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448: Next Year, Which Is Now

iPhone 13 and 13 Pro series, Apple Watch Series 7, new iPad and iPad Mini, and our love of the great state of California.

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  1. Donate to St. Jude! 🖼️
  2. We ❤️ California
  3. Apple TV+
  4. iPad
  5. Sponsor: Squarespace (code ATP)
  6. iPad Mini
  7. Sponsor: Mack Weldon (code atppodcast)
  8. Apple Watch Series 7 🖼️
  9. Fitness+
  10. Sponsor: Linode
  11. iPhone 13, 13 Mini
  12. iPhone 13 Pro, Pro Max
  13. Conclusions & themes
  14. Ending theme
  15. iPhone 12 exit interview

Chapter Donate to St. Jude! image.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey If I guarantee, if I absolutely guarantee that I’m getting a case, presumably

⏹️ ▶️ Casey some sort of leather case, probably the Apple one.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Oh, for the love of God, still get AppleCare.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Okay, that’s where I was driving.

⏹️ ▶️ John What are you doing? I believe in your ability to break it in the case. Yes.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey I never used to get AppleCare until I started going caseless, then AppleCare was my case.

⏹️ ▶️ John You’re getting old and clumsy.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Getting? Getting old, getting clumsy. Are you kidding? I’ve been there for years. All

⏹️ ▶️ Casey right, so we have a lot to talk about and we should dive right in. As per John Syracuse’s

⏹️ ▶️ Casey rules, we are not going to do any follow-up this week, so we’re going to have a pile of it next week, I guarantee you.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey However, we need to talk about something far more important even than follow-up, and I think

⏹️ ▶️ Casey I have the approval of Mr. John Syracuse to say that. We need to talk about St. Jude

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Children’s Research Hospital. Hey, guess what? It’s September, and September is Childhood Cancer Awareness Month.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey And because of that, we are joining RelayFM. Since we are RelayFM, we’re part of RelayFM,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey we’re doing this with RelayFM. I don’t know, it doesn’t matter. Anyway, RelayFM and us are trying to raise money for

⏹️ ▶️ Casey St. Jude. And Relay set a goal of if memory serves, $333,000.33, I think, because it was the

⏹️ ▶️ Casey third year that we slash they are doing this.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey And thanks to a couple of people in particular, we have

⏹️ ▶️ Casey surpassed that goal. and the new goal is not $400,000. John, how much is the new goal? You put me on the spot.

⏹️ ▶️ John It’s $400,001. That’s

⏹️ ▶️ Casey correct, as it should be. Am I right? So anyway, so I wanted to call

⏹️ ▶️ Casey out a few different things and a few different people. First of all, James Neal

⏹️ ▶️ Casey was the brief, astonishingly brief, leading donor

⏹️ ▶️ Casey with $21,001. So thank you, James. And James has already written

⏹️ ▶️ Casey in and has said, you know what? I’m doing this for the kids. I don’t need stickers. You can take your stickers and show.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey No, he didn’t say that, but James was very kind and said, don’t worry about the stickers. Just

⏹️ ▶️ Casey happy to do something nice for St. Jude. And then breaking news earlier today,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey we were getting extremely close to hitting the goal of $333,333.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey And then a group of people,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey it sounds like it’s an app that I would enjoy. It’s called, let me look this up, ah,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey 1Password, a group of people that work on an app called 1Password. It sounds like

⏹️ ▶️ Casey it’s good, I should check it out sometime. They donated $26,922.04. Holy jamolis.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey So the team at 1Password, it turns out that you absolutely can buy my love and it costs

⏹️ ▶️ Casey you the small amount of $26,922.04. So

⏹️ ▶️ Casey thank you to Dave Teer and the rest of the 1Password folks. We everyone

⏹️ ▶️ Casey really appreciates it. And if I’m not mistaken, it was their donation that put us over the

⏹️ ▶️ Casey original goal such that the new goal is $400,001.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Now, here’s the thing. If you donate enough

⏹️ ▶️ Casey money to be on the leaderboard, I will allow you to break rules. And

⏹️ ▶️ Casey neither of the two of them know that this is happening. So prepare yourselves, gentlemen. This is

⏹️ ▶️ Casey a iPhone event day, so we do not have follow-up. However, Gus the Dog,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey previous champion, wrote in about a week ago. And Gus the Dog also

⏹️ ▶️ Casey shooed the stickers and said, no, no, don’t worry about it. Thanks, but no thanks. But Gus has requested something, and since

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Gus was briefly the leader, Gus gets to screw up the show for this event.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey And Gus says, Please just let Marco know on the next show that, as someone born and raised

⏹️ ▶️ Casey on Long Island, I can confirm John is correct. Fire Island is part of Long Island.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey So, Gus the Dog, thank you for your feedback. I love these high

⏹️ ▶️ John donors.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, John Yeah, I bet

⏹️ ▶️ Casey you do. I bet you do.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco So, I’ve actually, I’ve been doing more surveying on that point. Even though we’re not doing a follow up, just a very quick thing.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I have found more people who said it is part of Long Island, but it’s still significantly

⏹️ ▶️ Marco a minority. I would say it’s at least three quarters of people I’ve asked so far say it is not the same

⏹️ ▶️ Marco or not part of it. Uh, whereas one quarter about, uh, seem to say that it is.

⏹️ ▶️ John Well, that’s a good thing. Facts aren’t determined by polling.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey All right. We do have some other followup, including from other, uh, brief leaders slash champions.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Uh, but I will save that for another day. we should move right along and talk a little more about what you can

⏹️ ▶️ Casey do to help St. Jude and the Children’s Research Hospital there. Hey, you can donate money. You

⏹️ ▶️ Casey can donate your money. It does not have to be the absolutely ridiculous sum of $26,122.04. It can be just a few

⏹️ ▶️ Casey bucks. That’s fine. That’s awesome.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey So if you want to help out kids who have cancer and who doesn’t, then go

⏹️ ▶️ Casey to Because

⏹️ ▶️ Casey hey, guess what? Cancer sucks. Childhood cancer sucks a lot. So let’s try to fix it. Let’s do what we

⏹️ ▶️ Casey can. St. Jude Children’s Research Hospital is not going to stop until

⏹️ ▶️ Casey it has cured, or until we have cured childhood cancer. They’re doing everything they can

⏹️ ▶️ Casey to do that. Doctors from all 50 states and around the world refer their patients to

⏹️ ▶️ Casey St. Jude because they have the world’s best survival rates for some of the most aggressive childhood cancers.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey St. Jude also provides thousands of pre-consultations for doctors treating children worldwide, including kids in your community,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey even non-Americans. So hey, guess what? If you have a few bucks to scrape together,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey please, slash ATP, please throw a few dollars

⏹️ ▶️ Casey their way. It is almost Marco’s turn to do the hard sell. However, John has pointed out to me in the

⏹️ ▶️ Casey past a couple of things worth noting. Hey, your employer might match your donation.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey And if they do, please email Stephen Hackett at an address that I don’t remember off the top of my head. I believe

⏹️ ▶️ Casey it’s Stephen at Real AFM. That’s P-H-S-T-E-P-H-E-N at Real AFM, I think is correct.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Anyways, email Stephen, say, hey, my employer matched with such and such amount, and that will contribute

⏹️ ▶️ Casey to our goal, which is excellent. And not to poke the crypto bear, which is our favorite

⏹️ ▶️ Casey thing to do these days, but hey, you can even donate crypto. I don’t think it counts toward our goal, but you can donate cryptocurrency.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey So if you feel guilty about, you know, in destroying the planet, which you probably should,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey you can offset that guilt by saving children. It’s a win-win. And I’m not gonna announce

⏹️ ▶️ Casey the URL because it’s kind of long, but you’ll have to look it up. But some has to say it can be done. We’ll put it

⏹️ ▶️ Marco in the

⏹️ ▶️ Casey show notes. We’ll put it in the show notes. Marco, would you mind, please, giving the hard sell on this,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey the day of iPhones?

⏹️ ▶️ Marco So first of all, to reiterate, the only thing that is sensible to do with cryptocurrency is donating to St. Jude.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco That’s, you should just give it all to them and then you can be absolved of whatever emotional

⏹️ ▶️ Marco weight you have of destroying the earth with your cryptocurrency. Yes, I know about proof of stake or whatever, I don’t care. So anyway,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco the real reason you should give to St. Judy, even if you don’t have cryptocurrency, is that Apple event

⏹️ ▶️ Marco season is upon us. The Apple event was today, we’ll get to that in a moment, but

⏹️ ▶️ Marco obviously we are at risk, you all out there, at risk of spending large amounts of money

⏹️ ▶️ Marco with Apple in the next few days or weeks. And if you don’t do it at this event,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco there’s probably another event coming sometime soon where you might have something there you’re gonna blow a bunch of money on.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco And so sometime soon, listeners, you’re gonna feel the need or the want to

⏹️ ▶️ Marco blow a bunch of money on Apple stuff. And when you do that, we’ve seen what these things cost.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco They have 38% profit or whatever margins. There’s a lot of money going towards Apple.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Take some of that money that you’re gonna give to them and divert it to St. Jude. So,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco it’s up to you what that could be. It could be something like, hey, I’m gonna buy a thousand

⏹️ ▶️ Marco dollar iPhone something max, or whatever, then maybe kick a hundred bucks to

⏹️ ▶️ Marco St. Jude. Maybe 200 bucks to St. Jude. Whatever you can do. If you can’t do that much, give them 30 bucks, give them 20

⏹️ ▶️ Marco bucks. Whatever you can give, give them what you can. And it really makes a big difference, and

⏹️ ▶️ Marco it will absolve you of your guilt of just rampant, shameless consumerism

⏹️ ▶️ Marco that

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John we

⏹️ ▶️ Marco are all about to celebrate by talking about how we’re gonna spend, how we’re gonna buy a new $1,000 phone

⏹️ ▶️ Marco to replace our old $1,000 phone because the camera’s a lot better, or whatever. We’re

⏹️ ▶️ Marco all gonna do this. And even for those of you out there who are more reasonable with your budgeting and purchase decisions,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco give what you can to St. Jude. Because it’s a really good organization, this is a really good, just a fantastic cause

⏹️ ▶️ Marco that really makes a huge difference in people’s lives. And it’s hard to find a better place to put your money than St. Jude.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco So give what you can, and may you be absolved of your consumer guilt by

⏹️ ▶️ Marco doing so.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey All right, do we want to talk about Fire Island or should we talk about the offense?

We ❤️ California

⏹️ ▶️ Casey I don’t want to start

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, Marco another fight. Well, first,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I think we should begin by just having a video of us, just a whole bunch of beautiful

⏹️ ▶️ Marco people in beautiful places that have nothing to do with our podcast. Here’s how we feel.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco And then we should come out and say, we made this video to show you how excited we are.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco We really love this place. This is how excited we are. Look at how excited we are.

⏹️ ▶️ John Maybe we can make a satellite phone call from the desert.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey I liked that theory. I

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, John was my

⏹️ ▶️ John guest when Tim Cook tweeted a picture of someone off in the middle. We’re coming from a new location.

⏹️ ▶️ John Turns out the new location was California.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Can we have a little special treat for the bootleg people if you don’t mind? Because please don’t put this in the show. Please don’t

⏹️ ▶️ Casey put this in the show. I will swear.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, Marco How

⏹️ ▶️ Marco much editing do you think I’m gonna do tonight, Casey?

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, Casey Oh

⏹️ ▶️ Casey God, all right, I’m just gonna bite my tongue. I was gonna complain and moan about how obsessed with California Californians are, but

⏹️ ▶️ Casey I’ll just leave it at that.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco No, California is a beautiful place. It is.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, Casey I am

⏹️ ▶️ Marco so, whenever I visit there, I’m so envious of just how, because New York is a pretty damn beautiful place

⏹️ ▶️ Marco too, but California really is something else. Like it’s really amazing. The reasons

⏹️ ▶️ Marco why I don’t live in California have nothing to do with its beauty or its climate

⏹️ ▶️ Marco or anything like that. Those things are all great. And if it weren’t for all the passive aggression, I think

⏹️ ▶️ Marco it would be a lot

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John nicer.

⏹️ ▶️ John Marco prefers aggressive aggression from

⏹️ ▶️ Marco New York. Yeah, I do. That’s what’s great about

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John New York. Hard

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, Casey to agree.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco In New York, everyone just tells you what they think at all times to a fault. And

⏹️ ▶️ Marco if somebody doesn’t like you, it will be very clear to you. In California, that’s not how things

⏹️ ▶️ Marco are done. And also in New York, the humor is very dry and sarcastic. If you bring dry, sarcastic

⏹️ ▶️ Marco humor to California, they just think you’re a jerk. Like they don’t get it and

⏹️ ▶️ Marco they think you’re a jerk, but you won’t be able to tell they think you’re a jerk because they won’t even tell you directly because they’re very passive aggressive

⏹️ ▶️ Marco there. But I do love a lot of people in California And some of them are very, very nice, but yeah, it’s not a

⏹️ ▶️ Marco good cultural fit for me.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey The funny thing to me about California is that it is hilariously, preposterously,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey absurdly, unreasonably expensive to live in a place that is doing everything

⏹️ ▶️ Casey it can to fall off the continental United States, to light itself off in flames,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey and then completely die because it has no water. I mean, it is a beautiful place. It is a beautiful

⏹️ ▶️ Casey place and there are so many wonderful things about California, but it is hilarious to

⏹️ ▶️ Casey me how proud Californians are of California. The only people that I know that are more

⏹️ ▶️ Casey proud of their state are Texans and there’s a lot more guns there, so I don’t want to offend them, so I’m just going to leave it at

⏹️ ▶️ Casey that. But yeah, this was a celebration of California as everything Apple is. And so after

⏹️ ▶️ Casey my eyes rolled right the hell out of my head, I picked them up, put them back in my noggin.

Apple TV+

⏹️ ▶️ Casey and then I could continue watching the presentation. We did a little bit on Apple TV+,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey which was fine, whatever. It is so,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I just got this strange feeling seeing, you know, Tim Cook, this

⏹️ ▶️ Marco tech company executive, basically becoming for a few minutes a TV

⏹️ ▶️ Marco executive and having to promote a TV lineup. It just was weird. Like, you

⏹️ ▶️ Marco know, you’re accustomed to, you know, TV people doing TV stuff. You know, you see, you know, the

⏹️ ▶️ Marco head of NBC or whatever, here’s our great fall lineup and all this in prime time. And it just

⏹️ ▶️ Marco felt weird to me to see like Apple, like a tech company doing that. Does that seem weird or is everyone just

⏹️ ▶️ Marco kind of used to that now?

⏹️ ▶️ John I mean, I feel like tech companies running video streaming services, arguably Netflix has always

⏹️ ▶️ John kind of been a tech company because they, I mean, even when they were mailing us DVDs. But Amazon certainly qualifies

⏹️ ▶️ John and they have a streaming service. And I feel like, you know, that’s just sort of par for the course that,

⏹️ ▶️ John I mean, large tech companies who want service revenue eventually get a video streaming service.

⏹️ ▶️ John And then they eventually realize they need original content because people won’t give them their other content once

⏹️ ▶️ John they realize they’re making money off of it. And so this is just where we find ourselves. And it may be weird for us, because like you said, like

⏹️ ▶️ John the head of NBC, does any kid listening to this know or care what the head of NBC has to say about

⏹️ ▶️ John anything? No, it’s all streaming these days. So I think this is just the world we live in, that yeah, tech companies have streaming

⏹️ ▶️ John services because streaming services were originally a tech innovation even though they’re rapidly becoming

⏹️ ▶️ John commonplace. And those companies that have them realize that they want that money. They gotta get that original content

⏹️ ▶️ John and then you gotta promote it. So I guess it’s strange, especially if you’re an Apple fan, thinking like

⏹️ ▶️ John Apple from the 80s is gonna be pitching a bunch of like high budget, high polished TV shows, but it just

⏹️ ▶️ John seemed pretty normal to me. Like I would just assume leave that out of my product announcement keynotes,

⏹️ ▶️ John but you know, Apple’s gonna do what Apple’s gonna do. And how they showed iCards for like three different events in a row too.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey I mean, it does look like there’s some pretty good programming coming. Uh, I don’t feel like I have

⏹️ ▶️ Casey enough time in the day for all this stuff I want to watch as is, but there are definitely things like the, uh, Will

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Ferrell, uh, uh, Paul Rudd. Is that right? Uh, thing looks pretty good. The Jon Stewart thing looks

⏹️ ▶️ Casey pretty good. I liked the first season of the morning show. I’ll watch the second season of that. So.


⏹️ ▶️ Casey I know there’s good stuff coming, but we really should move along and talk about the iPad.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey The no qualifications, just straight up iPad got updated to a two-year-old processor.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey And it still has…

⏹️ ▶️ Marco From a three-year-old processor. Whee!

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, Casey It still

⏹️ ▶️ Casey has traditional Touch ID, but it got better cameras, including center stage, which is the thing where it

⏹️ ▶️ Casey pans and tilts and zooms

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, John and whatnot.

⏹️ ▶️ John Can I just say how just painful it is that the least expensive iPad

⏹️ ▶️ John has center stage, but it’s still too fancy for the Mac to have.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Yeah, that’s very true.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Well, and they also didn’t give it to the iPhone for whatever that’s worth. And we’ll get to that, but.

⏹️ ▶️ John I mean, maybe it’s because of the angle. I’m really feeling bad about the fact that like, you know, $8

⏹️ ▶️ John bajillion Mac Pro doesn’t even come with a camera. But anyway, even if you put a camera on it and it’s a 4K camera,

⏹️ ▶️ John oh no, center stage for you, sorry. But I was thinking for like, you know, for most Macs, letters, MacBooks or whatever,

⏹️ ▶️ John that maybe the camera is not high quality enough for them to crop out of it. Because like what they do with center stage

⏹️ ▶️ John It’s a really wide angle camera, but they just show you a crop of that and they just move around. It’s Pan and

⏹️ ▶️ John Scan. They just move around where the crop is in the frame. And maybe the cameras are so bad and so low resolution

⏹️ ▶️ John on Max that if they tried to do that, it would just look like a blurry Vaseline mess. But

⏹️ ▶️ John I hope Max catch up with this. I’m glad it’s on this iPad, don’t get me wrong. And

⏹️ ▶️ John this iPad continues to lag by what? The same constant amount? Like I said, it was an A12 last year, now it’s an A13.

⏹️ ▶️ John It lags by two numbers.

⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey The current

⏹️ ▶️ John chip is an A15, this one has an A13, and as we talked about in last week’s show, that’s a good chip

⏹️ ▶️ John for a cheap iPad. You know, it’s a shame that this is the last iPad on the

⏹️ ▶️ John old design, and it’s the last iPad with lightning and all that, and has the first generation pencil and all that other stuff. But

⏹️ ▶️ John hopefully, unlike a product that we will discuss later in the show, I’m sure, next year, maybe this design

⏹️ ▶️ John will finally go away, and we will have a clean, uniform iPad lineup, all with USB-C.

⏹️ ▶️ John But in the meantime, it’s still a good iPad.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco But yeah, because like, you know, this, I mean, first of all, I do think the timing is kind of funny that they released this right after the school

⏹️ ▶️ Marco year starts, because I think the largest consumer of the cheapest iPad is probably schools.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco And so the schools probably just bought a ton of the outgoing model.

⏹️ ▶️ John Well, but if they keep this cadence, they’ll buy a ton of this model for next school year. And then right after they buy them, a new one will

⏹️ ▶️ Marco come out. Yeah, that’s true. But anyway, you know, this, I feel like this, this iPad

⏹️ ▶️ Marco does a lot kind of under the radar. You know, it’s like, This one is the one that people

⏹️ ▶️ Marco buy, you know, schools, businesses, but I think mostly schools just buy this in massive quantities.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco You know, if you need an inexpensive iPad for some reason, whether it’s, you know, for children or

⏹️ ▶️ Marco for, you know, casual users, business users, you know, installation type things like square

⏹️ ▶️ Marco terminal, cash registers and restaurants, like there’s all sorts of things where like, you just kind of need an iPad.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco It doesn’t need to be very high end in any way. You just kind of want it to be inexpensive and have

⏹️ ▶️ Marco the basic features covered pretty well. And so I think they set, they always, whatever the lowest end iPad is, they always sell a

⏹️ ▶️ Marco ton of them. So this is an important model in the sense that it’s very widespread

⏹️ ▶️ Marco and, you know, it’s by far like, you know, the cheapest way into this kind of stuff, but

⏹️ ▶️ Marco it’s also really boring from our point of view as like a tech podcast. Like there’s not much to say about

⏹️ ▶️ Marco it.

⏹️ ▶️ John I think Casey put in the notes here, I didn’t notice this, USB-C power adapter.

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco So

⏹️ ▶️ John the iPad, the iPad doesn’t have USB-C on it, but I assume it comes with a cable that has lightning on

⏹️ ▶️ John one end. I think

⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey that’s right. And

⏹️ ▶️ John USB-C on the other, and that USB-C plugs into the power brick. So the iPad kind of got

⏹️ ▶️ John USB-C, but not in a way you really care about. Yeah.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey No, certainly not. And yeah, they made very brief mention of the fact that it has a USB-C power adapter. And I was like,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey oh, oh, oh, USB-C. Oh, wait, but that’s the original Apple Pencil. So it’s gotta be lightning.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, Marco And so

⏹️ ▶️ Casey it’s exactly what you said, John, that it’s gotta be, you know, a lightning to USB-C, a lightning to

⏹️ ▶️ Casey USB-C cable in there. To go back quickly a half step, Declan last year, you know, was remote for kindergarten

⏹️ ▶️ Casey the entire year. He was using a school provided iPad and guess what? It was iPad seventh generation, 32 gigs,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey and it was full pretty much the moment he was issued it. But nevertheless, that is, like

⏹️ ▶️ Casey you guys were both saying, it is definitely the school kid iPad. And I mean, it does look nice

⏹️ ▶️ Casey and it’s a nice upgrade. It’s still old tech, but it’s reasonably cheap. It’s $330 for us for 64 gigs or 300 bucks

⏹️ ▶️ Casey if you’re an education buyer. So order today, available next week. And

⏹️ ▶️ Marco there’s twice as much storage as before. You said, you know, the 32 was the standard before, now it’s 64. So that’s a nice little

⏹️ ▶️ Marco upgrade.

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⏹️ ▶️ Casey All right, iPad Mini. Coming back from sleep, I wouldn’t say the dead, but coming back from

⏹️ ▶️ Casey a slumber perhaps, it’s quote their biggest upgrade ever quote. You know, I used to be a

⏹️ ▶️ Casey very big iPad Mini apologist. I used to love my iPad Minis, iPads Mini, whatever.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey I still have a couple, one of which is in use as a kid iPad. I don’t think it’s really

⏹️ ▶️ Casey for me anymore because I really do like having the iPad Pro and particularly having a keyboard

⏹️ ▶️ Casey that I can use easily with the iPad Pro. But that being said, holy crap, this thing

⏹️ ▶️ Casey looks awesome. So it has the flat sides that I really, really enjoy, and we’re going

⏹️ ▶️ Casey to talk about that some more later. It has an A15, which I didn’t say out loud during

⏹️ ▶️ Casey the keynote, but it does. It supports the pencil too. And I noticed, it was very funny that the pencil

⏹️ ▶️ Casey appears to be just a touch less tall than the iPad is itself. The

⏹️ ▶️ Casey iPad and the pencil are very nearly the same height, which I thought was quite funny. It comes

⏹️ ▶️ Casey in purple, pink, starlight, space gray, and apparently no silver. An 8.3

⏹️ ▶️ Casey inch display with wide color true tone. They made mention of it being extremely anti-reflective, which I thought was

⏹️ ▶️ Casey interesting, and 500 nits, which probably doesn’t mean much right now, but will mean a little something in comparison later

⏹️ ▶️ Casey on. It does have the power button touch ID. This is in contrast to the iPad that has the traditional

⏹️ ▶️ Casey home button touch ID. This one is USB-C. It has 12 megapixel front and rear cameras,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey including a rear camera with two-tone flash, the 12 megapixel front camera center stage, a new speaker

⏹️ ▶️ Casey system with stereo, which they specifically said stereo in landscape, which I guess makes

⏹️ ▶️ Casey sense if they’re on what I would consider the top and bottom if you’re holding it in portrait, but I thought that was an interesting comment.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Also available for order right now, and yeah, you can order right now and it will be available next week.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah, this is awesome. Like, you know, so our kid uses an iPad Mini as his

⏹️ ▶️ Marco primary computing device most of the time. And because people, I saw a

⏹️ ▶️ Marco few people on Twitter like it blew by that everyone’s like, why are you upgrading the iPad Mini so much? And the reason is like,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco the iPad Mini for a long time has been a low-end device. And

⏹️ ▶️ Marco as many nerds like us have said, from the iPad and the iPhone and even the Mac lineup,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco like sometimes the small thing needs to be low-end for whatever reason, maybe the high-performance hardware

⏹️ ▶️ Marco can’t fit in the smaller enclosure of something. But there’s also a lot of people who want

⏹️ ▶️ Marco a smaller thing in the product line, but who also want it to be good.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco You know, they’re like, sometimes the small thing is the low end thing, most of the time, but it’s also nice

⏹️ ▶️ Marco when there’s a small thing that has higher end options or higher end performance in some way. And

⏹️ ▶️ Marco the iPad mini forever has been just kind of, eh. It’s always been

⏹️ ▶️ Marco middle of the road hardware, not super great in any real respect.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco oftentimes lagging behind by a year or two and not updated very frequently. And

⏹️ ▶️ Marco it went through a time about three, four years ago when we all thought it was dead forever. But the good thing is

⏹️ ▶️ Marco then they finally updated it and they’ve actually kept it updated now. This is

⏹️ ▶️ Marco continuing a pretty good pattern. I think the last one is updated about two

⏹️ ▶️ Marco and a half years ago. So this is not bad to have this one be here now.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco As for the design and everything, what they basically did is made it a tiny iPad Air. Although it’s actually better

⏹️ ▶️ Marco than the iPad Air because it has an A15 and the iPad Air has an A14. So they’ve

⏹️ ▶️ Marco upgraded it just more recently, but otherwise it’s basically a mini iPad Air, which the iPad Air is basically

⏹️ ▶️ Marco a thinned down iPad Pro. And so this actually has really good

⏹️ ▶️ Marco capabilities. And this is way higher end than I would have guessed. I never would have

⏹️ ▶️ Marco guessed that they would have put the new high-end chip, the A15, in the iPad mini

⏹️ ▶️ Marco update.

⏹️ ▶️ John You should have listened to last week’s episode because that was

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco one of the ideas of like, why

⏹️ ▶️ John is Apple making such a big initial order to the A15 of the A15 chip from their chip supplier?

⏹️ ▶️ John Maybe they just needed to order a bunch to get a low price, but the other possibility was like, maybe they’re putting an A15 into more

⏹️ ▶️ John stuff. Now, I don’t know how many of the iPad mini sells. Maybe it’s a drop in the bucket compared to the iPhone, but that was an

⏹️ ▶️ John open question based on the rumors. Was it going to be A14 or A15? And they did the weird thing in this presentation where

⏹️ ▶️ John like the new CPU is 40% more than such and such and GPU is

⏹️ ▶️ John X percent more than whatever, but they never said what chip was in it. And as soon as they didn’t say, I immediately

⏹️ ▶️ John thought it’s gotta be an A15 because if it was an A14, they would just say. Now them not saying because it’s an

⏹️ ▶️ John A15 is dumb in my opinion, because 20 minutes later, they’re gonna quote unquote unveil the A15

⏹️ ▶️ John with the new iPhones. Like we know it’s gonna be in the new iPhones. You just increment the number every year. It’s not

⏹️ ▶️ John rocket science. They should have just said it was an A15 and you’ll hear more about that chip later.

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco And

⏹️ ▶️ John it’s not like it’s unprecedented. They’ve done it before, where a couple of times in the past, some other device other

⏹️ ▶️ John than the iPhone has rolled out the new system on a chip, usually an iPad, before the phone.

⏹️ ▶️ John But anyway, it’s an A15. And so yeah, some of those extra A15s that they ordered or whatever are going into iPads.

⏹️ ▶️ John And if you are interested in an iPad mini, this is one you buy, because it’s not gonna be updated to an

⏹️ ▶️ John A16 next year. I’m pretty much guaranteeing you that, right? Unless they’ve really changed how they’re doing the mini. So at this

⏹️ ▶️ John moment, this Mini is an amazing machine. And it’s priced like one, it’s expensive. It’s like, it starts at 499 or whatever,

⏹️ ▶️ John but it is, like Margo said, it’s like a, it’s not even a Mini iPad Air, it’s

⏹️ ▶️ John better than a Mini iPad Air. It’s not quite a Mini Pro, but it’s kind of in between those two things. So this

⏹️ ▶️ John is a great little machine. And if you are a fan of this, like, you know, this

⏹️ ▶️ John is the time to buy. Just buy it now and be happy with your purchase for the next few years before the next one comes out.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah, it’s a fantastic looking thing. I’m, we are, we are, don’t tell them, we’re probably gonna get Adam one

⏹️ ▶️ Marco for Christmas. But, but it’s, the only thing is, they made it more expensive as well.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco You know, the iPad, even the iPad mini, you know, every iPad, once you spec it up, you’re gonna be near $1,000 probably,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco and this is no different. This is like, if you actually want like, the 256 gig

⏹️ ▶️ Marco model, and maybe if you want cellular, like that’s, that’s gonna be like seven or $800. Because

⏹️ ▶️ Marco now it starts at 500, which I think is a hundred more than before.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco But I think, given that they’re giving it high-end hardware now, I think

⏹️ ▶️ Marco that’s reasonable. We’ll see when it actually gets here. I’ll let you know

⏹️ ▶️ Marco after Christmas sometime. But it looks like a pretty awesome upgrade. And

⏹️ ▶️ Marco if you would have said, the iPad Mini is rumored to get an update, what do you think would be in it? I wouldn’t have guessed it would be this

⏹️ ▶️ Marco high-end. And I wouldn’t have even guessed it would have gotten the iPad Air design. I would have thought it would have been basically just like

⏹️ ▶️ Marco the cheap iPad, but smaller. And it’s not, they made it a pretty nice, like

⏹️ ▶️ Marco at least mid-range, if not somewhat high-end product. And that’s great.

⏹️ ▶️ John I wish I knew how many of these things they sold because I do wonder if the choice to go with an A15 was more

⏹️ ▶️ John of an economies of scale choice than anything else. I’m just like, let’s not complicate it.

⏹️ ▶️ John Let’s not, you know, like, let’s just put all, let’s make the biggest order of A15s that we can.

⏹️ ▶️ John And we know this, we don’t update this product that often. so it’s just simpler to let’s just go with A15 everywhere. Cause it doesn’t

⏹️ ▶️ John need it. No one is dying for an A15. If they had an A14, it would still be a great machine. But lo and

⏹️ ▶️ John behold, it gets the A15 cause they’ve just got a lot of them and it’s a great chip and it’s a great chip for an iPad of this

⏹️ ▶️ John size. Like you don’t need like an X variant to have, you know, a huge GPU for all the pixels that it’s pushing.

⏹️ ▶️ John It’s the beauty of the mini, right? Small size, small display. You can think of it as a

⏹️ ▶️ John really, really big iPhone 13 if you want to, only I guess without the phone part. but

⏹️ ▶️ John just having, kind of like the M1 being in everything, you know, being in the top end iPad and

⏹️ ▶️ John also all of the ARM Macs, it’s just nice to have one chip and to use it everywhere. And if your chip

⏹️ ▶️ John is really good, like the A15 is and like the M1 is, go for it. And everyone who gets

⏹️ ▶️ John that in any of their products, think of the M1. If you have one of those Macs, or if you have the iPad,

⏹️ ▶️ John everybody’s happy with that chip. No one feels like, oh, I got this $900, $999 MacBook Air, but it’s got a stupid iPad chip in it.

⏹️ ▶️ John And on the flip side, no one gets the iPad Pro and says, oh, it’s got this stupid Mac chip in it. Everybody likes it.

⏹️ ▶️ John They make good silicon, buy their

⏹️ ▶️ Casey products. You know, the chat room pointed out a little while ago, and I did not notice during the presentation, the

⏹️ ▶️ Casey volume buttons are now at the top, the same like plane as the touch ID button.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Oh, you’re

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, Casey right.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey I did not notice that. I think it’s because the pencil takes up the entire side of the darn thing.

⏹️ ▶️ John Oh yeah, I see it, the two little side. Yeah, I think you’re right. It’s gotta be the pencil. I did not notice that.

⏹️ ▶️ John I think that’s reasonable for the mini. Like, especially if you’re using it in landscape mode a lot, that’s the whole mystery

⏹️ ▶️ John of the iPad. And I think the ones that, I was gonna say the ones with Face ID, but this one doesn’t have Face ID, but it looks like it might,

⏹️ ▶️ John but it doesn’t. The ones that don’t have a home button on the front of it, there’s

⏹️ ▶️ John less of a sort of hardware opinion about what is the correct orientation, ignoring

⏹️ ▶️ John the logo on the back, which is gonna be covered by a case or whatever anyway. So in that

⏹️ ▶️ John scenario, having like, you say, oh, they’re on the top, but really they’re on the side. if you constantly

⏹️ ▶️ John use it in landscape. It’s a very confusing product. Anyway, I think it’s fine. I think it’s a perfectly reasonable compromise

⏹️ ▶️ John for the pencil, because I think the pencil is great and you definitely want the one that sticks to the side because it’s so much better than that stupid

⏹️ ▶️ John lightning harpoon thing.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Oh, a harpoon was generous. No, that was more like the really excited pencil.

⏹️ ▶️ John Unicorn horn, narwhal.

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco Like, it could be a little bit less crude. That’s

⏹️ ▶️ Marco much better. One thing I thought was really funny, though, about the iPad Mini is that they have the Face ID iPad

⏹️ ▶️ Marco generation design here, as you mentioned with how Face ID, but the rounded screen corners,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco the edge to edge screen in quotes, but the

⏹️ ▶️ Marco margins, like the bezels around the screen, seem to be about the same thickness as on all

⏹️ ▶️ Marco the large iPads. So when they shrink it down to this small screen size, it looks proportionally like a much thicker

⏹️ ▶️ Marco bezel. And I love, they kept saying, this beautiful edge to edge screen, and you look

⏹️ ▶️ Marco at this thing, and it’s so not edge to edge. And I think

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, Casey it looks

⏹️ ▶️ Marco good, but I wouldn’t have used that terminology over and over again while showing

⏹️ ▶️ Marco it on screen. And it’s clear, like, I think we’re gonna look at this in 10 years and we’re gonna laugh at how

⏹️ ▶️ Marco thick this bezel is.

⏹️ ▶️ John I mean, maybe, but like, I kind of feel like that the bezel serves

⏹️ ▶️ John a purpose on an iPad as a place for your fingers to go when you grip it. And even though, like,

⏹️ ▶️ John I don’t know if Apple agrees with that because they may just be like, we don’t care, we’re bringing the screen all the way the edge as soon as we can, because that’s an aptly thing

⏹️ ▶️ John to do. But if you, you know, if you believe in the idea of having

⏹️ ▶️ John some amount of place to grip it, that part should scale with the size of our fingers, not with the size

⏹️ ▶️ John of the screen. So keeping it the same size. Now, they probably kept the same size just again, because economies of scale

⏹️ ▶️ John and you know, similarities of parts and manufacturing and so on so forth, and maybe they will bring it all to the edge. But we said the same thing when

⏹️ ▶️ John they brought in remember from like the original iPad that had like an inch and a half around all sides to grab it.

⏹️ ▶️ John That was arguably much better for gripping, but it was a lot of wasted space. And when they went to this design,

⏹️ ▶️ John it was like, oh, there’s so much less room to grip and we have to add, you know, machine learning finger

⏹️ ▶️ John rejection. So your, you

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco know,

⏹️ ▶️ John so your thumb, remember that whole thing when they went to the, you know, so it knows that your thumb, that you’re not trying to press the

⏹️ ▶️ John button on the side of the screen, that you’re just grabbing it. Like it causes problems, but I think

⏹️ ▶️ John going all the way edge to edge will not necessarily make a better iPad. If anything, it will just make people

⏹️ ▶️ John start buying cases and they’ll grab by the case part. I guess that’s the path

⏹️ ▶️ John of naked robotic core. But I kind of like the idea, especially if this is gonna be an iPad that

⏹️ ▶️ John a kid might use, that you still have some sort of non-screen safe area on the edges to grab

⏹️ ▶️ John the thing.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Yep, no, this looks really good. It’s one of those things where I’m glad

⏹️ ▶️ Casey this exists even though it isn’t for me. And I feel kind of similar about the

⏹️ ▶️ Casey iPhone mini, which we’ll get to in a second. But I’m glad that there is more than just

⏹️ ▶️ Casey big and huge for iPads. I’m glad that there’s something

⏹️ ▶️ Casey small. And, and I have a couple of friends that, um, one is a professional pilot and a couple that are going

⏹️ ▶️ Casey to get their private pilot’s license. And they’re losing their minds over having a small iPad that’s modern, because I guess,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey you know, in the, in the context of a cockpit that it’s really, really convenient to have an iPad for various

⏹️ ▶️ Casey different things. But nevertheless, to have one that’s huge is a real pain. So they’re really

⏹️ ▶️ Casey super duper excited about this and I’m

⏹️ ▶️ John excited too. Speaking of the iPhone mini, I do wonder, uh, if Apple is,

⏹️ ▶️ John we’ll eventually start going towards the idea of an iPad mini pro, right?

⏹️ ▶️ John Cause the iPhone mini is not the iPhone mini pro. It is not a miniature version of the pro iPads. It’s a miniature

⏹️ ▶️ John version of the non pro pro iPhones, the miniature version of the non pro iPhones. Right. And so I

⏹️ ▶️ John was thinking of that for someone using it in a cockpit. One of the attributes of the pro iPads is they have the super

⏹️ ▶️ John duper, a very bright mini LED screen. It’s like more than twice as bright as this thing. And if you’re gonna

⏹️ ▶️ John use it in a sunny cockpit of an airplane, you’d probably want a screen that’s brighter than this one, but you can’t get

⏹️ ▶️ John it because they don’t sell a Pro Mini with that type of thing. Presumably Apple knows what

⏹️ ▶️ John the market for this looks like, but yeah, this has got an A15 in it, but a 500 nit screen, but the good pencil, but

⏹️ ▶️ John you know, not ProMotion and all. You know, it’s kind of, you know, it’s a very, it’s a little bit better than the iPad

⏹️ ▶️ John Air, but they’re close now. they’ve got the same design, the top end chip, you

⏹️ ▶️ John could add another 100 bucks or so to this and come up with an iPad mini pro.

⏹️ ▶️ John That would actually be pretty cool. But probably for the same reason they don’t make an iPhone mini pro,

⏹️ ▶️ John there’s just not enough demand for it. Who knows? But I think that tension continues

⏹️ ▶️ John to exist in Apple’s line where they will diversify in both size and features,

⏹️ ▶️ John but there’s always a little pocket where they say, you know what, we’re not making a pro and non-pro variant of

⏹️ ▶️ John what usually ends up being the small one, just because we think we’re diversified enough. If you really want the small size,

⏹️ ▶️ John you’re gonna deal with compromises, Otherwise, we have a good spread.

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Apple Watch Series 7

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⏹️ ▶️ Casey Moving on, Apple Watch. We had a little bit of discussion about watchOS 8 and I thought a

⏹️ ▶️ Casey new announcement, but maybe we knew this and I missed it. But they’re adding a cycling workout and fault

⏹️ ▶️ Casey detection, including better support, better algorithmic support for e-bikes and you know, how

⏹️ ▶️ Casey many calories you’re burning when you’re using an e-bike. They’re going to have memories and the photos app on watchOS 8,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey which is great. But what we all care about, of course is Apple Watch Series 7. I know

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Marco, you were celebrating that they don’t have the flat sides. I still like the flat

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, Marco sides. Sorry about that. Oh,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John thank God they didn’t do the flat

⏹️ ▶️ John sides. I just want to point out, but up to this point, our rumors that we went through last show were pretty much dead

⏹️ ▶️ John on for everything that was announced, but here things went off the rails

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco or onto the rails if you’re

⏹️ ▶️ John Marco.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah, I think, actually, besides the like screen size increase, I don’t

⏹️ ▶️ Marco think any of the other rumors about the Apple Watch came true. They were talking about possibly having more sensors.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco They were talking about obviously like the flat-sided design. And meanwhile, we

⏹️ ▶️ Marco have, it looks like we have no new sensors. We don’t have a flat-sided design, thank God. And then

⏹️ ▶️ Marco the things that were, the other things that were changed, like the faster charging, you know, the different like kind of bulkier MagSafe

⏹️ ▶️ Marco thing possibly. No one talked about that at all. Like that was not rumored. None of that stuff was rumored.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco But anyway, oh, and the production delay was rumored. So that’s the thing.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco These aren’t coming out until fall.

⏹️ ▶️ John Yeah, before you get to the design of this thing, did they ever mention what chip is in it? I searched

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco the website

⏹️ ▶️ John and I scripted a video.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco So here’s the thing. This is kind of a theme of this whole event. They

⏹️ ▶️ Marco only very briefly talked about the A15. Almost every comparison they did

⏹️ ▶️ Marco when talking about the A15 was not comparing it against the A14. It was comparing

⏹️ ▶️ Marco it either against like a two-year-old model of something else that uses like the A12 or something,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Or, they were saying it’s X percent faster than the leading competition. Which

⏹️ ▶️ Marco is like, you know, in the Android world. So, what I’m guessing here, I’m guessing

⏹️ ▶️ Marco the A15 is not a massive upgrade from the A14. Now, that being said, you know, these are

⏹️ ▶️ Marco still amazingly fast chips. There’s tons of headroom, um, but, but this doesn’t seem like it’s a year where

⏹️ ▶️ Marco the chip is taking a massive jump. And if it’s not taking a massive jump on the, you know, the main, like,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco A-series chip for the phone and iPad, I think a lot of that

⏹️ ▶️ Marco same core design is probably shared with other products, like whatever the Mac chip is gonna be this

⏹️ ▶️ Marco year and like possibly the watch CPUs. And so it wouldn’t surprise

⏹️ ▶️ Marco me if this is kind of like a battery life gaining year all around, if they just

⏹️ ▶️ Marco improve efficiency in a lot of areas and don’t necessarily spend a lot of that budget

⏹️ ▶️ Marco on performance.

⏹️ ▶️ John Well, the question is, does this have a different chip than the Series 6? or does it have exactly the same chip

⏹️ ▶️ Marco as the Series 6? Oh, that’s interesting. You know, that wouldn’t surprise me. They’ve done that before, where they’ve

⏹️ ▶️ Marco repeated the same chip in two watch models, I believe. And not the Series 1 and 2, which were actually the same year,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco but I believe, didn’t the 3, or no, I think the 4 to 5 didn’t change the chip or something like that. I

⏹️ ▶️ Marco believe they’ve done that before. Something like that. But anyway, yeah, that

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, Casey wouldn’t surprise me.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco But honestly, and I’m shocked that

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I’m saying this, but the Series 6 watch has been fast enough for me.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco It’s the first time an Apple watch has ever been fast enough for me. It’s the first time where like the CPU

⏹️ ▶️ Marco speed of the watch does not appear to be holding me back for the most part. Now what I’m doing development,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco other things hold me back, like the wireless debugging

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, Casey setup. Too soon, Marco, too soon. We’ll get to that some

⏹️ ▶️ Marco other day. But it doesn’t seem like, like in the past, the watch’s own processor being

⏹️ ▶️ Marco so incredibly low power has really slowed me down in development. but the Series 6,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco it finally doesn’t seem to be doing that. I’m able to do all sorts of stuff with SwiftUI and the interface that I think might

⏹️ ▶️ Marco be slow, and then I try it and it’s just not. So anyway, I don’t think the watch necessarily

⏹️ ▶️ Marco needs a faster CPU. What the watch always needs, always, always, always,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco is more efficiency. Not just to extend its own battery life, sometimes

⏹️ ▶️ Marco it needs that, but what it mostly needs it for is, in my opinion, to enable apps to do

⏹️ ▶️ Marco more. Everything you do on the Apple Watch as a developer is heavily throttled

⏹️ ▶️ Marco by the system. You have such incredibly low limits, like if you use more than a certain percentage of the CPU

⏹️ ▶️ Marco for a couple of seconds, it just kills your app. Like, you’re just out. There are so many limitations on what you can

⏹️ ▶️ Marco do with complications and with app backgrounding and stuff that you just get no time

⏹️ ▶️ Marco to do anything, or it’ll only let you update the complication 20 times in an hour or

⏹️ ▶️ Marco whatever. There’s all these limits all over the place to ensure

⏹️ ▶️ Marco they can get through the day power-wise, and anything that the watch can do to improve efficiency

⏹️ ▶️ Marco might lead to some of those limits getting lifted. And so, from a developer’s point of view, and from all of you as a user point

⏹️ ▶️ Marco of view, that’s kind of what you should want, because that changes what watch stuff can

⏹️ ▶️ Marco do. So, we’ll see what happens, but if they didn’t improve performance, that’s not necessarily

⏹️ ▶️ Marco a bad thing in this particular generation.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey You know, I was reasonably excited for the Series 7 and I

⏹️ ▶️ Casey don’t, I currently have a Series 6 because I’m a blatant consumer and

⏹️ ▶️ Casey believe in blatant consumerism when it comes to this stuff. But I love my Series 6. I like it a lot.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey I agree with what you were saying about speed as long as you’re not doing development. Pardon me while I go fetal.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey But nevertheless, my battery life is still not stupendous as I was

⏹️ ▶️ Casey whining about last episode. And so for battery life alone, I was I was interested in maybe

⏹️ ▶️ Casey getting a series seven. I am still interested, but there’s nothing about

⏹️ ▶️ Casey it that’s making me go, Oh, Oh, Oh, Oh, yes. That’s what I want in my life. And so

⏹️ ▶️ Casey what are the things that they’re trying to hang their hat on? Uh, they’re trying to hang their hat on the new screen. Uh, it’s

⏹️ ▶️ Casey still a little bit bulbous for lack of a better word. It’s not the flat sides that I maintain

⏹️ ▶️ Casey look cool, even though Marco is disgusted by them. Um, it is 20, The screen is 20% bigger

⏹️ ▶️ Casey than the Series 6, 50% bigger than the Series 3, God help us, we’re gonna talk about that in a minute.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey It has a less than two millimeter border, it’s 40% thinner than the Series 6,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey it has a wraparound

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, Marco effect

⏹️ ▶️ Marco on the- Wait, hold on, the watch is not 40% thinner, I don’t- The screen. I think the

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, Casey screen,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco yes, like the cover glass, the cover crystal is thinner. The watch looks like it’s actually about the same.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, Casey I think you’re right.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey And I think they said something about the charging thing, wart, whatever, that’s part of the

⏹️ ▶️ Casey watch. I think they said is actually a smidge bigger.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Blob is the official term, the charging blob.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Thank you, the charging blob, TM, is actually a little bit bigger, I think. Check my work on that,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey I might be wrong. But anyways, the screen has a wraparound effect on the display edges, which makes it look

⏹️ ▶️ Casey like the display is going, like, curving a little bit, even though it

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, John isn’t.

⏹️ ▶️ John Yeah, I didn’t understand that. Like, so, obviously this is not the flat design. This is the same design as all the other

⏹️ ▶️ John ARPA watches, and they did the same thing they do, have done every year where there’s been a quote unquote redesign, which is

⏹️ ▶️ John technically speaking, every, in car parlance, every panel is different. Every body panel

⏹️ ▶️ John is different, but practically speaking, it still looks like a 911, right? Like it’s the same watch, right?

⏹️ ▶️ John It is the same look, but it is different. And, but part of that is the glass on the top

⏹️ ▶️ John of it. Like if you look at it from the side, you can see the glass, because the glass itself has a little bit of a dome

⏹️ ▶️ John on it. Now the difference between, and that has been true, I think for all the watches. Like if you looked at it in a profile, you could see

⏹️ ▶️ John the dome of the glass or the crystal or whatever. But in the past, what that has meant is, okay, there’s

⏹️ ▶️ John that little dome, but the only part of that that we light up, if you look at it head on, is the flat part.

⏹️ ▶️ John And in this watch, it seems like they’re trying to say, we don’t just light up the flat part. We also light up the parts that

⏹️ ▶️ John curve towards the edges.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey I don’t think that’s true. So we’re recording the night of the bro of the keynote and we

⏹️ ▶️ Casey don’t have all our facts straight. You could say that this episode was a little bit accidental, But I believe

⏹️ ▶️ Casey what they said was that because of the way the display

⏹️ ▶️ Casey or nothing Excuse me not the display because of the way the like Crystal at the top is

⏹️ ▶️ Casey it refracts and again that term might be wrong. I might be using that incorrectly, but it refracts

⏹️ ▶️ Casey a little bit of the light such that it Appears that it’s being lit up on the like

⏹️ ▶️ Casey curved portion, but it is not in actuality being lit up there it’s

⏹️ ▶️ Casey just a basically an optical illusion. That was what I took

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, John from

⏹️ ▶️ John it. I think it has to be lit up there because if you look at it head on, you’ll see there’s like the amount that’s not lit

⏹️ ▶️ John up when you look at it head on, in which case there’s no like sort of looking from the side refraction going, you’re just looking at top view.

⏹️ ▶️ John There’s the amount that’s not lit up is too thin to encompass the entire radius, it seems to me.

⏹️ ▶️ John Again, not having seen it in person, it’s hard to tell in the pictures, but it seems to me that like, like even

⏹️ ▶️ John the screen itself could continue to be flat, a flat plane that lights up, But because that flat plane

⏹️ ▶️ John goes, I don’t know, I mean, they also say it’s closer to the glass too, so it couldn’t be like, you know.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Well, so here’s what I think is going on. First of all, what we said a minute ago about it being 40% thinner

⏹️ ▶️ Marco is not right, or at least the way I interpreted that. The thickness of the cover

⏹️ ▶️ Marco glass slash sapphire, which they call the crystal, because that’s the watch term, but it’s either glass or sapphire depending on the model.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco The thickness of that, like as in like the height of it off the case, is not only

⏹️ ▶️ Marco not thinner, it’s actually thicker. They even brag about how it’s actually thicker to make it stronger. Now I think,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I don’t think it’s sticking up as far. I think the way it got thicker is by going down towards the screen.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco But what’s 40% thinner is the width of the bezel around the screen. So

⏹️ ▶️ Marco like if you’re looking at it head on, like the margin around the screen, that is what’s 40% thinner.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco The screen, the crystal itself is not thinner, and in fact has apparently grown

⏹️ ▶️ Marco downwards to basically reduce the distance between the screen and the glass. Now, what

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Casey is saying about the way it refracts around the side is probably right. Watches do this. There’s

⏹️ ▶️ Marco actually not that many of them, but if you know about the… Is it Recense or Ressance?

⏹️ ▶️ Marco It’s this high-end, oil-filled watch brand. Not all of them are oil-filled, but their high-end model is.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco There’s also… Throughout time, there’s been a few other watches in the watch world that have oil-filled cases.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I actually own one by Sin. It’s actually this wonderful old diving watch. And what’s interesting about

⏹️ ▶️ Marco oil-filled watch cases is that there is… the way the oil in the middle

⏹️ ▶️ Marco of the case refracts light is different than the way air gaps do between the dial and the crystal.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco And it basically does this. It looks just like this. The side view on the Apple Watch page with the,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco like, oily-looking screen. Basically, if you look at it at an angle, it looks

⏹️ ▶️ Marco like the, you know, in the case of the actual watch, the dial and the hands,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco or in the case of the Apple Watch, the screen contents, it looks like it is like painted on

⏹️ ▶️ Marco the surface of the glass as opposed to being on a screen that’s a couple of millimeters below it.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco What I’m guessing they’ve done here is that they did make the crystal bigger, thicker, they put

⏹️ ▶️ Marco it down towards the screen and eliminated the gap between the screen and the crystal, most likely. That

⏹️ ▶️ Marco would probably create this same effect when paired with a crystal with the right shape,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco which it looks like they have done. So I’m guessing that this will from like from

⏹️ ▶️ Marco the side, I think it actually will look like this. It will look like it goes almost edge to edge. Now

⏹️ ▶️ Marco the watch face they’ve chosen to show this off, almost like the warping numbers around the side, which honestly I think is hideous,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco but it does show up the effect well. I think that they’ve obviously designed this watch face to

⏹️ ▶️ Marco not go all the way to the edge. Like it does it goes away the edge of the screen,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco but this face is designed with a black margin around the numbers as a design

⏹️ ▶️ Marco element that happens to coincide with the edge of the screen. So it makes it look even

⏹️ ▶️ Marco better than it is, but I still think it’s gonna look pretty awesome and it’s gonna probably have much much better

⏹️ ▶️ Marco visibility at deep angles and if they’ve done this trick that I think they might have done,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco it should for whatever it’s worth also make it more visible underwater.

⏹️ ▶️ John So my question is, if the screen continues to be a flat plane,

⏹️ ▶️ John and it goes as far to the edge as Apple’s pictures make it seem like it goes,

⏹️ ▶️ John does that mean the screen, the light up part is farther away from the surface of the crystal as well?

⏹️ ▶️ John Because again, if you have like a dome shape, and you have a flat piece, you can’t push that flat piece against the dome shape,

⏹️ ▶️ John unless you start curving the edges of it, right?

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Well, the bottom of the crystal is presumably flat. Like the inside part of the crystal is flat.

⏹️ ▶️ John So it’s like the crystal is filled, like it’s, it is a dome shape, but it is completely solid glass

⏹️ ▶️ John or sapphire or whatever. And it has a flat bottom. And that’s what the screen is shoved up against? Most likely, yes.

⏹️ ▶️ John All right. That that makes more sense. Like I don’t, I’ve never actually like cracked one of these open or seen the eye fixer thing where they actually like saw

⏹️ ▶️ John the thing and happens. They show me where the light up part is because I’m still just envisioning it as like a flat

⏹️ ▶️ John screen but then like a, you know, a hollow dome that’s on top of it. If it’s, if it is a solid thing with a flat bottom,

⏹️ ▶️ John this makes way more sense. And yes, then it totally is refracting to the side or whatever, but then

⏹️ ▶️ John when you would head on, but I mean, the main point is someone had a good tweet about this. I just grabbed the image and put it on our

⏹️ ▶️ John show. It’s, I guess I’ll grab the, the Twitter link as well. Saying that the series

⏹️ ▶️ John three, which we will get to in a moment now looks like a CSS error on Apple’s website because you see the,

⏹️ ▶️ John you see the series six, which looks like an Apple watch with a big black border around

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco it. You see the series

⏹️ ▶️ John seven, which is like an Apple watch with no border. And you see the series three, which is like an Apple watch. unfortunately, someone put this

⏹️ ▶️ John rectangular photo in the middle of the screen somehow. And it doesn’t look correct.

⏹️ ▶️ John It doesn’t look right. And really, I think this screen

⏹️ ▶️ John is the most important aspect of the Series 7, as far as I’m concerned, just because

⏹️ ▶️ John it finally gets to the point where I feel like you’ve filled the watch face with screen.

⏹️ ▶️ John And maybe you’re like, I didn’t feel cramped. I don’t need more complications. I didn’t need to see more data.

⏹️ ▶️ John Even if you don’t care about any of those things, I think just aesthetically speaking and sort of like Johnny

⏹️ ▶️ John Ive, like essence of the product speaking, now it finally looks like what I would imagine they wanted

⏹️ ▶️ John it to look like from the beginning. If you remember the original Apple Watch designs, all the watch faces intentionally like

⏹️ ▶️ John essentially had black bodies to them so you couldn’t see that terrible edge. Like you wouldn’t see Oh, I have a

⏹️ ▶️ John rounded rectangle with a non-rounded rectangle inset far into the middle of it. But if

⏹️ ▶️ John you just make everything in the background black because it’s OLED, you don’t notice that. But as soon as they got the rounded

⏹️ ▶️ John corners said we’re gonna light up the whole screen and now finally when you light up the Whole screen you essentially light up

⏹️ ▶️ John again judging by Apple’s marketing pictures the whole surface of the watch and there I think

⏹️ ▶️ John you’ve essentially achieved what you want and now you can vary the size of that and everything and you’re not like burning any Space

⏹️ ▶️ John on you know empty black area on the watch I’m and we’ll have to see one in person to see

⏹️ ▶️ John if this refracting effect is weird or whatever But I really like this design. I’m

⏹️ ▶️ John I think I’m gonna kind of with Marco I don’t really care about what watches I like, but I’m kind of glad that they stuck with

⏹️ ▶️ John the 9-11 design and just like, look, it looks like an Apple watch. It is slightly refined.

⏹️ ▶️ John It is better in a bunch of ways, but it is still the iconic design. If and when they

⏹️ ▶️ John come out with a new design that sort of radically changes from this,

⏹️ ▶️ John I think it will be, I’ll be happy when it happens, but one more year of this design

⏹️ ▶️ John is perfectly fine with me because I think this watch looks really good.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah, I honestly like I don’t I have yet to think of I mean,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco look, I’m not an industrial designer by any means, but I have yet to think of how they could give the watch straight

⏹️ ▶️ Marco sides and have it look better than what they are what they have already accomplished with the curved sides.

⏹️ ▶️ John It was half if it was half the thickness. It would look cool with flat sides for sure.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Maybe yeah, it would be it would be possible, but also keep in mind the entire strap

⏹️ ▶️ Marco ecosystem has all been designed with like this curved blobby

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John look. I

⏹️ ▶️ John mean, obviously half the thickness is not going to be next year. It’ll be like many years in the future. You know, but they stick with this iconic

⏹️ ▶️ John design. It’s fine. But speaking of straps, that’s another another advantage of this design. As far as I’m aware,

⏹️ ▶️ John you can still use all the existing bands.

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco That’s right. Watches. Yeah, because they said like it said,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco they basically they barely changed the exterior dimensions. So the exterior dimensions are effectively

⏹️ ▶️ Marco the same according to them. We’ll see how it plays out in practice. One other thing worth noting, silver

⏹️ ▶️ Marco as a as a case color is gone. Like, except unless you go steel, but like the silver

⏹️ ▶️ Marco aluminum that used to be kind of like the default color of an

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, Casey Apple Watch.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey I totally miss that.

⏹️ ▶️ John Just like the iPad mini, no silver in the mini, no silver in the watch.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yes, like the low end products no longer have silver.

⏹️ ▶️ John So what color is this? I’m looking at the picture and like, you know, there’s black, something that looks like silver, probably

⏹️ ▶️ John isn’t called silver. No, maybe

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco that’s blue.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco It’s starlight is the closest thing, which is like a very light gold.

⏹️ ▶️ John Starlight seems like it’s the new space gray that there’s a thing called starlight

⏹️ ▶️ John that is a different color in every product that has that color, but it all kind of looks grayish.

⏹️ ▶️ John Like sort of, it’s, this starlight looks a lot like silver.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah, but it’s like, it’s silver with like a little bit of pink and copper blended

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John in. Like it’s like,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco it looks like True Tone kind of went wrong from silver.

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco It’s like, all

⏹️ ▶️ John these things are like really testing your color receptors. I don’t know, this is something they tend not to do. They just, you know, for,

⏹️ ▶️ John they give you a color blindness test, especially if you’re a boy in school or whatever, getting your eyes tested,

⏹️ ▶️ John they wanna make, because color blindness is more prevalent in boys than girls.

⏹️ ▶️ John And so they give you this test, can you tell the difference between red and green or whatever, what numbers is it? But what they don’t do is,

⏹️ ▶️ John can you tell like this mild fuchsia from this slightly more purpley

⏹️ ▶️ John fuchsia? Like no one ever cares about those nuances and no, I don’t wanna get into, do you see the same green as I do?

⏹️ ▶️ John But like subtle variations in color, I think Apple’s color choices, but these things like starlight are getting

⏹️ ▶️ John to the point where there’s probably large sections of the population that literally can’t tell starlight from silver.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah, but I, probably, but I think it’s interesting. I mean, because, you know, they’ve had these same colors,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco you know, the kind of, you know, basic silver, space gray, whatever, whatever that means each year.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco They’ve had these basic colors for a long time. And the fact that they’ve thrown silver out with the

⏹️ ▶️ Marco low-end products this year, like same thing, the iPhone 13 and 13 mini do not offer silver. The Pro line does, but the 13 and 13 mini do not.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco And neither does the Apple Watch Series 7 in aluminum, like it’s, or the iPad mini. Like that’s,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I think that’s very interesting. And one thing I do like about these new colors

⏹️ ▶️ Marco though, across all these products, is that they seem to have made them more bold,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco especially like the red is much more red and bold. More saturated, you mean, right? Yeah,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco yeah, more saturated and a little bit darker, which I think is nice, because the

⏹️ ▶️ Marco design over the last couple of years has been pretty pastel. Like I recently, I finally

⏹️ ▶️ Marco at some point recently saw the new IMAX in person in an Apple store.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco And I was surprised how incredibly pastel they all were. And I honestly

⏹️ ▶️ Marco didn’t think any of the colors would be right for me if I was buying one.

⏹️ ▶️ John Well, the front of the IMAX are pastel, but the back they went bold like these watches. Like the back of the blue

⏹️ ▶️ John IMAX is not powder blue. It is deep blue like this watch. Same thing with the back of the red one, the back of the orange

⏹️ ▶️ John one. The fronts are all very pale and pastel, which I think was sort of intentional to not be distracting.

⏹️ ▶️ John But I think the IMAX, like in total surface area, the IMAX are

⏹️ ▶️ John also bold colors, just not on the side that you look at.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Fair enough. But yeah, ultimately, like the colors in general look pretty good

⏹️ ▶️ Marco in the aluminum this year. And I think, am I correct that the titanium and steel colors

⏹️ ▶️ Marco did not change with this generation?

⏹️ ▶️ John Yeah, I’m just looking at them in the keynote where they have a lineup of, they have five watches in the

⏹️ ▶️ John keynote with various colors on them. I almost feel like Apple is sort of on its way

⏹️ ▶️ John but not quite willing to embrace the, everything’s an automotive analogy, the car

⏹️ ▶️ John thing. So everyone knows when you buy a car, rarely do you buy a car and get to choose a color

⏹️ ▶️ John like purple or pink, right? They all have stupid names like Starlight, right? They’re all, even the white

⏹️ ▶️ John is not called white. It’s called like, you know. Pearl. Opalescent pearl

⏹️ ▶️ John white or something, whatever. There’s always some fancy name for any color. And so we’ve got

⏹️ ▶️ John Space Gray, which is a fanciful name. We’ve got Starlight, and we’ve got Pink and Purple. Why

⏹️ ▶️ John not call, why don’t you call Pink and Purple something too?

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Oh, interestingly, by the way, the watch does not come in Space Gray anymore either. It comes in Midnight, which looks like a

⏹️ ▶️ Marco very dark grayish blue. So it’s close, like Midnight and Starlight

⏹️ ▶️ Marco are close to Space Gray and Silver, but they’re subtly not. Midnight is

⏹️ ▶️ John darker than any space gray has ever been for sure.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Well in the pictures, it’s you know, it’s hard to tell but they also offer something just called blue, which is

⏹️ ▶️ Marco significantly lighter looking than last year’s blue series 6. So we’ll

⏹️ ▶️ Marco see how this goes. I we might have to see these in

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John person.

⏹️ ▶️ John And by the way, red red ring on the what is it called the

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco digital crown?

⏹️ ▶️ John Yep. It’s right

⏹️ ▶️ Marco red and all of them. Oh, that’s interesting. Even even the non-cellular ones.

⏹️ ▶️ John Oh, I don’t I’m just saying like the blue one has a red ring. The silver slash starlight one has a red ring.

⏹️ ▶️ John The navy slash midnight one has a red ring.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey I would guess the product shots are just all indicating cellular, like Marco was alluding to.

⏹️ ▶️ John I know, but it’s just not color coordinated, I feel like.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah, and also, I mean, and I know they have to have a ring there. It doesn’t

⏹️ ▶️ Marco have to be red, but they have to have a ring to electrically separate the middle of the crown, which is used

⏹️ ▶️ Marco for the heart sensing, and the outside of the crown. And so it has to be electrically, non-conductive boundary between

⏹️ ▶️ Marco those two. But I do kind of think the red ring does not look good anymore.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Like with most of the colors that they offer, I think that should just be black on everything now. Like I think the red doesn’t

⏹️ ▶️ Marco look good.

⏹️ ▶️ John It looks good on the silver one, I think.

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco Occasionally, but

⏹️ ▶️ John yeah. Like if the color is neutral, if the watch color is neutral, the red accent looks good. If the watch itself has a color like the blue

⏹️ ▶️ John one, the red seems like it’s competing. And the

⏹️ ▶️ Marco red one- They no longer sell a neutral colored watch. They do, the

⏹️ ▶️ John Starlight I feel like is neutral. I don’t think so. We’ll see how it looks in person. I can’t tell.

⏹️ ▶️ John I’m looking at my True Tone screen here and at night with weird yellow lighting, I don’t know what it’s doing to

⏹️ ▶️ John these colors. Yeah, we’d definitely have to see these in person. But anyway, this is not new. The red ring thing has been, I think it was

⏹️ ▶️ John the same for previous generations as well.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey All right, so a couple other things to mention with regard to the watch. First of all, it is available

⏹️ ▶️ Casey later this fall, which we don’t know anything more than that. Additionally, they

⏹️ ▶️ Casey touted all-day battery life, which I can tell you on my Series 6, it’s not really fricking true, but

⏹️ ▶️ Casey whatever. 33% faster charging. And I might have these wrong. This happened very

⏹️ ▶️ Casey quickly and I was trying to take notes. So again, check my math on this. But I believe they said it

⏹️ ▶️ Casey would go from 0% charge to 80% in 45 minutes. And it was something

⏹️ ▶️ Casey like eight minutes was enough to do sleep tracking or something like that. Again,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, Marco I- Yeah,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco it was eight minutes of charging for eight hours of sleep tracking.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey There you go. And it has apparently a USB-C charger.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Which by the way, Apple has already sold USB-C Apple Watch chargers for a long time. Just they were like, they had

⏹️ ▶️ Marco these little short ones for traveling, which has actually been great. But no one ever knew about them or

⏹️ ▶️ Marco bought them. But this is presumably a USB power delivery charger, which is probably going to be faster wattage.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Right, and so I don’t know, it was unclear to me if the puck portion was different. I thought

⏹️ ▶️ Casey they implied that it was, but again, maybe I got that wrong. So it’ll charge faster, which is nice.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey I mean, I wouldn’t say that I personally feel like it charges too slowly in the Series 6, but certainly faster

⏹️ ▶️ Casey charging is better, especially if you’re trying to do sleep tracking. They said they’re going to have a lot of new colors

⏹️ ▶️ Casey for existing bands. They did explicitly say that it will be compatible with existing bands.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey And hey, guess what, Marco? Great news. If you’re looking for a watch that’s super cheap, your

⏹️ ▶️ Casey favorite, the Series 3 is only 200 bucks. Oh my God. How

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, John is this still a thing?

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Oh

⏹️ ▶️ John my God. I mean, I know we’re going to about to complain about the Series 3, but the SE is still a still the same too, right?

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah, that’s the thing. Like, so last year, when the Series 3, which was super old

⏹️ ▶️ Marco last year, when they dropped that price to $199,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco and they introduced the SE at $279 last year, everybody said, okay, well,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco it sucks that we have to have the Series 3 for one more year, but at least next year, which is now,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco they’ll drop the Series 3 finally, and then they’ll drop the price of the SE from $279 to $199.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Well, guess what happened this year? Nothing. They kept the Series 3 at $199, and they

⏹️ ▶️ Marco kept the SE at $279. No change. I have

⏹️ ▶️ John to be

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco clear, this is not like

⏹️ ▶️ John the iPhone SE, where there was a new phone called iPhone SE that was better than the old one called iPhone SE. Isn’t that what

⏹️ ▶️ John they did in the

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco phone line? Right, and

⏹️ ▶️ Marco the Apple Watch SE is basically a Series 5 minus the always on screen. Like hardware wise, it’s

⏹️ ▶️ Marco effectively that. It’s like a lower end, oh, and I think minus the EKG support as well. So it’s like, it’s

⏹️ ▶️ Marco effectively like a feature cut series 5 to make it more like the series 4, but with the series 5

⏹️ ▶️ Marco guts. So, it’s not, the SE is a totally fine watch.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco But there’s no reason, like, the SE was seemingly built to be inexpensive. So,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco obviously the long term plan, I hope, is to do exactly what we expected to happen today.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Which was drop it to 200 bucks and get rid of the 3 and call it a day and keep it in line up for a while.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco but that didn’t happen today for unknown and unclear reasons.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey I’m so sorry.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco And the Series 3, the reason why we’re upset, it’s not because like, oh, we’re making fun of old things. It’s because

⏹️ ▶️ Marco the Series 3 is not a good product in 2021. It also wasn’t a good product

⏹️ ▶️ Marco in 2020. It was a fine product when it came out in 2017 or something, 2018, like when it came out,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco it was fine. But the Series 3 now is

⏹️ ▶️ Marco very difficult for both Apple and developers to support. If you remember, there were

⏹️ ▶️ Marco a lot of changes from three to four. Three to four is when they changed to the new industrial design with the more rounded corners,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco the more edge-to-edge screen, and that added a whole bunch

⏹️ ▶️ Marco of watch face changes that were made possible by it having a much faster 64-bit

⏹️ ▶️ Marco processor and much more RAM and much more storage space. The Apple Watch Series 3

⏹️ ▶️ Marco experience of ownership today is terrible. Apple Watch Series 3 owners, like you have to like

⏹️ ▶️ Marco unload your watch to do a software update because there’s not enough space on a Series 3

⏹️ ▶️ Marco to download and install a software update. Like that’s how bad the experience is. The Series 3,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco it cannot use any of the modern watch faces. It cannot use color complications. Anything that includes the word infograph on its

⏹️ ▶️ Marco watch face is not available on that watch. There’s not enough RAM to do anything. And

⏹️ ▶️ Marco the 38 millimeter size, the entry-level size, Which, personally,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco a separate discussion is like, Apple hasn’t made a watch that size since then,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco and so for people who need or want a smaller watch, the 40 millimeter one that’s existed

⏹️ ▶️ Marco since then is good, that’s the one I wear, but it’s certainly bigger, and so

⏹️ ▶️ Marco there is, they made everything bigger and never really refilled a small one, but anyway, as a developer,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco supporting that screen size is very, very hard, because it’s way smaller, way

⏹️ ▶️ Marco more cramped than the 40 millimeter watch screen space wise, because not only did

⏹️ ▶️ Marco the watch itself get bigger when it went from 38 to 40, but the screen margin got way smaller. And

⏹️ ▶️ Marco so you get a way bigger screen with the 40 millimeter series four, five, and six in SE than you do

⏹️ ▶️ Marco with the series three. So keeping around the series three is not just like, oh, the next

⏹️ ▶️ Marco one up is 20% faster. Like the jump from three to four was a huge jump in

⏹️ ▶️ Marco both hardware specs of just, you know, CPU and RAM, as well as the practical effect

⏹️ ▶️ Marco of having to try to support that old version in UI design, in apps,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco and for Apple with the OS. And so the fact that they’re selling it now, still, means

⏹️ ▶️ Marco that WatchOS 8 not only couldn’t drop it because they were selling it last year, but this also means that WatchOS 9

⏹️ ▶️ Marco next year probably can’t drop support for the Series 3 either. And neither can any of us who run apps for it. And

⏹️ ▶️ Marco that sucks for both Apple and all developers out there. And frankly, everyone who buys

⏹️ ▶️ Marco one of these watches today, because it’s a terrible product to be buying new in 2021. If you

⏹️ ▶️ Marco still have a Series 3 and it still works for you, great. But to be buying it new

⏹️ ▶️ Marco in 2021 and to expect it to be an okay experience two or three years from

⏹️ ▶️ Marco now, let alone even just now, I think it’s setting people up for failure and

⏹️ ▶️ Marco for crappy experiences and a crappy opinion of Apple. And that’s, this is a product that’s so

⏹️ ▶️ Marco old and so low end by today’s standards, they shouldn’t be selling it at all. And if they can’t sell

⏹️ ▶️ Marco the Apple Watch SE for a cheaper price, I still think they should still stop selling the Series 3

⏹️ ▶️ Marco because it is not a good product to be selling right now. Steven

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Pollack You know, I agree with basically everything you said, but I would hope and

⏹️ ▶️ Casey I would guess that if they’re still going to sell this seemingly

⏹️ ▶️ Casey ancient watch, that hopefully they would do something on their end to make the

⏹️ ▶️ Casey experience less crummy. Like maybe they would do some optimizations in the OS to make it

⏹️ ▶️ Casey faster. Maybe they would make the OS smaller so you don’t have to unload everything on your watch in order to do a

⏹️ ▶️ Casey software update. Again, I’m not really arguing with anything you’re saying. I can only hope

⏹️ ▶️ Casey and assume that there has been work put in to make it better, but who really knows?

⏹️ ▶️ Casey And I still agree

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, John with you. I wouldn’t assume that. Yeah, no,

⏹️ ▶️ John I’ve been working on old products like that. I mean, what I would pitch for the people people listening

⏹️ ▶️ John to this is the SE is only 80 bucks more. Right? So just buy a knockoff band from Amazon

⏹️ ▶️ John for way less money

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco than

⏹️ ▶️ John Apple charges and save money for an extra month and just get the SE.

⏹️ ▶️ John It’s like Marco has already outlined. It’s so much better a product than the Series 3 and the prices are close

⏹️ ▶️ John enough that you should just wait a little longer, get a cheap band from Amazon and get the SE

⏹️ ▶️ John instead.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah, cause not only is it so much better in lots of ways, it will also last longer because

⏹️ ▶️ Marco it doesn’t have such ancient hardware. Like for 80 bucks more, you get, I think, two

⏹️ ▶️ Marco or three year old better hardware. Like it’s a pretty big jump in hardware

⏹️ ▶️ Marco specs and it’s way nicer to use because it’s so much faster and has the more modern screen, supports

⏹️ ▶️ Marco all the more modern watch faces and complications and everything else. So it’s just so much better in all those ways. Plus

⏹️ ▶️ Marco it will last you longer in software support and in performance.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey All right, well, I’m sorry everyone about Series 3, but you know, here we are.


⏹️ ▶️ Casey They did a little bit with J Blanik with regard to fitness plus. I’ve been using fitness plus a fair bit

⏹️ ▶️ Casey over the last few months, and I really like it a lot. It’s certainly not for everyone, but I quite like it.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Um, it’s joining 15 new countries later this fall. They will continue to do workouts only

⏹️ ▶️ Casey in English, or at least that’s what they implied, but they will subtitle in six languages. Uh, there will, there will be

⏹️ ▶️ Casey new Pilates workouts, new guided meditations. Uh, there will be workouts to

⏹️ ▶️ Casey quote, get you ready for snow season quotes. And then they did something

⏹️ ▶️ Casey which was probably the smarter thing to do, but it is not what I wanted them to do. They are now

⏹️ ▶️ Casey going to do group workouts and they specifically said it is powered by SharePlay, which is delayed.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey But they said you can work out with up to 32 people at once and

⏹️ ▶️ Casey do this remotely. Unfortunately, they made no mention of doing anything like I want to do, which

⏹️ ▶️ Casey is Aaron and I working out on the same TV, doing the same

⏹️ ▶️ Casey workout at the same time on the same TV. That’s what I want to do. And they don’t seem to care about that. They want you to buy

⏹️ ▶️ Casey your own iPad or television or phone

⏹️ ▶️ John or what have you. But I buy a second Apple TV, a second television. It’s like having two Xboxes in the house and playing Halo.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Exactly. So I still think this is neat. And I know a lot of people that don’t do Apple Fitness

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Plus workouts but do other kinds of workouts, like Beachbody workouts, while simultaneously on Zoom

⏹️ ▶️ Casey or Teams or what have you to cheer each other on and so on and so forth. That’s not personally for me, but

⏹️ ▶️ Casey I know a lot of people that do it. And so I think this is a very good idea. I think it’s a, it’s a clever

⏹️ ▶️ Casey use of share play. Unfortunately, it doesn’t fix the problem that I have, but you You know, you can’t win them all.

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iPhone 13, 13 Mini

⏹️ ▶️ Casey At about 135, so about 35 minutes into the show, we got the

⏹️ ▶️ Casey iPhone and this is presented by Kyan Drance. So we start with the iPhone 13. It

⏹️ ▶️ Casey has a smaller notch with the front-facing camera mounted way to the left. And

⏹️ ▶️ Casey according to Twitter, although the notch is not as wide, it may be

⏹️ ▶️ Casey taller? Question

⏹️ ▶️ John mark? It’s hard to tell from the photo. needs to find whatever the specs are they give the case makers or

⏹️ ▶️ John screen protector makers, whatever. It’s plausible. If it is taller, it’s taller by a very, very tiny

⏹️ ▶️ John amount, maybe a fraction of a millimeter. It’s just interesting if they did actually end up making it taller. It

⏹️ ▶️ John doesn’t really make that much of a difference, though.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I didn’t notice it being taller. When I ran the Xcode simulator right before the show, I did notice it being narrower.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco You can see more in the status bar area. But I don’t think it’s meaningfully, if any, taller.

⏹️ ▶️ John I was kind of surprised that they’d mention that it was narrower in the keynote, because it’s the type of thing that Apple sometimes

⏹️ ▶️ John just doesn’t mention, which is assume you’ll notice, because they don’t want to draw attention to the notch, but they did, they said, hey, it’s a narrower notch, isn’t that

⏹️ ▶️ John great? Like, yeah, that’s cool.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Yep. The colors on this, I’m kind of jumping ahead a little bit, the colors, I’m really digging

⏹️ ▶️ Casey on the colors. They have a nice, like, what is it, like a rose goldy pinky one, the

⏹️ ▶️ Casey blue, I don’t remember the actual terms for the colors, but the blue looks really, really nice.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, Marco Is it just blue? It’s called

⏹️ ▶️ Marco pink, blue, midnight and starlight, just like last time, it says space green, silver, midnight and starlight. So yeah, pink,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco blue, midnight starlight and product red.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey And wow, was that product red, really freaking red. That red looks awesome. It does look good.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey I’m being told from Jelly that it’s Sierra blue. Was that the pro that

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, Marco was Sierra blue actually? Only the pro is being called Sierra blue. Okay, okay, thank you. The

⏹️ ▶️ Marco regular like mini and 13 are just being called blue.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Gotcha,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, Marco okay. For some reason. Anyways. I don’t know

⏹️ ▶️ Casey why. The two lenses on the camera are diagonal instead of vertically oriented.

⏹️ ▶️ John which I think looks better. One question about the camera thing, and we’ll talk more about this with the Pros,

⏹️ ▶️ John is the little plateau that they’re on bigger, and do they stick out more overall from the phone?

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I couldn’t quite tell with the non-Pro models. Certainly,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco we’ll get to the Pro later, but when they showed the Pro, they leaned way into

⏹️ ▶️ Marco how giant the camera plateau is. Like, they’re like, look, this is just gonna be what we’re talking about the whole time.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Like, the way they shot it, like, with the video, almost like it was a mountain that they were approaching. Like

⏹️ ▶️ Marco they just, I think the camera area on these phones is going to look massive

⏹️ ▶️ Marco on pretty much all of them, and especially the pros. And I think they’re just leaning way into that

⏹️ ▶️ Marco and just saying, yeah, you know what, this is why we’re all here, isn’t it? Like, you don’t care that

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John we made the CPU faster.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco You don’t care that we have new colors. You care about the camera, right? Well, here, we’re gonna give you the camera,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco really, really big.

⏹️ ▶️ John I mean, you would have thought from the intro video where they’re doing CG flybys of the phone, and

⏹️ ▶️ John again, this is more true of the Pro, you would have thought that they were introducing a new camera, because it was like all the flybys were flying around the camera.

⏹️ ▶️ John It’s like, oh, and by the way, there’s a phone attached to this camera. I mean,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco isn’t that kind of the case?

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco Yeah, seriously.

⏹️ ▶️ John A little bit, the camera is super important, but I mean, mostly because we

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco already know- Well, especially this year.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Like, it seemed like this year also, like most of the improvements this year to the iPhone

⏹️ ▶️ Marco seem to be camera improvements. It seems like the improvements to the rest of the product line are not

⏹️ ▶️ Marco nearly as significant.

⏹️ ▶️ John Well, they’re harder to demo. I mean, we’ll get to ProMotion in a little bit for the pros, but you can’t really demo that in a 30 frame

⏹️ ▶️ John per second video on the web. Speaking of the small notch, I’m looking at the video where

⏹️ ▶️ John they actually show a, it’s not a screen protector, they’re trying to say like, oh, and whatever the, what

⏹️ ▶️ John do they call the thing on top of the screen? Do they call it a crystal? Whatever, the protective

⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey layer. Oh, shoot, the ceramic shield, I believe is what

⏹️ ▶️ John they called it. So they show that sort of like landing on the phone, but it looks a lot like a screen protector does. And you’ll

⏹️ ▶️ John notice in the ceramic shield, there’s a little cutout for the earpiece speaker that as we mentioned

⏹️ ▶️ John in the last show is shoved way to the top. So that is apparently where the speaker is. It

⏹️ ▶️ John is very close to the top of this phone. And so I would, and part of the reason I’m asking about

⏹️ ▶️ John the camera bump is I was saying last week, oh, be careful if you buy a case that has a lip over it because the lip might partially cover

⏹️ ▶️ John that speaker. And it’s very easy to accidentally blunt the sound from these tiny speakers if you cover any

⏹️ ▶️ John part of them, right? But if the camera plateau on the back is

⏹️ ▶️ John different in any way, you know, like if it’s larger or smaller or positioned differently, that

⏹️ ▶️ John means you’re not gonna be sharing cases with the 12. And so presumably if you have a dedicated 13 case, hopefully

⏹️ ▶️ John the case manufacturers are smart enough not to cover the speaker.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey One would hope. So sticking with the 13 non-pro, there’s also an iPhone 13 mini,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey which appears as far as I know to be identical other than size to the 13, which is great.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey They specifically said the competition still playing catch up from two years ago with regard to the A15.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey And speaking of the A15, this was presented by Hope Giles, a six core, two high performance

⏹️ ▶️ Casey for efficiency, a four core GPU, a 16 core neural engine, which will roll 15.8

⏹️ ▶️ Casey trillion operations per second. And then it has two times the

⏹️ ▶️ Casey system cache. Now I’m my memory stinks, but wasn’t one of the things we decided

⏹️ ▶️ Casey about, maybe it was the M1, maybe it was the A14 was that part of the reason it was so damn fast is because it had

⏹️ ▶️ Casey a tremendous amount of system cache, or am I making that up?

⏹️ ▶️ Marco No, that’s correct. I think it depends also what level. It’s like, is this L2? Is this L3? I don’t know.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco But most of the people who know more about this stuff, who’ve analyzed what makes the

⏹️ ▶️ Marco M1 so fast, having a lot of cache on chip has

⏹️ ▶️ Marco been, a lot of the performance has been attributed to that. So if they’re doubling one of

⏹️ ▶️ Marco the caches on the chip, that’s a pretty significant thing.

⏹️ ▶️ John Well, they got more cores. The main thing that makes these A-chip series chips fast

⏹️ ▶️ John is they can get data instructions from memory very

⏹️ ▶️ John efficiently because it’s high bandwidth, and they can dispatch a bunch of them simultaneously.

⏹️ ▶️ John I forgot how wide the dispatch unit is, but it was wider than Intel chips because

⏹️ ▶️ John for Intel chips for the x86 going more than, I forget what the number is. I’m sorry. I’m getting this wrong. Maybe it’s like 60

⏹️ ▶️ John coders or something. There’s no point in getting more of them just because of the dependencies and the variable instruction size, whereas

⏹️ ▶️ John Apple’s A-series chips and the M-series chips can get tons of data and instructions and

⏹️ ▶️ John send them all through the cores at once. Like, it can keep the engine fed, because usually what slows down chips is not like,

⏹️ ▶️ John oh, this chip isn’t fast enough to do a computation. There’s nothing for it to do. I’m an adder. I’m ready to add two numbers together.

⏹️ ▶️ John Who’s got two numbers for me to add? And it’s like, ah, sorry. There’s not that many instructions that we can pull

⏹️ ▶️ John and decode and shove down into you, so you’re starved a little bit because we’ve got a data dependency and reorder

⏹️ ▶️ John buffers and all that other stuff. So having Apple’s architecture and its instruction set and everything is tailored

⏹️ ▶️ John to be able to essentially get more stuff. If you think of like meat going through a grinding machine, they can get more

⏹️ ▶️ John stuff in there and just send it through. And so you’ve got more cores and that’s not, you know, it’s not 40

⏹️ ▶️ John cores, but six is more, you know, six is more than I had last year, right? You need to keep them

⏹️ ▶️ John fed. And if you want to keep them fed, more cores also means an increase in the amount of cash.

⏹️ ▶️ John Now, they said it’s two times the amount of cash, which is way larger increase than the increase

⏹️ ▶️ John in the core count. But the core count alone probably means that you wanna have more cash just so

⏹️ ▶️ John your extra cores aren’t fighting for cash space with the same number of cores

⏹️ ▶️ John as you had last year. The A815, and also I saw a lot of stuff,

⏹️ ▶️ John rumors about the A815 and thermal throttling and everything. And every one of these phone chips thermal throttle because

⏹️ ▶️ John they’re in a phone and there’s no fan and they get hot playing games and so on and so forth. but as we get higher

⏹️ ▶️ John and higher end chips, unless we have, you know, and this is a shrink, right? So last year was

⏹️ ▶️ John seven nanometers, right? And this is five.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I think the A14 and the M1 were also five. I

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John think there’s a- Yeah, maybe they’re also

⏹️ ▶️ Marco five. Yeah, I had first heard that, but I think on confirmation, I think that it’s actually not a shrink.

⏹️ ▶️ John Well, anyway, when you have something like this where you’re cranking up the core count, you can’t just run all those

⏹️ ▶️ John all the time because you’ll, heat alone is going to be a problem. So the name of the game is always,

⏹️ ▶️ John you have these facilities available for you for burst performance, but then you chill back out and you go on your efficiency

⏹️ ▶️ John course and stuff like that. And so this A15

⏹️ ▶️ John is probably capable of draining a battery faster, which is why these phones have bigger batteries,

⏹️ ▶️ John like actually physically bigger batteries, which will hopefully give us, we’ll

⏹️ ▶️ John talk about the battery life plans in a little bit. But if you cranked up everything on these, like you played a game that used all the

⏹️ ▶️ John GPU cores and all the CPU cores, they will produce a huge amount of heat and suck down a huge amount of power.

⏹️ ▶️ John But if you’re not playing a game, that horsepower is there just waiting for you in tiny little

⏹️ ▶️ John bursts, but most of the time to be able to make it through the day, you’re not even close to tapping into them. That’s also

⏹️ ▶️ John where the caching comes in handy, which is like, oh, just, we have data, a dataset that can fit in cache

⏹️ ▶️ John and we will nibble away at it with our efficiency cores and everything will be chill. But by the way,

⏹️ ▶️ John we do actually have to put a physically larger battery in these things because if we do crank up all the machinery we’ve put

⏹️ ▶️ John in them, we will eat power. So. You’ll be doomed. Yeah, so I think

⏹️ ▶️ John it’s kind of weird what they do with the, we keep calling it the S generation, but like where they don’t change the outside case, it’s more or less looks the

⏹️ ▶️ John same,

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco you

⏹️ ▶️ John know, even if the camera bumps change slightly, but they do change the internals. And Apple made this point

⏹️ ▶️ John in the presentation. It’s not like they took the internals and like mildly tweak them. If you look at what’s inside this phone,

⏹️ ▶️ John it really doesn’t have any bearing on what was inside the previous phone, right? It’s a new motherboard, it’s

⏹️ ▶️ John a new battery, it’s a new camera system. Like it’s inside is all new stuff. On the outside,

⏹️ ▶️ John I know it looks the same, but inside it might as well be an entirely different phone. So

⏹️ ▶️ John don’t just think of this as like, oh, it’s just like the 12, but a little bit better. I mean, that’s kind of true, but it’s not like they took

⏹️ ▶️ John the 12 and like replace one small component. This is an all new phone on the

⏹️ ▶️ John inside. It’s just that on the outside, it looks the same. So, and I’ll say like the 13, like the 12,

⏹️ ▶️ John this is the phone to get, right? If you don’t

⏹️ ▶️ John care about the pro features, which you honestly, you probably shouldn’t, despite what Apple said in their market materials, like

⏹️ ▶️ John I said a little bit. And despite what we’re going to talk about

⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey in just

⏹️ ▶️ John a second. Yeah, the 13, it has the matte finish aluminum

⏹️ ▶️ John that a lot of people like better than the finish on the pro ones. I think it’s slightly lighter.

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco It has the same- It’s a lot lighter. It has

⏹️ ▶️ John the same system on the chip as the supposed Pro 1. It has one fewer camera. So

⏹️ ▶️ John like, if

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco that matters to you.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco It doesn’t have the same system on chip as the Pro 1. The Pro 1 has more GPU cores.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John It has, the Pro

⏹️ ▶️ Marco has five and the Mini and 13 have four. So it’s not a huge difference.

⏹️ ▶️ John I wonder if that’s a, you know, it has five, but one of them is dead or whatever. Probably. But anyway,

⏹️ ▶️ John like, you won’t, that won’t make a difference in your life. I promise you, like, this is,

⏹️ ▶️ John this thing that this change they made but the 12, but basically making the 12,

⏹️ ▶️ John you know, not feel like a step down from the 12 Pro was so smart and these phones

⏹️ ▶️ John are so good. If I was getting one, which I’m not, I

⏹️ ▶️ John would get the Pro because I’m silly, right? But I’m so glad this phone exists and I’m so glad that this is

⏹️ ▶️ John the one without any qualifiers. It’s just iPhone 13. If you want to start and you get the iPhone 13,

⏹️ ▶️ John you will come away with a really good phone.

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco I’m very happy

⏹️ ▶️ John with this product this year.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah. So real time follow up, by the way, the A14 was also five

⏹️ ▶️ Marco nanometers, just like the A15, and the A14 was also two performance cores

⏹️ ▶️ Marco and four efficiency cores. So generally it doesn’t, oh, and it was also four cores

⏹️ ▶️ Marco of GPU. So same as this, except for the pro phones.

⏹️ ▶️ John Oh, I thought they had added cores.

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco No, they didn’t. It’s so, the, you know,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco the basic metrics of the iPhone or the A15 processor

⏹️ ▶️ Marco of like how many cores it has, what process it’s manufactured on, those are all matching still

⏹️ ▶️ Marco from the A14. So I’m sure it is better, but again, I think this

⏹️ ▶️ Marco further supports that this might not be that much of a processor jump this year. It might be

⏹️ ▶️ Marco possibly like single digit percentage faster in certain things, maybe like 10 or 15% at

⏹️ ▶️ Marco best in certain things, but we’re not talking about a massive thing here. Now they did, the

⏹️ ▶️ Marco non-CPU parts of the system on a chip, they did a whole bunch of stuff there with

⏹️ ▶️ Marco video encoders and decoders and stuff like

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John that.

⏹️ ▶️ John This is the neural engine, the 16-core neural engine, is that an increase in cores maybe?

⏹️ ▶️ Marco No, it’s not, 16 cores in the A14. Oh. So, I mean, the cores are probably

⏹️ ▶️ Marco different, but I don’t know if they’re that different.

⏹️ ▶️ John This definitely explains the battery life claims later, because yeah, they did put a bigger battery in there, but if they were, sorry,

⏹️ ▶️ John so that’s, so forget about all that stuff with the more cores. It’s

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco just plain old,

⏹️ ▶️ John they put a bigger battery

⏹️ ▶️ Marco in

⏹️ ▶️ John the thing.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah, it seems like they’ve done some stuff, obviously. We’ll see, as we get these things in

⏹️ ▶️ Marco our hands eventually and people do some testing, we’ll see what’s actually better about it

⏹️ ▶️ Marco relative to the A14. But I would expect this is a very small year for the chip

⏹️ ▶️ Marco and a big year in other areas like the camera. But the chip is not a reason to buy these phones right now.

⏹️ ▶️ John So I do wonder if the M2, sorry to talk about Mac stuff, but if the M2 is gonna use A15 cores,

⏹️ ▶️ John how much of a difference it will make, like how much of an upgrade over the M1 will the M2 be?

⏹️ ▶️ John If it also has the same number of cores as the M1. In other words, if you just take the M1, more or less

⏹️ ▶️ John the same core counts everywhere, but upgrade them to the A15 versions of those cores, would

⏹️ ▶️ John it be a big upgrade? Because I was, you know, or maybe the M2 is on a different path, we don’t know. M2 is not a

⏹️ ▶️ John real thing that exists yet, but I’m gonna be very interested to see the benchmarks. Like you mentioned

⏹️ ▶️ John before, that Apple was always comparing to their competitors or

⏹️ ▶️ John the three-year-old chip that’s in the cheap iPad or whatever. And we dismissed that as like, oh,

⏹️ ▶️ John it’s not interesting for you to compare the competitors, but it’s only because we all know the competitors suck

⏹️ ▶️ John compared to Apple’s chips. It’s a quote-unquote unfair, uninformative comparison.

⏹️ ▶️ John It’s like, yeah, but non-Apple chips suck. That’s not telling me anything. What I wanna know is how much faster

⏹️ ▶️ John are you than the previous best Apple thing. And if that number is not big enough, I’m gonna be

⏹️ ▶️ John disappointed or whatever. But, you know, the A15 is not a slow chip. Presumably it is

⏹️ ▶️ John faster than the A14, even if all of the components have the same number of counts.

⏹️ ▶️ John Percentage-wise, kind of with Marco, that I would be shocked if anything is more than 15% faster even in

⏹️ ▶️ John artificial benchmarks, but that’s honestly plenty. What people

⏹️ ▶️ John want from their phone is not like I wish the CPU was faster. they want the battery

⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey last longer and

⏹️ ▶️ John it seems like they have solved that problem by including a bigger battery.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey It seems so. Now we should talk about the 13 camera, not the pro, but the 13 camera. The wide

⏹️ ▶️ Casey camera, which is their like standard camera, is quote the biggest sensor we’ve ever put in our dual

⏹️ ▶️ Casey camera system, quote. It allows 50% more light. It’s f1.6. It has the

⏹️ ▶️ Casey sensor shift stabilization that was coming off the 12

⏹️ ▶️ Casey max. Is that right? Correct. Okay. And it was unclear to me which

⏹️ ▶️ Casey lenses on which, on which phones, I almost said which cameras, which lenses on which phones have

⏹️ ▶️ Casey the stabilization, but at least the wide or standard camera on the 13

⏹️ ▶️ Casey definitely does. The ultra wide, they said it’s going to be a lot better.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey And then they introduced cinematic mode for video, which I don’t know,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey I’m happy to do a chief summarizer in chief summary of this. But if you guys got a better read on this on the technical

⏹️ ▶️ Casey details of this, I’m happy to step aside and let you handle it.

⏹️ ▶️ John Yeah, I think from what I’ve been able to surmise, it’s what we talked about in the rumors last episode, like, oh, imagine portrait

⏹️ ▶️ John mode, but instead of it being done for photograph done for video, and it seems

⏹️ ▶️ John similar to that, right. So it is apparently capturing depth information along

⏹️ ▶️ John with the video. And then once you have that depth information you can after the

⏹️ ▶️ John fact after you’ve recorded the video Decide which things you want it to blur because

⏹️ ▶️ John it understands what is in front of what because it has depth information and the stuff that

⏹️ ▶️ John they show they showed like the rack focus and you know the Focusing on different things

⏹️ ▶️ John right obviously you can do that while you’re recording, but then even you can change it after the fact But it’s it’s not

⏹️ ▶️ John It’s not like focusing like you would by twisting lens or whatever It is doing the portrait mode blur

⏹️ ▶️ John business where because it understands the depth of the photo the depth of video in some way It

⏹️ ▶️ John can blur and it has the same I would assume exactly the same weaknesses although maybe a better for year over year

⏹️ ▶️ John in terms of finding the edges of the hair and ears and you know the little triangle

⏹️ ▶️ John between your elbow and your body when you put your hands on your hips and all the problems that portrait mode has head of

⏹️ ▶️ John trying to figure stuff out. Presumably powered by LiDAR now. Well, not LiDAR on these ones I guess, but on the Pro it

⏹️ ▶️ John has LiDAR. But like, I mean, it gets better every year at not blurring off people’s ears and stuff,

⏹️ ▶️ John but still, I don’t expect miracles out of this. And the final thing that I was kind of disappointed

⏹️ ▶️ John to hear is, although it makes sense, you know, previously we were doing portrait mode, you take a picture and it does the depth information

⏹️ ▶️ John and, you know, blurs and so on and so forth. Now it’s got to do that in video. Isn’t that so much harder? It is.

⏹️ ▶️ John And that is probably why, at least on the 13, no, I think on the 13 Pro as well. This thing, cinematic mode,

⏹️ ▶️ John is limited to 1080p, 30 frames per second. Oh!

⏹️ ▶️ John Yeah, that’s a bummer. It’s on the iPhone 13 Pro specs page. That’s it, right? So no 4K, no 120 frames per

⏹️ ▶️ John second, no nothing like that. And it’s presumably because that’s

⏹️ ▶️ John the rate at which it can handle gathering the depth information, right, because

⏹️ ▶️ John I mean, I guess it needs to render it in frame as well. I’m not sure what the limiting factor is, whether it’s we

⏹️ ▶️ John can’t collect depth information at more than 30 frames per second, or we can’t render in real time the effect

⏹️ ▶️ John that we need to, we can’t do the blur in real time based on the depth information. But anyway, that’s

⏹️ ▶️ John a pretty big limitation that shows that this feature is really pushing the limits of

⏹️ ▶️ John the tech they have in these phones.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah, and honestly, the example they showed,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I think it looks weird. Is it just me? Even the one that they showed before

⏹️ ▶️ Marco they said, and that’s the, we actually shot that video that you just saw with it. Even that,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco when the focus changes from something in the foreground to something in the background, the

⏹️ ▶️ Marco way it changes looks weird to me. Like it looks both too fast

⏹️ ▶️ Marco of a change and it looks like it kind of passes the point where it should go and then kind of pops back.

⏹️ ▶️ John I think it’s kind of doing that on purpose to make it seem like a human is twisting a lens or being a focus,

⏹️ ▶️ John although I think a focus puller wouldn’t screw that up, but like a regular non-professional human

⏹️ ▶️ John twisting the lens of a camera to manually change focus, it’s very easy to overshoot and then come back

⏹️ ▶️ John a

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco little bit.

⏹️ ▶️ John But yeah,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I just.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John So

⏹️ ▶️ Marco you. It looks more like focus hunting. Like when a camera’s doing contrast. No, that’s what they call it

⏹️ ▶️ Marco when cameras do contrast autofocus and it passes the optimal point and then backs off back to the

⏹️ ▶️ Marco optimal point. It looked like that. And so not only did it look

⏹️ ▶️ Marco weird, but even again, even the rate at which it was changing, it looked like a mistake,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco and it looked unnatural. Like, I don’t know. To me, maybe I’m just picky about this kind

⏹️ ▶️ Marco of stuff, because I don’t even, look, I don’t know anything about video, I’ve never pulled focus,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco whatever that means. I don’t know anything about making videos, but I know when something looks

⏹️ ▶️ Marco right and doesn’t look right, and it didn’t look right to me,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John even beyond blurring off people’s hair.

⏹️ ▶️ John Yeah, it’s not quite the same as optical focusing, They do the best they can with the depth information. If you

⏹️ ▶️ John notice the scene they did, it was like people in kind of like a dark mansion indoors, which the sort of darkish

⏹️ ▶️ John background probably hides the sins of the edge finding algorithm. You know what I mean? Like it’s

⏹️ ▶️ John like when you do special effects and you make it all dark because if it was a sunny day, you’d see how bad your CG is back in the day.

⏹️ ▶️ John So I think they’re doing the best they can with the stuff that’s available to them.

⏹️ ▶️ John But yeah, with the hunting, Like they tried to show like, look,

⏹️ ▶️ John our phone will figure out like, oh, when you hold the thing up really close to the camera, it will focus on that.

⏹️ ▶️ John And when you put it down, it will focus on the thing behind it. That’s the thing that quote unquote real cameras like

⏹️ ▶️ John YouTubers use or whatever. Like the new, what is it? The A7S3 or I don’t

⏹️ ▶️ John get this. Yeah, I think so.

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco Yeah,

⏹️ ▶️ John anyway, that’s a feature of those cameras, but those cameras are actually changing focus

⏹️ ▶️ John as in a big thing with glass in it is twisting and changing, right? That’s

⏹️ ▶️ John what it’s actually doing, but it does it in response to the, hey, if I hold up this product outstretched into my arm, my

⏹️ ▶️ John YouTuber camera will focus on it, but then when I put the product back down on the table, it will focus on my

⏹️ ▶️ John face again. That’s what the iPhone is doing, only it’s not changing focus, it is just blurring stuff out based on

⏹️ ▶️ John depth information that it’s gathering, which is a neat trick, but still not

⏹️ ▶️ John quite what people want out of their cameras. And

⏹️ ▶️ John I guess we’ll, This isn’t this isn’t the thing where they had Catherine Catherine Bigelow come out, right? so I guess we’ll talk about that later,

⏹️ ▶️ John but anyway, it’s cool that it can do this at all and improved cameras are Appreciated

⏹️ ▶️ John and the iPhone does shoot really good video But I think you know bringing portrait

⏹️ ▶️ John mode to video I have the same sort of position on it as I have on portrait mode Which is it’s not a feature that I find interesting

⏹️ ▶️ John But I’m not in the majority because I see a lot of people use portrait mode for like all the pictures and they love it So

⏹️ ▶️ John I think, you know, people are not as picky as Marco and I.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey I think it looks interesting. I don’t know if I would use it very often, especially because I would want the higher fidelity

⏹️ ▶️ Casey video, but I think it’s cool and presumably next year we will get the higher fidelity video, but we’ll see.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey I like who said battery life is better. The mini gets one and a half more hours. Supposedly the 13

⏹️ ▶️ Casey gets two and a half more hours. Uh, it uses smart data like, like this year’s

⏹️ ▶️ Casey phones or I’m sorry. the 2020 edition phones do so it’ll it’ll only use LT when

⏹️ ▶️ Casey 5g is necessary. They made a point of hey this uses MagSafe including

⏹️ ▶️ Casey a new leather wallet that includes find my so when it slides off because it’s only connected by magnets

⏹️ ▶️ Casey and then you can find it which I thought was quite funny.

⏹️ ▶️ John This is not the solution to the problem with this product. Oh we have a wallet product that can actually

⏹️ ▶️ John connects to the back of your phone with a magnet and guess what it’s pretty easy to knock it off and no one wants to lose their wallet.

⏹️ ▶️ John How can we solve this problem? Let’s think everybody. What can we do? Hmm? Oh, I know

⏹️ ▶️ John Let’s put a thing in it to let people find it after you know Make it so it doesn’t get lost

⏹️ ▶️ John You know how I won’t get lost if you make an actual wallet case that wraps around your entire phone Do lots of people who have

⏹️ ▶️ John wallet cases for their phone constantly say oh no The wallet case fell off my phone again, and I lost my wallet.

⏹️ ▶️ John No, it never falls off It’s like they’re on there like a death grip It’s a pain to get your phone out of them

⏹️ ▶️ John because it wraps around the edges of the entire phone and it becomes oh Oh, this wallet product.

⏹️ ▶️ John Like it amazes me that someone had this meeting and was like, I know how we can solve this. We’ve got these amazing, what

⏹️ ▶️ John is it? What are those things called that you find your bike with, Marco, I’ve already forgotten, AirTags. AirTags. Right, we’ve got this amazing

⏹️ ▶️ John AirTag tech. What if we put an AirTag in our overpriced magnetic wallet thing? That way when it accidentally falls

⏹️ ▶️ John off, people might find it. No, no Apple, stop, leave it. Like what

⏹️ ▶️ John are they doing over there? Oh God, this hurts me to think about.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey It’s interesting. And it can’t be an AirTag because there’s no battery spot.

⏹️ ▶️ John So

⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey I don’t know what it is. Whatever they’re

⏹️ ▶️ John doing, whatever technology they’re doing, that’s not the solution. Like making it easier to find out after I lose it, I don’t

⏹️ ▶️ John want to lose it. I don’t want it to fall off the back of my phone. It’s a bad product.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, John It’s funny.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey So 13 mini is $699, 13 is $799. They said that you can get up to $700 off if you trade in a quote qualifying quote iPhone.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey They doubled the default storage capacity from 64 gigs to 128, which is great. And you can

⏹️ ▶️ Casey get a half terabyte, which is pretty cool.

⏹️ ▶️ John You forgot to mention the 5G, more bands in more places. This is as close as we got to any kind of mild

⏹️ ▶️ John confirmation of the idea that if there are bands for that used to be used for satellite communication that were reallocated

⏹️ ▶️ John to 5G and that Apple’s new modems can use them. I don’t know if that’s related to this,

⏹️ ▶️ John but they did say more bands. And importantly, they didn’t say anything about satellites. So

⏹️ ▶️ John in case you’re wondering if the new iPhones have any satellite stuff, they do not. Yeah, they probably would have mentioned that.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey I would think so.

iPhone 13 Pro, Pro Max

⏹️ ▶️ Casey iPhone 13 Pro, this is what I’m gonna be getting, I think, because I, again, believe

⏹️ ▶️ Casey in rampant consumerism. So there are three cameras, just like before.

⏹️ ▶️ John Before you get to that, do the weight stuff, because now it’s the time to talk about weights. Oh, okay.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco They’re all slightly heavier than last year.

⏹️ ▶️ John Exactly, like not just the Pros, but they’re all a little bit heavier. And I assume that’s like

⏹️ ▶️ John bigger battery, and battery is pretty dense and heavy part of it. I don’t know where the weight is coming. Now, in the

⏹️ ▶️ John grand scheme of things, we’re talking like, you know, 10, 20 grams, right? But they are getting

⏹️ ▶️ John heavier and the previous year’s phones weren’t particularly light. Like they feel big and dense.

⏹️ ▶️ John It’s the type of thing that once you get the phone and it becomes your phone, you just get used to it and you don’t notice it anymore. But

⏹️ ▶️ John if you do this every year, if you have like a 10, 15 gram increase every year, eventually you have some kind of

⏹️ ▶️ John problems. I don’t think they’re in the problem zone yet, but just FYI, these are a tiny little bit heavier across the board, all the

⏹️ ▶️ John phones. Like the 13 is about 10 grams heavier than the 12 was, The 13 Pro

⏹️ ▶️ John is about like 13, 14 grams heavier than the 12 Pro was. Like that’s the range these

⏹️ ▶️ John things are in. So, you know, that, and then I guess we can talk about the camera bump, which is the next thing that

⏹️ ▶️ John is not heavier, but larger on the 13 Pro.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Yeah, so the cameras, oh, actually we should also talk about colors very quickly. We’ve got

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Sierra blue, as previously mentioned, which I think looks freaking good. It’s a very, very light

⏹️ ▶️ Casey blue. I really liked the midnight blue of my 12 Pro, but I think this looks excellent as well. So

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Sierra blue, silver gold and graphite. And actually I think the graphite looks pretty good too. It’s a lighter gray

⏹️ ▶️ Casey than like one of the space grays or blacks or whatever, the black du jour.

⏹️ ▶️ John Not that you’ll ever see it Casey, cause you’re gonna have a case on this.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey You are damn right I’m gonna have a case on

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, John this. You can get a clear case

⏹️ ▶️ Casey I

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, John guess.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Although actually that said, forgive me, I forget who it was in the chat, but somebody in the chat was pointing out that

⏹️ ▶️ Casey with AppleCare Plus, if you purchase it today or later, so this is no good

⏹️ ▶️ Casey for my AppleCare Plus that I purchased a year ago. But if you purchase AppleCare Plus today or later, a back

⏹️ ▶️ Casey glass replacement is 30 bucks instead of 100. Which is news to me.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey That is pretty good. And it’s making me wonder if I should go caseless, caseless

⏹️ ▶️ Casey again. But we’ll argue about that another time

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, Marco because 30

⏹️ ▶️ Casey bucks is not that bad. But I think, especially when their cases are like 50, 60, 70 bucks, but whatever.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey I think you’re right that I think I will go, I will put a case on this because I’m trying to learn from my mistakes

⏹️ ▶️ Casey of two consecutive years, I should add. But anyway, the Sierra Blue looks darn good, which I unfortunately will never see.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco It does look really good. I’m curious with the Sierra Blue, if you recall,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco the way Jaws was describing, he mentioned that there’s like special ceramic particles

⏹️ ▶️ Marco that are in just the Sierra Blue color. There’s something special about that coating

⏹️ ▶️ Marco or paint or whatever it is. There’s something special about that that is different from the others in its makeup besides

⏹️ ▶️ Marco just the color that it is. but I’m curious if it will actually look noticeably different or if it just looks like a light blue case.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I’m also curious, you know, one of the major downsides of last year’s Pro line

⏹️ ▶️ Marco was just how incredibly fingerprinty those steel case bands would get. And

⏹️ ▶️ Marco on the dark blue phone, you saw every single fingerprint that ever touched that thing. So maybe

⏹️ ▶️ Marco by making the blue lighter and by putting magic particles in the finish or something, maybe that makes it less

⏹️ ▶️ Marco fingerprinty.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Oh, that’s very good magic particles, I like that. Actually, before we get to the, I keep trying to bring up the cameras, but before

⏹️ ▶️ Casey we get there, I should also note that we have the finally

⏹️ ▶️ Casey arrival of the high frame rate display. We get a 120 Hertz

⏹️ ▶️ Casey ProMotion display. This is something that I personally have not felt like I’m

⏹️ ▶️ Casey missing out on. I don’t even feel like I noticed it that much on my iPad Pro, truth be told, but maybe I’m just

⏹️ ▶️ Casey not discerning enough. One way or another, I think it’s great to have it. I wonder in hope

⏹️ ▶️ Casey that the variable refresh rate that certainly comes from these displays, if maybe that helps with efficiency

⏹️ ▶️ Casey in battery life, because they were saying, you know, hey, when we don’t need 60 Hertz, which is a default on older phones,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey we’ll just refresh it, you know, 10 Hertz or whatever the case may

⏹️ ▶️ John be. Yeah, 10 was the minimum instead of the watch. The watch does what, one Hertz? I believe that’s

⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey right. It’s

⏹️ ▶️ John interesting. I mean, obviously we didn’t get the always on screen on these phones either, so maybe 10 Hertz is sufficient, but it’s

⏹️ ▶️ John interesting they didn’t crank it all the way down to one.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah, I’m sure there’s some electrical reason for that, but I mean, I’m sure it’s going, you know, like everything else with weird

⏹️ ▶️ Marco OLED power saving tricks, it’s going to probably depend a lot on what you are doing on the phone. Like, this might

⏹️ ▶️ Marco save a lot if you, if you like, you know, just have the phone sitting on a table with the screen

⏹️ ▶️ Marco on that you like left it on for a while.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John Or you’re

⏹️ ▶️ John just like reading Twitter when you’re not scrolling, that’s 10 Hertz.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco That’s true, yeah, you know, yeah, because like, you know, you might think like, oh, I’m constantly touching my phone, but

⏹️ ▶️ Marco you, you know, you probably like scroll it and then stop for even, even if you’re stopping for a quarter second.

⏹️ ▶️ John Yeah, as far as the computer is concerned, it’s like billions of CPU cycles and

⏹️ ▶️ John dozens or hundreds of potential screen refreshes while you read that one tweet.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Right, exactly. I mean, that’s like an overcast. That’s how smart speed works. It doesn’t work by cutting out long

⏹️ ▶️ Marco pauses only. It cuts out all the pauses or reduces them proportionally.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco But even small pauses in the middle of words might be long enough for it to

⏹️ ▶️ Marco trim them down a little bit. and you don’t realize how much it actually saves because you don’t think of

⏹️ ▶️ Marco words as having silences inside of them, but they do. And similar to this, I

⏹️ ▶️ Marco think you’re right, John, as you’re scrolling through something, you scroll, stop, scroll, stop, scroll,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco stop, and all those stops, you can save time there, you can save frames there, and all that will

⏹️ ▶️ Marco add up probably not to massive battery gains, but some battery gain.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I did wanna mention the screens on both the Pro and the regular iPhone 13 have gotten

⏹️ ▶️ Marco significantly brighter. The max

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John brightness is up.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco They’re both up to, see the 13 and mini are up to, I believe 800 nits sustained

⏹️ ▶️ Marco brightness, and the Max and the regular Pro are up to 1000 nits sustained brightness. And then

⏹️ ▶️ Marco they each can peak up to 1200 for HDR stuff. For HDR.

⏹️ ▶️ John I’ve actually occasionally watch television shows on my phone, just because I’m downstairs and too lazy to

⏹️ ▶️ John go get the iPad or whatever. It’s a really good screen. It’s OLED, it’s got good blacks. Like, you know,

⏹️ ▶️ John and if the show you’re watching is HDR, it shows off pretty well. So make that

⏹️ ▶️ John even better. Like, yeah, this is a good screen.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey All right, the camera system. It is the biggest camera advancement ever, supposedly. It’s a- The

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, John biggest camera

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco ever. Yeah, I

⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey mean,

⏹️ ▶️ John that’s, speaking of you going caseless, I don’t know how this thing is going to sit

⏹️ ▶️ John on the table without a case, because if you look at it from the profile and they showed it in the keynote,

⏹️ ▶️ John so there’s a little plateau that is like, Oh, it’s like the back glass of your phone

⏹️ ▶️ John puckers up a little bit, right? So that’s the plateau. Then on top of the plateau, you’ve got the silver discs that

⏹️ ▶️ John define the cameras. Then poking out of the silver discs, you have the black discs. And all of those things, the

⏹️ ▶️ John plateau, it looks like the silver and the black, they’re all slightly bigger than they used to be. And so you add them all together

⏹️ ▶️ John and you get a mighty camera bump,

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco which makes me think like,

⏹️ ▶️ John I saw a YouTube video, like an iPhone 14 rumors, and like, oh, flush cameras in the back of the

⏹️ ▶️ John iPhone 14. Like, really? We’re gonna go from the biggest camera bump that we’ve ever had on an

⏹️ ▶️ John iPhone in one generation to flat, maybe. I mean, hey, it’s a generational leap. Like that’s what we do. But anyway,

⏹️ ▶️ John this is a big camera bump. And like, it affects not just how this camera,

⏹️ ▶️ John how this phone would feel if you put it on a table without a case on it, right? But it

⏹️ ▶️ John also affects the cases that are designed for this because they also have to have an even bigger and more

⏹️ ▶️ John prominent lip if they want when you put it down on the table for the case to contact the

⏹️ ▶️ John table and not the lenses of your cameras, right? And gone

⏹️ ▶️ John are the days where like the thickness of the case would be sufficient

⏹️ ▶️ John to like to make the bottom surface of the phone flat. Like I suppose you can still do that, but that would be a pretty thick case.

⏹️ ▶️ John Like again, look at this in the keynote in profile. I guess I should

⏹️ ▶️ John have done some like millimeter measurement to just figure like what percentage of the thickness

⏹️ ▶️ John of the body of the phone is the camera bump? It looks like more than half,

⏹️ ▶️ John right? It is very big. And I think, honestly, this is the correct

⏹️ ▶️ John trade-off for this device because people love to take pictures with their phone. And if you can make this camera

⏹️ ▶️ John better, by all means, make it thicker. I’m just saying that this is, I feel like

⏹️ ▶️ John it’s more of an issue in the, not in the thickness of the design, but when you look at the phone from the back,

⏹️ ▶️ John it looks to me like the actual size of the rounded rectangle that contains the three camera lenses

⏹️ ▶️ John is also bigger than it was. It looks

⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey like at this

⏹️ ▶️ John point, it is more than half, like it’s starting to look disproportionate.

⏹️ ▶️ John It’s starting to look kind of like that idea that you’re gonna put the cameras in the upper left corner of

⏹️ ▶️ John the phone. It’s not in the upper left corner anymore. It’s just taking over the whole top of the phone.

⏹️ ▶️ John And so it’s like, maybe should we center this? Should we think about not doing them in like a triangle

⏹️ ▶️ John design? Should they be in a line? Should we just take up the whole top third of the phone?

⏹️ ▶️ John I’m really interested to see what the next, like the iPhone 14, the next physical design of the phone does, because

⏹️ ▶️ John I think we have exhausted this design of reserve the corner

⏹️ ▶️ John of the back of the phone for the camera. It has outgrown the corner. It is now, it’s taking over. It’s like

⏹️ ▶️ John all those parody shots where they show like a hundred little cameras on the back of the phone. And again, I don’t think that’s the

⏹️ ▶️ John wrong decision. Lots of other phones from other manufacturers do this. They essentially dedicate the entire top half

⏹️ ▶️ John or a third of the thing, or they have a big line of cameras they go horizontally or vertically, like this

⏹️ ▶️ John is a problem that every smartphone manufacturer is facing, Apple is just not quite

⏹️ ▶️ John ready to face the music. So they have put out what I think is a little bit, a

⏹️ ▶️ John little bit of an unbalanced design for the pro phone. And that like the bump is a little bit

⏹️ ▶️ John too thick for this design and the plateau is a little bit too big and the

⏹️ ▶️ John cases make it look a little bit unbalanced. I’m sure no

⏹️ ▶️ John one will really care about this because all people care about is that it takes better pictures and this thing looks like it does. I just think

⏹️ ▶️ John we are at the end of this evolutionary stage and it’s time to try something else next year.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Yeah, I don’t disagree. However, I am really excited about

⏹️ ▶️ Casey this new camera system. I am really stoked for the

⏹️ ▶️ Casey 3X optical zoom telephoto. I think that’s gonna be great. If there’s anywhere that

⏹️ ▶️ Casey I feel like my iPhone really falls down is if I’m not close to my subject. And

⏹️ ▶️ Casey especially when you have kids or dogs or whatever, oftentimes you can’t quickly

⏹️ ▶️ Casey or conveniently get close to your subject. And so to have a telephoto at all is really helpful

⏹️ ▶️ Casey for me anyway. And to have a 3x optical, I think is gonna be great. So I’m really excited about that. Before

⏹️ ▶️ Casey I move on, Marco, thoughts on the telephoto?

⏹️ ▶️ Marco As somebody who has not had a more than 1x lens of the last year, I do miss

⏹️ ▶️ Marco the telephoto. I have the same issue that like the limit of whether

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I can use my iPhone to reasonably get a shot usually is not do I have

⏹️ ▶️ Marco enough megapixels. Usually the limit is do I have enough reach optically. Like

⏹️ ▶️ Marco that is by far, like literally this morning, there was, I wanted to take a picture

⏹️ ▶️ Marco of, there was like a cool looking sailboat off in the distance on the water, and I was pretty far from

⏹️ ▶️ Marco it, and I tried getting a picture from my iPhone and you just couldn’t see it. Like I had to like bust out

⏹️ ▶️ Marco the Sony with its 90 millimeter lens and take a picture that way. The

⏹️ ▶️ Marco 3X lens on this is 77 millimeter equivalent. That’s pretty

⏹️ ▶️ Marco great. The only thing that gives me significant pause here is

⏹️ ▶️ Marco that in the past, the telephoto lenses for the cameras have been

⏹️ ▶️ Marco substantially less light gathering. They’ve had much higher F numbers and

⏹️ ▶️ Marco they gather less light and therefore their pictures have tended to be duller and more noisy or

⏹️ ▶️ Marco more blurry after processing because they need to amp up the ISO

⏹️ ▶️ Marco in order to get enough light in there. And this has gotten worse in this respect.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco The telephoto, so the other cameras have all gotten like

⏹️ ▶️ Marco universally better. Like they’ve been great, awesome. The

⏹️ ▶️ Marco 2x lens of most of them though is a little bit of a different story.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco The 2x, so the wide, like the quote 1x, I’m not gonna use their stupid terms of

⏹️ ▶️ Marco wide being 1x. All right, so the 1x camera, last year it was f1.6

⏹️ ▶️ Marco on the Pro line. And this year it’s f1.5. That’s good, that’s more

⏹️ ▶️ Marco light. The lower number means more light coming in. More light coming in means it can have less noise,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco better colors, et cetera. Okay, good. The telephoto in the 12

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Pro was F 2.0. That’s the 2X on the 12 Pro.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Oh, interesting.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco The 12 Pro Max had that 2.5X camera, and that went from F 2.0 on the 2X to F 2.2 for the 2.5X.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco So the 2.5X camera was actually a little bit worse of a lens in terms of how much light it let in, but

⏹️ ▶️ Marco it was zoomed in more. The new 3X cameras are F 2.8. That’s from 2.2 to 2.8.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco That’s a big jump. So what this means is that the

⏹️ ▶️ Marco telephoto camera, I think 2.0 to 2.8, I think is one stop, or maybe one and a half stop.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Anyway, what that means is that the 3X lens lets in substantially

⏹️ ▶️ Marco less light than last year’s 2X or 2.5X cameras did. And

⏹️ ▶️ Marco so what that’s likely to yield is significantly duller pictures.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco you’re not gonna be able to use that lens in low light very well. What the iPhone

⏹️ ▶️ Marco cameras have always done ever since there was more than one lens is in low light, because

⏹️ ▶️ Marco the 1X camera always had the best optics, in low light, even if you’d zoom in to 2X,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco it would kick back and actually use the 1X camera and just digital crop out the middle and make that your 2X picture.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I expect that to be the case here as well, not only because it can’t even use

⏹️ ▶️ Marco the 3X camera unless you are actually zoomed into 3X, so that you have more of a gap between

⏹️ ▶️ Marco the two. But also, the 3X camera is so optically much worse

⏹️ ▶️ Marco than the 1X camera. It’s a bigger gap this year in terms of how good those two

⏹️ ▶️ Marco are relative to each other than there’s ever been.

⏹️ ▶️ John Well, the 3X one though, you made it sound like you’re gonna have duller pictures, but if you’re a sailboat

⏹️ ▶️ John example, if it’s a sunny day, don’t worry about it. It will be fine. Like, f2.8 on a bright,

⏹️ ▶️ John sunny day of taking a picture of a sailboat out on the water, you’re gonna be fine. It’s once you’re indoors,

⏹️ ▶️ John or not even night, just indoors, like with just indoor lighting, or in like a dimly lit restaurant,

⏹️ ▶️ John or of course anything at night, yeah, you’re probably gonna be hurting and it will fall back to the 1X lens.

⏹️ ▶️ John But for the applications that I imagine people need optical zoom, like it’s not in a crowded bar at night where you

⏹️ ▶️ John need the 3X zoom probably, right? It’s going to be, oh, my kid is far away from me on the soccer field

⏹️ ▶️ John or something, or I wanna get a picture of that bird in the tree or that sailboat on the water. In those scenarios, you probably

⏹️ ▶️ John have adequate light. I think this is the right trade-off. And this is generally true of most like zoom lenses for quote

⏹️ ▶️ John unquote real cameras. They gather less light, right? So you have, you know, some, you know,

⏹️ ▶️ John 750 millimeter lens, it’s not gonna be F 1.2 probably. Right? It’s, you know, you’re

⏹️ ▶️ John gonna lose light just for the lens elements alone. The size of a car. Yeah.

⏹️ ▶️ John So, so I think like, despite going down in the light gathering ability,

⏹️ ▶️ John I think it is well worth that trade off for 3x optical zoom.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I think you’re probably right, but I do think like for people who get this phone, which I might be one of them, we’ll see, but

⏹️ ▶️ Marco you know, for people who get this

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, Casey phone,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I think the lower quality of the lens on the 3x

⏹️ ▶️ Marco will be noticeable during the lifetime of you having this phone. It might not be noticeable all the time, just like the 2x camera often

⏹️ ▶️ Marco isn’t noticeable, but that will be noticeable sometimes, and that is something worth pointing out. That

⏹️ ▶️ Marco being said, they’ve done so many other optical upgrades

⏹️ ▶️ Marco on this camera system that I’m sure Casey’s about to cover, but basically, I’m

⏹️ ▶️ Marco very excited about this camera system. And even though the 3X camera is F2.8,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco which scares the crap out of me in terms of what that means for noise, I think

⏹️ ▶️ Marco the utility alone of that would be pretty great.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey pretty great. Yeah, yeah, no argument here. And so the ultra wide lens, which

⏹️ ▶️ Casey is the one that is shared with the 13, but it’s not the standard lens. This is like the, what do they

⏹️ ▶️ Casey call it? One half X? The 0.5

⏹️ ▶️ Marco X lens. Yep, F 1.8.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey And it now supports macro photography at a minimum distance of two centimeters, which is really cool. That’s

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, John great.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Yeah, I’m really, I’m really interested. I don’t feel like that’s something I would desire to do often, but it’s certainly something I

⏹️ ▶️ Casey would want to do from time to time. like.

⏹️ ▶️ John You need it when taking pictures of like, uh, you know, labels or using the magnifier thing or whatever. It’s

⏹️ ▶️ John like when you want to take a

⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey picture of like a good point,

⏹️ ▶️ John good

⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey point,

⏹️ ▶️ John serial number on the bottom of a mouse, let’s say, maybe we’ll talk about that next week.

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco Um, and

⏹️ ▶️ John you, and you, and you see your, uh, your phone like focus on thing of saying

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco like,

⏹️ ▶️ John Oh, I can’t, it’s all blurry or whatever.

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco That’s just doing cinema mode.

⏹️ ▶️ John Yeah. Having, having something’s actually capable of focusing at macro type distances of two

⏹️ ▶️ John centimeters solves that problem. And I really hope I really hope that the phone like defaults to the ultra

⏹️ ▶️ John wide when it realizes you’re trying to take a picture of something that close, because that’s exactly what this is great for.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey So that’s F1.8, which is pretty freaking big in my personal opinion.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey But then the wide or one X lens F1.5,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey which is to my eyes and Marco correct me when you’re ready, but that is that is impressive. I mean, I’m

⏹️ ▶️ Casey looking at I happen to have my my quote unquote big camera here, which admittedly is not the fanciest

⏹️ ▶️ Casey camera in the world, but I have a pretty nice prime lens on it right now, and it goes up to F1.4. And this lens was like

⏹️ ▶️ Casey an $800 lens or something like that. So here it is, the 1X lens on

⏹️ ▶️ Casey the iPhone 13 Pro, F1.5. Not bad. Yeah,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco well, to be fair, it’s not directly comparable. When sensor sizes are different, the

⏹️ ▶️ Marco optics of this are, like the way it works is different depending on the sensor size. It’s like,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco it’s less impressive to have a 1.6 aperture on a tiny…

⏹️ ▶️ John When your sensor is smaller than your pinky nail.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah, exactly. It’s still, this is still a good thing, but it’s best to compare it relative to

⏹️ ▶️ Marco itself, like relative to previous iPhones, not to big cameras that have much bigger sensors and bigger optics

⏹️ ▶️ Marco and everything else. But this is good. You know, the 12 line, the 1X camera

⏹️ ▶️ Marco had a 1.6 aperture, and now we have 1.5, so we’re a little bit better. That’s great.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco And I think, is this, let me just double check here. Is this actually, yeah. So this

⏹️ ▶️ Marco only applies to the Pro phones. So last year, the camera systems between the non-Pro

⏹️ ▶️ Marco and Pro phones were much more similar than they are this year, with the exception, you know,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco it didn’t have the big one, the big 2.5X slash 2X one last

⏹️ ▶️ Marco year. And there was no, there was only sensor shift stabilization

⏹️ ▶️ Marco on the Max. But this year, the difference between the 13 and 13 mini and the 13 pro and 13 pro max

⏹️ ▶️ Marco is a much bigger difference in camera. This is one of the reasons why I’m probably gonna go pro this year,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco because the camera difference here is huge and noticeably and noteworthy

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Lee, there’s no difference in the camera system this year

⏹️ ▶️ Marco between the max and the mid-size pro. There’s no difference in the phones at all,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco it seems, except the size of the screen and battery. Like, everything else about the Max versus the regular

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Pro is the same this

⏹️ ▶️ Casey year. The way God intended.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, Marco This is my favorite

⏹️ ▶️ Casey kind of year, when I don’t have to have a choice between an absurdly oversized phone that

⏹️ ▶️ Casey has like the 2.5X camera or what have you, and the phone that’s still probably too big,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey but at least manageable. I genuinely am so happy when, among the flagship

⏹️ ▶️ Casey models anyway, when the standard and humongous sizes

⏹️ ▶️ Casey are equivalent, which has happened once or twice in the past, but often the ridiculously

⏹️ ▶️ Casey oversized phone will get some new often camera related technology that makes me jealous, but I just

⏹️ ▶️ Casey can’t bring myself to get the ridiculously oversized phone. So I’m really happy.

⏹️ ▶️ John Last year it was what, sensor shift in the 2.5X? Correct. Is the max? Correct. And so this year,

⏹️ ▶️ John sensor shift made it all the way down to the 13, which is nice.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yes, the 1X camera has sensor shift now on all the phones. Yeah. Which is great. The

⏹️ ▶️ Marco one major change, so last year, the Pro, but actually I think just the Pro Max

⏹️ ▶️ Marco had a larger sensor that had larger pixels, and that’s great for

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John light gathering.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco You want that. Like larger pixels means more light hits each one.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco And so it’s a similar thing as having more light coming through the lens, like this helps you have lower ISOs,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco lets you get faster, sharper shots with better contrast and less noise. Great, okay. So this year,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco the larger sensor that was in the 12 Pro Max last year,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco now is in all the One X cameras. but the pro cameras only this year,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco now their sensor got even bigger. So the big sensor

⏹️ ▶️ Marco from last year that’s now on the non-pro models is 1.7 micrometer,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I believe is the unit, the little U thing, that’s micrometer, right?

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Most people pronounce it micrometer, I believe, but

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, Marco yes.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah, okay, affluent.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, Casey So we have that

⏹️ ▶️ Casey right? No, now I’m doubting myself, maybe I’m wrong.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, John It’s a- Micrometer

⏹️ ▶️ John is a thing you use to measure.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey That’s why I was doubting myself, you’re right. Okay, see, I take it all back. We’ll fix

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, Marco it in post. I don’t

⏹️ ▶️ Marco know how to say

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John metric

⏹️ ▶️ Marco terms. I’m just gonna say um, cause it looks like it’s, you

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John know, um, that somebody just kind of

⏹️ ▶️ Marco drooled off the end of the U. Anyway, so the last year it was 1.7 pixels,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco and this year it’s 1.9 on the pro models. So the pixels got

⏹️ ▶️ Marco even bigger, which means the sensor got even bigger, and this is great news for image

⏹️ ▶️ Marco quality. Again, more light hitting the pixels makes better pictures. So this

⏹️ ▶️ Marco is great. Actually, I shouldn’t say pixels. I don’t think they’re actually pixels, are they?

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Like the sensor sites? Anyway, light buckets, whatever they are. They’re

⏹️ ▶️ Marco like making those bigger and making the, so the sensor’s bigger, the lens aperture

⏹️ ▶️ Marco is wider open, like you get more light in, the stabilization is better on all of them.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Like this is a massive camera upgrade. And then to throw in a 3X lens, whew,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco this is very tempting. And this, the camera is what is right now my current plan

⏹️ ▶️ Marco is to go pro, even though I’ve loved the mini size so much

⏹️ ▶️ Marco this past year, like physically, I just love the size, I love the weight, but

⏹️ ▶️ Marco that’s a huge camera upgrade. And the fact that I don’t have to go all the way to the max, that I can get that huge camera upgrade in

⏹️ ▶️ Marco like the mid-size pro, that’s what I’m gonna go for.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Yep, yep, I think for me, I’m looking to get a 13 pro in that Sierra

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Blue, whatever it’s called. It

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, John looks so good to me.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey We should very quickly mention again, an hour and a half more battery life than the 12 Pro, two

⏹️ ▶️ Casey and a half hours more battery life than 12 Pro Max. Longest ever on an iPhone, or so they claim.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Starting at $1,000 for the 12 Pro, $1,100 for the Pro Max, up to $1,000 off with trade-in in certain cases. They give a, or they have a one

⏹️ ▶️ Casey terabyte storage option, which is not for me,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey but I do think it’s interesting. Pre-order on Friday, which I’ve confirmed, is at a reasonable hour.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Thank you, thank you so much that it’s 8 a.m. Eastern time, which is

⏹️ ▶️ Casey the, as we all know, the one true time zone, and then it will be shipping on the 24th of September.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Additionally, the 12 Pro is retired. It is no longer available at this time.

⏹️ ▶️ John So that one terabyte option is important for the thing that you skipped over here, which is the part where they

⏹️ ▶️ John trotted out big time Hollywood directors to show how you can make, you know,

⏹️ ▶️ John movie quality footage with these iPhones and how great it is that they’re so small, and you can put the

⏹️ ▶️ John camera anywhere and so on and so forth. And they also will now shoot ProRes,

⏹️ ▶️ John which is Apple’s, is it uncompressed? It’s very large. It’s less compressed. That’s sad, I’m not

⏹️ ▶️ John sure if

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco it’s uncompressed, but anyway, it takes up more room. I

⏹️ ▶️ Marco don’t think anything shoots uncompressed video of anything ever because it’s so massive, but ProRes I believe

⏹️ ▶️ Marco is lightly compressed. And the files are massive. Yeah,

⏹️ ▶️ John ProRes takes up a lot of room. And so they touted, they said, what did they say, faster file system, I think they said

⏹️ ▶️ John in the thing. Which I’m assuming what they really mean is faster file IO,

⏹️ ▶️ John as in whatever the system on a chip connection it has to the flash storage now has

⏹️ ▶️ John higher bandwidth, lower latency, basically to be able to keep up with recording ProRes.

⏹️ ▶️ John Did they say it could do 120, 4K, 120 frames per second ProRes, I forget, no, maybe it was 4K60.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco No, it says here ProRes video recording up to 4K30. All right,

⏹️ ▶️ John but anyway, the point is that’s a huge amount of data. And so they need to make sure you can actually write that data to

⏹️ ▶️ John the storage fast enough. And also, if you’re gonna be, you know, recording

⏹️ ▶️ John in that format, now suddenly the one terabyte phone starts to make some sense. With the caveat

⏹️ ▶️ John that, okay, you’ve got a one terabyte phone and you’re able to record ProRes, and I don’t know what the

⏹️ ▶️ John math is of like how many minutes of ProRes equals how many gigabytes of video, but you could fill that phone pretty easily and

⏹️ ▶️ John you know, shooting a movie or whatever. How are you supposed to get that one terabyte

⏹️ ▶️ John of video off of that phone?

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco through the

⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey lightning

⏹️ ▶️ John connector at USB 2.0 speeds? Because I didn’t see anything in the presentation that told me it would be fast,

⏹️ ▶️ John there’s some faster connection. It’s not USB-C, there’s not Thunderbolt. I guess you could use Wi-Fi, maybe

⏹️ ▶️ John 5G is your fastest option to get that

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco data off that phone. Hey Casey,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco how good is image capture these days?

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Oh gosh, I only use image capture for deletion on certain stuff. I use photos

⏹️ ▶️ Casey to import, it’s a mess.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, Marco So would

⏹️ ▶️ Marco AirDrop be the fastest? That’s exactly

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John what I was gonna say. and transform

⏹️ ▶️ John it? I think, is 5G faster than Wi-Fi 6? Ah. Like if you’re by a

⏹️ ▶️ John millimeter wave station thing?

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Well, but AirDrop doesn’t use Wi-Fi in infrastructure mode. Doesn’t it make a temporary

⏹️ ▶️ Marco peer-to-peer connection? So at the distances that AirDrop would be working, it’s probably very fast. Like it

⏹️ ▶️ Marco probably maxes out whatever the

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John original Wi-Fi is. But

⏹️ ▶️ John then again, how long does it take to AirDrop, well, like 800 gigs worth of video?

⏹️ ▶️ John Like will it give up in the middle? What I’m saying is that, you know, so they brought out these big name Hollywood

⏹️ ▶️ John directors to show that, you know, this phone is great and you can do all this stuff with focus and we can make these little fun

⏹️ ▶️ John scenes or whatever. I don’t know, whatever. It’s just a promotional thing. But that said, people

⏹️ ▶️ John have made entire feature films only with iPhones many years ago. I think Steven Soderbergh did

⏹️ ▶️ John an entire movie, which I watched and it was fine. And you would never have known the entire movie was

⏹️ ▶️ John made with an iPhone if someone hadn’t told you that conceit. Now, it’s not gonna, you know, this was many

⏹️ ▶️ John years ago, so it didn’t look close to as good as this footage they’re showing here, but it was fine

⏹️ ▶️ John for like an indie movie that you’re watching, right? So the idea that the iPhone is good enough to shoot a movie

⏹️ ▶️ John with is true. It’s been done, right? But I’m not sure that their

⏹️ ▶️ John demonstration of saying like, now finally with these new features in the iPhone 13 Pro,

⏹️ ▶️ John the ability to record ProRes and, you know, the various video effects, this somehow

⏹️ ▶️ John changes the equation for using an iPhone to shoot movies.

⏹️ ▶️ John It’s exactly as possible as it has always been. This does not change the game. And this

⏹️ ▶️ John phone, you know, it’s great. iPhones have always been great for shooting video and it continues to be,

⏹️ ▶️ John but it is not a better professional tool. I think the biggest weakness that it has

⏹️ ▶️ John is how do you get, you know, what’s the IO, right? How do you, you know, it’s got a terabyte, you know,

⏹️ ▶️ John It can record ProRes, but not at the maximum resolution and speed that it can shoot the other things. It’s got a lot

⏹️ ▶️ John of storage, but you can’t get the data on and off of it. So this promotion

⏹️ ▶️ John I felt like was slightly misguided and maybe misrepresenting is like now, suddenly the iPhone is an amazing professional

⏹️ ▶️ John tool. It’s as good as it’s ever been. It’s a great phone for recording video, but it doesn’t

⏹️ ▶️ John make it, if you weren’t previously considering an iPhone

⏹️ ▶️ John for shooting your movie or whatever, Nothing about this phone should make you change your mind.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Nevertheless, I’m excited. I really honestly am.

⏹️ ▶️ John Oh yeah, and don’t shoot your home movies in ProRes, please. Like you don’t want that or need it.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco So Quinn Nelson’s in the chat and he’s saying that the one terabyte phone, so a terabyte,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco if you’re shooting 4K 30 ProRes, only holds about four hours of video

⏹️ ▶️ Marco in a terabyte.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John Yeah,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco good

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John grief.

⏹️ ▶️ John And then how long will it take you to get that off? Yeah,

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco so don’t

⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey shoot ProRes.

⏹️ ▶️ John Don’t shoot your kids. Honestly, depending on what you want, aesthetically speaking, my suggestion would be

⏹️ ▶️ John that higher frame rates will serve you better. So yeah,

⏹️ ▶️ John pick a reasonable codec and go up to at least 60 frames per second and see how that goes for you.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah, there’s even a funny little note here on the spec page that, so ProRes video recording up to

⏹️ ▶️ Marco 4K30, but if you buy the smallest phone, the 128 gig, they won’t even

⏹️ ▶️ Marco let you shoot 4K30. They’ll only let you shoot 1080p. That 30 frames. In ProRes.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, Casey Like in other

⏹️ ▶️ Marco formats you can do whatever you want, but in ProRes because it’s so big.

⏹️ ▶️ John And the thing is like these, we’re talking about this now, right? But fast forward five, 10 years,

⏹️ ▶️ John kind of like we’ve done with audio, the hardware will eventually catch up to both the standards

⏹️ ▶️ John that we use for media and human perception, right? That happened a little while

⏹️ ▶️ John ago with audio where there’s no longer any demand for, we’ve talked about this in past shows,

⏹️ ▶️ John for higher res audio formats outside of very narrow interest groups, let’s say.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco But John, I can hear the copper coated ethernet cable differences in my DAC.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John Mm-hmm. It’s like, you know,

⏹️ ▶️ John I’m not even saying that we have the current correct compromise in terms of bit rates of the audio

⏹️ ▶️ John that we listen to, because we probably don’t, and Bluetooth could be better, and so on and so forth. But we’ve definitely passed

⏹️ ▶️ John the point where we definitely have diminishing returns, right? Video, that’s not true. Video,

⏹️ ▶️ John you know, television has just recently made the switch to 4K. It’s plausible that televisions, just to try

⏹️ ▶️ John to sell more of them, will make a switch to 8K in the future, especially as screens get cheaper at larger sizes. 8K might

⏹️ ▶️ John come worthwhile. As those standards advance, so too will our technology advance. Right now,

⏹️ ▶️ John our phones can’t do 120 frames per second, 4K ProRes, right?

⏹️ ▶️ John But eventually, not even a very infinite timeline, 10, 15, 20 years, the

⏹️ ▶️ John video will probably taper off because within the normal household, even if your entire wall is a

⏹️ ▶️ John screen, 16K is probably plenty for that, right? And eventually your smartphone,

⏹️ ▶️ John assuming Moore’s law keeps going for just a little bit longer, Moore’s law, your smartphone will be able

⏹️ ▶️ John to shoot 16K 240 frames per second HDR, with

⏹️ ▶️ John depth data captured or whatever. After that happens, and storage keeps going

⏹️ ▶️ John up and up, like you get to a point where like audio, it’s like, oh, I wish I had a bigger

⏹️ ▶️ John phone so I could have more music. Most people don’t think that because these phones are so huge and most people don’t have 700,000 song collections,

⏹️ ▶️ John right? We’ll get there with video someday, but today

⏹️ ▶️ John is not that day. Today is the day when Apple won’t even let you shoot ProWizard high and far, right? Because the storage isn’t

⏹️ ▶️ John enough, right? But I don’t want people to think this is gonna be an eternal chase. Our

⏹️ ▶️ John visual system is only so good. There’s only so much we can discern. Kind of like retina screens where, you know,

⏹️ ▶️ John 3X retina, I can’t wait until we have 20X retina. No, that’s pointless. It’s useless. We can’t see it, right?

⏹️ ▶️ John We’ve got the pixels almost small enough, I think. And now it’s just a matter of making them use less

⏹️ ▶️ John power, making them be brighter and darker with, you know, true blacks and all that other stuff. But no one is still chasing

⏹️ ▶️ John like, I would like a 7,000 DPI screen. It’s pointless. Like, and not just for old

⏹️ ▶️ John people like us, but children, like anybody, nobody’s, the human visual system is not that good. So

⏹️ ▶️ John the people who are alive today, I think we’ll eventually live to see audio and video

⏹️ ▶️ John standards and limits and performance sort of catch up to what humans find useful

⏹️ ▶️ John and then we will shift our technology efforts to other things. Maybe we’ll shift to AR, VR or something like that

⏹️ ▶️ John or whatever. But that’s what I thought about looking at this of like the phone can shoot ProRes.

⏹️ ▶️ John Right now you’re, what is it, Red? Is that the camera company that makes those really expensive cameras?

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco Yep,

⏹️ ▶️ John yep. And there’s like the Arri Alexa or whatever. where you have these cameras that cost as much as a car and they

⏹️ ▶️ John can do amazing things. Then you have the phones, which can do amazing things for a phone, but still not the same.

⏹️ ▶️ John And eventually, not that those things will converge, but eventually the difference between them won’t be

⏹️ ▶️ John that one of them can capture at higher resolution or higher frame rate. The difference will be like, you know, more about

⏹️ ▶️ John the quality of what it captures maybe, and much less about, you know,

⏹️ ▶️ John the specs, the frame rate and the size of the pixels.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey So.

Conclusions & themes

⏹️ ▶️ Casey So before we kind of wrap, I was thinking about the presentation

⏹️ ▶️ Casey and it was good. Like I don’t think anything about it was

⏹️ ▶️ Casey particularly remarkable to me. I don’t think any of the products released have me over the

⏹️ ▶️ Casey moon, which is fine. That’s not necessarily a bad thing. But it occurred to me, I don’t know if anyone

⏹️ ▶️ Casey else feels this way and I wonder if you guys feel this way, it definitely felt like an S year

⏹️ ▶️ Casey to me. It felt like, yeah, we’ve spec bumped everything. better. It’s definitely better.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey But I don’t think that there was anything revolutionary, which is fine. That’s okay. It doesn’t have to be revolutionary

⏹️ ▶️ Casey every year. But I was a little surprised. I almost feel like if I were,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey if I were in charge of naming these things, not necessarily because I’m trying to sell them, but because I’m trying to accurately

⏹️ ▶️ Casey represent what they are, I feel like this is definitely a 12 pro S or what have you,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey which is a terrible name, if I’m honest, but you know what I mean? Like it’s, it’s not, I don’t feel like these are

⏹️ ▶️ Casey dramatically different phones than what we got last year, particularly in the Pro line.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey It’s a spec bump, which is fine. I’m not complaining, but I don’t know. It’s just nothing

⏹️ ▶️ Casey about the presentation was, except I guess the iPad mini come to think of it, but other

⏹️ ▶️ Casey than that, nothing about the presentation other than the iPad mini was particularly

⏹️ ▶️ Casey like knock your socks off. Do you guys have that feeling as well? Let’s start with Marco, or am I just being a curmudgeon?

⏹️ ▶️ Marco No, I was even just thinking as you were starting the segment, like what would I say is the biggest jump? And I would

⏹️ ▶️ Marco say it’s the cameras and the phones, but the phones taken as

⏹️ ▶️ Marco a whole, I think you’re right. It is kind of, you know, quote an S-year, which is I know it’s that’s kind of a term that people throw

⏹️ ▶️ Marco around, you know, in a derogatory manner, but I think it’s kind

⏹️ ▶️ Marco of a fairly low S-year even. Like normally what an S-year typically

⏹️ ▶️ Marco means is the outside of the phone looks the same, but it gets major upgrades on the inside.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco That’s usually what happens

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John there.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco And I don’t even know if this got major upgrades on the inside necessarily. I mean, we’ll see, like maybe the screens are amazing,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco you know, because you can’t tell with a high frame rate screen how much that’s gonna affect

⏹️ ▶️ Marco you by watching a video presentation about it. Like that’s just never gonna, you’re not gonna know how it looks and feels

⏹️ ▶️ Marco in real life. So it’s possible once we get these phones that the screens really are incredible.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco But again, you’re only gonna get that difference on the Pro line. If you’re not looking to buy a Pro phone, I

⏹️ ▶️ Marco think it’s actually a pretty small year for you. Like if you’re looking at the Mini or the 12 or the 13 regular, I think

⏹️ ▶️ Marco that’s, it’s not a big deal,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I think, for those phones. And if I was not gonna probably jump to the Pro,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I wouldn’t be that excited about this upgrade from the 12 Mini to the 13 Mini. But that being

⏹️ ▶️ Marco said, again, most people don’t buy phones every year.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Only jerks like us do. So, and only two of us even, you know? So,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco you know, I think, you know, for most people, you know, you hear the same thing from all the tech podcasts. Well,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco certain things were a small upgrade this year, but it’s a big upgrade from the phone you have that’s two or three or four

⏹️ ▶️ Marco years old. So, you know, that’s, and that’s how most people buy phones. So it makes sense that, you know, this

⏹️ ▶️ Marco isn’t, it’s not that big of a deal when it’s not like a big jump year, but overall, this isn’t a big jump

⏹️ ▶️ Marco year, I think for the phone or the watch, the watch even seems smaller, you know, like as

⏹️ ▶️ Marco like, you know, how much it matters. The watch seems like an even more minor update

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John than the

⏹️ ▶️ Marco phone. But, you know, and part of this might be, you know, Apple’s putting on a good face,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco but they’re coming out of a global pandemic that really disrupted everybody’s work. And they’re in the middle

⏹️ ▶️ Marco of a severe, like chip and part shortage in the industry. Like I think the reason why

⏹️ ▶️ Marco they bought so many A15s, I actually disagree with John. I don’t think it’s because they’re putting the A15 a bunch of things,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I think it’s related to the chip shortage and they just had to like place a big order to, you know,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco handle that or navigate that in a responsible way. But you know, Apple’s trying to pretend like all this stuff isn’t going

⏹️ ▶️ Marco on and trying to keep up the same product release cycle that they’re like

⏹️ ▶️ Marco most companies I think would would possibly not be able to release a phone at the same

⏹️ ▶️ Marco time this year as they do every other year because things are so disrupted in the supply chain and everything else, but Apple

⏹️ ▶️ Marco did. But maybe they had to cut some stuff because they couldn’t get it done in time through all the stuff we’ve

⏹️ ▶️ Marco been going through. So I think that could be part of why this is kind of a minor year.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco And for everyone else out there who is kind of like meh about a lot of this stuff,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco well, good for you. If none of this stuff is really that important to you, you can save some money this year and not buy it. Steve

⏹️ ▶️ Casey McLaughlin

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, Marco No,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey no, no, no, no. I have to respectfully disagree with you. If you really are disappointed with the offerings this

⏹️ ▶️ Casey year, but you really want to have a similarly sized hole in your pocket, let me direct

⏹️ ▶️ Casey you first to

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, Marco slash ATP and

⏹️ ▶️ Casey subsequent to that, slash join, both of which would help you feel better

⏹️ ▶️ Casey and put that hole in your pocket that you so desperately yearn for.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Steve Lankford Agree. And yeah, create a hole in your pocket to reduce the hole in Casey’s pocket.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco But you know, so like overall, it looks like it’s a pretty minor year,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco but these are also really mature and kind of expensive product lines. And so, you

⏹️ ▶️ Marco know, in the same way that most Mac upgrades year to year are not that big, like,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco you know, whatever MacBook Pro they release one year, when you look at the one they release the year after,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco it’s usually not that different. It’s, you know, maybe five or 10% faster and

⏹️ ▶️ Marco has a couple of little, like, you know, nip and tuck kind of upgrades here and there, like, oh, we’ve got to make this thing a

⏹️ ▶️ Marco little bit better, maybe the speakers or the microphone are a little bit better or something like that. Like it’s that kind of upgrade,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco you know, for most Macs. iPads have now gotten similarly, you know, with the exception of like the mini,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco but like, you know, you look at the high end iPads. The iPad Pro has not changed that much in

⏹️ ▶️ Marco four years. It’s been, you know, I think we’re reaching maturity points on these products

⏹️ ▶️ Marco and they’re getting higher in price over time and so it’s natural to have longer upgrade

⏹️ ▶️ Marco cycles for pretty much everybody. And so when we have one of these years where it’s

⏹️ ▶️ Marco not that impressive overall, there are certain things about

⏹️ ▶️ Marco this that are very impressive, but the product as a whole, it’s not like a massive, like, oh my God, everyone has to go out

⏹️ ▶️ Marco and upgrade right now. But I think that’s okay, and I think it’s inevitable. So overall, to answer the actual

⏹️ ▶️ Marco question you asked, I think the iPad mini is the most exciting

⏹️ ▶️ Marco upgrade compared to what it’s replacing, which is funny, is probably of all

⏹️ ▶️ Marco the products they announced today, probably the least used one. Like it’s probably the one that the fewest people

⏹️ ▶️ Marco buy out of all these. But I think the camera system

⏹️ ▶️ Marco on the Pro phones in particular is probably the coolest and

⏹️ ▶️ Marco most impactful upgrade to the most people. So that I think, again, even though

⏹️ ▶️ Marco it’s not that big of a deal, like in other specs of the way things were upgraded or not upgraded,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I think that new camera system is gonna be quite something. So I’m very much looking forward to that.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Yep, John?

⏹️ ▶️ John I already defended the S year stuff before. I was basically saying like, yeah, it’s the same case on the outside, but like

⏹️ ▶️ John literally everything inside it is different. Totally different

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco system on a

⏹️ ▶️ John chip that’s better in all ways, granted not by a lot, but still better. A bigger battery, a totally different camera.

⏹️ ▶️ John I mean, maybe the Taptic Engine is the same, right? But like, that’s usually why the S years get a bad rap because people

⏹️ ▶️ John can just see what’s on the outside and what’s on the inside. Like I wouldn’t characterize it as a spec bump, a spec bump would

⏹️ ▶️ John be a faster A14 or more RAM on an A14. This is just all new inside and it’s better in all

⏹️ ▶️ John respects, right? The only thing that gives me pause this year in terms of an S year is what I would normally

⏹️ ▶️ John want out of an S year is everything like the non S year was, but everything is

⏹️ ▶️ John better, right? So it’s a new system on a chip that’s better. It’s a new camera that’s better, right? There’s more battery

⏹️ ▶️ John life, it has a bigger battery, right? Everything about it is like, you know, 5G is a good

⏹️ ▶️ John example. It was the first 5G phone last year. This year we can still have 5G, but it’ll be less battery

⏹️ ▶️ John hungry and less heat, you know, because we have better 5G modems this year. That’s what you want out of an S.

⏹️ ▶️ John And the one thing that is disappointing from an S year perspective this year

⏹️ ▶️ John is, ironically enough, the camera, simply because it’s so much physically bigger. And that doesn’t

⏹️ ▶️ John strike me as an S year thing. An S year thing would be, camera stays the same size and gets better,

⏹️ ▶️ John or camera actually shrinks and becomes slimmer or it becomes flush and gets better. It’s like, oh, last year

⏹️ ▶️ John we had to have such a big camera for this quality camera. Well, this year we made the bump smaller and the camera is a little bit better too.

⏹️ ▶️ John They didn’t do that. They went the opposite direction, which is maximum increase in camera. But

⏹️ ▶️ John it’s just, I mean, again, I haven’t seen one of these in person. I don’t know what it’s gonna be like with the cases, but it just looks,

⏹️ ▶️ John it looks a little bit awkward to me. And that is not something that I associate with an S year. I associate an S year with the

⏹️ ▶️ John refinement of all the features that we had last year. Like what I would expect is the non S year

⏹️ ▶️ John to have a gargantuan camera. And the S here, finally we figured out how to make that camera not quite as gargantuan

⏹️ ▶️ John while still giving you some quality improvement. And it seems like they went the other way, whereas the 12

⏹️ ▶️ John Pro camera is better than the predecessor, but not, I feel like this is a bigger leap

⏹️ ▶️ John camera-wise. So I think the camera is out of step with the S stuff. This is all predicated

⏹️ ▶️ John on my notion that the notch, not the notch, that the camera bump is actually gonna be

⏹️ ▶️ John big enough to be bothersome. Maybe I’m totally wrong about that a few millimeters doesn’t make a difference when we get these phones

⏹️ ▶️ John in physical hands, we’ll find out. But that’s the only thing that gives me pause. But other than that, I generally

⏹️ ▶️ John like the the s years, like I’m the cycle I’m on now is I get like the first of the new

⏹️ ▶️ John form factor, right? So I got the first flat sided phone, and I’m skipping this year, next year, presumably, I’ll

⏹️ ▶️ John get the first of whatever the next design is. And in some ways, like it’s exciting, you’re going to get the first of the new thing. But

⏹️ ▶️ John in other ways, I feel like Oh, but this is going to be the one with like the most compromises of this design, right?

⏹️ ▶️ John It’s like getting the iPhone 10, right? It’s the first one with face ID and

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco everything,

⏹️ ▶️ John but they’re going to refine that design and improve a lot about it in the subsequent generations. The first

⏹️ ▶️ John flat sided one has the five g modem that kills your battery, right? And maybe it’ll be better in the next generation.

⏹️ ▶️ John Um, so we’ll see, like, but, but this year I’m kind of, I’m actually kind of glad

⏹️ ▶️ John that I don’t, I can’t remember. I’m, I’m, I have camera phobia. I’m afraid of a camera

⏹️ ▶️ John that’s that big and that awkward on the thing. I love, I will love the pictures that it takes and my wife is going to get this this

⏹️ ▶️ John phone so I will have it in the house and be able to take pictures with it and I’ll be back into that mode that I’m so used to

⏹️ ▶️ John which is essentially every other year if we’re somewhere and I want to take a picture

⏹️ ▶️ John I almost feel like I need to ask my wife to borrow her phone because why don’t I use the best camera that we have

⏹️ ▶️ John with us we both have our iPhones I could take it on mine but mine is oh it’s a year

⏹️ ▶️ John old now and your camera will take it better but I’m you know I’m kind of glad

⏹️ ▶️ John that my camera is smaller and that my phone with a case on it sits flat on the table.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Thanks to our sponsors this week Squarespace, Mack Weldon, and Linode and thank you to our members

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Ending theme

⏹️ ▶️ John Now the show is over, they didn’t even mean to begin,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Cause it was accidental, oh it was accidental.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey John

⏹️ ▶️ John didn’t do any research, Marco and Casey wouldn’t let him, Cause it was

⏹️ ▶️ John accidental,

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⏹️ ▶️ John accidental,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey they didn’t

⏹️ ▶️ John mean to. Accidental, check podcast so long.

iPhone 12 exit interview

⏹️ ▶️ Marco So in previous years we have I came up with the idea a couple years back of doing like an exit

⏹️ ▶️ Marco interview of the outgoing phone right before it’s replaced so we should have done it last week

⏹️ ▶️ Marco and frankly we just forgot and I Remembered like during the

⏹️ ▶️ Marco edit of the show like the next morning. I’m like, ah crap We forgot to do the exit interview for the iPhone 12.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco So we decided to shove it here in the after show So we’re gonna give the iPhone 12 its

⏹️ ▶️ Marco exit interview after we’ve already hired its replacement, which is kind of unfair in

⏹️ ▶️ Marco certain ways. But I’m curious, you know, how are we feeling about our outbound

⏹️ ▶️ Marco iPhone 12s?

⏹️ ▶️ Casey You know, I think I covered this accidentally a little bit last episode and in

⏹️ ▶️ Casey some this episode. I really like my 12 Pro. I think it’s been a great phone. I

⏹️ ▶️ Casey love the midnight blue. I think it’s a great look. Going caseless on it as has been covered

⏹️ ▶️ Casey many, many times was a complete mistake and I deeply regret it. I do have AppleCare Plus on it, but still

⏹️ ▶️ Casey I shouldn’t have done that. I don’t mind the fingerprinty sides that you had mentioned earlier this episode.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey They are fingerprinty, I’m not denying that, but it’s never really bothered me like it seems to have bothered you.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey The cameras are great. The screen I maintain, and again, this is probably

⏹️ ▶️ Casey user error at least in part, but the screen has been scratched, smithereens.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey I feel like I’ve been saying this the last couple of years and hey, look what the common denominator is. Hi, but

⏹️ ▶️ Casey the screen I would wish was not so scratchy and I’ve wished the back was a little more durable,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey but by and large, it’s a really great phone. It doesn’t feel slow to me at this point.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey I personally don’t have a problem with face ID. That’s probably because I am an Apple Watch user. So

⏹️ ▶️ Casey even if I have a mask on, the watch, you know, 80%, 80 to 90% of the time will unlock

⏹️ ▶️ Casey for me. I really do like this phone quite

⏹️ ▶️ Casey a lot. The notch is obviously old news. Hey, getting smaller is great, but I don’t find that the

⏹️ ▶️ Casey notch is bothersome at this point. I don’t know. I never really experienced

⏹️ ▶️ Casey 5G because I’m on an old enough AT&T plan that they’re jerks and won’t give it to

⏹️ ▶️ Casey me, which is part of the reason why I think I might be switching to Verizon soon, but that’s a discussion for another night.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey I like this phone a lot. It’s one of my favorites. I love the flat sides, even though the 11

⏹️ ▶️ Casey was arguably a little more comfortable in hand aesthetically. It’s, I freaking love the look

⏹️ ▶️ Casey of these flat sides. And so, yeah, I mean, I wish it was USB-C, just like I wish the 13 was

⏹️ ▶️ Casey USB-C, just for consistency’s sake. But by and large, I really, really, really like this phone. I really think

⏹️ ▶️ Casey it’s a great phone.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah, I largely feel the same. I don’t have a lot of problems

⏹️ ▶️ Marco with my 12 mini. The ones I do have, I think, are inherent to the mini size.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco You know, I really wish I had the telephoto camera in retrospect, like

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I do miss that. It’s not like an absolute deal killer, but I do miss it. And

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I also wish the battery life was better. I have improved the battery life a little bit by disabling

⏹️ ▶️ Marco 5G by some recommendations from people. It has helped a little bit, not a ton. I don’t know

⏹️ ▶️ Marco how much of a benefit it really honestly has. It could just be, you know, placebo or coincidence.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco So, ultimately what I want for my next phone is

⏹️ ▶️ Marco more reach on the camera system and a bigger battery. And that’s why I think I’m going pro this year

⏹️ ▶️ Marco because I’ll be getting that. But otherwise, I actually have not had problems with the screen

⏹️ ▶️ Marco scratching. I have dropped it a couple of times on concrete and then I scratched the aluminum edge

⏹️ ▶️ Marco on the corners here and there. But otherwise, and that’s my fault, obviously.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Otherwise, it has held up very well. I haven’t had any of the deep screen scratching problems that other people have had

⏹️ ▶️ Marco sometimes. And feature-wise, it’s fast and

⏹️ ▶️ Marco it’s fine. If you bought an iPhone 12 or 12 mini last year and

⏹️ ▶️ Marco you don’t really wanna upgrade, I don’t think you’re missing much by not upgrading. I think the 12 mini and the 12 are still,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco and the 12 Pro, I think those are still great phones by today’s standards and

⏹️ ▶️ Marco they’re going to continue to be great for a while. So if you dropped a whole bunch of money on one last year,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I don’t think you need to upgrade. I really don’t. I think it’s, upgrading here is only for jerks like us who

⏹️ ▶️ Marco just want the latest and greatest all the time and are willing to set money on fire. But otherwise,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, Casey like-

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Excuse me, it’s for my work.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah, right, that’s what we all say. You notice how all podcasters say, I have to get this new

⏹️ ▶️ Marco thing so I can talk about it on the show. And then how much do we talk about it? Like five minutes?

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Like it’s not, we don’t have to get it. We get it, it’s a wonderful excuse we all use

⏹️ ▶️ Marco to get the new shiny thing. None of us have to get it for our work. that’s never a thing that any of

⏹️ ▶️ Marco us have because we talk about stuff we don’t have all the time. So like, obviously we don’t

⏹️ ▶️ Marco need to get these things for our work.

⏹️ ▶️ John I needed to get the Mac Pro for my work. I think we can all agree on that.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco You need to get the Mac Pro for like karmic justice.

⏹️ ▶️ John I talked about it for more than five minutes. I talked

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco about

⏹️ ▶️ John it

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco for 10

⏹️ ▶️ John years.

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco Yeah, exactly. You know, that’s,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco yeah. But like, but you could have, and we have, and did talk about it without buying it or before you bought

⏹️ ▶️ Marco it. Like, you know, we don’t need to buy these things to talk about them. because we like to and

⏹️ ▶️ Marco we can, and that’s our joy in life. Other people buy expensive sweaters,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco we buy phones every year. Like that’s just, that’s

⏹️ ▶️ John what we do. People buy expensive sweaters? I thought you were gonna say watches. I was right there, but. I get sweaters too.

⏹️ ▶️ John Yeah, people spend slash waste

⏹️ ▶️ Marco their money on all sorts of garbage. So, you know, we do it on phones every year. That’s what we do.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco And if you don’t like it, well, you know, I’m sorry. So the 12 Pro that I’ve got,

⏹️ ▶️ John I mean, I’ve already talked about it. I like that it has a way better

⏹️ ▶️ John camera than my two-year-old phone. What was, what did I replace it with? 10S, I guess?

⏹️ ▶️ John Yeah, 10S. This is the phone that got me off the pouch. I do not use a pouch

⏹️ ▶️ John anymore. I have a pouch that fits this, and I was using it, well, this plus COVID, I think, really, because I wasn’t

⏹️ ▶️ John leaving the house ever, and I only used the pouch when I left the house. And eventually the pouch just found

⏹️ ▶️ John its way into deep storage, and then I would leave the house and not have the pouch

⏹️ ▶️ John and just I’m off the pouch. So this is not, I just put it directly in my pocket, you know,

⏹️ ▶️ John screen side facing my body as you do. And it’s been fine. And I understand

⏹️ ▶️ John the scratchiness and I believe that the screen probably shows, I’m gonna say this,

⏹️ ▶️ John the 12 Pro screen shows light scratches maybe more than some previous phones. But

⏹️ ▶️ John I personally don’t have anything discernible except for maybe one

⏹️ ▶️ John super light, No, I can’t even see it anymore. Maybe it was not a real scratch, maybe it was just some

⏹️ ▶️ John schmutz or something. But like, my thing is pretty pristine. Obviously I take very careful with my phone

⏹️ ▶️ John or whatever, but this is no pouch. I’m just putting it in pockets. And if there’s any grit in those pockets, so I don’t know what Casey’s

⏹️ ▶️ John doing other than just dropping his phone constantly and putting in bags with sand and shaking it up. How’d

⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey you know?

⏹️ ▶️ John So I’m willing to believe that this surface like essentially scratches more easily, but I think the kinds of scratches

⏹️ ▶️ John that we’re talking about here are essentially cosmetic and you can mostly only see them

⏹️ ▶️ John when the screen is off or black, and that they’re not the type of thing that you would feel with your

⏹️ ▶️ John finger that it constitute actual damage. So I don’t, I’m not, what I can say is for me, whatever trade-off

⏹️ ▶️ John Apple has been making with this phone, which I have dropped onto the floor multiple times, granted it’s been a wooden

⏹️ ▶️ John floor and sometimes a carpeted floor, but I have dropped it. So whatever compromise they made in terms of scratchability

⏹️ ▶️ John versus breakability, whatever, I’m happy with the compromise of this phone. One thing I’m not happy, and I’m happy with the flat sides,

⏹️ ▶️ John The one thing I’m not happy with was their move to cases that cover the bottom lip because I think that’s

⏹️ ▶️ John just a terrible idea in a phone that you swipe up from the bottom to unlock. So I had to go on that little hunt that we

⏹️ ▶️ John talked about earlier in the year to find a non-Apple case, non-Apple case that I liked

⏹️ ▶️ John that had the lip on the bottom, which probably means that, you know, next year when I get

⏹️ ▶️ John my new phone again, I’m gonna have to go on that same saga for the iPhone 14 because Apple will continue to sell

⏹️ ▶️ John cases that don’t have the thing open on the bottom. Having owned this phone for about a year with

⏹️ ▶️ John the opening on the bottom, it’s been fine. Nothing’s wrong with it. It’s not like the bottom gets damaged or whatever and I like

⏹️ ▶️ John it so much better than I had the Apple Silicon case that had the lip. I like it so much better swiping up from the bottom

⏹️ ▶️ John with no lip there. Battery life has been fine. Again, I don’t really leave the house

⏹️ ▶️ John that much, but it’s a big step up from the XS. So overall, this is

⏹️ ▶️ John one of my favorite phones that I’ve had. Like I have, the previous phone that I think

⏹️ ▶️ John that I had as much affection for is this one is the 7. Cause I felt like the 7 was kind of the pinnacle of that

⏹️ ▶️ John design, the kind of lodging shaped thing at the last Touch ID phone. The 7 was just really

⏹️ ▶️ John perfected that form. And this is the first iteration of this flat sided thing. And I think it did pretty

⏹️ ▶️ John well with the, you know, setting aside those caveats. So I’ve been happy with it. I think it’s great.

⏹️ ▶️ John And like I said, I’m kind of glad that I don’t have to have the stress over, oh, do I

⏹️ ▶️ John desperately want the 13 pro camera, but I’m afraid of the size of the bump.

⏹️ ▶️ John And like, I don’t have any of that stress because I’m just gonna stick with my 12 Pro and let my wife get that camera. And she doesn’t

⏹️ ▶️ John care about the bump because, well, what I have to worry about for her is she doesn’t care about the bump because she constantly uses a battery case

⏹️ ▶️ John because her phone is just a Pokemon Go console and Pokemon Go destroys your battery.

⏹️ ▶️ John So her phone is useless without a giant battery case. Ah, but the 13 Pro does not have

⏹️ ▶️ John a giant battery case from Apple. It has that stupid stick-on thing which has not enough battery capacity to withstand

⏹️ ▶️ John the Pokemoning that she will do. So I think she’s probably gonna have to end up buying a third party

⏹️ ▶️ John iPhone 13 Pro battery case, which will make her phone even more gargantuan. And maybe

⏹️ ▶️ John once you have that thing on it, the size of the camera bump is the least of your concerns because it’s just a gigantic

⏹️ ▶️ John heavy bar of soap. So she’ll probably be fine with it and like it. And I will steal it from her to take pictures with that really awesome

⏹️ ▶️ John camera system. but I am happy to wait for the 14 now.