹️ ▶️ John it has no light emitting from it on its own if you were in a completely dark room with it you would
⏹️ ▶️ John not be able to see anything because it doesn’t unless you have some sort source of light
⏹️ ▶️ Marco yeah exactly and and i will say like you know compared to the the black and white sides of
⏹️ ▶️ Marco old not only again is it super high resolution but motion is
⏹️ ▶️ Marco perfectly smooth on it you know again like the old game boy and stuff it it was just smear
⏹️ ▶️ Marco and blurry this does not have that problem this is incredibly fast
⏹️ ▶️ Marco clear like it’s it’s almost as it’s almost like you know like a printed
⏹️ ▶️ Marco page that is animated it’s just extremely clear and sharp it is
⏹️ ▶️ Marco not retina in the sense that like i can see the pixels but they are they are pretty small
⏹️ ▶️ Marco so the actual hardware is i can’t say enough small
⏹️ ▶️ Marco everything about it is very very small like it it fits very comfortably
⏹️ ▶️ Marco in your hands it’s almost too small for some adults think some adults might find it too small i actually
⏹️ ▶️ Marco i think this might be my first hint that i might be getting slightly far sighted because
⏹️ ▶️ Marco it’s a little bit hard for me to see some of the very tiny details in some of the games on the screen
⏹️ ▶️ Marco here we go so well see i mean i’ve you know i’ve never had corrective anything before and i’m about
⏹️ ▶️ Marco to turn forty so you know that that wouldn’t be unheard of so
⏹️ ▶️ John do you need to like i’m assuming you don’t need to extend your arms at full extension to see
⏹️ ▶️ John nose but you can’t you can’t hold it like touching your nose like it used to be able to
⏹️ ▶️ Marco yeah exactly like i have to hold it i like the distance that i’m like looking down at the keyboard on my
⏹️ ▶️ Marco desk like that’s about the distance that i have to hold it to see everything totally charms
⏹️ ▶️ Marco far so that’s that’s probably
⏹️ ▶️ John that’s that’s one advantage to having to being incredibly nearsighted as that
⏹️ ▶️ John in my old age my distance vision has gotten slightly better and although my close vision
⏹️ ▶️ John has gotten worse i can still hold things away closer than marco yeah
⏹️ ▶️ Marco so anyway so the entire system so far like the first run experience of course
⏹️ ▶️ Marco it’s what you decide from panic very well done very pleasant experience they
⏹️ ▶️ Marco did a software update earlier today on em and it like shows little fireworks when it’s installing the software like it’s just
⏹️ ▶️ Marco so cute everything is like so nicely done it’s the hardware
⏹️ ▶️ Marco feels great it’s you know u s b c this yellow plastic like the matt finish it just feels
⏹️ ▶️ Marco good in the hand buttons rice and clicky the deep heads like clicky and nice it just everything feels solid
⏹️ ▶️ Marco and intuitive um right now there’s only two games for it because the way they stage out the game so
⏹️ ▶️ Marco that there i think it’s going to be two games every week or two that come out for the for the for the
⏹️ ▶️ Marco first twenty four weeks it’s like see it the they’re talking about a season of games hence the name playdate
⏹️ ▶️ Marco it’s like kind of like scheduled releases automatically and all these games are included with every purchase so you don’t have
⏹️ ▶️ Marco to buy them separately so that’s a cool idea and and what this does you know
⏹️ ▶️ Marco we we earn a time now where we we we live in a world of incredible
⏹️ ▶️ Marco abundance especially in the area of of games you know we have millions and millions
⏹️ ▶️ Marco of games we could play now when it comes to like you know hand held games and especially
⏹️ ▶️ Marco this has kind of like a i wouldn’t call it an eight bit vibe necessarily
⏹️ ▶️ Marco because the graphics are significantly more advanced than you ever seen an ape it system um the the
⏹️ ▶️ Marco sound is eight bit inspired and the gameplay i think is kind of a combination like eight and sixteen
⏹️ ▶️ Marco bit but monochrome anyway i also have upstairs
⏹️ ▶️ Marco an s and a genesis and superintend that have game cartridge that have hundreds or thousands of games
⏹️ ▶️ Marco on each cartridge on these rom carts and i can pick any game i want from thousands of choices and most of the time
⏹️ ▶️ Marco that means i pick nothing because it’s overwhelming and so what’s interesting about
⏹️ ▶️ Marco the play at is that here is this device that right now i only have two games for only two
⏹️ ▶️ Marco games are available right now for it and next week or whenever they the do the next
⏹️ ▶️ Marco drop there will be a couple more and so what this what this made me do is kind of like when i when
⏹️ ▶️ Marco i got my my sako genesis which is my first video game system when i was a kid it
⏹️ ▶️ Marco came with the game altered beast which is not a good game but
⏹️ ▶️ Casey you bite your tongue i loved that game and i didn’t even have a genesis
⏹️ ▶️ Marco it’s yeah anyway i got it for my birthday in june and from june until christmas
⏹️ ▶️ Marco that year altered beast was the only game i had
⏹️ ▶️ Marco and at christmas for christmas i got two more games and in those that was
⏹️ ▶️ Marco the only three games i had for a long time
⏹️ ▶️ John i feel like this is a good definition of the difference between sega and nintendo the sega
⏹️ ▶️ John nintendo experience um it’s one of the complaints about for example nintendo for oh there’s
⏹️ ▶️ John no game for it right so i got in tender sixty four and i had one game for it but that game was
⏹️ ▶️ John mario sixty four and i didn’t
⏹️ ▶️ John it was one game because it was like the greatest game of all time you had altered beast as your one game
⏹️ ▶️ John so having just one game for your system can seem very limiting but if that one game is mario
⏹️ ▶️ John sixty four it’s all good
⏹️ ▶️ Marco yeah that’s that’s true yeah i had a friend who um got at the end of sixty four like at lunch
⏹️ ▶️ Marco and had my sixty four and pilot wings which were the only two games for a couple of weeks or something like that and what about
⏹️ ▶️ Marco wave race wave race
⏹️ ▶️ Marco, Casey that wasn’t lost lunch game it was literally just
⏹️ ▶️ Marco one it was just a sixty four and pilot wings for a little while you
⏹️ ▶️ John could put pilot wings that can like if you have a table that’s wobbling you could put that under the table and you could play mario sixty
⏹️ ▶️ Marco that that’s about the use they got yeah but anyway so by having this limited choice
⏹️ ▶️ Marco right now there’s only these two games right now it’s it’s this game called whitewater wipe out which okay
⏹️ ▶️ Marco a long time ago i had my cousins had a sega master system which was the most londoners
⏹️ ▶️ Marco existed it’s it was sega’s competitor to the original annies so it was before the genesis
⏹️ ▶️ Marco it was an eight bit system from sega and they had this game called california games which is basically a mini
⏹️ ▶️ Marco game collection of like you know hacky sack and surfing and roller
⏹️ ▶️ Marco skating and everything whitewater wipeout for the planet is very similar to a modern ish
⏹️ ▶️ Marco reinterpretation of that surfing game from california games for the second master system and
⏹️ ▶️ Marco so i are to know how to play it and you basically use the crank to like surf on
⏹️ ▶️ Marco a wave and and make jumps and make spins and everything you get more points until until you crash and
⏹️ ▶️ Marco that’s a really fun little action game it’s fun like and this is something i would probably not have
⏹️ ▶️ Marco found this in an app store with a hundred games in it or a million games in it but here it
⏹️ ▶️ Marco is i got to play to take it out and there’s two games already on it i didn’t have to buy them they’re just there and it’s two
⏹️ ▶️ Marco games and that’s it then this other game casual birder is is kind of like a little adventure game where you’re going
⏹️ ▶️ Marco around taking pictures of birds and you know solving this these little you know adventure puzzles and
⏹️ ▶️ Marco i spent like an hour earlier today playing this game i would never have played this otherwise
⏹️ ▶️ Marco i would never have like again found this like a giant a ap list or appstore or whatever i would never have
⏹️ ▶️ Marco gone through that but here i found it and because it’s here and it’s my only two games so i was
⏹️ ▶️ Marco forced to play it and i really enjoy it actually and i’m glad i was forced to play it and what’s
⏹️ ▶️ Marco nice about this system is that you know modern modern gaming
⏹️ ▶️ Marco i think has a severe lack of fun
⏹️ ▶️ Marco most modern games are not as fun as we want them to be in
⏹️ ▶️ Marco in fact i would even say i have a very hard time finding almost anything
⏹️ ▶️ Marco on iowa that’s fun you know iowa’s games are have been so
⏹️ ▶️ Marco you know instrumented to be money extraction machines from people
⏹️ ▶️ Marco that it’s really hard to find anything on the iphone that’s new that’s fun
⏹️ ▶️ Marco it’s they do still exist but they’re really few and far between and unless unless
⏹️ ▶️ Marco like a friend somehow finds it and tells you about it you’ll never find it yourself on the app store
⏹️ ▶️ Marco like there’s so it’s so little fun to be had out there on ios these days and the big consoles
⏹️ ▶️ Marco you know i think nintendo is still pretty good with fun they still they still do it pretty reliably
⏹️ ▶️ Marco um the other the other it’s hard you know there’s so many games that are like hard core
⏹️ ▶️ Marco let’s shoot a bunch of people you know and that’s not my scene and there’s so
⏹️ ▶️ Marco many other games that are like here’s an artsy look and we’re going to run through a field
⏹️ ▶️ Marco and you know and it’s like okay that’s that’s nicest interesting experience not sure how fun it is the
⏹️ ▶️ Marco planet is just fun like it’s the hardware is fun the two games that exist
⏹️ ▶️ Marco so far are fun they’re really simple and i’m really glad i have this little
⏹️ ▶️ Marco stupid thing like it’s it’s so delightful and fun in the broad world of
⏹️ ▶️ Marco games where that’s hard to find now these games have no innate purchases
⏹️ ▶️ Marco they don’t want me to sign up for their mailing list they don’t want to run in the background they don’t want
⏹️ ▶️ Marco me to create an account they don’t want you know they don’t need me to like buy dlc packs they
⏹️ ▶️ Marco don’t need me to buy coins or gems or any of that crap they are just
⏹️ ▶️ Marco games that are made to be little fun distractions for a little while on this cute little yellow thing that fits in
⏹️ ▶️ Marco your pocket and that’s fantastic and and even though it’s not going to take over the world
⏹️ ▶️ Marco and i probably should get reading glasses to play it i still i’m
⏹️ ▶️ Marco still really happy that this thing exists and there’s a whole other world of it that
⏹️ ▶️ Marco i haven’t explored yet which is they’ve made some pretty incredible looking developer tools
⏹️ ▶️ Marco for it and at very different skills they have like a web base thing where you can you can literally make games
⏹️ ▶️ Marco with a web app that seemed like it might be a pretty approachable thing possibly for for my son to start doing which i
⏹️ ▶️ Marco want to start exploring soon and they also have like a cap i and a lu p and all
⏹️ ▶️ Marco and all these tools like so i think this is going to have an interesting developer story as well
⏹️ ▶️ Marco um i don’t think like people keep asking me like hey you should port overcast to it i don’t think
⏹️ ▶️ Marco that would be a good idea for a number of reasons i don’t think this is going to be a device that people
⏹️ ▶️ Marco ever carry around when they don’t have a phone on them and a phone is a much better device to be a
⏹️ ▶️ Marco podcast player for so many reasons so i don’t think that’s what that’s what this is going to be this is
⏹️ ▶️ Marco not going to become like he’s not going to have a bunch of different types of apps on it for for most people to actually
⏹️ ▶️ Marco want to use it’s going to have games on it it’s going to have fun little games on it for that i think
⏹️ ▶️ Marco it’s it’s going to be a really neat thing and i really hope it takes off i hope people make
⏹️ ▶️ Marco stuff for it i hope the games take off i hope that maybe my
⏹️ ▶️ Marco son gets into making you know playing with the you know experimenting with the game maker things maybe
⏹️ ▶️ Marco maybe i will maybe katy should i don’t know like
⏹️ ▶️ John you’re going to make your total annihilation clone for it
⏹️ ▶️ Casey solid call and you could use the crank like aim and stuff
⏹️ ▶️ Marco that’s not how a works anyway so what am i thinking of then you’re thinking of scorched earth
⏹️ ▶️ Casey what i’m thinking i’m sorry yeah
⏹️ ▶️ Marco actually cause yeah cause like t requires a mouse but so and what’s what’s nice about this too you know it has
⏹️ ▶️ Marco a dad and an a and b button and so again it’s it’s simple which
⏹️ ▶️ Marco it rank and it rank so it’s it’s simple and it keeps it fun but it
⏹️ ▶️ Marco also it allows us to do things like any kind of game that works really well with
⏹️ ▶️ Marco a deep ad generally sucks on a phone like this would be a great thing for like you
⏹️ ▶️ Marco know tetris style games you know stuff that you just can’t really play very well on a phone
⏹️ ▶️ Marco because you need you need to depart do it well so i’m very much looking forward
⏹️ ▶️ Marco to what this becomes i’m delighted with what it is already even with just two games on
⏹️ ▶️ Marco it and and i’m i’m so happy this exists it really is you know it’s like
⏹️ ▶️ Marco cable ass personality like in a product like this just this force of positive
⏹️ ▶️ Marco energy shamelessly positive and delightful in in a category where we
⏹️ ▶️ Marco really haven’t seen a lot of that recently so i’m very happy to see this it is refreshing
⏹️ ▶️ Marco and promising and and just fun and delightful and so i strongly suggest you
⏹️ ▶️ Marco know if you really want one you can buy one on ebay right now for about four hundred and fifty dollars i
⏹️ ▶️ Marco wouldn’t necessarily think it’s worth that much but you know i strongly suggest if you
⏹️ ▶️ Marco um if you are on the fence about this put in a preorder get on the weight list you can always cancel
⏹️ ▶️ Marco if you want to you know get on the waitlist for it because this thing i think is going to be a lot of fun for a while
⏹️ ▶️ John what is the actual prices of two hundred dollars
⏹️ ▶️ Marco two hundred bucks early it’s like a hundred and eighty or two hundred with a little flip case and i do have i did buy the flip cases
⏹️ ▶️ Marco little purple things and they’re nice too there i mean i don’t have much to say about them yet they’re fine but
⏹️ ▶️ Marco i’m mostly holding it without the case because it’s just this little yellow thing it’s more delightful without it i think
⏹️ ▶️ John keep saying only two games but it’s like just to be clear it’s it’s it’s time to release like it’s instead of like netflix
⏹️ ▶️ John dropping the whole season at once they do they’re doling out the game slowly so that’s supposed to be of part of the fun and
⏹️ ▶️ John your your dolling out of games begins when you buy your device right so it’s not like everyone is in sync with
⏹️ ▶️ John each other they oh i didn’t realize that that’s
⏹️ ▶️ Marco that’s a really smart way to do it
⏹️ ▶️ John well if you listen to the podcast they talk about the debates they have like should they try to make it so there’s like you know everyone’s
⏹️ ▶️ John on the same schedule or should they try to do a time to the plus minus each ones again less discussion as the
⏹️ ▶️ John poets but we have the whole first season of games as far as i know it’s done right they’re just doling them out you a little bit so
⏹️ ▶️ John supposed to be like not only the individual game is fun but it’s like on a regular schedule you pick up your thing
⏹️ ▶️ John and oh here’s a new game that wasn’t there before and you don’t have to select the game or whatever the games
⏹️ ▶️ John just arrive on your play date according to the schedule of the season and by the end you have them all and of
⏹️ ▶️ John course you know we talked about this may not only is like they are web based sdk
⏹️ ▶️ John and a regular one but every single play date is essentially a dev kit there is no special devkit version of that anyone
⏹️ ▶️ John who owns a playdate can make games for it and you don’t have to go through an absol to distribute those games you
⏹️ ▶️ John can give them to anybody they can put them on there is no quote unquote side loading it is an entirely open platform
⏹️ ▶️ John so if you make a game for play date you don’t even have to tell panic about it you can just give it to all your friends and play it like it
⏹️ ▶️ John is it is like the pc of handheld consoles which really hasn’t existed in a
⏹️ ▶️ John in a popular forum anyway like the personal computer has been like that but most game consoles and especially
⏹️ ▶️ John handheld game consoles have been owned by some platform owner that controls what kind of games get to go on it uh
⏹️ ▶️ John not true of play dates so if you get a play date you can make a game for it you can get a game from anyone
⏹️ ▶️ John else you can put the game on there and by the way also you can buy future seasons of these
⏹️ ▶️ John play the games from panic one season was like one season comes with the thing and then after
⏹️ ▶️ John that i think you’ll have to buy the seasons if you want to but if you don’t you as download free games the people put
⏹️ ▶️ John up on their websites or whatever
⏹️ ▶️ Marco yeah i think it’s it’s going to be so fun to go through that because like you know part of the appeal as
⏹️ ▶️ Marco i was saying was like i only have these two games and so i’m actually playing them both and i’m actually spending decent
⏹️ ▶️ Marco time with them both if it just came with twenty four or a hundred games available
⏹️ ▶️ Marco for it i wouldn’t be doing that i would like pick and choose i would have trouble choosing finding one oh that one looks
⏹️ ▶️ Marco i don’t know if i’d like that i’ll skip it you know now i’m actually just trying them all and so by having that kind of that kind of gradual trickle
⏹️ ▶️ Marco of new games coming in it is making me try them all just like i used to do with my old consoles
⏹️ ▶️ Marco back when i you know i had no money and games cost sixty dollars and so i would like i would
⏹️ ▶️ Marco get one new game maybe every couple of months you know it wasn’t a frequent thing to
⏹️ ▶️ Marco get a new game and and then be able to you know spend a lot of time with it because it’s all i had
⏹️ ▶️ Marco and so to have that in this little thing i think this thing to be a lot of fun and this has made me smile
⏹️ ▶️ Marco more than any game i’ve found on my phone in the last year
⏹️ ▶️ Casey and to be clear there’s a blog post on the playdate website where they
⏹️ ▶️ Casey talk about a bunch of other games that you can either buy or get right now like there
⏹️ ▶️ Casey you can buy not through panic through other people you can buy you can buy other
⏹️ ▶️ Casey games like there’s one called bloom that’s ten dollars and they say in the in the blog post bloom
⏹️ ▶️ Casey is the first commercial play a game outside of our season and so there are other things you could get if you so
⏹️ ▶️ Casey desired but but you certainly don’t have to and like you said you can wait and just get more
⏹️ ▶️ Casey when they show up there’s also a pocket planner which i think is very funny where you can it’s like a calendar
⏹️ ▶️ Casey on your play date i want one i’m glad i pre ordered
⏹️ ▶️ Casey cause when the pre orders were starting this was classic casey fomo right like oh i
⏹️ ▶️ Casey don’t think i want this oh but everyone else is getting it oh i don’t know i don’t want to be that guy that doesn’t have one it looks
⏹️ ▶️ Casey neat okay fine i’ll buy it and i don’t know if i’ll use it after the first year but for a couple
⏹️ ▶️ Casey hundred bucks to try some out from some people at least casually know i think it’s worth it and and i’m
⏹️ ▶️ Casey looking forward to getting mine whenever that may be so hopefully sooner rather than later
⏹️ ▶️ Marco yeah here’s here’s a general strategy if all your tech friends are hyping up
⏹️ ▶️ Marco this thing that you think you might someday want and there’s a pre order thing if you
⏹️ ▶️ Marco can afford to just place the pre order because you can usually cancel them
⏹️ ▶️ Marco they usually let you cancel them very easily and either get the refund or you know never having been charged in the
⏹️ ▶️ Marco first place and so just put the order in because it can’t hurt to have the the order in as long as
⏹️ ▶️ Marco you can afford to actually buy the thing like it can’t hurt to have the order in and you can always cancel
⏹️ ▶️ Marco it if you change your mind down the road
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Farewell, iPod Touch
⏹️ ▶️ Casey we do have to pour one out for something that’s cancelled though and the ipod touch is no more
⏹️ ▶️ Casey it has been discontinued the music lives on gentlemen the ipod touch does not what an
⏹️ ▶️ Casey odd what an odd news release it was it
⏹️ ▶️ John was such a weird press release right so the story is that apple’s not going to be so in ipod touch anymore like it’s so
⏹️ ▶️ John available while supplies last but once they’re all sold out that’ll be it right and they have a press release fine whatever
⏹️ ▶️ John the press release spends a long time talking about
⏹️ ▶️ John all the different ways that apple has available to you to listen to music the music lives
⏹️ ▶️ John on as the title and it says the ipa touch subtitle i patch will be not the ipod touch apple
⏹️ ▶️ John would never say that ipod touch no article will be available while supplies last
⏹️ ▶️ John and then it just goes on talking about the ipod from twenty years ago and it talks all about the different kinds of
⏹️ ▶️ John ipods and has little slide show showing them and saying all the different ways you can listen to music today
⏹️ ▶️ John and just just like a couple paragraphs of that and then in the very
⏹️ ▶️ John last sentence of the entire press release it says customers can purchase ipod touch through apple dot com apple store locations
⏹️ ▶️ John and apple authorized recalls while supplies last that is the entirety
⏹️ ▶️ John content of this press release that tells you anything about the fate of the ipod touch other than the subtitle
⏹️ ▶️ John that i just read which is weird but anyway so yeah this you know as as marco
⏹️ ▶️ John said in another channel and i’m sure as many people have thought apple is still selling ipod touches yeah apple is
⏹️ ▶️ John still selling ipo touches i mean it hasn’t hasn’t been updated in three years but even that
⏹️ ▶️ John apple updated the ipa touch three years ago yeah they did they put different guts
⏹️ ▶️ Marco in it well i mean sort of yeah like so the ipod touch has the guts the current ipod touch the
⏹️ ▶️ Marco out i guess now outgoing a patch has the guts of the iphone seven roughly
⏹️ ▶️ Marco it’s iphone seven p i think the camera is probably worse but you know otherwise
⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John like no touch id
⏹️ ▶️ Marco yeah no touch yet but it’s like it’s the approximate guts of the iphone seven and so that’s already like
⏹️ ▶️ Marco most people don’t realize that the last three major versions of ios thirteen fourteen and
⏹️ ▶️ Marco fifteen all have the same supported hardware so fourteen and fifteen
⏹️ ▶️ Marco did not drop any supported devices like you know when i was sixteen comes out presumably you know
⏹️ ▶️ Marco being in beta in about a month and then you know coming out this fall it would not
⏹️ ▶️ Marco be unreasonable for them to drop multiple old harbor generations right now the six s is the
⏹️ ▶️ Marco minimum supported cpu it’s possible iowa sixteen will drop the six s and
⏹️ ▶️ Marco the seven cpus so it’s possible they’re about to release a version of ios that drop support for the
⏹️ ▶️ Marco for this version the touch anyway and that wouldn’t be unreasonable given given the age so
⏹️ ▶️ Marco anyway this this announcement you know again number one i think most people were like wait
⏹️ ▶️ Marco they were still selling the patch but everyone saying oh now the ipod
⏹️ ▶️ Marco is finally dead and i understand the sentiment but i think the ipod died as soon
⏹️ ▶️ Marco as it became an an ios only product line like the ipod touch is not an
⏹️ ▶️ Marco ipod it’s a cut down iphone and it was never an ipod you know they
⏹️ ▶️ Marco use the name but really when you say ipod that’s not what most
⏹️ ▶️ Marco people think of most people think of the music players that you know didn’t run ious
⏹️ ▶️ Marco that had some kind of you know wheels or buttons or whatever like even even the later generation
⏹️ ▶️ Marco ipod nanos that had the kind of fake ios looking home screen with
⏹️ ▶️ Marco a touch screen most people didn’t even know those existed and have never used one when you say ipod
⏹️ ▶️ Marco you’re thinking of the ipod classic the ipod mini the ipod nana like that’s
⏹️ ▶️ Marco maybe the shuffle if you are a glutton for pain that is what you think of
⏹️ ▶️ Marco an chuff was one of the best ipod ever made what are you talking about disagree but
⏹️ ▶️ Marco that product line ended a long time ago to say now that this thing that was
⏹️ ▶️ Marco basically an iphone that the death of that thing is the death of the ipod line
⏹️ ▶️ Marco i think is is there’s a lot of asterisks on that so you know i’m not i’m not i don’t want to yuck at
⏹️ ▶️ Marco anyone’s young but but i think that the end of the ipod happened a long time ago
⏹️ ▶️ John i mean this is this pre doesn’t say but this is the end of the ipod branding like apple who
⏹️ ▶️ John used the ipod brand they slapped it on this thing that’s not an ipod because the ipod brand had value and because
⏹️ ▶️ John also people knew what that was and it communicated back in two thousand seven that you
⏹️ ▶️ John could buy this and it was like an ipod like it was not a phone especially what is communicated not phone
⏹️ ▶️ John there’s no you’re not going to make any calls from it it’s an ipod but it’s an ipod touch it’s a my pot that you can touch
⏹️ ▶️ John really it’s an iphone the phone but they put the ipod branding on it because that you know that was a good
⏹️ ▶️ John way to communicate its purpose and to put it into a family of incredibly successful products
⏹️ ▶️ John with the name that people loved and the retiring of the name the retiring of like apple will no longer sell
⏹️ ▶️ John any products with ipod and the name that means that not only is the
⏹️ ▶️ John ipod gun which you know like marcus said as you know ipod went away a while ago but that the
⏹️ ▶️ John brand is now so like kind of retro that it doesn’t it no longer has enough value for apple
⏹️ ▶️ John to continue to stick it on a product and furthermore that the product that they’re making here doesn’t
⏹️ ▶️ John really have a place in the market anymore for them to be worth making it arguably didn’t have a place in the
⏹️ ▶️ John market for many years which is why they’d go years and years without updating it but basically the role of a
⏹️ ▶️ John touch device that’s not a phone that is less expensive than a phone has been filled you
⏹️ ▶️ John know you know for kids has been mostly filled by cheaper ipads or by hand me down
⏹️ ▶️ John phones or used phones now you can say okay well nothing really fills this role and i would agree there
⏹️ ▶️ John is nothing that is exactly as cheap and exactly as small and exactly as convenient and without the caveats
⏹️ ▶️ John about trying to find used phones and their batteries are worse than blah blah blah like there you’re right that that does doesn’t actually
⏹️ ▶️ John there is kind of a hole but it’s a tiny hole and in general i think history has shown
⏹️ ▶️ John that kids would rather have a small ipad or big eye pad or any literally
⏹️ ▶️ John any ipad than this dinky thing because kids aren’t like on the go and want to have this device as they
⏹️ ▶️ John go off you know like that’s a phone right and for not phone kids prefer something with a bigger screen
⏹️ ▶️ John cause who wouldn’t even an ipod binny ipad mini has a bigger screen than this so this
⏹️ ▶️ John is a product that really how long has any place in our lives and it goes out and with it leaves
⏹️ ▶️ John the the ipod product line which i feel like hasn’t had cachet in a really
⏹️ ▶️ John long time and certainly for the kids that you would be buying this ipod touch for they have never
⏹️ ▶️ John even seen an ipod and have no idea what it is just the thing that their parents tell them about um so
⏹️ ▶️ John it’s you know it’s sad i was as we talked about ages ago go on the show i was i loved my ipa touch
⏹️ ▶️ John it was what i bought when i didn’t want to pay for a plan for my iphone and i used ipa touches for many years
⏹️ ▶️ John and i still haven’t seen anyone mention it all people came close i always bring it up there was
⏹️ ▶️ John a very very very very brief moment in time when the ipa touch was the highest performing as
⏹️ ▶️ John called is it was called iphone os and it ran on your ipod touch which i wasn’t even called iphones it was
⏹️ ▶️ John just a firmware right that ran on your ipod touch the i think it was the it must have been the
⏹️ ▶️ John first generation touch actually was a little bit faster than the phone they were always thinner as gibe talked
⏹️ ▶️ John about like if you wanted to see the future of the iphone used to be to look at the ipod touch because it was the iphone without the phone and the
⏹️ ▶️ John phone bits used to take up a lot of room in there and so the ipa touch was always thinner so i have i have an attic full
⏹️ ▶️ John of old ipa touches and i patch was stolen out of my car as i mentioned in a previous show i’ve had a
⏹️ ▶️ John lot of them i had a lot affection for them but it’s very clear that the time for this product has
⏹️ ▶️ Marco yeah and if anybody out there is feeling very nostalgic about the ipod
⏹️ ▶️ Marco era um rather than jumping to go try to buy one of these outgoing
⏹️ ▶️ Marco you know slow old io s devices i think they’re kind of already sold out from
⏹️ ▶️ John what i’ve been saying like i think yeah i think so and anyone who is even like a lot of people like you this testing device
⏹️ ▶️ John or it’s nice to have a slow device sir i just want to have one for market everybody who is like you know
⏹️ ▶️ John thinking about that but never actually going following through and buying it as soon as they announce cancel
⏹️ ▶️ John think all these people just said bye it’s cheap enough it’s like an impulse purchase and they are very difficult
⏹️ ▶️ Marco yeah and and i have heard you know i said on twitter like who even use these anymore and i have heard from
⏹️ ▶️ Marco a lot of people who said like they have they have some kind of special us for them like one of them is like people who who
⏹️ ▶️ Marco do audio tours in museums they they have these things in special rugged cases or people who
⏹️ ▶️ Marco have like certain things where they have to give like a fleet of them to children in school for some reason like there
⏹️ ▶️ Marco are people who use these um but but yeah i think that’s that’s that’s a dwindling group
⏹️ ▶️ Marco and the fact is that this if if this market was already being served
⏹️ ▶️ Marco enough by still selling iphone seven guts in twenty twenty two
⏹️ ▶️ Marco then it probably is not that big of a market without being said so you know if if you want to experience
⏹️ ▶️ Marco ipod nostalgia here’s what you do don’t buy one of these things for two hundred dollars go
⏹️ ▶️ Marco on ebay and buy a second generation ipod nano for like thirty bucks
⏹️ ▶️ Marco cause there’s always i know this because i did this for a as part of a thing i was
⏹️ ▶️ Marco doing last fall i actually bought an ipod nano from ebay for thirty bucks
⏹️ ▶️ Marco it had like you know refurbished with a new battery in it and it was fine and
⏹️ ▶️ Marco it worked and it was really fun and modern macos still supports sinking to
⏹️ ▶️ Marco an ipad to an ipod as long as you can dig up a dock cable somewhere or possibly by one
⏹️ ▶️ Marco of those on ebay as well or it might come with it depending on you know what kind of salary you buy it from but as long
⏹️ ▶️ Marco as you still have or can get a dock cable and you can plug it into any modern mac and you
⏹️ ▶️ Marco can sing songs to it from the now finder interface after plugging
⏹️ ▶️ Marco an ipod and it works the ipod nano second gen i think is the epitome of
⏹️ ▶️ Marco what people think of when they think of what an ipod is um you know you’re
⏹️ ▶️ Marco usually not thinking of the latter again like the big kind of all screen models you’re even not really
⏹️ ▶️ Marco thinking of like the ones that have really fancy color um to like you know show video and and
⏹️ ▶️ Marco big al mart and everything the ones that look like that’s not what you’re thinking if you’re thinking of either an
⏹️ ▶️ Marco ipod classic or ipod nano and even then like the earlier nanos not even the later nanos
⏹️ ▶️ Marco and you can get that experience for thirty bucks on ebay and then you can you
⏹️ ▶️ Marco can try it for a few days and you can realize okay this this is fun nostalgic
⏹️ ▶️ Marco but it’s so much better to just use my phone with my wireless earbuds and my streaming
⏹️ ▶️ Marco services and my sole connection if i forgot to download something and my easier navigation and my
⏹️ ▶️ Marco much larger collection like you start realizing okay actually there’s a reason why we
⏹️ ▶️ Marco replaced all this category with phones and that’s what really killed the ipod was when
⏹️ ▶️ Marco we all got iphones then there was no reason yet all of us we loved our
⏹️ ▶️ Marco ipods and when we got our phones we kept we tell ourselves i’m still going to carry the ipod too it’ll serve
⏹️ ▶️ Marco its role maybe i’ll keep it in the car or whatever and they just slowly fell out of use because phones
⏹️ ▶️ Marco are just so much better for this role so this is a wonderful piece of nostalgia it’s great
⏹️ ▶️ Marco to go the ebay route if you want to have some fun with one for a little while but then you’ll
⏹️ ▶️ Marco move past it because what we have now is better so it was a great era that era is over
⏹️ ▶️ Casey yeah my first apple device of any sort was the original ipod nano which i coveted i wanted
⏹️ ▶️ Casey one so badly and if i’m not mistaken it was one of aaron’s like first big gifts
⏹️ ▶️ Casey to me i think that’s correct i’m pretty sure that’s right and and i don’t even know if i still have it or
⏹️ ▶️ Casey not but i wanted that thing so bad when i got it i loved it gosh did
⏹️ ▶️ Casey i love that thing and i take a slight issue with what you said earlier marco the the ipod
⏹️ ▶️ Casey i think died with ios five and i was running through the screenshots on wikipedia
⏹️ ▶️ Casey i had forgotten that the music app on ios one through four iphone os one through four
⏹️ ▶️ Casey was called ipod and it was ios five that it was music yeah i did not
⏹️ ▶️ Marco wow and that’s not just in the ipod text on
⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John the island bill as well
⏹️ ▶️ John three separate not three separate devices
⏹️ ▶️ John as inter communicator with a safari and as the phone icon
⏹️ ▶️ Casey completely forgotten about that and so
⏹️ ▶️ Casey, Marco anyway about that
⏹️ ▶️ Casey too so i was five when it became music that’s when the ipod really truly died
Farewell, macOS Server
⏹️ ▶️ Casey alright let’s do some ask t p
⏹️ ▶️ John i got to do one more cancel
⏹️ ▶️ Casey oh it’s going to it’s going take too long it’s not going to take the long okay here we go
⏹️ ▶️ Casey, John everyone you have
⏹️ ▶️ John time to say about about this i don’t
⏹️ ▶️ Casey i have hours of content about this john hours i tell you
⏹️ ▶️ John this this is a few weeks old but it’s in the in the same category as apple
⏹️ ▶️ John canceling products they finally put to bed macos server you may be wondering what
⏹️ ▶️ John the heck is macos server do you mean macos ten server no i do not this is another one of
⏹️ ▶️ John those products that apple had for many years that slowly faded away kind of like the ipod
⏹️ ▶️ John slowly faded away until finally he goes away and people are like what’s going away what are you talking about um
⏹️ ▶️ John not to give too much history but back before macos ten there was a product apple soul
⏹️ ▶️ John called macos ten server it was based on was not based on the same code base
⏹️ ▶️ John that macos ten ten point was based on it was based on the rhapsody code base from ages ago it was really
⏹️ ▶️ John confusing they released a product called macos ten server right but it was not that was not based on
⏹️ ▶️ John macos ten then macos ten came out you know we got jaguar puma you know cheetah jaguar pumbaa
⏹️ ▶️ John one yard red and they also introduced a new product called macos ten server that
⏹️ ▶️ John had really no relation to the previous macos ten server but was instead the server variant
⏹️ ▶️ John of mac os ten so you know you’d get macos ten ten point two jaguar
⏹️ ▶️ John and you’d get the server variant i forget what year the server variant came out i remember all ten i
⏹️ ▶️ John never reviewed mages ten server right but it existed as a companion with the regular macos ten thing
⏹️ ▶️ John and then at some point in the past i said you know we’re not going to do that anymore we’re not going to have a server
⏹️ ▶️ John version in a regular version cause we’re just tired of supporting the servo version and you know we’re just going to have one version we’re
⏹️ ▶️ John going to call it os ten by this point i think it was called and the server part
⏹️ ▶️ John of it will just be an apple a set of aps that will you be able to get and install on plain
⏹️ ▶️ John old macos ten that will provide you server functionality so if people are wondering what is macos ten server
⏹️ ▶️ John would i have have like a mail server and you could manage other people’s mac with it and
⏹️ ▶️ John what else did it have like a directory service like it had server type stuff that you could run on a mac
⏹️ ▶️ John if you wanted a mac to be a server usually a server for a bunch of other macs but the services would be crossed by form
⏹️ ▶️ John the they just consolidate all that stuff into apps or an app called server or whatever
⏹️ ▶️ John and till makes ten server was no longer a product that you could buy but
⏹️ ▶️ John you could still buy a mac ten or whatever it was called and then put this server stuff on it this
⏹️ ▶️ John discontinuation is now we’re not even going to give you this service stuff we’re tired of having a directory server for
⏹️ ▶️ John having a mail server a file sharing server a time machine server where we’re not going
⏹️ ▶️ John to have that as a separate product most of those things have been built into plain old macos
⏹️ ▶️ John right so you don’t need a special survey it’s just part of the os now and the things that weren’t built
⏹️ ▶️ John in we’re just not going to make them any more and apple points you to third parties to do
⏹️ ▶️ John things like this so if you want to use mobile device management they’re third party ones for that if you want to use some other
⏹️ ▶️ John feature that is not built into the u s here are some third party companies that provide that and i feel
⏹️ ▶️ John like this kind of this is the sort of end of the road and not read the as like it’s been the rain’s been
⏹️ ▶️ John on the wall for ages right but apple slowly but surely exiting
⏹️ ▶️ John the server space saying that’s not what macs are for you don’t run a mac
⏹️ ▶️ John to be a server for your fleet of other computers right apple wanted
⏹️ ▶️ John to be in that business back when the pc was kind of the center of gravity of the market and then it tried
⏹️ ▶️ John to play there apple made servers the ex server rockman ten mac server they made a server os
⏹️ ▶️ John they said you can use a mac to be a server and some people were into that but
⏹️ ▶️ John not enough people and just eventually apple said you know what microsoft because that’s what we’re talking
⏹️ ▶️ John about here you can have this market and so for a brief moment apple was like we’re going to
⏹️ ▶️ John fight against exchange and active directory and we’re going to have our own products and some of them are going to be open source and we’re going to
⏹️ ▶️ John be a great server for max will be on several other things too and you can buy a really nice looking server and rack mount it
⏹️ ▶️ John and pay way more than you’d pay for an intel unix or windows based server but it looks really
⏹️ ▶️ John nice and well run our server os on it and it just never really
⏹️ ▶️ John never really got going for lots of good lots of very good reasons it never really got traction
⏹️ ▶️ John and so i don’t you know this is not a surprise that apple is just finally completely totally exiting
⏹️ ▶️ John and saying look we’re not even pretending we’re doing anything remotely in this space we’ll just disband
⏹️ ▶️ John all those teams any part of this is that we thought was useful we shoved into macos proper and it is there and
⏹️ ▶️ John it is useful and you can have it but we’re not pretending max or servers and kind
⏹️ ▶️ John of like the apa touch like okay this all makes sense if you read it down on paper like i can see you know this
⏹️ ▶️ John is not a market apple hence to be in but in kind of the same way as apple getting out of the wi fi
⏹️ ▶️ John market well maybe not quite the same way but like i find it a little bit sad because it is essentially
⏹️ ▶️ John you know receding the market to microsoft not that i have anything particularly against microsoft
⏹️ ▶️ John but microsoft’s complete dominance in the world of corporate it
⏹️ ▶️ John of like hey you have a company and people in your company have computers and you need to have like a directory service
⏹️ ▶️ John so people can look up other people’s email addresses you need to have a mail server and so on and so forth having microsoft
⏹️ ▶️ John continued to just completely dominate that field does not make me particularly
⏹️ ▶️ John happy and it’s not just because everyone ends up getting slack and liking it and then slack has replaced with teams
⏹️ ▶️ John in their own hate but that is part of it
⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco that is an exam
⏹️ ▶️ John that is so true in so many places even before slackened teams like it like example
⏹️ ▶️ John of dislike look you’re going to have to pay microsoft anyway because every company pays microsoft because there’s
⏹️ ▶️ John something you need for microsoft and why do you need something will you want your people to have corporate email right and you want to do
⏹️ ▶️ John like anything you think you want to do microsoft is the default and if you decide we don’t want to pay microsoft
⏹️ ▶️ John for everything not that it’s impossible to find alternatives like google will tell you all that
⏹️ ▶️ John stuff too right but microsoft is still dominant in this business microsoft is the best at it they’ve been
⏹️ ▶️ John doing it the longest and when i say the best at it they’re the best at selling companies
⏹️ ▶️ John things that companies want to buy or think they to want to buy but in my experience using these products
⏹️ ▶️ John google’s not great at it either but like slack is the great example how about someone who’s not microsoft
⏹️ ▶️ John or google can they make a product that can help enterprises do the things that enterprises want to
⏹️ ▶️ John do and that users don’t actively hate yeah they could and for a brief moment there was a product that
⏹️ ▶️ John people didn’t you know same thing with drop bucks for a brief moment there was a product that users didn’t actively hate the businesses
⏹️ ▶️ John seemed to like but dropbox was replaced by either box or one drive and the
⏹️ ▶️ John google stuff was replaced by microsoft and it’s just i know i’m kind of out of the the corporate
⏹️ ▶️ John you know rat race and this is really not relevant in my life any more but i look at them as i say
⏹️ ▶️ John there a is a moment that people never never really believe was real but it really was when apple
⏹️ ▶️ John was like you know what we’re going to get right in there and we’re going to fight for this market and we’re going to fight
⏹️ ▶️ John for this market with apple products unashamed apple products and they fought and they lost
⏹️ ▶️ John and they lost big and then they ran away and i feel like it’s not good
⏹️ ▶️ John for no one to be fighting for this and you say well google’s fighting microsoft but on the other hand microsoft’s
⏹️ ▶️ John fighting google i feel like just the number of competitors is too low and none
⏹️ ▶️ John of them seem to have i don’t know i mean there’s a reason i’m a mac
⏹️ ▶️ John user and not a windows user and that that appeals to my tastes and and i guess there’s a reason that that businesses
⏹️ ▶️ John choose windows for their service even as businesses increasingly choose macs for their you know and
⏹️ ▶️ John serve things it just i feel like i
⏹️ ▶️ John don’t want to live in a world where the only two choices of microsoft and google and that microsoft is dominant and i think that is
⏹️ ▶️ John sort of emblematic of the entire enterprise software problem where the people who choose what to buy are not the people
⏹️ ▶️ John who you know use the software right and so users continue to be
⏹️ ▶️ John somewhat put upon by the the corporate solutions therefore to deal with and every other competitor
⏹️ ▶️ John that tries to fight for that market ends up getting squished and running away
#askatp: Still need ECC RAM?
⏹️ ▶️ Casey let’s do some asset p and robert boyle rights and your discussions of the mac studio versus mac pro you
⏹️ ▶️ Casey focus on modularity differences in the past you’ve said that e c c ram was a big issue for you
⏹️ ▶️ Casey which the m one doesn’t have do you think apple will offer e c c ram and the apple silicon macpro
⏹️ ▶️ John so the point of ecc ram is you know if there are errors that they’ll be detected error correcting
⏹️ ▶️ John code right so we can we can figure out this some kind of grammar and the more ram you get the more likely you are to encounter
⏹️ ▶️ John grammar just because it’s a lot of averages you just keep adding more and more bits and if the rate of bit error
⏹️ ▶️ John is the same as you add more of them the chances of one of those bits being wrong goes up and big computers like
⏹️ ▶️ John big pro macs tend to have a lot of ram so a good idea of c c ram but this whole thing
⏹️ ▶️ John of like having c c ram is kind of a nomenclature in technology
⏹️ ▶️ John from not the distant past but the reasonable passer like that was the way we would do it you buy you know sims
⏹️ ▶️ John or dims there would be these chips that have ram chips on them you’d shove them into a slot and there was a
⏹️ ▶️ John variety of that that had ecc ram that had air correcting codes though every extra circuitry to detect
⏹️ ▶️ John when an error was encountered and either correct the error if it could or fail if the ear as
⏹️ ▶️ John you know too bad or whatever and that was important for servers because they had a lot of ram when there were a lot of them and
⏹️ ▶️ John if they hadn’t you’d rather have them fail or you know fix fix at one bid or if they could or fail if they
⏹️ ▶️ John needed to rather than just to continue as if everything’s fine with an incorrect error as if i could say it’s a banking application
⏹️ ▶️ John or something like that where you don’t want a bit error causing the wrong amount of money to go somewhere you don’t want
⏹️ ▶️ John that silently just happen right so that’s what you’re trying to do is make a more
⏹️ ▶️ John reliable version to ram when you can detect when errors happen in correct if possible
⏹️ ▶️ John lots of the more modern ram technologies if you look at what they’re doing under the covers have
⏹️ ▶️ John some internal system for detecting and handling and even sometimes correcting ram but we
⏹️ ▶️ John don’t call those quote unquote ecc ram because it is not exactly like the ram of the
⏹️ ▶️ John old days with ecc technology in them so all that said i don’t
⏹️ ▶️ John actually know if any of the ram apple uses in any of its m one type things
⏹️ ▶️ John have any kind of error correcting circuitry or technology whatsoever
⏹️ ▶️ John i know they’re not advertised or called ecc ram and they’re they’re not the same as the
⏹️ ▶️ John e c c ram that was in like two thousand eight macpro for sure but i don’t actually know if the
⏹️ ▶️ John underlying whatever it is you know l p d d r for ram it itself incorporates
⏹️ ▶️ John some of the sort of circuitry techniques and technologies at ecc rammed it so i think
⏹️ ▶️ John for the pro mac i don’t think apple’s going to go to any particularly heroic measures
⏹️ ▶️ John but it could be that whatever ram apple ends abusing perhaps not in the first arm
⏹️ ▶️ John based pro mac what may be the second or third one will incorporate some kind of
⏹️ ▶️ John air correcting technology just because the underlying you know industry standard
⏹️ ▶️ John ram technology they choose but you know like say in a distant future like the high band with venture h b m
⏹️ ▶️ John four or whatever making some future thing that itself could incorporate some air cracking thing and if
⏹️ ▶️ John so apple will use it in the appropriate context but i don’t think apple is going to go out of its way
⏹️ ▶️ John to do something entirely exotic and different ah
⏹️ ▶️ John if there isn’t already an industry standard ram technology that offers ever correcting stuff
#askatp: Mac-“cleaning” apps?
⏹️ ▶️ Casey john selec writes for several years i have used both pc and mac platforms one of the questions
⏹️ ▶️ Casey i have always wondered is about cleaning software in the world pcs you often find yourself needing to have
⏹️ ▶️ Casey something that will go through and remove various applications and foul system cruft periodically i was just about to buy some
⏹️ ▶️ Casey software for my new one on mac to handle this very thing and i thought i would ask the experts if you probably know what to look
⏹️ ▶️ Casey for and remove manually but for those of us who are not as familiar in the world of the mac are these types
⏹️ ▶️ Casey of programs snake oil or would they be worth while i can only speak for myself and i have run things
⏹️ ▶️ Casey like this in the past it’s been so long i don’t even remember what i ran and this is not something that i
⏹️ ▶️ Casey personally worry about but i have a feeling one bit that you guys will have some thoughts
⏹️ ▶️ Marco i mean this is the kind of thing that you have to be careful about what you install and
⏹️ ▶️ Marco and what their claims are and and and what you can do
⏹️ ▶️ Marco yourself you know things like uninstalling apps and cleaning out a bunch of files
⏹️ ▶️ Marco that actually is a problem on macos like one of the great things about ios is that when you delete an app
⏹️ ▶️ Marco on ios and with a couple of weird odd exceptions that mostly clear after a reboot it’s gone like
⏹️ ▶️ Marco that when you when you delete an app on ios that’s it and that for some
⏹️ ▶️ Marco reason apple has never brought that experience to macos you can delete the apple macos
⏹️ ▶️ Marco but that doesn’t mean that it’s gone it just means that like the executable the binary
⏹️ ▶️ Marco is gone but it could have left a whole bunch of crappie over your library or whatever and that that
⏹️ ▶️ Marco could be there forever basically that being said having much crap in your
⏹️ ▶️ Marco library doesn’t seem to really be a problem with the exception of disk space that it takes up but you know it doesn’t
⏹️ ▶️ Marco like slow your computer down in a meaningful way to have a bunch of crap there but there
⏹️ ▶️ Marco are apps that that will offer you know various like tidiness or cleaning type
⏹️ ▶️ Marco verbs to describe like deleting files that you probably don’t need any more possibly from apps that are installed
⏹️ ▶️ Marco anymore or whatever that’s a perfectly fine thing just if you if you are going to go down that
⏹️ ▶️ Marco route make sure that you trust the developer because you’re you have to give them full disk access to
⏹️ ▶️ Marco be able to do this and you you’re having them like go go find stuff to delete
⏹️ ▶️ Marco on your computer so this is this is not something to be taken lightly and most people find
⏹️ ▶️ Marco that kind of trade ought not to be worth it you know that if you’re if you’re going to if you want to go like delete
⏹️ ▶️ Marco stuff out of your library folder or whatever you let old cruft you can generally just do that
⏹️ ▶️ Marco yourself if you are at all technically inclined you can find the handful of places in the file system that
⏹️ ▶️ Marco that these files tend to be and you can leave them yourself and it’s usually fine um
⏹️ ▶️ Marco so these these apps they do provide a service that is that is a real
⏹️ ▶️ Marco useful utility but it comes with significant risks and there is
⏹️ ▶️ Marco a lot of snake oil in that business where where you know certain less scrupulous versions
⏹️ ▶️ Marco of these apps i mean some of them are just malware some of them will make claims that
⏹️ ▶️ Marco are are technically unsound or will will try to like you know always be running
⏹️ ▶️ Marco so that that way they can like monitor everything and that’s that has some security implications and
⏹️ ▶️ Marco and again technical scariest so it is a category where
⏹️ ▶️ Marco it is useful to have apps in this category for certain people but i think it’s probably not most
⏹️ ▶️ John it’s one of those questions we get every few years and i intentionally put in the program every few years sorry
⏹️ ▶️ John if you’re hearing the same question addressed again but you know i think it’s important because especially people who are new to the
⏹️ ▶️ John mac they get a mac and they’re like what things do i need for this and you will see heavily advertised
⏹️ ▶️ John things there like you need this to help maintain your mac right that it’s just you know like the same way you have to get
⏹️ ▶️ John an oil change in your car you need an app like this and so people do they don’t ask whether they need it what they ask is
⏹️ ▶️ John which one of these things should i get the other category is virus programs so we’re not talking about that right now is
⏹️ ▶️ John which one of these mac cleaning programs should i get because it seems obvious that i need a mac cleaning program
⏹️ ▶️ John um and you know the best answer is always says you don’t need a mac
⏹️ ▶️ John lean program macos is not designed to need a maclean page if you literally never
⏹️ ▶️ John use any kind of mac lean program you use your mac you’ll be fine right anything
⏹️ ▶️ John that you could you know the bad that could happen and you know that a mac cleaning
⏹️ ▶️ John program could save you from it can’t actually save you like that type of badness of something
⏹️ ▶️ John getting wedged in there and running weirdly or spinning out of control that can happen whether or not you
⏹️ ▶️ John a run a cleaning program now the cleaning programs they’re like okay well i don’t like say you like margo
⏹️ ▶️ John said i can just go to eat stuff but i don’t trust myself to do that i think it’s a good instinct if you don’t know what you’re
⏹️ ▶️ John should be deleted don’t just go and look and say i don’t think i need this and delete it because you will screw things up right
⏹️ ▶️ John especially if you you know give yourself a bin permission to delete stuff right but by the same token using
⏹️ ▶️ John one of these cleaning apps does actually require some knowledge of what
⏹️ ▶️ John what’s what right because you can mess yourself up with one of these cleaning aps not through any fault of the app but
⏹️ ▶️ John they very often offer features that let you do things that you probably don’t want to do like nuking
⏹️ ▶️ John your launch services database there are situations where you might want to do that and having a trusted third party app do it for
⏹️ ▶️ John you is good but you don’t want to do that routinely it’s going to mess things up because now it’s got to re index all of your aps and do
⏹️ ▶️ John a bunch of stuff that’s going to make your computer slower for no reason it’s another opportunity for things to get screwed up if your
⏹️ ▶️ John lunch service database was fine you didn’t need to mess up and if you don’t know what the lunch service is database is don’t buy
⏹️ ▶️ John an ap that that lets you nuke your lunch service database and then click the button because you think it’s somehow making your mac better
⏹️ ▶️ John or like a cleanliness thing mac os is not designed to need any of these apps
⏹️ ▶️ John to the extent that it does to marco’s point like oh what if an apple solves much of craft and it’s hanging around
⏹️ ▶️ John and it actually is harmful that is a problem for apple to fix not you in general there’s not much
⏹️ ▶️ John apse can do these days especially good modern aps to sort of screw up your mac long
⏹️ ▶️ John term other than taking up a minuscule negligible amount of disk space but you really shouldn’t worry about
⏹️ ▶️ John these days and the other one is this is going to get more technical you probably need no but like if if launch
⏹️ ▶️ John services stuff is is left in there that can that can have something that is actually
⏹️ ▶️ John running or trying to run and generally sort of being in the background annoying that
⏹️ ▶️ John you don’t need any more because you deleted the app but the launch services thing is still there very often the
⏹️ ▶️ John lunch services thing will be there and it will be trying to be run a binary that doesn’t exist any more because it was inside the app bundle
⏹️ ▶️ John apple’s modern practice on the mac are moving very heavily towards the i os model where
⏹️ ▶️ John everything is part of the app bundle including all the extensions and everything rather than being in your library follow
⏹️ ▶️ John they will actually be in the app bundle so when you throw out the ap it actually throws out all the extensions with it
⏹️ ▶️ John like finder extensions or whatever but because the mac is an older platform that’s not true of all mac apps so
⏹️ ▶️ John it is still possible for mac aps to spray files all over your desk which is why by the way one of these
⏹️ ▶️ John sort of instincts that you can you know lean on even as a new mac user is if i
⏹️ ▶️ John installed the app by dragging an icon into the applications folder i can be fairly confident
⏹️ ▶️ John and if it didn’t prompt me for some future install process that dragged me up out of the application folder into the
⏹️ ▶️ John trash got rid of anything that i really need to care about yes you’ll still have preferences and other stuff or whatever but if on the
⏹️ ▶️ John other hand you used an install or dot p k g thing to install the app that may have
⏹️ ▶️ John spread files all over your desk you don’t actually know where it’s putting things you can find out if your technically savvy you can look at it and
⏹️ ▶️ John use an app like a pacifist look what pkg is doing and you can look at what an installer’s doing by you
⏹️ ▶️ John know running you know like there’s all such techy things you can do but i
⏹️ ▶️ John guess i but like if you
⏹️ ▶️ John you know modern well behaved mac apps will not
⏹️ ▶️ John even leave any cruft around that you need to care about and in general macos
⏹️ ▶️ John does not require you to have any of these kinds of applications so i would say my default is you don’t need
⏹️ ▶️ John one of these don’t try to but if you find yourself in a weird situation and it seems like oh i have a problem and i see
⏹️ ▶️ John lots of people suggesting one of these apps might be the solution again be careful
⏹️ ▶️ John but if you have people that you trust at that point may be considering finding one of the reputable
⏹️ ▶️ John ones of these applications someone you trust tells you this one is reputable and another thing is asking do you have a everyone
⏹️ ▶️ John honestly don’t cause i don’t use these type of application but they’re out there they are reputed ones but only at that
⏹️ ▶️ John point where you are troubleshooting an existing problem and troubleshooting that has led you
⏹️ ▶️ John through a series of things that you trust to potentially look at one of these apps only then look at it but
⏹️ ▶️ John you do not need one of these as a routine part of owning a mac just let it go
#askatp: Language choice for server costs
⏹️ ▶️ Casey abel demos writes i’m going to build a back end application that does a lot of service
⏹️ ▶️ Casey crawling and has a handful of questions to what degree does your choice of programming language impact server
⏹️ ▶️ Casey costs what a statically typed compiled language for the robust concurrency model like golang
⏹️ ▶️ Casey be more efficient to crawling speed say than say ph p and significantly reduce servicos
⏹️ ▶️ Casey if the language choice does matter what about swift and go language benchmarks say that go
⏹️ ▶️ Casey is faster in many respects but and going has a better concert concurrency model than swift i’m
⏹️ ▶️ Casey comfortable with swift but i’ve never written a line of going in my code in my life and finally would the savings
⏹️ ▶️ Casey and server cost be worth learning a new language i think marco you’re probably most appropriate to
⏹️ ▶️ Casey answer this question partly because i don’t want to hear john go on and on about a pearl for an hour
⏹️ ▶️ Casey so tell me what do you think marco
⏹️ ▶️ Marco in my experience i mean this is very application dependent so you know massive disclaimer
⏹️ ▶️ Marco here it depends on what you’re doing now i happen to have a lot of experience with this particular thing of crawling
⏹️ ▶️ Marco a bunch of server of rss feeds basically that i i do um you know overcast crawls
⏹️ ▶️ Marco probably hundreds of feeds per second so this is off the top of my head but you know it’s
⏹️ ▶️ Marco probably in that ballpark and and so this is this is an area that i do the crawlers
⏹️ ▶️ Marco themselves are written in go which um and and the role here to be clear
⏹️ ▶️ Marco the go is not passing any of the rss or figuring out what to do with the contents of the feeds
⏹️ ▶️ Marco all its doing is fetching the feeds on a regular interval determining whether they
⏹️ ▶️ Marco have changed since the last time they’ve been processed and if they have changed stuff them into
⏹️ ▶️ Marco a q to be processed by php so that i wouldn’t have to deal with go for all the string handling code
⏹️ ▶️ Marco of doing all that and because i had already writen it in php and then there’s a whole bunch of php
⏹️ ▶️ Marco q consumers that run on various application servers that that deal with that
⏹️ ▶️ Marco now as for a cost breakdown the go servers are that are crawling
⏹️ ▶️ Marco all the feeds a that costs me in the order of a few hundred dollars a
⏹️ ▶️ Marco month on our frequent monster linode i have six crawlers that i pay
⏹️ ▶️ Marco i think sixty a month each other like three sixty total now for my
⏹️ ▶️ Marco databases i pay like three thousand dollars a month so it’s you know
⏹️ ▶️ Marco we’re like talking like ten times as much cost for databases as for that um and there
⏹️ ▶️ Marco there are a few other servers that help out you know like the actual web slash application servers that are running
⏹️ ▶️ Marco on the php you know that’s that’s a non trivial cost there but databases are the big part
⏹️ ▶️ Marco of it because databases need lots of everything they need lots of cpu power
⏹️ ▶️ Marco lots of ram and when you’re crawling this many feeds lots of storage space so
⏹️ ▶️ Marco it depends again depends on what you’re going to be doing with with your ap but in general
⏹️ ▶️ Marco in my experience so far every single web thing i’ve worked on so far that has had
⏹️ ▶️ Marco multiple servers and therefore you know significant costs databases are always
⏹️ ▶️ Marco the biggest cost because you know when you’re when you’re doing like you know web server slash ab servers
⏹️ ▶️ Marco you can usually do like the the shared cpu instances at your host which
⏹️ ▶️ Marco are usually cheaper you can usually do almost no disc space you know just enough to hold the ap
⏹️ ▶️ Marco and whatever temp stuff you might need but for the most part you have no disk pace so that that saves on the massive
⏹️ ▶️ Marco ssd costs there and you’re mainly dealing with like cpu and some ram
⏹️ ▶️ Marco you don’t even need a lot of ram usually on on most application servers and cpu especially at the shared cpu
⏹️ ▶️ Marco plans that’s usually the cheapest resource to get at most modern hosts compared to the other ones
⏹️ ▶️ Marco so you do save in the cpu time by using
⏹️ ▶️ Marco a very efficient language like go but your saving the cheapest
⏹️ ▶️ Marco most available and most easily scaled resource whereas databases
⏹️ ▶️ Marco are expensive and hard to scale and usually the bottleneck of pretty much everything
⏹️ ▶️ Marco you’re going to be doing and so yes the language choice does matter
⏹️ ▶️ Marco but not as much as you think for most applications
⏹️ ▶️ John the only ad is that obviously depending on your application like you
⏹️ ▶️ John may not like it may be premature to worry about this because try getting some customers first where you actually
⏹️ ▶️ John have to worry about scale but it is worth thinking about a front because if you think there’s a reasonable chance you are going to have
⏹️ ▶️ John scale the next thing you need to ask is yeah but is this like am i going to be limited
⏹️ ▶️ John is the language going to be limiting me in some way right so one way i could limit you as cost like oh it turns out that if we
⏹️ ▶️ John you know we scale up to a hundred million users this will cost me so much money so it is limiting me is it cost lens of money i
⏹️ ▶️ John got to rewrite it in a cheaper language but the other way i can limit you is in terms of like total performance
⏹️ ▶️ John throughput right that you just can’t get the performance you want like you can’t scale this thing up without you know
⏹️ ▶️ John doing something ridiculous like say you write this application and it becomes gargantuan and it’s written in you know php
⏹️ ▶️ John or python or something that is not particularly you know stingy with memory
⏹️ ▶️ John and you just you just made this monster and now you need to run on something with like
⏹️ ▶️ John huge amounts of ram just to run one instance of your thing oh and by the way now you need thousands of
⏹️ ▶️ John his instances just to get the performance you want like on an average day of like i just can’t i can’t handle
⏹️ ▶️ John the peak load at noon when most people are using my very popular application to do that like i have to
⏹️ ▶️ John you know i have to basically scale vertically because it’s easy to scale out horizontally but if it turns out just to
⏹️ ▶️ John sort of run one instance of your thing on one server you need like a monster instance that
⏹️ ▶️ John with a huge amount of ram and a huge amount of see you because of your language choice that’s not a good place to find yourself like you’ve
⏹️ ▶️ John accidently written a monolith in an inefficient language and you need
⏹️ ▶️ John huge amounts of them and it becomes sort of untenable that maybe maybe you can’t even get that many or
⏹️ ▶️ John like you start getting beat up on the overhead of just having these things you know any kind of sort of sideband
⏹️ ▶️ John communication with each other read so an early choice up front to know is this the part of the thing that is
⏹️ ▶️ John going to be a performance bottleneck or is that is going to like scale up like how much ram is this
⏹️ ▶️ John going to use if we get you know a million times more customers how much the bus is going to be used if we get a million times more
⏹️ ▶️ John customers that you can do that back of the envelope math to make some choices early on but very often
⏹️ ▶️ John like in the case of marcos thing you’re not it’s not like a real time interactive application and
⏹️ ▶️ John so in that case as long as you can get the crawling done for example like you can get twenty four hours worth
⏹️ ▶️ John of crawling done in twenty four hours you can just you know use whimper slower
⏹️ ▶️ John smaller instances and just take the full twenty four hours right yes if you wrote it and go you’d use half the instances for
⏹️ ▶️ John half the time but the bottom line is like painting the golden bridge right you’re just going to start over the other end when you’re done anyway
⏹️ ▶️ John and as long as the throughput is sufficient for you to do whatever batch job you’re doing as long as
⏹️ ▶️ John you can get the job done in sort of your time window the inefficiency of using
⏹️ ▶️ John a ten times slower language doesn’t really matter cause tomorrow’s point like it’s not going to be that that’s
⏹️ ▶️ John not your big expense anyway and if it’s you know if it was fast for you to write and it it’s you
⏹️ ▶️ John know it’s the language you’re familiar with even if it’s ten times less efficient as long as it gets the job
⏹️ ▶️ John done and as long as you don’t think like well if you know or is there are there going to be
⏹️ ▶️ John a trillion podcast in ten years probably not like the number of podcast is somewhat bounded
⏹️ ▶️ John right right so like you can kind of do the back of one of mathis say the job of crawling podcasts
⏹️ ▶️ John how often do i think should they should be crawled for a good experience and how many podcasts are there going to be
⏹️ ▶️ John essentially ever like bounded order of magnitude you can say all right yes i if i wrote it
⏹️ ▶️ John and go i would save a little bit of money each month but you know
⏹️ ▶️ John it if i write it in php it’s not the end of the world it will get the job done so it’s very difficult to
⏹️ ▶️ John give blanket advice because we don’t know what you’re doing are you doing a podcast crawl that needs the raw feeds once every twenty
⏹️ ▶️ John four hours once every hour or are you writing something that needs to update for the moment are you writing an interactive application that users
⏹️ ▶️ John are going to be using and and at peak times there’s going to be you know one million per second or something
⏹️ ▶️ John very different choices based on those things though unfortunately for service i thought there’s no one answer other than
⏹️ ▶️ John saying you could probably find a way to do it with a w s
⏹️ ▶️ Casey i would like to add one quick thing in that in my experience learning another language
⏹️ ▶️ Casey even if you don’t really do much with it is almost always a worthwhile expenditure of
⏹️ ▶️ Casey time and you know what when i first dabbled with python ten fifteen years ago i didn’t think
⏹️ ▶️ Casey in a million years i’d be writing a code to figure out if my garage door was open or not and yes that wasn’t
⏹️ ▶️ Casey particularly important but it was still nice to have a little exposure to python years years and years and years and years
⏹️ ▶️ Casey in the past to get me ahead on that so i don’t think it’s necessarily bad to explore another
⏹️ ▶️ Casey language or even learn to some degree in other language and i mean marco i don’t see you writing a lot of go
⏹️ ▶️ Casey willingly these days but nevertheless i still think it i think it’s it
⏹️ ▶️ Casey was a worthwhile expenditure of your time and i would guess that you do too
⏹️ ▶️ Marco oh it was a hundred per cent worth it because my php based crawlers before this
⏹️ ▶️ Marco were not nearly as good for this particular task because like i use god’s whole like channel
⏹️ ▶️ Marco system of their whole concurrency model for managing this whole thing and it’s great and you’re
⏹️ ▶️ Marco right i don’t write a lot of it because like i wrote this years ago and then basically
⏹️ ▶️ Marco haven’t really touched it much since then and i have since mostly forgotten the language
⏹️ ▶️ Marco and whenever i do have to go in there and like change one little thing i have to basically relearn the
⏹️ ▶️ Marco language again just to you know be able to make a two line change or something like that it is it’s kind of funny and a little bit scary
⏹️ ▶️ Marco like if i ever have to do a bigger change it’s going to have to like take a weekend and really like
⏹️ ▶️ Marco relearn the entire thing again
⏹️ ▶️ John just you guys rewrite it and rest then because that’s the good thing of like you
⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco part of it that you pick a part of
⏹️ ▶️ John it that like actually is performance sensitive the concurrency matters like you said you didn’t rewrite the whole like
⏹️ ▶️ John parsing feeds or whatever because you already have that code and that’s not the code like you can just cure that out and and paralyze
⏹️ ▶️ John it it’s like it’s the it’s the crawler itself the little core of the crawler and so if you needed to write that again
⏹️ ▶️ John you know the job that it needs to do and you could say okay well now it’s time to let him rest and you could write it and rest and then
⏹️ ▶️ John you don’t have to re learn go and it would as long as it is comparable in performance and comparable you know mechanisms
⏹️ ▶️ John for concurrency you could just write it in whatever the language of the day that is the most go like
⏹️ ▶️ Marco yeah i mean and and frankly you know if i was writing something from scratch today
⏹️ ▶️ Marco i think i would i would consider a radically different architecture than than what i did here like
⏹️ ▶️ Marco i’ve been brainstorming for a while like can i really can i maybe reduce the amount of
⏹️ ▶️ Marco like database use that i have
⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John here because
⏹️ ▶️ John stuff on people’s devices
⏹️ ▶️ Marco yeah and or you know use things like s three as the storage you know there there are things i can
⏹️ ▶️ Marco do that i’ve been brainstorming of like i think i might want to go somewhere in this direction because it running
⏹️ ▶️ Marco all this like i had to deal with some database stuff this week and it was stupid and it was easy
⏹️ ▶️ Marco but i still hate dealing with it on so many levels and and it’s extremely expensive and
⏹️ ▶️ Marco so i was thinking like maybe i should start you know changing things but there’s never a
⏹️ ▶️ Marco good time to do that so i don’t know anyway thank you so much everybody for listening thank you to
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⏹️ ▶️ Marco tell you what my new um i got my new capture set up going with the pcie enclosure
⏹️ ▶️ Marco finally got it working now with the magwell card um i returned the black magic decklink
⏹️ ▶️ Marco card the magwell pro capture h m i thing is working great i have four capture dreams
⏹️ ▶️ Marco it is a dream to use because not only is this much smaller and simpler than my previous
⏹️ ▶️ Marco set up of having like four or three different little hdmi capture usb thingies
⏹️ ▶️ Marco like it’s so much simpler the enclosure has been great i have everything
⏹️ ▶️ Marco running off of one cable correctly now like you know before i was describing like
⏹️ ▶️ Marco when i was when i was trying to plug every single thing into the um the colbie at t s three plus
⏹️ ▶️ Marco that you know some of the capture things would only work if i plugged them in directly to the computer and so
⏹️ ▶️ Marco i ended up i was ended up using like all three of my computer’s ports anyway
⏹️ ▶️ Marco now i can literally just use one the only downside is that the enclosure only provides fifteen watts
⏹️ ▶️ Marco of power to the computer so that’s not great as the only power source so i am using
⏹️ ▶️ Marco a second u s b c port purely for power makes us maca for that will be fine
⏹️ ▶️ Marco so anyway that’s that’s the only real downside otherwise it’s fantastic it is
⏹️ ▶️ Marco it has so far been very reliable the quality is great and i’m i’m very
⏹️ ▶️ Marco happy with it so i should have done this earlier honestly i should have gone straight to the
⏹️ ▶️ Marco solution um because you know it’s a decent amount of money but so was the previous
⏹️ ▶️ Marco set up where i had you know three different you know elgato capture things plus the t s three
⏹️ ▶️ Marco plus that’s not cheap either and so having this pci express enclosure with this
⏹️ ▶️ Marco dedicated card in it and these u s b cards is is a dream so i’m very happy with
⏹️ ▶️ Casey so tell me again it’s it’s a generic pc express enclosure that lets you basically
⏹️ ▶️ Casey put what i would consider to be a desktop card in a box and then connect it to your laptop and then
⏹️ ▶️ Casey remind me what the car is
⏹️ ▶️ Marco so the enclosure is it’s so almost everything sonnet you know sonnet tech so it’s
⏹️ ▶️ Marco a sonnet enclosure with three pcie slots in it two of the slots i have put sonnet usb
⏹️ ▶️ Marco cards in that have four ports each one a one c like one bank of as on bank of cs
⏹️ ▶️ Marco because i have both devices um and then the third slot has a magwell
⏹️ ▶️ Marco pro hd quad capture card so it captures four h g y ports and
⏹️ ▶️ Marco the the magwell was the only thing that required that required drivers i wish there was some kind of
⏹️ ▶️ Marco capture that didn’t require drivers on macos i don’t know if that exists but as far as i
⏹️ ▶️ Marco can tell they all required drivers so this this required them so you know that’s one thing that could break in
⏹️ ▶️ Marco the future is like you know if some future version of access comes out and then mage does not take the
⏹️ ▶️ Marco drivers that could that could mess me up a little bit and i’ll i’ll cross that bridge if it comes but otherwise