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256: A Heroic Threshold for Pain

An exploration of all seventeen of Casey’s diversion kryptonites.

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  1. Situation report
  2. Closing out Meltdown & Spectre
  3. Space gray peripherals on eBay
  4. Geniuses on battery replacement
  5. iPhone X screen burn-in
  6. Sponsor: Fracture (code ATP17)
  7. iMac Pro one-week review
  8. Sony A7R III review
  9. Sponsor: Linode (code ATP17)
  10. Neutral diversion
  11. Sponsor: Betterment
  12. #askatp: Delay Mac Pro for CPU?
  13. #askatp: Mac root account?
  14. #askatp: Sonos with Alexa?
  15. Ending theme
  16. Post-show diversion marathon

Situation report

⏹️ ▶️ Casey So we should start tonight with the sitrep situation report. It is Wednesday the

⏹️ ▶️ Casey 9th of January It is about 9 o’clock in the evening one true time zone and

⏹️ ▶️ Casey as of right now I’m still here But there is a 50-50 shot that I’m gonna have

⏹️ ▶️ Casey to run out of this episode in the middle of it so this is going to be an adventure for all three and kind of four

⏹️ ▶️ Casey and I guess you could almost even say five of us as I might need to leave Aaron might need

⏹️ ▶️ Casey to go to the hospital and Sprigg may be here I mean, it is actually, it is theoretically

⏹️ ▶️ Casey feasible, although I certainly don’t hope it’s the case, that by the time this show stops recording,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey I could have needed to leave, go to the hospital, and Aaron could hypothetically birth our second

⏹️ ▶️ Casey child before you two shut up.

⏹️ ▶️ John That could happen before you leave the house, let me tell you.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Let’s not even go there. Oh, God. Do you want

⏹️ ▶️ Marco to tell that story? Yeah, John, you have some experience with

⏹️ ▶️ John this. Yeah, I don’t think I’ve told that story at length on this podcast. I don’t need to do it today.

Closing out Meltdown & Spectre

⏹️ ▶️ Casey We should start with some follow-up though. Let’s talk about meltdown specter and all

⏹️ ▶️ Casey the things that are happening My timeline is a little fuzzy because I’ve been a bit preoccupied So we

⏹️ ▶️ Casey did have this link from Apple during the last recording

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, John right with their official. Oh, we did not Okay,

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco I’m sorry.

⏹️ ▶️ John They hadn’t posted it

⏹️ ▶️ Marco yet. You think you guys be talking about the webkit one?

⏹️ ▶️ Casey No, no No, this is the original official.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Okay, because the webkit one is also excellent. Yeah,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey I didn’t get a chance to read that I’ve been pretty occupied

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, John if you have that link put it in the notes

⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey I’ll take it up.

⏹️ ▶️ John I’ve already downloaded the update, but I didn’t want to read the note for it It’s nice that they released a Safari update for

⏹️ ▶️ John old OS I’m not staring at El Cap right here, and I got the Safari update which I

⏹️ ▶️ John mean That’s another complaint people have about the spectrum out that thing and how Apple is handling it. They’re like so

⏹️ ▶️ John Where is the kernel update for any version other than the very very latest version of Mac OS?

⏹️ ▶️ John That’s not really how Apple rolls, which is kind of disappointing You would hope that Apple would, there’s

⏹️ ▶️ John one aspect that Apple should adopt a little bit more of the enterprising mindset to say for super

⏹️ ▶️ John critical security things, maybe consider backporting some number of

⏹️ ▶️ John versions instead of just saying no, the only thing that exists is the very, very bleeding edge. But,

⏹️ ▶️ John you

⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey know, Apple’s going

⏹️ ▶️ John to Apple.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Apple is going to Apple. All right. So, can you walk me through the official Apple statement if you don’t mind, John?

⏹️ ▶️ John Oh, there’s nothing much there. much there it’s just another one of these you know fairly straightforward explanations just

⏹️ ▶️ John the last time that Apple didn’t even have one and it was just like they were just a little bit late in putting it out but it’s

⏹️ ▶️ John not a super great explanation lots of people have been sending links to explanations

⏹️ ▶️ John that help them understand what this is all about most of them I found

⏹️ ▶️ John to be not to my liking because like it’s a difference in audience

⏹️ ▶️ John it’s like if you if most of the words we said in the last show didn’t make any sense to you, you need

⏹️ ▶️ John a different kind of explanation. So those people who need that kind of explanation are the ones

⏹️ ▶️ John reading articles where they compare it to a waiter or to like

⏹️ ▶️ John music or a factory or all sorts of things that use analogies

⏹️ ▶️ John to real world things to try to explain to people, you know, how

⏹️ ▶️ John instruction pipelines work, what speculative execution is, what branch prediction is, stuff like that. And so

⏹️ ▶️ John it’s been interesting to see the different variety of analogies and metaphors that are used in those articles.

⏹️ ▶️ John But apparently a lot of them are really helping people understand this in a way that, for example,

⏹️ ▶️ John our previous show would not have and did not. So we apologize for that. But we’re glad there’s lots of good explainers

⏹️ ▶️ John out there for you. I think the Raspberry Pi folks had

⏹️ ▶️ John one of the more popular, let’s say, layperson’s

⏹️ ▶️ John explanation of it with a great capper at the end where they say, after many, many paragraphs

⏹️ ▶️ John of laborious explanation, Raspberry Pi doesn’t suffer this because we use CPUs that don’t have speculative execution.

⏹️ ▶️ John Which is not really something to brag about because that means they use cheap, very old, very weak CPUs

⏹️ ▶️ John because Raspberry Pi is a small, cheap, low-powered thing. But

⏹️ ▶️ John it’s nice for them. And let’s see, what else has come out

⏹️ ▶️ John about this in the meantime? The second link here in the same topic is, uh,

⏹️ ▶️ John this is the best web page I’ve found showing what the speed hit is on the Mac

⏹️ ▶️ John for the patches that work around this. And as always,

⏹️ ▶️ John it’s not, you know, there’s no clear cut answer. So as the summary of this, this

⏹️ ▶️ John article says, uh, the main question to be answered is if the performance impact exists.

⏹️ ▶️ John Yes, it is very clear. You can look at the graphs. There’s a performance impact. Is it relevant? It depends.

⏹️ ▶️ John And that’s the worst kind of answer. What do you mean? It depends. It really totally depends on exactly what you’re doing, exactly how many system

⏹️ ▶️ John calls you’re making. Another interesting thing to come out of this article is another measurement

⏹️ ▶️ John of the performance hit of APFS versus versus HFS plus, which like they weren’t intending to measure

⏹️ ▶️ John that, but they sort of accidentally did when they compared like Sierra to high Sierra without the patch to

⏹️ ▶️ John high Sierra with the patch. The performance impact of APFS, the negative performance

⏹️ ▶️ John impact of APFS encrypted APFS far outweighs the impact of this security

⏹️ ▶️ John patch. So I don’t know if we’ve talked about that before, but APFS in general

⏹️ ▶️ John is slower than HFS plus in most of the benchmarks, which I would think to be expected because

⏹️ ▶️ John HFS plus was a file system that was tuned to be acceptably fast on a computer

⏹️ ▶️ John in like, you know, 1989 or whatever. So it’s massively overmatched by the power

⏹️ ▶️ John we have now. And APFS has way more features and is a way more modern file system

⏹️ ▶️ John and so it’s not going to be as fast as something that used to run really well on a Mac SE. Hopefully

⏹️ ▶️ John APFS will get faster in the future, right, but you know it’s very new, but it also just plain does more it has

⏹️ ▶️ John more features than HFS plus and more safety

Space gray peripherals on eBay

⏹️ ▶️ Casey The Space Gray peripherals are selling for hilarious prices

⏹️ ▶️ Casey on eBay. The three of us were kind of giggling about the thought that, oh, since these are so rare, that

⏹️ ▶️ Casey they may command, I mean, probably will command some amount of premium over what a regular device would look

⏹️ ▶️ Casey like. So quick refresher, the iMac Pro, since it’s that sexy Space Gray, the peripherals

⏹️ ▶️ Casey also have to be sexy Space Gray. And by default, you can order the computer with

⏹️ ▶️ Casey a 10, what do you call it, full size. So not a 10 keyless, a full-size Bluetooth

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Apple keyboard, and either a Magic Mouse or Magic Trackpad, or you can optionally, for some

⏹️ ▶️ Casey amount of money, I don’t remember how much, you can get both the trackpad and the mouse. These are only available

⏹️ ▶️ Casey if you buy a iMac Pro, so naturally they’re very, very fancy and special.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Somebody has dug up some eBay listings that if you’re listening to this far in the future

⏹️ ▶️ Casey will probably not be available. But a triplet of Magic Keyboard, Trackpad, and

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Mouse, not going for, went, as of yesterday, for $1,080. So

⏹️ ▶️ Casey that’s $1,000 for a trackpad, a keyboard, and a mouse. Oh, and presumably a bespoke lightning cable, actually.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Oh, the black lightning cable! When you

⏹️ ▶️ John include that, of

⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey course it puts it over the top.

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco Of course. You’ve got a black lightning

⏹️ ▶️ John cable. I refuse to believe these are real people. These have to be speculators.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco But

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John there’s at least

⏹️ ▶️ Marco like if you if you search eBay sold items for like Space Grey Magic Trackpad you

⏹️ ▶️ Marco get all these listings and it’s there’s

⏹️ ▶️ John no no there are that’s that’s why I put this in there because we thought they wouldn’t sell for that much and they totally are selling for a lot of money. The question

⏹️ ▶️ John is who are they selling to and that’s the secondary things like so are real people actually

⏹️ ▶️ John putting this much stock in it or is it speculation where people believe that this will be

⏹️ ▶️ John a high ticket item for a long time. I continue to believe that Apple will eventually

⏹️ ▶️ John that Apple will eventually allow you to buy peripherals that are this color separately, which will,

⏹️ ▶️ John of course, destroy the market for these things. So I hope the people who bought them are able to resell them at a profit before

⏹️ ▶️ John that happens, but I don’t know when that will happen. Presumably,

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco I mean, this

⏹️ ▶️ Marco is kind of like trying to be like an iPhone speculator, like on like

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John the

⏹️ ▶️ Marco biggest market for these things is behind us and it’s going down every day, not up. So like

⏹️ ▶️ Marco anybody buying these for this price, They’re the worst speculators in the world.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco These are only going to get more common and more available over time. And they’re really cool

⏹️ ▶️ Marco right now, or really two weeks ago, because they’re brand new and no one’s seen them before in these

⏹️ ▶️ Marco colors. But that is a very temporary thing. The window of time to make a profit there

⏹️ ▶️ Marco is very short.

⏹️ ▶️ John The only way it would work is if Apple never makes another space gray computer with space gray peripherals.

⏹️ ▶️ John Like if the iMac Pro, like they continue to make the iMac Pro but it changes color. this was like the only generation

⏹️ ▶️ John of these things, then you could have some value. But just ask somebody, Stephen Hackett with an Apple

⏹️ ▶️ John TV. Uh, not that one.

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco No, no, not that one. No, the other

⏹️ ▶️ John one. No, not that one. The black. No, not this black one. Other. Other. I don’t know how to

⏹️ ▶️ John refer to the Apple TV. It was a giant Macintosh computer that could also be a television. It was also hideously ugly. It was also

⏹️ ▶️ John black. Uh, and it was from, and that was it. There wasn’t like a, a

⏹️ ▶️ John huge collection of black desktop Macintosh computers surrounding that. Even that doesn’t retain its value that well.

⏹️ ▶️ John So I mean, now, now you’ve got me convinced. Now I’m starting to hope that these are

⏹️ ▶️ John really are individual people because like if they’re speculators, they’re probably going to

⏹️ ▶️ John be disappointed. But if they’re individuals, maybe they’re happy with their

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco thousand dollar purchase

⏹️ ▶️ John of a keyboard and mouse and yeah, black lightning and black apple stickers. We forgot about that. You can get those

⏹️ ▶️ John with the Mac pro though. Those are dime a dozen. Just go buy a trash can. You know, they’ll throw in and buy some black stickers.

⏹️ ▶️ John I’ll throw in a trash can for free.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Wow. So, regardless, as of the time of this recording, that full set went for $1,000. A track pad is

⏹️ ▶️ Casey for sale for $310 or more, and a magic mouse is for sale for $295 or

⏹️ ▶️ Casey more. And really, while you guys were talking,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey it occurred to me that if Erin really and truly loved me, she would go ahead and have this baby immediately

⏹️ ▶️ Casey because I’m going to be purchasing my full set from Underscore, and he has told me that he

⏹️ ▶️ Casey will bring them down when he comes to visit to meet Sprague. So the quicker that she can pop this baby out, the

⏹️ ▶️ Casey quicker I can get my fancy black peripherals. So really, this is all about me and that’s what she

⏹️ ▶️ Casey really needs to be considerate of. Steven

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Penner I mean, there is a faster way to get them. Jay

⏹️ ▶️ John Haynes On eBay, you mean? You got to wait for the auctions to

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco end. Steven

⏹️ ▶️ John Penner

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I believe it’s slash iMac dash pro dash buy or something

⏹️ ▶️ John like that. Jay Haynes Yeah, yeah, yeah. You got to buy an old computer. Although it’s only five times expensive as the peripherals

⏹️ ▶️ John by themselves. Steven Penner That isn’t that unreasonable. I already bought mine from Jason by the way. I mean

⏹️ ▶️ John I I use the the Apple messages Payment that I was is that the first

⏹️ ▶️ John time I use it. Maybe I sent Casey some money It is

⏹️ ▶️ Marco called Apple pay cash and I have now sold two computers with it

⏹️ ▶️ John Anyway, a mine is on my way to me my keyboard just the keyboard itself. I did not pay $1,000

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Jason

⏹️ ▶️ John took pity on you had answered. No, I’m not going to sell the keyboard. It’s not for sale

⏹️ ▶️ Casey I just noticed today I had a friend of mine had purchased for me a

⏹️ ▶️ Casey couple of pieces of clothing from the Apple Park Visitor Center and I paid him with

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Apple Pay Cash. Apparently disclosed at some point that I’d forgotten or just not well disclosed

⏹️ ▶️ Casey that if you use a credit card for Apple Pay Cash, there’s a 3% service charge, which I was not aware

⏹️ ▶️ Casey of. So this $50 transaction was like a $52 transaction. Not a big deal,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey but it was very surprising when I’m looking at my iMessage history and seeing it was $50.20 or whatever the hell it was. And

⏹️ ▶️ Casey then I’m looking at my bank statement and it’s saying it was $52 or again, whatever the numbers were.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey And I did not expect that. So pro tip, if you’re going to be using Apple Pay Cash, use a debit card.

⏹️ ▶️ John But did you get frequent flyer miles or Amazon Prime Points or cash back to offset that 3%?

⏹️ ▶️ John I

⏹️ ▶️ Casey will eventually get a smattering of cash back, probably less

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, Casey than 3%.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah, but you’re not going to get 3%. This is the entire rack of the credit card business

⏹️ ▶️ Marco is like you know they have these I forget what they call interchange fees something like that, which is part of that

⏹️ ▶️ Marco three percent and it’s like but usually the vendor pays it not you yeah like there’s no way to

⏹️ ▶️ Marco charge to charge money to a credit card without somebody paying a fee of at least around two

⏹️ ▶️ Marco and a half percent depending on you know their their merchant deal and everything it’s like someone’s paying that somewhere

⏹️ ▶️ Marco if using a credit card debit cards are all different and don’t work that way. Bank transfers are different don’t work that way, but credit cards

⏹️ ▶️ Marco all work that that way. Someone is paying that fee. John is right. Usually it’s the vendor. In this case,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco it’s like if you want the person to receive this money, then you have to pay the fee. If you want them to

⏹️ ▶️ Marco receive 50 bucks and not 47 or whatever, you’re paying 52 to give them 50.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco But that’s just the nature of credit cards and sending money online.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Yeah, I’m not disappointed by this, or if I am, I’m disappointed in myself for not having remembered,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey but it was something that I did not expect. So this is your PSA, ladies and gentlemen,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey use a debit card if you can.

Geniuses on battery replacement

⏹️ ▶️ Casey We had a couple of people write in that are either ex-Apple geniuses or

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Apple geniuses, and they made the same point, which was part of the reason that

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Apple geniuses tend to be reluctant to do a battery replacement

⏹️ ▶️ Casey is that oftentimes that isn’t really the problem. Sometimes

⏹️ ▶️ Casey a slowdown or perhaps a really tough battery situation is

⏹️ ▶️ Casey because you’ve been playing a shed load of Pokemon Go and you didn’t disclose that when you were talking to the genius.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey And the easier answer, rather than either charging Apple money or charging the customer money even more importantly,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey is to just say, hey, maybe cool it on the Catch and the Pokey Manz. Maybe that’ll do a little better for

⏹️ ▶️ Casey you. So that was an interesting point I hadn’t considered.

⏹️ ▶️ John Yeah. Like you said, we got this feedback a lot. And it’s not like they’re

⏹️ ▶️ John refusing to do it for your own good. It’s the what they’re trying to avoid is a situation where a customer

⏹️ ▶️ John comes in and says, I have a problem. And then the customer, and this must happen all the time, the customer decides

⏹️ ▶️ John they know what the solution to the problem is. This isn’t exclusive to battery, it’s just whatever, anything, it could be your car

⏹️ ▶️ John or a vacuum cleaner, whatever, you know, customer has a problem and customer says, and by the way,

⏹️ ▶️ John I’m also sure I know how to fix this problem. I want you to replace the belt on my whatever I want

⏹️ ▶️ John you to, you know, give me a new whatever like they, they have diagnosed the problem. They know exactly

⏹️ ▶️ John what’s wrong. And they just say, look, just don’t give me a run around. Just

⏹️ ▶️ John put a new battery in my car. I mean, deal. That’s the marketing of these stupid electric cars. You know what I mean, the 12 volt

⏹️ ▶️ John thing, lead acid.

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco I

⏹️ ▶️ John have one of those too. Maybe the problem is an engine control unit, or maybe

⏹️ ▶️ John it’s a gasket that’s blown or whatever. So the person who wants to look at your car says, let us, the

⏹️ ▶️ John car fixing experts, look at your car and run all our little diagnostics and we’ll tell you what’s wrong with it. But it’s like, no, no, no. The customer

⏹️ ▶️ John says, I don’t care what you find. I know that this is exactly what I need. And

⏹️ ▶️ John service centers or Apple or whatever are reluctant to do that because if they say, okay, we’ll do it and they

⏹️ ▶️ John do it, even if they do it for free, but especially if they charge you to do it, right?

⏹️ ▶️ John And then they give the thing back to you and say, okay, we did what you asked, we replaced your whatever, here you go.

⏹️ ▶️ John Then they come back the next day and said the problem’s still there. And now you have this argument, it’s like, well,

⏹️ ▶️ John you know, we didn’t say this would fix your problem, but you insisted we do this because you thought it would fix your problem, but it turns out it didn’t And that’s a conversation

⏹️ ▶️ John you never want to have with a customer because they’re going to be like, I don’t care, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. So what Apple wants to

⏹️ ▶️ John do is you customer just describe your problem and then we’ll figure out what it takes to fix it, whether that’s

⏹️ ▶️ John give you a completely new device or replace a bunch of parts or whatever it’s going to be. But if you come to us and demand, we do a

⏹️ ▶️ John specific thing, especially if you demand we do it for free under warranty. It could just be a waste of both of our times.

⏹️ ▶️ John So that’s all well and good. And we’ve heard that from a lot of people and I know I know where they’re coming from. And sometimes I know where customers are coming

⏹️ ▶️ John from, but sometimes I’m that customer who who says, look, I just do this. Just replace

⏹️ ▶️ John this thing. I won’t yell at you if it doesn’t work, but I’m pretty sure this is it. But my question to a

⏹️ ▶️ John couple of these Apple geniuses was, okay, fine, whatever. Say somebody comes in like I did and says,

⏹️ ▶️ John there’s nothing wrong with my phone. I don’t actually have a problem. All I want to do

⏹️ ▶️ John is give you money in exchange for that money, you take out the battery that’s in there and put in a new one.

⏹️ ▶️ John And for the most part, the Apple genius has said, yeah, we’ll do that. Like as long as we’re all on the same page, that

⏹️ ▶️ John there’s not an actual problem that we’re trying to solve. Like there’s no acknowledged problem at all. It’s just a thing you want to happen.

⏹️ ▶️ John Not gonna do it under warranty for free if there’s no problem, obviously, because that’s just wasteful. And that was one angle that some

⏹️ ▶️ John people brought up is the waste of like, if you have a perfectly good battery, us replacing

⏹️ ▶️ John it even if you pass is not particularly environmentally conscious because batteries are all filled with

⏹️ ▶️ John heavy metals and other things that are not great. So why would you take a perfectly good battery throw away

⏹️ ▶️ John and replace it with another one. Um, so I kind of see that angle too. But in the end I feel like

⏹️ ▶️ John if someone comes in with a lot of money, especially if it’s $80 and not 30 and says, my phone has no problems,

⏹️ ▶️ John but please replace my battery. You should do so. And like I said, I did that and they did replace it for me, but there was a weird pause

⏹️ ▶️ John about it. So it would be better if there was less mystery surrounding this process and it would

⏹️ ▶️ John be much better if more customers knew how, how accessible battery

⏹️ ▶️ John replacements are for their iOS devices. Of course, this or I should use past tense

⏹️ ▶️ John how accessible they were because the other strain of feedback we got is from

⏹️ ▶️ John long suffering Apple retail employees who are now in the midst of what they described as

⏹️ ▶️ John a terrible situation where many, many angry customers are coming to the stores wanting new batteries

⏹️ ▶️ John and they don’t have any new batteries and there’s like a week long wait time and people are super angry and like I

⏹️ ▶️ John want my free battery and the public understanding of this problem as we predicted Is

⏹️ ▶️ John not very good people are just angry and just want either new batteries for free or new phones

⏹️ ▶️ John And they’re even more angry when you tell them that even if we could give you what you want you have to wait a week

⏹️ ▶️ John so bummer for Apple, but It’s kind of their own deal

⏹️ ▶️ Casey This is kind of it reminds me of the Takata Takata. Whatever it is airbag recall because I

⏹️ ▶️ Casey got a notice for my car Geez, I want to say like a year ago Maybe even more

⏹️ ▶️ Casey that oh your airbag is screwed up and hey it may kill you But there’s nothing we can do about it

⏹️ ▶️ Casey right now because we don’t have any and it wasn’t replaced until just a couple of months back

⏹️ ▶️ Casey that to me is a far more Egregious issue in that if I got in an

⏹️ ▶️ Casey accident the airbag that’s supposed to save my life might actually injure me Whereas this is just

⏹️ ▶️ Casey oh my phone isn’t working as quickly as I want and man I took a lot. I heard a lot of grumpy

⏹️ ▶️ Casey people people that were upset at me for not, you know, taking Apple,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey you know, behind the shed and shooting in the face or whatever, because I was not extremely grumpy about

⏹️ ▶️ Casey this battery issue. That analogy fell, fell down as soon as I opened my mouth.

⏹️ ▶️ John Casey has interesting child discipline techniques.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey That fell down as soon as I opened my mouth, but it was too late. But anyway, we’ll fix it in post. The point I’m driving

⏹️ ▶️ Casey at though is there were a lot of people that were really grumpy. I know we won’t. That were really

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, Marco grumpy that I wasn’t, that

⏹️ ▶️ Casey I wasn’t grumpy about this slowdown thing and I’m sorry but like hey

⏹️ ▶️ Casey I’m sorry if an older phone isn’t as fast as it once was. Everyone needs

⏹️ ▶️ Casey to take a damn chill pill. It’s frustrating yes but holy cow people are really worked up about this.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey It’s not an airbag. It’s not a malfunctioning seatbelt. It’s a telephone.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey It’ll be

⏹️ ▶️ John okay. Speaking of cars and recalls I had an annoying experience with my Honda recently. They had some recall thing

⏹️ ▶️ John and I think I was going in for regular service anyway or maybe was just encouraging me to go in but anyway some recall

⏹️ ▶️ John like fine whatever do my recall thing it’s free you know not a big deal it was like a battery it was one of those

⏹️ ▶️ John paranoid things where like if you get a bunch of salt on this battery terminal it could potentially spark and do a blah

⏹️ ▶️ John blah blah and it’s like that’s never gonna happen like yes there’s salt everywhere but i’m not afraid my

⏹️ ▶️ John thing is gonna explode you can you know i can see the battery it’s sitting right there it’s not in danger of spewing flame anyway whatever

⏹️ ▶️ John so fine they do some battery terminal whatcha moosey And I thought it was fine and then like

⏹️ ▶️ John two months later. I get another recall message. I’m like, oh I can ignore that I already did that recall and we’re like

⏹️ ▶️ John no This is a different recall like for the same thing for the battery terminal and my vague understanding

⏹️ ▶️ John of this I was mostly just too annoyed to look into it very deeply was that the first recall was

⏹️ ▶️ John like a Temporary patch where they just threw some goop on

⏹️ ▶️ John something or sealed something up to prevent this potential sparking giant explosion from

⏹️ ▶️ John the battery because they didn’t have enough of the replacement part that

⏹️ ▶️ John they wanted, that they should have replaced it with. And the second recall is, hey, guess what? We got the replacement parts now. So come

⏹️ ▶️ John back in and we’ll get rid of that little temporary fix we did and put in the replacement part. I suppose it’s nice that they would do two

⏹️ ▶️ John recalls for free, but as anyone with a car knows,

⏹️ ▶️ John even more so than with phones and maybe equally so with an all-in-one computer like Marco’s iMac,

⏹️ ▶️ John the worst part of any of these things is having to go in to the dealer or having to go in

⏹️ ▶️ John at all. Doesn’t really matter what they do when they’re there or if it costs no money. The time and hassle of just

⏹️ ▶️ John getting the car to the dealer and waiting while they do whatever, it’s so much worse than

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco any other aspect of the

⏹️ ▶️ John experience that it almost doesn’t matter what they do. So yeah, I had to go to the dealer two times.

⏹️ ▶️ John At least with the Apple thing, you only have to go once unless I suppose you take a two-hour drive to the mall and get there and find

⏹️ ▶️ John out they tell you that you have to come back in a week when they have batteries in stock.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah, I’ve had similar issues with service issues with Tesla. Like, they just

⏹️ ▶️ Marco are out of every part ever, all the time. And like, they had a

⏹️ ▶️ Marco parking break recall last summer. I still haven’t gotten it done. I’m still waiting for them to call me to tell me they

⏹️ ▶️ Marco have my part in. Like, I’ve called them like every like three months or so to check on this. Like, they still

⏹️ ▶️ John haven’t.

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco In the meantime,

⏹️ ▶️ John don’t park on hills, what did I tell you? Yeah, I don’t

⏹️ ▶️ Marco know. It was apparently a minor thing, But like I also, I ordered snow tires

⏹️ ▶️ Marco on, in like early December sometime. And when you order something from Tesla’s online

⏹️ ▶️ Marco parts store, something like that that like has to be installed somehow, somewhere, what they do is they just deliver

⏹️ ▶️ Marco it to your local service center and then they call you or email you when it’s ready and you set up an appointment

⏹️ ▶️ Marco to get it installed. So where are these snow tires in early December? Time goes by,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I got nothing. I get no emails, there’s no order status lookup page, There’s nothing, like, this

⏹️ ▶️ Marco is, it’s like an online store designed in 1992. Like, there’s like, it’s the most bare bones

⏹️ ▶️ Marco thing ever. You halfway expect to see a clear form button on the bottom. Like, it’s that, it’s that bare

⏹️ ▶️ Marco bones. So like, middle of last week, I’m like, you know, it’s snowing constantly.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I really could use those snow tires. Where the heck are they? And I still had nothing from Tesla.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco And I got an email saying, please rate your recent service experience at Tesla. I

⏹️ ▶️ Marco was like, I didn’t get any service recently. I wonder if maybe

⏹️ ▶️ Marco their system just didn’t send me that email, screwed up in all these different ways, but maybe it thought

⏹️ ▶️ Marco that them arriving at the service center was a service visit and generated that email.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco So I called the service center and sure enough, they’re like, oh yeah, we have them in now. Like, oh,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John wonderful. They’ve just been chilling out. Thanks for telling me.

⏹️ ▶️ John They’re the office mascot now, you’re forcing no tires. Yeah,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco they’re like, oh yeah, when do you want to come and have them installed? Yeah, thanks.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, Casey So yeah, I’m gonna have them

⏹️ ▶️ Marco installed tomorrow. Since I have you. It’s like everything with Tesla service and parts is a disaster

⏹️ ▶️ Marco and just trying to get things there and availability. Everything’s constantly backordered and

⏹️ ▶️ Marco like the cars are so great. I’m so happy with the car. But God, if you ever need to wait for a

⏹️ ▶️ Marco part, it’s not a good experience. Yeah,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey it’s a bummer.

iPhone X screen burn-in

⏹️ ▶️ Casey All right, so tell me about iPhone X screen burn-in.

⏹️ ▶️ John That’s a question we had about the AppleSource OLED phone. OLED has burn-in issues, supposedly worse

⏹️ ▶️ John burn-in issues than LCD. But of course Android phones have had OLED

⏹️ ▶️ John screens for a long time, so presumably it was a known quantity. This is the first test I’ve seen

⏹️ ▶️ John of an actual iPhone X versus a couple of popular Android phones with OLED screens

⏹️ ▶️ John for burn-in. Unfortunately, it is all in what are we gonna say? Is that

⏹️ ▶️ John Chinese Korean? I’m not good at looking at Text and telling exactly

⏹️ ▶️ John what’s I’m Korean I usually look for this the closed circles because

⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey there’s this

⏹️ ▶️ Casey looks more Korean to me, but I’m not sure

⏹️ ▶️ John yeah Chinese and Japanese don’t have the closed circles. I think I did Japanese the best anyway

⏹️ ▶️ John All that is to say I don’t know what it says except what Google Translate tells me There’s a YouTube video and an article but the upshot

⏹️ ▶️ John of it appears to be that the iPhone 10 resisted burn-in much much better than the

⏹️ ▶️ John two other Android phones that they tested. They had it on full brightness on the same image for like

⏹️ ▶️ John hundreds of hours to get very mild burn-in. So it looks pretty good, probably probably better

⏹️ ▶️ John than like say my iPad 3 or many other past LCD

⏹️ ▶️ John iOS devices that I found suffered pretty severe image retention after a couple of years. Obviously this iPhone

⏹️ ▶️ John X is newish, it’s not a three-year-old iPhone X, but Compared to a couple

⏹️ ▶️ John of contemporary phones, it looks like it’s pretty good. So I think Apple got a pretty good screen here. Chat room says Korean.

⏹️ ▶️ John Survey

⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey says.

⏹️ ▶️ John Close circles.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Close circles. That’s the secret.

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⏹️ ▶️ Marco I do have a very quick, very quick review of my iMac Pro after finally having

⏹️ ▶️ Marco a week of like real use. In this week I have done lots of podcast editing, I have done

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Xcode work, programming work with iOS apps, with my one iOS app. And

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I have also done a lot of video transcoding. I ripped a couple of Blu-rays and did some video transcoding

⏹️ ▶️ Marco work, including some pretty heavy ones, like trying to do H.265 and everything else.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I have yet to hear the fans spin up. Like, I have thrown everything I can at this CPU.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Granted, I’ve done almost nothing to the GPU, because my workload is typically very CPU heavy

⏹️ ▶️ Marco and pretty light on the GPU. Oh, I also imported, I think, 400 pictures

⏹️ ▶️ Marco from the Sony a7r3 before we got to and did rent

⏹️ ▶️ Marco had light room render one to one previews on import which I usually do for various reasons. So

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I threw everything I could at the CPU. I’ve seen all the cores either be maxed out or be almost maxed out for sustained

⏹️ ▶️ Marco periods. I cannot get the fan to spin up into a to a level that it’s audible. Did you

⏹️ ▶️ Marco play games? No of course not I don’t play games, but it was good to play some games on your computer.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Why we have we Nintendo switch it’s the best it’s the best game platform ever why would I play the game to my

⏹️ ▶️ John computer because you want to stress this the CPU and the GPU at the same time double the heat

⏹️ ▶️ Marco no but I don’t care do you look into your fax machine like no I

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John just this is not for science not for you it’s for science

⏹️ ▶️ Marco anyway so all this is to say that so far in my in my

⏹️ ▶️ Marco week of using this computer pretty heavily I’m just incredibly

⏹️ ▶️ Marco happy with it it is so good it is so fast it It is

⏹️ ▶️ Marco so quiet. It is… and it’s just… It just has no limits

⏹️ ▶️ Marco for me. Like, not everything is perfectly fast and stable, but that’s down to software, not hardware. Like,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco it is just so damn good. I’m incredibly happy with the iMac

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Pro. And I would say it is… I wouldn’t say extremely

⏹️ ▶️ Marco likely that I wouldn’t ever need another Mac Pro again. But… Ha ha ha!

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, Casey Okay. But it is…

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Everyone mark this down. I’m just saying it is somewhat likely that I might

⏹️ ▶️ Marco not need the Mac Pro. Well, I don’t need the Mac Pro, but I might not want a Mac Pro

⏹️ ▶️ Marco after this. Like this is so so damn good that even though I mean

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I think you know John’s assertion last episode was correct that there’s pretty much no chance that I don’t at least buy the Mac Pro.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco So I am I am probably gonna buy it, but man this is good

⏹️ ▶️ Marco and anybody who thinks, oh, maybe this won’t be as good as the Mac Pro

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I should wait. Honestly, I don’t think you need to wait. This is the new Mac Pro for

⏹️ ▶️ Marco all intents and purposes, and it’s so good that if you have a need

⏹️ ▶️ Marco for this kind of computer right now, just get this. It’s amazing.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey I’m glad you like it, I really am. I think it’s hilarious that you think you would even, for a fleeting

⏹️ ▶️ Casey moment, say no to a Mac Pro. I mean, this is like when I was talking about the Apple Watch that I didn’t want.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, Marco Or

⏹️ ▶️ Casey there were like three or four things in a row that I told everyone I didn’t want and then ended up immediately reneging on.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, Marco Oh, speaking of, I don’t- BMWs, Macs.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Yeah, exactly. I don’t think I want a HomePod, so let’s just put that on record right now. Yeah,

⏹️ ▶️ John I don’t think I do either. You have no problem sticking to that one if they never ship it. Well,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey good point. But I think it’s pretty obvious that both of us will end up with a HomePod.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco So to address me-mania in the chat, can you functionally tell that this is a much better computer than the regular iMac

⏹️ ▶️ Marco without benchmarking or stress testing? That’s a very good question. You can tell

⏹️ ▶️ Marco that just whenever you do anything multi-threaded it is noticeably faster, obviously because I’m going from four cores to 10.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco So you’re gonna see that difference, like that’s a big difference. It also, besides

⏹️ ▶️ Marco the cosmetic stuff, like the Space Grain and everything, it also just, being able to operate

⏹️ ▶️ Marco no matter what you throw at it in silence is a pretty big difference from the

⏹️ ▶️ Marco 5K iMac. The 5K iMac, for all, as I mentioned last episode, I you know having used that computer for three

⏹️ ▶️ Marco years it’s a great computer and for a lot of people that is plenty that’s fine

⏹️ ▶️ Marco but the one thing that always got me about it that was not true of Mac pros is that it what you would hear

⏹️ ▶️ Marco the fan spin up up and down up and down as you if you if you were pushing the CPU really hard for things

⏹️ ▶️ Marco you hear the fan come up and down with it whereas with this that doesn’t happen so

⏹️ ▶️ Marco that is a pretty big difference if you’re if you’re doing things that really stress it and if you care

⏹️ ▶️ Marco about fan noise if of those things is not true for you then you’re fine with the

⏹️ ▶️ Marco regular iMac. But it’s you you were definitely getting something for the additional money here in addition

⏹️ ▶️ Marco to the performance increases and the different architecture and you know the ECC and stuff like that.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I would say the ability to run in that silence

⏹️ ▶️ Marco could easily come to the iMac to the regular iMac if they redesigned it thermally

⏹️ ▶️ Marco to be more like this but they can’t do that as far as I can tell until they remove

⏹️ ▶️ Marco all ability to put a three and a half inch hard drive in there because if you look at how the internals

⏹️ ▶️ Marco of these things are laid out the reason the iMac Pro is able to cool itself to for not only to cool

⏹️ ▶️ Marco itself with just such a high thermal load with all these all these high-end components in it but I think one of the reasons they’re able to do it so quietly

⏹️ ▶️ Marco is because they have a giant heat sink and fan assembly located right in the middle of the back

⏹️ ▶️ Marco the thickest part of the enclosure and that is right where the three and a half inch hard drive goes in a regular

⏹️ ▶️ Marco iMac so So if they continue to ship iMacs with hard drive

⏹️ ▶️ Marco options available, which honestly I think the time for that is just about done,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco probably the next major generation of iMac, I assume they’re probably going to

⏹️ ▶️ Marco drop the hard drive option. And if they do, then they can adopt this kind of thermal design

⏹️ ▶️ Marco and then they can run it in silence too.

⏹️ ▶️ John The other place people might notice a speed difference on the iMac Pro, which is unfortunately undercut by an even more dramatic

⏹️ ▶️ John speed differences. If you’re coming from a computer like a iMac 5K

⏹️ ▶️ John or even older that has a spinning drive, even if it’s a fusion drive configuration, and you do

⏹️ ▶️ John lots of reading and writing very large files, and I was gonna say, oh, you really notice it

⏹️ ▶️ John when you duplicate a three gig file, but unfortunately APFS makes duplicating a three gig file the same volume

⏹️ ▶️ John instantaneous. So it kind of kills your ability to see the benchmark. But what I’m getting at is that the SSDs in the

⏹️ ▶️ John iMac Pro are very, very fast, especially for large bulk transfers

⏹️ ▶️ John of huge files. It could be that it ends up being, you know, if, if you’re not cooked up

⏹️ ▶️ John to 10 gig ethernet, your three gigs per second of disc IO, you’re never, you’re never going

⏹️ ▶️ John to see that. Uh, you’re never going to see it on the same volume because APFS will instantly copy it. And you’re never

⏹️ ▶️ John going to see it across the wire because you’re limited by the speed of ethernet. Uh, but rest assured that the disc is much faster.

⏹️ ▶️ John So if you do things that have do a lot of iOS, just reading a very large file into RAM or saving

⏹️ ▶️ John out a large file, you may notice those progress bars speed up. And that’s not a multi threaded thing. It’s just like,

⏹️ ▶️ John you know, if you’re ever used to staring at a progress bar when disk I was going on, that progress bar should go faster

⏹️ ▶️ John on the iMac pro than it does on other computers. But yeah, if you’re if you’re just running single

⏹️ ▶️ John threaded applications, the iMac pro is actually slower than the five k i the top end five k iMac for

⏹️ ▶️ John some single threaded tasks, depending on how many cores you get in it. But it’s all it’s all about the multi-door and I suppose

⏹️ ▶️ John if you’re doing anything having to do the GPU the GPU in the iMac Pro, even though Marco never uses it to do anything except for

⏹️ ▶️ John show windows on his screen is way way faster than the 5k I think lightroom uses it

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Well, plus I’ve heard reports from Marco from underscore And

⏹️ ▶️ Casey from Jason Snell about how much faster FFmpeg is and in transcoding video is on their fancy

⏹️ ▶️ Casey pants I Mac pros and pretty much everyone is has independently concluded that it’s about twice as fast

⏹️ ▶️ Casey as their prior 5k iMAX. Now I think everyone had older 5k iMAX than

⏹️ ▶️ Casey I have but nevertheless it’s basically a 2x improvement and that

⏹️ ▶️ Casey makes me sad because although I don’t transcode stuff as much as I probably paint it I do

⏹️ ▶️ Casey it often enough that I wish I had more speed with which to do it. But do

⏹️ ▶️ Casey I want to spend $5,000 plus to transcode videos quicker? No, no I

⏹️ ▶️ Casey don’t.

Sony A7R III review

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Speaking of spending a shed load of money, Marco, tell me about your camera.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I love that. My name always comes out to that phrase. It sure does. So,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco sometime last year, I described that I had sold my formerly

⏹️ ▶️ Marco beloved Sony a7R II to Stephen Hackett, incidentally, because

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I was not happy with its speed and battery life were

⏹️ ▶️ Marco the two big issues with it. it and I had gone back to Canon SLRs back from

⏹️ ▶️ Marco whence I came and I was very happy with the handling and everything of Canon SLRs.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I was never as happy with the pictures I would get out of the Canon SLRs

⏹️ ▶️ Marco because the Sony had not only a pretty big megapixel advantage and

⏹️ ▶️ Marco the camera I’m talking about on the Canon side is the 5D Mark IV which is an amazing camera.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco But the main problem was that it didn’t have the megapixels, it did have the

⏹️ ▶️ Marco anti-aliasing filter over the sensor, so you couldn’t quite

⏹️ ▶️ Marco get the level of sharpness out of the Canon,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco and it didn’t have as advanced of an autofocus system. And so my

⏹️ ▶️ Marco hit rate was not as good. It also didn’t have in-body stabilization, so it

⏹️ ▶️ Marco also kind of further lowered the hit rate and it couldn’t quite achieve the high ISO

⏹️ ▶️ Marco numbers or dynamic range and shadows that the Sony could. It was very close

⏹️ ▶️ Marco but it was you know it was a noticeable downgrade in those areas but I was happy with the

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Canon because it was just so much more pleasurable to use because everything was so much faster

⏹️ ▶️ Marco and it handled so much better and everything and and I would still stand by the fact that if you are

⏹️ ▶️ Marco shooting events like if you’re somehow in some kind of pro role I think the Canon line

⏹️ ▶️ Marco is still what you want and maybe Nikon too I’m sorry Nikon fans I don’t know anything about Nikon really

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I rented a d750 once and it was great but when it came time to buy I wasn’t that

⏹️ ▶️ Marco convinced by the lens lineup for what I actually would want in my lenses and so I didn’t I didn’t go

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Nikon at any of these points but anyway the

⏹️ ▶️ Marco the main problem I had with the Canon again was just that I wasn’t getting my favorite images

⏹️ ▶️ Marco out of it. Like, as I was looking back, like most of my most of my favorite images were shot by the

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Sony and the Canon was so much more pleasurable to use and way faster

⏹️ ▶️ Marco and the battery life was way better, but I just was not getting images that blew me away

⏹️ ▶️ Marco out of it. It really is made for pro use and that’s where it really does excel,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco but that’s not what I needed. I really just wanted a camera that gave me shockingly good images

⏹️ ▶️ Marco that just made me feel something like about how good they were and the Canon just didn’t do that.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Late in 2017, it’s like a couple months ago, Sony announced the a7R III

⏹️ ▶️ Marco and it doesn’t actually change that much from the a7R II, but two of the big things it changes are

⏹️ ▶️ Marco battery life and performance. The two big problems I have

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John with the two.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco It’s the same sensor, a couple of minor improvements here and there, but for the most part it’s It’s fairly similar,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco but a battery that’s like two and a half times the size, and a

⏹️ ▶️ Marco significantly upgraded image processor and interface and everything else, so it’s just a lot snappier.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco The Christmas season is by far my heaviest photography

⏹️ ▶️ Marco time. I decided right before Christmas, you know what, let me try it. Because one thing I did when I left

⏹️ ▶️ Marco the Sony ecosystem, I kept my two favorite lenses, the 35 2.8 and the 55 1.8 primes.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I kept both of those thinking, you know, if I ever go back, I’ll have these

⏹️ ▶️ Marco lenses, I want to rebuy them. If I don’t go back after a couple years, I’ll sell them, they’ll still have

⏹️ ▶️ Marco a lot of value and it’s not gonna matter whether I sell them now or in a year or two. So I still had the lens, so all

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I did was buy the body and I figured, you know what, let me try it. If it’s terrible, I can return it or

⏹️ ▶️ Marco sell it or something. And so I shot all through Christmas with it and

⏹️ ▶️ Marco it is fantastic. It is so, so good. It is still not to the

⏹️ ▶️ Marco levels of performance and battery life that the Canon offers, that most SLRs can offer,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco but it’s now close enough. It’s now like, those things are not huge hindrances

⏹️ ▶️ Marco that annoy me while using it. They’re just now very minor limitations,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco but it’s a massive difference in those two areas. And I have taken

⏹️ ▶️ Marco shots that I just love from this camera. Like, it is just so good.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco And because of the features it offers and some other performance areas it offers,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco especially in regards to auto-focus features, auto-focus performance, and low light performance

⏹️ ▶️ Marco and in-body stabilization, it is just an incredibly high keeper

⏹️ ▶️ Marco rate of what I shoot, compared to my regular SLR use. So,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I’m now back in the Sony world, I guess, and it’s really, really

⏹️ ▶️ Marco a very good camera. And it is not cheap, none of this stuff is cheap. I mean, the camera

⏹️ ▶️ Marco is like $3,000 and the lenses I just mentioned, I think are seven or $800 each.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco This is not a cheap thing to do, but no camera that offers this level of performance

⏹️ ▶️ Marco is cheap. The Canon SLRs aren’t cheap either. So within the realm of what

⏹️ ▶️ Marco you get, I think it is well-priced and it is really, really good.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco and I’m very glad I have it.

⏹️ ▶️ John So what does Tiff think of it? Because she was, even when you had the R2, she was the

⏹️ ▶️ John SLR, the Canon SLR diehard who didn’t want to come over to the Sony side of the fence, or the mirrorless

⏹️ ▶️ John side of the fence even.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah, she very much prefers the Canons. But she said over Christmas that she

⏹️ ▶️ Marco was glad that I got this, because it is, the Sony

⏹️ ▶️ Marco has pretty big advantages when you’re shooting indoors in low light, which a lot of our Christmas

⏹️ ▶️ Marco shooting is exactly that. And so, and it’s also just, you know, small

⏹️ ▶️ Marco and unobtrusive and easy to handle and easy to like have around like in the living room while

⏹️ ▶️ Marco we’re opening gifts and stuff like that. And so it’s like, it was a very, very good camera for

⏹️ ▶️ Marco our needs for Christmas. And so even though it is not her favorite camera the rest of the year, she was very happy

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I had it. And, you know, it’s gonna continue to be my camera

⏹️ ▶️ Marco basically and the Canons will resume being her cameras way they used to be. But

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John yeah.

⏹️ ▶️ John She’s glad you’re around to use the camera if she doesn’t

⏹️ ▶️ Marco like it. Yeah, pretty much. I mean, and she’s glad I— Looks good on you, though. And she’s glad

⏹️ ▶️ Marco that I no longer need to use hers. Don’t laugh at that. You didn’t get that reference. I

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John didn’t. No. I was laughing at your voice,

⏹️ ▶️ John really. Exactly. Trust me, that was a dead-on imitation of the thing I was referencing. Good.

⏹️ ▶️ John Congratulations.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I give you one point.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John As far

⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey as you know, it’s dead-on. And may

⏹️ ▶️ Casey God have mercy on your soul. Actually, that was no points. Yeah, that’s all right. Yep.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Anyway. All right. So you like your camera. That’s good. So what are the complaints about other than cost?

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Like, so are you 100% happy now or outside of the fact that you’re broke

⏹️ ▶️ Casey or are you just 90% happy? I am pretty happy.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I mean, the battery life is now good enough. Like it’s to the

⏹️ ▶️ Marco point where you can, I was able to shoot with it like all day and not have to swap batteries. And

⏹️ ▶️ Marco that’s way different than the A7R II. I laughed,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco the A7R II, when it came out, it came with two batteries in the box. That’s

⏹️ ▶️ Marco how bad the battery life is on the A7R II, that they ship it with two batteries. I’ve never seen

⏹️ ▶️ Marco any electronic of any kind that came with two of its own batteries because the battery life was so bad,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco they knew you would need both. I’ve literally never seen that before or since.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco But this one only comes with one for a reason. you really don’t, like one is fine. I have a second one just because

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I was afraid, so I bought a second one and like, I did swap it a couple times like, during downtime

⏹️ ▶️ Marco on Christmas day, like when we had like, you know, you know, no need to shoot for like 20 minutes, I would

⏹️ ▶️ Marco swap anyway, but I didn’t need to. And I swapped twice and I like, compared like the,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco you know, the percentages, and I was like, oh, I didn’t even need to swap at all, this is great. So, battery life,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco huge thumbs up. The performance of things like, you know, reviewing images quickly to make

⏹️ ▶️ Marco sure like, you got the focus right and everything. It is way faster than it was.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco It also has a pretty good feature where, on the A7, this is really nitpicky and

⏹️ ▶️ Marco no one who doesn’t own this will even care, but quickly, this is a pretty big upgrade. The

⏹️ ▶️ Marco A7R II, if you would try to do something while it was writing to the card, it would say operation

⏹️ ▶️ Marco not available for a lot of things that you try to do. This one doesn’t do that anymore. That’s a huge, so like,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco that’s like a big waiting point from a7R II that is gone on a7R III. So anyway,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco stuff like that. There’s a number of big and small improvements that remove

⏹️ ▶️ Marco tons of friction and annoyances from this camera that were there in the a7R II. And the

⏹️ ▶️ Marco a7R II is an awesome camera already. So to be able to improve on it so substantially

⏹️ ▶️ Marco in only, I think, two years from the original release, that’s pretty good. So

⏹️ ▶️ Marco very, very happy. At the moment, I really have no major complaints about it.

⏹️ ▶️ John Did they change the interface the the horrible as far as I’m concerned like menu

⏹️ ▶️ John system interface the Sony

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco thing?

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Oh, yeah, they changed it from one disaster to another so it’s a lateral move. It’s it’s different

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I don’t think it’s better, but it is different

⏹️ ▶️ John So they had to learn where to find things all over again was that under the suitcase on screen seven or yeah

⏹️ ▶️ John It looks like they added they had a little joystick to the back of it too

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco for

⏹️ ▶️ John like focus moving and stuff

⏹️ ▶️ Marco yes I don’t really use that very often, but it is nice when you need it

⏹️ ▶️ John And I’ve replaced the weird Sony AF MF switch with a

⏹️ ▶️ John Switch with a button in the middle of it. That’s gone.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Oh, yeah the weird Yeah, the DMF thing that’s now that’s in the menu somewhere. I don’t know That’s I usually

⏹️ ▶️ Marco keep it in continuous focus

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John and

⏹️ ▶️ John I use that middle button for I auto focus Do you ever use I auto focus is that on this?

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I always use I auto focus That’s one of the things that makes the focus engine so awesome on this

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Do what button

⏹️ ▶️ John do you have that assigned to?

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Oh, I just have it on all the time.

⏹️ ▶️ John I thought it was a button, at least on my camera, I think it’s a button you have to assign it to.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I know they upgraded it in some way for this. I never used it on the two,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco so I don’t know if it’s that different in that way, but yeah, the Eye Priority

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Autofocus is great, and I use it frequently.

⏹️ ▶️ John Because on my camera, when you do it half button down, it will never do Eye Autofocus, you have to press another button that you assign to

⏹️ ▶️ John be Eye Autofocus, and then the little green square zooms right in on their eyeball and you know it’s doing it. Like you get the tiny

⏹️ ▶️ John little green square.

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco Instead of the big. Maybe

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I’m not

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John doing

⏹️ ▶️ Marco it. Face thing.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John I think you’re not doing it. There’s

⏹️ ▶️ Marco face priority auto focus. I have that always enabled. There might be a different thing.

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco Yeah,

⏹️ ▶️ John the auto focus, you’ll know you’re doing it because it makes the green focus rectangle literally

⏹️ ▶️ John the size of their iris. And it just pinned onto their iris. All right, I’ll play

⏹️ ▶️ Marco with it. Yeah, because I just get the whole face as the green rectangle. Yeah,

⏹️ ▶️ John and the reason I bring it up is because I use that middle, I used that button in the middle of the AF-MF switch to be my auto-focus

⏹️ ▶️ John switch, because it’s like a thumb thing, but now with that button gone, replaced by the joystick, I’m not sure what I’d press. Although you have those programmable

⏹️ ▶️ John buttons, like, what the hell

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco they

⏹️ ▶️ Marco call them. Yeah, there’s like six different buttons you can program to do whatever you want. So you definitely have options.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Also, one thing, with the battery life being so much better, it allows me to turn

⏹️ ▶️ Marco on features that the a7R II had, but that I didn’t use because it would kill the battery

⏹️ ▶️ Marco more. So one example of that is, I believe it’s called pre-AF, where like that kind

⏹️ ▶️ Marco of tries to keep autofocus in a reasonably ready state before you actually push the button halfway down,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco like just as you’re looking around through the viewfinder. That I can now leave on, because the

⏹️ ▶️ Marco battery is not so bad that you have to like turn off half the features to conserve battery life. And

⏹️ ▶️ Casey that’s pre as f**k.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Wow.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey I couldn’t help it, I’m

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, Marco sorry. I

⏹️ ▶️ Marco know, that’s fine,

⏹️ ▶️ John yeah. Did you, did they make the grip bigger on the body too?

⏹️ ▶️ John Like the little part you grab with your right hand, does it like poke out from the camera more?

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I no longer have the two, so I can’t do a cybersec comparison, but the whole camera body got

⏹️ ▶️ Marco slightly deeper. So maybe, like the overall grip

⏹️ ▶️ Marco on it might be slightly bigger, but it’s not a huge difference. I’m trying

⏹️ ▶️ John to figure out where they put the two and a half times as big battery, like because the battery’s in that grip, like the part where you hold it, so the

⏹️ ▶️ John hole where the battery goes has to be bigger, so maybe the grip is bigger. I

⏹️ ▶️ Marco think that’s why the whole body is bigger, honestly. It’s mostly for the, oh, there’s also now dual card slots.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco The cards have, the bottom card has UHS-II, it has like the whole extra row of terminals,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco so does the iMac Pro card reader, so that’s way faster now. The camera also has USB 3, and it has

⏹️ ▶️ Marco both a micro USB and a USB-C port, either one of which can be used to

⏹️ ▶️ Marco power the camera, charge the battery, and transfer photos. Oh, that’s

⏹️ ▶️ John nice. USB-C on cameras is my dream every time I plug in that terrible micro

⏹️ ▶️ John USB or whatever that connector is that always feels like it’s broken and you have to stare out for 10 minutes to make

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco sure You have the right way before

⏹️ ▶️ John you before you try to jam it in. Yep.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco That’s a big that’s that’s a big like quality of life improvement And and like just a

⏹️ ▶️ Marco having the camera be able to charge itself over USB, which the two could do but cannons can’t That’s

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I love that feature alone because that means for you know, most places you would bring it you don’t have to bring a separate battery

⏹️ ▶️ Marco charger unless you really need like super fast charging while one battery’s in use. But you know,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, Casey if you- Now,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey hold on. I think you’re underplaying this. Even with your amount of enthusiasm, my

⏹️ ▶️ Casey beloved, and I love this camera, my Olympus OM-D E-M10 has

⏹️ ▶️ Casey an external battery charger that is not terribly small, and the cable is not terribly

⏹️ ▶️ Casey conducive to being wrapped up cleanly and nicely. It drives me insane.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey and I would give almost anything to be able to charge the battery within the camera itself. That

⏹️ ▶️ Casey in and of itself would make me give all of my money to Sony or Olympus or what have you

⏹️ ▶️ Casey so I could charge the stupid batteries in the camera. That’s tremendous.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Most Sonys offer that feature, by the way, including Johns, I believe, right?

⏹️ ▶️ John Yeah, but before you say that, though, you should consider what, like, I don’t know who came

⏹️ ▶️ John up with this design. It surely wasn’t Sony, but anyone who has a camera, fancy or otherwise, probably

⏹️ ▶️ John familiar with the idea of a panel somewhere on your camera, probably with like a fingernail

⏹️ ▶️ John ridge on it that they expect you to like disengage somehow. And then it just swings

⏹️ ▶️ John out of the way on this flimsy single pivot and hopefully doesn’t crack off. Like

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco the doors you have to

⏹️ ▶️ John move to get at the USB things are like the worst design, flimsiest, most terrifying,

⏹️ ▶️ John they’re going to snap off of my $3,000 camera in two seconds if I’m not careful, doors. And it doesn’t have

⏹️ ▶️ John to be that way. Like it’s possible to make a sturdy door covering a bunch of

⏹️ ▶️ John ports, but cameras don’t. They do like literally the, it’s like, by how little

⏹️ ▶️ John material can we attach this flimsy plastic door to our camera? Can we do it by like a human hair?

⏹️ ▶️ John Then do that, and then you can’t quite swing them totally out of the way. I’ll tell you what though,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I’ve never had one break.

⏹️ ▶️ John I know, because everyone is super careful with them. You’d treat them with kid

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco gloves, and

⏹️ ▶️ John you’re like, ooh, this looks delicate, so you’re super careful with it. The one on my camera is actually not that bad. It actually slides

⏹️ ▶️ John like back and then out, and it’s almost like a double hinge thing, but I see the picture of the A7R III. It’s

⏹️ ▶️ John got three giant flimsy doors, all connected at one point, all of which partially

⏹️ ▶️ John block the ports unless you like twist them like 720 degrees around, like rotate them out of

⏹️ ▶️ John the way until you find the position where they’re not blocking the ports. I really wish they would fix that. I’m not asking for waterproof

⏹️ ▶️ John cameras here. I’m just saying like, make the doors a little bit more, a little bit more sturdy to match. The rest of the camera

⏹️ ▶️ John looks

⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey pretty

⏹️ ▶️ John rugged, like, but those doors, no good. Wow. Well, I wish

⏹️ ▶️ John you didn’t like this camera as much as you do, Marcos. I was hoping you’d be like, oh, no, it’s still no good. I go back to my Canon

⏹️ ▶️ John because now I want this camera and it costs too much money.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I mean, that would be funnier on the show if I did that. But unfortunately, I don’t see it happening.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I’m just so much happier with like, as I said, like the A7R II was such a great camera, but just

⏹️ ▶️ Marco was let down by a few of its, you know, lacking technologies or choices. And

⏹️ ▶️ Marco this one fixes them all. So it’s really good.

⏹️ ▶️ John You were pessimistic about it, too, by the way, when the camera came out, like, oh, no one had gotten to test it yet. You were like, oh, no,

⏹️ ▶️ John it’s probably not going to be that great. Maybe the battery life is better, but whatever.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Because we had an Ask ATP question like three or four months ago when it came out from somebody

⏹️ ▶️ Marco saying, am I going to get it? And at the time, I said, I’ll see what the reviews say, but I don’t

⏹️ ▶️ Marco think it would be a better enough battery or better enough performance to make it worth it.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco And then all the early reviews were so glowing and positive, especially on those two fronts.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco And actually, what made me get it was one of the reviews that said the little nitpicky thing

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I said earlier, where you can keep navigating menus while it’s writing to the card. As soon as

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I read that, I’m like, oh my God, huge difference, buying it. That was it.

⏹️ ▶️ John Have you tried the insane frame rate for the burst photos on

⏹️ ▶️ John anything?

⏹️ ▶️ Marco No, I don’t usually do high speed bursts. I think it can go up to like 10 frames a second, something like that. It goes

⏹️ ▶️ John way higher than you ever really want it to. Like the iPhone goes pretty insanely high too, but like, you know, I do

⏹️ ▶️ John lots of burst photos because I do action photos on like, you know, the ocean or vacation. I don’t think I’ve

⏹️ ▶️ John ever gone above the mid setting, which is like half of the rate that my

⏹️ ▶️ John camera’s able to do. And I think this one is able to go, you practically take like slow-mo movies

⏹️ ▶️ John with the number of frames per second. It’s pretty ridiculous. Yeah. on like the iPhone, you don’t have like keep

⏹️ ▶️ John only one frame from the burst. You have to sort through all 900 photos you just took by holding down the shutter button

⏹️ ▶️ John for three seconds

⏹️ ▶️ Marco and every one of them is like a 45 megabyte raw file that

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John takes light room like 10 seconds to

⏹️ ▶️ John burst. Burst photos, especially at the highest speed, are it’s like a it’s

⏹️ ▶️ John like a stress test for your ability to do pics from your own photos, right? Because

⏹️ ▶️ John you

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco have to go

⏹️ ▶️ John through like 100 pictures, all of which are nearly identical to each other and decide to own this

⏹️ ▶️ John one without this one without this one without this be like they’re practically identical. They’re two pixels different.

⏹️ ▶️ John Which one do I delete? It’s lots of fun.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah, I have rarely found bursts worthwhile. I used to like back when I was like when I was

⏹️ ▶️ Marco in like earlier in my photography hobby like you know five ten years ago, I would I would

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I kept it in continuous shooting mode and would frequently shoot like a three or four picture burst for whatever

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I was getting and that would be over about a second, but over time I I

⏹️ ▶️ Marco first of all, I just kind of got better at timing it. And so I didn’t need the burst as much. But also I realized

⏹️ ▶️ Marco like I was never it was never worth the time or the storage overhead or the processing

⏹️ ▶️ Marco overhead. You know, I wasn’t getting enough out of it. So I just switched to single shot most

⏹️ ▶️ Marco of the time and it’s totally fine.

⏹️ ▶️ John Well, for sports, you still need the burst. Like that’s what I’m using. If people are

⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey in

⏹️ ▶️ John motion, playing a sport or running or, you know, jumping in the ocean waves, burst is the way to go because there’s

⏹️ ▶️ John no other way to get the shot that you want. Yeah, burst is annoying as anything for situations where people

⏹️ ▶️ John are not performing a sport Because you end up like with three pictures of everybody

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah, yeah burst makes a lot of sense for like for like pros or people shooting soccer

⏹️ ▶️ Marco or pros shooting soccer But yeah, my family is not that high motion

⏹️ ▶️ John I would recommend that even if you know people like playing badminton in the backyard at a family gathering Try

⏹️ ▶️ John it burst for those things, you know for people doing sports if they’re performing emotion like they’re you know Swatting at the

⏹️ ▶️ John little birdie thing or they’re hitting a volleyball or blocking a jump shot even

⏹️ ▶️ John just a burst of three or four You know usually all of them are crap But every once in

⏹️ ▶️ John a while one of them is good and you realize if I had taken a single shot the odds of me Getting that one weren’t good. So when people

⏹️ ▶️ John are in motion in very bright sunlight, obviously You know you use that uh that

⏹️ ▶️ John sport preset on your Sony camera that you know cranks down the the shutter speed speed,

⏹️ ▶️ John and turn on burst mode. Not on the high setting, because then you’ll get like every hair moving

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco on their body, but just

⏹️ ▶️ John on the mid or low setting to get a couple of choices. That’s how I’ve gotten most of my good ocean pictures,

⏹️ ▶️ John because way steep in the ocean and waves are crashing on people,

⏹️ ▶️ John you need a burst to get anything good out of that. And very often, both ends of the burst

⏹️ ▶️ John are garbage, so you’re like, boy, it’s a good thing. It’s a good thing I got that middle part there. If I had just put the shutter down

⏹️ ▶️ John when I thought it was happening. Got one picture. Odds of it being good are very

⏹️ ▶️ Marco small. Nostalgia. No. And the chat suggests maybe you could binary search through the burst.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco All right, start in the middle. It’s just what I want

⏹️ ▶️ John before

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco or after.

⏹️ ▶️ John The problem is the judgment. The problem is the judgment, the judgment call. Like you will get down

⏹️ ▶️ John to sort of more or less the portion of the pose that you want, but then you have five pictures to choose from that.

⏹️ ▶️ John If you had to put them side by side, you’d be hard pressed to say, Are these the same picture or are they different?

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah, I think if you’re getting that little variation, then either your frame rate is too high or you don’t need to be shooting

⏹️ ▶️ John bursts. That’s why I say don’t go above mid because these things, the frame rate, I forget what it is. I think it’s like,

⏹️ ▶️ John is it like 40 or 60? I don’t know.

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco It might be faster than

⏹️ ▶️ Marco the A9 is the sport oriented model. That one I think can go faster. I think the

⏹️ ▶️ Marco A7R3 is either like seven or 10 frames a second, but the A9 I think might be 15 or 20. No, it’s gotta

⏹️ ▶️ John be faster than that. Mine is faster than that. Is it because the giant sensor can’t get the data onto the card

⏹️ ▶️ Marco fast enough? I believe it can’t get data off the sensor fast enough. I think that’s usually the limitation.

⏹️ ▶️ John Yeah, no, mine is fast enough because I have the smaller sensor. And

⏹️ ▶️ Marco we’re not talking about video mode, we’re talking about like

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John photos. Yeah,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco camera, just plain old photos. Yeah, okay, the A9 is up to 20 frames a second.

⏹️ ▶️ John Anyway, 10 pictures for one second goes by faster than you think.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco It is 10, yeah, so A7R III is 10, A9 is 20.

⏹️ ▶️ John Speaking of video, have you shot any video with it or are you still just iPhone only for that?

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I’m just iPhone only for that. I really, I don’t shoot, And I know this is like, it’s weird, like

⏹️ ▶️ Marco high-end cameras like this have themselves in a weird market where basically around

⏹️ ▶️ Marco the time of the Canon 5D Mark II, which came out in 2008, the

⏹️ ▶️ Marco SLR market shifted dramatically because the Mark II was the first widely available SLR

⏹️ ▶️ Marco that could shoot really good video. And like so good that it was actually better

⏹️ ▶️ Marco than a lot of pro video cameras at the time. And that trend has continued, And while

⏹️ ▶️ Marco pro video cameras now are better in certain ways and certain things,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco a lot of video is shot on SLRs and high-end mirrorless cameras. Like a lot of pro-level

⏹️ ▶️ Marco video is shot using these cameras. And so video dictates a lot of their feature set because

⏹️ ▶️ Marco that’s the people who are actually buying these things. So it’s funny, it’s hard to find good reviews of these cameras

⏹️ ▶️ Marco if you’re not into video because so many of the reviews focus so heavily on videos because that’s what so many of the buyers are, that’s what

⏹️ ▶️ Marco so many of the features are for, that’s assuming the changes are every year. I really don’t shoot video with

⏹️ ▶️ Marco fancy cameras very often. And it’s not because it’s not good, it looks great when you do it,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco it’s because I’m not a good enough videographer to do it. And if I just shoot video with my

⏹️ ▶️ Marco iPhone, it turns out way better, because the iPhone does a way better job at auto focus, and also

⏹️ ▶️ Marco the iPhone tends to be way better at, oh, and also it has built-in stabilization, of course, but also the iPhone

⏹️ ▶️ Marco is way better at audio. Like whatever it does with its built-in

⏹️ ▶️ Marco mics and the noise cancellation that it does between them, it is way better at

⏹️ ▶️ Marco its built-in audio than the crappy little built-in mics that are on SLRs. And granted,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco pro video people don’t use the built-in mics, or at least they shouldn’t. So, you know, there’s not much of a

⏹️ ▶️ Marco market demand for the camera makers to make their camera built-in mics awesome, but if you’re just a casual person

⏹️ ▶️ Marco shooting with what you have in your hand without any external equipment, the iPhone will shoot

⏹️ ▶️ Marco way better video and way better audio along with it than most of these cameras will

⏹️ ▶️ Marco do, you know, in a layman’s hands.

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⏹️ ▶️ Casey So programming note. Baby? No,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, Marco but

⏹️ ▶️ Casey I think we should choose wisely. So I have

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, Marco armed Windows PCs. We have different goals here.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Your

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, Casey goal is to end the show early. My goal is

⏹️ ▶️ Marco to have you have to leave the show to have a baby. Because

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, Casey I think that would be amazing. We’re gonna avoid

⏹️ ▶️ Casey that.

⏹️ ▶️ John We just jump to Ask ATP immediately and then we’ll check back in and see how we’re doing.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey All right, then you’ll just restitch it all in post? No, we’ll just have a

⏹️ ▶️ John longer after show.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Yeah, all right, I’m okay with that.

⏹️ ▶️ John We’ll just keep going the after show until that baby comes down. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco yeah. So Casey, tell us more about your Jeep Wrangler ambitions. Well,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey since you’ve

⏹️ ▶️ Marco asked. I saw a broken down Wrangler on a tow truck bed the other day, I thought of you.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Oh, thanks

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, John buddy.

⏹️ ▶️ John I saw a Wrangler with purple, I assume LED rings

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco on

⏹️ ▶️ John the headlights during the day. So it was like during the day, but there was two purple circles looking

⏹️ ▶️ Casey at me. I think that’s now stock on the newer ones. Not purple, of course, but

⏹️ ▶️ Casey the new ones I think do have angel eyes style. I might be wrong about that. So double

⏹️ ▶️ Casey check my work on that. But I think that might be stock now.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I love that the Jeep Wrangler, if you just look at not only how they can be configured

⏹️ ▶️ Marco stock, but just look at what people do to them after the fact. It’s just a wonderful

⏹️ ▶️ Marco tour of bad decisions and bad designs and

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, Casey tackiness and horribleness. Oh, stop. It’s not that bad. It’s

⏹️ ▶️ Casey so bad. It’s just a different purpose. The purpose isn’t to be luxurious and fancy. The purpose is to break s***. Hopefully

⏹️ ▶️ Casey not itself, but whatever.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, Marco Well, unfortunately, that doesn’t happen.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, Casey Unfortunately,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco it breaks itself quite often.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey It occurred to me, I think it was earlier today, that

⏹️ ▶️ Casey I don’t want the Accord because you can’t get any of the nice fancy bits with it, with the

⏹️ ▶️ Casey one I would get. I may or may not want the Wrangler because it has obviously, as much

⏹️ ▶️ Casey as I’m trying to defend it, a whole world of its own problems. I don’t want to go far because I want

⏹️ ▶️ Casey a sunroof. I really friggin’ love sunroofs. You can think I’m weird, you can

⏹️ ▶️ Casey think I’m crazy, I like a sunroof. It makes me happy.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco with you on that. Sunroofs are awesome.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Right. And the Golf R, you can’t get with a sunroof. So what do I get? I’m out of options. I either go BMW

⏹️ ▶️ Casey and hate myself slash maybe get a divorce, or I get like a GTI,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey which is wrong wheel drive and not as fast, and then I’ll hate myself for not having the Golf

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, Marco R. No, no, no.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey What do you do? What do you do? That’s a rhetorical

⏹️ ▶️ Marco question. Keep fixing your car until something better comes along.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey That’s probably the answer, but at that point I’m

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, John going to

⏹️ ▶️ John run out of- That’s my Mac Pro technique.

⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey Yeah,

⏹️ ▶️ John it’s

⏹️ ▶️ Casey true. Ten

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, John years later. That’s

⏹️ ▶️ Casey a very, very good point. Oh man, that’s

⏹️ ▶️ Marco funny. Well, or alternately, keep fixing your car until you are like consulting millionaire and you can

⏹️ ▶️ Marco buy Julia.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey That’s the answer. Actually, that doesn’t have sunroof either.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, John The quadrature doesn’t

⏹️ ▶️ Casey anyway. I know. I mean, in

⏹️ ▶️ John a week

⏹️ ▶️ Casey it

⏹️ ▶️ John didn’t bother me. Sunroof stink. I’m anti-sunroof. Well, because you’re tall and you hate things. It’s all right. There’s nothing

⏹️ ▶️ John worse than having your hair touch the headliner.

⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey That

⏹️ ▶️ Casey is the best summary of your perspective on sunroofs, is you’re tall

⏹️ ▶️ Casey and you hate

⏹️ ▶️ John things. It’s true. I’m going to say Marco hasn’t for various reasons,

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco but

⏹️ ▶️ John Casey, have you ever had your hair touch the headliner in a car?

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Oh, it’s infuriating, but I have a couple of friends. I guess this one in particular that I’m thinking of

⏹️ ▶️ Casey that is about the same height as you. So I am like six foot, give or take an inch, depending

⏹️ ▶️ Casey on the day. And you’re what, six two? Is that right?

⏹️ ▶️ John Yeah, but I got more neck.

⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey More of my

⏹️ ▶️ John height is above the beltline. Oh

⏹️ ▶️ Casey man, John, I love you. But anyway, the point I’m driving at is, is that he hates

⏹️ ▶️ Casey sunroofs because sunroofs, sunroofs, whatever, because he’s constantly complaining and moaning about

⏹️ ▶️ Casey his head hitting the, uh, the headliner because apparently it’s worse when you have a sunroof. I don’t really understand that

⏹️ ▶️ John since there’s… Yeah, it intrudes into the interior space. is why I never buy cars with sunroofs because it makes it makes

⏹️ ▶️ John most cars fit me with no sunroof as soon as you put the sunroof in head it’s the headliner almost always no matter how

⏹️ ▶️ John low you can make the seat go it’s true even true in Hondas

⏹️ ▶️ Marco yeah because like they don’t make the car like the sunroof is thicker and they don’t make the car taller they just make it intrude into the

⏹️ ▶️ Marco interior

⏹️ ▶️ John space and they don’t make that they don’t make the seats go down lower either like they could do that they could say okay on the sunroof

⏹️ ▶️ John models the seat goes down an extra two inches but they don’t yeah the problems

⏹️ ▶️ Marco of

⏹️ ▶️ John tall people

⏹️ ▶️ Casey yeah when I I thought I had the poofier hair of the two of us, but you know, whatever.

⏹️ ▶️ John I used to have the poofy hair in my youth.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco See, and this is only a problem if you are tall and have tall hair.

⏹️ ▶️ John No, you don’t need to have tall hair. If your physical skull hits the headliner, which can happen depending

⏹️ ▶️ John on the car, it doesn’t matter what your hairstyle is, but it’s almost worse when your skull doesn’t hit it, but your

⏹️ ▶️ John hair just barely hits it because it gets all staticky and it pulls. It’s the worst. It’s the worst.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah, I really feel bad for you guys. That sounds

⏹️ ▶️ John awful. You should. I feel bad for your head sunburn, and you should feel bad for my

⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey tickly hair headliner thing.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Savage. Wow, this is getting aggressive. All right, let’s tone

⏹️ ▶️ Marco it down. I do always have to wear a hat in the summertime. It’s funny, I actually can’t use my sunroof in the

⏹️ ▶️ Marco summertime usually because I have to wear a hat. And then when I do, it blows off

⏹️ ▶️ Marco if it’s windy. So usually I get most of my sunroofing done in the

⏹️ ▶️ Marco off season, in the fall, winter, and spring, when I can have it hat free and hopefully

⏹️ ▶️ Marco not get a sunburn on my head in January. That’s why Casey wants a

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Wrangler. No roof. Right. I’m saying. Although it’ll totally f*** up my hair every

⏹️ ▶️ Casey time. And so then I have a whole new world of problems.

⏹️ ▶️ John You’re too vain for a Wrangler. Never

⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey mind.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey I know. I’m saying. And by the way, Tim, underscore, underscore, underscore, I have

⏹️ ▶️ Casey never driven a GTI and everyone I know who has ever had, that’s the

⏹️ ▶️ Casey key phrase here, had a GTI always says that I’m crazy to want the Golf R or the GTIs

⏹️ ▶️ Casey better. But I do know that I f***ing hate front-wheel drive with

⏹️ ▶️ Casey all of my being. And so that is one major reason why I suspect I would not like a GTI.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey I should try it, and I probably will try it if the time ever comes, but I hate front-wheel

⏹️ ▶️ Casey drive. And I’m swearing like a sailor because I’m assuming none of this is making the

⏹️ ▶️ John show. You used to hate automatics too, and then you got the Giulia.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Touche, it’s

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, John a

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, Marco fair point. I mean, honestly,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco you’re really getting yourself into a BMW. I know. But

⏹️ ▶️ Marco look, it’s not a big deal. Just know going into it. In the same way,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco when you buy an Apple product, we all love Apple products, but we

⏹️ ▶️ Marco also know that okay, in two years, they’re going to release

⏹️ ▶️ Marco something that makes this look ancient. And if it’s an iOS product in two

⏹️ ▶️ Marco years, it’s going to be a lot slower than when I bought it because the new OS will be slower

⏹️ ▶️ Marco on this hardware. You just kind of know that this is going to

⏹️ ▶️ Marco degrade in my satisfaction or in actual usage in certain ways over time.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco You know that going into it, and so you plan for that. You do what you can

⏹️ ▶️ Marco to complain about it on podcast, but for the most part, you’re kind of stuck with it. And so you deal with it

⏹️ ▶️ Marco because it’s better than buying windows. Right. And so like in this case, like if

⏹️ ▶️ Marco if the if all the attributes of a car that you actually

⏹️ ▶️ Marco like a lot seem to really pretty much only be available on BMWs,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco it’s not that ridiculous for you to buy another BMW, even though your current one has given you lots of service trouble.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Just no going into it. Make the decision accordingly that like this is going to cost money

⏹️ ▶️ Marco and repairs if I have to repair it. So you can then either, you know, you can make different decisions about things like,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco you know, how much do you spend on it in the first place? Maybe you like to save a budget for repairs later, or do

⏹️ ▶️ Marco you lease something or finance something under warranty and then get rid of it or sell it when it’s

⏹️ ▶️ Marco out of warranty? Like, you know, you can make different decisions. It doesn’t mean you need to

⏹️ ▶️ Marco get something that is severely lacking in areas you care about just to

⏹️ ▶️ Marco spite this company that couldn’t give less of a damn about you.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey That’s fair. I don’t know. Part of the reason why the Volkswagen

⏹️ ▶️ Casey line or train of thought is appealing to me is because they’re now offering six-year warranties, as far as I’m aware,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey anyway. They’re offering six-year warranties on all their cars. I tend to own a car for between

⏹️ ▶️ Casey six and ten years. There is something appealing to me in having a car

⏹️ ▶️ Casey that is warrantied for that long. Granted, I could have gotten an extended warranty for my car. Don’t get those. Those

⏹️ ▶️ Casey are pins. No, those

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, Marco are ripoffs.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Right. And that’s the thing is that even if, you know, like a buddy of mine who has a 2011

⏹️ ▶️ Casey 335, he got an extended warranty for his and had some sort of

⏹️ ▶️ Casey actually similar problem to my valvetrain, although I guess it was just starting to go and then fixed itself or something. I forget

⏹️ ▶️ Casey the details. I know that sounds funny. Just go with it. So anyway, he asked the, you know, extended warranty

⏹️ ▶️ Casey people, hey, can I go ahead and get this repaired? And they were like, like, well, if the car is not actively exhibiting the problem, then no,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey despite the fact that the BMW tech was like, hey, we saw that this was a code that was thrown.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey So presumably it didn’t do that for funsies. Yeah. So it’s just it’s it’s insurance

⏹️ ▶️ Casey all over again, right? It’s just a frickin nightmare. But anyway, you’re you’re cheating

⏹️ ▶️ Casey and using my weakness to keep me on the microphone right now and talking about cars. But we should

⏹️ ▶️ Casey totally accidental. Mm hmm. What we should do is we should do some ask ATP and Clint asks, So do

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, Marco you think you might BMW do you think it would be M3, M2, or M235i?

⏹️ ▶️ Casey None of the above because I can’t afford it. Because you’re making me quit my job.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco The 235 line is really not that ridiculous.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey I can’t put any kids in it then.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco That’s

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, Casey true. By the way-

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Why am I letting myself get into this? Stop, stop. We need to ask ATF.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, Casey Have you given any more thought

⏹️ ▶️ Marco to quitting your

⏹️ ▶️ Casey job? No. I’ve given an unreasonable amount

⏹️ ▶️ Casey of thought to that. Stop. Why

⏹️ ▶️ Marco am I allowing this? How many offers have you gotten? Just ballpark.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey I have gotten probably, I would say, less than 10.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, Marco Listeners, you know what to do.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Keep going.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, Casey Keep going.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey The problem is, to be honest, I’ve barely explored those because I’ve been so swamped with pre-baby insanity

⏹️ ▶️ Casey that I probably seem like the most reluctant independent worker ever because I have a couple

⏹️ ▶️ Casey emails that I need to reply to. I just haven’t had the time yet. that. But anyway, but

⏹️ ▶️ Casey we’ll see what happens with that. But we should talk about Ask ATP where Clint asks,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, Marco So ask him the geek points out in the chat room. Why

⏹️ ▶️ Marco do you have to put kids in your tiny car? You have an XC90. Like you could probably you could get

⏹️ ▶️ Marco a car that could fit in the XC90. That is true. However, Like, like the M235

⏹️ ▶️ Marco is a pretty small car, like and a pretty good one by other reviews, right? Haven’t you driven one?

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Yes, I did drive a several-year-old one now. It was like three or four years old. Well, if

⏹️ ▶️ Casey it was still around today, the guy who owned it has since unloaded it for basically my car, actually. But

⏹️ ▶️ Casey at the time, it was maybe two years old and it was magnificent. But among other things— Bingo. Used

⏹️ ▶️ Casey M235. That’s a good answer. But the problem with that is,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey A, I’d want the M2. B, those are impossible to find and slightly unaffordable. And C

⏹️ ▶️ Casey or 3, I don’t remember which one I was going for. I do a preschool run with Declan and I would like to be able

⏹️ ▶️ Casey to take both kids in the car and not leave Aaron stranded because although Aaron

⏹️ ▶️ Casey is capable of driving a stick, Aaron doesn’t think Aaron’s capable of driving a stick, which means Aaron can’t drive a stick.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey So it’s a bad situation. But can we please do Ask ATP? I

⏹️ ▶️ Casey need to start ignoring the car talk because

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, Marco you know it’s my

⏹️ ▶️ Marco weakness. Is the M2 available with a DCT?

⏹️ ▶️ Casey So Clint

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, Marco asks, Let me see, because really a DCT is so close to a stick. DCT is so

⏹️ ▶️ Casey close to a stick. The Mac Pro. John, would you tell me if you don’t mind, do you think Apple

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, Marco will delay the Mac Pro release?

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Car driver tested BMW M2 DCT, so obviously it exists. Let’s see, that looks pretty nice. And Aaron could drive a DCT.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco We can do car stuff

⏹️ ▶️ John after AskATP, Margo. Don’t worry, we can

⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey stream along later. We just gotta get through this.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Just work with me,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, Marco people, work with me. All right,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey fine. So good luck editing this one.

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⏹️ ▶️ Casey So Clint asks, do you think Apple will delay the Mac Pro release until a new CPU

⏹️ ▶️ Casey architecture has been designed? I personally don’t think that’ll be the case

⏹️ ▶️ Casey unless Intel says, hey, it’s already designed and it’s eminent and we’ll have it out in a month,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey which will never happen so no I don’t think so. Marco what do you

⏹️ ▶️ Marco think? Oh man Sandmageet just found a used listing for a white M2. This is your car.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John This is

⏹️ ▶️ John perfect.

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco Concentrate

⏹️ ▶️ John Marco. It’s a Mac Pro question you should be excited about this one.

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco I’ll answer it because Marco’s not into it. The reason

⏹️ ▶️ John Apple better not wait because I think it’s actually going to be longer than people think before there

⏹️ ▶️ John is a literal new CPU architecture that works around this issue because this issue is deeply embedded into

⏹️ ▶️ John the way CPUs have been designed for many many years. And unless Intel started on this project

⏹️ ▶️ John four years ago, a new CPU that solves this problem is not coming anytime

⏹️ ▶️ John soon. But more importantly, like, I don’t want Apple to

⏹️ ▶️ John delay anything like they’re going to continue to sell iMac pros and all the other computers with these CPUs that are vulnerable

⏹️ ▶️ John to this with OS level workarounds. And that’s what they’re going to do with the Mac purchase. So no, no delay

⏹️ ▶️ John for no delay

⏹️ ▶️ Marco for this anyway. You know last thing you want is to give Apple a reason to delay the Mac Pro. Please don’t give

⏹️ ▶️ Marco them reasons

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Even I would agree with

⏹️ ▶️ John that and this doesn’t a thread on the on the specter meltdown stuff like the Exactly how long

⏹️ ▶️ John the timelines are for a new architecture if you start today? Oh, we haven’t been doing anything

⏹️ ▶️ John to mitigate this as yet. You know this this unknown You know, we didn’t know about specter meltdown

⏹️ ▶️ John until you know a couple weeks ago or whatever or whatever. Let’s start today

⏹️ ▶️ John on a new architecture. Let’s take whatever project we’ve been working on and modify it to account for this.

⏹️ ▶️ John The timelines are long. It’s not like, well, give us a couple months and we’ll have a new CPU out. If you look at how long it

⏹️ ▶️ John takes to go from idea to actual design to

⏹️ ▶️ John laying out, I don’t know if they still call it taping out, to fabbing and verifying,

⏹️ ▶️ John those timelines are long. don’t hold your breath for brand new CPU architectures

⏹️ ▶️ John that completely eliminate this category of error. There could be smaller fixes coming to

⏹️ ▶️ John minor revisions of existing chips that help either help mitigate it or help make it

⏹️ ▶️ John so that the OS level workarounds are not don’t have as big of a performance hit that could happen in the

⏹️ ▶️ John near term if they scramble. But it’s such a big change to actually make this category

⏹️ ▶️ John of bug not exist and also maintain performance that I think is going to be

⏹️ ▶️ Marco years. Also, keep in mind that the Mac Pro and iMac Pro use

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Xeon chips. Xeons are the last chips in Intel’s lineup to get new microarchitectures.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco So whenever they fix it in their consumer chips, you’re not going to see it in any kind of Xeon workstation

⏹️ ▶️ Marco for another year and a half to three years after that.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Yeah, I even I don’t want this to be delayed and

⏹️ ▶️ Casey God, I just need to I just need to get through the Mac pro discussion. And if I can get through the forthcoming Mac pro discussion,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey like in future episodes, whenever it’s announced, then I think the show may be able to last forever because

⏹️ ▶️ Casey if I can make it through that, I’ll be good.

#askatp: Mac root account?

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Good. Bryson asks, John, I heard you say

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, Marco that High Sierra- We got a

⏹️ ▶️ Marco great message from a friend.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, Casey That’s why I was distracted for a

⏹️ ▶️ Marco half second. Stop it. Messaging the three of us saying, can someone explain

⏹️ ▶️ Marco RXSwift? It’s important. I know this is cold by tomorrow morning. Thanks.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Casey, I think you know something about RXSwift. Can you help

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, Casey our friend out after the show? No,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco stop

⏹️ ▶️ Casey it. Maybe after the show. Why are you using all my weaknesses against me? Also, today

⏹️ ▶️ Casey I learned I have like 17 different flavors of kryptonite.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, Marco Anyway… So

⏹️ ▶️ Casey what

⏹️ ▶️ Marco is RxSwift? Is that Prescription Swift? What

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, Casey is that? What does that

⏹️ ▶️ Casey mean? Yes, it’s Prescription Swift. Oh, God, I hate all of you, including our nameless friend.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, John Bryson asks,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey John, I heard you say about the HighCR root bug that you keep your root account enabled anyway,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey so you already had a strong password. For what reason do you need the root account? Why not just use sudo?

⏹️ ▶️ Casey What does root do that sudo can’t? I’m actually curious to hear this as well because I

⏹️ ▶️ Casey don’t have a root account with a password and I just use sudo for everything that I would need. And I

⏹️ ▶️ Casey do dive into the command line daily but I strongly suspect I am not

⏹️ ▶️ Casey doing near as much in the command line as you are, John. So can you address this? Like

⏹️ ▶️ Casey what’s the purpose for the root account having a password or is it just you needing a tinfoil hat?

⏹️ ▶️ John Well, it’s the opposite actually. What you’re doing is the better way to do things. Do everything as the user, only do sudo

⏹️ ▶️ John when you need to do something with heightened privileges. But the

⏹️ ▶️ John worst habit that I do because I’m old is just hang out as root all the time.

⏹️ ▶️ John Uh, you know, cause I, I don’t use package managers. I compile and install things, uh, you

⏹️ ▶️ John know, myself. And it’s just convenient to just always be root and have all

⏹️ ▶️ John of my source files owned by root and build everything as root. And that’s incredibly dangerous to do that. You should not do

⏹️ ▶️ John this. I did not recommend this practice, but it is my habit. And because it’s my habit and it’s my computer,

⏹️ ▶️ John I do it. And many years of experience, including accidentally

⏹️ ▶️ John destroying a couple of OSs in my youth has led me to be pretty careful and pretty safe,

⏹️ ▶️ John but still it’s not a good idea. You should do everything as your user and just elevate privileges

⏹️ ▶️ John briefly only when you need it.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Marco, any thoughts? Nope. About this, about this specifically, for the love of

⏹️ ▶️ Marco God. You know, I’m thinking of traveling to Manhattan. I wanted to know if you had any pizza recommendations.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey There’s so many

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, John crypto. He only has one recommendation. It’ll be quick.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey John Zableka.

#askatp: Sonos with Alexa?

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Moving on, Jim Andway asks, Marco, did you ever buy a Sonos

⏹️ ▶️ Casey One with Alexa? And if so, do you like it?

⏹️ ▶️ Marco No, actually I pre-ordered it, and then before it came out, when the reviews started coming out, I canceled the pre-order because

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I realized I didn’t care that much. I have some Sonos stuff, but

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I wouldn’t say I’m super in the Sonos ecosystem. I just, I find their

⏹️ ▶️ Marco app fairly clunky for the things I want to do with my music. So I almost never

⏹️ ▶️ Marco want to actually use it for anything. So in the

⏹️ ▶️ Marco other side, I love the Amazon Echo and use it constantly. And

⏹️ ▶️ Marco it’s very, very nice. And one of the things that the Sonos One, I think was worse

⏹️ ▶️ Marco about is, you know, like every Echo that comes out since the original Tower

⏹️ ▶️ Marco and Dot, it doesn’t have the hardware volume dial on the top.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco And some of the other reviews said that they thought the microphones might be a little bit worse, or at least that they were having

⏹️ ▶️ Marco some trouble with them. And so I just decided, you know, I don’t need this, so just cancel it.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco And I’m very happy with my first-generation Amazon Echo with

⏹️ ▶️ Marco the big hardware volume knob and the nice microphones, and it’s totally fine. And

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I don’t really—I haven’t bought any of the new Echos yet either because, you know, same reason, basically. I’m very happy with the

⏹️ ▶️ Marco old one, and we don’t really have any needs for any additional ones at this time.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey All right, so how do we want to approach this? Do you want to do arm and keep me here for 17 hours?

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, John Yes,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey do you want to do?

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, John No,

⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey no,

⏹️ ▶️ John that’s it. That’s it time for the after

⏹️ ▶️ Casey show Well, I thought we were doing a longer after show. What are we talking about cars?

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, John Cuz that is don’t worry. We got plenty of stuff

⏹️ ▶️ John to

⏹️ ▶️ Casey show What

⏹️ ▶️ Marco do

⏹️ ▶️ Casey we

⏹️ ▶️ Marco have for you after the show? Thanks to our sponsors this week, Betterment, Linode, and Fracture. And we will see you

⏹️ ▶️ Marco next week!

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⏹️ ▶️ John Now the show is over, they didn’t even mean to begin, cause

⏹️ ▶️ John it was

⏹️ ▶️ Casey accidental,

⏹️ ▶️ John oh it was accidental. John didn’t do any research, Marco

⏹️ ▶️ John and Casey wouldn’t let him, cause it was accidental,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey oh it was accidental. And

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Post-show diversion marathon

⏹️ ▶️ John My first question for Casey is, what system have you established

⏹️ ▶️ John for this podcasting recording tonight to be notified that it’s time to stop podcasting?

⏹️ ▶️ Casey There are several mechanisms. There is iMessage, there is Aaron

⏹️ ▶️ Casey coming in the room. Actually, I guess that’s really it. It’s basically either iMessage or Aaron storms in here and says, it’s time.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Or screaming. I was going to say that, but we are

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, John basically

⏹️ ▶️ Casey on opposite corners of the house. So yes, would work, but it would need to be significant

⏹️ ▶️ Casey enough that it would wake up me and well, not that I’m asleep. You know what I mean? Like it would, it would have to get through

⏹️ ▶️ Casey me and it would wake up Declan. And Aaron has a,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey I don’t want to use the word heroic, but I can’t think of a better adjective, just a heroic threshold for pain.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Um, and so because of that, I wouldn’t be surprised

⏹️ ▶️ Casey if she could go through something that would would render me unconscious and she just would,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey you know, have like a little, eh, that hurt, you know, or something like that. So

⏹️ ▶️ Casey anyway, I would expect that she would either iMessage me or she would just come storming in and say, this

⏹️ ▶️ John is it. I was worried that she’s like having interactions now and she can’t bring herself to even do a text message.

⏹️ ▶️ John She’s just down, you know, on the other side of the house bearing down, wishing you would know that it’s time to stop podcasting

⏹️ ▶️ John and here you are continuing to

⏹️ ▶️ Casey podcast. That certainly could be, but as of about half an hour ago,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey I was being kept abreast of the situation, and I sincerely doubt that’s the

⏹️ ▶️ John case. It’s time to turn the baby monitor on mom so you can be

⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey aware

⏹️ ▶️ Casey of what’s going on. Actually, come to think of it, we did get an entire second baby monitor for Sprigg, which

⏹️ ▶️ Casey we planned – well, actually, what we ended up doing was just pairing the second – the

⏹️ ▶️ Casey camera from the other baby monitor to our existing baby monitor, but it was like 20 bucks more to

⏹️ ▶️ Casey get the whole monitor rather than to just get an extra camera. Well, you know what I mean? Or something like that. It was silly not

⏹️ ▶️ Casey to just get a whole redundant setup. So anyways, I bring all this up to say I could hypothetically

⏹️ ▶️ Casey put that baby monitor camera back on air and take the redundant monitor in here.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey But no, as far as I know, she’s asleep, which means if I sent her a text message right now, she’d probably be

⏹️ ▶️ Casey like, yep, it’s coming sooner rather than later. But we’ll

⏹️ ▶️ John see.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey You think she’s asleep right now? far as I know she was trying to.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I mean that’s wise. Honestly you should be sleeping right now if you’re

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, Casey expecting this to

⏹️ ▶️ Marco happen tonight or tomorrow.

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco I

⏹️ ▶️ John didn’t get to sleep. Like with my first kid, my wife’s water broke at midnight.

⏹️ ▶️ John We were up, we were about to go to bed, it broke at midnight and the doctor was like you should just go to sleep and come to the hotel,

⏹️ ▶️ John come to the hospital in the morning. I don’t think it’s possible

⏹️ ▶️ John when you’re having, it may certainly be your first kid and your wife’s water is broken. Oh, we’re just gonna get some sleep

⏹️ ▶️ John now. Yeah, sure. Everyone will just nod right off. Nothing will be occupying our minds that

⏹️ ▶️ John keeps us from sleeping. So we just sat there in the bed, not sleeping for

⏹️ ▶️ John five hours, then went to the hospital.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey I can’t imagine. Well, the thing is, especially for the women,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey like, granted, I haven’t done this in a little over three years, but pretty much shortly after they

⏹️ ▶️ Casey arrived at the hospital and get an IV put in and all that, they’re told or at least in our experience,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Aaron was told, you can’t eat anything anymore. Because of that,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey everything becomes uncomfortable. Not that it wasn’t already uncomfortable, but everything becomes more uncomfortable for the woman

⏹️ ▶️ Casey once you arrive at the hospital. For a lot of reasons, most doctors will say,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey for the best that you can or to the best that you can, try to avoid coming into the hospital until

⏹️ ▶️ Casey it’s really getting on go time. On the way into the hospital, go gorge yourself on some

⏹️ ▶️ Casey sort of fast food because especially the mom is not going to be eating for a long time.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey If I were to wager a guess, unless something is going on in there that I’m not aware of, I think tomorrow

⏹️ ▶️ Casey morning we’re probably going to wake up, find somebody to, well, I mean we have plenty of options, but find somebody to take care of Declan

⏹️ ▶️ Casey and probably call

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, John it in. Oh yeah,

⏹️ ▶️ John that reminds me, other than the system of notification, Declan’s still hanging out in your house snoozing away right now

⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey too.

⏹️ ▶️ John What’s the handoff plan there?

⏹️ ▶️ Casey So we have neighbors that live very close by that, you know,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey like walkably close by that could come over. Aaron’s youngest sister

⏹️ ▶️ Casey is a short drive away and Aaron’s mom is about 20 minutes

⏹️ ▶️ Casey away. And so there’s, you know, a multi-tiered approach that we can go to

⏹️ ▶️ Casey if if we need to leave in the middle of the night.

⏹️ ▶️ John I’m getting flashback anxiety from the fact that you don’t have someone in your house right now

⏹️ ▶️ John and standby Declan duty. The idea that you’re going to have enough time for someone to show up at

⏹️ ▶️ John your house so that you’ll be able to divert, right? Because it was my situation was we had we had a friend all

⏹️ ▶️ John lined up to all hours the night. No worries. Like you know it’s 3am in the time. Just give us a call.

⏹️ ▶️ John We’ll be there. And my friend was good to his word. He you know

⏹️ ▶️ John was there. But by the time he showed up the baby was out. So

⏹️ ▶️ John there’s that.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Yeah. I that honest to God, your birth story, your and Tina’s

⏹️ ▶️ Casey birth story, that has weighed on me heavily

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, Marco for the last

⏹️ ▶️ Casey month or two. And I’m not saying that to be funny. Like I really, really has. Because so often Aaron will be

⏹️ ▶️ Casey like, not just her, I’ll be like, you know, oh, well, you know, your mom will be here in like 20

⏹️ ▶️ Casey minutes. I’m sure that’ll be fine. And then one of us will

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, John say to the other,

⏹️ ▶️ John It should be, it totally should be. I mean, you know, how long was Declan, you have plenty of time.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Exactly. And Declan was a very long birth, and so it should be fine. But then I think about

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, Marco poor

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Tina, who says, hey, why don’t you go get the neighbor? Because I think it’s time. And then next thing you know, oh, there’s

⏹️ ▶️ Casey your youngest in the bedroom, in

⏹️ ▶️ John your hands. There was a lot of screaming and blood between those two phases, but yeah. Oh my God.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Yeah.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, John Yeah.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey So I kid you not, I’ll say it again, like your birth story,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey your mutual birth story for when your daughter was born has weighed heavily on me, especially

⏹️ ▶️ Casey in the last month. But for Declan, it was, I think, Monday

⏹️ ▶️ Casey morning. It doesn’t really matter, but it was one morning, I think it was a Monday morning, that Erin woke up and was like, wow, I’m having a lot of

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Braxton Hicks, and then went about her day. Then it was the middle of the night Tuesday that

⏹️ ▶️ Casey it was becoming obvious that, no, this was it. And we went into the hospital, I want to say it was Tuesday morning,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey and by the time—well, We went to the OB to see if this was it, and the OB

⏹️ ▶️ Casey took literally—didn’t even make her second leg in the doorway to look at Erin.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey She only had one foot in the examination room and turned around and shouted

⏹️ ▶️ Casey down the hall, �Hey, can you call L&D? We have one coming.� That was

⏹️ ▶️ Casey a Tuesday morning, and Declan was born at like 5, 36 o’clock on Wednesday morning

⏹️ ▶️ Casey or something like that. Clearly not all of this was—well, it’s easy for a dude to say this, right? But

⏹️ ▶️ Casey not all of this was like the hyper intense labor, but it was labor for like two full days.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey And so it stands to reason, he says as he knocks on his glass desk because there’s no wood nearby,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey that Sprague will not make a your youngest styled appearance.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey But we’ll see about that.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Is it possible, given Aaron’s stated tolerance for pain, that you already have a second kid?

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, Casey Right. Sorry, I made a mess of it. I mean,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco we were talking about the iMac Pro for a long time.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey That is true. And then cars even longer. It is certainly possible. I did send her a text message about 10

⏹️ ▶️ Casey or 15 minutes ago, and she has not responded, which means either she is trying to sleep, is asleep, or

⏹️ ▶️ Casey there’s a kid in the other room and I just don’t know it. I mean, you are on

⏹️ ▶️ Marco the other side of the house. I mean,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, Casey anything is possible. Do you want me to go check?

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Is that what you’re trying to tell me? But yeah, it’s funny because Aaron and I,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey I don’t know how much this comes across on the show. You two know this, but for your average listener, I don’t know if

⏹️ ▶️ Casey it’s obvious, but Aaron and I are both like super duper type A, super anal retentive,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey love to have every T crossed, every I dotted, every minute planned.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey And it’s funny because with this one, there’s not a lot of planning you can do for a kid unless

⏹️ ▶️ Casey you have a scheduled induction, which we do have for a few days from now, but it’s certainly not

⏹️ ▶️ Casey looking like we’re gonna make it.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, Marco But anyway, but-

⏹️ ▶️ Marco The official due date was yesterday, right? No, it’s today.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Yeah, so I mean, it’s

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, Marco on schedule. It could be right on time.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Yeah, exactly. But I bring up us being in or attentive because

⏹️ ▶️ Casey when it comes to Declan, we’re basically like as soon as we have done that initial handoff that you were asking

⏹️ ▶️ Casey about, John, as soon as that happens, whatever, just somebody amongst my family,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Aaron’s family, just figure it out amongst yourselves and make sure he’s still alive in a day and a half

⏹️ ▶️ Casey or whenever it is we can get him in the hospital so he can meet his little brother or little sister. So it’s been funny for

⏹️ ▶️ Casey us to just have to embrace being that like, I don’t know,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey free wheeling if you will, and just be like, hey, you know what? He’s three years old. He’s

⏹️ ▶️ Casey as reasonably self-sufficient in the sense that he’s not going to like, you know, live in a poopy

⏹️ ▶️ Casey diaper for 18 days because he’s not using diapers, you know, except at night. He’s able to find

⏹️ ▶️ Casey like in a desperation scenario for some reason, I’m sure he could scrounge up a little bit of like crackers or something, not to

⏹️ ▶️ Casey say we’re going to leave him home alone. I’m just saying like

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, John in the world ending scenario.

⏹️ ▶️ John You hear that Declan, the new baby has already stolen your parents love.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Yeah, just like that, just

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, John like that.

⏹️ ▶️ John There’s

⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey none

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, Marco left for you, sorry.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Like you realize in these scenarios, like you’re going to jail.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, Marco Oh yeah, yeah, exactly. We would never do that. I’m just saying,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey you know, if for some reason there was some sort of miscommunication and I don’t know why my parents, this is

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, John a terrible hypothetical. Do you

⏹️ ▶️ John have a thing planned where like, where the new baby is gonna give Declan a present?

⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey We did that for a

⏹️ ▶️ Casey second. We’ve waffled back and forth on that and we don’t have a present, So I guess the answer’s no.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey I don’t really have a good answer on it. I see both sides of that story. And because we’re so fresh

⏹️ ▶️ Casey off of Christmas and Hanukkah, that there’s nothing that he’s told us he’s really seeking

⏹️ ▶️ Casey at the moment. You know what I mean? And I know that doesn’t mean we can’t get him something

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, John anyway. He

⏹️ ▶️ John doesn’t know what he wants yet, but what he actually wants is not another sibling.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Well, right now, he’s very enthusiastic about his other sibling.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, John But I know.

⏹️ ▶️ John Oh, yeah. They’re great when they’re inside

⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey mommy.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Exactly. Yeah, this is all going to change in just a

⏹️ ▶️ John minute. You never know. They might get along. But we did the gift. I don’t know this is probably my wife’s idea but I can

⏹️ ▶️ John tell you it did not help and

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco with

⏹️ ▶️ John my particular two children it did not

⏹️ ▶️ Marco help. Maybe maybe a strategy is you can give him a gift that is worse than a new sibling

⏹️ ▶️ Marco in some

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John way

⏹️ ▶️ Marco that seems like like man like when I was a kid I remember like one Christmas I begged and begged and begged

⏹️ ▶️ Marco only having seen it on commercials for the remote-control typhoon hovercraft

⏹️ ▶️ Marco and boy was that terrible. Oh

⏹️ ▶️ Casey yeah I had one of those. Why you don’t let your kids watch commercials? Oh, it was great, except it was terrible.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco You know, there’s a reason why you don’t see a lot of hovercrafts and noose in the world. And one of the reasons is

⏹️ ▶️ Marco you can’t really steer them very well. Turns out friction is really nice,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco and they don’t really have a lot of that. And so, yeah. And also, they’re incredibly

⏹️ ▶️ Marco loud. Like, at least the little remote control one. It’s like, you know, two little, like, hair dryers

⏹️ ▶️ Marco on the back of this thing for the five minutes or so that the battery lasts before it

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, Casey dies. I was just about to say, because

⏹️ ▶️ Casey you’re powering three different motors off of this mid-90s, maybe even early

⏹️ ▶️ Casey 90s battery

⏹️ ▶️ Marco tech. Yeah, it was a big NiCad battery pack, the size of eight double A’s,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco one of those big yellow rectangles.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Oh man, it was truly terrible. It was no fun at all. Oh, who is

⏹️ ▶️ Casey this? Who is this in the chat? No, Chloe de Guzman, I’m sorry if I pronounced that wrong,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey just put the link in the chat, and this is what I had. I think mine was green, but this is what I had. And

⏹️ ▶️ Casey oh my God, it was amazing for the two and a half minutes it was working. But it’s funny because in this

⏹️ ▶️ Casey commercial you see it running across water, which hypothetically it should be able to do. Oh no, you can’t do that.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey But that’s the thing, because if you take your finger off the throttle for even the slightest

⏹️ ▶️ Casey moment, then the, I don’t remember the term for it, but the bag under it, like the buoyancy

⏹️ ▶️ Casey bag. The

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, Marco skirt.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Will deflate. Yes, the skirt, thank you. bag, the skirt, the whatever, will

⏹️ ▶️ Casey instantly deflate and then you sink your hovercraft and that’s that. So you have to like really really

⏹️ ▶️ Casey commit if you’re gonna go across water. And I think possibly the most stressful moment of my childhood

⏹️ ▶️ Casey was when I did put it in a pool for like five seconds and drive it, you know, and I think I was standing

⏹️ ▶️ Casey within like arm’s reach of it so if it started to sink I could grab it because I loved this thing even though

⏹️ ▶️ Casey it was a colossal piece of garbage.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Like I would just try to play with it indoors and you just can’t like you’re crashing into walls constantly like there’s

⏹️ ▶️ Marco nowhere you can go with it and then yeah like I remember like at at the lake I saw somebody have one

⏹️ ▶️ Marco and they broke it because they took it onto the water the back end of it sunk down for a

⏹️ ▶️ Marco split second and when they put the fans back on the the propeller of

⏹️ ▶️ Marco one of the rear like propulsion fans hit the surface of the water and just broke like

⏹️ ▶️ Marco it was just these things are not built well and yeah this was just not it was such a bad toy anyway

⏹️ ▶️ Marco so I’m saying if you get definitely one of these as his new awesome gift, it is so much worse

⏹️ ▶️ Marco than having a new baby that he might then see the baby as like the upgrade.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey You know, Marco, I gotta be honest with you. I think, you know, we’ve known each other something like 20 years and we’re pretty good, pretty

⏹️ ▶️ Casey darn good friends. And I’m gonna have to tell you, I’m a little disappointed in you because clearly

⏹️ ▶️ Casey the right answer for a gift for Declan is either a brand new M3 or a

⏹️ ▶️ Casey brand new Wrangler. That’s the only reasonable solution to this

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, Marco problem. Am

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I right? No, M2. car for your purposes. I mean, the only thing is that, yeah, you do

⏹️ ▶️ Marco lose the four-doorness of the M3. So in that way, I guess you probably should get an M3 because it’s the

⏹️ ▶️ Marco more continuation of what you already have. But as like an enthusiast’s car,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I really think the M2 is the way to go. Not to mention, it’s probably a much better value. Downside,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco of course, being as you mentioned earlier that there’s not that many of them and most of them are not used.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco And yeah, of course, two doors. But

⏹️ ▶️ John now that you’re on the automatic bandwagon and BMW

⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey is in a

⏹️ ▶️ John down period, you should consider something like DeMuro’s car, like an E63 AMG or

⏹️ ▶️ John the

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco modern one. These are

⏹️ ▶️ John fast, high quality, four-door cars with plenty of room that are very safe, reliable,

⏹️ ▶️ John not that cheap if you get an old one, or not that expensive if you get an old one. And

⏹️ ▶️ John you’ll be fine with the automatic. You don’t need

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco to shift.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco good Mercedeses? Aren’t you too

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John young for

⏹️ ▶️ John that? Yeah, I mean, like, in the current generation of cars, like I said, you know,

⏹️ ▶️ John BMW didn’t finish in any of the Car and Driver’s 10 best for like the

⏹️ ▶️ John first time in a very, very long time. And there are Mercedes in there. The Mercedes E, especially the AMG

⏹️ ▶️ John ones, are fast and fancy.

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco I mean, the Giulia

⏹️ ▶️ John is still a better car than them, but the Mercedes are probably more reliable, definitely more

⏹️ ▶️ John swanky, and we know Hokase needs to be babied in his old age.

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco But the

⏹️ ▶️ Marco problem is he’s not old enough like like okay like 15 years ago WRX would have been the right

⏹️ ▶️ Marco move 15 years from now Casey might be Mercedes, but right now Casey

⏹️ ▶️ John I got the wrong image of Mercedes This is not your father’s Mercedes plus as soon as that second baby arrives. It will age him instantly

⏹️ ▶️ John like 10 more years, so It’s a multiplier for it’s a multiplying for

⏹️ ▶️ Marco how old you feel He’s still gonna do five more years before they’re gonna let him into a Mercedes dealer.

⏹️ ▶️ John No you get the AMG ones. It’s fine

⏹️ ▶️ Casey No, actually, to speak about how old and entitled I am, who was I talking to just the other

⏹️ ▶️ Casey day? Shoot. Oh, it was my buddy who just got the brand new accord coincidentally.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey And he was saying that he had to bring his in. I think he was getting like an aftermarket but

⏹️ ▶️ Casey dealer installed. Oh, Erin is awake and she has not had the kid.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Real time follow up.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, John All right. Good.

⏹️ ▶️ John Baby still inside wife. Repeat, baby

⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey still

⏹️ ▶️ John inside

⏹️ ▶️ Casey wife. And it seems that things are just not regular.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey So whatever. Anyway. Are things ever regular? Fair point. The Accord

⏹️ ▶️ Casey guy took his car in for service to get like some aftermarket thing installed. I forget what it was. I think it was like

⏹️ ▶️ Casey a rear USB charger or whatever. I think there was like a Honda part that he could

⏹️ ▶️ Casey have installed so you can charge something via USB in the back. Anyway, he was talking about how he had to go to

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Enterprise to get a loaner. And I was just like, my face kind of imploded. It was like that.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Oh, like that. Oh God, you have to go to get a loaner to like, they don’t just give

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, John you

⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey one. Oh yeah,

⏹️ ▶️ John so this is the show how you can’t go back again to live like the little people.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Right, no I’m serious. Like and all, I’m saying this partially to be funny, but I mean I really

⏹️ ▶️ Casey did have that brief reaction of like, oh God, that’s right, you would have to like go somewhere to get

⏹️ ▶️ Casey a rental. And that just sounds fricking terrible. And like listen to how obnoxious and entitled

⏹️ ▶️ Casey I am. Like I’m not proud of this, I’m really not. I’m just saying, as soon as you cross that threshold into

⏹️ ▶️ Casey quote unquote luxury automobiles, you start to get used to this thing and it’s

⏹️ ▶️ Casey hard. Like this is why I can understand why all these like athletes and movie stars and whatnot

⏹️ ▶️ Casey are entitled because once you get exposed to that, it’s like, well, I don’t want to go back to

⏹️ ▶️ Casey having to worry about going down to one car while my car gets serviced. That seems barbaric.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey And then I, then the next thought that goes through my head is, wow, Casey, you’re an.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, Marco It’s like it’s really

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, John not a big deal. Fair point, fair point. I have no argument against

⏹️ ▶️ John that. The one tip though for people who are, for peons like me who have Hondas and go to Honda dealerships

⏹️ ▶️ John is depending on your dealership, you can find, my dealership, speaking of enterprise, has

⏹️ ▶️ John enterprise rental counter right in the dealership. And if you get any significant amount of service

⏹️ ▶️ John done, you get the rental for free. So essentially you get a loaner Honda for free as part of your

⏹️ ▶️ John service without having to go in anywhere. So it’s like the, I mean, I’m going to say low rent, but it’s the, it’s the equivalent

⏹️ ▶️ John version of, so you bring in your BMW, here’s a BMW to drive. So you bring in your Honda, here’s a Honda to drive.

⏹️ ▶️ John No charge if you’re the thing, whatever you’re having done is above some minimum amount of money. And

⏹️ ▶️ John if you’re going to a dealer, it probably is because dealers charge a million dollars for everything, even Honda dealers. But

⏹️ ▶️ John yeah, it’s a little bit different not having that be an amenity of the dealer, but having it be like,

⏹️ ▶️ John well, we have this, we have this relationship with enterprise and You know, I’ve never paid for an enterprise

⏹️ ▶️ John rental, but I have gotten free enterprise rentals many times. How I know how much I hate all of the

⏹️ ▶️ John the Honda Accords that I didn’t buy is all from essentially loaner cars when my car is getting serviced. The

⏹️ ▶️ John other way I do it, how the way the little people do it is I sit there and wait for my car to be done.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey I’ve done that from time to time and and yeah, so confession. My first thought

⏹️ ▶️ Casey was going to be to complain about my local BMW service like a waiting area because it just isn’t as

⏹️ ▶️ Casey cushy and nice as some other BMW dealers have been to. How far gone am I? Like how much of a friggin

⏹️ ▶️ Casey jerk am I that the first thought that jumps through my head is, yeah, but John, you don’t understand that the

⏹️ ▶️ Casey service area in this local BMW is just okay. Like it’s very

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, John nice. A service

⏹️ ▶️ John area. You mean a bunch of chairs shoved next to a

⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey water cooler? Right. That’s what I’m saying.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Like how obnoxious am I? Like I need to get a regular person’s

⏹️ ▶️ Casey car so I don’t lose myself forever. I need to buy like a pedestrian Civic.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Oh, God, I’m so

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, John terrible.

⏹️ ▶️ John Well, it’s different amounts of luxury because the number of valve trains I’ve ever had exploded any of my cars is

⏹️ ▶️ John zero. So I

⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey have that going for me.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey That’s true. Yeah, I mean, I don’t need a loaner if the thing is never getting serviced for more than an hour at

⏹️ ▶️ Casey a

⏹️ ▶️ John time. I’ve never had a repair that has cost us, you know, as much as my car was worth.

⏹️ ▶️ John Truth too soon. Oh, how much so that repair if you didn’t pay for it, right? Because it was like warranty

⏹️ ▶️ John or whatever. But if you had paid for it, it would have been like five grand

⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey or

⏹️ ▶️ Casey something. The the valve train issue. Yeah, yeah, it was like five or six grand of which I paid, I think five

⏹️ ▶️ Casey or 10% of it, what ended up happening was well, for all the things that were done during that visit, I think the total

⏹️ ▶️ Casey bill was like six grand of which I paid about

⏹️ ▶️ John 1000. So what was the value of your car at the time you had a $6,000 repair?

⏹️ ▶️ Casey twenty to thirty thousand i think and now it’s probably ten to twenty

⏹️ ▶️ John thousand and see you’re like a quarter quarter of the value of your car and repair

⏹️ ▶️ Casey yeah i mean it’s something like that and then remember it happened again about a year year and a half later

⏹️ ▶️ Casey but they covered that not literally under warranty i guess

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, John but

⏹️ ▶️ John it’s scheduled it’s coming up soon

⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey right your next one that warning light put it

⏹️ ▶️ Casey through why you do this

⏹️ ▶️ John uh i was i was thinking of you uh when i was

⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey reading

⏹️ ▶️ John oh this is scary I don’t remember where I was reading it. It might have been a paper magazine, it might have been the internet. It’s really hard to tell these

⏹️ ▶️ John days. But it was talking about BMW’s electric car programs and how

⏹️ ▶️ John battery technology is getting better and BMW engineering bragging that their

⏹️ ▶️ John service lifetime of their electric cars is exactly the same as it is for their gasoline

⏹️ ▶️ John cars. And all I could think was, that’s nothing to brag about given

⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey the apparent service lifetime of Gacy’s car.

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco It’s

⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey like, this battery will last

⏹️ ▶️ John you 15 years. Hmm. Hmm. They’re like 70% capacity

⏹️ ▶️ John after 15 years of use. It’s like well What what is the service lifetime of how old is your

⏹️ ▶️ John car now

⏹️ ▶️ Casey though? It just had its seventh birthday like it was delivered to the original owner in early December

⏹️ ▶️ Casey of 2010

⏹️ ▶️ John I feel like that’s not a that’s not a 15 year service lifetime.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey I mean it is like again I I’m very frustrated with my car, but

⏹️ ▶️ Casey really in the grand scheme of things like this was a pretty significant repair, a very significant repair.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey But in the grand scheme of things, like the car sitting here now, as far as I’m aware, I drove it

⏹️ ▶️ Casey earlier today. Uh, the car is operating very,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey very well. It has a few squeaks and a few rattles, but nothing too terribly egregious.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey It’s, it’s really running pretty darn well. The thing is I’ve had to pour way more money

⏹️ ▶️ Casey into it than I think I should have had to. And that’s the problem I have with it. This is in comparison to Erin’s

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Mazda, which I was happy to get rid of, but that thing we took delivery

⏹️ ▶️ Casey on her birthday in 2007. So that was August of 2007,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey and we got rid of it in July of 2017. And I think we

⏹️ ▶️ Casey might have done an alternator once, and I think we did a battery. And other than that, it was just

⏹️ ▶️ Casey like tires and brakes and normal wear items. And so in 10 years, we put,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey let’s get aggressive and let’s say we put like two grand of non-wear

⏹️ ▶️ Casey item worth of repair into that Mazda. In 10 years, and I did that in 10

⏹️ ▶️ Casey minutes when my valve train exploded for the first time. Do you know what I mean? So it’s

⏹️ ▶️ Casey hard because on the one side, I feel like, oh, this thing has been on the whole reasonably reliable

⏹️ ▶️ Casey if you discount all the times that it exploded for a week.

⏹️ ▶️ John You know as much as I am Slightly bothered by Doug DeMura videos one thing I have to admit that he has going

⏹️ ▶️ John for him as he picks Interesting cars to review not the new ones obviously because like whatever everyone’s doing fancy

⏹️ ▶️ John new cars or not even the fancy exotic ones But when he goes to older cars he tends to pick cars at the very least that

⏹️ ▶️ John have some meaning to me and the most recent one he did was the the the late 80s

⏹️ ▶️ John very early 90s Mercedes s-class

⏹️ ▶️ Casey I saw that that was a thing, but I haven’t I’m way behind on YouTube because I’m way behind on podcasts

⏹️ ▶️ John Yeah, my my friend’s dad had one of those that he bought used, you know, he didn’t buy it new He

⏹️ ▶️ John he owned his own business and he had some money but not new Mercedes money But he had used Mercedes money and I

⏹️ ▶️ John took a couple of trips with his family in that car I think that’s where I started to get super impressed

⏹️ ▶️ John by Mercedes because the even just being a passenger the difference in every

⏹️ ▶️ John aspect of that car from even from the fancy yuppie cars my parents had like a series of Volvos and stuff and

⏹️ ▶️ John and Hondas and before that a bunch of American junk cars. It was

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco very impressive, so I’ve just started that video,

⏹️ ▶️ John but it’s really taken me back to see the switch gear on the 80s Mercedes. And

⏹️ ▶️ John those Mercedes, I mean, they’re not sporty cars, like let’s put it this way, but they just felt

⏹️ ▶️ John so solid and every part of it was so ridiculously over-engineered.

⏹️ ▶️ John Very German in the best possible way. Sometimes I think that you might be happier with a

⏹️ ▶️ John older used car that you get cheaper, that it’s so old that you know you’re gonna be sinking money into

⏹️ ▶️ John it, but you pick it based on like character or nostalgia or something like that where you,

⏹️ ▶️ John instead of going for it has to be like modern, super fast, like resign yourself to actually getting

⏹️ ▶️ John a slow old car that has a lot of character. Maybe that’s what the Wrangler is to you, I don’t know. In which case you should not buy a new Wrangler, you

⏹️ ▶️ John should buy a used one.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey So the real answer to what you’re describing is

⏹️ ▶️ Casey I would kill almost everyone I knew for an E39 M5. So this

⏹️ ▶️ Casey is early 2000s, it’s six speed only, V8, about 400 horsepower.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey In a lot of ways, I think that’s the right answer because they can be had for,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey last I looked, which is a long time ago, between 10 and $20,000 for a reasonable example

⏹️ ▶️ Casey that hasn’t been too badly obliterated. But the thing is, as they

⏹️ ▶️ Casey get older and older and older, they get more and more and more finicky and thus require more

⏹️ ▶️ Casey and more and more repairs. So now I’m trading a reasonably modern BMW that’s constantly

⏹️ ▶️ Casey in need of repair for an older and more interesting BMW that’s constantly in need

⏹️ ▶️ Casey of repair.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, John So- But

⏹️ ▶️ John it costs way less, like just set aside double the price of the car

⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey for repairs for the

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco next eight years. Right, like Marko was

⏹️ ▶️ John saying. And you still come out ahead versus buying a brand new Mercedes at some ridiculous price once you add all the options in.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah, like the price of getting a car new is so much more

⏹️ ▶️ Marco than maintaining an old one, generally speaking. If

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, Casey what

⏹️ ▶️ Marco you’re concerned about is total long-term value, John’s right.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Well, and that’s why I bought the BMW used. I suppose if you balance

⏹️ ▶️ Casey the checkbook, if you will, we could have afforded to buy a new 335,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey but it would have been a financially unwise decision to make. And that’s why

⏹️ ▶️ Casey I saved like 15 grand off the sticker by buying the car that I just told you was delivered in

⏹️ ▶️ Casey December 2010. I bought it in September 2012 and saved like 15 grand. And

⏹️ ▶️ Casey the reason that I’m harping on new cars for me, because otherwise, were it not

⏹️ ▶️ Casey for what I’m about to tell you, I would absolutely be looking at either lightly used new-ish cars or something

⏹️ ▶️ Casey ancient like John’s describing. But the problem I have is that

⏹️ ▶️ Casey I’ve gotten it in my brain for better or worse that I really, really do not want to buy a car that does not

⏹️ ▶️ Casey support CarPlay because to my eyes, that kind of future proofs the infotainment

⏹️ ▶️ Casey in a way that my car can’t be. And I can get updates for my infotainment to some degree, but it’s

⏹️ ▶️ Casey never going to change the fact that it’s like a five pixel by five pixel display and that it’s got a terribly

⏹️ ▶️ Casey slow processor that can’t handle zooming. Like remember Marco, when we were in the

⏹️ ▶️ Casey M5 and I

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, Marco zoomed the map for the first time,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey or maybe you zoom the map. And I was like, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. It actually zooms. It doesn’t just jump between zoom

⏹️ ▶️ Casey levels. It actually animates the zoom and it blew my mind. And so because of that,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey I I’ve gotten it in my brain that I want something with carplay and I’m pretty darn

⏹️ ▶️ Casey sure the Wrangler has it. I know the Golf R has it. Um, that’s part of the reason why that,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey that and the sunroof are reasons why I genuinely don’t think money, no object. I would have the alpha or Mayo because

⏹️ ▶️ Casey it does not support carplay and the infotainment system was at best mediocre. And so,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey if you look at my obnoxious requirements, like I’m the world’s worst consulting client, right? Because

⏹️ ▶️ Casey I want three pedals that goes zero to 60 in five-ish seconds,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey that’s not front wheel drive, that supports car play, that has a sunroof. You know,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey these requirements, the only thing, and this comes back around to what Marco was saying, pretty much the only thing that meets

⏹️ ▶️ Casey all these requirements is a brand new 340. But the other requirement I have is not BMW, so now

⏹️ ▶️ Casey what? But

⏹️ ▶️ John your requirements are so defined by your experience with BMW though.

⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey That’s why

⏹️ ▶️ John I’m saying, if you get an older car, forget about CarPlay. Just take your phone, get a

⏹️ ▶️ John phone thing that clips into the vents and shove your phone in the dash. There’s your navigation. It’ll

⏹️ ▶️ John never go out of date. You keep buying new phones and clipping them in the clip. And then just get a car with character

⏹️ ▶️ John that has some sort of nostalgia value that you can get cheap that you will put $5,000 into every single year and

⏹️ ▶️ John it’ll just be your little hobby fun thing. And it will be slow. It’ll be slower than a Civic Type R or whatever. But I don’t

⏹️ ▶️ John know. I guess maybe the Mac

⏹️ ▶️ John Pro strategy is the thing to do and just keep on keeping on until that thing really explodes

⏹️ ▶️ John for good.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey I mean, that very well may be the thing. And actually, it was funny because just before we got

⏹️ ▶️ Casey on the microphones tonight, I was brushing my teeth and I was thinking to myself, you know what?

⏹️ ▶️ Casey If I really am serious about this consulting or whatever thing I

⏹️ ▶️ Casey want to do instead of of a jobby job, if I’m really serious about this, the number

⏹️ ▶️ Casey one thing change I need to make in my life is to not be telling myself, well, you

⏹️ ▶️ Casey know, you might be able to swing a new card in 2018. The first thing that needs to happen is I

⏹️ ▶️ Casey don’t drop a, you know, thousands upon thousands of dollars on a new car, even something new to me,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey like. I do not need to be getting anything new. And to your point, John, I need to just drive

⏹️ ▶️ Casey my BMW until it falls apart, or at least at the very least drive my BMW until I’ve proven

⏹️ ▶️ Casey myself that, you know, Casey List Incorporated is making money, you know what I mean? And that’s

⏹️ ▶️ Casey not a bad thing. That’s a perfectly fine decision to make. It’s just a less exciting decision

⏹️ ▶️ Casey to make.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Well, but, you know, this is like, this is going to be a year of lots of changes, you know? Like, even

⏹️ ▶️ Marco if you don’t change your job situation, you still are going to have a second kid in like three minutes.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco And so that’s going to be a huge, massive change in addition to

⏹️ ▶️ Marco just all of the, you developmental stages and things that Declan is going through during this time. So like,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco you’re going to have a big change this year. You might be, you know, in many ways, this might be

⏹️ ▶️ Marco a bad time to buy a new car because you’re just too busy with other stuff. You know, like

⏹️ ▶️ Marco buying a car, especially for somebody like you who cares about it, is a time consuming endeavor,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco as you know, because you just bought the Volvo like, you know, two weeks ago or whatever. Like, you know, you know how

⏹️ ▶️ Marco much time it consumes to go go through that process. You also, therefore, can probably see,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco like, even if money wasn’t the problem, it’s still not

⏹️ ▶️ Marco probably a good idea to, for you, car nerd Casey, who cares a lot about

⏹️ ▶️ Marco things, to embark on that kind of mission right now. You know?

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Well,

⏹️ ▶️ John to get this straight, starting a consulting business, good time. Buying a car, no, you’re

⏹️ ▶️ John too

⏹️ ▶️ Marco busy. Honestly, yes, because look, your job stuff is going through a bunch of

⏹️ ▶️ Marco transitions regardless because you have this time off and then and you have this new person that

⏹️ ▶️ Marco they hired or whatever that you know. So like you have like, you know, training and time off and then you’re going to have

⏹️ ▶️ Marco to go back and get plunged into the deep end of, oh my God, I’m back to work again in

⏹️ ▶️ Marco two months or whatever. And that’s going to suck completely. No matter

⏹️ ▶️ Marco how happy you are with that job and how happy they are with you, that’s going to be a massive transition to

⏹️ ▶️ Marco jump from basically from like you know paternity leave, full-time dad at home

⏹️ ▶️ Marco to still having to be full-time dad at home and also then jumping

⏹️ ▶️ Marco back into work. Like that’s a huge transition. So it’s going to be a

⏹️ ▶️ Marco very busy spring for you. Even if you don’t go back to… like

⏹️ ▶️ Marco even if you don’t do consulting instead of going back to work, it’s still going to be a very busy spring for

⏹️ ▶️ Marco you. So it’s only a question of you know which which of these busy paths you

⏹️ ▶️ Marco take, but to add on top of that, buying a new car as a car enthusiast, I don’t

⏹️ ▶️ Marco think it’s a good time

⏹️ ▶️ Casey for that. Well, I see both sides of this, right? Because part of the reason it took us forever to buy the Volvo is because

⏹️ ▶️ Casey we were trying to extract the lowest possible price that we could achieve

⏹️ ▶️ Casey from several different dealers in several different states, right? And that’s

⏹️ ▶️ Casey partially because the Volvo was, if I’m honest, a little outside the price that we were willing to pay but we were

⏹️ ▶️ Casey reaching just like the first time home buyer, at least this was my experience. When we bought the house we’re in

⏹️ ▶️ Casey now, we found it even despite the fact that it was more expensive than we told ourselves

⏹️ ▶️ Casey we would be willing to pay. But anyways, I think if I

⏹️ ▶️ Casey really was hell-bent on buying a car and I

⏹️ ▶️ Casey had carte blanche from Erin to do it, which I think if I looked at her and said, no,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey really, it’s time. I need to get one. think she would really be opposed to it. But anyways, if I think

⏹️ ▶️ Casey within a day or most a weekend, I could drive the three to six cars

⏹️ ▶️ Casey I would like to drive to try them out, to see what I think. And if I’m not nickel and diming

⏹️ ▶️ Casey the dealer to death over every little thing, I think I could have it done

⏹️ ▶️ Casey in a weekend. Like, I understand what you’re saying, Marco, and the typical Casey approach is to nickel and dime and to email

⏹️ ▶️ Casey every dealer in a three to five state radius and say, this is what I want and what’s the best price you can

⏹️ ▶️ Casey give. and then argue with them when they inevitably don’t tell me the best price they can give, because they’re incentivized not to tell

⏹️ ▶️ Casey me the best price

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, Marco they can give. Well, even beyond

⏹️ ▶️ Marco that, there’s the research beforehand. There’s all the thinking and reading and stuff

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, Casey you’re doing beforehand. Yeah, but I do that constantly

⏹️ ▶️ Marco anyway. That’s true. But there’s all that. Then you get the car,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco then you have to do registrations and license. There’s paperwork to have a car. There’s

⏹️ ▶️ Marco things that you have to change or or activate about the new car, about your various…

⏹️ ▶️ Marco There’s a lot of overhead to it. And if you’re gonna be spending

⏹️ ▶️ Marco a lot of overhead in the next few months on something, I think priority

⏹️ ▶️ Marco one is baby, priority two is Declan, priority three is Aaron, priority four is yourself,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco and then priority five is job situation. And then maybe priority 11 is,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco oh, I kinda want a new car also. This is such a weird time to do that. Like, you know,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco it’s just not, yeah, that’s not

⏹️ ▶️ Casey good. Yeah, fair. I don’t know, John, you’ve been quiet. What are you thinking?

⏹️ ▶️ John I’m thinking you should go to bed.

⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey I like that idea.

⏹️ ▶️ John Get all that restful sleep that you’re gonna

⏹️ ▶️ Casey get. Get the sleep while you can, ha ha

⏹️ ▶️ John ha. No, I was saying, I think you’re probably not gonna get a lot of sleep, especially if, yeah.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Well, I guess we’re gonna lose this. I guess you’re not gonna have a baby on

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John the air.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Let’s pick some titles, we still got

⏹️ ▶️ Casey time. Oh, God bless America, you’re

⏹️ ▶️ Marco right. Would it be insensitive for me, like if Aaron ran in to say this is time would it be insensitive

⏹️ ▶️ Marco of me to ask you to please put your file in Dropbox before you go?

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Actually, yes, because I’m going to bring my adorable with me and as you both

⏹️ ▶️ Casey well

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, John know unless it’s a

⏹️ ▶️ John I’ll have

⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey plenty of time

⏹️ ▶️ John while she’s, you know, seriously doing the hard work of birthing a baby he’ll be sitting there tapping away

⏹️ ▶️ John on his laptop. How’s it going over

⏹️ ▶️ Casey there? Well, no, maybe

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, John a lot of it’s just waiting.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, Marco No, I’m serious. I had my computer

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, John with me.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey I had my computer with me when Declan was born, and up until the overnight

⏹️ ▶️ Casey when he was born—like I said earlier, he was born at like 5 in the morning—up until that overnight portion,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey she was basically just waiting around getting—what’s the drug that they use for inductions? Patosin?

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Patosin. Thank you. Yes. She was getting her patosin drip or whatever and just kind of waiting.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey It took forever to get to the point that it was all hands on deck, this is it. And so

⏹️ ▶️ Casey I had a computer, and I don’t remember what we were doing, but I definitely had some downtime. In fact,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey you should have seen Erin’s face when I asked her where my Switch was, and I told her it was because I wanted to bring it so we could play

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Mario Kart together. She did not find that funny at all. I thought it was hilarious,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey and I was also serious, but she did not see the humor in it at all.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, Marco Anyway— I mean, if you’re going

⏹️ ▶️ Marco to bring the Switch, you’ve got to at least bring a pro controller for her so that she’s comfortable while using

⏹️ ▶️ Casey it. Right? I mean, I will I was debating bringing the doc, but I won’t but

⏹️ ▶️ Casey I will have a HDMI

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, John adapter

⏹️ ▶️ Casey the TV in the room Why not?

⏹️ ▶️ John Little setup over there. He’s got snacks. He’s got a switch. He’s got a little TV set up He’s got a fan

⏹️ ▶️ John blowing on them. You bring in like a dorm fridge like

⏹️ ▶️ Casey We have snacks packed. Don’t even worry

⏹️ ▶️ John Sir the birthing tub is for your wife

⏹️ ▶️ Casey I’ve actually I’ve been I’ve been trying to get the most recent episode

⏹️ ▶️ Casey of this is us on to my adorable so we so the two of us can watch that while she’s just sitting there waiting for things to happen.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey But

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, Marco anyway, so

⏹️ ▶️ Marco just sitting there

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, Casey like waiting

⏹️ ▶️ Casey is that to some degree because she knows how Declan went and she knows that there was a lot of sitting and waiting.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey But here again, there’s Tina’s second old Tina and john’s second birth where it’s like, are you sure

⏹️ ▶️ Casey you’re gonna be doing a lot of sitting and waiting?

⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey Cuz

⏹️ ▶️ John I mean it’ll almost surely go faster than the first but how much faster? Who knows? If it’s half the time it’s still many

⏹️ ▶️ John many hours, right?

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Exactly, exactly. Anyway, we should do titles.

⏹️ ▶️ John I my pick is a heroic threshold for pain in honor of Aaron