332: Fuzzy Muppet Felt
27 Jun 2019Discovering that wheels are useful, working through a mid-life headphone crisis, the 16-inch rumor, and a special message about installing the betas.
Episode Description:
- Pre-show: Marco's new beach toy
- Follow-up:
- Ricky Mondello on Sign In with Apple
- macOS app-removal bets: #287: Open-Faced Compliment Sandwich (Overcast timestamp link)
- Marco's spirit walk
- Rumored 16" MacBook Pro
#askatp:- Would Apple re-implement Target Display Mode on the 5K iMac? (via Jack Frydai)
- What software does Marco use to manage servers? (via Chris Hubbard)
- What do we think about people listening at higher speeds than 1x? (via Jospeh Dijkstra)
- Post-show: 🚨 Do not install the betas! 🚨
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Chapters
- 🏖 Beach mode 🖥
- Follow-up: Sign In with Apple
- Catalina removal bets
- Sponsor: Hover
- Mid-life headphone crisis
- Sponsor: Fracture
- 16” MBP resolution
- Sponsor: Squarespace (code ATP)
- #askatp: Target Display Mode
- #askatp: cPanel, etc.
- #askatp: Sped-up podcasts
- Ending theme
- Don’t install the betas!
🏖 Beach mode 🖥
⏹️ ▶️ Marco yeah this is its beach set up soever
⏹️ ▶️ Casey it’s like still the imac
⏹️ ▶️ Marco pro did you use your fancy carrying case again not only did i use my fancy carrying case but i took
⏹️ ▶️ Marco underscores recommendation and added for thirty five dollars a wheeled
⏹️ ▶️ Marco dolly to it also known as a hand truck and cause you can get like foldable
⏹️ ▶️ Marco light duty ones that weigh like six pounds and fold up to be all flat and compact for like thirty
⏹️ ▶️ Marco five bucks on amazon so i got one of those i carried it on the boat with with the dolly like in
⏹️ ▶️ Marco the pocket when it came time to carry it off the boat and walk it to the house like a half mile away
⏹️ ▶️ Marco i just stuck the wheels on
⏹️ ▶️ John you discover our luggage dollies is that what i’m coming in the middle
⏹️ ▶️ John yes yes i discovered dollies i use that one i think i described using that to take my thunderbolt
⏹️ ▶️ John twenty seven inch thunderbolt display to and from the apple store like three times remember when i had to do that
⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco yeah like now like if i
⏹️ ▶️ Marco have to take my back in again like as cause you know i took my mac in once before for the image attention stuff that i had
⏹️ ▶️ Marco for the previous imac now i will definitely use this for that as well like this this
⏹️ ▶️ Marco has now made my ridiculous imac carrying case a lot more useful
⏹️ ▶️ Marco because it’s just a simple you know two i didn’t even get the big four wheel kind just the basic two wheel
⏹️ ▶️ Marco kind so it would fold up nice and nice and small and it would be pretty lightweight itself i didn’t want like you know
⏹️ ▶️ Marco an extra thirteen pounds of metal for just this thing to make it easier for me to carry something like something
⏹️ ▶️ Marco smaller and lighter was good but yeah i made it a million times easier so now i’m even
⏹️ ▶️ Marco more a fan of the solution of bringing my imac to the beach with wheels now
⏹️ ▶️ Marco and i’m i’m even less leaning in the direction of a mac pro now because the
⏹️ ▶️ Marco imac pro is proving to be such a good solution
⏹️ ▶️ John you didn’t even need the fancy case there’s like i think actually the original box if you still had it
⏹️ ▶️ John is even better because it’s it’s like stiff you know so it’ll it’s good at what i would use is have the little like
⏹️ ▶️ John bungee cords or whatever to wrap over the front of the thing you know
⏹️ ▶️ Marco just actually i have the original box i didn’t bring it but i do have it i also
⏹️ ▶️ Marco i also bought a bunch of bungee cords but i didn’t actually need them and i sent them home with an ext bag because
⏹️ ▶️ Marco i uh because the carrying case has straps like it has like a shoulder strap and if i made it i
⏹️ ▶️ Marco made the shoulder strap as small as it goes and that was basically a perfect strap to go over the handle of the
⏹️ ▶️ Marco dolly so but it was very secure it didn’t wiggle or you know try to fall off at
⏹️ ▶️ John all just so we don’t get a million corrections we should say
⏹️ ▶️ John that dollies have four wheels and hand trucks have two
⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco okay so what i have is
⏹️ ▶️ John what i have is a hand truck but i think everyone just calls them dollies and we all know what we’re talking about but the peasants
⏹️ ▶️ John will be out and say technically that’s a hand truck can you did you put an art put a link to your
⏹️ ▶️ John thing because when we’re talking about things for luggage size it’s different than the other thing anyway but so maybe they have
⏹️ ▶️ John a different name when they’re
⏹️ ▶️ Marco small it was it was the one that amazon said was the best one
⏹️ ▶️ John mine is like super old i think it’s mine is from the days before luggage had wheels do you guys remember that or you
⏹️ ▶️ John old enough to remember before luggage had wheels
⏹️ ▶️ Marco yeah i didn’t have wheeled luggage until a few years ago a few
⏹️ ▶️ John years ago anyway i thought the real luggage came in sometime around my childhood but before that
⏹️ ▶️ John we had tons of suitcases that just had one handle on one side of them and that’s it
⏹️ ▶️ John oh these are very fancy you know yeah
⏹️ ▶️ Marco this is the magna cart personal a hundred fifty pound capacity aluminum folding hand truck black and red twenty
⏹️ ▶️ Marco ninety nine and it only weighs about six pounds it’s great and a it collapses it’s a really
⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John nice way but
⏹️ ▶️ John that’s way more complicated than the what i have what i have is like one half the number of parts but
⏹️ ▶️ John same thing it’s a metal frame with with a fold down flap into wheels so it’s not not much to it
⏹️ ▶️ Marco and the wheels are rubberized so like it moves really nicely like it’s it’s i was surprised how nice it
⏹️ ▶️ Marco was for how little it weighed and how little it cost
⏹️ ▶️ Casey well i am glad that you are in paradise on your beloved computer you really
⏹️ ▶️ Casey think you’re not going to buy at least one mac pro
⏹️ ▶️ Marco i mean look never say never but and some people have suggested what
⏹️ ▶️ Marco seems like an obvious idea is leave the imac pro at the beach and buy a new
⏹️ ▶️ Marco mac pro for home and that’s like i can you know if i really want to do
⏹️ ▶️ Marco that like i could do that but it just seems wasteful it seems like it’s like
⏹️ ▶️ John having two houses only one of which you live in you
⏹️ ▶️ John or you’re worried about the mac the having two macs
⏹️ ▶️ Marco but like i love you it seems wasteful to buy something that has such a limited life span as
⏹️ ▶️ Marco a computer and to only use it like three months a year i
⏹️ ▶️ John think your real problem is like the reason it’s so great for you to bring it is you take your computer that you were just using
⏹️ ▶️ John yesterday you put it on a little dolly slash hand truck and you set it up it’s like you pick up right where you left off
⏹️ ▶️ John whereas if we were sitting in the other house it would be like well it doesn’t like have all my stuff in all my state
⏹️ ▶️ John then you could try to do my clouds sinking and put your project into dropbox or whatever but like it’ll never be the same as like
⏹️ ▶️ John this is the exact computer i was using yesterday and now i just turn it on in a new location and resume my work
⏹️ ▶️ John so there’s the sinking disadvantage because apple has not yet fully embraced the idea that
⏹️ ▶️ John the computer is an empty shell and you log in and all your state gets pulled down from the network they’re getting
⏹️ ▶️ John closer to that but they’re not there yet exactly
⏹️ ▶️ Marco and that’s like i mean this is why like i me look that’s why everybody uses laptops right because like if you’re willing
⏹️ ▶️ Marco to if you’re willing to tolerate like it turns out we already have a kind of computer can you can bring everywhere you go and it’s
⏹️ ▶️ Marco and it’s always the same computer but laptops are garbage we already know that but yes yes laughter garbage
⏹️ ▶️ Casey, Marco thinking to
⏹️ ▶️ Casey myself earlier today actually that i wonder even though i really love my imac
⏹️ ▶️ Casey which is it’s like three years old now when was this it’s a five k twenty
⏹️ ▶️ Casey seven inch late twenty fifteen and i think i bought it early early early twenty sixteen anyways i was thinking
⏹️ ▶️ Casey to myself earlier today i wonder if i should just get myself a brand new laptop because i feel like
⏹️ ▶️ Casey i really want to replace the adorable cause it’s it was slow when i bought it and it’s getting real bad now and
⏹️ ▶️ Casey the imac is fine but it’s getting a little long in the tooth maybe i should just go back
⏹️ ▶️ Casey to the laptop with you know an external display on the desk and what
⏹️ ▶️ Casey external display well that’s the problem
⏹️ ▶️ Casey, John if one question
⏹️ ▶️ Casey is what external display and i don’t have a good answer for you there but i don’t know like
⏹️ ▶️ Casey i do really like having the imac here at the desk and i feel
⏹️ ▶️ Casey like with dropbox and github and and so many other online services these days and gmail
⏹️ ▶️ Casey or you know an equivalent it’s so easy to manage multiple computers in a way that
⏹️ ▶️ Casey it’s never been easy before and yet i still kind of miss having
⏹️ ▶️ Casey just the one computer that is everything well not to everyone it’s
⏹️ ▶️ Casey just me but everything to everyone so to speak you know and i don’t know at the moment i’m not
⏹️ ▶️ Casey upgrading anything but i can’t help but wonder you know the the laptop only life is calling
⏹️ ▶️ Casey to me a little bit and i think the thing that’s going to stop me from going there is to your point the display i just don’t have a good
⏹️ ▶️ Marco we on also like like when you’re in that world like you know i spent a long time using using a laptop as my only
⏹️ ▶️ Marco computer or at least my primary one for a very long time and it was it was great especially in
⏹️ ▶️ Marco that way like i didn’t have to worry about sinking and everything and transferring files and making sure all my settings were the
⏹️ ▶️ Marco same and applications for the same like all that stuff it’s a pain that much of which is still a pain
⏹️ ▶️ Marco today i had to wear about none of that but then like my computer had to go in for service
⏹️ ▶️ Marco and i just didn’t have a computer for like a week like here there are problems like
⏹️ ▶️ Marco that that come up too and and when you’re using a laptop as a desktop you were into the problems of doing
⏹️ ▶️ Marco that you are into things like the unreliability of extra monitor usage and if you want
⏹️ ▶️ Marco to use it in clamshell motor things like wake from sleep are frequently unreliable and and
⏹️ ▶️ Marco you have issues with noise when you when you’re running out really hot you know really hard you’re going to hear that fan spin up
⏹️ ▶️ Marco and so it just there’s there’s just problems with using laptops that way some of which are
⏹️ ▶️ Marco better these days like things like dropbox and icloud sing some of which are worse like i think
⏹️ ▶️ Marco the laptops today are less reliable than ever when it comes to external monitor usage
⏹️ ▶️ Marco and the number of good external monitors to buy is lower than ever
⏹️ ▶️ John one of the other fun pipe dreams along with the modular mac that’s
⏹️ ▶️ John made of a bunch of stackable components that connect together is the idea i think it’s started or started getting
⏹️ ▶️ John gang steam back in the ipo ipod era the idea that you have some small
⏹️ ▶️ John thing that you carry with you today would be a phone back then it was an ipod you could even imagine is just like an external
⏹️ ▶️ John ssd or something that contains all of your state essentially this is like before
⏹️ ▶️ John cloud computing was popularized just like it’s like your hard drive your boot disk all your
⏹️ ▶️ John info and you just go from station to station whether it be a desktop station with a big monitor and
⏹️ ▶️ John a keyboard and a mouse or a laptop or whatever and you plug in your ipod
⏹️ ▶️ John your phone your external drive and there’s all your stuff and so
⏹️ ▶️ John you carry the state with you in this little box but you’re able to use whatever the best computing set
⏹️ ▶️ John up is for you it’s you know dockable laptops are similar to that in hotel ng situations and
⏹️ ▶️ John companies and stuff but that fantasy that like my entire world will be on
⏹️ ▶️ John my phone and i’ll just sit down in front of my computer and wirelessly the phone will display onto a giant twenty seven inch display
⏹️ ▶️ John and all the stuff like that that’s right up there with with the modular mackin for various reasons
⏹️ ▶️ John we’re not quite there technologically speaking but you can pull jason snell he posted a picture the other day
⏹️ ▶️ John like an external drive duck tape to the back of his display on his laptop like have you
⏹️ ▶️ John just carried a boot drive with you you could boot an imac from that external
⏹️ ▶️ John drive in hollow all your state like say it’s a one terabyte ssd in a very small case and then you could connect it to your laptop
⏹️ ▶️ John when you’re on the go and boot from that and have it taped to the back of your display or something so it’s not dangling off
⏹️ ▶️ John or whatever and you still have basically a portable computer that is to like marcos imac pro it’s like on
⏹️ ▶️ John the same computer as you had before although course all your windows will be screwed up by constantly changing screen
⏹️ ▶️ John resolution but that doesn’t bother you there you go ah so you can’t
⏹️ ▶️ John approximate that with an external drive today can’t do it with the phone certainly can’t do it with an i pad i pod
⏹️ ▶️ John but the problem is okay well what if i don’t want to tape it to the back of my display i really want to use a laptop with
⏹️ ▶️ John a thing dangling off of it that i can’t disconnect because it is the boot drive and you know as fast as u s b
⏹️ ▶️ John c is it’s not as fast as an internalized as these you’re taking a speed hit there too and it would be kind of wasteful
⏹️ ▶️ John to buy and imac would always boot from some other thing you know so it’s you can do it today
⏹️ ▶️ John but it’s a compromise but i think that is one of one of the dreams obviously the better version of that is i
⏹️ ▶️ John don’t carry anything with me and all my stuff is in the cloud but the realities of data transfer rates
⏹️ ▶️ John and waiting for things to sink and the reliability of that and the fact that it’s not really done systemwide
⏹️ ▶️ John than anything except for chrome s a means that bristle a little bit away
⏹️ ▶️ John farther away from that dream i think that dream is closer than the crazy modular computer made of
⏹️ ▶️ John building blocks that you snap together um but it may come to pass eventually
⏹️ ▶️ John and then then we will finally be freed from these form factor and state decisions that haunt
Follow-up: Sign In with Apple
⏹️ ▶️ Casey i’d let’s start with some follow up so friend of the show ricky mondello had written in with regard to what
⏹️ ▶️ Casey marco was talking about last episode with regard to overcast and signing and things
⏹️ ▶️ Casey like that so they had some tips with regard to what to do or some thoughts or suggestions
⏹️ ▶️ Casey so marco can you recap that for me please
⏹️ ▶️ Marco yeah so they pointed out what john had said last episode that he expected was the case
⏹️ ▶️ Marco which clarified that yes by default signin with apple does not give name and email
⏹️ ▶️ Marco info aps have to explicitly opt in i think the direction i’m going to go
⏹️ ▶️ Marco is what john recommended towards the end when i said he was frustratingly correct of
⏹️ ▶️ Marco basically use the current key value store that i’m using i’m mostly
⏹️ ▶️ Marco going to make it support multiple entries that at that point two multiple
⏹️ ▶️ Marco anonymous accounts on overcast saint with any apple id could then become multiple
⏹️ ▶️ Marco and any number of anonymous overcast accounts and then you will just be prompted with them at the login screen
⏹️ ▶️ Marco and you could pick which one and maybe i can show you like this is from the device called marquis phone that has you know these three
⏹️ ▶️ Marco podcasts as the top podcast in ours you know somehow make it easy for you to to detect which one is the
⏹️ ▶️ Marco right one maybe like a last logged in day or something like that maybe i could use signing with apple just on the web
⏹️ ▶️ Marco and have it associate with these things i have no idea but i have i have a lot of options here
⏹️ ▶️ Marco and so i still haven’t had time to actually explore these options this summer i’ve been doing a lot of other
⏹️ ▶️ Marco stuff server stuff technical debt stuff moving my entire life to the beach et cetera
⏹️ ▶️ Marco i’m working on it fair
Catalina removal bets
⏹️ ▶️ Casey all right and then hash rashad writes and catalina grapher is gone along with
⏹️ ▶️ Casey dashboard sargon i blame you guys for minding apple of grapher a remote
⏹️ ▶️ Casey disk and chess are still there and somebody who is not supposed to do homework
⏹️ ▶️ Casey actually did some very helpful homeworks to thank you john
⏹️ ▶️ John will hasher provided the timestamp link of our previous discussion this well firs of all he’s wrong grapher is actually
⏹️ ▶️ John still there so oh so much for that but anyway i did it was worth revisiting it was back in episode
⏹️ ▶️ John two eighty seven open face compliment sandwich or someone asks in an
⏹️ ▶️ John asked ant p question i was like which one of these two things you will you think do you think will be removed first
⏹️ ▶️ John and so we had a couple of pairings here and the first one was which one will go first dashboard a remote disk
⏹️ ▶️ John and casey and i said dashboard and markets had a remote disk and it turns out dashboard is gone and catalina
⏹️ ▶️ John so we were right but the reason i did this is because i thought grapher was gone too but i’m like you know what let me double check
⏹️ ▶️ John this let me actually look in catalina and sure enough grapher is still there so we have no decision on chess
⏹️ ▶️ John versus grapher and we have no decision on d v d player versus open jail because dvd player
⏹️ ▶️ John and open jail and chess and grape are all in catalina but we will keep you posted as new versions
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Mid-life headphone crisis
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⏹️ ▶️ Casey marco tell me you have some new toys other than your hand truck that you
⏹️ ▶️ Casey i have been able to play with so what’s going on there
⏹️ ▶️ Marco i’ve been going through kind of like the most boring midlife crisis that were like a
⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John improvement phase
⏹️ ▶️ Marco basically trying to improve limitations and things about myself that i wasn’t happy
⏹️ ▶️ Marco with i’ve been exercising more dieting better i learned to swim last month
⏹️ ▶️ Marco for the first time ever and that was a big you’re you’re preparing for the ocean that’s
⏹️ ▶️ Marco yep yep i taught myself to like seafood oh
⏹️ ▶️ Casey well almost slow down tell me
⏹️ ▶️ John that was last summer we talked about this case
⏹️ ▶️ Casey pay attention oh right
⏹️ ▶️ Marco i started it last summer i’ve been working on it throughout the winter also like i added sushi to to my palette
⏹️ ▶️ Marco, Casey i still don’t like all
⏹️ ▶️ Marco seafood but i’m working on more this summer because i’m in a place that has a lot of it so get in there cause i
⏹️ ▶️ Marco just didn’t want there to be anything that i just blanket didn’t like except for windows
⏹️ ▶️ Marco have standards you know but it’s limiting to not like things it’s limited to say like oh i can’t
⏹️ ▶️ Marco i can’t go to the sushi restaurant with you because i don’t like anything there like you know that kind of thing so i guess i wanted
⏹️ ▶️ Marco to get rid of as many limitations on myself as i possibly could and so damn it
⏹️ ▶️ Marco i wanted to teach myself to be able to use airpods airpods have never
⏹️ ▶️ John is going to be a story like the binding of your feet is you’re going to be like shaping
⏹️ ▶️ John your body with these series of increasingly large air pod shaped wedges
⏹️ ▶️ Marco all right so airpods have two problems for me number one they fall out easily like not immediately
⏹️ ▶️ Marco but if i go on a dog walk with airpods within about ten minutes if i haven’t pushed them back in they’ll fall like at least
⏹️ ▶️ Marco one of them will fall out and the second problem is that when they are in they were painful after
⏹️ ▶️ Marco a pretty short time like it would they would just hurt my ears but airpods are so
⏹️ ▶️ Marco damn convenient you can keep headphones in your pocket
⏹️ ▶️ Marco all the time yep now i have never had this luxury because
⏹️ ▶️ Marco i couldn’t wear a possessor couldn’t wear any of the earbuds that came before them so i’ve always wanted
⏹️ ▶️ Marco that to have headphones i could keep in my pocket all the time there’s also the benefits
⏹️ ▶️ Marco of the w one and the h one of the apple bluetooth pairing stuff these benefits are huge
⏹️ ▶️ Marco when you have multiple devices like right now every time like i go on a plane i feel like a fool
⏹️ ▶️ Marco because i have my big sony headphones that are blue too that are nice but as most but
⏹️ ▶️ Marco devices like i know there are some that compare to two or three things but they’re they’re pretty rare the more common
⏹️ ▶️ Marco case is most blue two headphones they can only be paired to one source device at a time and so if you
⏹️ ▶️ Marco are say wanting to switch from your iphone to your ipad on a plane or like your
⏹️ ▶️ Marco phone to your laptop you have to repair the blue to headphones to the device which
⏹️ ▶️ Marco sucks and you know and like an animal it’s yeah it’s time consuming and annoying and it sucks and
⏹️ ▶️ Marco so that and that’s no good air pods can easily switch between multiple
⏹️ ▶️ Marco devices and so even though it isn’t always a perfect process i know you know
⏹️ ▶️ Marco occasionally it does the wrong thing but it’s way way better than having to repair every time it gets
⏹️ ▶️ Marco repairing is so annoying that when i’m on a plane i keep my blue to headphones just paired to my phone
⏹️ ▶️ Marco and when i want to use my laptop or my ipad i get out the wire and i plug in the wire
⏹️ ▶️ Marco of the headphones and plug the wire into the other device because that’s less inconvenient than repairing
⏹️ ▶️ Marco it both ways so anyway going from regular
⏹️ ▶️ Marco bluetooth to airpods is as big of a jump in convenience
⏹️ ▶️ Marco as it was going from wire to blue tooth in the first place like it’s that it’s that much of a change
⏹️ ▶️ Marco to have that most device pairing so i really wanted to be able to use airpods for all these reasons
⏹️ ▶️ Marco you know the comedians the pocket ability the multi pairing but my ears seemed like physically
⏹️ ▶️ Marco incompatible so as part of the self improvement kick i figured i’m going to make my make myself able to wear a pos
⏹️ ▶️ Marco dammit so i started just wearing them a little bit every day i figured like can could train my ears
⏹️ ▶️ Marco to tolerate them physically
⏹️ ▶️ John oh my word i put tiny bits of sand paper on the thing and just wiggle it around and they’re not going to make these years the
⏹️ ▶️ John right shape if it kills me
⏹️ ▶️ Marco just don’t wear them a little bit every day think thinking maybe i could just get my ears accustomed to
⏹️ ▶️ Marco them but before before you
⏹️ ▶️ John embarked on this did you have a consultation with someone who can see into your ears to say
⏹️ ▶️ John to say like what is it about the airpods that that you know like is it a contact
⏹️ ▶️ John point which which dimension is too small which dimension is too large because there may have been something you could do if you
⏹️ ▶️ John if you’ve figured out the answer to that question like what precisely is it that is different about my ear shape that makes air
⏹️ ▶️ John pods fall out and be uncomfortable after a period of time obviously if it’s something that’s too
⏹️ ▶️ John tight there’s maybe not a lot you can do but maybe there’s an alternate position that you could put them in where you could add material
⏹️ ▶️ John like add some like putty or whatever to the airport and put it in a different arrangement so that it
⏹️ ▶️ John stays like i feel like you’re doing the sort of the blind technique of like i can’t see into my ears
⏹️ ▶️ John i know they don’t work but i’m just going to try acclamation just going to stick him in and just like eventually maybe i’ll get used to
⏹️ ▶️ John it or maybe i’ll stretch out or maybe or whatever but i feel like you could have taken a a
⏹️ ▶️ John more scientific approach to this and had someone examine your airpod fit and come up with a strategy
⏹️ ▶️ John for correcting for it that didn’t happen i guess
⏹️ ▶️ Marco i think if i would have gone to like an ear doctor or an audiologist i
⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John met your wife
⏹️ ▶️ Marco going to say like i would think i would be laughed out of any doctor’s office if i actually would have gone like can you help
⏹️ ▶️ Marco me work better with airpods
⏹️ ▶️ John another person who can see your here your wife is the obvious
⏹️ ▶️ Marco example you i didn’t think about asking somebody else but
⏹️ ▶️ John you ask her to get your your hair maybe you’re not that stage of mid life crisis yet
⏹️ ▶️ Marco you will my approach
⏹️ ▶️ Marco was simply brute force just try to get fit in
⏹️ ▶️ Marco my ears by just enduring some discomfort every day for a while which honestly is how i started liking
⏹️ ▶️ John in endorsement of seafood the mucus of the sea they call it
⏹️ ▶️ Marco all right so anyway so this process of just wearing them a little bit every day actually
⏹️ ▶️ Marco did improve things it actually did kind of work and it worked enough
⏹️ ▶️ Marco that i could that i can now actually wear them kind of but it still hurt a little and
⏹️ ▶️ Marco they still fell out regularly if i wasn’t you know constantly pushing them back in like every you know every minute or so
⏹️ ▶️ Marco out of a walk now people have recommended various
⏹️ ▶️ Marco add on things to airpods since ever since he started complaining about this like you know a year ago whatever
⏹️ ▶️ Marco but almost all add on things to air pods are like hooks to help like hook them into
⏹️ ▶️ Marco your ears so they’ve supported better or they’re like these big like rubber like tips that
⏹️ ▶️ Marco you can stick on them that protrude alot and all these things have the same universal problem that make
⏹️ ▶️ Marco the air pods no longer fit in the charging case and to me that’s a
⏹️ ▶️ Marco fatal deal killer right there because it seems ridiculous to actually use
⏹️ ▶️ Marco airpods in real life if you have to constantly keep pulling off these like attachments
⏹️ ▶️ Marco you have on them and put them back on every time you want to use them just to get them in and out of the case because like you
⏹️ ▶️ Marco have to have the airpods in the case all the time because you have to put them into charge
⏹️ ▶️ Marco of their battery life sucks and if they aren’t in the case they’re on and so it’s
⏹️ ▶️ Marco like they’re ready to be ready to like steal the output any moment and interpret gestures in your pocket and everything it’s like you
⏹️ ▶️ Marco kind of have to have them in it in the case a lot so i don’t know why any product can possibly exist
⏹️ ▶️ Marco that can modify airpot in such a way that they don’t fit in the case any more and have absolutely anybody
⏹️ ▶️ Marco want to use that fortunately i did find one product and i think there’s a couple
⏹️ ▶️ Marco of clones but they all seem to be the same thing there’s one product that does
⏹️ ▶️ Marco allow you to keep using the case but is one of those like silicone adon wrapping
⏹️ ▶️ Marco pads around the airpods in typical amazon style it is called fit in the case
⏹️ ▶️ Marco airpods earpods covers compatible with airpods two and one anti slip silicone soft sports cover accessories apple airpods
⏹️ ▶️ Marco ear by two pairs of
⏹️ ▶️ John white this this product name is very close to being a valid shell a command
⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco look at briefly and it’s like you know
⏹️ ▶️ John two ampersand greater than one for input redirection that’s got the curly
⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco curly braces
⏹️ ▶️ John fit fit in the case it’s not fit in the case
⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco it’s not a fit in the
⏹️ ▶️ John capital t the case in curly braces then
⏹️ ▶️ John these have to be generated by a computer anyway go on
⏹️ ▶️ Marco yeah so i found these and they were like eleven bucks and i figured i’ll give it a shot they actually
⏹️ ▶️ Marco do work they really are thin enough to just barely have the airpod
⏹️ ▶️ Marco still fit in the case they don’t actually change things that much
⏹️ ▶️ Marco because they’re they’re very thin rubber like silicone and and they’re
⏹️ ▶️ Marco they’re hilariously difficult to install too like because i like the first time i tried to install
⏹️ ▶️ Marco one i tore it in half immediately um the good thing is they actually give you an extra one
⏹️ ▶️ Marco so that was i’m like
⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John oh that was nice
⏹️ ▶️ John for a mere eleven dollars you get an extra one o one cent of silicon
⏹️ ▶️ Marco yeah yeah it doesn’t matter like it was worth it so anyway did you get colors
⏹️ ▶️ Marco no but although colors might be useful like if you if you
⏹️ ▶️ Marco have like you know multiple airpods in your house you want to distinguish them or if you want to be able to easily tell when you
⏹️ ▶️ Marco have these on the airpods but so they they don’t do much
⏹️ ▶️ Marco they make the air pods just a little bit bigger and just a little bit softer
⏹️ ▶️ Marco and that is just enough to make the airpods not fa out of my ears anymore
⏹️ ▶️ Marco and it makes it a little bit more comfortable too so now
⏹️ ▶️ Marco i can actually use airpods i can actually carry them in my pocket in
⏹️ ▶️ Marco the case whenever i think i might want headphones and i can actually use them acceptably
⏹️ ▶️ Marco so i have actually pretty much solved my airpods problem i still wish
⏹️ ▶️ Marco they were more comfortable but i think these these are about as comfortable as they are going to get for me i’m
⏹️ ▶️ Marco actually very satisfied with that but because they are still not amazingly
⏹️ ▶️ Marco comfortable and to take a lot of long walks with headphones so i also wanted to try
⏹️ ▶️ Marco the new power beats pro this is a product that was harder to get in the original
⏹️ ▶️ Marco apple watch like the power beats pro officially launched in i think mid may
⏹️ ▶️ Marco but they were back ordered like crazy typical like apple you know like a short supply
⏹️ ▶️ Marco launch like they were back ordered for weeks and i’d like keep checking the store i refresh the page
⏹️ ▶️ Marco every morning and i can’t i try to get in the i finally snagged a pair
⏹️ ▶️ Marco on the morning that i was about to leave for wwdc i was literally going to the airport in like two
⏹️ ▶️ Marco hours and i caught it in stock at my local store and i went over there and picked him up
⏹️ ▶️ Marco so i’ve been using the power beach pro for don’t a few weeks now i guess whenever it’s been i kinda say
⏹️ ▶️ Marco they’re really interesting so these are the things that are basically airpods but
⏹️ ▶️ Marco for like more active workouts so they are physically larger and they have
⏹️ ▶️ Marco these the big like hook around things like that hook on top of your ears and then they have these
⏹️ ▶️ Marco little rubber things that like stick that into your ears from them so they’re kind of suspended on your ear
⏹️ ▶️ Marco and they stick directly and instead of the airpods they are kind of like resting there in your ears so
⏹️ ▶️ Marco they’re they’re much better if you if you are doing like a super active kind of workout where airpods
⏹️ ▶️ Marco might fall to your ears if you if you were that wore them but these are better and also these are i think more water resistant
⏹️ ▶️ Marco and everything but otherwise they’re basically air pots they have the one chip they
⏹️ ▶️ Marco have the the hiding support it takes a good few days at least
⏹️ ▶️ Marco to figure out how to get them into your ears or how to get them back into the case
⏹️ ▶️ Marco without an embarrassing degree of fumbling around oh my goodness cause you got to like like to get
⏹️ ▶️ Marco in you have to kind of like hook it over your ear and like twist it in you’re like screw it into your ear light
⏹️ ▶️ Marco to get the hooked right it’s really weird and then getting it back into the case is similarly like incredibly
⏹️ ▶️ Marco awkward because you to figure out like how does this fit and if you get the lesson the right mixed up you’re totally screwed like you’ll
⏹️ ▶️ Marco never figure that out it’s it’s hilarious um the controls
⏹️ ▶️ Marco on them are a mixed bag compared to air ponds or other phones
⏹️ ▶️ Marco each of the two ear pieces has a volume rocker switch like volume up down
⏹️ ▶️ Marco and a center button that functions just like the old wired clickers did one
⏹️ ▶️ Marco tap on the center button is play paws two taps of seek forward three taps to seek back just like the old
⏹️ ▶️ Marco remotes and i think it’s actually really nice to have actual buttons on these
⏹️ ▶️ Marco again you know you know i’m a fan of buttons obviously so they’re they’re tactile they are pretty reliable
⏹️ ▶️ Marco the only problem i’ve had but the buttons is that the double and triple click seek gestures are actually still
⏹️ ▶️ Marco as tricky as they’ve always been like sometimes a double click too fast and it treats it as a pause
⏹️ ▶️ Marco so i have to like deliberately like remember to wait a second between the two clicks so it really recognizes that
⏹️ ▶️ Marco is two and similarly getting three clicks recognized to be seek back is not easy
⏹️ ▶️ Marco because it often interprets it as to which you seek for which is the opposite of what you want so it’s tricky
⏹️ ▶️ Marco to do the set gestures but they do work and those are things that airpods just can’t do at
⏹️ ▶️ Marco all unless you map the things differently and everything with these you can’t remap the controls
⏹️ ▶️ Marco on the power beats they’re not customizable the way the air pod you know double tap gestures are the buttons all
⏹️ ▶️ Marco do the same thing always all the time and both earpieces buttons do the same thing so you
⏹️ ▶️ Marco can’t make like you know the right ones get for the left ones get back or anything like that you can use siri of course
⏹️ ▶️ Marco i found that to be you know the hay dinges support is just as reliable on this as it is on the air patos
⏹️ ▶️ Marco um other downside of the controls here is that the center button that
⏹️ ▶️ Marco does like the play pause and seek is directly behind the main
⏹️ ▶️ Marco driver unlike the rubber tip protrusion so when you push it you are pushing the rubber tip
⏹️ ▶️ Marco into your ear more and so you can like squishing it into your ear with every push and that’s not
⏹️ ▶️ Marco pleasant although i will say it is less unpleasant than the than tapping air
⏹️ ▶️ Marco pods that are in your ear which i find significantly unpleasant so the controls
⏹️ ▶️ Marco are you know their mixed bag but overall i find them significantly better than the airpods in that way
⏹️ ▶️ Marco the case that they go in is comically large if you’re accustomed
⏹️ ▶️ Marco to airpods it’s far too large to be pocketable in pretty much
⏹️ ▶️ Marco anything except may be the largest of like winter jackets and because of
⏹️ ▶️ Marco the physical controls you can’t just keep them loose in your pocket when you’re not
⏹️ ▶️ Marco wearing them because the play p pause button gets accidentally pressed all the time and pockets
⏹️ ▶️ Marco so if you have them with you like with air pods if you have air pods with you and you
⏹️ ▶️ Marco want to like you know go into a store and not be so rude as to be wearing headphones in a store or somebody could
⏹️ ▶️ Marco want to talk to them or you arrive to you arrive where you’re going and you want to take your headphones out with airpods you probably
⏹️ ▶️ Marco have the case in your pockets you can just take out the air pods and put him in the case but with the power beats pro the
⏹️ ▶️ Marco case is too big to be in your pocket so you probably don’t have it with you a lot of the time that you’re using them
⏹️ ▶️ Marco but because the button on them gets pushed in your pocket accidentally you also can’t put them in your pocket
⏹️ ▶️ Marco really well either so you have to like just kind of hold them or leave them in your ear and just hope nobody cares
⏹️ ▶️ Marco or whatever so like that’s a bit of an inconvenience
⏹️ ▶️ John speaking of speaking of that did you have with your airpods yet the sort of typical
⏹️ ▶️ John most awful social experience with them which is you’re wearing them like you said and some maybe someone
⏹️ ▶️ John comes up to you walking your dog you take someone comes up to you and wants to say something or like wants to tell you that
⏹️ ▶️ John you drop some way some someone tries to talk to you and but you’re listening to something so they get your attention
⏹️ ▶️ John you turn to them and you immediately tap your airpods with your finger to stop
⏹️ ▶️ John whatever you listen to so you can hear the person who just got your attention and this gesture i
⏹️ ▶️ John think i’ve described this on the show before and this gesture is interpreted as you pointing to
⏹️ ▶️ John your headphones going a person can’t you see that i’m listening to
⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco something on my headphone no they
⏹️ ▶️ John don’t understand that tapping stops the sound they think what you’re doing is going oh hello
⏹️ ▶️ John i have things in my ear and so they think oh you know i may go i’m sorry sorry and they start
⏹️ ▶️ Marco happen yet oh no i haven’t yet i mean i think that’s that’s the biggest argument ever for
⏹️ ▶️ Marco just using the pull the air pot out to pause feature
⏹️ ▶️ John yes pull you’re pulling out is is the right move right but if you get used to tapping
⏹️ ▶️ John which i’m very used to because that’s what i do like in my house or you know whatever you know it’s easier to tap because
⏹️ ▶️ John then you still have both hands free or whatever but my experience is the entire rest of the world
⏹️ ▶️ John thinks that tapping is you being the rudest person ever and i feel so bad when it happens then i feel like
⏹️ ▶️ John i have to explain to them no now this tapping them makes the sound oh god forget it
⏹️ ▶️ John is the most awful thing ever like apple should have special p s as on on television
⏹️ ▶️ John and or streaming channels or whatever people watch on youtube i guess whatever you watch these days to say just so you know
⏹️ ▶️ John if someone taps their ear they’re not telling you to buzz off by pointing by
⏹️ ▶️ John by pointing to their expensive headphone and telling you to go away they’re stopping the sound oh man i didn’t i
⏹️ ▶️ John didn’t think about that with power beats yanking them out might be more difficult because you have to like unhook them from
⏹️ ▶️ John year or whatever and i guess the button you don’t have to tap as much that’s my one question you just you can twist a little and pull
⏹️ ▶️ John it out it’s it’s real fast that’s my question about the button but you already answered it like how hard do you have to hit that button because
⏹️ ▶️ John i don’t like a physical button i wouldn’t want to actually press intimate but i guess those squishy rubber helps
⏹️ ▶️ Marco and the reality is you don’t have to push it very hard at all it pushes very easily which is i think why it gets pushed
⏹️ ▶️ Marco so accidentally in my pocket
⏹️ ▶️ Marco why you can’t have
⏹️ ▶️ John it loose in your pocket
⏹️ ▶️ Marco so yeah like i like i frequently will accidentally push the button as i’m putting it in my ear or taking it out
⏹️ ▶️ Marco of my ear because it’s it’s just it’s that easily pressed
⏹️ ▶️ John that case looks like it’s the size of a baseball that can’t be how big it is though it’s
⏹️ ▶️ Marco it’s not round but it
⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John it’s like a baseball
⏹️ ▶️ Marco with a top bottom cut off it’s like it’s like if you made a pillow shape
⏹️ ▶️ Marco that has the approximate maximum diameter for baseball
⏹️ ▶️ John yeah that’s that’s gigantic
⏹️ ▶️ Marco it and and if you look like it isn’t that ridiculous when you see the way they’re designed because
⏹️ ▶️ Marco like the shape of them is such that like you kind of can’t fit them in anything that was much smaller
⏹️ ▶️ John had made them so that the two weird shapes if you offset them to each other went into each other’s negative
⏹️ ▶️ John space you could have got it down smaller but i guess that’s tricky
⏹️ ▶️ Marco yeah maybe and then i mean they’re hard enough to get into this case as it is like to get
⏹️ ▶️ John one like one of those tavern puzzles
⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco yeah particular
⏹️ ▶️ Marco there’s like two rings and they look like they can’t come off each other but somehow you have to get this one through that one and then it
⏹️ ▶️ Marco comes off yet exactly anyway so overall though
⏹️ ▶️ Marco where where i think the power beats pro are substantially better there’s a couple of of
⏹️ ▶️ Marco advantage number one battery life is way better on them than air pots because the patterns are just
⏹️ ▶️ Marco much bigger like both the case and the batteries that are actually in the earpieces are
⏹️ ▶️ Marco substantially larger and longer lasting so that’s great if you ever run into battery issues with airpods
⏹️ ▶️ Marco and then comfort is significantly upgraded because they have those
⏹️ ▶️ Marco ear hooks the ear hooks are are kind of suspending them in front of your ears and so
⏹️ ▶️ Marco there is the part that goes into your ear but that’s not bearing the weight of the thing
⏹️ ▶️ Marco like with airpods the air pods bear the weight of the whole air pod on like the bottom
⏹️ ▶️ Marco you know surface whatever it is of the inside of your ear whereas the power beats are suspending them
⏹️ ▶️ Marco kind of near by in there and so a lot of that weight is falling on the top of the ear which
⏹️ ▶️ Marco i think is less sensitive to it because it’s like you know if you wear glasses like that go in the same place basically
⏹️ ▶️ John i was going to say the next sole person that you have to encounter is when you eventually get glasses i find it very
⏹️ ▶️ John uncomfortable to have anything pressing against the stems of my glasses so i imagine if i had these hooked
⏹️ ▶️ John over my ears fine all well and good maybe although i find the back of my ear more sensitive than the inside
⏹️ ▶️ John for the most part but then if i also had to have glasses stem there i’d be like well does that go
⏹️ ▶️ John on the inside of the hook or on the outside and in both things it would it would i think it would result in something
⏹️ ▶️ John pressing against the the side of my head behind my ear and i hate that feeling
⏹️ ▶️ Marco yeah honestly i don’t i don’t know how well these would play with glasses for that reason you’ll find out
⏹️ ▶️ Marco but yeah so comfort wise the fact that they’re not like having all their weight
⏹️ ▶️ Marco on the bottom thing on the inside of my ear is is a huge improvement you only feel
⏹️ ▶️ Marco the fairly light pressure of those rubber tips and they come with four different
⏹️ ▶️ Marco types of rubber tips in different sizes they have the regular like you know kind of like bulbous marshmallow
⏹️ ▶️ Marco kind that and that comes in small medium and large and all that’s come with it and they also have another
⏹️ ▶️ Marco one that’s like it’s like the kind that looks like two scoops of ice cream you know it’s like two
⏹️ ▶️ John half circles stacked like the barbed one
⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco yeah but it doesn’t
⏹️ ▶️ Marco yeah right wow i don’t know what that one’s for i tried it and it was just it was like too skinny and it wouldn’t
⏹️ ▶️ Marco seal for me so i’ve been using the the larges and the mediums and and they are great
⏹️ ▶️ Marco and so and so because you have this customizability of the of the of the various tips
⏹️ ▶️ Marco and their being set there with less pressure to begin with because of the hook set up
⏹️ ▶️ Marco comfort is way better i can wear these things for a long time and feel no pain whatsoever
⏹️ ▶️ Marco and the sound quality is also so sound quality normally it’s pretty much exactly like the airpod two
⏹️ ▶️ Marco or the air pod it’s like it’s the same thing as the airpods really which means that when you
⏹️ ▶️ Marco have like a loose seal you don’t really get much base or anything it’s fine for like podcasts
⏹️ ▶️ Marco but if you get a good seal with airpods if they really excel well into europe you like push me a little bit
⏹️ ▶️ Marco it actually gets pretty decent even for music with power beats that’s actually easier to achieve
⏹️ ▶️ Marco because it’s much easier to get a good seal because of the way they’re held there and because you have
⏹️ ▶️ Marco the different sized tips to choose from so i actually really like them they like
⏹️ ▶️ Marco they are significantly less convenient than the airpods in the sense that like they
⏹️ ▶️ Marco they are you know not really pocketable and the case is so clumsy and everything
⏹️ ▶️ Marco but the convenience is really nice now that being said they still are not suitable
⏹️ ▶️ Marco for use on a plane like you still they still don’t feel well enough to
⏹️ ▶️ Marco make them particularly audible in a very loud place like a plane air pods
⏹️ ▶️ Marco have the same problem even slightly worse and this is why like i am so looking forward to if apple
⏹️ ▶️ Marco ever makes the rumored over ear headphones using the you know w one
⏹️ ▶️ Marco or h one style paring and chip and everything even if they are terrible
⏹️ ▶️ Marco sounding and even if they have terrible noise cancellation i will buy those because
⏹️ ▶️ Marco a i don’t use mis cancellation on planes i guess use whatever passive isolation my headphones have i turn off the miscanthus
⏹️ ▶️ Marco i don’t like it um so like the actual like at noise cancellation i couldn’t care less like i just want big comfortable
⏹️ ▶️ Marco over your headphones at that passively isolate sound well and to be able to switch those between my
⏹️ ▶️ Marco phone my eye pad and my computer easily on a plane would completely
⏹️ ▶️ Marco negate any possible advantage that sony or bows could come up
⏹️ ▶️ Marco with with their headphones so i’m very much looking forward to if that if that rumor ends up being
⏹️ ▶️ Marco true and they end up coming out with over your headphones man i can’t wait whatever whatever we call them like head pods
⏹️ ▶️ Marco or airheads or whatever like they i can’t wait
⏹️ ▶️ Casey so how long can you reasonably have airpods with these little
⏹️ ▶️ Casey sheaths in your ears like are we talking half an hour an hour or two hours um
⏹️ ▶️ Marco i could like walk to the store and back or taste like a short dog walk and be ok i’d rather not
⏹️ ▶️ Marco like i’d rather use the power beats pro or my aftershocks or you know other like you know
⏹️ ▶️ Marco good portable headphones i’d rather like i’d rather use those but but the
⏹️ ▶️ Marco the airpods are now usable so like before like suppose like
⏹️ ▶️ Marco one thing that’s happened a lot is like you know i’ll walk into town at the beach like with with the
⏹️ ▶️ Marco family and then i will want to walk home or i’ll be asked to walk somewhere else to get something and
⏹️ ▶️ Marco the family will stay stay back or they’ll go to a playground and i need to go to the store so i’ll like split off from the
⏹️ ▶️ Marco family i’m now i’m just alone and i’m bored and like i have i have a long walk ahead
⏹️ ▶️ Marco of me like if i have airpods in my pocket like i didn’t have to plan for that i just can always
⏹️ ▶️ Marco carry them and now i have them and they’re great right or you know some something like if i’m
⏹️ ▶️ Marco like going to the city for the day i can just have them in my pocket and i
⏹️ ▶️ Marco might eat them and i might not and it’s fun i don’t have to think about it like i can’t fit my aftershocks
⏹️ ▶️ Marco in my pants pocket i can fit my airpods though like i can just have them there it’s just
⏹️ ▶️ Marco really nice so it’s like even though they are not my favorite headphones aren’t the most comfortable
⏹️ ▶️ Marco headphones on me there are cases where like i’d rather have head phones than not have head phones even if they’re a little
⏹️ ▶️ Marco uncomfortable after a while and it’s way better than the way they were before like i can actually use them
⏹️ ▶️ Marco and not really regret it now so i’m pretty happy
⏹️ ▶️ Casey then what about the power beats how long can those stay in before you get cranky or uncomfortable or whatever
⏹️ ▶️ Marco i would say they are as comfortable as the aftershocks for me so that that would be like you know i can easily take a two
⏹️ ▶️ Marco hour walk with them and be i might be a little hot at the end but i’d be fine
⏹️ ▶️ John since we’re doing headphone reviews i got new headphones recently too i used them for my flight to w
⏹️ ▶️ John w d c i got the sony whatever the latest sony noise cancelling thing it’s
⏹️ ▶️ Marco like the w whatever mark three
⏹️ ▶️ John yeah and i’ve been using the bows noise cancelling once before i do use the actual
⏹️ ▶️ John noise noise cancelling so that’s what i wanted out of them and i just listen to podcasts i don’t really care what the sound
⏹️ ▶️ John quality is like as long as it’s okay um and the reason i was interested in replacing the bows at all is because
⏹️ ▶️ John i find the bows earcups to be a little bit small for me and a little bit uncomfortable on a six hour flight like
⏹️ ▶️ John they’re okay in the beginning but around an hour three a and a half i’m like these are kind of annoying my ears
⏹️ ▶️ John um so i got the ponies which looked like they had bigger ear pads and ear cup things and hopefully
⏹️ ▶️ John that would work better and people had say the noise canceling is as good as pos or better or whatever
⏹️ ▶️ John so anyway i got these they’re fancier they have all sorts of weird features where they can like optimize their noise
⏹️ ▶️ John canceling based on the atmospheric pressure and other b s they tell you they’re doing who knows what they’re actually doing but
⏹️ ▶️ John anyway they have their bluetooth instead of having a wire like my bows ones did they
⏹️ ▶️ John have a swipe touchpad thing on the outside of the ear cup which is terrible because
⏹️ ▶️ John it’s like the apple tv remote is this horizontal swipe is it a vertical swipe did i get it right i got my
⏹️ ▶️ John oriented correctly tapping them is the worst oh god because they have a tap control
⏹️ ▶️ John as bad as it is to tap an airpod imagine tapping the the rigid
⏹️ ▶️ John outside of a giant cup that’s like sealed to the side of your head like the loudest sound ever
⏹️ ▶️ John i’m trying to tap gently but it’s very uncomfortable not uncomfortable physically from like
⏹️ ▶️ John the pressure but uncomfortable noise wise it is very bad but setting that aside i mean
⏹️ ▶️ John you can always stop in a million other ways you can use your phone to stop or you know but you could
⏹️ ▶️ John i use one of those little blue s control of things you do anyway all that aside the earcups were
⏹️ ▶️ John more comfortable what surprised me and the thing that was annoying me by like hour or two was
⏹️ ▶️ John the band that goes over the top of my head was just like it’s like that feeling the case you might be familiar with the marco
⏹️ ▶️ John maybe not as much for multiple reasons when your hair hits the headliner in a car
⏹️ ▶️ Casey feeling casey i actually i know of what you speak but i am not quite tall enough to have
⏹️ ▶️ Casey ever really had that problem despite my hair also adding an inch or two to my height but
⏹️ ▶️ John if if you are a taller personer you have a car with a very low ceiling and like your car
⏹️ ▶️ John has like a you know typical cheap car you know sort of fuzzy muppet felt
⏹️ ▶️ John a stuff on the on the roof if your hair just hits that
⏹️ ▶️ John you’re like well so what your hair is barely swiping a fuzzy muppet felt how can that how do
⏹️ ▶️ John you even notice that right but it’s a strange thing i’m sure there’s some word for it or some someone to
⏹️ ▶️ John their phd to sign it like that it sort of grips your hair a little bit like it’s not like it’s
⏹️ ▶️ John like you know vinyl or something slippery so the fuzzy muppet felt grips your hair a little bit
⏹️ ▶️ John and just through like the regular motion of your head just like driving or whatever your head
⏹️ ▶️ John moves and the hair kind of stays where it’s being gripped and it just ends up like moving your hair boggles
⏹️ ▶️ John back and forth and back and forth and it becomes incredibly irritating it’s like like you know water
⏹️ ▶️ John torture where they drop a drop of water on your forehead it’s like who cares drop of water that doesn’t hurt but by the ten thousand drop
⏹️ ▶️ John it feels like a hammer falling and you’re ready to go insane well this felt like the same thing where it’s just like the
⏹️ ▶️ John band was just i don’t know what it was doing was it moving my hair around was it like it didn’t feel like
⏹️ ▶️ John it had much more pressure on top of my head it’s so weird like the headphones i’m wearing now that i wear
⏹️ ▶️ John every time on my pockets don’t have the sensation at all like they’re touching the top of my head
⏹️ ▶️ John right but they don’t feel like they’re irritating the hair they’re the sony ones are padded
⏹️ ▶️ John up there it’s the same feels like the same kind of slippery fake vine material up there
⏹️ ▶️ John i have no idea what it is i’m thinking maybe it’s because of like the shape of the band cause
⏹️ ▶️ John sometimes they make it like out of it’s supposed to look like a nice rigid u shape but really to get it to fit over your head you have to adjust
⏹️ ▶️ John the things and now the nice rigid you becomes like a rigid section and then there’s other section lists a different angle than the rigid section
⏹️ ▶️ John on top and then another little section in the the final rigid section and maybe that makes an arc that’s actually pressing on
⏹️ ▶️ John my head more i don’t know but that man was god was making me would make you think about returning
⏹️ ▶️ John them i kept adjusting it like if i make it super loose if i make it so the top doesn’t even touch my head but it doesn’t quite work
⏹️ ▶️ John because you do need something up there for support because they can’t just stick your ears from the the pressure
⏹️ ▶️ John anyway it was very it didn’t quite agree with my head i’m trying to work out what i’m going
⏹️ ▶️ John to do about that but but overall the ear cup comfort was way better and
⏹️ ▶️ John the final thing the noise cancelling i think it was better than the bows but the noise canceling had this weird thing
⏹️ ▶️ John during take off when the engines are ramping up the noise canceling decided to send out some of these like
⏹️ ▶️ John terrible elocution bursts of noise into my ear that it was like you
⏹️ ▶️ John know like just during just starting take off when like the noise levels were changing a lot like
⏹️ ▶️ John i said is that a bug is that a feature of whatever it is it was uncomfortable and it only happened
⏹️ ▶️ John during takeoff but it happened during both take offs so i don’t know what the deal that is but that was kind
⏹️ ▶️ John of uncomfortable but in in for the rest of the time sam was fine noise canceling was even better
⏹️ ▶️ John than the bow ear cup cumber was better i have problems with the headband
⏹️ ▶️ Marco wow yeah i mean i used the previous version of that the w
⏹️ ▶️ Marco whatever whatever mark two and the there aren’t many differences between the two like they’re they’re
⏹️ ▶️ Marco almost identical and so i’m actually kind of surprised that i haven’t i haven’t had those issues with with the fit
⏹️ ▶️ Marco with the headband i mean maybe i have a different hairstyle
⏹️ ▶️ John is different head sizes like you should look at how much of like how much of the the part that you expose when you adjust
⏹️ ▶️ John it how much do you have exposed maybe you have much more much less than i do and maybe you’re
⏹️ ▶️ John maybe the irritability of the hairs on top of my head are different than yours
⏹️ ▶️ Marco maybe you need a thin silicon wrapper
⏹️ ▶️ John thinking during the flight i’m like what could i put up there if i like if i put you know is it too slippery or not
⏹️ ▶️ John like i if i put a piece of felt between the headphones and my head or if i like coated the band at the top of my head would
⏹️ ▶️ John i want to make it slippery or gripper i don’t i don’t know do i need an extra piece of patting again it’s plenty
⏹️ ▶️ John padded up there it’s not like it’s a hard piece of plastic against my head it’s mysterious and it’s and the reason it reminded
⏹️ ▶️ John me of the car headliner things this is the type of thing it’s like how can that even bother you like it’s it’s like a pillow
⏹️ ▶️ John on top of your head with no weight on it how is that bothering you and yet just the tiny motions like your
⏹️ ▶️ John harding the headliner over the course of many hours eventually feels like the worst thing in the world like a pebble in your shoe
⏹️ ▶️ John another example tiny little rock you know you’re walking and like you’re building up the size of this thing in your mind so you finally take
⏹️ ▶️ John off your shoes and you look at it and it’s like the size of like a grain of sand how did that feel so big in
⏹️ ▶️ John my shoe it’s that type of situation
⏹️ ▶️ Casey i am glad marco that you can feasibly carry your airpods with you always and that
⏹️ ▶️ Casey sounds sarcastic but actually that has changed my life is a bit dramatic but it
⏹️ ▶️ Casey has definitely improved my life to always have headphones in my little change pocket of
⏹️ ▶️ Casey my jeans you know pretty much all the time and you’d be surprised how often like you were
⏹️ ▶️ Casey saying you know you peel away from the family or something like that for a perfectly legitimate reason and then you think well
⏹️ ▶️ Casey i could catch up on podcasts right now or i could listen to music right now or whatever the case
⏹️ ▶️ Casey, Marco may be exactly
⏹️ ▶️ Casey it i cannot overstate how much i love my airpods and i genuinely think they’re the best
⏹️ ▶️ Casey apple product of the last five to ten years by a comfortable margin in my personal
⏹️ ▶️ John opinion i like the mandelbrot set changed the world in a tiny way i’m so i was so sick of catching
⏹️ ▶️ John my headphone cords on things so sick of that airpods just rescued me from that life
⏹️ ▶️ John rescue me from the life of
⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco untangling the cords and
⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco me from the life of them getting caught on
⏹️ ▶️ John things and being yanked out of my ears love it can never go back
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⏹️ ▶️ Casey we have heard many reports of a new sixteen inch macbook
⏹️ ▶️ Casey pro that is supposedly coming and there’s a report at ninety five mac from a couple of days ago
⏹️ ▶️ Casey saying yeah this is a thing and there are a couple of specific tidbits
⏹️ ▶️ Casey including a report of a thirty seventy two by nineteen twenty resolution marco how excited
⏹️ ▶️ Marco i am not excited about that screen resolution i am very excited about everything else
⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John like everything else about it is
⏹️ ▶️ Marco like you know the rumors have been pretty strong on this one from multiple different
⏹️ ▶️ Marco sources over the last couple of months that it really does seem like you know where by
⏹️ ▶️ Marco the where there’s smoke there’s fire thing like there is very likely to be a redesigned
⏹️ ▶️ Marco macbook pro for the first time since twenty sixteen coming out sometime between this fall
⏹️ ▶️ Marco and next spring the last redesign the twenty sixteen one as you know i’m not really a big fan
⏹️ ▶️ Marco i’m not a fan of the touch bar not a fan of the butterfly keyboard and
⏹️ ▶️ Marco the most recent rumors seem to indicate that the touch bar is actually staying but
⏹️ ▶️ Marco we might be getting a hardware escape key next to it more importantly we might be getting
⏹️ ▶️ Marco a new keyboard that uses scissor switches with one millimeter of travel
⏹️ ▶️ Marco which is about twice to travel the butterfly keyboard overall very similar in many ways
⏹️ ▶️ Marco to the most recent desktop magic keyboards of the apple a shift which have been widely
⏹️ ▶️ Marco recognized as like pretty decent keyboards like pretty agreeable you know not not everyone like totally
⏹️ ▶️ Marco loves them but most people are pretty big fans no one really hates them like they’re fine and that’s what you need
⏹️ ▶️ Marco a laptop keyboard to be and that’s what we haven’t had for the last few years like even if they’ve solved the
⏹️ ▶️ Marco reliability problems which i think is still too early to say they still failed to make a
⏹️ ▶️ Marco keyboard last time that everyone was okay with now they have a chance to do that again and the rumors all suggest that
⏹️ ▶️ Marco they are that they are probably doing that additionally as i mentioned nothing last week
⏹️ ▶️ Marco this will be the first laptop that has most likely been designed after
⏹️ ▶️ Marco the formation of the pro workflows team and the pro the pro workflows team has produced such
⏹️ ▶️ Marco wonderful things as maybe the imac pro i’m not sure if they were there late
⏹️ ▶️ Marco enough early enough for that but they were definitely there to influence things like the new mac mini and
⏹️ ▶️ Marco the new mac pro and those are both really really good products that that did things
⏹️ ▶️ Marco and added things and kept things that we never would have guessed the like
⏹️ ▶️ Marco twenty sixteen or apple would have done things that customers wanted and needed but like
⏹️ ▶️ Marco apple back then was in the mood of taking a lot of things away and pushing
⏹️ ▶️ Marco things really aggressively quote forward in ways that we did not agree were
⏹️ ▶️ Marco the way forward but this is the first thing in a new
⏹️ ▶️ Marco series and i cannot wait to see what it is good or bad at least just want to see
⏹️ ▶️ Marco movement and i think i have faith based on how they’ve done the last few new releases
⏹️ ▶️ Marco like this it’s probably going to be really good now about that screen resolution the
⏹️ ▶️ Marco one thing that’s bugged me about the retina macbook pro screens ever since their
⏹️ ▶️ Marco introduction in twenty twelve is that in the pre retina in
⏹️ ▶️ Marco the last few models of the pre retina age apple increased the point density
⏹️ ▶️ Marco of the screens you could see this in the original macbook air which was like i think thirteen
⏹️ ▶️ Marco sixty six by seven sixty eight something like that and at the thirteen in version and
⏹️ ▶️ Marco and then right before they went retina the fifteenth should be had at the sixteen eighty by ten fifty screen
⏹️ ▶️ Marco and the seventeen inch should be had between nineteen twenty i think yet in nineteen twenty by twelve hundred screen
⏹️ ▶️ Marco the resolution like the horizontal resolution of the fifteen inch was sixteen points across
⏹️ ▶️ Marco when they went retina in twenty twelve the effective like you know the number of pixels
⏹️ ▶️ Marco went up because it went retina but the effective point with went down from
⏹️ ▶️ Marco sixteen eighty back down to fourteen forty where it was like a few years earlier in the
⏹️ ▶️ Marco in the regular you know non retina line up and as the rest of the lineup went retina
⏹️ ▶️ Marco that same step back happened it happened on a thirteen inch it eventually
⏹️ ▶️ Marco happened even to the air when that went retina that didn’t happen on the desktops mind you when the imac
⏹️ ▶️ Marco five k came out and later the imac fork that same step back did not happen they went
⏹️ ▶️ Marco exactly double the number of points they were pre retina so we know that it’s
⏹️ ▶️ Marco possible not to do that on the desktop and they didn’t on the laptops they made that step backwards
⏹️ ▶️ Marco at the time like you know twenty twelve was three years before two years before
⏹️ ▶️ Marco it ever came to the desktop a two and a half years before i came to the desktop and
⏹️ ▶️ Marco so you know it kind of made sense back then like well you know it’s still really new technology maybe there there are concerns
⏹️ ▶️ Marco about economics of the screen panels or quality of the colors or battery concerns of having more
⏹️ ▶️ Marco piles to drive or whatever else
⏹️ ▶️ John battery concerns is what apple cited by the way that when we asked that question at the introduction of the red and it was like well there’s
⏹️ ▶️ John just so many more transistors batteries why we did this and everyone basically
⏹️ ▶️ Marco accepted it right and they also they introduced these scaling modes at the same time where
⏹️ ▶️ Marco you could for the first time ever in their laptops you could simulate higher resolutions than what the panel
⏹️ ▶️ Marco actually supported using these new gpu accelerated scaling modes that it would basically render
⏹️ ▶️ Marco the image to a i think like a four x or three x buffer like rendered it
⏹️ ▶️ Marco to a higher buffer and then scaled it back to the physical picture of the screen it’s the same technique that
⏹️ ▶️ Marco was used later in the iphone six plus and and on the six seven and eight plus all used it until we
⏹️ ▶️ Marco finally got true three x in the iphone ten series but anyway they did this pixel
⏹️ ▶️ Marco skilling mode where like it would the native pixel resolution for the
⏹️ ▶️ Marco fifteen inch was indeed step back to the fourteen forty points at two density
⏹️ ▶️ Marco but you could set it to the way the old ones used to look at six and it would just kind
⏹️ ▶️ Marco of like blur the pixels to look to fit the panels to make it look kind
⏹️ ▶️ Marco of like that but it never looked as good as when you were running it in the true native
⏹️ ▶️ Marco two x format like it never they never had it exactly
⏹️ ▶️ Marco as sharp and as nice looking as when you were running it at fourteen forty at the native to
⏹️ ▶️ Marco x scale when the twenty sixteen era models came out starting with actually the twenty fifteen
⏹️ ▶️ Marco macbook one like with the macbook one and then following in the twenty sixteen the touch
⏹️ ▶️ Marco bar generation of macbook pros and later the map book air they actually set
⏹️ ▶️ Marco the one step up scale mode as the default screen resolution the
⏹️ ▶️ Marco way they shipped so by default since twenty sixteen and for every twelve
⏹️ ▶️ Marco inch macbook they have shipped in a mode where the screen is a little bit blurry and not as good as
⏹️ ▶️ Marco it could be because they just haven’t put enough pixels into it
⏹️ ▶️ Marco to make it have true two x retina clarity without using blurry
⏹️ ▶️ Marco scaling modes at the default resolution they’ve been shipping which to me is a crime
⏹️ ▶️ Marco on the twelve inch you can kind of forgive it because regardless of what they charge for it
⏹️ ▶️ Marco that’s a budget machine like it has budget parts it’s a lo it’s a low end machine in lots of ways
⏹️ ▶️ Marco so it kind of makes sense on that it kind of makes sense on the air because the air is also there to hit a low price point
⏹️ ▶️ Marco but in the that book pro the thirteen inch and fifteen inch pro i don’t think
⏹️ ▶️ Marco we need to be doing that anymore and and the desktops prove that we don’t have to do it like the five k
⏹️ ▶️ Marco mac and later the four k mac proved it isn’t like just like oh we won’t notice we can get away with
⏹️ ▶️ Marco it or nobody wants it no we want it and we do notice you know they didn’t like do the scale
⏹️ ▶️ Marco by default on the desktop because it’s better not to so on the laptops you know we’re
⏹️ ▶️ Marco sitting here we’re enduring this like twenty twelve hour screen density all this time in
⏹️ ▶️ Marco the next generation surely it’s time now surely now we
⏹️ ▶️ Marco whatever factors are at play we can afford to step up the pixels by
⏹️ ▶️ Marco whatever it would be like twenty percent net dimension and it isn’t even it’s not like we’re doubling it again like it’s it’s you know adding
⏹️ ▶️ Marco like twenty percent each dimension or some something like that surely we can do that now and
⏹️ ▶️ Marco the cost is able to be spent on that now in both battery and economics of the panels surely
⏹️ ▶️ Marco the only thing i don’t like about this new rumor is that it quotes the scream resolution
⏹️ ▶️ Marco in a way that that almost certainly suggests that they haven’t done this that that they’re sticking with
⏹️ ▶️ Marco the same thing of just scaling all the time by default and just accepting that the panel is just going to be
⏹️ ▶️ Marco blurry and i i’m i’m not okay with that like after all this time
⏹️ ▶️ Marco i mean yeah i’m going to buy this thing anyway cause i just can’t wait to get a new keyboard but
⏹️ ▶️ Marco that that was like one little nitpick that i’ve had since twenty twelve that i thought they
⏹️ ▶️ Marco would have solved by now and they put so much effort and marketing and promotion into
⏹️ ▶️ Marco having these really awesome screens in these other ways like in color and contrast and an
⏹️ ▶️ Marco and h r and color profiles and wide gamut and all that like they do all this amazing
⏹️ ▶️ Marco stuff with the screen but now they’re just a little bit blurred all the time because we can’t have all the pixels that
⏹️ ▶️ Marco they actually are kind of b s claiming that they have by having it be the default mode
⏹️ ▶️ Marco that’s that’s not okay and and they can do better than that and they should do better than that
⏹️ ▶️ John so i think the imac is not i mean the imac is a different scenario because you don’t have
⏹️ ▶️ John battery power and you have more depth so i’m not sure if you were to ask apple i bet their answer
⏹️ ▶️ John would still be the same as it was in twenty thirteen which is in a very very thin screen like
⏹️ ▶️ John this with battery constraints if we put all those transistors behind there for the actual two x
⏹️ ▶️ John scaling of the resolution you want it would hurt us in battery life and of course our answer would be make the damn thing one
⏹️ ▶️ John millimetre thicker and be quiet but you know apple um so
⏹️ ▶️ John when i saw this rumor i was at least glad that it wasn’t going to be fourteen forty by nine
⏹️ ▶️ John hundred points just larger yeah it is a larger physical screen
⏹️ ▶️ John and it has more pixels than the smaller one which made me hope that if i was ever forced
⏹️ ▶️ John to use one of these for work which is the only way i would probably ever have one of these that i would
⏹️ ▶️ John be able to put it a native two x in and not feel like i don’t have enough room obviously
⏹️ ▶️ John this at two x would not be the same as the resolution you wanted you know sixteen eighty
⏹️ ▶️ John by ten fifty points right not quite the same but it’s
⏹️ ▶️ John better than the current fifteen inch if you put it a native two x and so i’m hoping that
⏹️ ▶️ John if i go into the store and set this one’s a native two x and look at it and go like i think i could live with that it’s
⏹️ ▶️ John reasonable especially as i get older like the fact that everything would be slightly larger at that two
⏹️ ▶️ John x resolution but there would be a more screen than maybe would it would be worthwhile but i agree i think
⏹️ ▶️ John there the fact that there hasn’t been an apple laptop with
⏹️ ▶️ John native a native point you know when the lcd is running at native res has a point resolution
⏹️ ▶️ John that matches the previous fifteen inch level in the seventeen seventy inch by the way it was nineteen twenty by twelve hundred native
⏹️ ▶️ John fixes there hasn’t been a display with that number of points
⏹️ ▶️ John point dimensions it at native res since twenty thirteen and
⏹️ ▶️ John that’s not that’s not a good streak and you know power is honestly the only thing i can think of because
⏹️ ▶️ John we know they can make a display like this and i imagine they can make it just as thin it’s just a question of how much
⏹️ ▶️ John more battery power were taken people would pay i mean maybe just i mean they need to bring back the seventeen inch right and then
⏹️ ▶️ John make a maybe they’ll feel okay about making that one thicker or maybe they won’t have to make it thicker cause it’ll have
⏹️ ▶️ John more i’ll just have more surface area to put battery in i don’t know but i think it’s another
⏹️ ▶️ John gap in their line up and hopefully they’ll fill it somehow
⏹️ ▶️ Marco what it’s just it seems to like this could be a nice differentiator for the pro line
⏹️ ▶️ Marco like and you would think the pro workflow team would bring this up at
⏹️ ▶️ Marco some point like yeah you know what the fact is like the screens being scaled does kind of suck also like
⏹️ ▶️ Marco the scaling is not free the scaling has a computational cost on the g p u
⏹️ ▶️ Marco to achieve and so like at some point surely like the cost of
⏹️ ▶️ Marco driving the more pixels has to like you know outweigh that right i don’t know
⏹️ ▶️ John it’s it’s not as much cheaper to do the computation and some dedicated hardware on the gpu and some
⏹️ ▶️ John little dinky thing than to actually do the transitional space i have to imagine that that
⏹️ ▶️ John that’s the power thing and and honestly i think that’s their their explanation would be both
⏹️ ▶️ John the power and also the idea that it’s blurry
⏹️ ▶️ John but like most people can’t tell just like no one could tell that the six plus was not at native res just because
⏹️ ▶️ John everything was so small then i imagine that the number of people who can tell the difference between
⏹️ ▶️ John the native two x and the one step down from it is also probably very small and will eventually
⏹️ ▶️ John not include you as your eyes get worse with age so i can kind i of see where they’re coming from but to
⏹️ ▶️ John your other point it’s like well then why not do that on everything why not make the seven thousand dollar display non native
⏹️ ▶️ John why not make the make five k non natives like you don’t because it is actually better this way so
⏹️ ▶️ John there should be one there should be one model that apple sells that again can
⏹️ ▶️ John match the point density at native res of the old fifteen
⏹️ ▶️ John inch not even saying there has to be one model that matches the seventeen
⏹️ ▶️ Marco if there is any model that should do it it should be this one so i hope this
⏹️ ▶️ Marco rumor is wrong i don’t have i mean honestly my confidence isn’t high because
⏹️ ▶️ Marco usually the mini quote quotes the scream resolution it’s usually correct so that’s
⏹️ ▶️ Marco i’m not i don’t have high hopes here but i really am hoping that this rumor is wrong and that they actually
⏹️ ▶️ Marco have increased it to be what it should be and kind of what they are selling like the fact that it’s
⏹️ ▶️ Marco the default mode surely suggests to people that this is what the screen
⏹️ ▶️ Marco is actually pulling off and the fact that it’s not i find bs you know and and i’m not comfortable
⏹️ ▶️ Marco with them selling it in scaling mode by default and saying here look at how great the screen is and it’s like they’re
⏹️ ▶️ Marco intentionally hobbling it you know just to achieve a faked
⏹️ ▶️ Marco increase in screen real estate really and i want it to be real
⏹️ ▶️ John i think they might sell this one in a native two x though because it’s like it’s you know it’s fifteen thirty six points
⏹️ ▶️ John across which is not sixteen eighty but like maybe they’ll actually sell it maybe the default
⏹️ ▶️ Marco will be two x maybe but that would make it look it would make it look significantly
⏹️ ▶️ Marco different and less advanced than all than all the ones next to it in the apple store
⏹️ ▶️ John well i would make it make the screen look clear and would make everything on it look bigger and clearer and bigger is actually
⏹️ ▶️ John a selling point for a lot of customers when it comes to displays on laptop
⏹️ ▶️ Marco and that’s true although most of those customers probably aren’t buying the highest end model in
⏹️ ▶️ John the store but i don’t know i mean i will say like scaling modes like
⏹️ ▶️ John only apple has these stats but i wonder how many people run their phones at like the the bigger
⏹️ ▶️ John mode you know during set up on it as you do you want this to be bigger yeah display so like if you ever watched
⏹️ ▶️ John anyone go through that process with no input from you and just like letting them pick what they want they look
⏹️ ▶️ John at the two and as far as they’re concerned they want the one where the pictures are bigger
⏹️ ▶️ John like the nuances of what that means like here’s one showing a bunch of aps and here’s one showing a bunch of
⏹️ ▶️ John aps but each ap is bigger as like oh i want the one with their bigger that is their only concern the
⏹️ ▶️ John nuances of natives don’t factor into it nor does the idea that if they’re bigger you can see fewer of them
⏹️ ▶️ John like it’s just an obvious choice oh bigger why would anyone pick the smaller one and so it’s
⏹️ ▶️ John a it’s a different different set of values leads the position so i really do wonder if native
⏹️ ▶️ John two where everything slightly bigger would actually be seen as a benefit of the sixteen inch i mean you
⏹️ ▶️ John know the screen itself is bigger and doesn’t make sense the things on screen are also bigger
⏹️ ▶️ John and also it seems a little bit sharper for some reason so maybe that’s that’s a selling point
⏹️ ▶️ Casey i’m interested to see what this laptop brings um like i said earlier i am casually
⏹️ ▶️ Casey in the market for a magic adorable replacement and to go all the way to a sixteen inch is
⏹️ ▶️ Casey probably not going to be the answer but i at least want to see what this springs and if it’s
⏹️ ▶️ Casey the sort of thing where this is the halo car of the macpro family and has something
⏹️ ▶️ Casey that i’m really interested in say a new keyboard which i’m not as you know angry about
⏹️ ▶️ Casey as marco is but still a more reliable keyboard sounds good to me you know if that arises
⏹️ ▶️ Casey in the sixteen in the fall then maybe i would wait until the spring to get like you know what would hopefully be a new
⏹️ ▶️ Casey adorable or maybe even a thirteen inch mac pro at that point that has you know the same keyboard in a somewhere
⏹️ ▶️ Casey set up i don’t know i’m curious to see this for sure though and and like you had said marco this is something new
⏹️ ▶️ Casey and new is always exciting so very curious to
⏹️ ▶️ John speak speaking of halo car and given our recent macpro musings
⏹️ ▶️ John as this open remembering that the the fiftieth non retina fifteen inch that
⏹️ ▶️ John market was talking about that higher point of higher resolution screen
⏹️ ▶️ John was an option it wasn’t the default screen so apple could offer this laptop
⏹️ ▶️ John with the screen of this exact resolution and then have as an option and upgrade option a
⏹️ ▶️ John native two x display with a higher point density and that of great opportune to be seven thousand
⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco there you go there’s your hail
⏹️ ▶️ Marco your halo car laptop yeah the funny thing like the option back then the two things about that are interesting though the option back
⏹️ ▶️ Marco then was actually very inexpensive i think it was like a hundred and fifty dollars
⏹️ ▶️ Marco it was very inexpensive to go from the fourteen forty screen to the sixteen eighty screen and marching the
⏹️ ▶️ Marco sixteen eighty screen came in two finishes matt or
⏹️ ▶️ John glossy and the finishes were in an extra cost the mat one didn’t cost an extra thousand dollars hm
⏹️ ▶️ Marco weird mhm and and the total grey cost like a hundred fifty or two hundred dollars it was it was in that in that ballpark
⏹️ ▶️ Marco and uh yeah but man if they offered this with a higher resolution screen
⏹️ ▶️ Marco and a mat option i mean seven thousand dollars would be excessive but
⏹️ ▶️ Marco like what like what do you think what do you think would actually be a reasonable price for that that apple would
⏹️ ▶️ Marco actually also charge like so both reasonable and also like realistic for apple these days
⏹️ ▶️ Marco i think four hundred dollars extra
⏹️ ▶️ John a five hundred dollars that’s what i was going
⏹️ ▶️ Marco to say sam was going to say five hundred and and i’m just saying for the resolution like for the nano texture
⏹️ ▶️ Marco i would say five and up like maybe maybe six
⏹️ ▶️ John hundred i don’t know about the nano texture like i feel like the note ture is all about like people in a particular
⏹️ ▶️ John environment where they really need to see what it looks like and they want to really take down i mean i
⏹️ ▶️ John guess it’s more important on a laptop than a desktop but i feel like the things that motivated the weird nanotech
⏹️ ▶️ John for the for the mac pro display or the x t r or whatever um maybe
⏹️ ▶️ John and at play because those same people would say i don’t care what you do with your laptop and it’s not like i’m to going to use one of those
⏹️ ▶️ John to do my work on my future film or whatever because i’ll be in the studio and i’ll i’ll be staring at a much
⏹️ ▶️ John larger screen but who knows now that they have the nanotechnology ah
⏹️ ▶️ John the nano texture technology in their tool box maybe they’ll just apply it to everything and
⏹️ ▶️ John add a astronomical markup to all their
⏹️ ▶️ Marco like like on one hand you need it for the laptop more than ever because you are
⏹️ ▶️ Marco in environments with varied lighting with laptops on the other hand i would imagine
⏹️ ▶️ Marco the nano texture is going to have a problem with cleaning
⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco finger print you’re
⏹️ ▶️ John not supposed to if you’re not supposed to touch it no i don’t know the answer that do any of you know i didn’t actually ask the
⏹️ ▶️ John people in the room of life i had heard lots of people saying oh you’re really really not supposed to touch
⏹️ ▶️ John in the architecture but then i can’t tell if that’s just saying like since it costs a thousand dollars ha ha keep people
⏹️ ▶️ John scrubby fingers away from your thousand dollar finish or if there’s an actual issue in that if you get grease
⏹️ ▶️ John in it cleaning it is difficult because you’re not supposed to like rub it or something i have no idea what’s the truth
⏹️ ▶️ Marco it actually they they provide a cleaning cloth in the box and it isn’t a thousand dollars
⏹️ ▶️ Marco they don’t provide
⏹️ ▶️ John to stand but everything comes to the cleaning cloth my thunderbolt display came at the cleaning cloth right that’s
⏹️ ▶️ John fine i just want to know like if you if someone does touch your screen is it any harder is it any
⏹️ ▶️ John harder to clean than just a regular glass screen
⏹️ ▶️ Marco well you have to hold at a seventy degree angle
⏹️ ▶️ John speaking of touching laptop screens like this so i have the air in the house that is technically the homework laptop i think
⏹️ ▶️ John its called like homework laptop or something so the kids use it for the most part i’m pretty
⏹️ ▶️ John sure none of them are touching the screen like you know accidentally or
⏹️ ▶️ John habitually like because they think it’s a touch screen because they’re not really habituated to use touch screen
⏹️ ▶️ John laptops are granted they use their eye pads all the time but i don’t think they’re actually touching it like oh i thought i get it
⏹️ ▶️ John the okay button right but the entire frame
⏹️ ▶️ John of the display is covered in fingerprints it looks worse than any of their eye pads
⏹️ ▶️ John because they like i don’t know they have grubby hands and for some reason
⏹️ ▶️ John like well i know my daughter picks up the laptop by the screen which is why
⏹️ ▶️ John all the time and that’s how she destroyed the twenty eleven laptop she destroyed the twenty eleven laptop by dropping it
⏹️ ▶️ John but also by repeatedly picking up by the screen so that the hinge became incredibly loose ah
⏹️ ▶️ John but then the dropping is what eventually crack the screen but yet like a huge amount of greece
⏹️ ▶️ John and i think about cleaning it sometimes and like why bother like in a week it’s on to look like that gain but now it’s geting to the point where
⏹️ ▶️ John like have i waited too long as the screen gone over like is it now impossible to remove the finger grease that has
⏹️ ▶️ John accumulated on the screen
⏹️ ▶️ John if i were to try to try to clean it would be removing like whatever sort of antigua air finishes
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⏹️ ▶️ Casey all righty jack fried fried eye i hope i have that right do you think applewood or
⏹️ ▶️ Casey could re implement target display mode on the imac maybe this fall in order to make a lower end display
⏹️ ▶️ Casey available for the mac pro would that be a solution for you i mean
⏹️ ▶️ Casey i guess anything’s possible but i don’t personally see them coming back to target waymo
⏹️ ▶️ Casey possibly ever on an imac
⏹️ ▶️ Marco yeah i don’t i don’t think they would either for a number of reasons i mean so this this was kind of a big deal because
⏹️ ▶️ Marco when the twenty seven inch imac first came up non retina the regular twenty seven inch imac
⏹️ ▶️ Marco this was at the time when there were no twenty seven inch twenty five sixty by fourteen forty
⏹️ ▶️ Marco sixteen eighty monitors on the market like the only ones you can get that had the twenty five sixty pixels
⏹️ ▶️ Marco across were the thirty inch class monitors at apple and a few other companies like hp sold the twenty seven
⏹️ ▶️ Marco inch imac had that same resolution and a smaller panel actually it lopped at the bottom
⏹️ ▶️ Marco a little bit it went to sixteen nine and sixteen ten or whatever it is but anyway so like it was twenty five sixty
⏹️ ▶️ Marco cross by fourteen forty and it was an awesome panel it was way you know brighter better contrast and whatever
⏹️ ▶️ Marco else than a thirty inch and when it came out the imac with this panel
⏹️ ▶️ Marco in it cost less than the thirty inch monitor did alone and it included this
⏹️ ▶️ Marco with like a quote free computer behind him basically so there was actually
⏹️ ▶️ Marco strong demand for people who wanted this kind of monitor and all these amazing spec on it and this was before
⏹️ ▶️ Marco apple sold it separately as what later became the thunderbolt display they had
⏹️ ▶️ Marco they had this target display mode where you could i think i can hold down a certain key combination or something
⏹️ ▶️ Marco and you could plug a computer into the imac and just use the imac screen as that
⏹️ ▶️ Marco computer’s monitor so because there was this kind of demand for this i know i heard a few people who tried
⏹️ ▶️ Marco it but it wasn’t actually very good because first of all
⏹️ ▶️ Marco you you know it was kind of you know wasteful conceptually in the sense like you were buying a computer to not
⏹️ ▶️ Marco use the computer part of it ever really and plug some other computer into it if you wanted to use
⏹️ ▶️ Marco both like to have the imac and maybe have a laptop you couldn’t leave the imac booted in this
⏹️ ▶️ Marco mode you have like you know rebooted into target display mode i think so it was like that was kind of weird and also
⏹️ ▶️ Marco like if the computer part of it broke or somehow like went wrong target
⏹️ ▶️ Marco play mode wouldn’t work either and so you kind of had to rely on that computer working forever
⏹️ ▶️ Marco and this was also before us as does was as like a spinning hard drive back there just spinning around doing nothing like
⏹️ ▶️ Marco it was kind of a crappy solution it wasn’t a great way to get a twenty seven inch display
⏹️ ▶️ Marco and it lasted until rena came and and when retina came they went away and there were lots of good
⏹️ ▶️ Marco reasons for that like like there at the time that the five k retina imac launch in twenty fourteen there
⏹️ ▶️ Marco was no cable standard that could drive at full resolution like thunderbolt two i don’t think could do it
⏹️ ▶️ Marco these days a thunderbolt three cable could do it so theoretically like the modern imac
⏹️ ▶️ Marco that have thunderbolt three ports could theoretically offer this but
⏹️ ▶️ Marco i think the the like hardware like wiring and support for it would
⏹️ ▶️ Marco be non trivial and i think just not a lot of people actually end up using it because it was so clunky
⏹️ ▶️ Marco to actually use in practice so while they maybe could technically do it
⏹️ ▶️ Marco not only do i not think that they will but i don’t think they should i think if they want
⏹️ ▶️ Marco to address the market that i think they i hope they want to address of
⏹️ ▶️ Marco people who want an apple made external five k display that
⏹️ ▶️ Marco is not seven thousand dollars i hope they do dress the market and if they want if they’re going to
⏹️ ▶️ Marco address the market at all they should do it properly by actually having a stand alone five k monitor
⏹️ ▶️ Marco that is like the imac without any computer attached to it like just do that again the same
⏹️ ▶️ Marco they did they did in the pre rent days with the cinema display like and the thunderbolt display just do the same thing again
⏹️ ▶️ Marco because they’re really good at that and no one else is and there’s a huge hole in the market target
⏹️ ▶️ Marco display mode is a hack that never worked very well and shouldn’t be used
⏹️ ▶️ Marco to solve this problem
⏹️ ▶️ John the amount of money they would spend getting target a play mode to work sort of doing the plumbing to get the you
⏹️ ▶️ John know to get a thunderbolt one of their thunderbolt ports or all their thunderbolt ports to be able to pipe
⏹️ ▶️ John directly into the display controller and all the other internal stuff they have in there would be weird and expensive
⏹️ ▶️ John and so much more difficult than just making a display and honestly and we talked we joked about this
⏹️ ▶️ John does he show up they just charge the same price as the one that has the computer inside it but this one doesn’t have a computer
⏹️ ▶️ John yet would still pay it it would be so high margin and people people would be happy to pay it because you’d have the anchoring
⏹️ ▶️ John of the seven grand xdr making it seem like a bargain obviously price like the low end imac and i like the top
⏹️ ▶️ John and imac pro but i think people would pay a surprising amount and probably up to honestly probably up to
⏹️ ▶️ John half the price so you could probably charge three thousand dollars for this thing and it would be
⏹️ ▶️ John a rip off but people would be like well hear my choices nothing or a three thousand
⏹️ ▶️ John dollar monitor or a seven thousand dollar monitor that has hdr
⏹️ ▶️ John high resolution and the three thousand one starts to look reasonable
⏹️ ▶️ John can find an old old l g or i can buy some weird brand that i’ve never heard of that supposedly
⏹️ ▶️ John has a five k display you know it’s the choices are slim so
⏹️ ▶️ John if i wants to make money now is the time to do it assuming there will be some future wave of people making
⏹️ ▶️ John five k displays which maybe will never come and maybe that’s why i will feel like they have to do it but if i was given the choice between
⏹️ ▶️ John you can use a five k i make some new five k mac in target display mode or
⏹️ ▶️ John for the exact same price you can have a five k under i would take the monitor because
⏹️ ▶️ John for the reasons marco said i don’t have to worry about a whole computer being back there and more things they can break even
⏹️ ▶️ John if the price was the same it’s like wouldn’t you want the free computer and you can also use it as a computer i’m like i’m not going
⏹️ ▶️ John to use as a computer it’s going to be attached to a desktop it’s not like every once in a while i’m going to yank it
⏹️ ▶️ John out of my desktop and use the second computer behind the monitor i’d rather just have the monitor
⏹️ ▶️ John so i don’t think they’re going to target display mode unless it’s real easy unless like falls out of
⏹️ ▶️ John you know the new arrangement of the internals of the new five ki mac like they’ve simplified
⏹️ ▶️ John everything because now they do have thunderbolt three so they don’t have to have that double the essentially internal double
⏹️ ▶️ John driving the display through this weird timing control they were bragging about the multiplexes
⏹️ ▶️ John in once that is simplified internally if target display bo just falls out of the fact of the internal
⏹️ ▶️ John architecture sure by all means offer it it’s like it’s you know good flexibility but it’s not what i’m looking for
⏹️ ▶️ Casey you know something that i’d forgotten about but while you guys were talking i’d remembered is that
⏹️ ▶️ Casey you can also do target disk mode which really doesn’t solve the problem we’re
⏹️ ▶️ Casey talking about here but one time or maybe a couple times just for fun i actually
⏹️ ▶️ Casey booted my work issued macbook pro
⏹️ ▶️ Casey on my imac i guess strictly speaking my imac booted itself off of my work issued mac
⏹️ ▶️ Casey pro’s hard drive so i had i was using all of my imac bits
⏹️ ▶️ Casey and bobs except instead of using the onboard ssd i was using the ssd in
⏹️ ▶️ Casey my macbook pro which was very weird and very cool and definitely had some caveats
⏹️ ▶️ Casey and drawbacks most especially the keychain lost its ever loving mind as it was basically
⏹️ ▶️ Casey a new computer at this point but it is something you can do when i did a write up about this three years
⏹️ ▶️ Casey ago on my website which lincoln show notes but um it’s it’s just something that’s a neat
⏹️ ▶️ Casey party trick for very very nerdy parties i guess
⏹️ ▶️ Marco yeah like target disk mode has been on the mac forever and it’s it’s an awesome tool for migration
⏹️ ▶️ Marco or data recovery like you
⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John know for that kind
⏹️ ▶️ Marco of that kind of thing like i don’t think it’s it’s intended and was ever intended to be just booted up
⏹️ ▶️ Marco for fun like i’ll just use my mac like this like i don’t think it’s ever been for that but but yeah for for like
⏹️ ▶️ Marco transfers and recovery it’s awesome
⏹️ ▶️ Casey i mean it was nice having my work machine on this twenty so to speak on my twenty seven inch screen i
⏹️ ▶️ Casey mean ultimately it was the imac booting off of the work machine’s hard drive like i said but you know it
⏹️ ▶️ Casey was very freeing having a twenty seven inch screen all of a sudden but it was not that juice
⏹️ ▶️ Casey was not worth the squeeze
⏹️ ▶️ John you’re bringing back the thing from the beginning of having like a little thing that you carry round that has
⏹️ ▶️ John work although the thing is very large in the case of the laptop do you recall if when you put your lap laptop into
⏹️ ▶️ John target disk mode did it show the firewire logo on the screen is like a screensaver
⏹️ ▶️ Casey i actually have a picture on my website and it is it’s a little lightning
⏹️ ▶️ Marco shows whatever the interfaces that you’re using so like modern ones will show up in her boat
⏹️ ▶️ John icon i thought there was some period of time where it continued to show the firewire logo even
⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco maybe just during
⏹️ ▶️ John the transition but i may be wrong about that that’s why i was curious
⏹️ ▶️ Marco fire wager had had a good logo like like among like the connection standard logos that we’ve had over these
⏹️ ▶️ Marco i think fire wires was the best one it looks a little bit like destiny logo oh god three pointed thing right
⏹️ ▶️ Marco i don’t even know i can’t even i can’t even judge the reference cause i don’t even know what disney log looks like
⏹️ ▶️ Marco can’t believe you don’t
⏹️ ▶️ John believe that all those videos that are all the things that i’m tweeting and retweeting about destiny i
⏹️ ▶️ John think you ought to come across it
⏹️ ▶️ Casey you don’t think that i muted that eighteen years ago
#askatp: cPanel, etc.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey i chris hubbard writes what software like cpanel does marco used to manage his servers on linode
⏹️ ▶️ Casey ah chris continues i use another shared business hosting service i had considered
⏹️ ▶️ Casey leonard but the price of a cpanel solo license is more than what my entire hosting cost
⏹️ ▶️ Marco ah i don’t use anything like that i simply administer my servers manually
⏹️ ▶️ Marco using command line stuff and setup scripts that i write and things like that uh there are and there
⏹️ ▶️ Marco are even tools now that make it even easier i can’t really recommend any because i’m not really in that
⏹️ ▶️ Marco market i’ve never used any of the other tools but things like cpanel i
⏹️ ▶️ Marco mean they they came up in the era of like bulk shared hosting where
⏹️ ▶️ Marco you didn’t have vps or cloud instances through which are basically you didn’t have those
⏹️ ▶️ Marco yet you had like dedicated servers that you could run two hundred small websites
⏹️ ▶️ Marco on and have to like manage all these different websites off of one box like that’s kind of where
⏹️ ▶️ Marco that software came up and there’s some justification for it in that kind of situation
⏹️ ▶️ Marco although even then i think you have probably better tools these days for even that kind of thing if you still do that
⏹️ ▶️ Marco but yeah these days when you’re running your own you know vps or cloud note kind of things
⏹️ ▶️ Marco like there’s i think very little reason to use that kind of stuff it does help if you’re a novice and
⏹️ ▶️ Marco it helps you like add domains and stuff like that if you’re a novice but honestly it’s probably
⏹️ ▶️ Marco easier to just learn how to do that yourself manually from the command line then
⏹️ ▶️ Marco it is to deal with any of these packages these days and i’ll say and i said on twitter too like kind of
⏹️ ▶️ Marco responded to some twitter as well like so many developers or you know nerds
⏹️ ▶️ Marco or power users will jump through ridiculous hoops to avoid learning
⏹️ ▶️ Marco how to use the command line because they think that it’s harder than it really is the fact is like
⏹️ ▶️ Marco learning basic unix man line stuff things like you know basic directory management
⏹️ ▶️ Marco file management a basic editing with a tool like vim ssh
⏹️ ▶️ Marco vi which is available pretty much everywhere on everything on every server everywhere like learning
⏹️ ▶️ Marco how to use these things at a basic level is such a critical skill for
⏹️ ▶️ Marco so many types of like advanced computer tasks and power user tasks and system administrative tasks and
⏹️ ▶️ Marco it hasn’t changed very much over time it hardly like the basics of things like using the command
⏹️ ▶️ Marco shell and piping commands to each other and things like that like that stuff hardly ever changes
⏹️ ▶️ Marco you can learn it once and it’ll be pretty stable and pretty useful for your
⏹️ ▶️ Marco entire career in all likelihood so it’s worth learning
⏹️ ▶️ Marco and it’s not that hard to learn i would say it’s easier than things like
⏹️ ▶️ Marco swift like i think it’s actually much easier to learn shell stuff than it is to learn swift um
⏹️ ▶️ Marco it’s if you are a nerd enough to want to run your own servers you have the
⏹️ ▶️ Marco capacity to learn command line basics and you really should and there’s lots
⏹️ ▶️ Marco of great documentation out there most of books is published by leonard
⏹️ ▶️ Marco but it works on any server um but you know you can you can get a server for like five bucks a month and
⏹️ ▶️ Marco just try like just try setting up a website and you know just stumble through with guides and stuff
⏹️ ▶️ Marco until you until you figure it out and you will eventually build up these skills of using command line tools and and
⏹️ ▶️ Marco editing config files and stuff like that and these skills really last a lifetime
⏹️ ▶️ Marco and they’re they’re worth learning so i would say try not using stuff
⏹️ ▶️ Marco like sea panel and not using automated set up tools and just try to signup yourself and see how far you get
⏹️ ▶️ Marco cause that that skill is worth building
⏹️ ▶️ John on thing i would add is that this i mean different people learn in different ways and i always i find
⏹️ ▶️ John this type of learning helps me but i think particularly with the command line because it’s such a large problem
⏹️ ▶️ John domain like you think of it as one thing like i know quote unquote the command line or even worse
⏹️ ▶️ John the terminal right but really it’s this entire universe of different operating systems in
⏹️ ▶️ John different shells in different pieces of software that you are manipulating from those shells on those operating
⏹️ ▶️ John systems the number of variables is huge so i think one
⏹️ ▶️ John good way to get started on this is to find some way to get a basic conceptual understanding of the
⏹️ ▶️ John relationship of the pieces to each other rather than learning i know specifically the magic
⏹️ ▶️ John things that i type to make this happen with this particular software on this platform because then it can just become
⏹️ ▶️ John like sort of cargo cutting where it’s like well i know this command and i know that command and if you don’t understand what the
⏹️ ▶️ John little you know greater than signs and ampersands and whatever else you’re typing on the command line or
⏹️ ▶️ John a dot slash and like if you don’t understand all that stuff it it can still seem like
⏹️ ▶️ John magic magic even though you’ve like quote learned it understanding the fundamentals
⏹️ ▶️ John what is all this stuff what is a terminal what is you know what happens when i type a command in his
⏹️ ▶️ John return and how does that translate into something happening that is conceptual and if you
⏹️ ▶️ John learn that then everything else is just details it’s kind of like you know learning the basics of programming you learn
⏹️ ▶️ John about loops conditionals and stuff like that and functions and like with those basics a lot of programming language
⏹️ ▶️ John become like oh just i understand what functions are just tell me how functions work in this language i understand
⏹️ ▶️ John what rays are just tell me how rays work in this language right and so that type of basic understanding no it
⏹️ ▶️ John won’t make you superduper expert and you won’t know the esoteric stuff or esoteric stuff as people tell me it’s pronounced
⏹️ ▶️ John ah but it will really help you ah it’ll really help you not
⏹️ ▶️ John feel like you’re at sea because it’s like oh i knew how to set up apache but now here’s this
⏹️ ▶️ John new thing and i have i don’t really understand what this thing’s always typing for apache to get apache to work actually
⏹️ ▶️ John meant ah so i don’t i don’t have any sort of ladder to grab onto when i’m trying to
⏹️ ▶️ John set up engine ex right so that’s my suggestion unfortunately i don’t have any suggestions are
⏹️ ▶️ John like where do i go to get that conceptual understanding but i think if you look at any piece of documentation you can tell is this just telling
⏹️ ▶️ John me how to set up a particular piece of software or is this trying to tell me this is what a shell is this
⏹️ ▶️ John is what unix is this is what thousand directories are here are some basics about it like if you see something a
⏹️ ▶️ John guide that starts with that type of information i would dive in and make sure you get some
⏹️ ▶️ John of that before you get neck deep in setting up your mice will server
#askatp: Sped-up podcasts
⏹️ ▶️ Casey and finally joseph dykstra asks what are your opinions on people listening to a t p
⏹️ ▶️ Casey faster than one act some podcasters dislike their shows being sped up as
⏹️ ▶️ Casey one of the people who does not edit this show i don’t personally have a problem with it if you
⏹️ ▶️ Casey can and want to listen to us faster than go for it and do what you gotta do john as the other personages
⏹️ ▶️ Casey not at it that showed you have opinions about this
⏹️ ▶️ John car people listen to it however they want listen to it listen to my pockets at one but i understand why people
⏹️ ▶️ John know i mean the only place that impacts my life at all is a people constantly telling us
⏹️ ▶️ John that we sound drunk when they hear is a one x but it’s funny that it’s always the same thing it’s always
⏹️ ▶️ John you sound drunk not you sound tired or slow
⏹️ ▶️ John it’s always drunk so he always go right to the drinking anyway other than that one effect don’t listen
⏹️ ▶️ John to whatever you want we’re just glad to listen
⏹️ ▶️ Casey exactly mister editor however what are your thoughts
⏹️ ▶️ Marco basically the same i mean i make a podcast app and i give people speed control
⏹️ ▶️ John the one who makes the app that does this
⏹️ ▶️ Marco make the ap that most of our listeners used to listen to the show in and i given the option and it’s
⏹️ ▶️ Marco totally fine i listen faster than one x myself to almost everything there are very few shows i listen
⏹️ ▶️ Marco to it one x most shows i listen to at about one and a quarter x so it’s not like it’s not like
⏹️ ▶️ Marco super fast but it’s faster than normal and there are indeed a lot of podcasters who who have like
⏹️ ▶️ Marco almost like a moral objection like you know we you know it or to similar features like like smart speed
⏹️ ▶️ Marco of like we put those silences in there for a reason and if you shorten them you’re ruining our editorial choices
⏹️ ▶️ Marco and like i get why people would think that but i don’t think that
⏹️ ▶️ Marco i think that we put our podcast out there for people to listen to and
⏹️ ▶️ Marco once we do that it’s in your hands like a book publisher doesn’t tell it doesn’t tell the
⏹️ ▶️ Marco readers like you aren’t allowed to skim any pages in my book you have to read every word
⏹️ ▶️ Marco very carefully you can never skim you can never look forward like that’s that’s
⏹️ ▶️ Marco impractical and unreasonable to expected people what actually happens is you
⏹️ ▶️ Marco put your work out there the way you intend for it to be done but then once you once you put it out
⏹️ ▶️ Marco there it becomes the audiences like to do with what they want and they’re not going to
⏹️ ▶️ Marco experience it the way you intend a hundred percent of the time and you’ve got
⏹️ ▶️ Marco to deal with that so we put our podcast out there and you can listen to it however you want
⏹️ ▶️ Marco as john said workers glad that you listen so
⏹️ ▶️ John thanks i feel like the point stands about though like this skimming type thing like i tina an author would feel like
⏹️ ▶️ John oh i don’t want people skimming my thing and the reason i listen to everything in one axis because i do want to hear
⏹️ ▶️ John those silences um but everyone has different priorities if you know if you don’t
⏹️ ▶️ John have time to get through an entire episode in your commute unless you do it at a faster speed or if you find it too boring
⏹️ ▶️ John to listen to people talk at one like those outweigh the thing of like oh you know because you are missing some
⏹️ ▶️ John nuances of timing that you know gaps and silence can be annoying and you’re getting rid of the annoyance
⏹️ ▶️ John but sometimes the gaps and sounds can make a joke funnier and you’re missing out on that and it’s a trade off but people understand what
⏹️ ▶️ John the trade offs are and they make the trade off that makes sense for them if time compression is more important than
⏹️ ▶️ John hearing the pauses in someone’s speech that’s the choice they make and same thing with skimming um
⏹️ ▶️ John i think if we did a music show i think all of us would have a bit more of objection
⏹️ ▶️ John is like but music it’s like it’s rhythmic and you’re hearing it faster and it’s really weird and smart me might
⏹️ ▶️ John do weird stuff to music rather than just that one little song break we have it’s not a music thing so because it’s
⏹️ ▶️ John speech i think it is less onerous but everything you said is the reason i do listen at one
⏹️ ▶️ John x and the skimming thing from authors is the reason people who make content might wish you
⏹️ ▶️ John didn’t listen to it spread up because they’d feel like you’re missing something they worked hard on like oh you skimmed that
⏹️ ▶️ John page and that was actually my best passage but you just really kind of skipped over it but that’s that’s
⏹️ ▶️ John you know there’s nothing you can do about that and i bet the author will just be happy that you bought their book and so
⏹️ ▶️ John that’s where we’re coming
⏹️ ▶️ Marco from yeah and and and there are people who watch movies at faster than one like
⏹️ ▶️ Marco that’s it’s this this phenomenon is spreading and you know we just we
⏹️ ▶️ Marco have so much media available to us in the modern world we have such a surplus
⏹️ ▶️ Marco of available media somebody who watches movies at two x or listen to podcasts at two
⏹️ ▶️ Marco x they don’t hate movies they don’t hate podcasts all the movie people
⏹️ ▶️ John kinda they kinda hate
⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John maybe yeah maybe i haven’t tried it it’s like it’s
⏹️ ▶️ John like music like i feel like speech is he is the one where it’s the most excusable because we’re
⏹️ ▶️ John not singing and you’re not listening to the melodic sound of our voices that’s not why presumably not why you’re listening
⏹️ ▶️ John to the show it’s not an asmr show right it’s transference of information
⏹️ ▶️ John and to secondary emotion which i think still comes through it whereas if it was music much less so
⏹️ ▶️ John and i feel like movie because there’s a visual element and that gets split up and everyone walks fast and stuff
⏹️ ▶️ Marco i mean honestly like i don’t want to do that to movies but i kind of get why some
⏹️ ▶️ Marco people do because it’s like the same thing and you know when we have this this massive surplus
⏹️ ▶️ Marco of content available to us like the reason i speed up podcast by a little bit it’s because
⏹️ ▶️ Marco i want to listen to more podcasts and like and i have i have more podcasts than i want to listen to than i have
⏹️ ▶️ Marco time sometimes if i get really behind in my cue and and i have this mass of cue i’m not going to go delete
⏹️ ▶️ Marco things i want to listen to i will just increase my speed for that week and then once i’ve run out of things
⏹️ ▶️ Marco i’ll slow slow it back down again you know that’s that that’s a control i have like and i’m
⏹️ ▶️ Marco doing all this so that i don’t have to cut things so i don’t have to listen to fewer
⏹️ ▶️ Marco podcasts and i still have room to try new podcasts like that’s why i do this
⏹️ ▶️ Marco so if and that’s i think that’s the reason why most people do it like most people i know who
⏹️ ▶️ Marco listen to podcasts faster than one listen to a ton of podcasts so if their alternative
⏹️ ▶️ Marco is just listen to fewer feel and everyone loses there so yeah
⏹️ ▶️ Marco people can listen to whoever
⏹️ ▶️ John they want a good example of a set of videos sessions i often watch it faster than
⏹️ ▶️ John one x just because there’s lots of pot because they you know apple trains their speakers to take their time and pause between
⏹️ ▶️ John slides which is great and everything but sometimes i more or less know most of the material and i just wanted to go to the good stuff
⏹️ ▶️ John so just letting it run at one point five acts while half paying attention to it is the great way to do that that’s that’s
⏹️ ▶️ John visual but it’s mostly just spoken word and slide so i don’t get to see people walking across the stage really fast
⏹️ ▶️ John and making it distracting
⏹️ ▶️ Marco right and i do occasionally when they’re going in and demo like i do the same thing i usually watched every video at like one
⏹️ ▶️ Marco point five back and yeah it does sound a little bit funny and people do walk funny when you see him coming on and off
⏹️ ▶️ Marco but it’s fine because like that’s something like not everything is a masterpiece of art like there
⏹️ ▶️ Marco like not every not every video that people watch is a handcrafted piece of
⏹️ ▶️ Marco film that like has been made by experts to every second counts like a lot of people watches like stuff
⏹️ ▶️ Marco on youtube and so to watch some of that at two x like two x wouldn’t be fast enough for
⏹️ ▶️ Marco a lot of the stuff i find on youtube and it’s the same
⏹️ ▶️ Marco thing is true for podcast so many podcasts like ours are produced in a
⏹️ ▶️ Marco casual conversational format where like we are not heavily editing
⏹️ ▶️ Marco this show we are not scripting this show like if you’re listening to one of the big publishers podcasting
⏹️ ▶️ Marco every line of what you’re listening to from almost all the major podcast are produced by these big
⏹️ ▶️ Marco companies those are scripted almost every single line is scripted and then is edited to an
⏹️ ▶️ Marco inch of its life like they have massive production and writing going into them
⏹️ ▶️ Marco even things that sound off the cuff are usually not on the big shows they are almost always
⏹️ ▶️ Marco scripted and so when you’re listening to something like that like they can say oh we handcrafted all these silences
⏹️ ▶️ Marco all these words all these phrases you can’t gloss over any of this because it was all made intentionally
⏹️ ▶️ Marco that isn’t true for most podcasts most podcasts are done closer to what we are doing
⏹️ ▶️ Marco here of just people talking and they’re they’re off the cuff maybe they’re going off of an outline maybe they have a few
⏹️ ▶️ Marco things they want to say but for the most part it’s more conversational that’s part of what makes the medium great i think is like people
⏹️ ▶️ Marco i think people really appreciate the conversational nature of it but that is going to also have by definition
⏹️ ▶️ Marco a lot of dead space a lot of you know dead air and phrasing that was that is wasteful
⏹️ ▶️ Marco and people repeat themselves like i do all the time having something that goes through it faster
⏹️ ▶️ Marco you’re not missing this marvelous work of art between every single word you’re just hearing conversation
⏹️ ▶️ Marco a little bit faster and that’s totally fine anyway thanks to our sponsors this week
⏹️ ▶️ Marco hover square space and fracture and we’ll see you next week
Ending theme
⏹️ ▶️ Casey now the show is over they didn’t even mean to begin because
⏹️ ▶️ Casey it was accidental it was accidental
⏹️ ▶️ Casey john didn’t do any research marco and casey wouldn’t let him because
⏹️ ▶️ Casey it was accidental it was accidental
⏹️ ▶️ Casey but you can find the show not to
⏹️ ▶️ John do fm and if you’re into twitter
⏹️ ▶️ Marco you could follow them c a s e y l
⏹️ ▶️ Marco i assess to that’s k c s m a r c o a r m
⏹️ ▶️ Marco ant marco arman s i r a c users
Don’t install the betas!
⏹️ ▶️ Marco don’t install the betas oh my god why is
⏹️ ▶️ Marco everyone installing the bates why did apple make this the public beta did you
⏹️ ▶️ John hear that marlin installed on his phone and his eye bad i mean i did but
⏹️ ▶️ John that’s stupid on his main phone on you saw it on your
⏹️ ▶️ Marco main phone yeah i waited till beta two and i saw on my main phone and it solved
⏹️ ▶️ Marco it totally solved my robocall problem but it introduced a lot
⏹️ ▶️ John of other problems i’m glad you waited till beta two which shows that you weren’t like i can’t wait i have to
⏹️ ▶️ John install it but i think you just waited for the number to go from one to and did make
⏹️ ▶️ John beta two actually better than beta one in terms of stability like well it’s one more so i’m installing it
⏹️ ▶️ John is so bad i wouldn’t i wouldn’t even install beta to on my eye pad i haven’t installed
⏹️ ▶️ John anywhere i wanted beta to my eye pad but then i’m like let me just read about this a little bit and i said i must
⏹️ ▶️ Marco wait a little let me let me tell you people it’s probably already too late for most of you but if it’s not too late
⏹️ ▶️ Marco if you’re still on the fence and you haven’t installed betas yet don’t install the betas the public beta is garbage
⏹️ ▶️ Marco the public beta should not have been released as a public beta it is developer beta two of everything that’s what
⏹️ ▶️ Marco it is and developer beta two is terrible it feels like beta one still
⏹️ ▶️ Marco like an average to poor quality year i have tons of beta
⏹️ ▶️ Marco problems on my beta on my developer two installs of everything the ipad is bad
⏹️ ▶️ Marco the phone is bad a catalina i’m not really using much i’m only booting into it occasionally so
⏹️ ▶️ Marco i don’t know how bad it is but a lot of people are having problems with these betas these are really rough you
⏹️ ▶️ Marco should not be running these and and i do think apple has done a great disservice by releasing
⏹️ ▶️ Marco such an incredibly rough set of builds as the public betas
⏹️ ▶️ John so merlin doesn’t yell at me the four weeks from now recorded the next episode translated
⏹️ ▶️ John from hyperbolic conversational podcast speak what marco was saying is that even the very latest
⏹️ ▶️ John builds of the public beta are not particularly stable and you should be aware of that he says it as don’t install
⏹️ ▶️ John that but obviously if you need to install it or if you want to install it and just deal with the bugs we just want you to know
⏹️ ▶️ John what you’re getting into so what we’re telling you is that they are not stable and tons of crap doesn’t work if you hear that and
⏹️ ▶️ John say that’s fine i still want to install it go for it right but we just want you to be aware that
⏹️ ▶️ John if you if you have experiences based on iowa’s twelve beta you thought our betas aren’t that bad
⏹️ ▶️ John this is more back to the bad old days of iowa’s five where the beta is like barely even functional
⏹️ ▶️ John and basic things don’t work so just so you’re aware of that so when people say don’t install the beta
⏹️ ▶️ John speaking half to merlin and half to the people they’re not saying literally i forbid you to install the beta by
⏹️ ▶️ John all means install it if you want installed just be aware where we are providing new information and experience
⏹️ ▶️ John that we either have done it ourselves foolishly or know other people who have done it and have felt
⏹️ ▶️ John the pain and so now you know is this a pain that you want in your life maybe it is maybe you got a spare device
⏹️ ▶️ John go crazy or maybe not speak
⏹️ ▶️ Marco for yourself i actually mean donna ali betas
⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John all right well it’s really bad margo
⏹️ ▶️ John margo has and you from installing the beta as everybody that said i’m sorry i tried to stop him
⏹️ ▶️ Marco but yes and there’s a number of good reasons why so first of all like and one
⏹️ ▶️ Marco thing that i didn’t even do that i didn’t consider but that that a friend of ours remarked the
⏹️ ▶️ Marco the other day that i think it’s a really good point like on i o s you know
⏹️ ▶️ Marco you can you can always step back from a beta if you like do a full restore with these certain steps like
⏹️ ▶️ Marco you’re able to unibet a something so you kind of have a way out on macos i’ve mentioned how i
⏹️ ▶️ Marco do this separate install in a separate apfs volume or partition whatever they call them
⏹️ ▶️ Marco so that way like the data stays separate from my mohave installation your you do a dual boot
⏹️ ▶️ Marco scenario or some people would do um you know external disks to do that so you you’re
⏹️ ▶️ Marco kind of keeping it separate but one thing that i didn’t consider that i’m i’m always bad at whenever i do this is
⏹️ ▶️ Marco that i cloud and your eye cloud data your eye cloud account
⏹️ ▶️ Marco is your primary data volume in a lot of ways and you are you are locking
⏹️ ▶️ Marco into a beta with your eye cloud account you’re locking into your main data
⏹️ ▶️ Marco and eye cloud is especially risky to do this with because if your eye cloud account
⏹️ ▶️ Marco gets messed up by the data there is no time machine for eye cloud there
⏹️ ▶️ Marco is no recovery for eye cloud you can can’t just go and like restore your data
⏹️ ▶️ Marco back to where it was on eye cloud so in a way logging into your eye cloud
⏹️ ▶️ Marco account on a beta is like the most risky thing you can possibly do to that data because
⏹️ ▶️ Marco you are putting it at the whims of the beta world which is often very unreliable especially in the
⏹️ ▶️ Marco early betas especially with icloud data and you can’t step it back like once
⏹️ ▶️ Marco once that data is touched by the new installation like that’s it it isn’t in its own little separate sandbox you
⏹️ ▶️ Marco are dealing with your live and permanent eye cloud data with beta software so
⏹️ ▶️ Marco if you are going to install the betas not only should you do it on dedicated hardware
⏹️ ▶️ Marco you should also not log into your icloud account with it and so you start to start to
⏹️ ▶️ Marco think about like what this actually means in practice like if it’s not on your primary devices and you’re not going
⏹️ ▶️ Marco to log into ye clad from it what the hell are you going to do with
⏹️ ▶️ John it i mean that’s that’s why we have the same conversation with merlin and i you
⏹️ ▶️ John know i was surprised that people were just thinking of this now because it’s been true as long as icloud as existed
⏹️ ▶️ John and that’s why i had all those apple ids member big apple id saga all those apple ids
⏹️ ▶️ John were the apple ids that i would use with beta versions of macos right cause i would never use my real applies it was
⏹️ ▶️ John worse back in the old days if you like they would just completely hose your data routinely and then there were sort of the
⏹️ ▶️ John middle years where the apple was upgrading the storage format do you remember that like they changed the storage for out of notes they
⏹️ ▶️ John moved them from imap into like their regular stuff and sometimes when they you know like there would be
⏹️ ▶️ John back one way back in transition that if you you know if you did transition
⏹️ ▶️ John like your notes on that apple i’d be your other devices could no longer read it or could you know couldn’t
⏹️ ▶️ John couldn’t read it correctly or it’s even true today it’s not like sitting in front of el cap on this mac
⏹️ ▶️ John i can’t see some of the notes that i create on newer operating systems on this mac it still works with
⏹️ ▶️ John them but the notes that are made with like newer features just don’t show up at all on this mac
⏹️ ▶️ John um so if you’re going to have betas and you’re going to be installing them have spare apple
⏹️ ▶️ John ids it’s kind of a pain in the butt as i discovered especially when you decide you don’t need them any more but that’s the
⏹️ ▶️ John safe way to do it spare applies with fake data and it’s like what are you even doing you’re basically doing what i would
⏹️ ▶️ John do for my reviews you’re exploring the operating system in the same way it’s on a separate volume it’s
⏹️ ▶️ John with separate applies you start filling your fake applies with semi real data
⏹️ ▶️ John you can see what it’s like like it’s not fun you know opening up notes and seeing no notes you don’t know
⏹️ ▶️ John how the sink works until you start adding notes and adding pictures to your notes and all the other stuff but that’s that’s definitely the
⏹️ ▶️ John safest way to do it now i have to say in recent years apple has hosed your eye cloud
⏹️ ▶️ John data far less often but since i’ve always been using spare apple id’s
⏹️ ▶️ John i can’t say that definitively ah you know i usually what i do is i wait until i the release
⏹️ ▶️ John before the final release and then i’ll put my real apple idea on a beta system and usually by then it’s fairly safe than
⏹️ ▶️ John in your stuff but not always and as for time machine for eye cloud it it’s especially true
⏹️ ▶️ John of things of big data sets but for small datasets you do have an out and i’ve used this out a couple of times
⏹️ ▶️ John for example contacts lets you save what they they still call it an address book archive or whatever
⏹️ ▶️ John lets you save a single archive of all the information and worse and it’s small because like how many
⏹️ ▶️ John contacts do you have worse case scenario if i icloud hoses everything just wipe all
⏹️ ▶️ John of your contacts wipe it from every single device wipe it from you know just i have zero contacts and then just restore
⏹️ ▶️ John from the address book archive you can’t do that with a hundred thousand photos i meditated in your photo library
⏹️ ▶️ John so you know there there is no time machine for select sets there is a way
⏹️ ▶️ John to export or re import but in general a use testing apple ids and then
⏹️ ▶️ John just deal with the fact that you’re going have twenty apple id’s that you have to call apple about five years from now
⏹️ ▶️ Casey i really want to put thirteen on my ipad and i do have some travel
⏹️ ▶️ Casey coming up in a couple of months when presumably whatever beta were on if not the released
⏹️ ▶️ Casey version at that point will be much
⏹️ ▶️ John all better right before you get on the plane that’s the best time to install but you moment to travel it with betsoft
⏹️ ▶️ John ware is awesome you should be installing it while you’re on battery at
⏹️ ▶️ Casey the airport wifi that’s funny um no but i really want to put it on my
⏹️ ▶️ Casey ipad really badly and i have resisted so far and from everything i’ve heard
⏹️ ▶️ Casey even before recording this episode it sounds like i’ve made the right call and usually
⏹️ ▶️ Casey it’s been at least passable by public data time and and as you’re saying marco
⏹️ ▶️ Casey everything i’ve heard is that it is not even possible yet and to stay away which is what
⏹️ ▶️ John doing i made a joke about installing your thing in the airport but if casey don’t remember
⏹️ ▶️ John i did tonight i was didn’t reinstall i reset my
⏹️ ▶️ Casey, John i dear vis i left
⏹️ ▶️ John the hotel and didn’t realize that it was it was failing to pair with my phone entirely and
⏹️ ▶️ John i talked to the apple watch experts in line around me a kinder underscore
⏹️ ▶️ John and he said yeah you just need to reset you know race race all day whatever that option
⏹️ ▶️ John is called where you know reset in a race all data on your watch and a series hero takes like
⏹️ ▶️ John an hour and a half to do that maybe it was two hours and i was looking at him like is this going to you know
⏹️ ▶️ John because i’m not anywhere near a charger it’s just on my wrist i think it was at least an hour watching that
⏹️ ▶️ John it was a long thing slowly but but it didn’t kill the entire battery it did actually reset
⏹️ ▶️ John everything and pair with my phone again and i restored a backup from you know the last time
⏹️ ▶️ John i had worn my watch and everything turned out fine