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291: John's Special Day

Apple Watch Series 4, iPhone XS, iPhone XS Max, iPhone XR, and another truly special event.

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  1. Intro: Twitter’s no fun
  2. Follow-up
  3. It’s blowaway
  4. Leaks
  5. The Clicker
  6. Sponsor: Betterment
  7. Watch: Sizes
  8. Watch: Heart features
  9. Sponsor: AfterShokz (code atpbundle)
  10. Watch: Sizes, cont’d.
  11. Editions & removals
  12. Watch: Miscellany
  13. Sponsor: Molekule (code ATP)
  14. iPhone XS, XS Max
  15. iPhone XR
  16. No more SE
  17. No more AirPower?
  18. HomePod, tvOS, macOS
  19. Ending theme
  20. Post-show: Special

Intro: Twitter’s no fun

⏹️ ▶️ Casey I gotta tell you it was slightly refreshing not having to keep up with Twitter

⏹️ ▶️ Casey and the and live stream but man screw Twitter.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah can we talk about that for a second? Like we’ve always had so much fun using

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Twitter basically like you know live live tweeting the event and seeing everyone’s reactions and retweeting all the funny

⏹️ ▶️ Marco stuff and getting all these like great comments from people and tweeting out quick little quips like you know in real time

⏹️ ▶️ Marco at what’s happening in the event and you know Twitter I mean Twitter Twitter is becoming a lot less

⏹️ ▶️ Marco of a fun place for lots of reasons, but one of them that’s more recent

⏹️ ▶️ Marco is when they took away the streaming API from third-party clients a couple of months ago

⏹️ ▶️ Marco now. I think it just sucks now. You can still do it. So you can

⏹️ ▶️ Marco either use Twitter’s official apps, which are terrible, especially on the Mac where there’s really no good option.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco By the way, I know there’s some like WebView wrappers and stuff that wrap the Twitter website. Those suck too.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Sorry to the people who wrote those, but just Twitter’s website sucks. So you know you’re working with crap there. So you know Twitter you

⏹️ ▶️ Marco know killed its own Mac app a while back now and so like and they made it so third-party apps

⏹️ ▶️ Marco can’t use streaming anymore. So what that means is you can still live tweet stuff on Twitter, but you have to like

⏹️ ▶️ Marco go keep hitting refresh on the timeline like you know scrolling to the top and refreshing it and waiting and then seeing tweets pouring

⏹️ ▶️ Marco in big chunks instead of like you could usually just watch it kind of flow down as people are tweeting everything.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco And so it just is way more cumbersome now. It just kind of makes it a lot less fun, and it just

⏹️ ▶️ Marco adds to the overall problem of just Twitter in general being a lot less fun these days. And I

⏹️ ▶️ Marco also noticed like there was a lot less traffic, like a lot fewer people were live tweeting it this year,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco or making comments about it. It just seemed kind of like a ghost town, and like about, I

⏹️ ▶️ Marco don’t know, about halfway through, I just kind of gave up too, like I just kind of stopped. It just wasn’t fun on

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Twitter this time. I’m not sure I’m gonna do it in the future.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey I tried using TweetDeck. It was slightly better than just seeing it come

⏹️ ▶️ Casey in random chunks from TweetBot, but only slightly. And the whole

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Compose workflow in TweetDeck is hilariously bad and is completely contrary to

⏹️ ▶️ Casey doing anything quickly. And so, yeah, hot takes were just not hot

⏹️ ▶️ Casey this year. There were no hot takes. And that made me sad because, I mean, as much is

⏹️ ▶️ Casey on the one side I know several people at Apple I know they work hard on this stuff

⏹️ ▶️ Casey to throw out a hot take is kind of obnoxious on my part but it’s part of the fun man it’s

⏹️ ▶️ Casey just kind of poke fun at it and have a blast just kind of making jokes just like you said Marco

⏹️ ▶️ Casey and and you know catching each other’s jokes and playing off each other’s jokes and I don’t know I just always

⏹️ ▶️ Casey enjoyed that and it wasn’t always snarky but a lot of times it was snarky.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco It’s an event, you know? It’s almost like our sports games. People

⏹️ ▶️ Marco like me who don’t have much sports affinity, this is our sports games. Similar to

⏹️ ▶️ Marco how people live blog and tweet and face sports

⏹️ ▶️ Marco games, this is our version of that. And this is our community getting together

⏹️ ▶️ Marco to have some fun and watch this event together and comment on it. And yeah, we’re occasionally snarky,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco but it’s mostly just in good fun. And it used to be this fun event, and

⏹️ ▶️ Marco now it’s hard to have fun when it’s like this white Nazi platform that keeps making its apps worse.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey I shouldn’t laugh because it’s so true. It’s not so

⏹️ ▶️ John fun anymore. Trying to think about if the tweet volume was down. I think it might have been.

⏹️ ▶️ John I’m comparing it to WWDC in my head. WWDC is one of the few times where very often I just

⏹️ ▶️ John can’t read all the tweets because there are so many during the keynote, and I’m usually not reading Twitter much during the keynote

⏹️ ▶️ John itself, by the time it’s over, like Twitter, the Twitter API only lets you go back so far. So even though I’m a Twitter completionist

⏹️ ▶️ John at a certain point, it’s like you can’t, you missed it. Like it’s off the end of the thing. It’s like, oh well.

⏹️ ▶️ John Uh, but this time when I went back to read all the tweets that I was, I couldn’t, I couldn’t read Twitter during the thing. I tweeted

⏹️ ▶️ John a few times and uh, bits and pieces, but I didn’t, I couldn’t actually read Twitter during the thing. It was

⏹️ ▶️ John too long or whatever. Anyway, I caught up on all the tweets that happened during the keynote. I’m already caught up on them. I

⏹️ ▶️ John read them all. They didn’t

⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey go go off the end.

⏹️ ▶️ John Even tweets that started before the event began are still in my timeline. So it just seems like

⏹️ ▶️ John that in the people that I follow, there were fewer tweets during this event

⏹️ ▶️ John than in the past. Definitely fewer than WWDC and I think probably fewer than most

⏹️ ▶️ John phone events. I have to also wonder how much of that was the fact that it’s like every single thing leaked, which I’m

⏹️ ▶️ John sure we’ll talk about

⏹️ ▶️ Marco in a little bit. But still, like this is the iPhone event. This is a big deal. Like this is not a small

⏹️ ▶️ Marco event that no one’s watching. Even with a lot of things leaking, this is still a really big deal with tons

⏹️ ▶️ Marco of people.


⏹️ ▶️ Casey I really don’t want to start on a down note and then I brought up something that’s a downer. So let’s

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, John talk about something that makes at least

⏹️ ▶️ Casey one of us happy. Usually three of us. Let’s talk about some follow up. John, I guess. Tell us about

⏹️ ▶️ Casey some leaked images for Nokia phones.

⏹️ ▶️ John I can’t even believe we’re doing a follow up on an event thing. We normally do no follow up on an event shows. Yeah.

⏹️ ▶️ John Why are we doing this?

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Well, we only have a couple and one of them is vindicating me. So we have to do it. Okay.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, John Yeah, that explains it. Um,

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco this was,

⏹️ ▶️ John this item someone to send because I thought it was funny. Uh, the last show I did, I, I, I misquoted it

⏹️ ▶️ John because it’s hard to do it on the fly, but I was doing a, a reference to the old

⏹️ ▶️ John article on the onion, uh, where the headline is, uh, F everything, but they don’t say F F everything.

⏹️ ▶️ John We’re doing five blades. The, uh, funny exaggeration of, uh, the war

⏹️ ▶️ John of adding blades to razors that later came to pass when many years later they actually did start selling racers

⏹️ ▶️ John with five blades so i said like after everything we’re doing uh five cameras

⏹️ ▶️ John apparently nokia uh there’s some sort of leak of a nokia phone that actually

⏹️ ▶️ John has five cameras in the back which isn’t that ridiculous because there is that like light field cameras

⏹️ ▶️ John that use multiple cameras but i don’t think this is a light field camera i think it’s just literally five cameras

⏹️ ▶️ John uh so it’s pretty silly but just like the just like the razor blade thing apparently someone is actually

⏹️ ▶️ John planning to to do this because why not.

It’s blowaway

⏹️ ▶️ Casey But the most important piece of follow-up, which Marco will inevitably cut because he’s a mean, mean, mean

⏹️ ▶️ Casey man. Phil, Phil has used the word Memoji

⏹️ ▶️ Casey during the keynote and he called it Memoji. And I feel completely and utterly vindicated

⏹️ ▶️ Casey now.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco It’s blow away. It’s

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, Casey breakthrough. That’s just

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John me. Yeah.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Oh,

⏹️ ▶️ John that’s just me. The team worked really hard on it. I was excited by it. At a certain point,

⏹️ ▶️ John there was an opportunity to say blow away. Like very early on, there was an opportunity to say blow away. rethink this is and then it was

⏹️ ▶️ John an adjective coming and they didn’t say blow away. I’m like, oh, they finally broken the habit, but not more than like 30 seconds later

⏹️ ▶️ John blow away. So you just can’t can’t avoid it.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco It’s everywhere. And he used breakthrough the same way probably four or five times. Yeah.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey However, we did get a customer satisfaction instead of customer sat, which I was very pleased by.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey So see, things are already on the up and up. So…


⏹️ ▶️ Casey All right, we should probably just dive right in and talk about the September event. Oh, I’ve left you a really clean edit point.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Now you’re definitely gonna cut follow-up. That’s terrible. Oh, man. So the September event has

⏹️ ▶️ Casey happened, and we knew most of what was going to happen,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey which seems to be a common theme lately, which is too bad. Well,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco to some degree. I wouldn’t necessarily say we knew most of it. I mean, we knew a lot

⏹️ ▶️ Marco of the stuff that was that was announced. We knew a lot of the hardware basics of, you know, here’s

⏹️ ▶️ Marco the screen sizes of these new phones and watches that are coming out. But we didn’t know a

⏹️ ▶️ Marco lot of the software stuff. And I think, kind of more importantly,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco we didn’t know what wasn’t going to be announced at this event. Because there was a whole lot of stuff. I mean, I read that

⏹️ ▶️ Marco comically long list last episode of the things that we expect to happen this fall from Apple. And

⏹️ ▶️ Marco they made it through maybe a quarter of it in this event and we knew that was probably not going to

⏹️ ▶️ Marco happen all in one place but we didn’t know like which quarter of this is going to happen

⏹️ ▶️ John during this event. But we did though because they found time between the last show and this show to leak

⏹️ ▶️ John more stuff.

⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey But they put up their site map

⏹️ ▶️ John early, the site map early and on the site map were links and URLs and stuff and

⏹️ ▶️ John from that you could surmise that if something doesn’t appear in the site map it’s not going to be announced and everyone

⏹️ ▶️ John did surmise that and said, oh, I guess no iPads today because there’s no iPad. So it confirmed the names, which we had rumored

⏹️ ▶️ John before, but now we got confirmed by all the sitemap essentially. And we’ll talk about the names a little later, but

⏹️ ▶️ John what we said last show, the rumors were last show. Those are the actual names confirmed by the sitemap.

⏹️ ▶️ John And we knew what was going to be released. Obviously, we were all expecting no Macs, but I was surprised

⏹️ ▶️ John to see no iPads because they weren’t in the sitemap and they weren’t in the keynote ditto for AirPods, AirPower,

⏹️ ▶️ John and all sorts of other stuff. So it amazes me how much Apple,

⏹️ ▶️ John unintentional Apple leaking is going on. Like, no, this is not like deep industrial espionage.

⏹️ ▶️ John Like, they’re putting things up on the public web too soon and it seems dumb. But

⏹️ ▶️ John I’m sure they’ll figure it out maybe next time. They’ll do better. But this time,

⏹️ ▶️ John we got one last minute leak to confirm all the rumors before. And for me to basically, it was kind of disappointing

⏹️ ▶️ John to already know what was going to be announced. And Apple itself at the top of the show said we’re going to talk about

⏹️ ▶️ John two products today. Not that we all didn’t already know that from the sitemap, but they just like double confirmed

⏹️ ▶️ John it to to manage expectations. So I thought was smart and I do wonder if they added that in because they know how much

⏹️ ▶️ John actually leaked.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey So

The Clicker

⏹️ ▶️ Casey So it all started, other than this web, the

⏹️ ▶️ Casey web map link or whatever it is, but it really started in my mind for,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey I don’t know, it was maybe half an hour, less than that? No, it was 10 minutes before the show. Tim tweeted

⏹️ ▶️ Casey something very curious and everyone got really confused. He tweeted the following. It said, no,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey who can get it here quickly? And we all were kind of cackling thinking, oh man,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey I guess he was trying to send a text message know, ha ha, old people, lol.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey And then the intro video happened, which was entirely

⏹️ ▶️ Casey about getting something to the keynote as quickly as possible. And his tweet was deleted,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey was it not? Yeah, it’s deleted. I love this. Everyone is going to write in and tell me how wrong

⏹️ ▶️ Casey I am and blah blah blah, so stupid, I think it was awesome. I think it was hilarious.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey And I definitely approve.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco It was a little stupid, but it was

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, Casey stupid in

⏹️ ▶️ Marco the dad humor way that Apple stuff usually is. So not stupid as like,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco oh, groan, I never want to think about that again, like the YouTube finger touch, but

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, Casey it’s more like,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco oh, that was kind of a dumb, cheesy, but fun video for an intro to a corporate event.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco It was fine. I thought it was kind of a funny gag that the deleted

⏹️ ▶️ Marco tweet was actually an intended thing here. That to me was the best part.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco The actual film itself I thought was a little cheesy, but you know, otherwise

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, Casey fine.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I think there was a very interesting part of it though. I’m sure we’ll get to the lack of air power later

⏹️ ▶️ Marco and the lack of air power probably holding up the update to AirPods, but turns

⏹️ ▶️ Marco out in the video it sure looked like the lead character was saying, hey Siri,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco into her AirPods and hey Siri, stop.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco she’s saying it into her air pods without tapping them first and one of the rumored

⏹️ ▶️ Marco features of the new air pod update is always listening hey Siri

⏹️ ▶️ Marco so it seems like they made this video with the intention of releasing these

⏹️ ▶️ Marco new air pods by now and that didn’t happen and there was no mention of them at all whoops

⏹️ ▶️ John yeah I thought deleting the tweet was the the key part of that that was funny. There’s only two things that

⏹️ ▶️ John I could possibly like that rub me a little bit the wrong way about the video. Not rub me the wrong way,

⏹️ ▶️ John but like how it could have been better. Well, the first is it

⏹️ ▶️ John didn’t have anything to do with any of the stuff that was announced. There was no there was no through line. There was no theme. There

⏹️ ▶️ John was no connection. It was just like, yes, during the presentations, the presenter uses a clicker and this was

⏹️ ▶️ John a mission impossible thing. But nothing on the show, nothing in the event had to do with the clicker

⏹️ ▶️ John or Mission Impossible or anything like that. So, eh, whatever. And

⏹️ ▶️ John what was the second thing I was gonna complain about? Second is that I’m old and I forget things. Ha ha

⏹️ ▶️ John ha. Join the club, John,

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco join the

⏹️ ▶️ John club. It’ll come back to me at some point in the show. But anyway, I thought the, oh, here it is, I got it. That didn’t

⏹️ ▶️ John take long. The second thing is, this, like, the videos look

⏹️ ▶️ John good, and they spend time and money on them, right? One of the things I tweeted when

⏹️ ▶️ John I saw the intro video It was, I think this is the first Apple intro video to include

⏹️ ▶️ John stunt work, because the person like jumps over the railing of the stairs

⏹️ ▶️ John in one of the big Apple buildings, right? Presumably onto some kind of air mat that’s

⏹️ ▶️ John off screen or whatever, a bunch of cardboard boxes. Stunt work, like I was trying to look, see is that a stunt person

⏹️ ▶️ John or did they get the actor to actually do it? Anyway, they’re expensive. Done well,

⏹️ ▶️ John shot well, shot on Apple’s campus, You know, it’s just very interesting

⏹️ ▶️ John and a lot of money is spent. And the dad humor part of it, the marker always kind of groans at and rolls his eyes

⏹️ ▶️ John like, oh, you know, they’re not that funny, whatever. Like, you can just see people in a room saying, what are we going to do with the intro

⏹️ ▶️ John video for this one? It’s like, what can you think of? It’s funny. And some of us I know, Tim’s clicker and we’ll do a mission impossible thing.

⏹️ ▶️ John Yeah, you know, whatever. But the whole point is, there is a bunch of people gathered around

⏹️ ▶️ John to come up with an idea for an intro video that they’re going to spend a ton of money on. And I’m not

⏹️ ▶️ John entirely sure that that money is well spent. Like not that Apple doesn’t have enough money. It’s a silly complaint.

⏹️ ▶️ John It’s like, well, what else are they going to spend it on? Are they hurting for cash? Is this really going to cause a problem if someone’s not going to

⏹️ ▶️ John get their bonus because they spent $2 million on a intro video that wasn’t that funny? No, probably

⏹️ ▶️ John not. I’m mostly just thinking about the mental time and energy. Maybe it’s all the people doing it or

⏹️ ▶️ John like this is their job. I don’t know. I think I’m just being a little bit sour about it. But like overall,

⏹️ ▶️ John I think this is one of the better interview videos. And the video itself was extremely well done did not have any

⏹️ ▶️ John groaners in it the overall theme and execution were You know middle of the road

⏹️ ▶️ John and just fine and there was nothing embarrassing about it

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco And

⏹️ ▶️ John you know it makes people smile a little bit at the beginning of the thing so I guess that’s that’s all you can Ask for I just I guess

⏹️ ▶️ John I keep making the bar higher and higher It has to be like dramatic meaningful connected to the

⏹️ ▶️ John thing in the show not cost so much money that I feel like they wasted It like I don’t know what I’m even looking for but

⏹️ ▶️ Casey I mean I thought it was good. I enjoyed the video I mean, yeah, it’s dad-jokey, but whatever. That’s Apple these

⏹️ ▶️ Casey days. And I just thought that the brouhaha over Tim’s tweet was tremendous.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey I loved it. That was the best. That was so well done. It really, really was. Especially, I mean, I could

⏹️ ▶️ Casey see somebody being like, well, that’s kind of insensitive isn’t the word I’m looking for, but of poor taste, given all

⏹️ ▶️ Casey the leaks that have been happening

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, Marco recently.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey I think leaning into it a little bit, whether that was deliberate or not, I thought it was great. I loved it.

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⏹️ ▶️ Casey So we started with the Apple Watch, and what was the gentleman’s name that did it?

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, Marco Was it Jeff Williams? Is that right?

⏹️ ▶️ Casey You should know him, he’s probably gonna be the next CEO. Wouldn’t surprise me. He was

⏹️ ▶️ Casey a little bit dry, I thought. I heard a lot of moaning about how boring he was. I

⏹️ ▶️ Casey didn’t think he was that bad, but a little bit dry. But he did introduce something that I personally am super amped about.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey And I will just cut to the chase and say of all the things announced today, I personally think the watch

⏹️ ▶️ Casey was the thing I am most excited for and most impressed by, which is really annoying

⏹️ ▶️ Casey because I was not planning on buying a watch this year, but it seems like I’m going to have to, especially

⏹️ ▶️ Casey since neither of you two numbskulls really believe in the Apple watch anymore. But, um,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey I love the look of this new Apple watch. I’m but I’m also deeply conflicted because

⏹️ ▶️ Casey They have gotten bigger the 48 millimeter is now excuse me The 38 millimeter is now 40

⏹️ ▶️ Casey millimeter. The 42 millimeter is now 44 millimeter and I have little tiny wrists

⏹️ ▶️ Casey I did a little experiment earlier tonight and I took a piece of twine and wrapped it around my wrist and measured my

⏹️ ▶️ Casey wrist To be pretty much exactly Seven inches around

⏹️ ▶️ Marco and whoa, hold on. Hold on. That is not a small wrist That is-

⏹️ ▶️ Casey That seems so tiny, like my- these little teeny tiny wrists.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Okay, this is gonna- there’s gonna be a lot of joke potential here and I’m just gonna blow right past it. Alright. Mine

⏹️ ▶️ Marco is 6.75 and that is considered pretty average and I can wear a lot of very common watch

⏹️ ▶️ Marco sizes very comfortably.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey No way. Maybe my- maybe my twine was stretched or something. I tried very hard because admittedly

⏹️ ▶️ Casey twine was not the best material to use but it was the first thing I had around.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco So how does the 42 look on you now? The current model 42.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, Casey See,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey if I remember, I will take a picture and put it in the show notes. I think I am on

⏹️ ▶️ Casey the bleeding edge of acceptable with my watch as it is right now. Like I think it’s

⏹️ ▶️ Casey fine, but I think I’m right on the edge. And so I am really

⏹️ ▶️ Casey worried about how this is gonna look on a watch that’s two millimeters bigger,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey which is kind of ridiculous, because especially to an American, two millimeters is effectively nothing to

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, John me.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, Marco Well, not in a watch size.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey But that’s the

⏹️ ▶️ Marco thing, right? That’s the thing. Yeah, in a watch size, two millimeters is very significant. I mean,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco if you look at the previous ones, 38 and 42, that’s four millimeters. And those are

⏹️ ▶️ Marco very different sizes visually. And so, think about this being literally just, it’s about

⏹️ ▶️ Marco half of that magnitude. It’s a very, it’s a half step between those two, basically.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco On a watch, that’s a pretty big deal. Like for me, a two millimeter watch size increase, that’s

⏹️ ▶️ Marco enough to make a difference between whether it fits my wrist or not. Like that’s a very noticeable difference.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Right, and that’s why I’m super worried about it, and I’m not sure what to do. But we can kind of glaze

⏹️ ▶️ Casey past that for now. The reason I bring up that my wrist is seven inches is because if you look

⏹️ ▶️ Casey at the Apple Watch website, which I should have had handy, but I do not, so I will stall, and just say

⏹️ ▶️ Casey that when you go to like, buy one, it says, you know, oh, this is designed to fit wrists of such

⏹️ ▶️ Casey and such a size. and whatever the sizing was, which I will find momentarily as I continue to stall,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey I landed directly in the middle of that, basically. To your point, Marco.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Well, and the reality is, it sounds like you and I have very similarly sized

⏹️ ▶️ Marco wrists, and there’s some variation, like whether the top of your wrist is flat or not. So, you can’t go quite by circumference

⏹️ ▶️ Marco being the only thing that matters. But basically, we’re probably in the ballpark. And for me, the current 42

⏹️ ▶️ Marco looks fine, but I really don’t I really wouldn’t want

⏹️ ▶️ Marco it to be bigger. You know I’m I very well might if for my future watches

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I might switch down to the to the new 40 size like and and this is it’s hard to compare

⏹️ ▶️ Marco watch sizes between different watch families from different watch shapes in general like you know there’s there’s a couple of like you

⏹️ ▶️ Marco know kind of size classes common in watches 40 millimeter is probably the most common size

⏹️ ▶️ Marco class for most watches these days but you can’t compare like if you wear a 40

⏹️ ▶️ Marco of like a a round watch, maybe a 42 of a square watch might

⏹️ ▶️ Marco look similar, you know, like, or if you wear like a 40 with one company’s design

⏹️ ▶️ Marco that uses like long lugs, and then you wear another one with a company that uses shorter lugs, or

⏹️ ▶️ Marco one that has, you know, basically a thick margin, like a big wide bezel around the face, or one

⏹️ ▶️ Marco that has a thinner bezel around the face. Those all will like visually read differently, and they will

⏹️ ▶️ Marco look different, they will land on your wrist differently. So this is the kind of thing that I strongly suggest,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco you know, it’s very similar to the first Apple Watch when it was first released. Because the sizes are now

⏹️ ▶️ Marco different, I suggest for anybody who’s looking to buy one of these things, if at all possible,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco if you can wait, try them on in the store first before you pick a size. Because

⏹️ ▶️ Marco it’s really hard to ever predict with just like doing research ahead of time, or like just seeing pictures

⏹️ ▶️ Marco on the internet. It’s really hard to ever predict how a watch will fit you, especially if you’re kind of maybe between two

⏹️ ▶️ Marco sizes like we are here. So I strongly suggest see these in person,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco try them on in the store before you order one. If you can’t do that, be ready

⏹️ ▶️ Marco to use a return policy if need be because you won’t be able to

⏹️ ▶️ Marco guess very accurately how well these will fit because they’re now a different size.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Yeah, so the 40 millimeter watch, Apple says the band fits 130 to 190 millimeter wrists.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey The 44 millimeter is for 145 to 220. So the overlap is between 145

⏹️ ▶️ Casey millimeters and 190 millimeters according to Apple. Seven inches is 177.8 millimeters.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey So I am about 180 millimeters, which would be at the top end of what the 40

⏹️ ▶️ Casey is supposed to be able to handle, and toward the lower end,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey but a little more buffer on what the 44 is supposed to be able to handle. So

⏹️ ▶️ Casey the reason that I’m doubly stressing about this is that not only do I have, you know, I’ve always

⏹️ ▶️ Casey had the bigger watches, which in and of itself, fine, if I have to go to the smaller size, whatever, but the good news

⏹️ ▶️ Casey to cut a little bit forward in the keynote is that the bigger

⏹️ ▶️ Casey watch band, the existing 42 millimeter bands will fit the 44

⏹️ ▶️ Casey millimeter watch if I understand how things played out

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, Marco correctly.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco That is right.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey And the existing 38 millimeter bands will fit the 40 millimeter watch.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey But what happens if you or I, Marco, or whomever, decides to go

⏹️ ▶️ Casey from the big guy to the little guy? I would assume that ain’t gonna fly

⏹️ ▶️ Casey anymore. So all of my watch bands, of which I don’t have that many, I probably have four or five, and to be honest,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey only a couple are Apple watch bands. The rest were like cheap Amazon knockoffs, but still, man, like I don’t wanna

⏹️ ▶️ Casey have to rebuy all that stuff. And so I’m inclined to try to force myself to like the 44,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey but I am deeply worried in the first worldiest of first world problems

⏹️ ▶️ Casey that the 40 might be the better fit for me.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Well, I mean, the reality is like, you’d probably be okay with either of them. And the 44

⏹️ ▶️ Marco will probably be fine. But again, it’s worth seeing in person just in case. It also,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco it is thinner. And, you know, so we were speculating last week when we saw that leaked marketing image, which was totally

⏹️ ▶️ Marco real. We were speculating like, It looks like it’s way thinner. It’s not way thinner, it is thinner though. It is,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco it’s 0.7 millimeters thinner. And that is a noticeable

⏹️ ▶️ Marco savings. It’s not gonna dramatically change the way the watch looks or feels. Like

⏹️ ▶️ Marco it isn’t a dramatic change, but it is a nice change, it’s welcome. It’s, you still

⏹️ ▶️ Marco have the pretty big sensor bump on the back. They didn’t quote a size or a depth for that,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco but the images make it look like it’s about the same, so we probably don’t have to worry about like, you know, cheating by putting more back

⏹️ ▶️ Marco there or anything like that. So it does look like it is noticeably thinner, but it’s still not a super

⏹️ ▶️ Marco thin watch as watches go. As smart watches go, I think it’s doing pretty well. But that also, again,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco that’s gonna make it wear a little bit thicker or a little bit larger or a little

⏹️ ▶️ Marco bit differently compared to what you’re used to in the past maybe. So again, you gotta try these in person if

⏹️ ▶️ Marco you can. So yeah, we’ll all know in what, a week or two when they come out?

⏹️ ▶️ Marco We’ll all know roughly people who actually have these things will be able to actually say like, oh, it’s

⏹️ ▶️ Marco very close to the old one or it’s not very close to the old one.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Now, Ben Beharin, Bejarin, I always get that wrong. Thank you.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey He actually was at the hands-on area and tweeted a picture of both watches on his wrist.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey So the 44 further up his arm, closer to the elbow, which is a little bit, I think,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey it’s a little bit of like an optical illusion because his arm is a little bit bigger up there. And then the, what

⏹️ ▶️ Casey I believe to be the 42 millimeter in its standard position, presumably that is

⏹️ ▶️ Casey his actual 42 millimeter watch. And they don’t look that different, but it’s different

⏹️ ▶️ Casey enough that I’m worried. So…

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Also, like I mentioned earlier, like, you know, when like with certain watches, like one of my favorite brands is Nomos.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco They’re a pretty popular brand these days. Nomos watches, their millimeter size

⏹️ ▶️ Marco seems small compared to most of their watches. Like they have a a very popular line that like

⏹️ ▶️ Marco one of the sizes is 37 and a half millimeters but it has a very very thin

⏹️ ▶️ Marco bezel so it has like a very thin margin in CSS terms basically and when you look at that on a wrist

⏹️ ▶️ Marco even though it’s 37 and a half it looks good on wrists that like a 40

⏹️ ▶️ Marco millimeter watch usually looks good because the bezel is so thin what you’re looking at really is the dial

⏹️ ▶️ Marco and the size of a dial with a super thin bezel looks visually like a larger

⏹️ ▶️ Marco watch with a regular-sized bezel. That same effect looks like it’s happening here, especially

⏹️ ▶️ Marco in Ben Maharan’s tweet picture here, where even though the watch itself, the new watch,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco isn’t that much bigger footprint-wise, effectively it has larger bezel because

⏹️ ▶️ Marco you’re not seeing as much screen margin there, like the stuff on the screen is going all the way to the edges. So visually it’s reading

⏹️ ▶️ Marco like a much larger watch. So looking at this picture, I would say that is substantially

⏹️ ▶️ Marco bigger than the old one, at least visually, like it reads bigger. And And that inspires

⏹️ ▶️ Marco me to maybe check out the smaller one.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Yeah, so the thing of it is that I’m — and we can maybe talk about this later, so

⏹️ ▶️ Casey no commentary from you guys necessary at the moment — but I presume I’m the only one who’s going to try

⏹️ ▶️ Casey to get this on day one. And if that’s the case, I would really like

⏹️ ▶️ Casey to order in advance, but I don’t want to just flush $500, which we’ll

⏹️ ▶️ Casey also talk about in a moment. I don’t I don’t want to flush $500, so what do I do? I don’t want to try to do

⏹️ ▶️ Casey it in store on day one. So am I that guy

⏹️ ▶️ Casey and I order one of each and just return the one I don’t like, which is really wasteful and I don’t think it’s a kind

⏹️ ▶️ Casey thing to do. It’s certainly allowed, but it just seems wrong to me. So I don’t know what I’m going

⏹️ ▶️ Casey to do, but I’m stressing about it. This is, again,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey I recognize this is the first worldiest of first world problems, but I don’t know, man. tools

⏹️ ▶️ Casey that you could like print out a faux Apple watch which somebody put together when the original one came out

⏹️ ▶️ Casey you know but it would be cool if Apple did that you know like make a PDF that that you could print that that you could cut

⏹️ ▶️ Casey out really delicately and put on your wrist to see how it looks or somebody make that

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, John for me

⏹️ ▶️ John go to the store and try it on what are you doing

⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey that

⏹️ ▶️ Casey first day and

⏹️ ▶️ John you don’t need to I don’t why do you need to have it on day one you didn’t even need a watch you said I wasn’t gonna buy a watch

⏹️ ▶️ John and obviously need

⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey to have you see

⏹️ ▶️ John one what’s your hurry where you got to be

⏹️ ▶️ Casey I I gotta talk about it on the show! You’re welcome! Hey, I’m doing this for you.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco It does look a lot better than the old one.

⏹️ ▶️ John Yeah, so one of the things I put in there was a link to, uh, was it also

⏹️ ▶️ John Ben Maharn? I don’t remember. Someone’s tweet had a picture of the watches from the side showing the

⏹️ ▶️ John Series 3 and the Series 4, both in, I assume, the big size, but viewing them on the

⏹️ ▶️ John side, again, to get the thickness thing. You know, so there is a measurable difference, although I’m still not entirely sure

⏹️ ▶️ John what Apple is measuring, whether they’re measuring the lump. they’re not to the screen or or they’re just measuring

⏹️ ▶️ John the metal part

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco or they’re not measuring the

⏹️ ▶️ John lump i assure you are they measuring the screen on top yes

⏹️ ▶️ Marco they’re measuring the top to the top of the screen to the bottom of the case not counting the lump

⏹️ ▶️ John yeah all right well whatever they’re measuring it’s weird um so but in this side view again this is like

⏹️ ▶️ John less than a millimeter difference it’s like point point seven millimeters and you would think well that’s so small you won’t

⏹️ ▶️ John even notice it well so take a look at this image we’ll put in the show notes in this tweet with them from

⏹️ ▶️ John the side. Um, this is from a tweet where, let me see if I can hit the back button finally saying that the difference

⏹️ ▶️ John is noticeable. Like you will notice it. Human beings will notice it guaranteed. Like you will not be confused if

⏹️ ▶️ John you gave these two watches that, Hey, which one is thicker. And if you look at the watches, like this is what was coming through

⏹️ ▶️ John in the pictures, like the picture was in a weird angle, whatever. This is not a weird angle. This is pretty much dead on sideways. Uh,

⏹️ ▶️ John as another picture, I also, we’ll also put in the show it’s from Apple’s website showing just the series three from

⏹️ ▶️ John the side. The trick is, and I just measured this with with like X scope, the crowns

⏹️ ▶️ John are digital crowns are basically the same size between the phones, you know, at least in pixels in this image, right?

⏹️ ▶️ John And so the digital crown, you know, is a little bit taller than the metal part of the case in both

⏹️ ▶️ John the phones. Well, then look how much phone there is left below the digital crown

⏹️ ▶️ John in the series three versus the series four. And again, look at the second picture in the show notes. There There is a

⏹️ ▶️ John lot of case below the Series 3 crown. There is substantially

⏹️ ▶️ John less case below the Series 4 crown. Is that where all.7 millimeters

⏹️ ▶️ John went away? So it’s not, I don’t think the phone is as thin as I thought it was going to be, but it is

⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey definitely noticeably thinner.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey You keep saying phone before anyone writes you. You keep saying phone instead

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, John of watch. I’m

⏹️ ▶️ John with you, but just FYI. Yes, we all know we’re talking about watches, sorry. Yeah, it’s definitely noticeably thinner. I also think maybe

⏹️ ▶️ John the lump is thinner too. they don’t give luck measurements it’s hard to tell um

⏹️ ▶️ John but yeah i feel like it will sit on your wrist in a different way uh and well it remains to be seen

⏹️ ▶️ John like i will have to go to the store and try it on if i get one of these and the prices are scaring me away but if

⏹️ ▶️ John i do get one of these i would definitely have to try it on because i’m in the same situation i don’t think

⏹️ ▶️ John i could get away with the big one i think i might have to go on to the small one

⏹️ ▶️ Marco and also by the way like see seeing this like side by side with the series three i think just reinforces

⏹️ ▶️ Marco how incredibly ugly the Series 3 was. Like I think we’re gonna look back on the Series 3

⏹️ ▶️ Marco with its giant thick case and its huge ugly red dot as just a real low

⏹️ ▶️ Marco point of Apple design.

⏹️ ▶️ John Well, the other thing is that, I mean this is not a design thing, this is more of a tech thing, but this has happened

⏹️ ▶️ John with the phones over the years. You can’t go back to the one that had the little

⏹️ ▶️ John sharp edge square screen with huge borders around it. Like you didn’t, it’s OLED so you

⏹️ ▶️ John can’t really tell where the screen ends, but you look at them now and you’re like what were they wasting all that space on

⏹️ ▶️ John the series 0 through 3 watches for like the screen is just as little postage stamp in the middle of the thing whereas

⏹️ ▶️ John now the series 4 is like ah finally the screen can actually fill the face of the watch

⏹️ ▶️ John instead of being this tiny square that is in the middle of that that’s that’s

⏹️ ▶️ John the big difference the rounded corners I suppose also are a factor but it just

⏹️ ▶️ Marco oh god let me tell you about those rounded corners as a developer

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John yeah I know

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco but let’s

⏹️ ▶️ John them fill every nook and cranny if you don’t have them you can’t bring the screen to the edges otherwise you what do you

⏹️ ▶️ John do with the corners you have this you’d have this sharp edge corner touching the rounded edge of your thing and that’s no good

⏹️ ▶️ John yeah

⏹️ ▶️ Marco a few minutes using the simulator so far and I already immediately understand

⏹️ ▶️ Marco why the Apple Watch is not round because these are headed corners and I’m cutting into all my interfaces and everything

⏹️ ▶️ Marco looks terrible and I have to adjust everything thing basically padded inwards. Oh, God.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey All right. So let’s talk about some of the features.

Watch: Heart features

⏹️ ▶️ Casey It, I think the most interesting feature that I heard,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey other than, you know, the bigger screen and the new complications, but the thing that I perhaps expected the least

⏹️ ▶️ Casey was the EKG slash ECG. I guess it’s the same thing, just they use different

⏹️ ▶️ Casey acronym for it for whatever reason. Basically you can track your heart beat

⏹️ ▶️ Casey or heart rhythm, I should say. So it’s more than just how many times your heart is pumping,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey but it’s what, you know, the way in which it’s pumping, the rhythm of it. And

⏹️ ▶️ Casey if I understood the keynote correctly, and I haven’t had the time to go back and re-watch, there’s a new

⏹️ ▶️ Casey sensor on the back, so there’s an electrode, or is it one or two electrodes? It doesn’t really matter. Some amount of electrodes

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, Marco on

⏹️ ▶️ Marco the- It looks like there’s two on the back, and then it also uses the digital crown as a third.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Exactly.

⏹️ ▶️ John That’s why they had to get rid of the red dot. They would have kept it, but they needed the metal contact. Thank God for the DKG.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Thank God

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, Marco for that.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco In addition to all the other wonderful things it’s gonna do, it killed the red dot. Yeah.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey So, so, um, yeah, I, I think this is super cool. I, to my knowledge, don’t

⏹️ ▶️ Casey have any heart issues of any kind, but this is still awesome. And it can be super awesome

⏹️ ▶️ Casey for people who don’t think they have heart issues. And in fact, there was a video, um, which I don’t,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey they didn’t play during the keynote and I’ll have to dig up a link to it, but there’s a video where they do kind of like a deer apple,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey like they did last year with Kyle’s the gray and a fellow relay cohost, James T. Green was on it,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey but, um, they talk about all these people who had like random heart issues that were unexpected

⏹️ ▶️ Casey and that the watch caught them. And this is the old watch before the EKG

⏹️ ▶️ Casey or whatever it is. So I think this is super cool. And what’s perhaps even more interesting about

⏹️ ▶️ Casey it is that it’s FDA approved as in whatever tier and I am so

⏹️ ▶️ Casey far out of my comfort zone right now, but whatever tier of EKG this is. So this is, I guess, like an EKG

⏹️ ▶️ Casey light or something like that. But the FDA has acknowledged it as the real deal, which makes me

⏹️ ▶️ Casey wonder, you know, I’ve heard rumblings of some insurance companies paying for Apple watches for their, uh, their,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey uh, subscribers in order to help them track, you know, their, their health and exercise

⏹️ ▶️ Casey and whatnot. Well, this could make that an even more appealing thing. You know, this could make it

⏹️ ▶️ Casey even more appealing for insurance companies to perhaps fund an Apple watch. So maybe I should just wait on an Apple

⏹️ ▶️ Casey watch to see if my sweet, sweet insurance provider that I’m paying a fortune for, uh, could maybe provide

⏹️ ▶️ Casey this for me, me, which would be interesting. But I just thought that was super cool and I’m really, really excited about that.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah, I mean, I think to me, like the heart stuff on, so, you know, so last year they added the,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I think it was last year when they added the notifications for if your heart rate was too high for

⏹️ ▶️ Marco what you appeared to be doing, which, you know, that’s already helped a bunch of people. This year they

⏹️ ▶️ Marco added a notification for your heart rate if it’s too low for what you appear to be doing, like it’s, if it’s suspiciously

⏹️ ▶️ Marco low and then, you you know, this new ECG kind of sensor, that allows them to

⏹️ ▶️ Marco do atrial fibrillation or AFib detection. That is, the combination of these things,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco this is huge because, you know, heart problems like this, things like AFib are extremely

⏹️ ▶️ Marco common. Like lots of people have these things or might have these things or might have this happen

⏹️ ▶️ Marco to them. And so to have this built in is really cool. I mean, you know I’m,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco you know, I’ll call Apple out on anything, you know, dumb they do or anything that’s overblown, this

⏹️ ▶️ Marco is not one of those things. This really is a really big deal and it’s really cool

⏹️ ▶️ Marco that they’re doing this. And it does seem like, you know, it isn’t like a full-blown

⏹️ ▶️ Marco ECG like you get in a lab or in a doctor’s office, but it’s something, you know, so it’s like a simpler

⏹️ ▶️ Marco kind. The FDA approval appears to be a fairly like low class

⏹️ ▶️ Marco approval by what people are saying. Again, we don’t know what we’re talking about so forgive us. And it also notably

⏹️ ▶️ Marco these features are only launching in the US so far. They made they kind of blew by that quickly but they says I mean like

⏹️ ▶️ Marco you know where it’s only launching in the US for the for these new heart features and launching in the rest of the world

⏹️ ▶️ Marco like you know sometime. They didn’t give a date for the rest of the world but they said they’re working on it. I’m guessing there’s probably you know regulatory

⏹️ ▶️ Marco medical issues there but it is at least interesting they’re doing this

⏹️ ▶️ Marco and even if it turns out to be you you know, not as amazing as like full-blown

⏹️ ▶️ Marco version of these things would be, it’s still on your wrist all the time on a device that you have anyway,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco and a device that is fairly affordable too. So that’s pretty good. This

⏹️ ▶️ Marco is not a small deal. This is a very big deal, and I think this is way more significant

⏹️ ▶️ Marco than things like the Breathe Face or the Stand Reminders. Like that’s all kind of like fluff stuff. This is real

⏹️ ▶️ Marco stuff. This is the real deal that will actually save people’s lives.

⏹️ ▶️ John the affordability and the always on things like that’s relative to the alternatives. The alternatives

⏹️ ▶️ John are maybe you go to a doctor and you get this measurement done like the real measurement done. But how often do you go

⏹️ ▶️ John to a doctor or maybe you have a machine in your house, a very expensive machine in your house that you use every day.

⏹️ ▶️ John It’s still less frequent and requires more effort and it’s probably more expensive

⏹️ ▶️ John in the case of the big medical machine that you actually have in your house than a thing you just passively wear on your wrist. Like

⏹️ ▶️ John the stories that we all hear about this are not from people who know they have terrible heart problems and are on this, you know, complicated

⏹️ ▶️ John regime involving lots of checkups and stuff, but it’s people who think they’re perfectly fine or people who are developing heart

⏹️ ▶️ John problems who also just happen to have an Apple watch that’s on all the time, right?

⏹️ ▶️ John That’s it’s catching a new class of things where these people were never going to say, you know what? I think I should go to the doctor

⏹️ ▶️ John every month from now on just to check my heart because they don’t know they have any problem, but they’re just wearing this watch and

⏹️ ▶️ John maybe you can pick up something. So this is this is a new a new class of awareness that’s why they have the the

⏹️ ▶️ John american heart association guy up there talking about stuff like doctors must love this because they know how difficult

⏹️ ▶️ John it is to get people to come into the office to to have enough appointments maybe they can’t come in because their

⏹️ ▶️ John insurance doesn’t pay for enough appointments and if it was up to them they would like to have them checked more often like

⏹️ ▶️ John not that they need to see the doctor but they need to get measured it’s like if you could strap a device to them oh it’s big and it’s clunky

⏹️ ▶️ John and i don’t want to have a medical device and i can’t afford it and my insurance won’t pay for it and blah blah blah This is,

⏹️ ▶️ John you know, the problem is of course the Apple watch is still a multi-hundred dollar watch that only rich people are going to wear and so on and so forth,

⏹️ ▶️ John but it’s progress from, you know, that’s the way technology works unfortunately, from nobody

⏹️ ▶️ John having it to rich people having it to eventually hopefully this will be democratized over, you know,

⏹️ ▶️ John next several years.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco We are sponsored this week by Aftershocks bone conduction headphones. I love

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⏹️ ▶️ Marco what’s great about these there’s nothing to make your ears super sweaty so they’re great for

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⏹️ ▶️ Marco rain and for sweat and for heat. But they’re also very practical when you’re doing pretty much anything

⏹️ ▶️ Marco outside like walking or jogging or whatever because you can hear the world around you.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Because the way bone conduction headphones work is they don’t block up your ears with some kind of thing protruding into them

⏹️ ▶️ Marco or some kind of big pad that sticks around them or on top of them. These little transducers rest

⏹️ ▶️ Marco next to your ears and they send tiny vibrations that you can’t really feel, but you can hear them in your eardrums.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco And so you hear the sound being picked up by your eardrums that they’re making, but you also hear

⏹️ ▶️ Marco the sound of the world around you. So it sounds to you as if you’re not really wearing headphones, but you can still hear

⏹️ ▶️ Marco the sound that they add for podcasts or phone calls or whatever else. So it’s great when you’re outside and you want to be able

⏹️ ▶️ Marco to hear like if a car is going by, or if you’re doing errands around the house and you want to hear if someone’s knocking on the door or something

⏹️ ▶️ Marco like that. And they’re also just really good Bluetooth headphones. So of course they’re wireless, they

⏹️ ▶️ Marco have great battery life, They have great range, they have of course built-in microphones for phone calls and the

⏹️ ▶️ Marco quality is great. They are effectively weightless. Like they’re so small, so compact they

⏹️ ▶️ Marco can fit in a jeans pocket or a shorts pocket and they are basically, they’re like one ounce, they

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Watch: Sizes, cont’d.

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⏹️ ▶️ Marco Real time follow up. I just looked at Casey’s picture that you sent of your Apple Watch on your wrist. You should get the small

⏹️ ▶️ Marco one.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, Marco No, don’t tell me

⏹️ ▶️ Marco that. Sorry, you’re right on the edge now and if that gets slightly larger and the screen goes at your edge,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco it’s gonna look too big on you. Sorry.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey these things.

⏹️ ▶️ John What are you worried about? How many, like you said, you don’t have, you don’t have like a one of the Darth Vader link

⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey bracelets or any of the super

⏹️ ▶️ John expensive things. You’re fine.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey I know, but I don’t know. It’s an expensive watch. I don’t want to spend…

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, John Oh, you don’t

⏹️ ▶️ John need to buy a new watch. You should wear this one for another year.

⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey That’s true. That’s what I should do.

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco Also, by the

⏹️ ▶️ Marco way, like how big you wear your watch on your wrist is also a personal fashion

⏹️ ▶️ Marco decision. Like there’s no law that says you have to be traditionally proportioned in

⏹️ ▶️ Marco what size watch. Like, you know, one of the reasons I think they’re probably doing this, um, which

⏹️ ▶️ Marco admittedly it is slightly disappointing that they’re making it a little bit bigger because it kind of, it seems like it’s kind of like

⏹️ ▶️ Marco a loss on the miniaturization angle. Uh, but I think one of the reasons it does make sense to have a larger

⏹️ ▶️ Marco high-end model because the mass market for watches is up there in like

⏹️ ▶️ Marco the 44, 45, 46 millimeter range. Like that’s people, people like really

⏹️ ▶️ Marco big watches. The Apple watch actually looks kind of small to a certain

⏹️ ▶️ Marco pretty large market. Like lots of people want big big watches that are bigger

⏹️ ▶️ Marco than even the current 42. So I think that actually makes a lot of sense to go bigger on the big one. But

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I think what this is going to do is push a lot more people into the smaller one that were previously

⏹️ ▶️ Marco buying the big one.

⏹️ ▶️ John Yeah the bigger one they made this point about both of the watches again emphasizing the thickness. They’re all are bigger

⏹️ ▶️ John you look at them they’re bigger right but they have the volume is less than the the sizes they replace. So despite

⏹️ ▶️ John the fact that they’re wider because they’re thinner, they make up they more than make up for in their thinness,

⏹️ ▶️ John the increased size and going bigger does make sense. Uh, mostly

⏹️ ▶️ John for men or people with very large risks. Unfortunately, like people love the 38 because

⏹️ ▶️ John lots of, you know, to get a smartwatch of any kind, they’re all tend to be very large because they’ve got little computers in there. It’s

⏹️ ▶️ John hard to make computers that small. And the 38 was the smallest full featured smartwatch by

⏹️ ▶️ John far. What if you have very small risks? Now if you have very small as you may have been pushed out of the

⏹️ ▶️ John market because you may find the 42 big. So I still think I mean, if we look at the phones, you know, there’s,

⏹️ ▶️ John uh, it took us a little while to go from one phone to two phones to eventually three phones with the

⏹️ ▶️ John whole thing. And now, you know, we have various combinations of three phones with the five and the six size and

⏹️ ▶️ John the se and now the se is gone and we got the other three sizes. But I, I definitely think there’s actually room for

⏹️ ▶️ John three watch sizes. We’re just not there yet because just as there was room for a bigger one bigger

⏹️ ▶️ John than 42 there remains room for one that’s smaller than 40 maybe even one that’s smaller

⏹️ ▶️ John than 38 if they can get it down to there. Obviously battery life is an issue, but I think the line is still maturing.

⏹️ ▶️ John This is a this is the first new form factor more or less that the phone the phone.

⏹️ ▶️ John God, I love calling it the phone that the watch is that the watch has ever had. Uh, you know,

⏹️ ▶️ John like I know they change thickness and they, you know, move things around and so on and so forth. But this is clearly

⏹️ ▶️ John a new form factor, new screen, new, you know, it’s totally new. You won’t confuse it with the other ones.

⏹️ ▶️ John Give this a couple of years. Then I think it’s time for them to introduce a third watch

⏹️ ▶️ John and and rejigger the line because I’m thinking of my wife who has worn

⏹️ ▶️ John all the 38th and she’s going to put on a 40. She has small wrists. I’m wondering if the 40 is going to seem a little too big. I’m sure

⏹️ ▶️ John she’ll just deal with it but it’s kind of disappointing for the low end. Yeah, agreed.

Editions & removals

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Also, let’s pour one out for a lot of the things that are gone as of today.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco So, of course, the steel version of Watch Series 3 is gone, but that’s no surprise. That happens every year. The

⏹️ ▶️ Marco edition is gone. There is no more product called Apple Watch Edition, no more product made

⏹️ ▶️ Marco of ceramic. Of course, the gold ones were killed a while ago.

⏹️ ▶️ John We forgot to mention, speaking of ceramic, all of the new Series 4

⏹️ ▶️ John watches have ceramic backs. Yeah, that’s true. So like they’ve learned from the down market

⏹️ ▶️ John additions that were ceramic that no one knows about except for Marco because no one else pays attention

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco to the addition

⏹️ ▶️ John after the gold ones,

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco right? But they apparently made

⏹️ ▶️ John ceramic ones, they made it in white and like dark

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco gray

⏹️ ▶️ John or something maybe?

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah, well initially it was just white for series two and then series three it was white and kind of

⏹️ ▶️ Marco a medium gray that honestly, I thought the medium gray looked really bad, but that’s just me. Again, this is

⏹️ ▶️ Marco all personal preference. But the white I thought looked nice, I actually briefly owned one. It was actually really nice

⏹️ ▶️ Marco in a lot of ways, but nobody bought them. I mean, let’s be honest. I’m gonna

⏹️ ▶️ John be honest. Yeah, but they were way cheaper. They were only like a couple hundred dollars more than the regular ones, right? Instead

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco of being

⏹️ ▶️ John thousands and

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco thousands. Yeah.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco The gold was like, you know, starting at 10 or 15,000. And as far as

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I know, like zero people bought those. The ceramic started at, I think, 1,200. And

⏹️ ▶️ Marco that was right in line with like, you know, if you bought the steel with the link bracelet, that was about 1,000 or 1,100. So like,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco you know, to have this be 1,200 or 1,300, like that was actually fairly reasonable.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco If you look now, what’s left in the lineup now, which I’m sure I’ll mention in a second, the

⏹️ ▶️ Marco pricing has all gone up. So the steel

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John is

⏹️ ▶️ Marco now $100 more than it was last year. And the aluminum, I believe,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco is $70 more. Is that right? Something like that? But anyway, so the steel is already pushing

⏹️ ▶️ Marco into the upper $600 to $1,000 territory, or $700 to $1,000 territory.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco And then the Hermes versions are still around and they seem to basically

⏹️ ▶️ Marco be the new additions. And so it’s still the steel body that you know they have the steel body not like a special material

⏹️ ▶️ Marco that I think is smart. It’s a little disappointing that they couldn’t like you know make those higher end things

⏹️ ▶️ Marco work but can’t blame them because nobody was buying them. And it turns out I mean

⏹️ ▶️ Marco geez I’m surprised the steel even still exists. Like you hardly ever even see the steel watch anywhere

⏹️ ▶️ Marco you see it tons of sport watches or I guess aluminum now they call them do they even still call them sport.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco So you see tons of aluminum ones everywhere but the steel you hardly ever see.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Oh no they don’t call them sport you’re right I apologize I was about

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, Marco to correct you. The bands

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, Casey are

⏹️ ▶️ Marco called

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, Casey sports.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah yeah. Anyways let’s also also pour one out for the nylon strap. Gone no more nylon straps

⏹️ ▶️ Marco they only have the sport loops now in the nylon category which honestly it’s fine the sport

⏹️ ▶️ Marco loops are really nice but the nylon bands were really nice and comfortable too they just took a while to dry if they got wet.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Also the classic buckle, the original leather one, that’s gone. The smaller

⏹️ ▶️ Marco one, the modern buckle is still there, only for the small size, but the classic buckle, which was honestly

⏹️ ▶️ Marco very, very nice, that’s gone now. And the link bracelets

⏹️ ▶️ Marco are a curious thing. They, I believe you can’t buy a watch with it, like,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco stock anymore, and if you look at the current collection, like the, like, you know, the current bands,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco link bracelets are not there. If you scroll down to the bottom of the page, there’s a link that says, Explore bands

⏹️ ▶️ Marco from previous seasons. And if you click that, you can get a couple of the old

⏹️ ▶️ Marco sport bands, a couple of the old Nike bands, and then the two link bracelets. That

⏹️ ▶️ Marco suggests to me that if you want a link bracelet, I would act on that sooner rather than

⏹️ ▶️ Marco later. Because I bet those are actually being discontinued in just some kind of

⏹️ ▶️ Marco slow, painful way. Yeah, so that’s it. So there’s fewer choices now

⏹️ ▶️ Marco and they’re more expensive, but they do, it appears to be pretty nice. I don’t know, it

⏹️ ▶️ Marco is kind of annoying to see like a generation upon generation change where you have less choice

⏹️ ▶️ Marco and it costs more, but that’s kind of Apple these days. We shouldn’t be that surprised.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey And by the way, so last year I ordered a Series 3 Apple Watch and

⏹️ ▶️ Casey it ran me about $430, give or take a little a little bit and

⏹️ ▶️ Casey it is a cellular one the 44 millimeter non-cellular

⏹️ ▶️ Casey is $430 with cellular it’s $530 which

⏹️ ▶️ Casey that’s a lot of money it is a lot a lot a lot of money

⏹️ ▶️ John they got rid of the one watch band that i liked i had to look up what the heck the classic leather whatever thing

⏹️ ▶️ John is but now scrolling to the thing it’s the one i liked yeah the leather Thanks a lot Apple. That was just the

⏹️ ▶️ John normal leather watch strap as far as any kind of watch person is concerned. Now they’re all weird.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Well now you can buy the Hermes leather one for like $350 and it comes in orange. No thanks. I’ll pass.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Or you can get one on Amazon for like 10 bucks.

Watch: Miscellany

⏹️ ▶️ John The ceramic back things though, like other than, you know, they learned how to work with ceramic

⏹️ ▶️ John by making these ceramic edition watches, so on and so forth, it serves a functional purpose which was pointed out in the

⏹️ ▶️ John event, that it’s a radio transparent, more, more radio transparent than having a metal back on the thing.

⏹️ ▶️ John So that supposedly helps with cellular reception. Of course, your big water blob wrist is right there below it, not

⏹️ ▶️ John really helping with radio signals but stuff gets in on the side as well. So I bet it’s good

⏹️ ▶️ John for scratch resistance, I suppose, although who gets scratches on the underside of their watch. But anyway,

⏹️ ▶️ John the radio things, uh, I was convinced that it is an improvement and I’m hoping that it will

⏹️ ▶️ John be connected to cellular more than the other one was. Although that, like you said on the previous show, may have a

⏹️ ▶️ John lot more to do with power saving than with radio transparency of materials.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah, it was really nice though. Like the, like, like Jeff Williams actually called, I even wrote it down. He actually said on stage,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco it’s even better for staying connected, which that sounds a lot like, yeah, you know what?

⏹️ ▶️ Marco The series three kind of sucked at this. we actually can stay connected because seriously you

⏹️ ▶️ John really can’t stay connected and speaking of staying connected and battery stuff they as expected

⏹️ ▶️ John said touted the battery life as being the same despite the fact that the volume the interior volume

⏹️ ▶️ John of these watches is are less than their predecessors they have the same battery life now presumably

⏹️ ▶️ John it’s because the system on the chip takes less power uh because they did they mention that these are seven

⏹️ ▶️ John nanometer i assume they are they bragged about it on the phone

⏹️ ▶️ Marco they didn’t know they didn’t mention it at all

⏹️ ▶️ John i don’t I don’t know. We’ll see what they are. If we have what they call it, s four or something. Oh, the other thing is a six 64 bit CPU

⏹️ ▶️ John in a watch, which is pretty amazing. But apparently, according to tweets that have been bouncing around just for the show, 64

⏹️ ▶️ John bit with 32 bit pointers, which is pretty weird. So strange stuff going on inside

⏹️ ▶️ John the watch there. Not that it really matters to most people, because for the most part,

⏹️ ▶️ John you know, I don’t know. Maybe maybe watch app developers. It may affect them. I’m sure there’ll be something about of WWDC about being careful

⏹️ ▶️ John when you port 64 bit to remember that it’s the pointers is still 32 bit, and there’s some weirdness associated with that.

⏹️ ▶️ John But anyway, much more powerful. I think they were showing the power of

⏹️ ▶️ John the probably the GPU. But anyway, showing it off with a lot of the effects that they have, like the particle effects on

⏹️ ▶️ John the heart during the heart thing. Not that that’s a complicated effect, but like they have the vapor thing

⏹️ ▶️ John and the flames. Those might just be movies. I can’t really tell if they’re procedural or a GPU generator just

⏹️ ▶️ John a bunch of movies but the particles definitely weren’t a movie being

⏹️ ▶️ John more willing to do GPU driven effects instead of just scrolling things

⏹️ ▶️ John around makes me think that this watch is actually significantly more powerful than its predecessors

⏹️ ▶️ John I just don’t know how that balances with the quote-unquote same battery life

⏹️ ▶️ John we’ll have to wait for ifixit to tear this thing apart to find out does it actually have a smaller battery than before and they can afford it

⏹️ ▶️ John because the the silicon is made in a smaller process. Or does it just plain have a bigger

⏹️ ▶️ John battery because all the other parts are smaller and because there’s more room inside there. So we need someone to crack one of these open

⏹️ ▶️ John maybe there you go. That’s something you can do for the show Casey, get a watch and break it open for us. Let us know what’s going

⏹️ ▶️ John on inside

⏹️ ▶️ Casey there. I’ll be I’ll be sure to do that. A couple other quick hits on the watch. It has atrial fibrillation

⏹️ ▶️ Casey detection or a fib detection. It also has fall detection, which I thought was very fascinating.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey So, uh, particularly if you have someone in your life, that’s a little bit on the older side. Um,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey and if the watch notices you’ve, you’ve done a movement that makes it think you’ve fallen,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey it will detect that. And if you don’t move for a minute following that fall,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey it will actually phone either 911 or your designated emergency contact. I wasn’t entirely clear

⏹️ ▶️ Casey on who the destination of the call is, but one way or another, um,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey I thought that was interesting also. Also it’s worth noting that the, was it the cellular

⏹️ ▶️ Casey or maybe it was all Apple Watches, got an additional hour of battery life on GPS,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey which was something that was interesting for me, although I never exercise more than about

⏹️ ▶️ Casey half an hour at a time. But the aforementioned Kyle Segre, who does like 94-hour marathon

⏹️ ▶️ Casey races, is very excited about that. And certainly anyone who does like a lot of cycling

⏹️ ▶️ Casey or running would presumably be happy about that. there’s more and better

⏹️ ▶️ Casey and more interesting complications. And we talked about how the bands are mostly compatible,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey but as a kind of summary, I’m going to quote, um, uh, Steve Sanofsky

⏹️ ▶️ Casey on Twitter, where he said the Apple watch has gone from what is this for,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey and there’s no killer use case to a fundamental improvement in human health

⏹️ ▶️ Casey and safety in daily life. Imagine that. And I just thought that was really well put. But you

⏹️ ▶️ Casey know, especially if you are someone who is susceptible to falling or perhaps to a heart problem,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey this could be a real life changer or even life saver. And that’s not hyperbole. Like

⏹️ ▶️ Casey it really could save your life. And that’s really super awesome. And certainly I think I’ve been

⏹️ ▶️ Casey more active on account of my Apple Watch than I was in any of the time

⏹️ ▶️ Casey before then, including when I was a little kid. So I am super amped to

⏹️ ▶️ Casey get one. I haven’t exactly explained this to Aaron yet, but we’ll figure it out.

⏹️ ▶️ John Well, you haven’t made any big purchases lately, so she’ll probably be fine

⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey with it. Yeah,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey yeah,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, John exactly. It

⏹️ ▶️ Casey should be no problem at all. But I am planning to have

⏹️ ▶️ Casey this in the house before the, I guess not before the next recording, but before

⏹️ ▶️ Casey the two weeks from now recording. It’d be that because I have walked into a store or because I have ordered

⏹️ ▶️ Casey it to be shipped to the home or ordered two of them to be shipped to the home, who knows. one way or another. I will

⏹️ ▶️ Casey hopefully have one sooner rather than later. Marco, are you planning to buy one? I

⏹️ ▶️ Marco honestly, I shouldn’t because I would probably wear it like three times.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco But on another level, I probably should because testing is pretty important. And I just did a major

⏹️ ▶️ Marco update to my watch app. So I don’t know, I probably I’m not going to buy one immediately, but I’ll probably end up

⏹️ ▶️ Marco with one at some point. Couple of the quick hits before it before we move on from this topic, I wanted to mention first of all,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco the the gold stainless steel finish. I was right, John.

⏹️ ▶️ John I told you I was thrown off by the airbrushing and the dream-like quality of all of

⏹️ ▶️ John Apple’s product photos. Everything is in a mist of

⏹️ ▶️ Marco beauty. Yeah, and then secondly, oh, and I would totally, if I wore the

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Apple Watch regularly, I would totally buy this because it looks like a really good update. So let’s put that out there right now. The only reason

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I’m not jumping on it right now is that I don’t wear my Apple Watch very much, but if I did, I would jump

⏹️ ▶️ Marco on this, no question. And also one thing that I’m interested about, they

⏹️ ▶️ Marco say they totally re-engineered the digital crown and now it has haptic feedback. Now it does appear

⏹️ ▶️ Marco that it still moves, because they didn’t say it haptics you when you click

⏹️ ▶️ Marco the button, like it’s not like a force crown, like a force touch, but it gives you haptic clicks when you

⏹️ ▶️ Marco scroll it. So that’s cool, I like that a lot. I am curious if

⏹️ ▶️ Marco in part of this re-engineering of it, they fixed the incredibly common issue of the crown

⏹️ ▶️ Marco getting sticky. This has happened to every Apple Watch I have owned. Yep, yep, yep. Where after

⏹️ ▶️ Marco not that much use, the crown just sticks and you’re supposed to like run it under water and that fixes it for

⏹️ ▶️ Marco a little while and then it starts sticking again like a few weeks later. I really, really hope they have

⏹️ ▶️ Marco done something that will somehow help that, make that happen less often or make it,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco you know, fix itself or something like just something to improve the stickiness of the crown

⏹️ ▶️ Marco being such a common problem. Because, you know, because they said, that you read us on the whole thing. So I really hope that that’s

⏹️ ▶️ Marco in there somewhere.

⏹️ ▶️ John What I assume the haptics work with is not that it feels like there’s

⏹️ ▶️ John little stops or like clicks or whatever. It’s just that it moves exactly like it always did except for now

⏹️ ▶️ John there’s a little thing that jolts the axle of the thing

⏹️ ▶️ John at intervals. So as soon as you rotate through a certain number of degrees, a little vibration thing goes tap.

⏹️ ▶️ John Like and it taps, it makes you feel that vibration through the crown, right? So it’s still actually

⏹️ ▶️ John a completely smooth thing, but through kind of like they do with the stuff when you scroll on phones and stuff

⏹️ ▶️ John like is actually completely moving smoothly, but putting the taps at little intervals makes it makes it kind of feel like there’s,

⏹️ ▶️ John you know, little intervals.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Real time follow up from Jason Snell, who is one of the few people who has actually handled one of these.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey The crown really does move and move and it is smooth. The haptics are a bonus and apparently

⏹️ ▶️ Casey are optional and controlled in software.

⏹️ ▶️ John Yeah, I was thinking maybe I wouldn’t want the haptics on like I’m kind of in the middle the road on a lot of the haptic stuff.

⏹️ ▶️ John It seems neat sometimes but other times like I know I’m moving the crown like I don’t know how to try

⏹️ ▶️ Marco it. Couldn’t they have added this to all the watches in software? Because they all have haptic

⏹️ ▶️ John engines.

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco Well that’s the thing

⏹️ ▶️ John I don’t think I don’t think it is it is actually I’m assuming it’s not using just like the same thing that

⏹️ ▶️ John that vibrates the whole watch. I’m assuming there’s some dedicated mechanism to just vibrate the crown when you’re

⏹️ ▶️ John moving it. It could be wrong again we have to wait for iFixit to tear it apart but that would be the thing to check like is it do

⏹️ ▶️ John you feel the shake in your wrist or do you only feel it in the finger that’s turning the crown um the other thing

⏹️ ▶️ John a question i had for jason to answer is our emissary in this event that he did answer

⏹️ ▶️ John was uh and maybe it’s on the apple’s website too but i asked it during the keynote um

⏹️ ▶️ John do they still have the difference in glass where the stainless ones have sapphire and the aluminum ones

⏹️ ▶️ John have the whatever ion x class stuff the answer is yes that difference still exists which is also kind of annoying

⏹️ ▶️ John because so many people buy the aluminum because because it’s cheaper, but maybe the trade-off that you

⏹️ ▶️ John wanna make is not the same the one that Apple makes. The trade-off is that Sapphire resists scratches more, but is more prone

⏹️ ▶️ John to shattering, and aluminum scratches more easily, but bends more, so it’s less prone to shattering.

⏹️ ▶️ John So it’s probably the right trade-off when it was called the Apple Watch Sport, but now it’s just the less expensive

⏹️ ▶️ John one that’s less shiny and the more expensive one that’s more shiny, and with that, you get this trade-off whether you want it or

⏹️ ▶️ John not. It’s still probably the right call if they have to have fixed screens, But

⏹️ ▶️ John it’d be nice to see them go to some sort of compromise like they do on the phones, where they have to come up with some kind of compromise

⏹️ ▶️ John between scratch resistance and shatter resistance. And with the watch, they have two

⏹️ ▶️ John poles. They’re not two extremes. I’m sure they’re not that different from each other, but they’re different enough that it doesn’t, you know, maybe

⏹️ ▶️ John there’s a happy medium there that will make everybody miserable, I suppose.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I mean, that still remains, I think, one of the best reasons to get the Steel, because sapphire is really nice. And, you know, to be

⏹️ ▶️ Marco fair, like there aren’t a lot of watches in the world give you a sapphire crystal for under $300. Like

⏹️ ▶️ Marco that’s, that’s pretty uncommon. They exist, I think, but there’s not a lot of them, you

⏹️ ▶️ Marco know, from a cost perspective, that’s totally reasonable, but also like, you know, they do need to still figure out some reason

⏹️ ▶️ Marco to charge almost twice as much for the steel. And so that’s, that’s a pretty easy differentiator

⏹️ ▶️ Marco for them. Um, and, and again, and honestly, like, again, if I was wearing my Apple watch regularly,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I would definitely get this. I would probably get the small one

⏹️ ▶️ Marco and I would definitely get steel because there are actually downsides

⏹️ ▶️ Marco to the steel because of the cost. It is heavier, you don’t feel the haptics

⏹️ ▶️ Marco as much, like the vibration is weaker in it, but it does just look so much nicer.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco If you’re fine with the way the aluminum one looks, fine, great, you can save a bunch of money. But if you’re

⏹️ ▶️ Marco a watch nerd and you want your watch to look good to you, a lot of times that requires

⏹️ ▶️ Marco it to be a little bit shinier than that. And the steel really does look nice. I really do think the steel Apple

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Watch is just a nice design, especially when paired with like a decent sport band or something, it looks really nice. So

⏹️ ▶️ Marco that’s what I would go for if I was getting one, is probably the small one, and almost certainly

⏹️ ▶️ Marco the steel.

⏹️ ▶️ John That’s why I bought the steel one for my first one, just because it looks good, that’s it. And the

⏹️ ▶️ John thing about the beauty mist they put on those things, it’s making me wonder about

⏹️ ▶️ John these watches, looking at their product shots of the steel, like the silver steel ones, they

⏹️ ▶️ John don’t look as shiny as they used to. It’s weird. I mean, I know they’re steel. It says

⏹️ ▶️ John it right there. It says it’s steel. Their product shots, it looks less shiny. The specular highlights

⏹️ ▶️ John are fuzzed out a little bit. So I want to see this in person to make sure it’s just because

⏹️ ▶️ John I have a Series Zero steel, and I assume stainless steel is stainless steel. Shiny is shiny. Is it actually less

⏹️ ▶️ John shiny or is it just their weird product shots?

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Well, I mean, it can be polished differently, but I think it’s very unlikely that it has been. I think it’s much more

⏹️ ▶️ Marco likely that it’s just their photography style and it actually is shiny.

⏹️ ▶️ John Yeah, I mean, the pictures of people who were there at the event, I think it actually is shiny, but

⏹️ ▶️ John it’s very strange. But for a million reasons, I need to see this in person. Not just Casey, I would encourage

⏹️ ▶️ John everybody, don’t buy it sight unseen. There’s a reason they have stores. I know it’s going to be crowded, but

⏹️ ▶️ John just wait. You don’t need to have this day one. Just go there when you have time, when

⏹️ ▶️ John you know when no one else is around and if you can find a time like that and try a bunch on see what sizes

⏹️ ▶️ John and colors and shapes and all the stuff like see see what appeals to you because there’s no other way to tell even having

⏹️ ▶️ John owned the watch that I own I there’s no way I would order one of these without trying it on first just

⏹️ ▶️ John too much has changed.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey So sitting here now nothing for you then until you at least try them on

⏹️ ▶️ Casey and then what What do you reckon you would get, you know, with what you know today?

⏹️ ▶️ John I would get, my current guess of what I would get is the stainless, the small size,

⏹️ ▶️ John and apparently I’ll be forced to take whatever the hell band it comes with.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I’m partial to the way the stainless looks on the white sport band, I think it’s a really

⏹️ ▶️ Marco good look. It’s also called the Stephen Hackett, but it’s a really, really good look.

⏹️ ▶️ John Yeah, I don’t know if I can pull off the white band, I always just think of Johnny Ive when I see that.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey I just don’t get what’s so great about the stainless. I’m not trying to say

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, John you’re wrong. It’s

⏹️ ▶️ John just that aesthetics. I just, it’s like shiny. I like it. I like it because it’s shiny. That’s it. It’s jewelry.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco It looks nice.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey I just, I don’t, I can’t envision the difference between the two. Again, I’m not trying to say you’re wrong. I’m not trying to say that

⏹️ ▶️ Casey I’m right. It’s just, I’ve seen, I presumably have seen stainless steel watches. I’ve

⏹️ ▶️ Casey seen Johns and I’ve never, to my recollection, I’ve never noticed that they look anything different.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey And I guess it’s, you know, another case of ignorance is list. And it’s probably for the best that I don’t know

⏹️ ▶️ Casey because I’ll save myself a pile of money. But I don’t know. I just I’ve never noticed the difference.

⏹️ ▶️ John And also the sapphire like I’m I’m not wearing it during sporting

⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey the only time

⏹️ ▶️ John I wear it is you know so I have the scratch resistance also appeals to me. So it’s a nice combination that it has the

⏹️ ▶️ John it has this glass that I want and it also has the appearance that I want. It just happens to be ridiculous expensive especially

⏹️ ▶️ John for someone who literally never wears a watch or literally means figuratively.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey All right. Anything else on the

⏹️ ▶️ Marco watch. Honestly I’ve I think the watch was the more exciting part of the event than what we’re gonna talk about next.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Oh, absolutely. I absolutely agree. I could not be more excited about this. I am

⏹️ ▶️ Casey really surprised, because I did not expect that there was gonna, I mean, I knew there was gonna be a new watch, but I

⏹️ ▶️ Casey didn’t expect it to be anything particularly monumental. And oh, man, was I wrong,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, John because

⏹️ ▶️ Casey this looks super

⏹️ ▶️ John awesome. Yeah, this is the watch’s non-S year, its first non-S year. All the other watch years have been S years, basically,

⏹️ ▶️ John where

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco they just take the same watch, and they

⏹️ ▶️ John mess with it, and change the internals, and change the station. And now this is the first all new watch.

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⏹️ ▶️ Casey There were also some other things announced. There were some iPhones, there’s a new one, and a new one in the

⏹️ ▶️ Casey middle of the other sizes, and that’s basically it. So anything else before I ask ATP? I kid, I kid.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I have some follow up on my Anker power brick situation. Oh goodness,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, Casey we will get to that. But

⏹️ ▶️ Casey all kidding aside, they announced three new phones. They have

⏹️ ▶️ Casey all of which, I’m trying not to be too negative, guys, but these names,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey these names are not working for me. I’m not digging it. And I guarantee I’m gonna say the letter

⏹️ ▶️ Casey X a thousand times for the next year. And I’ve been pretty good about calling it an iPhone 10,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey but having two letters next to each other as we discussed last episode, I’m done. I

⏹️ ▶️ Casey can’t handle it.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco these names are the giant red dot year of iPhone names.

⏹️ ▶️ John Yes, yes, they really are. The naming scheme is terrible. But at least there’s

⏹️ ▶️ John not two letters after them. Like what, like, like car model years, like 500 SEL

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco for the Mercedes like you can put two and

⏹️ ▶️ John three letters after you just you know, the iPhone 10 and then series of letters.

⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey Give him time. I don’t

⏹️ ▶️ Casey want to see iPhone 10 s max. Is it not? I mean, how ridiculous

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, Marco is that? I guess? Yeah, that

⏹️ ▶️ Marco is that is actually

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John pretty bad.

⏹️ ▶️ John The iPhone 10 s XL SEL four wheel drive all road and power

⏹️ ▶️ John with two Thunderbolt three

⏹️ ▶️ Casey ports. Right? I still think they’re

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, John terrible.

⏹️ ▶️ John Yeah, no, it’s a top is area had a good tweet about this. He was asking his wife who doesn’t follow

⏹️ ▶️ John tech stuff, and she showed her the website. The fundamental problem with his naming is not

⏹️ ▶️ John that they’re ugly or weird and we’re not used to them is that a regular person looking at these names has no idea which one is

⏹️ ▶️ John the good one. Honestly,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I’m not sure I know which one is the good one. We’ll get to that.

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco Yeah, but still,

⏹️ ▶️ John like, I mean, S is later in the alphabet than R.

⏹️ ▶️ John I mean, the numbers, presumably the bigger number is better, and the 10 is better than

⏹️ ▶️ John all the numbers because it’s a big Roman numeral and they’re just numbers and their numbers are all less

⏹️ ▶️ John than the amount 10. But S and R, like, you know,

⏹️ ▶️ John I mean, yeah, we will talk about the R, which I think is the star of the show

⏹️ ▶️ John and they rightly put it last in the lineup. But anyway, the XS,

⏹️ ▶️ John we should start with that. Yeah.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco So the XS is like the X, but a little bit better. All right, moving

⏹️ ▶️ Marco on. That’s about it. Oh, it now comes in gold. No, so like a summary

⏹️ ▶️ Marco of this thing, like, okay, there’s a new system on a chip, like there is every year. It’s still

⏹️ ▶️ Marco called the Bionic. Wasn’t last year’s called the Bionic also?

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, Casey That’s

⏹️ ▶️ Marco correct. Yep. They reused it. So it’s now 7 nanometer which is really impressive that’s really good so less

⏹️ ▶️ Marco power usage is what this means for you know similar things

⏹️ ▶️ John but oh and by the way I think the reason they reuse the name is because

⏹️ ▶️ John I mean maybe like when they said the name and it was a repeat it made me think maybe the

⏹️ ▶️ John people who design these chips have some influence on the naming because it shares the

⏹️ ▶️ John name because it is fundamentally very similar to the a11 from what we were told same

⏹️ ▶️ John number of of cores, same size cores. They swapped out the GPU for an Apple-designed GPU,

⏹️ ▶️ John but it’s not like where they would change the number or size of cores. That would get

⏹️ ▶️ John a new nickname. This is like the A11 Turbo with

⏹️ ▶️ John a new GPU and a better neural engine. So I’m wondering exactly how much different

⏹️ ▶️ John the actual CPU part of the A12 system on a chip is from the A11, other

⏹️ ▶️ John than being fabulous and it was seven nanometers or whatever. So, you know, we’ll have to wait for more people to crack

⏹️ ▶️ John these open and benchmark them and see what’s going on. But the most exciting things

⏹️ ▶️ John that are going on in the silicon seem not to be the CPU, but the GPU and the neural whatever thing.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah, and power usage. Yeah. So yeah, so I, if I can summarize what’s

⏹️ ▶️ Marco new about this, it seems from what we know so far, and again, we haven’t had a hands on time, nobody’s

⏹️ ▶️ Marco had a review, you know, a longterm review, none of us actually have these. So maybe we’ll find out more when they

⏹️ ▶️ Marco actually get in our hands. But so far, it seems like the major differences

⏹️ ▶️ Marco are better speakers to make wider stereo sound, whatever that

⏹️ ▶️ Marco actually means in practice. It can now record stereo

⏹️ ▶️ Marco audio in videos, which is something that I, until that moment, never even realized

⏹️ ▶️ Marco that the audio in iPhone videos was mono. I’m like, oh, wait a minute. Never

⏹️ ▶️ Marco thought about it for one second. So now it records stereo during video, which is

⏹️ ▶️ Marco nice, you know. The camera is slightly better?

⏹️ ▶️ Marco And it’s slightly more water resistant. And it comes in gold.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I honestly, I’m having a really hard time getting excited about any of

⏹️ ▶️ John that. Like… Well you skipped a couple of extra things. It comes in a bigger size. Which is nice. Well yeah, we’ll get to that. That

⏹️ ▶️ John to me is a separate thing. The FaceTime, Face ID is faster,

⏹️ ▶️ John I

⏹️ ▶️ Marco presume. They just said faster, like how much faster? I feel like if it was a lot faster, they

⏹️ ▶️ Marco would have given us a percentage or something. They didn’t though, they just said faster. And that could just be from the processor

⏹️ ▶️ Marco being up to 50% faster. That’s, it’s nice in the sense that if

⏹️ ▶️ Marco the 10 was still for sale, which it isn’t, which is interesting, but if the 10

⏹️ ▶️ Marco was still for sale for like 100 bucks less, and I was choosing between the two, I’d get

⏹️ ▶️ Marco the better one, like I’d get the 10S because it is better, but I think

⏹️ ▶️ Marco this is gonna be a real milestone for a lot of people like me who used

⏹️ ▶️ Marco to get every single phone every year. I honestly don’t think I need to get this phone.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco And granted, it is ridiculous to buy a new $1,000 phone or even more these days

⏹️ ▶️ Marco every year, but still a lot of people did it anyway. And honestly, this is not

⏹️ ▶️ Marco that compelling for one year upgrades. But again, that probably doesn’t matter

⏹️ ▶️ Marco in the grand scheme of things because most people don’t upgrade every year. So I kind of

⏹️ ▶️ Marco see like, I’m not saying Apple’s doomed or anything, but just me personally, as

⏹️ ▶️ Marco one of those jerks who buys a phone every year, I have a hard time getting excited about this one.

⏹️ ▶️ John I think the people who buy the phone every year will mostly keep buying the phone every year and everybody else will

⏹️ ▶️ John judge on whether it’s a good phone and it is a good phone, so I think they’ll end up buying it.

⏹️ ▶️ John I think everything will be fine, But like I said last show, they really kind of, you know,

⏹️ ▶️ John used up a lot of their technical innovations on a single phone with the X. And so there wasn’t

⏹️ ▶️ John a lot of stuff left over to differentiate the S, mostly because

⏹️ ▶️ John the X was so good and had so much new stuff in it. Like what is left? All they did is

⏹️ ▶️ John just improve everything about the previous one. And the improvements, you know, seem

⏹️ ▶️ John pretty good. Like in terms of S-Class improvements, the only one that I’m a little shaky on is the

⏹️ ▶️ John CPU in the system on a chip. They did brag they did give numbers like 10x performance increase

⏹️ ▶️ John on core ml or something in the neural engine doing trillions of operations and stuff like that. And that that could also

⏹️ ▶️ John be what’s driving face ID to be faster. But they didn’t do a lot of bragging about

⏹️ ▶️ John how much faster the GPU is and how much faster the CPU is the GPU, they did one of those suspicious GPU

⏹️ ▶️ John things where they called out a few things that a GPU can do and said they’re up to 50% faster, like

⏹️ ▶️ John up to 50% faster tessellation. Like most people don’t know what tessellation is. And

⏹️ ▶️ John it may be an operation this GPU does better. The key part was an Apple design GPU. This

⏹️ ▶️ John is Apple’s first completely Apple design GPU in a phone as far as I’m aware.

⏹️ ▶️ John Out of the gate, are they the world’s best GPU designer? Maybe not like I’m sure it’s better

⏹️ ▶️ John than the previous GPU. But it makes me think that perhaps there are areas where the previous GPU

⏹️ ▶️ John was faster than the Apple not tessellation obviously because they bragged about that one. But what about all the other things like there

⏹️ ▶️ John were no big benchmarks lines showing the CPU and GPU. So in that respect, this phone may be

⏹️ ▶️ John less of a worthy s than previous ones. But overall all that matters is is

⏹️ ▶️ John this a good phone? And the answer is yes, the 10 was a good phone and this is even better than the 10. And

⏹️ ▶️ John you know, there is if you are someone who buys every year but also need some

⏹️ ▶️ John compelling reason to buy every year, maybe this one is is gonna leave you a little bit cold, but for everybody else in the world,

⏹️ ▶️ John this is a great phone, and I think they’ll do just fine with it.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco And if you want to change screen size, then it’s more interesting, you know, because now you have the

⏹️ ▶️ Marco XS Max, which is a really bad name, but we’ll get used to it.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Could have been worse, could have had two Xs.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John Oh,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco man. XS Max. These names, I have to point this out, these names

⏹️ ▶️ Marco sound like Android phone names, don’t they? This sounds like the kind of names we would make

⏹️ ▶️ Marco fun of Android people for launching like three or four years ago.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Yep, I completely agree with you.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, Marco But anyway, I completely

⏹️ ▶️ Marco agree with you. If you want to change screen sizes though, this is interesting because they

⏹️ ▶️ Marco took the iPhone X, which is big, and made it bigger for $100 more, which is

⏹️ ▶️ Marco actually fairly reasonable. And so most people who are going to be single year

⏹️ ▶️ Marco upgraders on this, I think the way that can be justifiable is if you’re going to the big one. That

⏹️ ▶️ Marco would make more sense because it’s at least a lot more different than the iPhone 10 was. I don’t plan to do

⏹️ ▶️ Marco that personally. It looks really big. But if you like really big phones,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco it looks

⏹️ ▶️ John pretty cool. And interestingly, they did not do anything pointedly almost did not

⏹️ ▶️ John do anything to make the big one better than the less big one. So the 10

⏹️ ▶️ John s max does not have a better camera or better, you know,

⏹️ ▶️ John faster face time or a larger capacity memory option or even I think it doesn’t even have that much

⏹️ ▶️ John better battery capacity. Like it doesn’t have any particular thing

⏹️ ▶️ John to differentiate it. They are the 10S and the 10S Max, it’s like

⏹️ ▶️ John one has a bigger screen, which I think is smart because it was always kind of annoying

⏹️ ▶️ John it was like kind of an accident of technology or it was annoying that the big one had the better of something because

⏹️ ▶️ John it would make people like Marco and other people who like didn’t want a huge phone but kind of wanted

⏹️ ▶️ John the best camera to be faced with this dilemma. No more dilemma here. Like they both have the same camera. Like you just

⏹️ ▶️ John pick based on size, which is the way it should be, which I think is showing the technology maturing.

⏹️ ▶️ John But it’s also showing Apple’s restraint in like, how can we get people bought to buy the $1500 phone like

⏹️ ▶️ John or, you know, $1300 for the middle one almost, but $1500 for the big one. Let’s

⏹️ ▶️ John put something in the max differentiated. They resisted that. I think just I feel like

⏹️ ▶️ John they’re like the mere existence of a 10

⏹️ ▶️ John style large phone will be enough to drive people to the super expensive phone and should help their ASPs.

⏹️ ▶️ John So they didn’t feel the need to go the extra mile and say, and also let’s put something extra

⏹️ ▶️ John special fancy in the Max.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah, and I really respect that. Like that’s I totally expected like

⏹️ ▶️ Marco with the iPhone 10 I had what I haven’t had in years, which is I had the phone that was the size

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I wanted, but it was also the best phone. And I thought that was going to end today.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco And it didn’t. Like the iPhone X, if you want the XS, if you want that

⏹️ ▶️ Marco size phone, that is still the best. It’s just tied now instead of

⏹️ ▶️ Marco being the only best one. But that’s great. I’m very, very happy about that.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Yeah, I couldn’t agree more. I’ve never been a fan of the bigger phones.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey I don’t really think they’re for me, and as much as I love to poke fun at the Plus Club,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey like if it works for you, it works for you, it has never worked for me. And it’s always bummed me out, especially

⏹️ ▶️ Casey during the era of the human-sized phones having one lens and the giant-sized

⏹️ ▶️ Casey phones having two lenses, it really bummed me out that I couldn’t have the cool picture stuff.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Now everyone, well, everyone with a iPhone XS

⏹️ ▶️ Casey gets them. And you can get a fake picture, a fake bokeh

⏹️ ▶️ Casey on the, well, doubly fake bokeh, I guess I should say, on the XR, which we’ll talk about in a minute. But I

⏹️ ▶️ Casey am not sure what I’m going to do about the phone. I, over the last few years, I’ve been on the

⏹️ ▶️ Casey annual cycle because I’m obnoxious. And I am the world’s

⏹️ ▶️ Casey worst human when it comes to fear of missing out, which

⏹️ ▶️ Casey is why I will probably end up with a phone as well. But I have,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey even after the event, I don’t think I’ve ever been, not less enthusiastic, that’s

⏹️ ▶️ Casey overly negative, but more tepid, I guess, about getting a new phone.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey And we’ll see what happens. I, like I said, I mean, every year I always say, Oh, I’m not going to get it. And then I end up getting

⏹️ ▶️ Casey it. So I’m not going to try to do that again this year. But there’s nothing that I feel like I can hang my hat on

⏹️ ▶️ Casey yet. That makes me say, Holy hell, I must have this phone. Now, if we get, you know,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey demo units or something like that, well, not we, as in the three of us, but if, you know, if Jason gets a demo unit

⏹️ ▶️ Casey and he says, Holy smokes, the, the face ID is eight times faster and it’s

⏹️ ▶️ Casey so much better. And this camera is actually better than they say, you know, of course, then I would be way more excited and interested,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey but sitting here now, and I think marker you said it best, you know, they said it’s better

⏹️ ▶️ Casey and stuff because it’s newer and better, you know, like there

⏹️ ▶️ Casey was, there was little that, that I think we can hang our hat on, unless you want a half terabyte

⏹️ ▶️ Casey model or you want two Sims, which is not a very American thing, but I know, but I know is very big overseas.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Uh, when I was on stack trace and talk to a Gary May Rambo about this, he was saying that in Brazil, it’s very, very big.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey So there are definitely perks, but not necessarily

⏹️ ▶️ Casey for me or maybe even for most Americans. And the pricing is

⏹️ ▶️ Casey roughly the same, is that right? I didn’t look at iPhone X pricing. Well, actually, wait, I

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, Marco sorted it. So-

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah, yeah, the XS I think is the same as the X was, wasn’t it? And

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, Casey then

⏹️ ▶️ Marco the XS Max is $100 more. One thing I actually am excited about

⏹️ ▶️ Marco is the Smart HDR. I’m really curious to see how well that

⏹️ ▶️ Marco works. If that works well, that is a really big deal

⏹️ ▶️ Marco for me in my day-to-day life. Like I’m constantly having to do careful, manual

⏹️ ▶️ Marco adjustment of the exposure level of photos I’m taking where like there’s bright light in the background

⏹️ ▶️ Marco or something like that. That’s a very common thing for me. So if

⏹️ ▶️ Marco this really does improve it as much as the keynote made it seem, that could be a really big deal. Even

⏹️ ▶️ Marco that, I really want that, but even that, Like, I’m like, do I want that $1,000? Like,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco is that how much I want that? I don’t know. I really gotta, I gotta play with this to see if

⏹️ ▶️ Marco it’s any good, but it’s not, it’s a great phone

⏹️ ▶️ Marco if you are in the point of your upgrade cycle where you should get a new phone. But if you’re

⏹️ ▶️ Marco not, I don’t see how this is compelling

⏹️ ▶️ John enough. So does that dynamic HDR thing only on the XS, and if it is only on the XS

⏹️ ▶️ John series, is it because they just want it to be isolated because it requires some new hardware?

⏹️ ▶️ Marco It appears from the way they were describing it, it probably is not a camera

⏹️ ▶️ Marco hardware thing. It might be in the sense that like, you know, maybe they have to have the sensor, like dump

⏹️ ▶️ Marco a bunch of data off quickly, like capture a bunch of full frames quickly, but it’s probably not, it’s probably a processor thing.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco And it’s probably the kind of thing that they could offer on the older phones, but they aren’t

⏹️ ▶️ Marco for, you know, positioning and marketing reasons, or maybe it would just be a little bit slower and they don’t want to make it a little

⏹️ ▶️ Marco bit slower. whatever the case, it does seem like it is a software, primarily software implemented

⏹️ ▶️ Marco feature. And I think it’s also gonna be on the XR. Because

⏹️ ▶️ Marco the XR really does not have a lot of differences from the XS. So. I

⏹️ ▶️ John would assume

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco it is. The

⏹️ ▶️ John adjustable portrait mode thing.

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco It has that

⏹️ ▶️ John too. Right, but so do you think that will be on the X?

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I don’t think so. But you can already do it on the X with third party apps. You just can’t

⏹️ ▶️ Marco do it with the built in camera app as far as I know. That’s why

⏹️ ▶️ John I’m wondering if that feature is gonna be backported to the

⏹️ ▶️ Marco X. Honestly, I would doubt it. Just again, for market segmentation and stuff

⏹️ ▶️ Marco like that reasons. But the image data from your X can do this

⏹️ ▶️ Marco too. And there’s third party apps that do it all the time. So that’s not a huge deal. For me personally,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I never use portrait mode because it never looks right. Maybe

⏹️ ▶️ Marco this new fancy whatever is gonna be more accurate. The example pictures they gave

⏹️ ▶️ Marco did look good, but we’ve been burned on that before in the past. Like

⏹️ ▶️ Marco the example pictures always look good, and then you get the phone and you try to get a nice blurry picture of your

⏹️ ▶️ Marco kid or your dog and their ear falls off. We’ll see how that goes in practice.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Yeah, I couldn’t agree with you more. I would love to ditch my big camera, which isn’t even really

⏹️ ▶️ Casey that big. I have a Micro Four Thirds camera, and I love that camera. I love it, love it, love it, love it, love it. But

⏹️ ▶️ Casey I would love even more to be able to get reasonably similar photos

⏹️ ▶️ Casey out of the thing that is always on my person and portrait mode when it works

⏹️ ▶️ Casey well, does work to my eyes anyway, exceptionally, exceptionally well. The

⏹️ ▶️ Casey problem is I could not agree with you more Marco that the times that it works well are very few and

⏹️ ▶️ Casey far between and it falls down a lot and hopefully it’s going to get better over time.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey And being able to do the like, the the adjustment of the aperture after the fact

⏹️ ▶️ Casey is super cool. And yes, I know that there are some apps like focus that would do that already. But I don’t know, it just looks super

⏹️ ▶️ Casey cool to just be playing with an F stop. And maybe that’s how focus works. I haven’t used focus in a while. But to

⏹️ ▶️ Casey just adjust the f stop after the fact is so neat and so cool. And I’d love to see that ported

⏹️ ▶️ Casey to older phones. Although I agree with you, it probably won’t be.

⏹️ ▶️ John It’s like BMW’s fake engine noise, though.

⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey You’re not adjusting any f stop.

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco Yeah, that’s fair. You are

⏹️ ▶️ John adjusting a blur effect on a masked out region of a picture. It’s not quite the same thing. But I I think the

⏹️ ▶️ John HDR, if it works, is the most important feature of the camera. Because if you look at pictures

⏹️ ▶️ John people take with their phones, very often the biggest problem has to do with exposure because they took

⏹️ ▶️ John a picture that it just has too much dynamic range that the phone can’t handle. So the the the sky is white because it’s entirely blown

⏹️ ▶️ John out or the people in the in the foreground that you’re supposed to see their faces on there all entirely in shadow,

⏹️ ▶️ John like challenging lighting conditions. People just take the picture and they don’t care if

⏹️ ▶️ John this phone can auto magically say it looks to me like you’re taking a picture that has

⏹️ ▶️ John way more than average. You can handle they already have auto HDR on the phones now, but this seems like a step up from

⏹️ ▶️ John that of figuring out how to make those pictures read like it’s not going to take

⏹️ ▶️ John a good picture and make it an amazing picture. Maybe like they show in the keynote. Look at these amazing pictures by professional photographers,

⏹️ ▶️ John right? It’s going to take your garbage pictures and make them okay. And that’s that’s what

⏹️ ▶️ John this camera should. That’s what the camera should do because that’s most people are taking garbage pictures. Just like the hold my

⏹️ ▶️ John phone up, take a picture like you’re supposed to just not care on the phone, sorts it out. And those type of features, which are mostly software

⏹️ ▶️ John features, are where it really counts. Um, and that will probably have the biggest effect on people’s lives like

⏹️ ▶️ John that. You’ll people will take pictures with their camera and then someone next to them will take a picture with that some

⏹️ ▶️ John lesser camera there, an older iPhone or, you know, an older Android phone or whatever, and those other pictures will

⏹️ ▶️ John just not come out at all. And the iPhone 10 s will try mightily and get something reasonable

⏹️ ▶️ John out of it. And you can actually see people’s faces and it doesn’t look entirely gross. So thumbs

⏹️ ▶️ John up on on that. Although you mentioned the camera is only slightly improved. You remember I didn’t. There’s one of the few specs that I didn’t write

⏹️ ▶️ John down here. Did they change the the specifications for the camera in terms

⏹️ ▶️ John of the light gathering ability and all that. They said the sensor didn’t

⏹️ ▶️ John change size, but the pixels are bigger. They quantify that in any

⏹️ ▶️ Marco way? Yeah, it’s a new sensor. It’s not a bigger sensor or a higher resolution

⏹️ ▶️ Marco one, but it’s new and I think it’s only on the wide angle

⏹️ ▶️ Marco one. I think the Telephoto Slash 2X1, I think is the same sensor or at least

⏹️ ▶️ Marco minorly improved, but it’s still 12 megapixel. It’s still the same sensor

⏹️ ▶️ Marco size as far as we know, but each pixel is slightly larger. And some

⏹️ ▶️ Marco people assume that means the sensor is bigger. It doesn’t. Because there’s basically like there’s overhead. There’s

⏹️ ▶️ Marco like margins around pixels on sensors where you put other electronics or whatever. And so you

⏹️ ▶️ Marco can make those smaller. And occasionally those are made smaller. And it does mean that each

⏹️ ▶️ Marco pixel can gather more light, which gives you benefits of lower noise and everything else. So they

⏹️ ▶️ Marco said that these pixels are larger. And I think it was like 1.4 nanometers

⏹️ ▶️ Marco versus 1.2, something like that, it’s that kind of gain. So it’s a small gain, but

⏹️ ▶️ Marco welcome. And they also said the pixels are deeper. And I don’t know the details of

⏹️ ▶️ Marco what that means or how that works. I know like a couple years ago, Phil talked about how they had deep pixels now. And it’s

⏹️ ▶️ Marco something about how the sensor works. Again, I don’t know the details, but so the sensor seems to be

⏹️ ▶️ Marco similar, but a little bit better. So cool, that’s nice. It does only seem

⏹️ ▶️ Marco to apply to the wide sensor. It is nice that all three phones get that. That’s great.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I’m honestly, I’m a little disappointed. Now that I’ve had the 2X camera for the first time,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco so I never had the Plus phones that had it. Now that I had the 2X camera for the first time for the last year,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I really want more reach. We have a 28 millimeter lens and like a 45

⏹️ ▶️ Marco millimeter lens. In camera terms, that’s not very far. I would love like the equivalent of like an 85

⏹️ ▶️ Marco or something like that. something that is more than just the 2x. Give me a 4x

⏹️ ▶️ Marco or whatever, you know, something like that.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Why stop there? Why not add two more?

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Like, you know, I’m trying to, you know, I’m trying to like be reasonable with like what they actually might do.

⏹️ ▶️ John Except the camera bump is already big enough. So I’m getting many ideas.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco No, if anything, what they’ve shown is that it doesn’t matter how big the camera bump is. You can make it bigger and no one cares. So

⏹️ ▶️ Marco the thing I want when I’m using my phone as a camera, the thing I want most often

⏹️ ▶️ Marco is more zoom range to reach something or to reframe something in a different way. If they

⏹️ ▶️ Marco did that, just optically, things like portraits would also look better. You’d have a better perspective

⏹️ ▶️ Marco on things like that. And also, you’d be able to reach further away things than you could get with

⏹️ ▶️ Marco your current one. And an 85 millimeter or a 75 millimeter is not that zoomed in.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco It’s not like a super zoom or anything like that. But it would be a welcome change. And that is the one thing

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I really do want out of the camera that they haven’t given us yet. Besides

⏹️ ▶️ Marco things like, I would always love it to be lower noise, but that’s never gonna happen

⏹️ ▶️ Marco on a tiny little sensor like that. But among the things that are achievable, I would love

⏹️ ▶️ Marco to get more zoom range.

⏹️ ▶️ John Few other minor notes, the dual SIM with the eSIM, I was excited for the

⏹️ ▶️ John idea that there wouldn’t be a SIM tray but turns out there still is a SIM tray. So they have an eSIM and a regular SIM and apparently

⏹️ ▶️ John in the China model, they have two regular SIMs. As I mentioned before, the 512 gig

⏹️ ▶️ John size is new. There is no new USB-C charger,

⏹️ ▶️ John like as in the part that plugs into the little square that plugs into the wall.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah, that was sad. Apparently it’s still rumored for the iPad, but who knows?

⏹️ ▶️ John Yeah, which is disappointing because that little five watt charger, it is overmatched

⏹️ ▶️ John by the 10 and surely overmatched by the 10S Max,

⏹️ ▶️ John you know, so that’s a

⏹️ ▶️ Marco bummer. Like how long does it take to charge the 10S Max with the charger it comes with?

⏹️ ▶️ John Yeah, overnight. Like that’s probably their, you know, their measurement. Supposedly,

⏹️ ▶️ John I don’t know this for sure, but supposedly no more lightning to headphone adapter in the box.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco That’s fine. The time for that has passed. Now, if you don’t have one of those

⏹️ ▶️ Marco adapters and you wanna use wire headphones, I’m sure you can go buy one for $9 and fine. Yeah, I know.

⏹️ ▶️ John It’s just like, I feel like there shouldn’t be some counterbalance to that. It’s like no more lightning to headphone adapter,

⏹️ ▶️ John but every MacBook comes with the power cord thingy now.

⏹️ ▶️ John Yeah, and I think the gold, the gold actually, I usually don’t like gold phones. This is the first gold phone that I think

⏹️ ▶️ John actually looks good. Not that I would buy them because it’s still not to my taste, but I think it looks good. So they were right to highlight that in

⏹️ ▶️ John the thing and in the advertising. And as for purchasing, I couldn’t even

⏹️ ▶️ John order the phone because even though it seems like I know exactly what I want, I am conflicted

⏹️ ▶️ John about white versus black. I didn’t like the tens white, but I had heard that this

⏹️ ▶️ John white might be different than the 10s white. So now I got to go to the store and look at that. I got to go to the store and look at the 10s. Look at the white

⏹️ ▶️ John 10s and see, is it kind of that dishwater color that doesn’t

⏹️ ▶️ John appeal to me in real life? Because in product shots, it looks gleaming white and I would love it if it was gleaming white, but

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco in real

⏹️ ▶️ John life, it looks like it looks like dishwater. So the 10 definitely did not. The 10s,

⏹️ ▶️ John maybe they made it whiter. So I have to check it out. Um, this is all silly because it’s going to be inside a case, but still I

⏹️ ▶️ John care. Like I’ve had this jet black iPhone seven inside the case and it’s probably pristine under there. I hope

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco that I never see it. Spoiler. It’s not. I’m going to

⏹️ ▶️ John get I’m going to get probably 256 10 s in either black or silver

⏹️ ▶️ John depending on what the back looks like.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Also real time or not real time. Also real follow up. Last episode I quickly mentioned how

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I was planning on buying an extra orange case right before the event because I was afraid that they would discontinue

⏹️ ▶️ Marco them during the event and that I’m probably going to have a phone that fits it for the next year

⏹️ ▶️ Marco and I wanted another one. I did exactly that and they did discontinue it. So I stand

⏹️ ▶️ Marco by my awesome spare orange case strategy which I now have sitting on my desk and I’m

⏹️ ▶️ Marco pretty sure, I don’t know for sure yet, but I think the XS will fit it.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I don’t think they changed the dimension of the camera bump or anything.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Do we know, and I don’t think we do, if there’s that dichotomy between

⏹️ ▶️ Casey the AT&T and Verizon XSs? Because in years

⏹️ ▶️ Casey past, you kind of needed to specify up front if you’re going to land on AT&T or Verizon, and this

⏹️ ▶️ Casey is a very American-centric issue, and I’m sorry, because some of the bands were a little bit different.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey And I’m looking at buying a XS, like, you know, I’m walking through the process right now

⏹️ ▶️ Casey and it says, buy without a carrier, SIM free, activate with any carrier later. That implies

⏹️ ▶️ Casey to me that there’s one SKU for any carrier,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey whereas in the past there’s been a SKU for AT&T and a SKU for Verizon. And I’d be curious

⏹️ ▶️ Casey to hear if that’s still the case, if there’s different ones or not. The chat room is being a little ambiguous because I’m not sure which

⏹️ ▶️ Casey phrasing of the question they’re answering.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, Marco People are saying

⏹️ ▶️ Marco like, no. What does that mean?

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, Casey What does

⏹️ ▶️ Casey that mean? Sam the Geek says that is not the case. So I’m taking that to mean you can buy whichever darn one you

⏹️ ▶️ Casey want this year and it doesn’t really matter.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I’ve also heard that they all have Intel modems now, which

⏹️ ▶️ Marco sucks for Qualcomm, but also hopefully Intel has worked that. I think my 10

⏹️ ▶️ Marco has the Intel modem and it’s been fine. Like the first Intel modems that were in, I believe the 7,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco those were awful. I had tons of problems with those. But I think since the 10th generation,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I think they’ve been okay.

⏹️ ▶️ John And keep in mind, as we mentioned on past shows, the rumors, I think they’re still just rumors that

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco Apple

⏹️ ▶️ John is building a team to build its own radio chips. It

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco doesn’t have to rely on Intel for

⏹️ ▶️ John that anymore. So the giant F you to Qualcomm, not only are we not going to buy from you anymore, we’re just going to make them ourselves

⏹️ ▶️ John and Intel will be our rebound.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey All right. What else about these before the XR? So Marco, you’re saying

⏹️ ▶️ Casey sitting here today Anyway, definitely no, I almost said XS, definitely no

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, John XS. You

⏹️ ▶️ John said XR like five times

⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey anyway. I know, sorry.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey I’m trying,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, John I’m trying to be good at skin. And I’m calling

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco to watch the phone. We’re all over the place. Yeah.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I think Tiff’s getting the XS Max because she’s a plus user, so I think she’s going

⏹️ ▶️ Marco to get

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John the

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Max. Her ship has come in. Yeah, but I don’t

⏹️ ▶️ Marco know, ask me in a few days, I guess. Probably my next show I’ll be like, yeah, I got her, you know, by whatever show it is. He’s

⏹️ ▶️ Marco got three of them now. Yeah, it’s going to be like, yeah, I got it anyway.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Yeah, I feel like that’s gonna be me.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco But as I sit here right now, I’m really not excited to spend $1,100

⏹️ ▶️ Marco on this right now for what

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John it

⏹️ ▶️ John is. You can spend 500, because you get 500 if you turn in your 10. Oh, that’s interesting.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Well, but I usually keep my phones for testing and stuff, but maybe, honestly, I probably don’t need to do that anymore, or at least as

⏹️ ▶️ John much. Yeah, I don’t think you need to have a 10 and a 10S. Like, what are you testing there? Yeah, I guess that’s true.

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco That is an interesting

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, Casey proposition.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah, but even if I get a few hundred dollars for it on trade-in. Is it worth $700

⏹️ ▶️ Marco to get these upgrades? I don’t think so. I might do it anyway,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco but I can’t say it’s worth it.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey MCMASTER Yeah, I feel like you spoke for me in answering that question. Again,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey the typical KCMO is to say, now I’m not getting this, and then fast forward 12 seconds. Yep, I got it.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, John But

⏹️ ▶️ Casey I don’t know, man. Sitting here now, I’m not sure.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey I would generally, this is where I would say no, but I know myself now well enough to say I’m

⏹️ ▶️ Casey not sure, which means I’ll probably end up doing it, but I agree with you that it’s not really worth it, but I’m an

⏹️ ▶️ Casey idiot and I spend too

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, Marco much

⏹️ ▶️ Marco money. Maybe Tiff and I can be a one phone family.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John Let me help you

⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey out with this, Casey.

⏹️ ▶️ John They just announced phones and watches, but we all assume that there probably will

⏹️ ▶️ John be more products announced before the end of the year. of those products you may want to buy, for example,

⏹️ ▶️ John a new MacBook or a new laptop of some kind to replace your current 12-inch

⏹️ ▶️ John MacBook. Those are probably similar price to the phone you’re thinking of getting.

⏹️ ▶️ John So maybe wait until all the products have been announced and decide which do I want more, a new laptop,

⏹️ ▶️ John a new phone, a new watch? Because I feel like if you’re feeling if you don’t

⏹️ ▶️ John want to spend a lot of money buying all three of them before the end of the year after buying an expensive car, it’s maybe not the most responsible

⏹️ ▶️ John thing to do.

iPhone XR

⏹️ ▶️ Casey computers. But we should move on and talk about the XR,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey which I keep, or

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, John I actually meant to say it. I’m trying to say

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, Marco it the right

⏹️ ▶️ Casey way. God bless it. The XR, the tenor, that

⏹️ ▶️ Casey is continually being called the XR. It was the last real announcement of

⏹️ ▶️ Casey the keynote. And I think it was the most interesting phone

⏹️ ▶️ Casey they announced today. It is on the surface a

⏹️ ▶️ Casey iPhone 10S but with an LCD screen instead of OLED. What did they call

⏹️ ▶️ Casey it? A super liquid

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, John screen? It’s like a liquid retina. Liquid retina. That’s

⏹️ ▶️ John what it was. They were bragging about the fact that they could bring an LCD to the edge. Because part of the, remember them showing when the 10 came out how they

⏹️ ▶️ John folded the OLED under to get it close to the edge. And you know, it’s the thing that every manufacturer does, whatever. Like, it’s

⏹️ ▶️ John harder to do with an LCD. And so they were proud of themselves for this. And then they gave it a new name.

⏹️ ▶️ John But it’s just a very nice LCD. From the people who were there, it’s a very nice LCD screen. Like it is not

⏹️ ▶️ John as good as OLED with the deep blacks, but it’s really nice.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Yep. So it gets the really nice LCD screen. It does not have a

⏹️ ▶️ Casey two lens camera system, although it seems to be able to fake it pretty

⏹️ ▶️ Casey darn well. And we can talk about that a little more in a minute. It does not have 3D touch. Interestingly,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey it has haptic touch, which I guess is them trying to fake what 3D touch is without

⏹️ ▶️ Casey actually having 3D touch.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah, that I’m very curious about. Yeah, me too. Like I wanna know like, so is it just that you do long

⏹️ ▶️ Marco presses and then it vibrates back at

⏹️ ▶️ John you? Yeah, that’s what Jason said. It’s that you long press and then it vibrates.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Like that, honestly, that’s kind of interesting. That might be like, you know, we heard

⏹️ ▶️ Marco the supply chain rumors a few weeks back that the next iPhone wouldn’t have 3D Touch and that was probably

⏹️ ▶️ Marco rooted in this, you know, in

⏹️ ▶️ John retrospect. The game of telephone, like, well, the 10, to be clear, the 10S has plain old press really hard

⏹️ ▶️ John on your phone screen, 3D Touch, but the XR does not.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco But this might be, maybe future phones won’t have it. Because

⏹️ ▶️ Marco if you can get close enough with just long press sensing and then a vibrate motor, as opposed

⏹️ ▶️ Marco to having to measure the pressure on the whole screen, like first of all, I wanna know, do they bring this to the iPad

⏹️ ▶️ Marco maybe?

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Oh, that’s an interesting

⏹️ ▶️ Marco point. You know, because it’s a lot easier, what we always heard about the iPad, what we always heard about why it didn’t

⏹️ ▶️ Marco have forced touch is that it’s really hard to have the strain gauges or whatever it is that’s measuring

⏹️ ▶️ Marco the deformation of the screen to measure pressure on the screen. But you don’t have to measure pressure

⏹️ ▶️ Marco on the screen if you’re doing this, through this method. You can just do it in software with long presses.

⏹️ ▶️ John Yeah, but how does this differentiate between an actual long tap? That’s

⏹️ ▶️ Marco my question. Well, first of all, does it? And second of all, maybe it does it with

⏹️ ▶️ Marco judging the, basically the size of the blob your finger makes on the screen.

⏹️ ▶️ John Contact patch

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco change.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah, I guess it’s a better term than the blob. But yeah, because when you’re pushing hard, you’re gonna have

⏹️ ▶️ Marco a larger contact patch than when you’re not. And so maybe it does some kind of heuristic to figure that out in

⏹️ ▶️ Marco some way they finally figured out how to do reliably or something

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John like

⏹️ ▶️ John that. Use those neural whatevers in the thing,

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco machine learning to.

⏹️ ▶️ John There

⏹️ ▶️ Marco you go, yeah. Yeah, and use your neural whatevers on my blob to figure out what I mean. You know, 3D Touch also,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco it was never that successful. Like it’s not very widely used, at least intentionally.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco and it wouldn’t be surprising if they decided to cut that feature at some point.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco But if they can manage to get kinda close to what it offered without having

⏹️ ▶️ Marco the force sensitivity, that’s fine, that’s fine for most people.

⏹️ ▶️ John Yeah, 3D Touch was an important, I think an important innovation in phone interface

⏹️ ▶️ John because it gave you another vector, right? It gave you basically the equivalent of right-click.

⏹️ ▶️ John You’ve already got all these different things that you can do. you need some other channel and this was the channel.

⏹️ ▶️ John The channel was pressure sensitivity so that you could have a whole other class of interactions. The problem with it

⏹️ ▶️ John was that this channel required force which

⏹️ ▶️ John is difficult for some people to do but even people who have more than enough strength to do it it is often awkward. People use

⏹️ ▶️ John their phones like it is a touch interface. It is not a press interface, right? The whole point is that

⏹️ ▶️ John it’s capacitive and not pressure sensitive and I’ve found in my experience at least that doing

⏹️ ▶️ John 3D touch even when I want to do it, sometimes requires another

⏹️ ▶️ John adjustment of my hands to get enough pressure on it. And generally just

⏹️ ▶️ John seems awkward and not in keeping with the rest of the experience of like brushing your fingers across this magical

⏹️ ▶️ John screen, like the way people use their phones, just watch people out and you know, in public using their phones.

⏹️ ▶️ John It’s all about just flick brush slide, like very light touch stuff.

⏹️ ▶️ John At no point do these people are they prepared to bear down on their

⏹️ ▶️ John phones and 3D touch as this new channel for input requires

⏹️ ▶️ John them to do that. And so there’s the hidden nature of it, which is why no one knows that it even exists. But even if you know it exists,

⏹️ ▶️ John it’s often very awkward. So I’m not saying that they’re going to say 3D touch is a failed experiment and let’s forget

⏹️ ▶️ John it because I’m not sure how this is equivalent to it works. But I think there is

⏹️ ▶️ John a need for another vector for input in addition to just touch, touch and hold and all sorts of other stuff.

⏹️ ▶️ John But it may be that 3D Touch is not ideal. And then they can afford

⏹️ ▶️ John to both monetarily and sales numbers and functionally. They can afford to not have it

⏹️ ▶️ John because I bet so few people use it. This is one of the metrics they probably measure. So few people use 3D

⏹️ ▶️ John Touch that the lack of it on the XR, nobody will care about it. Almost nobody

⏹️ ▶️ Casey will care about it. Yep. Agreed. It also has more battery life than

⏹️ ▶️ Casey any of the phones, I believe. Is that right?

⏹️ ▶️ John Yes.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey It

⏹️ ▶️ John has the best battery life. to the point where we argue that the XR is the best iPhone. All right?

⏹️ ▶️ John It’s certainly an interesting dilemma because you haven’t gone through all the specs, but let’s just cut to the chase and say everything about

⏹️ ▶️ John it is the same except for the things we pointed out. There’s one camera, but the one camera it has is the same exact

⏹️ ▶️ John as that camera in the other phones. It is not a lesser camera. This just doesn’t have the 2X camera, right?

⏹️ ▶️ John It’s got True Tone. It’s got the 120 hertz sensor. LCD instead of OLED, we already covered

⏹️ ▶️ John that. Same exact processor. They didn’t mention anything about it. Presumably the same clock speed. presumably the same

⏹️ ▶️ John memory. It is the max,

⏹️ ▶️ John according to some tweets that have been flying around, it has the same number of points as the max.

⏹️ ▶️ John So the size is physically in between. But it’s got the same number of points

⏹️ ▶️ John as the max, according to some tweets I read, but it’s 2x instead of 3x.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco But still, but if it has the same, then that means you can fit more on screen if you’re okay with it being a little bit smaller.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco That’s actually really interesting.

⏹️ ▶️ John and it has the best battery life. Why? How could this one have the best battery life? It’s got the screen

⏹️ ▶️ John that takes more energy. It’s got LCD instead of OLED. And OLED, when the pixels aren’t on, they don’t take any power. How could it

⏹️ ▶️ John have? What magic technology has Apple discovered to make the XR have such great battery life?

⏹️ ▶️ John They made it thicker.

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco They made it thicker. It’s the thickest one out of the new

⏹️ ▶️ John phones. This phone has, there’s a size chart up of like, see what,

⏹️ ▶️ John you know, how the battery life compares. It has better battery life than the XS

⏹️ ▶️ John Max. It has, what is it, let’s see, 16 hours of video playback versus 15,

⏹️ ▶️ John 15 hours of internet use versus 13. Like it’s slightly better, but still, better than

⏹️ ▶️ John the giant phone and significantly better than the XS. So it’s not,

⏹️ ▶️ John you know, specs wise, it’s probably not the best phone, but I would have no problem recommending the XR

⏹️ ▶️ John to somebody who was looking at the XS but couldn’t decide because like you’ll get, bottom line, you’ll get better battery

⏹️ ▶️ John life. It’s a thicker phone, but you’ll get better

⏹️ ▶️ Marco battery life. Yeah, and it’s like, when you look at, like it costs like

⏹️ ▶️ Marco two thirds as much as a XS Max, you look at what you’re getting from

⏹️ ▶️ Marco this thing, it’s not bad. It’s not a bad product. It also comes in all the

⏹️ ▶️ Marco best colors. Yeah, it

⏹️ ▶️ John comes in all the colors. How many people even switch to the 2X camera? That’s another stat that Apple probably has, is they like, even though we have this

⏹️ ▶️ John double camera system and it’s great, the percentage of people that routinely switch routine the zoomed in the not zoomed in

⏹️ ▶️ John camera versus the ones that just pinch and pinch and digital zoom like as I see that people doing on their phones all the time as

⏹️ ▶️ John if they’re you know getting closer and really they’re just blowing the thing up and it’s kind of

⏹️ ▶️ Marco pointless well to be fair but it is smart about that it does use the 2x sensor once you get you know to that point yeah

⏹️ ▶️ John yeah I suppose but like this the 10r is a great phone it is yeah they’ve

⏹️ ▶️ John Apple has done the magic where they shoved all the prices up that it’s now basically the old price for the best phone

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco like

⏹️ ▶️ John you know so the prices just look good in comparison but we’re living in the now and the now is the XS

⏹️ ▶️ John series and the X before it are super expensive. This one is like a return to three years ago.

⏹️ ▶️ John These were the old prices of the best phone that you could get. And I really, I can’t get over the fact that it’s like,

⏹️ ▶️ John it’s a great size with supposedly the big resolution with better battery

⏹️ ▶️ John life and with the same internal, same system on the chip and the same single camera and it comes in colors.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah, it really, you know, we were trying to figure out like in a couple of predictions episodes

⏹️ ▶️ Marco a few weeks back, Like, what are they gonna do to make this phone worse so

⏹️ ▶️ Marco that anybody buys the XS, right? And they basically didn’t

⏹️ ▶️ Marco do anything to make this phone worse. Like, they-

⏹️ ▶️ John They did a lot of things to make it just as good and some things to make it better, like the

⏹️ ▶️ Marco colors. Yeah, like, I gotta say, it’s a very compelling option.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I mean, it isn’t out yet. It’s gonna be like a month late, but still. Like, a lot of people

⏹️ ▶️ Marco are gonna buy that phone. And I gotta give Apple, on one level, I gotta give them the credit

⏹️ ▶️ Marco of like, wow, it’s really nice that the phone that, as you said,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco we’re looking at this as the less expensive one. In reality, this is the price all iPhones

⏹️ ▶️ Marco used to be. But until last year, this was the expensive phone

⏹️ ▶️ Marco price point. But they’re making quite a big statement with that.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco To me, the big question is, when a buyer walks into the store and sees these

⏹️ ▶️ Marco three options, Who the hell’s gonna buy the XS? Like

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I honestly don’t, like the XS I think is gonna have a hard time. Like I guess it’s the small

⏹️ ▶️ Marco phone now.

⏹️ ▶️ John It’s thinner and it looks a little bit shinier and I think it will be clear in person in the

⏹️ ▶️ John store that it is the higher end phone. But as soon as people start asking questions, if you

⏹️ ▶️ John don’t already know which phone you want and you’re just in the Apple store and you’re like, well which one is better? And you start asking questions about it.

⏹️ ▶️ John So it’s got the same camera but only one, Same CPU, better battery

⏹️ ▶️ John life, more resolution, you know, it’s the in-between size. Like, I’m trying to figure

⏹️ ▶️ John out, like, will the 10, which one will sell more? Like, are they gonna sell more of

⏹️ ▶️ John the 10S line or the 10R line? I suppose they’ll still sell more of the 10S line just

⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey because most

⏹️ ▶️ John people want the best phone,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey right? I disagree. I think the 10R is gonna be the biggest seller. I really

⏹️ ▶️ Marco do. Yeah, I’m with you, Casey. Does Apple break

⏹️ ▶️ John that out

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John usually, though, for us? You

⏹️ ▶️ Marco could, sometimes analysts try to derive it with, like, you know, average selling price, and stuff like that. You can usually have

⏹️ ▶️ Marco some idea from that. But no, I’m with Casey. I think the XR is

⏹️ ▶️ Marco almost certain to be the biggest seller

⏹️ ▶️ John here. Right, but the problem for this year is that there has never been a large X style

⏹️ ▶️ John phone, and now there is, and that’s gonna soak up a lot of, you know, a lot

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco of the

⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey people who

⏹️ ▶️ John wanted a big phone and didn’t wanna buy the eight, like that market of things. So we’ll see, they’re not gonna break it out for us.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Well, that’s why I think like the XS Max has a market. Like that’s gonna be

⏹️ ▶️ Marco the cutting edge people, people who want the biggest phone they can get, and you know, day one, you know,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco upgraders and everything, they’re gonna mostly get, like I think the XS Max is gonna sell to a lot of them. The

⏹️ ▶️ Marco XR is gonna sell to pretty much everybody else. I don’t know, who buys the XS? It’s you and me,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John because I do.

⏹️ ▶️ John That’s

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco where I want to

⏹️ ▶️ Marco go. It’s you and me, but like, who else? Like, nobody.

⏹️ ▶️ John Yeah, I mean, another clever, you know, we’ve made, complained about the names before, but the clever

⏹️ ▶️ John thing is putting this in the X family and giving it a letter R that is not clearly worse

⏹️ ▶️ John than S. It’s just a different letter,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco right? It’s just one letter, it’s almost S. That’s why it’s so clever. It’s just one letter before S.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco It’s like, it’s almost the 10S, right? I think that’s really clever. Not for the

⏹️ ▶️ Marco sake of the 10S, because I think, again, it makes the 10S look like, why am I paying so much more for that?

⏹️ ▶️ Marco But for the 10R, it makes it look

⏹️ ▶️ John pretty good. And there’s gonna be probably more 10Rs in the store, because you’re gonna display them in a bunch

⏹️ ▶️ John of different colors,

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco where

⏹️ ▶️ John you’ve just got the three to display on the 10 S. Yeah, this is a super interesting

⏹️ ▶️ John model. And I really hope it does sell well because it will encourage Apple to make thicker phones

⏹️ ▶️ John that have better battery life, right? Like I can imagine a certain

⏹️ ▶️ John sort of counter movement after a few months these have been on sale

⏹️ ▶️ John of like people in the know saying that the 10 S is supposedly the best phone,

⏹️ ▶️ John but the 10 R has better battery life. So if you’re a savvy consumer, you’ll just get the 10 R. people are all buying the 10 are like

⏹️ ▶️ John we haven’t seen the battery case situation yet because last year there you know the battery case they

⏹️ ▶️ John haven’t offered a battery case for the plus size am I

⏹️ ▶️ Marco correct

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John and yeah that’s right they never

⏹️ ▶️ Marco have it’s I mean to be fair like it’s when as the phones are getting this big

⏹️ ▶️ Marco battery cases get increasingly unwieldy and people buy them anyway like you know people

⏹️ ▶️ Marco people do make them people do buy them and use them but like apple it’s get there get they get

⏹️ ▶️ Marco pretty big pretty crazy at these

⏹️ ▶️ John sizes. Yeah. So the question is, will there be a battery case from Apple for the 10 R

⏹️ ▶️ John because it’s the in between size? Because like the again, people being in the nose, like the 10 R is the one to get

⏹️ ▶️ John because it has better battery life. Like that’s a thing that can can start circulating uh, among

⏹️ ▶️ John people who have more than enough money and would normally buy the highest end phone but don’t want the big phone. Uh, the other

⏹️ ▶️ John wildcard for the 10 R is it may push people over the size limit because it is

⏹️ ▶️ John the in between size. end up with the XS just because I like me that I wish it was

⏹️ ▶️ John the size of the 7 and I’m certainly not going to go to

⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey a XR

⏹️ ▶️ John despite the better battery life you know if I needed it which I really don’t but you want to get the smallest

⏹️ ▶️ John good phone you can and the XR is still pretty big being in between the the S

⏹️ ▶️ John and the Max.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Yep same completely agree I think it’s a combination of size and idiots like Marco and me

⏹️ ▶️ Casey who just want the best of the best of the best sir with honors.

⏹️ ▶️ John Uh, and the sizes are 64, 1 28 and 2 56 instead of 64, 2 56, 5 12. Uh, so there is a differentiator

⏹️ ▶️ John there. You have to do something to get the, you know, the price down. Uh, but

⏹️ ▶️ John it’s, you know, I, I think the one 28 for $800 this,

⏹️ ▶️ John if this was the, if we erase the 10 from existence and they just introduced this after,

⏹️ ▶️ John uh, the seven, uh, I guess we’d all be disappointed because it wasn’t all that, but from a consumer perspective,

⏹️ ▶️ John you know, it’s a great phone. Like the other compromised people pointing out, like, if you know where to look,

⏹️ ▶️ John it is slightly less premium. Obviously in terms of build materials, in terms of how close the screen

⏹️ ▶️ John gets to the edge of the phone, it’s less close than it is on the 10, right? And you know, it’s,

⏹️ ▶️ John there’s no shiny gold model, like aluminum is not as fancy as stainless steel.

⏹️ ▶️ John It’s all there if you know where to look, but I think this is going to be a very popular phone with good reason. I

⏹️ ▶️ John think it’s really good.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco In many ways. It’s a lot like the aluminum versus steel watch. Like you pay a few hundred dollars

⏹️ ▶️ Marco more for the nice steel, you know, and it looks shinier and has a few, you know, a few

⏹️ ▶️ Marco little niceties, but for the most part, it’s not that different. Like this, I think it’s very similar

⏹️ ▶️ Marco here where like almost everyone is going to get the 10 R and is going to be very happy with it.

⏹️ ▶️ John And it does, it has wireless charging like in case people are wondering, like it’s all, it’s all the same features that you

⏹️ ▶️ John know and love from the X.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey It’s super compelling. And what was even more interesting to me was a friend of the show, Steve Troutman-Smith,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey tweeted earlier that iPhone XR is the one to watch. It’s a sizable upgrade on the iPhone

⏹️ ▶️ Casey X if you don’t mind losing OLED and 3X. It looks like it’s a plus layout

⏹️ ▶️ Casey model too, which is what we were discussing earlier. It’s a really interesting, really, really, really interesting

⏹️ ▶️ Casey phone. I think I’m on board with it, like not that it’s my

⏹️ ▶️ Casey call anyway, but I think it’s a good idea for Apple to do this. I think it moves kind of the whole stack

⏹️ ▶️ Casey forward, if you will. It makes everyone, it makes so many people get on the, you know,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey iPhone 10 train, but it’s a very odd choice. And I think they’re rolling the dice a little

⏹️ ▶️ Casey bit because it is so frigging good. And there’s so little to differentiate it from the

⏹️ ▶️ Casey XS. And I think your analogy, Marco, is really good, that it’s kind of like the stainless steel

⏹️ ▶️ Casey watch model. There’s not that much. I mean, I think it’s more obvious what the differences

⏹️ ▶️ Casey are, and I think you would absolutely agree with me there, But there’s

⏹️ ▶️ Casey not a lot that differentiates the two.

No more SE

⏹️ ▶️ Casey And they discontinued the 10 and the SE.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah, I’m kind of surprised they really haven’t shown any desire to replace the

⏹️ ▶️ Marco SE with

⏹️ ▶️ John anything. It’s just too small now in this age of monster phones.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Well, I don’t think they would replace the SE with another phone of the same size. As much as the people who use the

⏹️ ▶️ Marco SE want that, and I’ve heard from all of them on Twitter today when I said I wanted to

⏹️ ▶️ Marco drop software support for it, they are all still responding to me. But, you know,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco the reality is, I think that market is just too small. Like, I think not enough people

⏹️ ▶️ Marco want a phone of that size in this day and age anymore. But,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I don’t know, like, what have they replaced that with, exactly? Like, I mean,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco now, all of their current model phones are pretty damn big

⏹️ ▶️ Marco by comparison. And while that is what tends to sell,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco it does kind of leave a hole in the market. I mean, and granted, yeah, it was a decreasingly sized hole,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I guess, but it does leave people who wanted a smaller phone with

⏹️ ▶️ Marco pretty much nothing. Like, there are no Android phones of that size. They can’t jump to Android. Like, it’s just, there’s just nothing there.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco So it is worth, you know, pouring one out for the SE people, but I do think that,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco really, I mean, they’re kind of lucky it lasted this long, and, because even the SE was fairly unexpected.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Like, you know, it used to be just the 5S that you were stuck with, and so that was kind of fun, but I think

⏹️ ▶️ Marco that train has sailed.

⏹️ ▶️ John Yeah, that’s what trains do, they

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco sail.

⏹️ ▶️ John I think the small phone will be back though, because, I mean, just because of the timelines,

⏹️ ▶️ John it doesn’t work out, like so the SE is gone, right? But I think there will be, at some point in the future,

⏹️ ▶️ John a new phone from Apple that is smaller in size than the X, just because the SE sold so

⏹️ ▶️ John well, and Apple was actually public in saying, the SE is selling way better than we thought it would. that

⏹️ ▶️ John the problem is that happened too late for them to like, Oh, let’s scratch all our plans

⏹️ ▶️ John and rejigger all of our phones to come out with a small one. They don’t, they don’t have, they didn’t have a plan for it. They just thought the

⏹️ ▶️ John S. E. Is a thing we’ll do. Whatever will sell it, make some people happy, get rid of some old parts that we have because we can

⏹️ ▶️ John still make these things right. But it turned out to be a really big seller. I think it, you know, compared to what they expected,

⏹️ ▶️ John I think this has convinced apple that there continues to be a market for a phone that’s smaller than a 10 and

⏹️ ▶️ John I hope it’s in the pipeline now. It just, you know, it wasn’t in the cards for this year and probably not even

⏹️ ▶️ John for next year. But I look forward to a smaller, either a smaller 10

⏹️ ▶️ John or a phone that slots in below the 10. I would not hold my breath on that. I’m holding

⏹️ ▶️ John my breath. I think within five years, they will. Apple will sell a phone

⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey that is

⏹️ ▶️ Casey on an infinite timeline

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, John mark. I said five

⏹️ ▶️ John years and an infinite timeline for sure. But in the next five years, Apple will sell a small, a new phone that

⏹️ ▶️ John is smaller than the 10 with and height wise. I will take that bet. What do you want to bet? Five bucks?

⏹️ ▶️ John No, you do. We got to do the trading places bet a movie that you don’t know because you’re youngsters. Yep.

⏹️ ▶️ John Heard of it. One dollar. Okay. One dollar. I’ll take that bet. You

⏹️ ▶️ John got to put a calendar reminder in for five years from

⏹️ ▶️ Casey now. Some listener will hear this seven years from now. Say, Hey, did you ever Did

⏹️ ▶️ Casey you ever pay so-and-so that dollar?

No more AirPower?

⏹️ ▶️ Casey All right, a couple of other quick hits. AirPower, what’s going on there, man?

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Just

⏹️ ▶️ Marco gone. It’s just been totally scrubbed from existence. Gone down the memory hole. What do you

⏹️ ▶️ Marco mean, AirPower?

⏹️ ▶️ John They didn’t, because it’s still on the website. They just changed it from available in 2018 to currently

⏹️ ▶️ John unavailable. Which is true. It is currently unavailable.

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco It has never been available.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yes, that has always been true. And I suspect may always be true. Like,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco oh man, what a mess. So AirPower, yeah, announced a year ago for this year,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco for 2018, which itself was weird to announce it for the next entire year when there was

⏹️ ▶️ Marco no real pressure to announce something like that. Basically, it’s a fancy, chic charging mat, and granted,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco it is a very fancy, chic charging mat, but still a chic charging mat, and

⏹️ ▶️ Marco now it is missing, very conspicuously missing. When

⏹️ ▶️ Marco it was announced last year, they mentioned that they were gonna have this new AirPods case that could charge

⏹️ ▶️ Marco via the wireless charging on it. The speculation up until today was, well, it took

⏹️ ▶️ Marco them a while, they appeared to be having some problem with it, so they were gonna hold back the AirPod update that had the

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Always-On Hey Siri and the improved water resistance, I think. They were gonna hold that back, and

⏹️ ▶️ Marco then the AirPower Mat would launch at this fall event probably, and new

⏹️ ▶️ Marco AirPods would launch with it, and et cetera. And even the intro video, the Mission Impossible clicker video, does

⏹️ ▶️ Marco appear to suggest that that was intended and that just didn’t

⏹️ ▶️ Marco happen. And I’ve heard rumblings here and there, as we all have, I think that like air

⏹️ ▶️ Marco power is just, they were having a lot of trouble with it. Like they just can’t get it, they can’t

⏹️ ▶️ Marco finish it. They can’t get it right. There’s something wrong with whatever they’re doing. And we don’t really know what’s going on, but

⏹️ ▶️ Marco it really does raise two interesting questions of, one, why can’t they get a charging

⏹️ ▶️ Marco mat right you can buy more basic ones forever for like no money.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Granted, AirPower was trying to do a lot more, but still. And question number two,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco why the heck was this pre-announced a year ago? But it is really conspicuously

⏹️ ▶️ Marco absent now that not only did they not announce it today and not only is it still unavailable,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco but they removed almost all reference to it on the website.

⏹️ ▶️ John Yeah, the fact that it’s still there at all makes me think that maybe like the same reason they announced it as like,

⏹️ ▶️ John you know, is a thing that was planned and it wasn’t ready in time for the keynote. But there, but the problem is,

⏹️ ▶️ John I was like, but do you think you’ll have it ready by next year? It’s like, oh, by next year, sure, it’ll be ready by next year. You can announce it for next

⏹️ ▶️ John year. So it’s optimism. You know, we don’t know. We know it’s not available now. We know there are problems,

⏹️ ▶️ John but they told us it’d probably be ready by next year. And then it turned out to be more difficult and problematic.

⏹️ ▶️ John So oh, well, but like, yeah, just optimism. That’s why probably it’s still on the website, like because they haven’t they

⏹️ ▶️ John haven’t decided to publicly can it yet. They may still decide to publicly can it but obviously they haven’t reached whatever

⏹️ ▶️ John that whatever is going to convince them we’ll just forget it they haven’t got there yet as for the air pods

⏹️ ▶️ John I don’t actually think the air pod delay is connected to the mat just because there’s

⏹️ ▶️ John no reason to delay a thing that charges wirelessly unless it only works with

⏹️ ▶️ John air power I assume that the wireless air pod case thing will work with all the other third party chargers

⏹️ ▶️ John that people are charging their iPhone 10s on like you don’t need to wait for the mat for the the air pod. It would

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco be nice. Well,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I would not assume that it is a standard chi charging case.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, Casey I think it’s an air

⏹️ ▶️ Marco power because like like the Apple Watch Series three. Uh it’s funny people on Twitter pointed

⏹️ ▶️ Marco this out earlier. Uh when the Series three was announced, it’s spec page says

⏹️ ▶️ Marco it was compatible with air power. The Series three is still for sale. It no longer says that,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco but

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John anyway,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco but the Series three it is not chi compatible. It so air power was is basically

⏹️ ▶️ Marco starting as Qi and kind of extending it. And so it, you know, like the phone can do

⏹️ ▶️ Marco AirPower and Qi, but the Apple Watch Series 3, and I assume Series 4,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco were made just to do whatever the AirPower mat was gonna do for them. And I believe the AirPod

⏹️ ▶️ Marco case was probably the same way. And this probably isn’t a huge difference. Maybe it might just be like the size

⏹️ ▶️ Marco of the charging coil or something like that, like or some kind of, you know, lower power version of it. So I don’t know, who knows what it is,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco but I would not assume that whatever the new AirPod case is

⏹️ ▶️ Marco is compatible with standard Qi chargers.

⏹️ ▶️ John I would assume it is, simply because there’s third-party things that you can strap onto your AirPod case right

⏹️ ▶️ John now, where the coil fits within the, you know, it’s on the outside instead of the inside, but the coil

⏹️ ▶️ John fits perfectly fine in there, and it charges on any Qi charging mat. Like, it’s not, like,

⏹️ ▶️ John technologically, there’s no reason why it can’t work with Qi chargers, and because they’re all their phones do, I assume

⏹️ ▶️ John the AirPod case will too. They could still be delinquent just because it makes a nice pairing, but it just seems to me that,

⏹️ ▶️ John like, I don’t know. I mean, the video is very convincing because the video so clearly

⏹️ ▶️ John says, Hey Siri, without, you know, instead of double tapping. It’s not like without double tapping. It’s instead of double tapping, right?

⏹️ ▶️ John Because the double tap serves as the, Hey Siri. So, yeah. I mean, suppose

⏹️ ▶️ John that, well, I don’t know. It’s confusing.

⏹️ ▶️ John But I continue to hold out hope. I’m going to try to continue my streak

⏹️ ▶️ John of barely correctly predicting that Apple would not change the watch straps to say that

⏹️ ▶️ John Apple’s AirPod case will also be plain old G compatible.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco So you want to place another dollar bet on whether air power will ever come

⏹️ ▶️ John out? No, I get you’re gonna you’re

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco gonna you’re gonna bankrupt me. I’ll just

⏹️ ▶️ John that will just be like the watch straps where I’m not particularly certain about it, but 51% certain.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco So you still believe the AirPower will come out?

⏹️ ▶️ John No, I believe that the AirPod case will work with any Qi charger.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Do you believe AirPower will come out? Or do you think it’s

⏹️ ▶️ John totally done? At this point, I think it shouldn’t come out.

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco Because whatever problems they were

⏹️ ▶️ John having, maybe leave that as a third-party operator. Mostly because, here’s the thing,

⏹️ ▶️ John especially if the AirPods only work with that mat, that That mat is not the right

⏹️ ▶️ John product. Like it’s big. If you want to charge multiple products on a thing,

⏹️ ▶️ John sure that’s great. But what if you don’t want to charge multiple products? If the only place that you can inductively

⏹️ ▶️ John charge your AirPod thing is on a gigantic mat that also holds like a phone and a watch, but maybe

⏹️ ▶️ John you don’t have a watch or maybe you don’t have that kind of phone or whatever, it’s not a great product. I want Apple to make

⏹️ ▶️ John good quality accessories. I think Apple should make a normal sized regular Qi charging

⏹️ ▶️ John mat that’s of nice quality that your phone doesn’t shake off of right instead of us all going through the third party

⏹️ ▶️ John ones and trying to find the one that is the least bad that’s what Apple should make straightforward

⏹️ ▶️ John just make a plain old g charging thing no multi device do that do it well

⏹️ ▶️ John graduate to the big aircraft carrier you can put lots of stuff on but it seems

⏹️ ▶️ John like they can’t get the aircraft carrier to work from the pictures it looks like it’s gonna be slippery and your devices are gonna slide off of it it looks

⏹️ ▶️ John like just a weird white lozenge that is just too large to fit into the places in my

⏹️ ▶️ John life, at least where I would want an inductive charging mat. So I am not enthused about air power.

⏹️ ▶️ John And I think Apple should can that and make Wi Fi routers.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Casey, do you think air power will ever come out?

⏹️ ▶️ Casey I am not confident, but I think it will. And I am

⏹️ ▶️ Casey only ever so slightly leaning in that direction. I think it will.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey And I think it will by the middle of next year,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey based on zero facts and just guessing. But I am not at all confident about that.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I’m going to take the slightly less confident version of what you said. I don’t think it’s

⏹️ ▶️ Marco going to come out at all, but I’m not that confident in that. So if you’re

⏹️ ▶️ Marco like 55% confident that it’s going to come out, I’m like 45% confident it’s going to come out. I’m on the no

⏹️ ▶️ Marco side, but I’m not 100% sure of that. And

⏹️ ▶️ John who is dying for this to come out? Is there someone who has a hole in their life that they’ve been reserving for this giant mat

⏹️ ▶️ John to charge? Everyone who wants an inductive charger has already bought one, and it hasn’t been an Apple

⏹️ ▶️ John one, and they have a place in their life for it. Is someone saying, I’m annoyed by having these three inductive chargers and I

⏹️ ▶️ John can’t wait to replace them with one big mat? I suppose they’re out there, but it’s like by waiting this long

⏹️ ▶️ John like it’s just this this product is not that amazing even if it does come out

⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey it’s

⏹️ ▶️ John like and it’s finally out does you know do you know anyone who has one does anyone care as

⏹️ ▶️ John I’m not

⏹️ ▶️ Marco enthused you gonna be like $150 yeah it’s gonna be more expensive

⏹️ ▶️ Marco and it’s gonna you know only work with XYZ or whatever it’s like I I

⏹️ ▶️ Marco don’t know I don’t I think like you know Rene Ritchie will have one he’ll

⏹️ ▶️ Marco take pictures on Instagram and they look great and that’ll be the only one we ever see

⏹️ ▶️ John yeah one last thing on charging also not mentioned but

⏹️ ▶️ John supposedly from someone at the show the 10s and 10 are both charged faster inductively than the 10

⏹️ ▶️ John supposedly

⏹️ ▶️ Casey oh interesting

⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey I didn’t

⏹️ ▶️ John know that does it give a wattage I didn’t give a quantified thing this this was from

⏹️ ▶️ John who is it from I was a fingers from Gruber I think Gruber said this I trust that he knows we talked about no numbers on it

⏹️ ▶️ John but that’s something else consider. Oh and speaking of details like that a couple people in the chat room

⏹️ ▶️ John wanted us to know that the 10s also has better cell radios with the whatever the gigabit you know whatever

⏹️ ▶️ John everything they’re bragging about about the better cell bandwidth stuff that’s only on the 10s not on to 10R but

⏹️ ▶️ John again normal people won’t care because it’s fine.

HomePod, tvOS, macOS

⏹️ ▶️ Casey All right. Anything else from the keynote? I’m sure there’ll be more that we will talk about at some juncture.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey But anything else for

⏹️ ▶️ John now? From the whole keynote? Yeah, they just I just wanted to clarify with you two if you know,

⏹️ ▶️ John so they talked about HomePod and tvOS. But they didn’t say anything we didn’t already know, right? They were just saying and now these things are going to be real

⏹️ ▶️ John like on Monday or whatever the hell they’re gonna announce it. There was no new features

⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey announced,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey right? Not

⏹️ ▶️ Marco to my knowledge. Well, they were they were confirming rumors on the HomePod. They said multiple

⏹️ ▶️ Marco timer support, making and receiving phone calls like initiated by the HomePod. Searching for songs

⏹️ ▶️ Marco by lyrics, which I don’t think was rumored by anybody, but they mentioned that as well. Also,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco the whole like, you know, ping my iPhone or ping my Apple devices. That’s pretty cool. That’s

⏹️ ▶️ John useful. I tried to do that on my HomePod multiple times because I thought that

⏹️ ▶️ John they already had the

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco feature. Now they announced it. I’m like,

⏹️ ▶️ John finally, I can stop asking my HomePod to do something and it will actually do

⏹️ ▶️ Marco it. Yeah. Yeah. We’re going to be finding Tiff’s phone a lot with the HomePod. So that’s

⏹️ ▶️ Casey really nice. Why not just use your Apple Watch to

⏹️ ▶️ John do that? I hope it does multiple people because I rarely lose my phone in the house,

⏹️ ▶️ John but other people in this house lose their devices very often.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah, I think Tim is getting a HomePod then, if it’s only one person. But yeah, that to

⏹️ ▶️ Marco me, I’m actually more excited about the HomePod update, I think,

⏹️ ▶️ John than I am about the iPhone. What was the tvOS one? I forget about the tvOS update. I think

⏹️ ▶️ John that Dolby Atmos,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco that’s about it. And then Mojave is coming out. The Mac

⏹️ ▶️ Marco did get mentioned, which only messed up upgrades draft. It’s coming out,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I think, two weeks.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John Yeah, 24.

⏹️ ▶️ John Not delayed till October. I think people were pessimistic about Mojave based on the recent betas and

⏹️ ▶️ John like all the Mac stuff’s coming in October. Mojave, nope, they’re just they’re not waiting. Mojave is coming

⏹️ ▶️ John with or without Macs.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco There’s no relation between any recent version of Mac OS’s release date and whether

⏹️ ▶️ Marco it was ready or not. Like they’ve released it no matter what. Like they’ll release it in a horrible buggy

⏹️ ▶️ Marco state and they’ll just say, all right, well this is point, this is point oh it’s done. Good luck. You

⏹️ ▶️ Marco know, that doesn’t really mean anything. I, I’m a little curious like how that works out with any kind of Mac

⏹️ ▶️ Marco hardware releases. Um, if the OS launches in two weeks, chances

⏹️ ▶️ Marco are either they’re going to have a bunch of stuff in the OS that people like Yammer

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Rainbow can find that point to new hardware, which they probably won’t do, or

⏹️ ▶️ Marco the hardware is gonna be delayed until like a 0.1 update but that could push it well into October,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco maybe even November. So I don’t know, I’m not feeling good right now about

⏹️ ▶️ Marco our chances of getting meaningful Mac hardware updates anytime

⏹️ ▶️ John soon. I’m still optimistic. I think an October event where they ship in November is still in the cards

⏹️ ▶️ John for non-iOS things. I’m most disappointed actually overall in the Skeena is like that there were no iPads.

⏹️ ▶️ John I want I want there to be new iPads that match

⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey the

⏹️ ▶️ John notchy iPads or whatever

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco like

⏹️ ▶️ John yeah, I pass with face ID like I want those. I don’t know why they’re not here. Make them here now please.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah, that I that was also obviously a curious omission here, but I would guess like

⏹️ ▶️ Marco that’s a plausible fall event like later on to have some kind of October thing where it is iPads and Macs.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John Like

⏹️ ▶️ Marco that’s reasonable.

⏹️ ▶️ John We hope. Yeah, I’m optimistic for that. I’m looking forward to an October event. Like

⏹️ ▶️ John I was a little bit disappointed when I learned before the event that there were gonna be no iPads. I didn’t

⏹️ ▶️ John expect Macs. And now I’m looking forward, like for a brief moment for this event, I was like,

⏹️ ▶️ John maybe they’ll just announce everything, all those things that Marco listed, but that was just fantasizing. But yeah, October

⏹️ ▶️ John event I’m really looking forward to. I wanna see what they’re doing with the Mac I want my iPads.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Here’s hoping. All right, thanks to our sponsors this week, Betterment, Aftershocks, and

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Molecule, and we will talk to you next week.

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Post-show: Special

⏹️ ▶️ Marco In the show notes it says after show John’s special day.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I would like to hear

⏹️ ▶️ John about this I didn’t want to give it away by more precisely describing what I’m about to talk about

⏹️ ▶️ John because it would be easy to give away but now is the time that I need to Discuss

⏹️ ▶️ John this topic even though we’re not The the dates don’t line up exactly. Let me take you

⏹️ ▶️ John back picture it Sicily September 10 2008 a

⏹️ ▶️ John young boy with much more hair and fewer wrinkles decides to

⏹️ ▶️ John place an order for a Mac Pro. It’s Mac Pro, it comes with two 2.8 gigahertz

⏹️ ▶️ John quad core Intel Xeon processor. It’s been a decade?

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco Oh my

⏹️ ▶️ John God. Two gigabytes of RAM. Why wouldn’t you get a computer with two gigabytes RAM, which was even a little, this was back in the

⏹️ ▶️ John days when everyone would buy third party RAM. NVIDIA GeForce 8800, no Wi-Fi,

⏹️ ▶️ John two optical drives, because why wouldn’t you get two optical drives? That’s awesome.

⏹️ ▶️ John Total price, can you guess what the total price of this thing, I didn’t list all this, but let me see what else we have. A hard drive was 500 gigs, 7200 RPM.

⏹️ ▶️ John Extended keyboard, Apple Mighty Mouse, which was the current mouse at the time. What is the total

⏹️ ▶️ John price of this Mac Pro?

⏹️ ▶️ Marco All right, I’m gonna guess off the top of my head, roughly $3,200. Casey?

⏹️ ▶️ Casey I would say closer to four grand. Are we doing prices right rules?

⏹️ ▶️ John No. Then four grand. $2479. Oh, wow. Oh my

⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey God. That’s

⏹️ ▶️ John how cheap Pro Max used to be. This was a massive case that held four hard drives, had a replaceable GPU,

⏹️ ▶️ John had pretty good CPUs for the time, had a GeForce 8800 GT with 512 megs of

⏹️ ▶️ John VRAM. This was no slouch of a computer. Incredibly expandable. $2,400. And I also bought with it, this is

⏹️ ▶️ John where the pricing gets back to what you’re going to predict, the Apple Cinema Display 23 inch, which was

⏹️ ▶️ John guess?

⏹️ ▶️ Marco That was over a thousand, wasn’t it? I think it was like 600 or no, 800, I think.

⏹️ ▶️ John Eight

⏹️ ▶️ Marco hundred

⏹️ ▶️ John and nine dollars. Wow, I’m way off. I am way off.

⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey And here

⏹️ ▶️ John I am today, more than 10 years later, sitting in front of that self-same 23-inch

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco flat

⏹️ ▶️ John panel cinema display that I bought for $800. Looks as good as the day I got it. No dead pixels.

⏹️ ▶️ John Beautiful monitor and my computer continues to chug along there. It no longer has

⏹️ ▶️ John any of the original hard drives in it, although it has four hard drives in it. It has a couple of sticks of the

⏹️ ▶️ John original RAM. I think still it does not have the original GPU. It has had multiple GPUs

⏹️ ▶️ John in it. I just wanted to take this time because September 10 2008 was

⏹️ ▶️ John when it was ordered. So this is we just passed the 10 year anniversary. I don’t know when it arrived in my house. So I had to pick the order

⏹️ ▶️ John date. My computer is 10 years old. Apple, please make me another one.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco That is fantastic.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey That is a special day. I am very happy for you, John. Can we please retire that computer

⏹️ ▶️ Marco now? Well, no, they haven’t made a

⏹️ ▶️ John better one. The price is the really thing. I know it was 10 years ago, but $3,400 for a powerful, not

⏹️ ▶️ John bottom of the line Mac Pro with a nice monitor,

⏹️ ▶️ John those days are gone.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah. Still, that’s, man, those were such a deal. I remember when the Mac

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Pro first which came out like the first Intel Mac Pro, you could get one with only one processor

⏹️ ▶️ Marco if you wanted to really cut it down, and you could get it for as low as, I think like $1,600 was the cheapest configuration you could

⏹️ ▶️ Marco get. And yeah, like the reasonable mid-range ones like you

⏹️ ▶️ Marco have, they were really, you know, between 22 and $2,600 usually. And like I remember

⏹️ ▶️ Marco when it was a really big deal when they updated it, I think it was the 2010 model,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco where like, basically like with the Nehalem generation before that, and that was

⏹️ ▶️ Marco the 09 model, right? And then the 10, like, the CPU prices went way up from Intel,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco and Apple passed that along and added some of their own wonderful inflation as well. So,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco like, right after you bought yours is when the prices really went very high,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco and they continued to get even higher after that.

⏹️ ▶️ John Yeah, and needless to say, this is the Mac that I have owned and used the longest. Well, not owned, because I still

⏹️ ▶️ John own my

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco original Mac. But it’s the Mac I’ve

⏹️ ▶️ John used the longest. And this Mac,

⏹️ ▶️ John Marco points out that it marks probably the best price performance, this sort of range of best price performance that the Pro

⏹️ ▶️ John Macs ever had. But also, this was the peak of the dream. And the dream,

⏹️ ▶️ John my personal dream, the dream of many people was to buy an Apple Macintosh computer and be

⏹️ ▶️ John able to run their operating system and their software, have the computer be really nice, and

⏹️ ▶️ John Apple quality, look nice, be reliable, high quality, you know, just all the

⏹️ ▶️ John fancy Apple stuff and also be able to use that exact same computer to

⏹️ ▶️ John run Windows and or Linux, including the games that are on them and have it be

⏹️ ▶️ John a reasonable gaming PC. Believe it or not, in 2008, this was a reasonable, not the best

⏹️ ▶️ John gaming PC, not a super monster gaming PC, but you can buy one machine and they can do

⏹️ ▶️ John all of your computer stuff. If your computer stuff that you care about is a window, Linux and Mac,

⏹️ ▶️ John a single machine, officially supported by Apple with boot camp like this time may never come again

⏹️ ▶️ John where there’s no OS or architecture disparity. There’s no situation

⏹️ ▶️ John where Apple just literally does not make a machine that would be a passable like gaming PC because even you know the iMac

⏹️ ▶️ John pro is probably as close as you can come but still most people would say it’s not a passable gaming

⏹️ ▶️ John PC even booted into Windows. This was and it was expandable and flexible like it is

⏹️ ▶️ John a time that may never come again and it was a time that I had long for my entire life because like I always had to have Macs

⏹️ ▶️ John but you want to play PC games and you don’t want to if you don’t want to buy a second PC you get like you never there was never

⏹️ ▶️ John a way to square it and then they went to Intel and it was like the promise was there and then they made these the Mac Pro

⏹️ ▶️ John these giant tower machines with tons of cooling that obviously are super reliable because this thing is unkillable

⏹️ ▶️ John despite being hit by the vacuum cleaner many many times it’s sitting down there

⏹️ ▶️ John the quiet quiet as the day I got it just doing its job still running L cap, which is the

⏹️ ▶️ John latest OS that will officially run on the thing. I’m ready to retire. Don’t get me wrong, but I am extremely and

⏹️ ▶️ John my S.E. thirty is still my favorite Mac that I’ve ever had, but I’m extremely proud of this machine. It is one of the best

⏹️ ▶️ John Apple purchases I’ve ever made. And back on the previous show, when you asked about the bang for the buck, I would have said this, but I

⏹️ ▶️ John want to save it for the show. This is

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco actually the best I’ve

⏹️ ▶️ John ever got out of an Apple purchase. Amazing computer. Kudos to this

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Mac Pro. So I’m curious, like, you know, first of all, I want to know, like how how much

⏹️ ▶️ Marco you still use it, and then second of all, I’d love to hear you explain for us and the listeners,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco like, what is it like using a 10-year-old computer? Like, what can’t you do? What

⏹️ ▶️ Marco is totally fine? What’s it like?

⏹️ ▶️ John So, how often do I use it is, I use it pretty much whenever I wanna do computer stuff.

⏹️ ▶️ John Here’s the only thing that keeps me away from it. It’s not because it’s old and slow, and it’s not because the monitor

⏹️ ▶️ John is small. This is what it is, and this may be surprising, but maybe not if you know me.

⏹️ ▶️ John So I sleep the computer at night, right? I never turn this off. It is just, I check what my uptime is. The only

⏹️ ▶️ John time I reboot is like for OS updates, which no longer happen, right?

⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey Or

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco actually

⏹️ ▶️ John when I go on vacation, I shut it down. I actually unplug it from the wall in case there’s a lightning storm, right?

⏹️ ▶️ John But other than that, I just leave it on, but I leave it asleep. The reason I sit down at my wife’s computer,

⏹️ ▶️ John which is a 5K iMac, is not because it is a better, faster computer with a better screen. Part of it

⏹️ ▶️ John is because she has the photos library, so I have to sit there and do photos, but very often I’ll use her computer to just look something

⏹️ ▶️ John up on the web. Why will I do that? Two reasons. One, it’s closer to the door to the room that the computers are in,

⏹️ ▶️ John and two, the main reason is waking my computer

⏹️ ▶️ John feels like a more significant event than waking hers. Waking

⏹️ ▶️ John my computer. Is that because you weren’t sure if it’s gonna wake up? No, the fans spin up,

⏹️ ▶️ John you hear the click of like whatever is clicking in there. know, it’s the optical drive,

⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey the hard drive

⏹️ ▶️ John spin up because the spinning hard drive, like it is a thing and it takes a little bit for the computer

⏹️ ▶️ John to be ready to do what I want and I feel bad about doing it and it heats up the room because this thing is a friggin

⏹️ ▶️ John heat exchanger and you know it’s great in the winter, not so good in the summer. So I will very frequently

⏹️ ▶️ John use her computer because waking her computer up, which is also on all the time, does not make any noise,

⏹️ ▶️ John nothing spins, it is fairly instantly ready for me to do something even if I have to switch account because one of the kids accounts

⏹️ ▶️ John or something like that you know switch to my account or whatever it’s still faster and more pleasant and I honestly

⏹️ ▶️ John just I don’t want to wait for the time and I feel guilty and it feels kind of like Casey feels bad but like the auto

⏹️ ▶️ John stop start systems are constantly starting your car it doesn’t feel that good and so

⏹️ ▶️ John that’s part of this being a giant box with a bunch of fans as part of this being from the pre SSD

⏹️ ▶️ John era even though my main boot drive is an SSD. It has three spinning hard drives in there which do need to spin up.

⏹️ ▶️ John Um, so anyway, that’s, that’s why, that’s why I use it less than I would. But that said,

⏹️ ▶️ John I do all of my podcasting or some computer anytime I need to sit down to my computer to do something serious. I did a bunch of

⏹️ ▶️ John programming recently, uh, you know, work stuff. Unfortunately over the weekend, over the, uh, holiday weekend,

⏹️ ▶️ John I use my computer for all of that. It is my computer. It is my preferred computer and this is where I want to do my stuff

⏹️ ▶️ John and every, all my junk is there, so I do use it. What is it like using it? Surprisingly, I think about

⏹️ ▶️ John this sometimes, like this is a 10-year-old computer that’s slower than my wife’s phone. Probably slower than my phone.

⏹️ ▶️ John Like, it doesn’t feel slow. Obviously, a part of that is the SSD. Without the SSD, it

⏹️ ▶️ John would feel I wouldn’t be able to use it. Like, I would have to have gotten a new computer, because I can’t handle it, right? But with an SSD

⏹️ ▶️ John in here, it feels fine. Obviously, you can’t do any games on it anymore, like

⏹️ ▶️ John even though it has a newer GPU in it, Like modern games are not gonna cut it even

⏹️ ▶️ John at this low resolution, but browsing the web, using messages

⏹️ ▶️ John like text, like it feels fine, surprisingly fine. Maybe if I put High Sierra on it

⏹️ ▶️ John or something, or Sierra for that matter, maybe it would feel worse. It doesn’t feel fast, but it feels

⏹️ ▶️ John fine. The main things that make it feel slower are things like how long it takes to wake from sleep

⏹️ ▶️ John and hearing things spin up, and occasionally, this is an annoyance of a machine with four hard drives in

⏹️ ▶️ John it, which most Mac users no longer have to deal with. If you come to an open save dialog box and the spinning disks are spun down,

⏹️ ▶️ John sometimes it has to wait for them to spin up before it will, you know, like beach ball while they spin up or something, or lag

⏹️ ▶️ John while they spin up. And it’s like, I don’t wanna pick anything from those drives anyway, OS. I’m gonna pick it from the SSD that

⏹️ ▶️ John doesn’t need to be spun up. Don’t delay me, right? Those are the only times where it feels like there might

⏹️ ▶️ John be a little bit of lag. But honestly, it is amazingly okay

⏹️ ▶️ John because the things I do with it aren’t that demanding. Like I’m not doing anything, I’m not compiling

⏹️ ▶️ John software, I’m not doing audio editing, I’m not denoising audio files, I’m not compressing things

⏹️ ▶️ John in Handbrake, all those would be horrendous, right? But I don’t do any of those things on this computer, so it’s

⏹️ ▶️ John fine, surprisingly. So it’s like, why do you need a new computer? It’s like, well, you know, again,

⏹️ ▶️ John there are reasons I use my wife’s computer, and I would love to not look at the 23-inch screen

⏹️ ▶️ John anymore, I would love to have retina, like many reasons I want to move on, I want to buy a new computer,

⏹️ ▶️ John but this has held up amazingly well.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey I’m excited for you on your special day.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Me too, and I’m excited for your Mac Pro because it’s still alive and that’s shocking.

⏹️ ▶️ John Yeah, the best thing about it, I go in there occasionally because every once in a while it throws

⏹️ ▶️ John a dim, as in the old horse throwing a shoe. We’ve talked about this before, my analogy. Every

⏹️ ▶️ John once in a while the RAM does go bad. RAM, like, I feel so bad because I like, you know,

⏹️ ▶️ John it’s like other world computing RAM for the most part, third party ones, and I’ll call them and say, yeah,

⏹️ ▶️ John I feel like, yeah, it’s me again.

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco Yeah.

⏹️ ▶️ John Can you send me more free replacement RAM from my ancient computer? It’s like, you still have that? Like, they don’t say that,

⏹️ ▶️ John but I think I have replaced, like, I think I’ve gotten replacement RAM that’s gone bad, put it

⏹️ ▶️ John in, then that RAM has gone bad, then I’ve returned that and gotten new RAM, and then pretty soon that RAM’s gonna go bad.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco That’s amazing. Yeah, because most third-party RAM comes with lifetime warranties.

⏹️ ▶️ John Yeah, they’ll just replace it forever for free.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Because they just assume no one’s gonna use a computer for 10 years.

⏹️ ▶️ John Yeah, and it’s not that often. It’s like

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco once every three and a half years,

⏹️ ▶️ John right? You know, so it’s, yeah, it’s pretty amazing. But everything else

⏹️ ▶️ John in it, like it amazes me that the fans haven’t died. Like, because fans get noisy and weird and stuff,

⏹️ ▶️ John right? That the fans in it haven’t died. Like, it is, there’s so much dust. Like, the dust

⏹️ ▶️ John is part of the thing now. Like, you see dust on you, like let me wipe that dust off. And you wipe it and it doesn’t move. Like,

⏹️ ▶️ John the dust is welded to the inside of this thing. And it’s aging in amazing

⏹️ ▶️ John ways. like the capacitors haven’t died. It’s been in this terrible room here where the

⏹️ ▶️ John temperature, especially since we don’t have air conditioning, during the day, the temperature in this room is incredibly

⏹️ ▶️ John high and then it’s freezing in the winter because we don’t have the heat on high in this room. It has been in

⏹️ ▶️ John adverse conditions sitting under this desk for 10 years doing its job.

⏹️ ▶️ John Congratulations, John. Happy birthday,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Mac. Sent with balloons.

⏹️ ▶️ John Which they can’t

⏹️ ▶️ Casey display.

⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey Did you say that the watch can do that

⏹️ ▶️ John now? They showed it in the keynote. Someone got a message sent with lasers on their watch. My Mac just grumbled.