225: A Conversation with Siri
06 Jun 2017Our WWDC 2017 live show!
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⏹️ ▶️ Casey hey everybody hello this is wild a little bit
⏹️ ▶️ Casey this is a lot of people but that’s cool so thanks everyone for coming this is super awesome
⏹️ ▶️ Casey and thank you again to the all kind people for making this all happen this is really really great
⏹️ ▶️ Casey and we don’t really have an agenda here because this is the accidental have podcasts so i think
⏹️ ▶️ Casey you had something you wanted to discuss with the group
⏹️ ▶️ John format notes like of course how many people in
⏹️ ▶️ John this room regularly listen to the live stream at well anyway if you listen to
⏹️ ▶️ John live for everyone else you listen to the download of podcast it’s edited and during live stream we just do a bunch
⏹️ ▶️ John of stuff and then marco turns it into a show and so we’re going to do a bunch of stuff here
⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey including including listen
⏹️ ▶️ John to marco to ed raids live which is always fun but i have a format question for all three of us which
⏹️ ▶️ John i didn’t mention before but like at some point during this show during this recording marco is going to hit a
⏹️ ▶️ John button that’s going to play our theme song what happens after that
⏹️ ▶️ Marco so i was this has been like i’ve been i’ve been kind of postponing like thinking about this mike
⏹️ ▶️ Marco had a good idea why don’t we have the audience sing the theme song alone and
⏹️ ▶️ Marco this is exactly the kind of thing that would be totally way too mortifying for the three of
⏹️ ▶️ Marco us to do but there’s a whole room of people here who might feel differently so
⏹️ ▶️ Marco i think that’s how we should stop all right but after the song and then what
⏹️ ▶️ John happens we talk about cars and we keep talking right but today do they file out while we talk about cars
⏹️ ▶️ John everybody we’ll figure it out when we get there that’s that’s the other question i’m afraid to ask us what i’m going to now
⏹️ ▶️ John how many people know what happens on the podcast after the themes
⏹️ ▶️ John that most anybody not raising their hand people don’t know what happens
⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey it is just what i’m
⏹️ ▶️ John getting at is i don’t know how we’re going to end this podcast like literally i don’t know how we’re going to end it because we just kind of tail off in
⏹️ ▶️ John the actual recording
⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey anyway this is all pre show what you’re
⏹️ ▶️ John hearing now this is called pre show and this is the stuff that we do while we’re trying to figure out where i’m going to record anyway i think
⏹️ ▶️ John i got that in my sister have any more pre show stuff let’s get on with the show
⏹️ ▶️ Casey for it a tech podcast we don’t mess around around these parts so i spent a lot of
⏹️ ▶️ Casey money today i just thought i’d let everybody
⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey you’re already
⏹️ ▶️ Casey how this is how it works this is what we do
⏹️ ▶️ John john is so go ahead you can you can have your mom
⏹️ ▶️ Casey yeah i bought i bought a macbook adorable and i’m really excited about that so finally the
⏹️ ▶️ Casey macbook adorable has been updated i am very stoked and and i’m really excited for her to arrive
⏹️ ▶️ Casey in like three freaking weeks because i went all in and got the super fancy one humble brag not so
⏹️ ▶️ Casey humble brag whatever and i’m really excited that that happened and that’s really all i care about and oh yeah i had
⏹️ ▶️ Casey stuff happened and we can i guess we’re done
⏹️ ▶️ Marco i love that you are the only like it’s like you ever see the pictures of the highways when a place is being
⏹️ ▶️ Marco evacuated for a hurricane and you see like there’s like all the people going one direction and there’s
⏹️ ▶️ Marco one going the other way like this is the entire rest of the
⏹️ ▶️ Marco universe right now is like oh my god i had productivity this is the future they
⏹️ ▶️ Marco basically made it the max asterisk asterisk so we’re going there and you’re like
⏹️ ▶️ Marco yeah you know what this is the perfect time to stop using my ipad and i
⏹️ ▶️ Marco, Casey know this is
⏹️ ▶️ Casey where where is pete rico i don’t know where he is but i’m so sorry about it
⏹️ ▶️ Marco i don’t think this is going to put a damper on his day no i don’t think that’s possible right
⏹️ ▶️ Casey so we got to get the show on the road i should stop tracking everyone so so today is the first day
⏹️ ▶️ Casey of w d c the kino was just a few hours ago i don’t know when marco will get the chance
⏹️ ▶️ Casey to release this as a proper version of the proper version of the show tonight i’m dedicated oh that’s some
⏹️ ▶️ Casey sense well i’m not staying up that late but i don’t ever get involved with that anyway because i’m a big diva anyhow
⏹️ ▶️ Casey the the kino was today the quina was today and it was
⏹️ ▶️ Casey quick like they set a really high bar for us getting through this show quickly
⏹️ ▶️ Casey which is something that the three of us are entirely incapable
⏹️ ▶️ Casey so this is going to be a little bit interesting well
⏹️ ▶️ Marco this is going to be like john godfather situation where like the commentary is probably
⏹️ ▶️ Marco gonna be a good fellow but the godfather
⏹️ ▶️ John of course it was of course yeah but is this keynote was like a speed run like at first kevin
⏹️ ▶️ John lynch was up there and he was he was going fast i thought maybe because he was nervous but everybody went really fast because they had
⏹️ ▶️ John so much stuff and we’re i guess we’re going to go through it in kino darter which means like the exciting things are at the end
⏹️ ▶️ John because they save them to the end so we have a bunch of unexciting things in the beginning so t
⏹️ ▶️ Marco so i have a question was the o s or any part of the os actually mentioned
⏹️ ▶️ Marco or actually changed cause a content deal is not the os as far as i can tell the
⏹️ ▶️ John did to watch state of the union and state of the union they showed one slide that showed that they had some new things for helping i
⏹️ ▶️ John don’t know they had a bunch of icons that made me think they added some more navigation stuff but anyway nothing new on tv
⏹️ ▶️ John that we care about right
⏹️ ▶️ Casey and the funny thing is back six months ago before i knew that the grand tour was a pile of garbage i would have
⏹️ ▶️ Casey been super amped to have amazon prime video on the apple tv and as it turns to many
⏹️ ▶️ Casey castle this god chose an amazon well either way all i cared about was the grand tour and now it’s
⏹️ ▶️ Casey just a disaster so i mean i’m excited i guess that this is perhaps the damn breaking
⏹️ ▶️ Casey which is really exciting but i don’t know t b s so let’s move on watch as
⏹️ ▶️ Casey was it its right and there
⏹️ ▶️ Marco wasn’t that much more there was a little bit of new stuff in watchos i think it’s interesting you know like i was kind of predicting
⏹️ ▶️ Marco that this would be like a kind of quite for those two i think that mostly panned out most other predictions were horrendously wrong
⏹️ ▶️ Marco but this one i think i actually
⏹️ ▶️ John got sure everywhere i thought you were on the right track because they’re like oh the siri watch face we really are going to see
⏹️ ▶️ Marco so the watch i’m like okay the watch is computer like you
⏹️ ▶️ Marco can make it be anything you can make it show anything you can give it the intelligence to say i don’t always
⏹️ ▶️ Marco want to have set at the bottom if i occasionally want a timer down there but when a timer’s running
⏹️ ▶️ Marco i want it to be on screen and so they had this potential since day one of the watch to be like
⏹️ ▶️ Marco we can we can make it smart it’s a smart watch so we can only show stuff that you need to care about at that moment but it’s mostly
⏹️ ▶️ Marco been unrealized on the watch face that they’ve been pretty much static like you could make multiple ones now you know it three but
⏹️ ▶️ Marco but the the complications you would set up would be pretty much fixed and it wasn’t
⏹️ ▶️ Marco actually being very smart about that so now they make a face where they actually make something
⏹️ ▶️ Marco smart but it’s only on that face like you can’t just put a like smart
⏹️ ▶️ Marco complication as like the big bottom one in like you know some of the other faces or anything like that like why
⏹️ ▶️ Marco it’s it’s a good step to get smarter but why is it only on that one kind of interestingly designed
⏹️ ▶️ John thought when they were showing that segment it’s like oh you’re going to be able to like swipe your complications or make like a make your
⏹️ ▶️ John own smart face or at different times of day but no you’re right it’s just all one face and all seri focused it doesn’t even
⏹️ ▶️ John look like a watch and i don’t know i mean maybe it’s just a start to this for a brief moment i thought
⏹️ ▶️ John they were going to say third party watch faces yeah so did i
⏹️ ▶️ Marco thought it was for like eight seconds there was a this little glimmer of hope at the beginning there yeah
⏹️ ▶️ Casey i thought your worlds were going to climb marco where you have watches and and and you can make your own
⏹️ ▶️ Casey face and you can make it as fancy as you wanted you know because your watch is not very smart i don’t know for those who aren’t
⏹️ ▶️ Casey here he is wearing a proper mechanical watch so yours is not a very intelligent
⏹️ ▶️ Casey, John it’s a feature watch
⏹️ ▶️ Marco yeah but it’s you know i do want the watch to take advantage of the fact that it’s a computer and
⏹️ ▶️ Marco and they clearly they now are considering things like the intelligence of the face by making the serious
⏹️ ▶️ Marco face that’s more dynamic with what is showing you but they didn’t take it far enough so maybe in the future they will i hope they
⏹️ ▶️ Marco do they did a lot of work out stuff
⏹️ ▶️ John like as i thinking out recognizing the watch is mostly a fitness related things in a lot of movements for workouts
⏹️ ▶️ John so you know getting rid of frustrations in terms of like i want to i’m in the middle of a workout but i want to pause
⏹️ ▶️ John the music and stuff like that so those seem like smart focus features and that the the lap swimming
⏹️ ▶️ John in the pool you know that’s that’s pretty esoteric in the grand scheme of things
⏹️ ▶️ Casey i liked the um they had said that they were going to do like monthly based reminders or something like that like hey if
⏹️ ▶️ Casey you are near the end of the month and if you you know move the next three to hit your move goal the next three days you
⏹️ ▶️ Casey will get your move goal for the whole month and and i think that’s kind of neat because i pay some amount of attention
⏹️ ▶️ Casey to my rings and you know not all of us are just innately a blue ring stud like me so so
⏹️ ▶️ Casey for you guys i’m sure that this is pretty important for your blue rings but uh but i thought that was really cool
⏹️ ▶️ Casey and i think that a lot of these things were typical evolutionary improvements but as
⏹️ ▶️ Casey as always with apple mostly with apple they were not revolutionary but the watch i mean look good
⏹️ ▶️ John and it was and it was early in the quito so they didn’t talk about all the things that annoy like if you if you wipe your watch
⏹️ ▶️ John or unpaired you lose all your data and sometimes you you stand every hour during a day but it doesn’t give
⏹️ ▶️ John you your stand ring because it doesn’t like you like i always want a mulligan mulligan feature where
⏹️ ▶️ John i’ll be like oh come on i get one mulligan per day and i can say i totally stood that hour anyway that’s
⏹️ ▶️ John it’s next year for watcher was five i
⏹️ ▶️ Marco guess i also have a small concern with the activity reminders that you know right now when you get
⏹️ ▶️ Marco a watch on default settings there is increasingly more health and fitness type things
⏹️ ▶️ Marco that it bugs you about every so often and i wonder if they if they push that too far like they added bread
⏹️ ▶️ Marco last year and everything if they push that too far people will turn those off and i feel like they’re they’re
⏹️ ▶️ Marco really on the edge of that right now
⏹️ ▶️ Casey well to some degree it’s all about the the way the person perceives you right because
⏹️ ▶️ Casey to you it’s frustrating and annoying and especially with breathe i agree with you but otherwise i think
⏹️ ▶️ Casey that most of these reminders are kind of nice and i’d like to try to get reminded from something external
⏹️ ▶️ Casey to myself hey get off your lazy butt and move a little bit you’ve been writing code for the last six hours
⏹️ ▶️ Casey maybe you should go i don’t know get a drink of water or something and so for me i actually think it’s really cool
⏹️ ▶️ Casey again with the breathe accepted because i don’t dig that at all i breathed during the cano
⏹️ ▶️ Marco did you stand at fifty minutes
⏹️ ▶️ Casey exactly no not so much all
⏹️ ▶️ Casey anything else i watch hope
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⏹️ ▶️ Casey mail it well done sir that’s how that’s how you do i’ve
⏹️ ▶️ Casey done this a few times what so for those i don’t listen to the live broadcast when marco
⏹️ ▶️ Casey used to do the reeds during the live broadcast it was a train wreck it was not a train wreck but it was
⏹️ ▶️ Casey it isn’t bad there there were occasional derailments of a minor variety so are
⏹️ ▶️ Casey there really minor train trail anyway so speaking of
⏹️ ▶️ Casey derailing trains high sierra
⏹️ ▶️ Marco what is that mean com a i mean we’ll get to this later but what do
⏹️ ▶️ Marco you think is the worst name high sierra or homepod
⏹️ ▶️ John oh hi sir i think i think they’re both fine i thought they weren’t called sierra nevada but high sierra
⏹️ ▶️ John is fine that’s the thing and casey didn’t know it was a thing either but it is it is a place and a thing and it
⏹️ ▶️ John wasn’t there a high sierra like volume format or like cdrom standard this is where you are the live chat room
⏹️ ▶️ Marco thing nobody know all people some kind of yeah they have some kind of like cd rom like mount order kind of standard yeah yeah i see
⏹️ ▶️ Casey i thought the dad jokes leading up to it like i’m a sucker for a good dad jokes that was fine whatever but then
⏹️ ▶️ Casey i was expecting craig to be like oh no really no it’s called something else and that never
⏹️ ▶️ Marco me about a minute before i realized it wasn’t a joke
⏹️ ▶️ Casey yeah exactly i really thought that they’re that cause me oh haha i’m so funny i’m such a good guy and and really
⏹️ ▶️ Casey it’s called like you know yosemite plus plus or whatever anyways and so as it turns out
⏹️ ▶️ Casey they’re they’re rolling with the high sierra and like on the on the surface i thought the
⏹️ ▶️ Casey the loose drug references were kind of funny as like a gag but
⏹️ ▶️ Casey when you’re introducing the new version of your os with all of these drug references and are like no
⏹️ ▶️ Casey really this is it that just i don’t know that that’s a little weird to me but the os
⏹️ ▶️ Casey looks good so there’s that
⏹️ ▶️ John yeah this kind of we complain about like they keep having to revise makes every year and we think you should slow down the
⏹️ ▶️ John pace this is them slowing down the pace they’ll have a marketing release this year but the number of features they’re adding i mean this could practically
⏹️ ▶️ John be a point release you know like this nut doesn’t look like there’s a lot of new stuff in it or the very least not a lot
⏹️ ▶️ John of stuff new stuff they talked about obviously a apfs which is
⏹️ ▶️ John the most important feature of the operating system as we all know they didn’t go into detail on it but they did do the one like
⏹️ ▶️ John demo that you can do with with the the file cloning which is not really that impressive if you understand what’s going on under
⏹️ ▶️ John the covers but whatever they they didn’t they didn’t
⏹️ ▶️ John what they didn’t show basically was is a p f s faster than h f s plus like can you do some big operation
⏹️ ▶️ John to a lot of files either just using straight posits apis or in rap is it actually faster
⏹️ ▶️ John than any trust maybe it’s not or maybe it’s a wash but if you’re taking advantage of features that only a p s
⏹️ ▶️ John abs has obviously it’s going to look good so that that was fine you you didn’t mind not watch the state
⏹️ ▶️ John of the union marco but because you’re busy getting ready over here there was a kind of a sad note about
⏹️ ▶️ John maga siera and thirty two bit app support scary sad note because i think of how
⏹️ ▶️ John many thirty two bit apps i have my mac and i have a lot and i bet everybody has a lot and unlike ios apps
⏹️ ▶️ John i have little hope that if thirty two bit support goes away that all those app developers are
⏹️ ▶️ John even still developing those abs and b will update them all to sixty four bit versions so they say thirty
⏹️ ▶️ John betas or is not going away in high sierra but in the one after that probably
⏹️ ▶️ John we’re going to yell at you if you try to launch it like or wish you wash you about it but bottom line is thirty two
⏹️ ▶️ John bit aps are not long for this world in macos in the next year or two
⏹️ ▶️ Casey but hold on that was that just the app store because i don’t remember
⏹️ ▶️ John that’s the o s my impression is that that’s the o s we just came from the state of the union so we didn’t have time to read it seems well
⏹️ ▶️ John on the audience or noting that means i’m
⏹️ ▶️ Marco right there and they’re working was like this will be the last release where like you can do it like without big problems right
⏹️ ▶️ Marco so maybe they’ll do some some kind of like virtualization layer thing or like an emulation layer like rosetta like later
⏹️ ▶️ John yellow to say you know this this app may make your mac slower like they do on you know when you the
⏹️ ▶️ Marco page in like all the thirty two at libraries to actually run the i’m guessing they’ll have some kind of
⏹️ ▶️ Marco like patchwork solution because it wouldn’t be that hard for them to do it like they already have
⏹️ ▶️ Marco the library and that they could do like a v m kinda like emulation mode for those absent just yell at you with
⏹️ ▶️ Marco dialogue boxes eling you that your computer is not performing very well
⏹️ ▶️ Casey you know we skip safari and i don’t need i don’t think there’s a lot to say about it but i’m super excited about the changes they’ve made i
⏹️ ▶️ Casey mean autoplay video blocking that’s awesome how long
⏹️ ▶️ John do you think i’ll take people to defeat
⏹️ ▶️ Casey that well can we at least be positive for a right a man but now that that’s
⏹️ ▶️ Casey exciting i forget what else was in safari but but looks faster
⏹️ ▶️ Marco it’s really fast it’s always faster the the intelligent tracking prevention which sounds like some kind
⏹️ ▶️ Marco of algorithm to detect whether to block third party cookies on ads which is pretty cool by default that’s nice like it’s
⏹️ ▶️ Marco it’s kind of like a half ad blocker step maybe they would also block things are
⏹️ ▶️ Marco the more invisible kind of trackers that you don’t necessarily you know see you know the kind of the massive three megabytes
⏹️ ▶️ Marco of includes that most of these websites have now so maybe this is kind of them building in an ad
⏹️ ▶️ Marco blocker by default like as a baby step and they probably would never go out and say we’re blocking all our ads
⏹️ ▶️ Marco so that people might see the but this is something like will you or browsers decides not to load your job script sometimes like they they
⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John might loading them
⏹️ ▶️ John i think they’re just trying to make you less trackable guess i mean we’ll have to go to the sessions about this they’re randomizing identifiable
⏹️ ▶️ John information i don’t think they’re randomizing the user agent string but they could be randomizing some stuff that people use to pin
⏹️ ▶️ John you down like exposing the whatever a p i s they used to get like i don’t know if they can get at your battery level like they
⏹️ ▶️ John do on the phone or whatever but making you appear to be a different phone when you aren’t so they’re not blocking the
⏹️ ▶️ John ads they emphasize that is they don’t want people to get mad at them but they are just making you less tractable which
⏹️ ▶️ John is which is good i don’t know if it’s on i s too but i would assume so the other thing only other thing i want to talk about it makes
⏹️ ▶️ John i don’t want to talk about the photo stuff cause i don’t think there’s that much there we need to move on maybe we’ll circle back to it the part
⏹️ ▶️ John where they talk about graphics i’m like this is it they’re going to upgrade open jail support and they’re going to have a vulcan it’s going
⏹️ ▶️ John to be awesome and you know envy a deep user going to be in the new mac pro next year and no so they’re
⏹️ ▶️ John they’re doubling down on they’re doubling down on metal which is good it’s their thing it’s fine but i think
⏹️ ▶️ John by them talking so heavily about metal is kind of them saying we’re never going to do vulcan
⏹️ ▶️ John like we’re we’re just doing metal and that’s our thing and if you don’t because they got they got
⏹️ ▶️ John engine support they got unity and unreal and like so they don’t think they’re not hurting from the
⏹️ ▶️ John lack of open sore which is fine i suppose they’ll take what i can get but that was that was one fake out in the mac
⏹️ ▶️ John of a section for me
⏹️ ▶️ Marco yeah i will briefly say though because there isn’t that much to talk about with photos this is pretty fast they added thinking
⏹️ ▶️ Marco of the meditative stuff that’s awesome that’s like
⏹️ ▶️ Marco, Casey this as one
⏹️ ▶️ Marco huge glaring hole from last year as you mentioned last week that was the one big hole in the feature
⏹️ ▶️ Marco set that they needed two plugs that way our devices aren’t hot for like the first two days
⏹️ ▶️ Marco after we get a new one to restore it like that’s a huge thing that is as its so is
⏹️ ▶️ John hot when it downloads when it downloads it sinks the the data so yeah sinking is good and you won’t have
⏹️ ▶️ John to re compute it but you will have to pull it down hopefully the progress part pulling down will be better and related to that and we don’t have
⏹️ ▶️ John a separate section for eye cloud but it’s worth talking about here on one of the slides are the thing i said like a family storage
⏹️ ▶️ John plants for eye cloud storage yet which is one tiny step closer to family photo libraries because if
⏹️ ▶️ John we have family storage like a family plan on a cell phone thing we pay for a certain amount for the whole family and you share
⏹️ ▶️ John it in some way that’s a great place to put a family photo library not this year
⏹️ ▶️ Casey a male got some improvements that’s pretty good i actually think male dot ap is fine don’t throw to
⏹️ ▶️ Casey me so do i please i mean it’s fine for me it works i’m not a super productivity guru
⏹️ ▶️ Casey that needs whatever the fancy mail app of the minute is like like a lot of you guys probably
⏹️ ▶️ Casey, John just one more than one
⏹️ ▶️ Casey, Marco fancy yeah that’s true
⏹️ ▶️ Marco just just long ago given up on ever being able to search my mail and i as
⏹️ ▶️ Casey well and supposedly that’s getting better it’s going to up a lot ess space et cetera et cetera not an iis yeah well that’s true
⏹️ ▶️ Casey and then there’s this new h e b c kodak which is two sixty five that’s kind of cool
⏹️ ▶️ John yeah that it’s nice that they’re trying they’re bringing support down like hardware support to some things
⏹️ ▶️ John some existing hardware but if not have software support so that’ll that’ll really help and then converting everything
⏹️ ▶️ John internal like anything that they make will use their you know the age two six five and their new image container
⏹️ ▶️ John format and everything that’s all really smart and will make everybody happy
⏹️ ▶️ Casey and in the beginnings of your good day they they said that you can use external
⏹️ ▶️ Casey gps so you can play games and do whatever things you need this ridiculous gpw
⏹️ ▶️ Casey for with an external jeep use that’s exciting right
⏹️ ▶️ John yeah like like was like a dead kiss they
⏹️ ▶️ Marco were giving you that was a huge surprise like that that the first bit of new hardware apple announced was an external
⏹️ ▶️ John what i want to see for them for real commitment is like oh you know this will let you use higher power use on your laptop and
⏹️ ▶️ John turn it into kind of the macro that we’re not yet introducing right but are they going to ship a product i want
⏹️ ▶️ John official apple support the thing that i can plug a jeep into it don’t produce like oh it’s a third party opportunity here’s a driver i
⏹️ ▶️ John hope that company doesn’t go out of business like if they’re really comitted to it i want to see an apple branded in style box that you
⏹️ ▶️ John can put jeep used in the official support is just a beginning this is a dead kid so we don’t know we don’t know
⏹️ ▶️ John what their product story is there i hope they have a product story and not just a now you can as they couldn’t even when they left it
⏹️ ▶️ John to third parties they couldn’t even get monitors right with the thing i don’t want them to leave external g you to third parties
⏹️ ▶️ John and just you know good luck that seems like an orphan thing but yeah that’s you have the ability to do with thunderbolt
⏹️ ▶️ John people are already doing it with hacks right this is not due an the official apple sport is great and a step in the right
⏹️ ▶️ Casey when the vr was spoken about you that’s kind of cool and these are acknowledging that
⏹️ ▶️ John was the what was the the headset they had with the little dense and it was that the tc c vive
⏹️ ▶️ John they didn’t they didn’t announce if if you make fun of me for mav and you say
⏹️ ▶️ John announced bazillion i don’t know i don’t have one but that’s what the picture they used for the graphics
⏹️ ▶️ John with the logos removed they didn’t announce like oculus or htc supporting apple stuff they did announce
⏹️ ▶️ John like entrance support and steam vr support but they didn’t have like a hardware vr story um it’s
⏹️ ▶️ John good they have a vr story now instead of like no vr is just not a thing but it’s not as if they came out and said
⏹️ ▶️ John all the major vr hardware and software vendors are supporting us and vr is the future they seem much more heavily
⏹️ ▶️ Marco but still it is it is a big step for them to acknowledge that vr is a thing and to acknowledge that
⏹️ ▶️ Marco maybe people who create content in the world might want to create content for vr
⏹️ ▶️ Marco sometimes so maybe we should ship some computers with some big jeep using them
⏹️ ▶️ John yeah or at least better jeeps i don’t know enough about the ready online to know if these are like the super
⏹️ ▶️ John top and being on the current architecture is the a nice change right and
⏹️ ▶️ John it we’ll see helena keeps up yeah they’re not going to have them back again or anther two years that’ll
⏹️ ▶️ Casey right so then we started talking about hardware but yeah there’s something else that’s awesome that we should talk about
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⏹️ ▶️ Casey two or three nicely done so we uh we got snacks that’s exciting
⏹️ ▶️ Casey they’ve got fancy new displays which is cool they’re on kaby lake gentlemen
⏹️ ▶️ Casey i feel like there should be some sort of excitement about this i’m surprised the room isn’t this is not
⏹️ ▶️ Casey a demand i’m surprised the room isn’t erupting in thunderous applause he really wasn’t a demand
⏹️ ▶️ Marco that desperate god god god he really that i mean it’s nice but it’s more
⏹️ ▶️ Casey leaving aside the real star of the show as far as the three of us are concerned i thought the imac look
⏹️ ▶️ Casey good i mean it’s an improvement the displays are better they’re faster more ram all these good things i
⏹️ ▶️ John the fact that they kept the u s b a ports on the back because this is like finally you have u s b c in thunderbolt and so but they didn’t
⏹️ ▶️ John remove all the aports because all that would mean is even more dongles hanging out the back of your imac to places where you can’t
⏹️ ▶️ John reach them and that like the weight of the don will make some bend down and everything so i’m glad that they did that and they kept
⏹️ ▶️ John the sd card slot like no the future is not as d cards we got to remove it you know they didn’t add anything
⏹️ ▶️ John but hey they didn’t take away anything else so this is very very pragmatic i mack up update and at least they’re differentiating
⏹️ ▶️ John the line in a way that they don’t with the portables that like this the larger and bigger
⏹️ ▶️ John and more complicated the computer the more you care about legacy ports and the less we’re going to try to like make it even thinner
⏹️ ▶️ John and remove all the ports and just tell you you shouldn’t stick sd cards if you want an sd card reader just buy a usb
⏹️ ▶️ John c hub and then put the s b c cable in and then put a card reader into that with the adapter and your dongle and it’s like
⏹️ ▶️ John just give me the slot to put in the back so i like those imacs they look pretty good the screen stuff what did they
⏹️ ▶️ John say the standard imac have better brightness and everything too yeah and timed color too not they said tempe dithering
⏹️ ▶️ John which i don’t yeah right it makes me think that the that the screen is still not capable of but that they’re going to dither to get
⏹️ ▶️ John the different color things i don’t know what that means maybe yeah that’s worth clarifying the looking to and they didn’t say anything
⏹️ ▶️ John about image retention marcos i don’t
⏹️ ▶️ Casey oops uh yeah and then there are still some some spinning platter models some sale
⏹️ ▶️ Marco but they’re all fusion like they did they know they’re not the base model twenty one inch is still
⏹️ ▶️ Marco a fifty four hundred rpm
⏹️ ▶️ John because they made a big point of it that the fusion
⏹️ ▶️ Marco was standard on all models they were very careful to say that all twenty seven inch can figure let’s have you
⏹️ ▶️ John don’t even think they should have fusion drives in there it should be everywhere i agree but
⏹️ ▶️ Marco anybody who’s buying only an option if you want like a ton of space but it should not like that’s a crutch
⏹️ ▶️ Marco like there they should not be using that
⏹️ ▶️ John we don’t know i don’t know yet if using drives are supported with a p f s like i don’t know how that works
⏹️ ▶️ John like both for conversion which wasn’t mentioned at all and also if you buy one of these things like a year from
⏹️ ▶️ John now and it comes with a fusion drive is the spinning disk part of it a p f s does it make a difference i don’t
⏹️ ▶️ Marco know i’m shocked that they did not take the ten seconds in there
⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John talk about it as they talk about mile system conversion
⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey that’s a scary
⏹️ ▶️ John and important step that everybody has to go through
⏹️ ▶️ Casey they talked about oh my word let me talk about the birds and the
⏹️ ▶️ Casey, John best and the new
⏹️ ▶️ John imac they bump the jeep ews they give better jeep us and across the line which is a
⏹️ ▶️ John lot of their jeep you talk and the graphic stock is acknowledging a weakness in their entire product line that their deep
⏹️ ▶️ John es are not great the kind of middle of the road and it hurts them and so i don’t
⏹️ ▶️ John know if you need them for the vr stuff but it’s just it’s just embarrassing when they’re like fancy games that everybody
⏹️ ▶️ John else is playing that are available for the mac on steam but people don’t want to play them or can’t play them or the frame
⏹️ ▶️ John rates are terrible it doesn’t look good so i’m glad that they are making progress in that area and i didn’t
⏹️ ▶️ John look at the pricing are they jacking up the prices compared to the current models based on
⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco heavy and better to save you
⏹️ ▶️ John i mean they they have a place to jack up the prices and that’s oh sure
⏹️ ▶️ Casey it was this was this where they did the demo of the vr stuff with with starwars and ilam and all that i
⏹️ ▶️ Casey believe so yeah cause it struck me as i was watching this like if you think of everyone on stage
⏹️ ▶️ Casey they all had like prompter and and had people around them and you presumably
⏹️ ▶️ Casey they were able to see like kind of cues of what they were supposed to talk about next this this poor
⏹️ ▶️ Casey woman i don’t remember recall her name i think i did write it on somewhere but god knows where it was but anyway she had to have goggles
⏹️ ▶️ Casey on and just do all of this from memory i can barely remember my own name half
⏹️ ▶️ John ducked under other’s lightsaber that wasn’t there it as that was the hell that was a hell of a demo
⏹️ ▶️ Casey it was it was intense like i’m serious that was super impressive because everyone else at least can look at a monitor
⏹️ ▶️ Casey remind themselves what they’re supposed to
⏹️ ▶️ John say oh it’s so they’re good at this island doesn’t do live shows in front of an audience they do post production they
⏹️ ▶️ John have all the time in the world so they they must have reversed that like crazy and that was that was obviously it wasn’t a game that you can
⏹️ ▶️ John play but it was a very cool demo
⏹️ ▶️ Casey it was super cool so was
⏹️ ▶️ Marco imac pro natal next day did they did the quick mac books update but which we pretty much already
⏹️ ▶️ Marco covered i mean you’re welcome see this is what’s nice about the macbook update to cave lake like first of all they did
⏹️ ▶️ Marco all of them well actually even the macbook air
⏹️ ▶️ John megahertz bump same green same everything we increase the clock speed yeah
⏹️ ▶️ Marco but if they went to skylight that’s going to be a big battery boost on the mapper but what’s nice about the map about
⏹️ ▶️ Marco the map update is that the they did it you know cable came out not that long ago
⏹️ ▶️ Marco you know they’re shipping these products on time basically and they’re doing it all and it’s not that big a of
⏹️ ▶️ Marco a deal they didn’t they didn’t like hold everything back until this winter when the imac pro launches or whatever they’re
⏹️ ▶️ Marco not like artificially delaying things
⏹️ ▶️ John they didn’t hold it back until he could get thirty two gigs of ram and either they just said like we’re to it do the updates we can do
⏹️ ▶️ John now and everyone that’s right
⏹️ ▶️ Marco like it’s really nice that were that this is the first step in a potential
⏹️ ▶️ Marco return to regular updates on a healthy schedule for the entire mac lineup this is step one of
⏹️ ▶️ Marco that we’ll see if they can maintain that over time that’d be nice i hope they do but this is the this is indication
⏹️ ▶️ Marco that they’re at least on that path right now and that i’m really glad to see
⏹️ ▶️ Casey yes it was it gray and mike that we’re talking about um you know i want to see like a line
⏹️ ▶️ Casey here yes i don’t want to see just one point where oh yeah they updated great i think that was me but that it
⏹️ ▶️ Casey was also useful i’m i’m so sorry oh excuse me everyone
⏹️ ▶️ Casey my mistake but but the point is still fair right regardless of who made it though the point is that you can start
⏹️ ▶️ Casey to draw a line here and say okay updates are happening with some amount of regularity
⏹️ ▶️ Casey which is a great sign now we’ll see if that stays true for ipad stuff which will get to in a
⏹️ ▶️ Casey minute but i mean this is still a step in the pot in the right direction which is good
⏹️ ▶️ John it in makes me dread when they change the cases again because maybe we could start attributing the delay to that like oh
⏹️ ▶️ John they update them fine when it’s all in the same case but then there’s like this big update where they’re like touch bar
⏹️ ▶️ John and the new form factors and the macbook one i hope the next time they change the form factors there isn’t
⏹️ ▶️ Marco yeah well next speaking of weird gaps they kind of address the mac
⏹️ ▶️ Marco pro need temporarily with the imac pro which we all knew was a thing that was coming
⏹️ ▶️ Marco ever since that briefing they had but for me it was always a big question mark of like what will
⏹️ ▶️ Marco the imac pro have that the mac pro doesn’t and and what would the imac pro have that the regular imac
⏹️ ▶️ Marco doesn’t like where where do they feel this you know how do they balance that and how do they maintain a
⏹️ ▶️ Marco reason for those other two ends of this scale to exist and i still have just
⏹️ ▶️ Marco as many questions now because what they answered
⏹️ ▶️ John up we saw it we saw it in the hands on area in
⏹️ ▶️ Casey space grey oh my god can we just talk about how hot that thing looks that thing looks
⏹️ ▶️ John it was dark in the room i wish i wish it was mat black but i guess they gotta save the map black for the pro by the
⏹️ ▶️ John way on the imac pro let’s think of an alternate universe an alternate universe exists where the imac
⏹️ ▶️ John pro was there going to be their story for pro mac hardware like that’s when this project
⏹️ ▶️ John was conceived the imac pro was conceived there was no plan for the mac pro that they’ve now promised
⏹️ ▶️ John us right so think about that think about imagine a world where apple announces us and
⏹️ ▶️ John they never had the background table and we all look at this and it’s cool and everything but i think people would still be super angry
⏹️ ▶️ John because this is noble i know two people to
⏹️ ▶️ John the people the people who want pro mac i mean some people are still saying this pro mac is not exactly what they want
⏹️ ▶️ John but for a top an imac i think it’s awesome because now we know the other one is coming so this doesn’t need to be all things
⏹️ ▶️ John to all people it needs to be and that’s why it has these these guts in them that are so high end
⏹️ ▶️ John like eighteen curzon and a hundred and twenty eight gigs of ram as is because this was
⏹️ ▶️ John going to be the macro story so your questions i guess are probably like how do they get all that stuff in there
⏹️ ▶️ John is it going to melt how loud is it going to be those are
⏹️ ▶️ Marco these your questions yeah so my biggest quest so basically like the answer like on where they put it on
⏹️ ▶️ Marco the spectrum is they put a mac pro in the imac case like they put z on cpus
⏹️ ▶️ Marco workstation class graphics we think you know high ram ceiling ecc ram big big
⏹️ ▶️ Marco throughput it has dual thunderbolt controllers so it’s like ten days ethernet
⏹️ ▶️ John all the all the highest of the high end features are in there in this little skinny package the one by the way the one
⏹️ ▶️ John in the in the hands on area like it was it was a prototype so i couldn’t tell like what the noise levels are going to be but they
⏹️ ▶️ John had the fans set to max just you know so it’s not not representative harbor but it was so loud in that room
⏹️ ▶️ John i couldn’t tell but definitely there is more air flow coming to that thing that you would expect but
⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco otherwise it does and
⏹️ ▶️ John it just looks like an imac it just looks like an imac it doesn’t didn’t look any thicker to me though
⏹️ ▶️ Marco in fact the acm to mention the corner of their website it said thou adding a millimeter and it all this power
⏹️ ▶️ Casey it but it was not just like an imac did you see how good that thing looked like i want
⏹️ ▶️ Marco i don’t just want the space gray i do i do i
⏹️ ▶️ John just have the magic trackpad too the magic trackpad also comes
⏹️ ▶️ Marco in space gray and the mouse they all come down in space gray and the keyboard is now wireless with a number pad a
⏹️ ▶️ Marco combination that has never adjusted to at supers
⏹️ ▶️ Casey and i asked i asked the person that was doing like the kind of demo ten seconds
⏹️ ▶️ Casey i wasn’t there i walked up right after john and i was like so what switches are these exactly and he said it’s exactly
⏹️ ▶️ Casey like the current magic keyboard which we can all agree is the best keyboard that has ever existed good
⏹️ ▶️ Casey talk all right so now it really does is looks great the the the fan
⏹️ ▶️ Casey output like i put my hand behind the exhaust vent which is in the back unlike the imac
⏹️ ▶️ Casey that we have today if i recall correctly that was moving a lot of air and admittedly like john said it was
⏹️ ▶️ Casey loud in there admittedly we only had but thirty seconds or whatever in front of it but it did not sound
⏹️ ▶️ Casey terribly loud to me at all and it was moving a stunning amount of air for what looked
⏹️ ▶️ Casey to be a little tiny area that that the vent was taken
⏹️ ▶️ John it’s going to be heating up the foot because like it’s blowing back on the little l shaped foot thinking and so that foot is going
⏹️ ▶️ John to get hot and like the actor’s a radiator and slowly warm like if you put a piece of chocolate on the top part of that foot
⏹️ ▶️ John melt into a puddle it’s kind of interesting we weren’t allow to touch it by the way although i did immediately grab the mouse but i
⏹️ ▶️ John basically got my hand slapped um we weren’t allowed to touch it is just for them to look at the only other thing that we asked
⏹️ ▶️ John was relevant is it does have socket and ram that you could see in like the diagram when they showed it in the keynote but there
⏹️ ▶️ John is not user upgradable there is no door you are not supposed to reach in there and so it’s not all side to the board but
⏹️ ▶️ John doesn’t matter you still can’t grade it so order with as much ram as you can afford it after you mortgage your house
⏹️ ▶️ John to buy one of these thing
⏹️ ▶️ Casey yeah so speaking of when i start at five grand start starts at five thousand
⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John but you know
⏹️ ▶️ Marco yeah like if you could figure a mac pro with eight cores and one terrified which is what that base figuration is and thirty
⏹️ ▶️ Marco two ram that’s actually not that ridiculous plus the screen
⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John that’s a good deal
⏹️ ▶️ Marco you get a free screen with it which is nice yeah like that’s i consider that like you know right now today having
⏹️ ▶️ Marco not looked too far into it i yet i consider that pretty reasonable
⏹️ ▶️ Casey so sitting here now we were you guys i should say we because i don’t i’m not going
⏹️ ▶️ Casey to get one of these despite have we talked
⏹️ ▶️ Casey is but i’m curious actually are you guys going to get one of these
⏹️ ▶️ Casey because in a lot of ways on the surface it will obviously mark away but i still
⏹️ ▶️ Casey have to ask chris marker is going to get two of them let’s let’s face it he’s going to get two of the that’s probably true but you
⏹️ ▶️ Casey know this does seem to solve a lot of problems and so on the one side i’m really excited about this for you guys especially
⏹️ ▶️ Casey that it solves a lot of problems and it seems like this is the way of the future but at the same
⏹️ ▶️ Casey time we had that round table where they said no really the way the future is the new mac pro that’ll come sometime between
⏹️ ▶️ Casey now and twenty thirty so this is the marshmallow experiment
⏹️ ▶️ John what’s the name of that one like you offer the kid we can have one marshmallow now if you
⏹️ ▶️ John wait thirty seconds if you have two marsh mouths and the kids like one marsh mouths now so if you can wait
⏹️ ▶️ John until next year or the year after some time after that you can get a mac pro which is going to be probably
⏹️ ▶️ John super awesome just like this is because they’re clearly they’re showing their their willingness to put the best of the best
⏹️ ▶️ John stuff inside a mac they’ve done it here as best they could in his little skinny thing and in the big mac pro it’s going to be even
⏹️ ▶️ John you know so if you can wait for that you will get it if you can’t wait you can plunk down your life savings on this
⏹️ ▶️ Casey is that what you’re going to do are you going to plunk down your life savings on the snow if i
⏹️ ▶️ John like i would love to have one of these i would love to replace my mac with it it looks like a great computer but
⏹️ ▶️ John i bet all of the mac pro even more so i can
⏹️ ▶️ John just keep using my i want to go for i want to go for a decade if i can
⏹️ ▶️ John just keep using my computer for the
⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John younger ears at
⏹️ ▶️ Marco this point you might as well wait
⏹️ ▶️ John i don’t know if we’re to have this pocket in twenty nineteen i still have no computer i swear
⏹️ ▶️ John going to go back in time and buy and i’m a pro right
⏹️ ▶️ Marco now i bet both of those things will be true i bet that is accurate i mean like the
⏹️ ▶️ Marco big question for me which is probably what you’re thinking of also is like well you’re you’re already set on the macro
⏹️ ▶️ Marco for like you know shape and political reasons but like but i’m thinking like
⏹️ ▶️ Marco what is left for the mac pro to do and if you like if you look at this like this really is a lot
⏹️ ▶️ Marco of mac pro type hardware in an imac case like what why should
⏹️ ▶️ Marco the mac pro still exist with this and i only came up with a handful of reasons like my my big one was um
⏹️ ▶️ Marco if you want multiple c cpus or gpus so you know it
⏹️ ▶️ Marco presumably a new mac pro would have to support either dug p at least dug
⏹️ ▶️ Marco sockets and maybe dual cpu sockets that cause otherwise again like why would they exist and then of course you
⏹️ ▶️ Marco know maybe they’d have like another thunderbolt controller like a third one to make more bandwidth total for external
⏹️ ▶️ Marco connections and stuff maybe they’re going to have some kind of eight k story with to display
⏹️ ▶️ Marco two ten ethernet ports yeah and and the big thing also would be presumably
⏹️ ▶️ John reliability just plain reliability modularity like what you’re looking for is we are always quieter
⏹️ ▶️ John and it it doesn’t get stress as much but for pro hardware you want it to just be super reliable
⏹️ ▶️ John you don’t want to be in the edge of the thermal envelope like kept thinking of the thermal corner thing cred we paint ourselves
⏹️ ▶️ John into a thermal corner but the old mac pro look at that map that looks like a hell of a thermal corner like i don’t
⏹️ ▶️ John how much room you have in that thing but here it’s like five hundred w power supply and that’s a lot of
⏹️ ▶️ John energy to to you know to the waste to get out of that system the mac pro
⏹️ ▶️ John should have headroom it should be the type of thing that you can stick either under a
⏹️ ▶️ John desk or on a desk or whoever is going to be in some editing bay and leave it there and it will just be
⏹️ ▶️ John rock solid reliable and quiet ish and that that’s that’s the
⏹️ ▶️ John role and of course it’ll be even more expensive and hopefully also cooler looking like if they’re saving mat black for something
⏹️ ▶️ John you said in the mac pro
⏹️ ▶️ Marco i i think it’s i actually i’m a little bit concerned like why is this
⏹️ ▶️ Marco imac not shipping now is this like could they not get the deep using volume or the gp used custom part like
⏹️ ▶️ John i think it was always going to ship like here’s the thing about the study that we see the now a lot of things a lot more things
⏹️ ▶️ John than usual that are not shipping so it’s kind of like the old thing was like we’re going to tell you things that are shipping in
⏹️ ▶️ John the near future or now and if there’s stuff later we can always have another event about revised whatevers but they just announce
⏹️ ▶️ John everything that they have for this year it seemed like they announced almost everything now even if it’s not shipping
⏹️ ▶️ John until december so it makes for a better keynote i think we ought it makes her better keynote to
⏹️ ▶️ John show the imac pro now then they already told us it’s coming then to wait until december and they’re going to miss
⏹️ ▶️ John the holiday season with it too like it’s just it’s better they i think they learn from the mac pro thing it’s better
⏹️ ▶️ John to let people know what’s coming and show it to them and get them excited about it and it’s you know
⏹️ ▶️ John when it releases everyone will buy it and it’ll be fine there’s no reason they need to have an october event to reveal the
⏹️ ▶️ John imac pros i’m happy they know not
⏹️ ▶️ Casey everyone will be buying it apparently but i’m with you in principle i think to answer your question mark i
⏹️ ▶️ Casey think what about user replaceable stuff like having you your ram that years are replaceable i think to
⏹️ ▶️ Casey me in addition to what you were saying especially about cooling i think the advantage would
⏹️ ▶️ Casey be use a replaceable ram use replaceable storage and user replaceable
⏹️ ▶️ Casey perhaps graphics card or something like that i think that’s where a true mac pro would shine
⏹️ ▶️ Casey and then for people who don’t buy computers and keep them for a decade
⏹️ ▶️ Casey then you can get the imac pro but if you like to have computers that are as old as children
⏹️ ▶️ Casey then you can get a mac pro
⏹️ ▶️ Marco yeah that seems reasonable
⏹️ ▶️ Casey so what else what else in the hardware that was it for the hardware at this point right and we jumped we jumped right into
⏹️ ▶️ Casey seven and right into messages yeah because yeah
⏹️ ▶️ Marco another i did lose the bet that message apps wouldn’t be mentioned at all but not by much
⏹️ ▶️ Marco message apps were slightly mentioned and i’m sure there were some minor improvements to them but for the most part
⏹️ ▶️ Marco i think it’s kind of like on the scale of watch os and t v o s of more than t v i mean everything’s more than
⏹️ ▶️ Marco tv ah but kind of on the same scale watch us of like minor improvements here and there but we didn’t
⏹️ ▶️ Marco like for for this brand new app store an app type that launched only a
⏹️ ▶️ Marco year ago we heard fairly little about it and i think it’s a little bit concerning of people who were making i miss
⏹️ ▶️ Marco japs or who thought that i was going to be
⏹️ ▶️ John they’re dog foin did apple pay as an message up but but i
⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey think this is
⏹️ ▶️ John the most important messages release ever because it’s finally going to work in theory the way that
⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey everyone can thinks of
⏹️ ▶️ John a message should work which is if you send him on some messages on one device and then you go to another device
⏹️ ▶️ John the conversation you just had another device is there with the eye cloud thinking of the message i don’t know how they’re doing
⏹️ ▶️ John that reserving the privacy because the old answer was like oh we can’t do that because it’s an den crafted and we can’t send those messages
⏹️ ▶️ John elsewhere but i just want and i hope they’re like actually chronological and not whatever order they’re
⏹️ ▶️ John in now so if they do that success have a time ordered series of back and forth of text
⏹️ ▶️ John messages between people that is the same on all my devices this will be the most important messages up there
⏹️ ▶️ Casey you know it’s funny because i am not being i am not trying to joke right now but when they were talking about how
⏹️ ▶️ Casey everything sinks across devices i was genuinely confused because that’s kind of that’s pretty much the behavior i
⏹️ ▶️ Casey i was just about to say i stole my joke that i am i must be an eye message unicorn because almost
⏹️ ▶️ Casey always i mean there are definitely hiccups from time to time but almost always that is what happens today and i
⏹️ ▶️ Casey was really surprised to see yet and
⏹️ ▶️ John i just had when i got off the plane i sent a text message to somebody and then
⏹️ ▶️ John their text messages for when i was flying came in below the message i just sent
⏹️ ▶️ John because even though they were like four hours old i want that to go away i want it to just work
⏹️ ▶️ Marco there’s probably also a good security white paper to read about how the heck they did this while also maintaining all
⏹️ ▶️ Marco their end to end encryption style
⏹️ ▶️ John yeah i don’t know it seems like i would be willing to sacrifice the
⏹️ ▶️ John encryption just to get the messages and say because it’s so frustrating to not see your conversations to be the same
⏹️ ▶️ John in both places you know
⏹️ ▶️ Casey another thing that was that was a little weird i have a complaint for the apple a people that i would
⏹️ ▶️ Casey like to air in front of everyone if you’re in the back of the room or towards the back of the room the screen that
⏹️ ▶️ Casey that the presenters are presenting in front of it goes all the way to the floor of the stage like this logo
⏹️ ▶️ Casey behind it yeah kind of like the look of hindus right so it goes to the floor of the stage which means anything that’s happening on
⏹️ ▶️ Casey the bottom like quarter of the screen unless you’re in the first ten or fifteen rows you have no freaking clue what
⏹️ ▶️ John i like the prices like the prices and stuff in the box you could see the back of
⏹️ ▶️ John people’s heads and then everyone’s craning their necks it wasn’t a great set up they’ll they’ll fix the next year
⏹️ ▶️ Casey well this is why it’s always been and maybe we just made a porch
⏹️ ▶️ John little bit higher in moscow and in presidio the screen is a little bit higher
⏹️ ▶️ Marco they’re like hanging it from the ceiling and presidio that was never a problem but
⏹️ ▶️ Casey set out on the front screen
⏹️ ▶️ Casey, Marco the front screen front of the room
⏹️ ▶️ Casey all right so ios eleven it had messages improvements i am really stoked about the
⏹️ ▶️ Casey peer to peer apple pay i don’t know how much that’s going to blow up but like a lot of my
⏹️ ▶️ Casey family and friends use iphones and so for that it’ll be super simple i’m
⏹️ ▶️ Casey curious to see what the extract from apple pay kind of workflow is you know how clunky
⏹️ ▶️ Casey is it to get it into your bank do you have to just associate a debit card and then that’s just magic
⏹️ ▶️ Casey i think that’ll be fine but i
⏹️ ▶️ John mean i’m just curious to see they’re competing with their competing with like dala and square and other companies that have a similar experience
⏹️ ▶️ John that i don’t think they’re going to be worse but it is kind of fragmenting the payment ecosystem now cause i mean it
⏹️ ▶️ John already was fragment if you try to send somebody money you have to go through this little dancers do you have square you we wall are you willing
⏹️ ▶️ John to sign up an account for any of these now so to like below vendo you have yeah do you have apple pay will
⏹️ ▶️ John work it out i mean if you go to this conference next year everyone will be giving each other money for meals on apple pay so that’ll
⏹️ ▶️ Casey it’ll be pretty nice so series still a thing it is more and more things over time there’s
⏹️ ▶️ Casey new voices which are good a translation which does look super cool
⏹️ ▶️ Casey but what i’m a little concerned with is so i can say in some arbitrary other language you
⏹️ ▶️ Casey know hey where’s the bathroom but what happens when they reply like
⏹️ ▶️ Casey to way way way way way
⏹️ ▶️ John that on the abstr right will take their text to take their speech and translate it for
⏹️ ▶️ Marco it guess probably they probably made by google but like yeah that’s a good point when i saw the feature
⏹️ ▶️ Marco i’m like oh that’ll be great for travel i didn’t even think about i what i do with the response
⏹️ ▶️ Marco like it not sure hand on the phone and have them hold the button down right and record their response and then
⏹️ ▶️ Casey and i’m not trying to rain on the parade i’m really not like it’s an amazing feature and i’m sure it’s going to be super cool
⏹️ ▶️ Casey but if it’s only one way communication it only takes you but so far it
⏹️ ▶️ Casey only takes you one way and that’s
⏹️ ▶️ Marco all we are americans traveling to places that do that don’t speak english so it is kind of our style
⏹️ ▶️ Marco to just yell at people and not except not have any kind of restaurants
⏹️ ▶️ Casey part that is a fair point but there’s there’s not i don’t recall seeing
⏹️ ▶️ Casey very much siri kit for you
⏹️ ▶️ John for people to pause on that slide that had all the new non did you ever get that info i yeah i did there’s
⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John but there’s i mean and this
⏹️ ▶️ Marco was this was actually a big disappointment for me that that there was no like sirikit expansion into audio
⏹️ ▶️ Marco type services so that i could use it for overcast and people can use it for things like spotify and everything and i think
⏹️ ▶️ Marco you know last year when when this was not present the theory we came up with was well
⏹️ ▶️ Marco it’s probably because they just didn’t get to it but it might be to protect and
⏹️ ▶️ Marco enhance apple music because that’s giving up music a big advantage in in syria and having an integration
⏹️ ▶️ Marco that will drive subscription to apple music over the competitors so this year as another year goes by and
⏹️ ▶️ Marco it’s not there i still think those are the two explanations but just like the rat like the probabilities
⏹️ ▶️ Marco shifted a little bit where like they might have still just not gotten to it the things they added the list
⏹️ ▶️ Marco was not very long so maybe they just didn’t get to it yet because it is a big job you do have to have some kind of
⏹️ ▶️ Marco way to like you know index the content of the audio service so that they know even what to how to
⏹️ ▶️ Marco pass things to know what people were talking about so like i’d have to have some kind of you know indexing extension
⏹️ ▶️ Marco for them to index all the shows and overcast for like in the whole online surface and things like that so that
⏹️ ▶️ Marco is a lot for them to build there’s parts of it there already but there’s a lot that’s a lot to build so maybe they just didn’t
⏹️ ▶️ Marco get to it but they are also still a really you know apple music is still
⏹️ ▶️ Marco in a pretty good place now because it has siri integration and nothing else does and as they go into things like the
⏹️ ▶️ Marco homepod it’s going to have you know a similar effect of like well if you want to use extra music
⏹️ ▶️ Marco with this new speaker that you want to buy from apple you can only use apple music with it basically so
⏹️ ▶️ Marco that is i think again they might have just not gotten to it yet
⏹️ ▶️ Marco but as more time goes on that they don’t add this fairly obvious feature that
⏹️ ▶️ Marco a lot of people want i think the answer is going to be much more likely to just be yet they just want to have
⏹️ ▶️ Marco that app music only but
⏹️ ▶️ John but what intense did they add like they might just be doing it in priority order obviously your priority is audio but maybe they’re doing like
⏹️ ▶️ John the most they think like the most common ones the ones that have the most as the most users and they’re working their way down the list getting
⏹️ ▶️ Marco eventually right and and it’s again it’s like that’s it depends on how long they go before before this happens like
⏹️ ▶️ Marco how you how you evaluate this they didn’t honestly they didn’t add as much as i thought they would this year i thought there would be
⏹️ ▶️ Marco a large expansion of seri kitten tents and there really wasn’t there were like three or four of them and they were you know
⏹️ ▶️ Marco fairly basic type thing things so my whole prediction of this being like an all syria
⏹️ ▶️ Marco heavy keynote was mostly wrong uh because they really it really was not as much about series
⏹️ ▶️ John right about one thing though like i was totally expecting them especially with the homepod business i was expecting them to say
⏹️ ▶️ John syria is massively improved like we have made series so much better it’s smarter and like just
⏹️ ▶️ John call it siri too or like really promoting the idea that siri it doesn’t do things that
⏹️ ▶️ John are silly as it currently does but they didn’t and your member like last week you were like i don’t think they’re you know
⏹️ ▶️ John it’s going to be the same old seri and aside from new capabilities like obviously a whole new vocabulary we’re talking
⏹️ ▶️ John about music to work with the apple music thing right is right but what about all the other things that we currently ask
⏹️ ▶️ John before the show people were sharing screenshots of them asking when when is the keynote when is the apple
⏹️ ▶️ John event so on and so forth and i think someone said as elite said when is the the
⏹️ ▶️ John the apple keynote and it said you know june fifth or whatever like what time does it start and said june fifth and
⏹️ ▶️ John other people said oh you just got to ask it the right way when is the apple event and it gave all the info down to the time right
⏹️ ▶️ John then people followed up that with the exact same text asking the syria the same question sir i don’t
⏹️ ▶️ John know and so there’s nothing in here that says we have massively improved
⏹️ ▶️ John siri they have expanded siri to be able to do more things by extending its vocabulary
⏹️ ▶️ John adding a few intents and putting it at homepod but it seems like it’s the same old series they seem to be
⏹️ ▶️ John happy with series understanding of things and i really i really think they need to
⏹️ ▶️ John i mean obviously you can do the marketing push without the tech but i think they need to improve the tech i would love to have a conversation
⏹️ ▶️ John with siri i would love to go back and forth to be able to correct syria to have it learn to have it just just darn
⏹️ ▶️ Marco yeah and also to be more reliable and to be more consistent like that’s the one thing where
⏹️ ▶️ Marco you know we’ll get to do with homepod later but like they that like that’s one area where syria has always been
⏹️ ▶️ Marco a little behind competitors just reliability and consistency in the responses and and you know
⏹️ ▶️ Marco getting it right every time that’s
⏹️ ▶️ John why people love posed to screenshots because as soon as someone has a comeback like oh i asked it and it got the thing
⏹️ ▶️ John right someone just mealy thought i asked the exact same question and how and we’re sitting next to each other in a room it’s not
⏹️ ▶️ John like we’re in different countries like what very frustrating so it makes you want to use it less if we’ll get that
⏹️ ▶️ John with the home pot stuff and talk about that but we talked about with the cylinders if it doesn’t do what you want you stop
⏹️ ▶️ John asking it that question because it’s not worth your time and potential self consciousness to
⏹️ ▶️ John talk to your device and have it come back to you in a way that is not satisfactory to say oh i’m not going
⏹️ ▶️ Casey sensor was the year of ipads and it was the year of codex because not only is there h e v c like
⏹️ ▶️ Casey we talked about earlier which is going to be used for iphone captured videos but he is what
⏹️ ▶️ Casey they call you that that’s what it was yeah that’s that’s replacing jpeg apparently
⏹️ ▶️ Casey which in an of itself like that sounds good especially if you know it’s better in every measurable
⏹️ ▶️ Casey way but it needs to be adopted everywhere like jpeg is and i presume
⏹️ ▶️ Casey overtime it will and they may mention the sate of the union that it’s like an iso standard or something like that
⏹️ ▶️ John it’s not the apple proprietary thing is people warning it’s not something they invented and and i think they had a good
⏹️ ▶️ John story about compatibility like that yeah we’re using this internally it takes up the big selling point which they
⏹️ ▶️ John emphasize a little bit is your phone won’t fill with videos and photos as fast because
⏹️ ▶️ John they’ll be smaller and also by the way they’ll be like nice quality and at the same time
⏹️ ▶️ John they’re smaller so that’s a great product story because that’s a common problem people have with filling their phone
⏹️ ▶️ John up with stuff but then the story is okay well how do i share them and they’re they’re going to be super conservative you if
⏹️ ▶️ John you send your heat thing anywhere else if you email it to somebody if you try to import it to another
⏹️ ▶️ John ap if you send it in messages anything like that then it converts on the fly to jpeg at that point and
⏹️ ▶️ John you don’t get the big win unless everybody switches to heath but i don’t know if they will but even if it’s just
⏹️ ▶️ John on device just if heath never leaves your device is just on device and may be sinking with photos that is still
⏹️ ▶️ John a big win for the product because no one else is doing that their phones are going to fill up with photos faster than apples of the
⏹️ ▶️ Casey additionally a depth api for those of you who use the preposterously oversized ridiculous
⏹️ ▶️ Casey phone that you shouldn’t use ah so that’s kind of exciting it’s going to come to our phone this fall venture
⏹️ ▶️ Casey um but that’s kind of cool i’m curious to see all snark aside i think that is one of the more interesting
⏹️ ▶️ Casey apis that they’ve made mention of so far because i think there could be some really cool
⏹️ ▶️ Casey and clever stuff done with that i don’t know exactly what that would be otherwise i would probably be
⏹️ ▶️ Casey back in writing it right now because that’s clearly the way to a billion dollars but uh but
⏹️ ▶️ Casey i’m really anxious to see you it’s happening with depth now with depth but
⏹️ ▶️ Casey i’m really curious to see kind of where that goes and what what what all of you folks do with it because i think it
⏹️ ▶️ Casey could be really powerful and really interesting a control center is better now
⏹️ ▶️ Casey it’s one page which is so exciting because i cannot tell you we can cheer
⏹️ ▶️ Casey for that that’s cool i cheer for that i cannot tell you the amount
⏹️ ▶️ Casey of times i will swipe up and then swipe left or right immediately because i feel like anytime
⏹️ ▶️ Casey i open control center i am inevitably on the wrong page it is like a bool that that’s the
⏹️ ▶️ Casey way it works so that’s really
⏹️ ▶️ John cool the biggest problem with control center i would imagine that apple apple notice and we don’t how many people don’t
⏹️ ▶️ John even know there’s another screen in control like and especially if that person’s phone somehow
⏹️ ▶️ John gets switched to the other screen and they’re like i can’t my volume control is gone where did it go like they don’t see the
⏹️ ▶️ John little dots i bet that’s one of the big reasons why they change it is not discoverable and yes for the people
⏹️ ▶️ John who do know it is is frustrating but having it all in one and especially if it doesn’t take up your whole screen like they have the room
⏹️ ▶️ John to make it bigger and from what i saw it like you can customize control center and sort of decide what you want
⏹️ ▶️ John on your one screen i’m not sure how much it scales like can you put like all the widgets and your control center
⏹️ ▶️ John fills up the whole screen but definitely an improvement
⏹️ ▶️ Casey yeah underscore david smith i don’t know if he’s here somewhere but he put he put the is leven
⏹️ ▶️ Casey beta onto an iphone six and i got to play with it very briefly and i was mostly playing with control
⏹️ ▶️ Casey center and it worked really well and they did a really good job of kind of the foe three touch
⏹️ ▶️ Casey or force touch whatever it’s called i forget what it’s called this minute but anyway so if you if you
⏹️ ▶️ Casey tap on like the panel that has wifi and bluetooth and stuff like that if you deep press
⏹️ ▶️ Casey on that on a more modern iphone it will immediately snap to you know the expanded blown
⏹️ ▶️ Casey up view where it has text in it there’s a few other controls and on an iphone six or you know one of
⏹️ ▶️ Casey one of these ones without force touch then what it’ll end up doing is if you just tap and hold on
⏹️ ▶️ Casey that pain i think i had a name for it didn’t they forget what they were calling it but anyway if you tap and hold on
⏹️ ▶️ Casey that just for a moment it’ll blow it up as though you had deep touched it which i thought was really well executed
⏹️ ▶️ Casey it looks visually it looks good ish like i feel like it’s a little haphazard
⏹️ ▶️ Casey but by and large i’m okay with the design um but i am super apt to use it because
⏹️ ▶️ Casey i think it is way more functional than what we’ve got and i use control center constantly so
⏹️ ▶️ Casey i’m really excited
⏹️ ▶️ John it’s it’s function over form finally was like the old controls looked more elegant there’s like a thin line with a tiny
⏹️ ▶️ John little thing on and even though the the touch area for the tiny little ball among like your volume control or like
⏹️ ▶️ John or brightness slider or whatever the hit area that was probably bigger look small and delicate look better in screenshots
⏹️ ▶️ John this looks kind of dorky in screenshots but the giant bars that you fill right that’s
⏹️ ▶️ John that’s like the size of your finger it is it’s like the oxo good grips of control control
⏹️ ▶️ John we don’t care how it looks it’s like it is a big chunky thing put your thumb in here and when you slide it you’ll be clear
⏹️ ▶️ John how much white is filling the bar and you can even zoom in to a bigger mode to make it fill your entire screen so i this
⏹️ ▶️ John you know it doesn’t look as nice as screenshots maybe johnny is on vacationers too busy to design door handles but
⏹️ ▶️ Casey you all this better you are always on vacation in california i write everyone i mean that’s
⏹️ ▶️ Casey, John kind of how he lives in
⏹️ ▶️ Casey england now right i don’t know what was
⏹️ ▶️ John in the audience anyway
⏹️ ▶️ Casey fight me all right oh lock center and notification center are now merged and
⏹️ ▶️ Casey i don’t know what to think about this i did not get a chance to play with that on underscores phone the way they
⏹️ ▶️ Casey demoed it it looked pretty good to me but i’m going to be perturbed
⏹️ ▶️ Casey if i swipe down to see past notifications and then swipe up to go back to what i was doing and then
⏹️ ▶️ Casey immediately have to like reauthorize myself and use touch id again
⏹️ ▶️ Marco i don’t think it’s how it works
⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John that’s the thing i’m not sure
⏹️ ▶️ John showing you the lock screen but you haven’t re locked your phone and the promise i confess that
⏹️ ▶️ John i am very bad at dealing with notifications i don’t understand where notifications go
⏹️ ▶️ John see them and then how do i say where and i will like dismiss them or read them and then
⏹️ ▶️ John i want to see that notification in i’m hoping what this does is make it so notifications or in a single
⏹️ ▶️ John place and they stay there forever and i can just scroll scroll scroll and go back through them at any time i’m not sure if
⏹️ ▶️ John that’s true but that would be a usability improvement for me because having notifications on multi places and having them
⏹️ ▶️ John sort of i don’t know auto dismissed themselves or they they go off into the cornfield i don’t know where i don’t know
⏹️ ▶️ John where they go but i can’t i can’t find them again and it’s frustrating yeah
⏹️ ▶️ Marco i mean it seems like every for the last few i s releases they’ve messed with the lock screen
⏹️ ▶️ Marco versus notification center because you know ever since touch id got super fast it got kind of weird and then
⏹️ ▶️ Marco they tried messing with it another way ast year and now this year’s been messing with it a different way they’re just trying to
⏹️ ▶️ Marco solve the problem of how do you make these things continue to be sensible with
⏹️ ▶️ Marco hardware advances and new ui trends and as people as they seem to get more advanced in everything so i think
⏹️ ▶️ Marco you know this is like the annual messing with the lock screen type thing and
⏹️ ▶️ Marco well whatever it is it’s probably fine and we’re all going to get used to it in like a day and there’s going to be a lot of complaining
⏹️ ▶️ Marco but everyone get used to it
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⏹️ ▶️ John maybe you should invite people into your house and have them stare at you while you do the ad reads the show normally because
⏹️ ▶️ John you just nail three and right no three in a row well
⏹️ ▶️ Casey done sir well die that that does not
⏹️ ▶️ Casey happen that often so that’s super exciting all right we got we got to pick up pace because we got a lot more to talk about so i’m going to
⏹️ ▶️ Casey try to speed run through some stuff live photos has motion smoothing things looping they didn’t
⏹️ ▶️ Casey i don’t believe have the like what is that google lap that was super cool he is super cool that
⏹️ ▶️ Casey will take your motion photo that’s kind of blowing it around and kind of lock it
⏹️ ▶️ Casey, Marco i think they
⏹️ ▶️ Marco actually did that do
⏹️ ▶️ Marco, Casey that does does
⏹️ ▶️ Marco a few different features it does that it does like the the cinemagraph kind of thing where you have like a motion thing that kind of freezes
⏹️ ▶️ Marco the background and they also had the long exposure thing which kind of looks like that but still version there were a
⏹️ ▶️ Marco few different movements pretty cool so
⏹️ ▶️ John here’s my question about live photos which don’t have n anwer to it because if they want a w i c i think that
⏹️ ▶️ John they’re using heat for live photo live photos and that every single frame of it is
⏹️ ▶️ John an a h to six five compressed think like that’s why you can pick a key frame you know how now we have
⏹️ ▶️ John like a high res jpeg and and this really low quality like you know mpeg animation for the live picture
⏹️ ▶️ John animation you would never want to say oh i want to replace my still image with a frame from the crappy low
⏹️ ▶️ John res video and a live picture it seems to me that in the new thing that it takes a series of seventeen
⏹️ ▶️ John you know or twenty pictures or whatever how long it is and every single one of them is exactly as if you’ve taken a photo
⏹️ ▶️ John from from your camera and that’s why you can choose which frame you want it could be there just letting you choose
⏹️ ▶️ John a key frame and f you choose that one your thing looks all bury and gross but i really hope that live photos are
⏹️ ▶️ John now heath containers and every single frame of them is max quality because that would be awesome
⏹️ ▶️ Marco yeah that would be really nice and that might depend on new hardware to be able to like dump image
⏹️ ▶️ Marco data of the sensor at that speed at that resolution reliably but if they can do any part of
⏹️ ▶️ Marco that you know they can just increase the frame rate or increase the resolution of the video segment on older hardware
⏹️ ▶️ Marco on current phones or older phone that would be an awesome improvement and
⏹️ ▶️ John they do have they’re going to have hardware support for age two six five on existing phones so they could do the old
⏹️ ▶️ John way which i will take one really good j pager heat image at super high res and then take an e two six five
⏹️ ▶️ John video at higher res because now we can do that just to make you know to make life photos nicer because
⏹️ ▶️ John very often life photos are really cute but the live photo we part like the animated part is so much lower
⏹️ ▶️ John as and lower quality than the still image that is kind of
⏹️ ▶️ Casey disappointing so my speed run is going excellently a syria giving you it always does
⏹️ ▶️ Casey it always does syria giving is giving you things this is air quote series giving you things from other apps
⏹️ ▶️ Casey and other in other places i use the example of some place in iceland that i’m not going to try to pronounce so quote
⏹️ ▶️ Casey unquote siri will see you interacting with like a web page about iceland and then when you try to type
⏹️ ▶️ Casey that same name and an eye message it’ll auto suggest it look cool some machine learning stuff
⏹️ ▶️ John also it’ll it’ll rat you out to apple news because your what apple news but like do you on some stories about iceland it’s like
⏹️ ▶️ John how do you know i’m interested in iceland apple news that was a little creepy i
⏹️ ▶️ Marco, Casey that was i had
⏹️ ▶️ Casey a little google a little aggressive little aggressive right some maps has internal maps of malls which
⏹️ ▶️ Casey aren’t going to exist in two years and it also has
⏹️ ▶️ John opening retail store so that
⏹️ ▶️ Casey it’s nothing but apple stores and then internal or airport maps of the inside of the airport terminal maps that supercool
⏹️ ▶️ Casey on my airport of course not of course do not disturb while
⏹️ ▶️ Casey driving two thumbs up i think that’s
⏹️ ▶️ John going to be on by the fault because
⏹️ ▶️ Casey, Marco i think it is
⏹️ ▶️ Casey i mean this is the in thing like that i mean that genuinely great
⏹️ ▶️ John who’s a lauding and you can all turn it on on your phones and like have everyone who takes you get that rude message back that says
⏹️ ▶️ John i’m driving now i’ll get you i’ll send you like
⏹️ ▶️ Marco i think this is but again this is kind of like the apple watch like annoyance of notification thing like
⏹️ ▶️ Marco this is the kind of thing that’s an awesome thing to do it’s i assume it’s going to be on by default which is even
⏹️ ▶️ Marco more awesome the my only hesitation of judging it is like will people leave it on
⏹️ ▶️ Marco in enough volume to matter and i think we all should you know let’s get started with our audience that that’s like a lot of people
⏹️ ▶️ Marco right there let’s get started and let’s leave it
⏹️ ▶️ John then the mom tries to text you and gets this rude message back and thinks you wrote it because there’s no indication in the
⏹️ ▶️ John u i that you are literally not typing that and she’s going to say well if you’re driving how did you have time to write me this
⏹️ ▶️ John dramatically correct correctly punctuated sentence they should know it’s not you because everything is spelled right
⏹️ ▶️ Marco at a stop light i was going to say like is your mom really liked that but i thought well actually i don’t know your mom but
⏹️ ▶️ Marco she produced you and the
⏹️ ▶️ John then she sent me a grammar correction for a reason
⏹️ ▶️ Casey no way you don’t say so yes so we’re all going to we’re all friends here and we’re
⏹️ ▶️ Casey all going to agree to leave do not deserve our driving on i also thought it’s visually a little bit kind
⏹️ ▶️ Casey of cheesy and ham fisted but the thing where you can say you can reply and i guess
⏹️ ▶️ Casey if you have an urgent message you it’ll say hey if you’re this is really urgent replied
⏹️ ▶️ Casey with the word urgent and the phone will let that bubble through
⏹️ ▶️ John let your friends immediately type urgent to tell you i caught this new pokemon it’s totally urgent
⏹️ ▶️ John like what is urgent really you can give them if you tell
⏹️ ▶️ John bypass it and then you’re going to look at your phone and see that they caught a new magic car and you’re going to crash to
⏹️ ▶️ Casey well hopefully your friends are nice enough to know to know that they’re taking your life into their hand
⏹️ ▶️ Marco friends sound like jerks
⏹️ ▶️ Casey that’s so this took a dark turn okay so
⏹️ ▶️ Casey a home it speakers airplay two is a thing
⏹️ ▶️ John kind of telegraphing the end of the keynote
⏹️ ▶️ Marco the yeah but yeah they have homekit now supports a speaker type homekit was not renamed
⏹️ ▶️ Marco to syria i lost that bet as well i mean i lost all my predictions but but yeah they have multi room
⏹️ ▶️ Marco audio that’s presumably synced up and everything like sonos not the first time they took a dig at sonos
⏹️ ▶️ Marco during his keynote ah but not surprising and i mean they actually had multi romario with
⏹️ ▶️ Marco the itunes share thing forever ago um so yeah it’s you know pretty nice i’m
⏹️ ▶️ Marco looking forward to their being the a p i for that for third party devs to presumably control
⏹️ ▶️ Marco that’s actually like the only thing on the overcast like to do list so far of things i should integrate this summer
⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John i was expecting some services
⏹️ ▶️ John just as they go out of business good job market
⏹️ ▶️ John they have a slide or somebody tweeted something and said they had a list of all the devices that support airplane
⏹️ ▶️ John too are all the manufacturers that are going to support airplane too so you can use this new better protocol to talk to them and sonos
⏹️ ▶️ John was not on that list it
⏹️ ▶️ Marco isn’t word airplay one either so to do it to do so sons on an airplane you basically have to like have an airport express
⏹️ ▶️ Marco that you have run into the ox jack of a quite pricey sonos bridge product that has
⏹️ ▶️ Marco an an oxen put and then the main problem with that is that then airplay has
⏹️ ▶️ Marco a two second lag sonos adds its own lag also for like another second or so so anything
⏹️ ▶️ Marco it’s like like moving through maple syrup you like hit pause and then three seconds later it pauses it’s not a great experience
⏹️ ▶️ Casey it’s not a sweet solution is it so the ghost of ping is back
⏹️ ▶️ John that’s exciting isn’t it that the cousin of connect is because we didn’t we said connect connect
⏹️ ▶️ John is not like ping it’s i don’t i can’t keep track of their social yeah
⏹️ ▶️ Marco artists and youtube for artists but neither but both fitter and you tube are way more popular than it
⏹️ ▶️ Marco was and is it is connect still there or did they replace it with whatever this new
⏹️ ▶️ John thing here the thing is i’ll show you what your friends are listening to your friends are listening to this your friends listening that where
⏹️ ▶️ John is it getting your friends from does apple have a social graph i mean they have the on your contacts
⏹️ ▶️ John but i mean that’s what i’m saying is another attempt for apple to say please create a new social
⏹️ ▶️ John graph on the social network that we apple are created and it will totally be here six months from now and people don’t
⏹️ ▶️ John want to make a new social graph it could get them from twitter it can’t really get them from contacts you have family which is
⏹️ ▶️ John used for a lot of things but that’s not you don’t want to see what your family’s listening to so and no one wants to see what i’m listening
⏹️ ▶️ John is marco just fish nothing but fish all
⏹️ ▶️ Casey day long hardcore string constant yeah seriously it really could be a music hits who developers
⏹️ ▶️ Casey will have access to apple music and high club library which is really cool pretty cool uh maybe i
⏹️ ▶️ Casey missed something but phil was really am about the new app store
⏹️ ▶️ Casey and i’m really not like i don’t
⏹️ ▶️ John because we just we just care of the search works and he didn’t
⏹️ ▶️ John that so we don’t know like i guess if you’re an a developer it’s cool if you get featured right and you have this
⏹️ ▶️ John big thing and your pages look nicer and they’ll be there’ll be sessions during the week to say here’s how you can support
⏹️ ▶️ John more stuff like one of them had like a little award like this little film what do you call it
⏹️ ▶️ John film festival thing with the little ivy leaves or whatever they’re supposed to be around you could say this is it someone
⏹️ ▶️ John in the audience said but i didn’t hear it laurel’s there there you get you
⏹️ ▶️ John there probably is an a b i to put up the awards or some sort of thing that you’re a one at the top of your page
⏹️ ▶️ John my own awards and put them there yeah
⏹️ ▶️ Marco all right this that’s going to quickly become useless if that’s
⏹️ ▶️ John what it is and also by the way that you know the safari blocks auto playing video but as you
⏹️ ▶️ John scroll through the new app store app playing video and i’m pretty
⏹️ ▶️ John sure safari’s not blocking that one anyway i think it’ll be fine you know what was your prediction was that
⏹️ ▶️ John they were revise the mac a star which is quite a laugh about that as that was a
⏹️ ▶️ John shot i said so maybe they did i mean they didn’t show a lot of macs high sierra might have a totally re
⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco did they show
⏹️ ▶️ Marco is i can’t believe it’s called that did they show
⏹️ ▶️ Marco, Casey i really like
⏹️ ▶️ Marco that i’m not i’m not used to it yet i don’t know if i ever will be that
⏹️ ▶️ John i’m glad they revise the astor but it’s fine it looks it looks better than the old one and maybe the search will be better
⏹️ ▶️ Marco this is the kind of it’s like we’re not really going to know how it affects developers until
⏹️ ▶️ Marco it’s out there because it’s going to change everything we know that it’s going to change things like click through rates
⏹️ ▶️ Marco and how effective search is or isn’t for us it’s going to change purchase rates and all it’s going to change
⏹️ ▶️ Marco a lot because the entire eye is different the information density is way lower there’s
⏹️ ▶️ Marco way fewer apps on screen at once that’s going to be a big effect in some direction the value of
⏹️ ▶️ Marco being featured is probably going to be way higher because those are fewer at a
⏹️ ▶️ Marco time and there it’s like a more in your face future i do really like that they separate
⏹️ ▶️ Marco out games and as that’s really nice for both people you know both types of at makers
⏹️ ▶️ Marco there because if you’re looking for one you’re probably not looking for the other at the same time so that should help
⏹️ ▶️ Marco people rousing both places to have separate charts separate features and not have to worry about like you know seeing
⏹️ ▶️ Marco the kind of thing you’re not lookin for with
⏹️ ▶️ Casey yet there were a bunch of other things that that were on the you know the screen of words where summer white
⏹️ ▶️ Casey and summer gray and the word cloud yeah the word cloud and like schedule a call that’s intra
⏹️ ▶️ Marco of like new like reset
⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John to be moving
⏹️ ▶️ John on from the appstore already because there’s one other major features of the new appstore that correct
⏹️ ▶️ John me for wrong but this is new in that purchases are viewable on the ap app store as separately
⏹️ ▶️ John purchasable things like they’re in that purchases that are not in ap this seems like a big deal because
⏹️ ▶️ John so the theory goes that in that purchases represent a lot of money and you can only see
⏹️ ▶️ John them if you’re in the app but now if you i presume if you have an app and the app offers
⏹️ ▶️ John in and out purchase you will see that as a separately purchasable item in the app store that seems like
⏹️ ▶️ John you know a big way to get more money for and at purchases to remind people if they go there oh by the way that
⏹️ ▶️ John apt that you haven’t launched has an innate purchase and it might bring you back into the apple met you buy something that seems like a big
⏹️ ▶️ Casey yes so speedrun is still doing well so speaking of me
⏹️ ▶️ Casey it’s a thing sounds cool arkit it’s a thing sounds quite hold on no no no
⏹️ ▶️ Marco we’re not going to do that fast come on
⏹️ ▶️ Casey i’m trying guys i’m trying i mean
⏹️ ▶️ Marco like this this is all like this is one of those like we can’t wait to see what you do with the kind of things where that actually makes sense like
⏹️ ▶️ Marco most people can’t off the top of their head name a cool app that doesn’t yet exist that this now makes
⏹️ ▶️ Marco possible but there are a lot of them and it’s the kind of thing we’re like you’re going to have some idea or you’re going to
⏹️ ▶️ Marco hear some idea person’s awful idea and you’re going to say oh yeah but that would take
⏹️ ▶️ Marco like a hundred people staff and two hundred million dollars and it isn’t even possible in the a p i wait
⏹️ ▶️ Marco it is now possible in the a p i now you can see the two hundred million dollars in the big staff
⏹️ ▶️ John it’ll it’ll work out great they had pokemongo is a perfect example which was already doing a r a bad job of it
⏹️ ▶️ John you know but not that it’s a core part of the game but they would try to make our pokemon look he’s on the side he’s bouncing all over the place
⏹️ ▶️ John now he’ll be firmly planted on the sidewalk i’m sure they was seriously pokemon go experience
⏹️ ▶️ Casey hooray everyone’s still playing that right yeah totally i also thought the devil was really cool
⏹️ ▶️ Casey and very firefly ask which of course spoke to me that was pretty exciting but it does look
⏹️ ▶️ Casey cool but i think we should probably skip forward to the ipad yes and
⏹️ ▶️ Casey there is there is a new ipad so moving on kidding i’m just kidding
⏹️ ▶️ Casey but now there is a new ipad interestingly so the the the new tenancy pad does look really
⏹️ ▶️ Casey cool and the ipad features of i s eleven did really appeal to me and this
⏹️ ▶️ Casey drag some of the dragon drops off will it which will get to in a second looks phenomenal the one thing
⏹️ ▶️ Casey about the the ten inch ipad though is that we are all kind of concluded and it
⏹️ ▶️ Casey was dan provo to put this together i believe a few months ago that what they would end up doing is
⏹️ ▶️ Casey making an ipad that was the same resolution if i remember right i might be butchering the details here
⏹️ ▶️ Casey the same resolution as the twelve point nine inch whatever it is i pedro so you can basically have two ipad mini side
⏹️ ▶️ Casey by side and that’s what this ten inch will be and that will get that by shrinking bezels john
⏹️ ▶️ Casey a shrinking basil’s and doing all that sort of magic but it’s actually an in between resolution
⏹️ ▶️ Casey between the the nine point whatever inch ipad pro then this which is
⏹️ ▶️ Casey in the middle and the twelve inch ipad pro which is fine it seems like they’ve kept
⏹️ ▶️ Casey the density the same they’re just clipping the edge of the screen in a slightly different spot but that seems
⏹️ ▶️ Casey weird to me like how is it going to work with size classes this is just a peculiar your
⏹️ ▶️ Marco choice it’ll be fine i mean i’m actually kind of glad they did that because i think
⏹️ ▶️ Marco having the full twelve point nine resolution in that side scream would have made things a little bit small a
⏹️ ▶️ Marco little bit small tux targets a little bit small text for some people and so i think they probably
⏹️ ▶️ Marco made the right choice on that but i’m also very happy to see with this model and with the new
⏹️ ▶️ Marco twelve non update which i did not expect to happen that there’s now no there’s no other
⏹️ ▶️ Marco like glaring as far as i know yet there’s no other like glaring differences between those
⏹️ ▶️ Marco two sizes like you know last time it was like well the twelve nine had u s b three and fast charging
⏹️ ▶️ Marco and the nine seven had the better screen and the true tone and like there there were like these these weird differences
⏹️ ▶️ Marco that they had now they all seemed to have the same features just two different sizes of the same
⏹️ ▶️ Marco features i didn’t and that’s
⏹️ ▶️ John really nice i didn’t get to look at the twelve point nine which by the way i’m also glad that they’re still doing twelve point nine no they have a reason
⏹️ ▶️ John because it is a different res but the ten point five no headphone jack what no a phone jack
⏹️ ▶️ John that i could find i held it in my hand someone can look on the website now and look it up and i held it in my hands and i wrote it around
⏹️ ▶️ John and i did not find a headphone
⏹️ ▶️ John maybe i missed it they also moved like the volume control and the power button really close to the corners of the
⏹️ ▶️ John of the device like they’re really up i don’t know why they do that to see what the inside of the thing looks like the sim slot is way down in one
⏹️ ▶️ John of the corners as well but anyway if you’re if you’re afraid that the ten point five is going to feel too big if you have a current nine point
⏹️ ▶️ John seven handling it just you know without a case by itself it didn’t feel that bad like i think that’s the next i
⏹️ ▶️ John got the size i will buy probably have no choice cause they’re not going to make a nine point seven pro i’m assuming going forward but
⏹️ ▶️ John it is a nice compromise size it is bigger better faster but not it doesn’t feel like
⏹️ ▶️ John a lunch tray um who knows maybe i’ll maybe i’ll miss the nine point seven as time goes on and they made the
⏹️ ▶️ John little like weight wise it felt kind of the same it’s really hard to tell but if you’re afraid
⏹️ ▶️ John that the ten point five is going to be too huge don’t be afraid to go to your apple store visit and try it out i think i think
⏹️ ▶️ John it will be extremely popular among the same crowd that bought the nine point seven pro
⏹️ ▶️ Marco yeah it’s going to be like this is the new ipad that you should probably get like unless you really want one
⏹️ ▶️ Marco of those sizes it’s you either get like the old decrepit mini or you can get the
⏹️ ▶️ Marco massive long tray or maybe but if you if you really if you really don’t have any
⏹️ ▶️ Marco like specific need for something super big or super small the new the ten point five is the one to get oh
⏹️ ▶️ Marco unless you need to be super cheap then you get the cheap nine point seven that came out last week or what h d r support
⏹️ ▶️ John lots of display related things twenty hearts re refresh and hd r sort which i was really surprised
⏹️ ▶️ John about and hd support is basically like you can put that label on anything that gets brighter than normal like
⏹️ ▶️ John i don’t i don’t know if i like the full range of like double vision hdr is an incredible brightness retinas
⏹️ ▶️ John searing brightness this does not reach that level but like a lot of hdr monitors for pcs and stuff as long as you go
⏹️ ▶️ John way brighter than normal monitor and you can accept hdr input and display it in a nice way you
⏹️ ▶️ John get to call yourself hd r so i think this is probably middle of the road the but one twenty hertz
⏹️ ▶️ John refresh which is kind of weird because like in the old the twelve point nine inch the pencil
⏹️ ▶️ John was sampled at a hundred and twenty hurts but the screen still refreshed at sixty and now they just sink it off at one twenty
⏹️ ▶️ John everywhere and then finally on the refresh rate front they advertise the fact that you can do different recreates
⏹️ ▶️ John for videos if you’re watching a forty eight you know frame for a second or twenty four france or second video the
⏹️ ▶️ John display will refresh at that rate as well um which is kind of depressing frame because i want the apple tv to
⏹️ ▶️ John put out twenty four frames so i can watch on my big fancy tv but i won’t get the right frame
⏹️ ▶️ John cadence so i guess i’ll just watch everything through plex plex will probably support twenty four france a second
⏹️ ▶️ John cadence before the apple tv does i’ll just watch everything on my ten point five inch ipad pro
⏹️ ▶️ Casey and that will just teach everyone you should be using plex i actually have i have real
⏹️ ▶️ Casey time follow up i am not kidding it turns out ladies and gentlemen that the
⏹️ ▶️ Casey ten point five inch does a have a headphone jack and apparently it is way way way in the corner or so i’m being told
⏹️ ▶️ Casey so it is supposedly there i could not find
⏹️ ▶️ John it wow that is that is far in the corner is it on the bottom i don’t know but yeah but let’s
⏹️ ▶️ John go it’s on the top that’s why i couldn’t find it but the router always been on top of the i was thinking of it like
⏹️ ▶️ Marco okay my bad so i’m curious i saw during the kino when they were talking about the one twenty hertz frame
⏹️ ▶️ Marco rate now the new now that now that the actual display frame it or at least it can be the i noticed
⏹️ ▶️ Marco a few people who would probably have seen it inside of apple tweeting about how
⏹️ ▶️ Marco that is like game changing and you it’s just so amazing to have one twenty hertz refresh rate when
⏹️ ▶️ Marco in the hands or were you able to get an idea of that like how i want that how did that see did you notice
⏹️ ▶️ Casey it so i didn’t i wasn’t using it i was there with federico and i naturally stepped back because
⏹️ ▶️ Casey i didn’t want to lose an arm but uh but but i did see federico scrolling it
⏹️ ▶️ Casey and i don’t know if i would call it like earth shattering life changing et cetera but it definitely
⏹️ ▶️ John a really grand seo effect on a lot of this like maybe
⏹️ ▶️ John who are into the video game see know that the debates about frame rate like at what frame rate can you still see the difference obviously
⏹️ ▶️ John you know if the gamers like i can see sixty and thirty yes we can all see sixty thirty different once you get above sixty
⏹️ ▶️ John seventy eighty ninety one you know can you tell the one twenty and one ten can you tell the ten sixty
⏹️ ▶️ John and one twenty some people say they can but if you double blind to this i bet a lot of people like sixty is around the limit
⏹️ ▶️ John that most people can’t tell any faster not that i’m i’m saying they shouldn’t be one twenty i totally should be especially
⏹️ ▶️ John since it sings up with with the pencil input and it just makes more sense from that perspective but i don’t know this
⏹️ ▶️ John is another thing we’ll have to research frame rates over sixty can humans tell the difference or
⏹️ ▶️ John just very special people who have like gold plated audio cables that the oxygen
⏹️ ▶️ Marco i wonder too like maybe is it the kind of thing where like maybe the frame rate you might
⏹️ ▶️ Marco not be able to tell exactly but maybe because there will just be less latency between when
⏹️ ▶️ Marco you move your finger and when the screen has a yeah the framed up you notice that
⏹️ ▶️ John threw out the number like twenty twenty milliseconds so said post to this point years
⏹️ ▶️ John ago about about yeah but no but about refresh rate like remember that it was like a microsoft project when they were
⏹️ ▶️ John showing a different refresh rates they they have they calibrate it and say here’s about a hundred mill second leg looks like and
⏹️ ▶️ John they would crank it down down down to like one mill a second and i think one was the bottom and it was amazingly
⏹️ ▶️ John different than like twenty or fifty or hundred so twenty is great but there’s still headroom and yeah
⏹️ ▶️ John if if they’re doing a hundred twenty hurts to get the latency down that is a hundred percent worth it even if nobody can tell the difference in
⏹️ ▶️ John the frame rate because every little bit of latency will detect and it will feel nicer
⏹️ ▶️ Casey so the hardware looks great it seems to level the playing field one of you guys had said earlier between the different
⏹️ ▶️ Casey devices it has the iphone seven cameras which is great although if you’re taking pictures with your ipad you’re a big jerk especially
⏹️ ▶️ Casey the twelve inch um you haven’t come around on that yet
⏹️ ▶️ Marco i’ve now become like you know that’s fine you want to take pictures with you and pad if you want to take portrait video
⏹️ ▶️ Casey were you in high sierra earlier anyway uh so the the capacities have
⏹️ ▶️ Casey been doubled which is great it’s a good things all around it looks really awesome and we
⏹️ ▶️ Casey should talk about the updates in iowa eleven because holy smokes
⏹️ ▶️ Casey they look great like i just bought a macbook adorable did i tell you i’m excited i just
⏹️ ▶️ Casey bought a mac picador because i don’t want to use my pet anymore but holy crap these things look awesome like this looks
⏹️ ▶️ Casey super super cool and i don’t even know where to begin like the dragon draper seems so well
⏹️ ▶️ Casey thought out and so well executed from top to bottom i am genuinely deeply
⏹️ ▶️ Casey deeply impressed at what they’re showing and i hope it works as well as they’ve been demonstrating so these
⏹️ ▶️ John are all this isn’t like pro level features to me what is exactly what we wanted one like the pro level features that that you
⏹️ ▶️ John know people who want to be more productive who are already doing these weird makeshift systems to do
⏹️ ▶️ John the tasks that they can now accomplish much more easily but kind of like dragon drop on the mac where
⏹️ ▶️ John we take all this for granted i think most people don’t do the breath holding maneuvers you
⏹️ ▶️ John know like any any operation in the ui where you initiate and you have to like hold your breath
⏹️ ▶️ John and then you can do other things but you’re like holding your holding because if you let go then everything just scatter to the
⏹️ ▶️ John four winds right and so it’s like that with dragon drop or if you’re if you’re experienced you know mac user
⏹️ ▶️ John and the macos ten or were you and like a bunch of files in the finder grab them
⏹️ ▶️ John slam your mouth cuse into the corner to like slide away and like you know show show a mission
⏹️ ▶️ John control or whatever and hover onto another application and have it move to the front and move over a window and it pops forward
⏹️ ▶️ John like those type of operations regular people don’t do those most of the time like they they find another way to do it
⏹️ ▶️ John they can do a simple drag from one location but they don’t do grab a bunch of stuff and then manipulate manipulate manipulate
⏹️ ▶️ John drop in a place because there’s so many places things can go wrong and you can accidentally drop it in the wrong place or whatever so
⏹️ ▶️ John these are definitely pro features but almost everything i was struck by almost everything that they were talking about
⏹️ ▶️ John how look the rest of you your eyes responsive in your ages the events and so on and so forth are things that we’ve
⏹️ ▶️ John taken for granted on the mac platform for for literally decades yes of course when you’re initiating drag and the
⏹️ ▶️ John drag manager is going of course you can do other things in the u s you can alt tab you can go hover over windows and stuff like that and
⏹️ ▶️ John it’s kind like marco starkly tweeted turns out desktop operating systems had a bunch of good ideas after all didn’t
⏹️ ▶️ Marco yeah it’s like this is the future of computing everyone the i’ve had the future computing while the future computing
⏹️ ▶️ Marco so far everyone’s now celebrating got a huge step forward by adding a whole bunch of stuff from the past of computing
⏹️ ▶️ John do have i mean the advantage they have now i think and they demoed it against while i was talking about in la how how how a sort of a grab
⏹️ ▶️ John and then pop forward stuff is actually better on a big screen you have a second hand whereas you don’t have a second mouse that you can
⏹️ ▶️ John grab on to so now you grab a bunch of things in and your second hand can fully manipulate the eye to do whatever
⏹️ ▶️ John you want to do to get to the point where you can drop it so i think it is very impressive and except as what we
⏹️ ▶️ John were looking for pro level features and as casey says the a p i i mean it is clearly an ap i created
⏹️ ▶️ John by a company that has done like three different drag managers of the parse past saved its like they know what they’re doing and
⏹️ ▶️ John building and into all the default classes and especially since most people do use the default classes on i s instead of rollin their
⏹️ ▶️ John own because the default classes are really good means like they can do that demo like look i can drag this text snip in it slack and
⏹️ ▶️ John slack has no idea what the hell the drag manager is because they use standard controls it just works
⏹️ ▶️ Casey it was it was super super impressive and you know we could probably go through every single one of these things line by line
⏹️ ▶️ Casey but we wanted to leave here today now the dragon drop looks great i was super impressed
⏹️ ▶️ Casey by all of it and i’m really excited to try using all this stuff
⏹️ ▶️ Casey you know i didn’t really have time in the hands on area i’m sure all of you are probably a lot of you anyway or silly
⏹️ ▶️ Casey enough to run a beta even i’ve had you going to try i have my i’ve had many i was using it all day long
⏹️ ▶️ Casey thank you very much it can do a lot of this stuff i honestly don’t know but to that end the i
⏹️ ▶️ Casey s eleven does support like way way way back in terms of hardware which was impressive and i’m
⏹️ ▶️ Marco sure some of the stuff is like pro only where there’s limit like maybe you can’t do like it probably doesn’t have enough ram to have all the apps
⏹️ ▶️ John there’s for a brief second when they said and were doing the memory for a brief second i said really there
⏹️ ▶️ Casey seriously so can we get a ruling though now again i haven’t played with this but it appears
⏹️ ▶️ Casey as though you can do some sort of like floaty sort of sidebar thing in addition
⏹️ ▶️ Casey to side by side apps are we in windowing at this point like have we crossed that that uncanny
⏹️ ▶️ Casey valley into windowing or
⏹️ ▶️ Casey, Marco are never going
⏹️ ▶️ Marco, Casey that right but are we the
⏹️ ▶️ Marco silly a simplified version of windowing yeah it’s exactly what you just can’t define the sizes
⏹️ ▶️ John it’s a weird limited tiling window manager yeah right which which i think is appropriate for the
⏹️ ▶️ John form factor because people there’s no there’s no controls on windows there’s no way to resize and rearrangement but there they
⏹️ ▶️ John are not shying away from there’s a rectangle that belongs to another app on top of a rectangle that belongs to
⏹️ ▶️ John a different app and they’re you know they’re they’re embracing that although i’m not quite sure like you mentioned that i
⏹️ ▶️ John eleven would be about rounded rectangles floating over things sure enough there’s a lot of rounded rectangles floating over things and this
⏹️ ▶️ John what benefit do we get i guess they have to show that it is not in split view like they’re wasting axles
⏹️ ▶️ John to show you the little border thing around i don’t know i’m sure it our will
⏹️ ▶️ John better than the current system especially in the fact that you can go to the multitasking switcher and see all your different i don’t know the
⏹️ ▶️ John calling to spaces or whatever that seems like a big improvement over the current terrible multitasking switcher
⏹️ ▶️ Marco it’s a hard thing to design because ios apps are designed like there’s no window borders in
⏹️ ▶️ Marco i o s there’s no tidal bars there’s no window chrome ios apps are designed to
⏹️ ▶️ Marco be full screen and so and most of the time in use that’s what they are so to
⏹️ ▶️ Marco design a feature like this in the o s it’s it’s actually not trivial to have visual design that makes
⏹️ ▶️ Marco sense where you where the borders of aps actually look reasonable and are easy to see that they are
⏹️ ▶️ Marco borders but doesn’t look like overly scea morphic with big shadows and it’s it’s a hard problem
⏹️ ▶️ Marco to solve because they did it in i s nine multitasking they did like the big border lines
⏹️ ▶️ Marco they would drag around and everything and now they think they still have a similar one for like the side by side but now
⏹️ ▶️ Marco they have the float over and they still have picture and picture which is his own little rounded things a whole bunch of different
⏹️ ▶️ Marco options that now that it’s going to be a little little confusing getting used to all this stuff
⏹️ ▶️ Marco the best thing about this is like i’m not looking at any of the particular details of this and saying oh
⏹️ ▶️ Marco that’s that’s great or that’s terrible i’m just glad that they have done something here you know they
⏹️ ▶️ Marco have all summer to work out the minor kings and they’re going to have the next couple of years hopefully to work out any bigger ones
⏹️ ▶️ Marco in different updates but the fact that they have finally for i’ve had people like this is like
⏹️ ▶️ Marco the biggest final ever like they’ve finally taken the system that they started
⏹️ ▶️ Marco in a really basic way two years ago and have let basel unchanged since they
⏹️ ▶️ Marco have finally given it like they’ve fleshed it out they’ve given it more they’ve they’ve they’ve indicated not only
⏹️ ▶️ Marco by you know not only have they added in features but they now also indicated two ipad pro users
⏹️ ▶️ Marco that this is this is the kind of thing that we intend to keep moving forward that we’re not done that what you got with iowa’s
⏹️ ▶️ Marco non isn’t it forever like we’re going to keep moving this forward and in so many ways they
⏹️ ▶️ Marco they are making the ipad like a mac and they’re you know they’re they’re never going to really
⏹️ ▶️ Marco say that and they’re they’re doing like you know new edited versions of these features that they have with
⏹️ ▶️ Marco twenty years of you know wisdom accumulated and things like that but they they really are making this more
⏹️ ▶️ Marco and more mac like and it seems like for all of i s users
⏹️ ▶️ Marco talking about how much they hate using mac it seems like what they wanted was the and to become more like the mac
⏹️ ▶️ Casey okay so we should move on before
⏹️ ▶️ Casey and so anyway so it does look really great i’m really excited about it there’s a bunch of other stuff that
⏹️ ▶️ Casey we’re going to kind of have to gloss over because i think before we go we should definitely talk about the
⏹️ ▶️ Casey end of the keynote and music so before we move on are there any other i’ve had thoughts
⏹️ ▶️ Casey that we just cannot resist talking about right now okay good fixing notes and pro thumbs
⏹️ ▶️ Marco up like notes improving steel grey like i’m a big notes user i like notes a lot as long as it reliably
⏹️ ▶️ Marco sinks which is about most of the time it is it is wonderful i really enjoy it
⏹️ ▶️ Marco it’s funny that notes has kind of become like the center of apple shocking things these
⏹️ ▶️ Marco days it’s like notes i think has the record for like the most ap types it has i
⏹️ ▶️ John that’s discoverable though like the whole thing you can scan documents no one’s going to think the lunch notes to do that if you already know
⏹️ ▶️ John it does it it’s fine and once you learn maybe but it doesn’t seem particularly discoverable because it’s not it’s not the entry point for
⏹️ ▶️ Marco it is it is kind of like a junk drawer of features but if you know they’re there it’s a really great app
⏹️ ▶️ Marco and it has a few refuges but overall it’s pretty great so very happy to see that all the handwriting
⏹️ ▶️ Marco stuff with the pencil like that’s that’s a lot of major enhancements for both i’ve had
⏹️ ▶️ Marco note taking in general and also just the note sap itself that’s pretty cool that sort of big thumbs up for
⏹️ ▶️ John do we ever find out of the pencil costal manipulate a
⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey yes answer is yes
⏹️ ▶️ Casey there’s a switch i believe and i i don’t know what it was but there certainly seems to be a switch that lets you man manipulate
⏹️ ▶️ Casey everything or just doing it so much feedback oh yeah i know
⏹️ ▶️ Marco week i’ll follow up yeah
⏹️ ▶️ Marco, Casey nobody’s surprised
⏹️ ▶️ Casey so just just so you’re aware ah no the had a great i was eleven genuine genuinely looks awesome
⏹️ ▶️ Casey and really stoked so one last thing not one more thing but one more thing that
⏹️ ▶️ John was a little i think it was respectful i approve
⏹️ ▶️ Casey okay it’s been decided it has been decided
⏹️ ▶️ Casey the best part is one last thing music and the whole crowd goes oh
⏹️ ▶️ John i don’t know why they went up the people who went obviously didn’t listen to the last couple of episodes of a
⏹️ ▶️ John b where of course the thing was going to be about music was just a question of what they chose to emphasize i think all the
⏹️ ▶️ John way through the home pot thing people were like so is this just music or whatever and then at the end they came in with the big slide
⏹️ ▶️ John and said no it’s what you think it is this
⏹️ ▶️ Marco is this was before i was in and in this is like the one more thing and we’re all expecting a series speaker
⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John say music well of course how happening advertises
⏹️ ▶️ John a series speaker what do you play on your series speaker podcast i mean that’s crazy
⏹️ ▶️ Casey apparently you can because they didn’t use an inferior ap do
⏹️ ▶️ John you know the answer that by the way we were asking that before mark is what you need come to the conferences so we can ask you these questions
⏹️ ▶️ John the homepod can play podcasts can it only play them if you are subscribed to them in the apple podcast
⏹️ ▶️ Marco we don’t know at all i don’t think anybody knows that
⏹️ ▶️ Marco that’s true so so basic so first of all credit to apple for as far as i remember
⏹️ ▶️ Marco not having an awkward music demo this year
⏹️ ▶️ Casey that’s true that’s very the times they are changing yeah
⏹️ ▶️ John well also i’m going to count that thing where they showed the wave forms coming out of the speakers they were supposed
⏹️ ▶️ John to illustrate something to use
⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco at least no one dance yeah
⏹️ ▶️ Marco we didn’t see any few dance we didn’t whoever like you know we have to like reset all the bets for the shirt button thing
⏹️ ▶️ Marco like its overall nicely omitted from the keynote also
⏹️ ▶️ Marco i was happy to see in this keynote not a heavy reliance on videos like there
⏹️ ▶️ Marco were some but i think it
⏹️ ▶️ Marco a healthy amount no time no time for videos got to talk fast and like they’ve relied on them a little bit too much in the past that
⏹️ ▶️ Marco was good to see but one last thing apple music blah blah and then okay now series speaker
⏹️ ▶️ Marco and it’s called homepod i’m
⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John not that listen we all got on
⏹️ ▶️ John board with a macbook which i think is a worse name than homepod homepod will be fine we will be
⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey so used to it in
⏹️ ▶️ Casey i don’t think home pot is bad may i don’t know maybe i just
⏹️ ▶️ Marco i mean we always get used to apple’s bad names for things but this is by sierra
⏹️ ▶️ John well see what what would you have called it would you call that series speaker because that’s worse than homepod i
⏹️ ▶️ Marco don’t know i haven’t put a lot of thought into it actually maybe i mean there has to be that can’t possibly be the best
⏹️ ▶️ Marco name they could have used i
⏹️ ▶️ John think i think it’s okay i
⏹️ ▶️ Casey think i think it’s fine but anyway so they said basically you can have a smart speaker or you can
⏹️ ▶️ Casey have um what was the other thing i
⏹️ ▶️ Marco was on actually and that was by the way like shock of to me i think one of the biggest shocks is that they actually
⏹️ ▶️ Marco put a soda and an amazon
⏹️ ▶️ John race the word sonos like sometimes they show a device but erase the branding
⏹️ ▶️ Marco no they were ice cold like here’s these two products that suck in these ways i was like
⏹️ ▶️ Marco they were they they pulled no punctures on that that was that was quite interesting to see
⏹️ ▶️ Marco and you know and i think that what they were saying was basically the market’s opinion of these things which is basically
⏹️ ▶️ Marco a sonos has great sound but the downsides to it are it’s pretty expensive and it doesn’t
⏹️ ▶️ Marco have any kind of voice control and the amazon echo has crap sound
⏹️ ▶️ Marco but it’s pretty convenient and it has pretty good voice control and doesn’t have any multi room stuff like sona does and
⏹️ ▶️ Marco so by them coming in with the homepod and and adding
⏹️ ▶️ Marco what they’re basically doing is they’re basically attacking sonos head on with a little bit of syria or of
⏹️ ▶️ Marco amazon echo attacking like this is real i think the people at sonos should be more upset by this than
⏹️ ▶️ Marco the people at amazon because they they’re focusing strongly on music
⏹️ ▶️ Marco for lots of reasons probably right now but they’re focusing very strongly on music as far as i can tell
⏹️ ▶️ Marco i did they say is is there going to be any kind of serie kit integration with it
⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John we know it was that was another place
⏹️ ▶️ John where the serie thing was weird because they so so much emphasis on music which i think is smart as a
⏹️ ▶️ John place for the strength but so little emphasis on talking to the thing like there was one slide
⏹️ ▶️ John can talk to it and ask this a bunch of stuff at ada no third
⏹️ ▶️ John better we promise ying no screen no aps no developer story as far as i could
⏹️ ▶️ Marco see yeah i was very surprised to see it didn’t have a screen like now that we’re seeing what’s coming out from amazon and then
⏹️ ▶️ Marco presumably the next google air freshener will have one too like there’s there’s a lot
⏹️ ▶️ Marco of value i think i mean i haven’t tried these things yet with the screen but there’s i think there’s a lot of value to having a screen
⏹️ ▶️ Marco on a device that’s like a home assistant thing like if you like if you look at the way you know the the home pod
⏹️ ▶️ Marco seems to be designed for your living room and in that kind of context i can see a screen being less useful because
⏹️ ▶️ Marco youre probably not ging to be using it as like a timer and stuff but for the kitchen which is where the echo has really shown
⏹️ ▶️ Marco to be very useful you really a scream would be nice to see things like your timer status and and you know
⏹️ ▶️ Marco the current weather as you’re walking by in the morning and stuff like that so to not have that kind of
⏹️ ▶️ Marco focus and to be coming in at a premium price point coming at three hundred and fifty dollars
⏹️ ▶️ Marco that’s a pretty pretty healthy price point there they’re really attacking sonos
⏹️ ▶️ Marco mostly because sono speakers started about two or three hundred bucks and and they go up you know from there
⏹️ ▶️ Marco um i i don’t know how well this is going to sell
⏹️ ▶️ Marco i think that the tech press is probably going to rate them over the colds for the price compared to the
⏹️ ▶️ Marco competitors i’m probably going to buy one you’re probably going to make fun of me but
⏹️ ▶️ Marco, Casey i don’t know we’re all going to buy one can’t
⏹️ ▶️ Casey i’m going to buy one i said why are you so coming your right but why are you so hot about this because
⏹️ ▶️ John as soon as i saw that on the screen like you were absolutely like the marketing pitch works on you then pitching
⏹️ ▶️ John and pitching it as a music thing you’re like well i don’t want one of these cylinders do i talk to but this is just an awesome way to play
⏹️ ▶️ John music and so you’re going to get one
⏹️ ▶️ Casey but it doesn’t have that rich vin no never mine but it does have
⏹️ ▶️ Casey that warmth that i’m used to it does look really good and i probably will buy one to be honest with you
⏹️ ▶️ Casey i think it looked awesome i think that i saw one in the hands on area very briefly we
⏹️ ▶️ Casey did not hear it but we saw both the black and the white they both looked great john made a very funny comment though
⏹️ ▶️ Casey that there’s you know this not insignificant cable coming out of the back of this thing and in the apple hanson area there’s
⏹️ ▶️ Casey a hole in the table that it goes through which is super convenient for apple and so it’s not
⏹️ ▶️ Casey going to be quite so beautiful and bespoke in
⏹️ ▶️ John like the power cable to your mac like a big like cylindrical thing it’s less like just a little you know thing with the
⏹️ ▶️ John wallboard or whatever anyway i think it’ll be fine it’s also a little bit chunkier like it is chunkier than the than the
⏹️ ▶️ John google home like it looks it looks fat
⏹️ ▶️ Marco well there’s there’s no great way to make as a tiny speaker sound good
⏹️ ▶️ Marco so like i don’t mind it getting a little bigger like the sonos play one their small speaker is chunkier
⏹️ ▶️ Marco than the echo it’s it’s shorter but fatter and i think it’s great like the sonos play one sounds awesome so
⏹️ ▶️ Marco that and a lot of apples features were like measuring the room response and everything else that that’s that’s all
⏹️ ▶️ Marco so the playbook for years but
⏹️ ▶️ Marco it’s it’s probably gonna sound great right
⏹️ ▶️ Casey and it appears as though it’s going to sound phenomenal and i am really anxious
⏹️ ▶️ Casey to hear one and try one out and i don’t know that i necessarily have a place
⏹️ ▶️ Casey in my home that i am in desperate need of a new speaker but that being said
⏹️ ▶️ Casey this is appealing enough to me just in principle and i trust apple to of all things
⏹️ ▶️ Casey understand how to make music sound good that to me i’m like well okay this is an instant buy this
⏹️ ▶️ Casey ain’t going to have to happen
⏹️ ▶️ John the same enterprise as the ipod hi fi too it was all very forty nine it
⏹️ ▶️ Marco turns out and honestly like i think it is probably going to be a good product but i
⏹️ ▶️ Marco do have concerns first of all that is pretty expensive for this market again they’re they’re really going after sonos
⏹️ ▶️ Marco not the echo the echo and the google home are always going to be cheaper than this and i don’t see apple playing like
⏹️ ▶️ Marco a race to the bottom price game on this product i see this being a nice profit center for them and to make high end stuff
⏹️ ▶️ Marco only and they by positioning themselves pretty much only against sonos then they kind
⏹️ ▶️ Marco of avoid like having to compete in like the super low march and stuff but you know they’re going to be better on privacy
⏹️ ▶️ Marco than amazon and google they you know as a alexia soundcloud is going to be great i think
⏹️ ▶️ Marco overall many of us are going to have these but it’s going to be
⏹️ ▶️ Marco market size wise more like the airport extreme than like you know the
⏹️ ▶️ John well they couldn’t like the marketing push was for music right but if you look at the hardware it’s got a
⏹️ ▶️ John whole bunch of microphones in it like it is it is well equipped hardware wise to do
⏹️ ▶️ John everything that the echo does
⏹️ ▶️ Casey it as well i mean it’s powered by an iphone process
⏹️ ▶️ Casey, John is as powerful as
⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco your answer is
⏹️ ▶️ John i still do so because the hardware as well as do that like they didn’t emphasize it and we all just
⏹️ ▶️ John assume it will be worse at answering your questions than than the echo and the google things which
⏹️ ▶️ John is why they’re wise not to emphasize it but say many years pass and they get better at that part there’s no
⏹️ ▶️ John reason they can’t make a cheaper model if they decide to compete on price tone down the speakers make the
⏹️ ▶️ John one that is focused more on answering your questions and being a voice assistant and less on
⏹️ ▶️ John playing music with high fidelity and then then they’re right in that market right it’s just a question of like as they listed on that
⏹️ ▶️ John big thing all the things you can do you can set timers have reminders ask it questions and just like all the things
⏹️ ▶️ John they said it can do are the things that google home and amazon echo do we just all assume that
⏹️ ▶️ John apple does them worse and them not demoing them at all doesn’t help us get you know like they
⏹️ ▶️ John didn’t even try to show off or say they they didn’t touch it at all you would be forgiven for thinking
⏹️ ▶️ John that this thing doesn’t do anything except for play music but it does everything that all the other devices do so
⏹️ ▶️ John i think they have left the door open to come after google home and amazon whenever the
⏹️ ▶️ John heck they can get their act together to actually be competitive there and who knows maybe they’re already competitive
⏹️ ▶️ John that her we don’t know they never even downloaded ever talked about it it was just a word cloud i
⏹️ ▶️ Marco mean the impression i get is that this is this is still in very early stage of development that like i mean it’s not it isn’t
⏹️ ▶️ Marco even coming out until december which raises the question of if the this a is a product that has apparently
⏹️ ▶️ Marco no developer support nothing that anybody can do between now and when it comes
⏹️ ▶️ Marco out and there’s going to be a september event presumably where they announce new ions and stuff why
⏹️ ▶️ Marco did they announce this now that’s
⏹️ ▶️ Casey an interesting point i didn’t
⏹️ ▶️ John think about it we should have opened up the hardware if it was anything inside there is such just empty shell i can look at the hardware
⏹️ ▶️ John and it had little lights like they do the same thing as we go home with like colored l d s on the top showing through with the series logo
⏹️ ▶️ John type thing so it looked
⏹️ ▶️ John good it looked like finished ish hardware
⏹️ ▶️ Casey yeah but overall let’s let’s kind of wrap this up impressions of the keynote i thought
⏹️ ▶️ Casey it was really good i’m a little concerned is too strong a word but i feel like it
⏹️ ▶️ Casey it was a lot of catch up or like things that we may be expected to happen a long time ago particularly
⏹️ ▶️ Casey with like the the ipad productivity enhancement that said it was still a very
⏹️ ▶️ Casey impressive keynote and we got hardware that i would have told you as i think i said to somebody else
⏹️ ▶️ Casey we’re sitting in the know there’s no way we’re going to get a whol bunch of hardware today i finally gave apple a bunch of
⏹️ ▶️ Casey my money which is really exciting sort of and and so we got we got a
⏹️ ▶️ Casey lot of hardware we got ipads we got max the the playing field has been leveled within each of these lines
⏹️ ▶️ Casey for the most part you know there’s it’s a level playing field in the ipad world sorry mini it’s a level playing field in the
⏹️ ▶️ Casey macworld sorry i peter then and yet i mean
⏹️ ▶️ Casey all in all i thought it was pretty good but what if what if the two of you think let’s start with you john you
⏹️ ▶️ John said it was like a lot of ketchup i would just change the opposite it was a lot of ketchup like
⏹️ ▶️ John show marco was listing all the things that he wanted like they can’t do all those things and the emphasis may have been different
⏹️ ▶️ John in the products they had but they did almost all those things they
⏹️ ▶️ John revised all the hardware that we thought they could possibly revise all this is what i thought was great about it i think it was
⏹️ ▶️ John a really smart move was the stuff that wasn’t ready they announced that anyway because what you know
⏹️ ▶️ John it’s like it’s fine it’s it’s such a rush to say okay i can order that today but that’s going to be december but that’s
⏹️ ▶️ John going to be later in the fall it’s like you don’t care just show me all the cool new things i think i was super smart and i
⏹️ ▶️ John came away thinking this was a very impressive pinot where they everything they showed
⏹️ ▶️ John was like met expectations at the very least and i was you know i was excited
⏹️ ▶️ John to see the the you know the imac pro and stuff like this i don’t care when it’s shipping and just you know show it to me
⏹️ ▶️ Casey what do you think marco
⏹️ ▶️ Marco so i think you know tim cook opened it by saying this is going to be the biggest
⏹️ ▶️ Marco and best w d c ever and i don’t think it was i think that was that was setting
⏹️ ▶️ Marco it a little bit too high i think the one a couple years ago when switch was announced was probably the biggest and best debut ever
⏹️ ▶️ Marco was to date but i do think overall this was pretty packed full of good
⏹️ ▶️ Marco stuff and a lot of the stuff we you know we’re not going to develop an understanding and appreciation of a lot
⏹️ ▶️ Marco of it until we get to use it for a while or until it launches to the public so you know we all have to actually use
⏹️ ▶️ Marco the new you know multitasking productivity and files type things we have to write as against the stuff we have to
⏹️ ▶️ Marco wait for the absent we used to get updated to actually enjoy and use and get to see a lot of the stuff
⏹️ ▶️ Marco we have to wait for the app store launch until presumably the fall before we get you know any benefit from that so
⏹️ ▶️ Marco there’s a lot of and we have to wait until quote december but in apple province
⏹️ ▶️ Marco that probably means march before we can actually get one so you know we have to wait until
⏹️ ▶️ Marco next spring presumably before we can actually see the homepod god still
⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John almost said series
⏹️ ▶️ Marco speaker and it’s fine you’ll be fine two weeks you’ll be fine
⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John exactly like you
⏹️ ▶️ Marco have to wait to see that we have to wait to see the imac pro and then later on the mac pro so there’s a lot of like
⏹️ ▶️ Marco just wait this is going to be awesome but they’ve backed it up with enough actual output
⏹️ ▶️ Marco and you know solid announcements and you know firm commitments to things and actual
⏹️ ▶️ Marco changes to stuff that overall i think this is pretty cool there are certainly areas that i’m concerned
⏹️ ▶️ Marco about like the tv and the watch and messages and stuff like that like there’s areas that are like not as you know
⏹️ ▶️ Marco have been kind of had slow years and they didn’t do everything i wanted them to do in certain things but
⏹️ ▶️ Marco like syria but overall i think it’s pretty good and i enjoyed the presentation
⏹️ ▶️ Marco itself as i said earlier like you know the video stuff and the you know the not having apple music presentation
⏹️ ▶️ Marco overall i think pretty good w you c you know certainly in like the
⏹️ ▶️ Marco top half maybe the top quarter if not number one ever
⏹️ ▶️ Casey yeah i thought it was really well done so at this point i don’t know what we’re going to do because we didn’t discuss
⏹️ ▶️ Casey this in advance because it’s the accidental
⏹️ ▶️ Marco a lot to our three sponsors this week square space audible and fracture and we will see you
⏹️ ▶️ Marco next week now this show
⏹️ ▶️ Casey is over they didn’t even mean to begin because it was accidental
⏹️ ▶️ John johnson one research marco kc would let him because
⏹️ ▶️ Marco it was dental but you can
⏹️ ▶️ Marco die and you to twitter
⏹️ ▶️ John you can follow them
⏹️ ▶️ Casey i did probably not probably skip it after show and god knows we were going to do about
⏹️ ▶️ Marco that was exactly as awkward and awesome as
⏹️ ▶️ Casey me if you had told me back in like twenty twelve when i’m listening to these two and and and you had told
⏹️ ▶️ Casey me that not only would i be up on stage with these two but all of you amazing wonderful people
⏹️ ▶️ Casey would come to see us and sing us our song like what a weird world
⏹️ ▶️ Casey we live in and i know i speak for the two of these guys that we are so deeply deeply grateful
⏹️ ▶️ Casey for you guys coming out and it really means a ton to all of us and i hope you enjoy the rest of your week
⏹️ ▶️ Casey if you’re at any of the wonderful conferences including but not limited to all cons so thank you so much to all con
⏹️ ▶️ Casey for a for having us come in can we give them a big round of applause as well
⏹️ ▶️ Casey except marco john and i just kind of showed up did our thing and then were going to go soon but but not really you guys thank
⏹️ ▶️ Casey you so much for coming
⏹️ ▶️ Marco a big nice announcement ocon raised a whole bunch of money for apa for girls over the last couple
⏹️ ▶️ Marco benefit concert by james dempsey and the breakpoints i’ve seen them it’s the they really
⏹️ ▶️ Marco they recommended their still tickets left and the benefits of that go the proceeds that go to appam for girls as
⏹️ ▶️ Marco you the tickets for this event but they’re going to raise way more because they’re awesome so please go buy a ticket to that if
⏹️ ▶️ Marco you haven’t already a day it’s tomorrow night right or wednesday
⏹️ ▶️ Marco, Casey twenty wednesday night
⏹️ ▶️ Marco wednesday i highly suggest seen them in person and you cannot pick a better organization to support the afghan
⏹️ ▶️ Marco for girls so please go buy those last tickets i want to see that show sold out so thank you
⏹️ ▶️ Marco one for listening anything
⏹️ ▶️ Casey i think we’re good we got to pick titles right so so in
⏹️ ▶️ Casey a deeply embarrassing turn of events i looked earlier about halfway through the show and i think the showboat was down i was
⏹️ ▶️ Marco wondering if you were
⏹️ ▶️ Casey running the show but well i usually never touch it and everything just magically worse just like apple stuff
⏹️ ▶️ John to fill our promise like when we remember we record live we are way worse than this if we talked all sorts of
⏹️ ▶️ John crazy things and there’s lots of diversions and marco puts us back together this is pretty coherent
⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey yeah this is that we do all right but you know i
⏹️ ▶️ John we’re not giving you the full experience but
⏹️ ▶️ Marco is no my real reason is that like i’m pretty hungry and so i don’t want to have to add a lot to me
⏹️ ▶️ Casey so here’s the thing we didn’t have a show but but i have five title options that
⏹️ ▶️ Casey i will read to the group and then when i am done you can perhaps we will go
⏹️ ▶️ Casey through again and you can cheer for the one you like on democracy now i
⏹️ ▶️ Casey tried off into the cornfield was option wine that’s pretty good i can’t even read my
⏹️ ▶️ Casey own damn hand i was going to say you can read that with the help of on the something of controls
⏹️ ▶️ Casey on the good grips of
⏹️ ▶️ Casey, Marco oxo good grips there we all put it together
⏹️ ▶️ Casey oxo good grips of control the trade barbican that second one fine a third one a conversation
⏹️ ▶️ Casey with siri number four practically a point release and number five compromise size i think of into
⏹️ ▶️ Casey, John got to be cornered right
⏹️ ▶️ John i’ve loved that that’s that’s a reference to a twilight one episode and i don’t know enough about to get the right quote on a fluff
⏹️ ▶️ Casey this is what you see if you don’t listen why this is the this is what happens to
⏹️ ▶️ Casey, John every brigantine
⏹️ ▶️ Casey good rips of control
⏹️ ▶️ Casey, John conversation conversation was
⏹️ ▶️ Casey serious the winner that’s not
⏹️ ▶️ Casey do all people do you guys want to say anything else before we kind of shut this all down and go do our thing
⏹️ ▶️ Casey boss thanks everybody felicia