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150: A Mac Pro in Every Pot

Our wish list for 2016. (With very specific parameters.)

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  1. Follow-up: Apple Store foliage
  2. Sponsor: Backblaze
  3. Casey gets an Apple TV
  4. Sponsor: Casper
  5. Casey gets an iPad Mini 4
  6. An aside
  7. Sponsor: Blue Apron
  8. 2016 wishes: Opening remarks
  9. Wishes for Apple TV
  10. Wishes for App Store
  11. Wishes for Macs
  12. Wishes for Swift on the server
  13. Wishes for HFS++
  14. Wishes for Apple Watch
  15. Wishes for Swift package management
  16. Wishes for Apple Pencil
  17. Wishes for iPad apps
  18. Wishes for iPhone 7
  19. Wishes for OLEDs
  20. Wishes for focus
  21. Wishes for bugfixes
  22. Ending theme
  23. Post-show: Wishes for a 17-inch

Follow-up: Apple Store foliage

⏹️ ▶️ Casey night. We can talk about that for a while. Yeah, it’s old news. Oh man, I missed my chance.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Now that Marco’s seen it, it’s old news. It’s all downhill from there. Do

⏹️ ▶️ John you want to do some follow-up? Sure, we actually have some. One person is not, I

⏹️ ▶️ John don’t know if this person lives in Dubai or just knows about the Apple Store in Dubai, but I’m trying to think of a reason

⏹️ ▶️ John why this person is not like every single person in the United States on vacation

⏹️ ▶️ John and and not sending us any follow-up. But in episode 149, we talked about

⏹️ ▶️ John the foliage walls and the Apple model store things from the 60 Minutes

⏹️ ▶️ John television show. They showed like, oh, here’s a store where we try out all the different ideas we have

⏹️ ▶️ John for Apple stores. And they have this one wall of the store that had plants, like real living plants, just sort of cascading down the

⏹️ ▶️ John wall. And I thought that would be funny if they actually put that in a store. Well, apparently they have,

⏹️ ▶️ John it’s just goes to show that everything they show in 60 Minutes has to be something that already exists. so that no secrets are revealed.

⏹️ ▶️ John And the Apple store in Dubai, they have a foliage wall. So there you go. That’s super exciting.

⏹️ ▶️ John That is a definite reason to visit there. To just pet the foliage wall. I wonder how

⏹️ ▶️ John that, like, I mean, I guess they have to have people keeping the plants alive, but like,

⏹️ ▶️ John why don’t we get foliage? If it’s a good idea, why isn’t it a good idea everywhere? Why is it only a good idea in the desert?

⏹️ ▶️ John I don’t know.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Ha ha ha. Beats me. It struck me as a little weird, although I really did like,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey I think John, you had briefly mentioned, uh, mentioned this when we talked about it. I really liked

⏹️ ▶️ Casey the display case for all the cases, the iPhone cases, where

⏹️ ▶️ Casey the case is on the outside of what ends up being a drawer. So you grab the case and pull

⏹️ ▶️ Casey the case and then there’s a drawer of these cases behind it. That was a terrible word picture, but hopefully that

⏹️ ▶️ Casey makes sense. Um, I thought that was really clever and I don’t recall having ever seen that before.

⏹️ ▶️ John Someone did write in, I missed, I misplaced their either email or maybe as a tweet and said that those pull-out

⏹️ ▶️ John drawer things actually exist in stores too. So basically there’s nothing in 60 Minutes that they showed you that doesn’t already

⏹️ ▶️ John exist in an Apple store, which is not surprising. Not

⏹️ ▶️ Casey surprising, but a little bit sad. That’s

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, John okay

⏹️ ▶️ Casey though. All right, so any other follow-up we need to talk about?

⏹️ ▶️ John That’s it. Everyone’s still on vacation, including

⏹️ ▶️ Casey us. So not only California, but everyone is on vacation. Well, California is always

⏹️ ▶️ Casey on vacation. That is true. Do you want to tell us about something that’s awesome, Marco?

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Casey gets an Apple TV

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⏹️ ▶️ Casey So the Christmas time has come and passed, and Casey has some new

⏹️ ▶️ Casey toys, ladies and gentlemen. It’s exciting. So we have talked

⏹️ ▶️ Casey about the new Apple TV. I now have a new Apple TV.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey And now I will make everyone sit here and listen to my oh-so-outdated thoughts about the

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Apple TV. Casey Jones That’s all right. I’ll talk about the Mac Pro later. So I’ll get you back. Oh

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, Marco God,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey if you’re serious then I will happily forgo the Apple TV talk if that means you will forgo

⏹️ ▶️ Casey the Mac Pro talk.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Well I have to tell you about the new Mac Pro I got.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Oh dear God, I hope you’re kidding. I don’t have any alcohol nearby so this is going to be a long night for me. Well on

⏹️ ▶️ Casey a happier note, set up via Bluetooth on my new Apple TV, flawless, no issues whatsoever.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey So let’s just be a lesson children that you never actually do want to have the fear of missing out

⏹️ ▶️ Casey that I have a chronic case of and you do actually want to wait just a little bit to get something new

⏹️ ▶️ Casey because I had no problems with Bluetooth setup. I had no real

⏹️ ▶️ Casey problems with the remote app, although it took me a minute to realize that

⏹️ ▶️ Casey I needed to do the software update in order to get it, if memory serves.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Speaking of software update, at seven o’clock, I think this was Christmas Day, seven o’clock in the evening on Christmas Day,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey flawless, no issues. I connected via ethernet, which might have made things a lot

⏹️ ▶️ Casey easier, but that was really nice. Oh, that’s what it was. It wasn’t that the software update screwed

⏹️ ▶️ Casey me up for the remote app. I actually did take notes. I just didn’t read far enough. It took me a while to remember

⏹️ ▶️ Casey that the remote app is paired to your home sharing account.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey And I had not yet set up my home sharing account in the Apple TV, even after I’d done

⏹️ ▶️ Casey the update and all that. So for the life of me, I couldn’t understand why the remote app wouldn’t see the Apple TV. And then I

⏹️ ▶️ Casey forget how I figured it out. But somehow or another, I realized, oh, no, I need to sign into home sharing.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey And so once I did that, that worked no problem, which was really nice. The control

⏹️ ▶️ Casey receiver, or the remote in general, having a Bluetooth remote

⏹️ ▶️ Casey is wonderful. I’ve learned that from the Fire TV stick, but it’s really great having that Bluetooth

⏹️ ▶️ Casey remote on the Apple TV as well. I also really, really liked, and maybe we talked about this and

⏹️ ▶️ Casey I just had a brain fart or something, but I really liked that it gave

⏹️ ▶️ Casey me the option of instead of controlling volume on my TV via

⏹️ ▶️ Casey HDMI CEC or whatever magic it uses, I could program an IR remote

⏹️ ▶️ Casey that it would use, it would emit that same IR to change a different thing’s

⏹️ ▶️ Casey volume, which is exactly what I needed to do because I have my receiver doing the speakers

⏹️ ▶️ Casey and all that. And so I had the remote learn my receivers, you know, IR profile or

⏹️ ▶️ Casey whatever you wanna call it, and that worked no problem. And so now the volume controls the receiver, which is really awesome.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey I didn’t even know that was a thing. I didn’t like that I had no idea how much

⏹️ ▶️ Casey battery power the remote has. And at some point or another, I saw some dialogue or something that said,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey oh, we’ll tell you when the remote needs charging, which is an Apple thing to do, and that’s fine. But it was weird

⏹️ ▶️ Casey that I couldn’t even see it when I went digging into the remote setting screens. I didn’t like, and I don’t

⏹️ ▶️ Casey like, that there’s no native Spotify app. Yes, I am aware that there is such a thing

⏹️ ▶️ Casey as AirPlay. That is what I’ve been doing with my Apple TV for a long time now. But it seems to me like there’s

⏹️ ▶️ Casey no reason why I couldn’t, you know, select songs or do what, whatever in a native app

⏹️ ▶️ Casey or just have the, have some sort of scenario wherein the

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Spotify app on my phone controls an instance of it. On the TV, because that’s the way Spotify

⏹️ ▶️ Casey works is I can control the, the playback from my computer, from the Spotify

⏹️ ▶️ Casey app on my phone and it kind of like the remote app works and it’s really, really awesome. And I’d like to not have to

⏹️ ▶️ Casey have my phone be beaming all that data to the Apple TV when it could

⏹️ ▶️ Casey just do that on its own. And on a final note, surprising precisely

⏹️ ▶️ Casey no one. Oh my God, you guys, Plex is so good. It’s so good. It’s worth the cost of admission

⏹️ ▶️ Casey just for Plex. But to that end, I have like four apps on this thing. I have Plex, I have Netflix.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey I think I put the SPN app on there and I think that might be it. And so I’m not really seeing

⏹️ ▶️ Casey what’s so great about the App Store yet, with the exception of Plex, of course. But

⏹️ ▶️ Casey there’s been no other killer app that I’ve thought to myself, man, I really, really, really wanna download

⏹️ ▶️ Casey whatever.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Well, to be fair, I mean, like, the kind of device that it is, where, you know, this is like this TV-connected box,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I mean, how many apps do most people really use in that kind of context? I mean, to me, like,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco it is useful to have a large selection of apps, But to any one person, any one user of this

⏹️ ▶️ Marco device, they might only ever use two to four apps, and that might

⏹️ ▶️ Marco be perfectly fine and enough for them. For you, it might be Plex and Netflix.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco For me, it might be a game and Netflix, and maybe,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I probably won’t use Plex. I will use the iTunes Store stuff, and then maybe down the road I

⏹️ ▶️ Marco might get HBO Now, go whichever one is the one that doesn’t use cable.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco one of those. It’s the kind of thing, and if everything works well,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco which is still debatable, but if everything works well, then I think that’s enough. You don’t

⏹️ ▶️ Marco need, it isn’t a phone, you don’t need to be doing tons of different apps all

⏹️ ▶️ Marco the time on your TV. I think most people are going to pick three or four at most. So

⏹️ ▶️ Marco wouldn’t it be a good enough device and a valuable purchase even if you never use any other apps for

⏹️ ▶️ Marco it than what you use now?

⏹️ ▶️ Casey I think you’re absolutely right. And, you know, as you were talking, I was thinking myself, why am I, I don’t know,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey not bummed out, but I can’t think of a better way to describe it, but why am I, you know, a little disappointed that I don’t

⏹️ ▶️ Casey have 305 apps on this thing that I was really excited about. And you know what I think a part of it

⏹️ ▶️ Casey is, is that it looks so paltry and silly compared to the prior gen Apple TV,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey which had like, what is it? 40 or 50 apps and new ones just spawning like rabbits

⏹️ ▶️ Casey constantly. But to be fair, you’re exactly right that I really

⏹️ ▶️ Casey never used any of those and so in the end of the day It was really clutter But because it

⏹️ ▶️ Casey feels like I have fewer things now it it feels worse even though

⏹️ ▶️ Casey in reality It’s actually probably a lot better

⏹️ ▶️ John You should put some some other sort of staples on there Like I think you should probably put the YouTube app

⏹️ ▶️ John on there and maybe does Amazon have like free video? Maybe the Amazon video one if they have some things are

⏹️ ▶️ John free or if you have Amazon Prime

⏹️ ▶️ Marco No, I don’t think there is an Amazon video app. That’s kind of the whole point of that whole thing.

⏹️ ▶️ John No. I used the Siri thing recently where I’d… I think you

⏹️ ▶️ John have to say, show me. I don’t know. It sounds so dumb to say show me. But I said show me and then spoke a movie title.

⏹️ ▶️ John And I was impressed by two things. One, that it actually transcribed what I was saying as I spoke it.

⏹️ ▶️ John All

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco three things.

⏹️ ▶️ John Two, that it properly title-cased the title of the movie in

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco real

⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey time

⏹️ ▶️ John as I spoke it. Wait, which proper title casing that just, you know, the regular

⏹️ ▶️ John one.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco So it didn’t capitalize prepositions and articles in the middle of the title and stuff like that. Oh,

⏹️ ▶️ John it doesn’t matter. It was it was my son wanted to see the Maze Runner. So all those words are capped. Right. But I said,

⏹️ ▶️ John Show me the Maze Runner. And the was capital maze was capital and, you know, in real time as it

⏹️ ▶️ John as it spatted out. So that was impressive. And three, it gave me a bunch of options for

⏹️ ▶️ John where to watch it, one of which was because I was if I had done it let me put it this way if I had done it with the old Apple

⏹️ ▶️ John TV I would have been like we don’t have the Maze Runner so let me just look to see if it’s available on iTunes and either buy it or rent

⏹️ ▶️ John it based on how likely I think we as a household are to want to watch this again

⏹️ ▶️ John but instead I said show me the Maze Runner and I put it down there as an option and I clicked on

⏹️ ▶️ John it and it was available on HBO Go so I just played it for free and so that’s that’s

⏹️ ▶️ John a pretty flawless victory for the new Apple TV over the old one because it took less time because I just picked up

⏹️ ▶️ John the remote and spoken to it it did the right thing and let me watch for free. You know, because I already paid

⏹️ ▶️ John for HBO, I didn’t have to go rented from iTunes. So thumbs up there.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Yeah, something I haven’t tried, but I’d really like to and I just didn’t think about it until you said that

⏹️ ▶️ Casey is, you know, can I get into my Plex library through Siri from

⏹️ ▶️ Casey like the home screen. And I believe there’s API’s that allow that to happen. But I

⏹️ ▶️ Casey don’t have the faintest idea whether or not Plex supports it.

⏹️ ▶️ John Yeah, I had some Plex, a couple of run-ins with Plex. I was trying to watch… I forget I was watching…

⏹️ ▶️ John trying to watch something that I had available in many different ways and my TV,

⏹️ ▶️ John due to weirdness of HDMI and misguided attempts at copy

⏹️ ▶️ John protection, if I play through the DLNA client on my television, very often it only wants

⏹️ ▶️ John to output like stereo down to my receiver. It won’t, even though it’ll be fed 5.1

⏹️ ▶️ John from my dna server in the basement that 5.1 goes into my television but it

⏹️ ▶️ John never gets to leave what comes out the back of it instead is like even though it’s on the audio return channel but

⏹️ ▶️ John anyway i fought with it for a while and like bottom line is if it goes if i have my the television itself the smart

⏹️ ▶️ John tv feature do it sometimes i don’t get the high quality audio so i’m like well this video has high quality 5.1 audio

⏹️ ▶️ John i want to get that directly but i didn’t want to turn on the playstation which also would have worked because it’s noisy so i said it’s time for the apple tv to do

⏹️ ▶️ John it. And then I did like a search like is there a simple DLNA client for Apple TV and there

⏹️ ▶️ John are a bunch of them but I said you know what let me try Plex because I have the Plex server set up on the Synology. So I did

⏹️ ▶️ John and the thing was there and for whatever reason it just wouldn’t play off of the

⏹️ ▶️ John Synology. I don’t know if the Synology couldn’t transcode it because it was too high a bit rate or didn’t understand

⏹️ ▶️ John the codec or something but then I remembered like I have Plex all over the place so I just started Plex on my

⏹️ ▶️ John wife’s new iMac pointed at the same you know I I had already had it set up there. I just mount this

⏹️ ▶️ John analogy there. And my iMac had no problem transcoding it and I played it from

⏹️ ▶️ John there. So Plex kind of came through for me there, like halfway. I mean,

⏹️ ▶️ John it was flexible enough that if it didn’t work off of my NAS, I could just run it on the much more powerful Mac

⏹️ ▶️ John and that did work. So kind of thumb sideways there. But anyway, it

⏹️ ▶️ John let me play the video I wanted to play and the quality I wanted with 5.1 without having to hear a fan. So that’s good.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Yeah, and it’s funny because I moved the now old and busted Apple

⏹️ ▶️ Casey TV from the family room to the bedroom, and I had on

⏹️ ▶️ Casey MTV Unplugged or something like that this morning. I forget specifically what it was, but I was— I hope it was the Alice in

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Chains. That’s the best one.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey No, I don’t think I have that one. I’m sure whatever one it was, you would judge me for, and we don’t need to go into that. We’ll save

⏹️ ▶️ Casey that for the after

⏹️ ▶️ Marco show. Many of them are very good, including the Seal one that you gave me that I don’t think is available legally

⏹️ ▶️ Marco anywhere.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey I believe that’s right. And that was one of them that we watched. It was an MTV Unplugged Morning. Maybe we can argue about

⏹️ ▶️ Casey that in the after show, since that appears to be what we do these

⏹️ ▶️ Marco days. I mean, everyone loves the Nirvana one, and the Nirvana one is very good,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, Casey but I

⏹️ ▶️ Marco think the Alice in Chains one is better.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Yeah, I feel like I’ve heard it at some point, but not any time recently, so I should take a note to

⏹️ ▶️ Casey listen to that again. But anyway, so I was trying to, the point of the matter is I was trying to play Plex from,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey onto the old Apple TV, which was wired via Ethernet now

⏹️ ▶️ Casey is Wi-Fi and is the way the crow flies, so to speak, through the house.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Probably like 15 to 20 feet away from my, my airport

⏹️ ▶️ Casey extreme. Now, granted that’s through like two or three walls and, oh my God, the new Apple

⏹️ ▶️ Casey TV, I don’t know if it’s because of ethernet. I don’t know if it’s because I’m not doing AirPlay hop.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey I’m sure it’s a combination of both, but it was so much nicer watching this stuff

⏹️ ▶️ Casey on the new Apple TV than it was airplane from the Plex app on the old Apple TV.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Anyway, but so yeah, I’d say, uh, at least one thumb, probably two thumbs up for the new Apple TV.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Uh, the Plex, the Plex experience just is everything to me and it’s, and it’s wonderful. I mean, there’s a couple

⏹️ ▶️ Casey of minor issues I have here and there, but, but overall really, really like it.

⏹️ ▶️ John Do you like the, I think the Plex UI on Apple TV looks plain to me. Like I know I’m Plex, you can pick like a

⏹️ ▶️ John background for the things, then they have all these, you know, background images that people have made and I

⏹️ ▶️ John remember the the Mac Plex client had all these fancy backgrounds and the UI

⏹️ ▶️ John looked all different the Apple TV one is kind of boring especially if you view by folder I use Plex by the way to watch uh

⏹️ ▶️ John Harmony’s Despecialized Editions uh my parents wanted to see the uh the first three Star Wars movies

⏹️ ▶️ John before going to see the seventh uh not not the first three episode one two and three guys

⏹️ ▶️ John uh a New Hope Empire and Jedi and I wanted to show him harming it was the same situation

⏹️ ▶️ John i could play it off my playstation but then you’d have to hear the playstation fan so and i wanted to

⏹️ ▶️ John get all you know the the multi-channel sound and everything and so uh

⏹️ ▶️ John plex to the rescue again it could it could play them and it played them correctly and i didn’t have to hear a

⏹️ ▶️ John fan but when you view by folder and went into my little star wars folder and navigated to it it was kind of boring

⏹️ ▶️ John looking it was just like a list of words and you know a cover art off to the left I

⏹️ ▶️ John don’t know I I just expected Plex to be fancier like not that I demand it to be fancy but

⏹️ ▶️ John I don’t know it seemed it seemed to be not up to the standards of

⏹️ ▶️ John the other Plex clients I can remember same thing with the PlayStation 4 client by the way but that’s the least of my concerns

⏹️ ▶️ John if it just gets to the video and plays it I’m happy so Plex is rising in esteem

⏹️ ▶️ John in this household.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Now I agree with you I think that the UI is is good, I would not say it’s great. And I think it

⏹️ ▶️ Casey could definitely use some massaging here and there. However, it is so much a better

⏹️ ▶️ Casey experience than having to have some iOS device sitting around air-playing everything. That

⏹️ ▶️ Casey even with the world’s ugliest UI, it could still in many ways do no wrong in my book because

⏹️ ▶️ Casey oh my goodness, it’s so nice having that natively on the Apple TV now.

⏹️ ▶️ John You should share your Plex library with me.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey I would be happy to. I should do that. Hmm. Okay, or both of you.

⏹️ ▶️ John I don’t think I can share with you because my my My mass is not exposed to the internet

⏹️ ▶️ John at all. So I don’t think I can share with you, but that doesn’t matter I just want to get your stuff.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Are you running Plex on your Synology? Yeah, really you can do that

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Well, yeah, you can but I found it was whenever I tried to transcode anything live. It was a disaster

⏹️ ▶️ John Well, that’s what I was saying I couldn’t I couldn’t Watch the one of the things I wanted to watch just didn’t play at all and I had to use

⏹️ ▶️ John the iMac but Harmony’s these specialized editions played fine.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Hmm. You know, I think what it might be is if you have it format it as like, I’m going to

⏹️ ▶️ Casey get this wrong video nerds, I apologize. But if you have it in some Apple friendly format, let me just be vague.

⏹️ ▶️ John No, I don’t. I do not pre transcode anything like so whatever I downloaded the Harmys

⏹️ ▶️ John as that’s what they are. I refuse to like throw them into handbrake and reconvert them because then you’re going

⏹️ ▶️ John double lossless, right? So if it won’t play exactly as it was downloaded, then I find something else to play.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Completely agree. in the past that this is the Synology that we all have, which is an 1813 plus,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey is does not have a quick enough processor to do transcoding. And a

⏹️ ▶️ Casey lot of people when I’ve complained about this in the past have said, oh, we’ll just transcode everything and make it all in, you know, whatever magical

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Apple format I need. And I completely agree, John, that’s just a bunch of work, whether or not you double,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey you know, you have the double lossy conversion, it’s just so much work that I just don’t want to have to do.

⏹️ ▶️ John And I found my Synology does transcode a whole bunch of stuff on the fly in a reasonable speed for me.

⏹️ ▶️ John Like all it needs to do is be able to keep up with real time. And it can in a lot of cases, but other cases, it just doesn’t

⏹️ ▶️ John matter. That’s, that’s why I threw the iMac at it, which, you know, didn’t break a sweat. It can transcode anything on the fly

⏹️ ▶️ John because it’s super duper fast and makes my Mac Pro feel bad.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey And that’s why I have my old platter driven MacBook Pro sitting on constantly. I’d probably

⏹️ ▶️ Casey never use this thing if it wasn’t for the fact that it is my Plex server. Um, so yeah, so I will, uh,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey we’ll, I’ll invite you guys after the fact to, uh, to share, to see my Plex stuff.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey And so you can stream all of the, all the things that I have.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, Marco Legally.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Well, totally. Uh, well, I mean, you can only stream it. You can’t download it. Um, I’d like to talk about another

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⏹️ ▶️ Casey All right. So the other thing that I received this Christmas, which I know everyone is so excited about the accidental

⏹️ ▶️ Casey look at me in a humble bragging podcast, is Erin got me a new RetinaPad Mini.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey She got me an iPad Mini 4 with Retina and cellular, and I

⏹️ ▶️ Casey am really into this device. I’ve always loved my iPad Minis.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey This is my fourth iPad. I had the original. I had the iPad 3,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey which was the first with the Retina, which is what you are still rocking, John, is that right?

⏹️ ▶️ John Yeah, still. It’s getting long in the tooth, man. I don’t know how long I can keep it up. It’s getting heavy in the tooth.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Yeah, too. Then I had the original

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Retina Mini and now the iPad Mini 4. And the last two, both the Minis have

⏹️ ▶️ Casey been cellular. In the last couple of months, I’ve given up on my AT&T

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Unlimited plan, and so now I can actually tether. I’m not entirely sure going cellular was

⏹️ ▶️ Casey the most right choice, but so far I’ve liked it. And the Apple

⏹️ ▶️ Casey SIM is actually pretty cool. I put a post on my site about some random things that

⏹️ ▶️ Casey I’ve discovered with regard to the Apple SIM. And so you can go check that out if that’s interesting to you.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey The short, short version is it’s a single SIM card that you can use with multiple carriers, which

⏹️ ▶️ Casey is really kind of fascinating. I don’t have too much to say about the device other than

⏹️ ▶️ Casey why didn’t somebody tell me that this iPad multitasking stuff was really cool? Like I wish Federico

⏹️ ▶️ Casey said something or something like that because this is

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, Marco kind of exciting.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I love that this episode is like Casey discovers after Christmas what everyone else in Apple

⏹️ ▶️ Marco community discovered in the fall.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey It’s been talking about for months.

⏹️ ▶️ John Welcome to October. And he saw Star Wars too.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Yeah, and I saw Star Wars just yesterday actually as we record. So anyway, so I won’t go on about

⏹️ ▶️ Casey this like I did about the Apple TV. But suffice to say, it genuinely,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey I’m not trying to be funny, it genuinely changes how you use the device

⏹️ ▶️ Casey when you can genuinely do more than one thing at once. Well, on the old Mini, I could do,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey I believe it’s slide over where you can just slide something in and interact with it and then you have to make it go away

⏹️ ▶️ Casey because they wouldn’t let you do a full on two-pane multitasking.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey I could do picture in picture, which by the Quick aside, Plex on the

⏹️ ▶️ Casey iPad actually does support picture in picture, even though it doesn’t have the same UI that everything else on the planet

⏹️ ▶️ Casey does. As it turns out, if you just hit the home button while you’re playing something, it will automatically kick on

⏹️ ▶️ Casey picture in picture, which is really awesome. Um, so anyway, so

⏹️ ▶️ Casey I really, really have liked having multitasking on it. And

⏹️ ▶️ Casey I can’t think of any like specific thing that I’ve done that has been amazing,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey But just the ability to be able to say, hang out in Slack while catching

⏹️ ▶️ Casey up on Twitter or what have you has been so awesome and genuinely changes.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey I know I’ve said that word like 18 times, but it really does. It changes the way I think

⏹️ ▶️ Casey about my iPad. And it makes me feel like even my mini is so much more capable.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey This new mini is so much more capable than the mini that came before it for me. And

⏹️ ▶️ Casey I’m really excited to be able to dig into using this a little more, not for work stuff or

⏹️ ▶️ Casey anything like that, but just to be more, I don’t know, productive or efficient maybe is

⏹️ ▶️ Casey the word I’m looking for, while even just goofing off. And so I’m really stoked with it,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey really pleased with it. And so far I’m excited that I got a cellular

⏹️ ▶️ Casey one. And I now understand Federico’s rage over people, over apps that don’t

⏹️ ▶️ Casey support the two-pane multitasking because it is really annoying.

An aside

⏹️ ▶️ John Marco were you the one who tweeted or retweeted something showing some person saying

⏹️ ▶️ John you know guys It doesn’t take too many changes to UI window to make it into it like they

⏹️ ▶️ John had they had like windows

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah Steve T S did did like just like a little like mock-up like a working mock-up demo of like

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Multiple UI windows on screen at once with draggable edges and draggable title page

⏹️ ▶️ John and this is on the iPad and what they’re basically how It looked like is OS 10 windows but with really big finger sized

⏹️ ▶️ John widgets for the little stoplight widgets, right? And it looked It looks silly and i’m going to say this

⏹️ ▶️ John is probably not the way you should go But people are mad with power now, basically like Like split

⏹️ ▶️ John view it is wait a second The cpu is capable of doing more than things at once. I need windows

⏹️ ▶️ John and I need to arrange them They’re just you know recreating all they’re recreating my desktop on their ipads, which is

⏹️ ▶️ John probably not what they want They’re they’re not

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco ready

⏹️ ▶️ John for that. But it’s uh, you know So I guess someone could do that. Maybe Apple would reject it because

⏹️ ▶️ John they’re kind of like that. Oh, this tries to make a new, you know, windowing environment. I don’t know. I’m sure

⏹️ ▶️ John Apple would find some way to reject it because like imagine an app.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah, well, there’s been a rule forever against apps that try to create their own like desktop

⏹️ ▶️ Marco type environments inside themselves to have any kind of like multiple widgets inside of one central app.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco They’re like, and it’s a very vague rule, but that’s been there since the very beginning.

⏹️ ▶️ John It’s like the one that got status board rejected, but then not because it was ridiculous to reject status board. but definitely

⏹️ ▶️ John making actual windows because I don’t even know how you would, what would you put in those windows? Like, well,

⏹️ ▶️ John think of it this way. Maybe if someone did like a sketching application for the iPad Pro where it had a bunch

⏹️ ▶️ John of palettes that were like literally just palettes, like Photoshop palettes, some kind of weird dockable palettes with big

⏹️ ▶️ John finger sized things on the top of them. Would Apple reject that because it gives too much flexibility about where you put the

⏹️ ▶️ John palettes? I don’t know. Like, it seems like there’s something there where if people,

⏹️ ▶️ John somebody is daring enough Because the ability to arrange the palettes the way you want in Photoshop or any other design

⏹️ ▶️ John application, that’s a feature. Like people have different tools that they wanna use at certain times. And I mean,

⏹️ ▶️ John it’s not that the Mac versions of these applications are infinitely flexible. You’re still kind of stuck with a set of palettes and you

⏹️ ▶️ John can arrange them and make them skinny or wide or whatever. But talk to any designer or watch them work.

⏹️ ▶️ John People have preferences about what goes where on the screen. Where is the layers palette? Where is the history palette? What’s hidden? What’s shown

⏹️ ▶️ John by default? Is it skinny or wide? What’s docked here and there? Like,

⏹️ ▶️ John is it the full screen thing or is it the small window? Like, these are just options within, you know, Photoshop.

⏹️ ▶️ John If there was an iPad Pro sketching application that gave similar flexibility, people would use that flexibility

⏹️ ▶️ John because maybe they want, like, what is the thing that they always go to? They go to the color well frequently? They change brush

⏹️ ▶️ John sizes frequently? They don’t have like a keyboard to hit the square brackets to make the brush size go up and down. So

⏹️ ▶️ John being able to sort of arrange their workspace within an application using things that, I guess you kind of

⏹️ ▶️ John not call them windows to avoid getting rejected, But I really hope Apple wouldn’t reject an app like that, because I think that’s

⏹️ ▶️ John a great idea for, and for all I know, because I’m not a designer, for all I know there are iPad Pro apps that already do this. So

⏹️ ▶️ John if that’s the case, then nevermind, it’s already been done. But if not, that’s definitely

⏹️ ▶️ John a direction that I think it’s safe, it should be safe to go in that direction with design applications, for example,

⏹️ ▶️ John on the iPad Pro.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey And seeing this multitasking, to bring it back around, just makes me understand that much

⏹️ ▶️ Casey more why someone would really like an iPad Pro, despite the fact

⏹️ ▶️ Casey that I do think it is just comically large. I can see how it would be really, really

⏹️ ▶️ Casey useful to have all that extra screen real estate. So it’s interesting, but I really, really like

⏹️ ▶️ Casey the new Retina iPad Mini. Two thumbs up for that, two thumbs up for the iPad multitasking,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey really, really been digging it.

⏹️ ▶️ John On the iPad Pro being comically large, I still, as I dwell on this, I think the problem

⏹️ ▶️ John is that it’s not big enough. not the problem, not that there’s a problem with it per se, but like the reason it seems so large is

⏹️ ▶️ John because we are comparing it to like the, you know, the quote unquote full size iPad.

⏹️ ▶️ John If it was really comically large, like as in 21 inch, no one would be comparing it to,

⏹️ ▶️ John like no one would think, oh, I’m gonna put this in my backpack. It would be for designers to work with at their desk. It’s like, why is

⏹️ ▶️ John it even an iPad at that point? Why aren’t you just, why isn’t it just a Mac? Why, you know, well, cause you’re drawing the screen with a pen

⏹️ ▶️ John and you don’t do that with a Mac. And it’s not indirect like a Cintiq where you got the Mac over here, you know, like,

⏹️ ▶️ John I still feel like it’s the direction we’re going in, albeit at this point, we’re going there at a snail’s pace because it took this long to get

⏹️ ▶️ John us a stylus and a slightly larger iPad. But I think that will solve the

⏹️ ▶️ John problem of, whoa, look at the size of this giant iPad, when you stop making that comparison at a certain

⏹️ ▶️ John point. When it becomes a thing that sits on your desk, I don’t mean that you have to plug it in, although you could plug it in,

⏹️ ▶️ John but I think there have been people who have made these very large tablet-sized

⏹️ ▶️ John things, 21 inches or whatever and they just haven’t caught on. I just don’t think the software

⏹️ ▶️ John is there for it yet but in the same way that I feel like the iPad Pro features will go downscale,

⏹️ ▶️ John at some point you can make the iPad Pro even bigger. Like why not?

⏹️ ▶️ John If it becomes a tool for designers, who wants to design things on something as puny as an iPad

⏹️ ▶️ John Pro? Like why wouldn’t you want something bigger? I think you would, naturally, eventually.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Well, why did they they stop making the 17-inch MacBook Pro?

⏹️ ▶️ John I think that is kind of like, because the laptop’s role is to be portable,

⏹️ ▶️ John right? And I don’t think the iPad’s role is necessarily to be portable, especially for design things,

⏹️ ▶️ John because they just want to draw on the screen, right? I think the Cintiqs are bigger than that size.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Well, I mean, I think the reason they killed the 17-inch MacBook Pro is probably because they just weren’t selling

⏹️ ▶️ Marco enough of them to make it worth continuing to sell. So a larger iPad than the Pro

⏹️ ▶️ Marco might have that same problem. They might, you know, there is a maximum size above which it is just too

⏹️ ▶️ Marco specialized and not enough people will buy it to make it worth Apple making it. And for MacBooks, that

⏹️ ▶️ Marco appears to be 15 inches. So what is it for iPads? It might be the iPad Pro size, it might be bigger, who

⏹️ ▶️ Marco knows?

⏹️ ▶️ John I don’t buy into that because I think the generation that’s throwing mice around the room wants something they’re gonna touch. Like, that’s why I

⏹️ ▶️ John keep saying the iPad is the future of computing. It’s not gonna be too specialized. What’s gonna be too specialized is the PCs that you

⏹️ ▶️ John can’t touch. So Apple is eventually, for those kids who are throwing those mice around the computer lab who are in kindergarten

⏹️ ▶️ John now, when they are 30 years old, I think they’re gonna want a really big

⏹️ ▶️ John touchscreen somewhere in their house to do the type of stuff they can’t do on their phones, like

⏹️ ▶️ John for sitting down. Like in the same way that we have an iMac or our laptops, or maybe they’ll just stick with laptops,

⏹️ ▶️ John I don’t know. Like the 17-inch laptop, it’s an old form factor and it’s meant to be portable, and a non-portable

⏹️ ▶️ John laptop is called a desktop and we already have that.

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco Like we have a

⏹️ ▶️ John massive 5K iMac. Like, I don’t, one fun thing to think about is, what is

⏹️ ▶️ John the upper size limit on desktop computer screens? 27 inches, that, like we went

⏹️ ▶️ John up to 30. Is that like the limit? Or at a certain point it becomes, you can’t

⏹️ ▶️ John find like a desk space big enough. It starts blocking your view out of your home. And like, it’s just,

⏹️ ▶️ John it’s just, it’s just too darn big. I have a friend who uses a television, like people who have a vision problems,

⏹️ ▶️ John you know, Not that it’s low resolution, but it’s just massive, right? I guess, you know,

⏹️ ▶️ John maybe VR headsets come and make all this a moot point. But anyway, thinking

⏹️ ▶️ John about the sizes screens can be in the future, I think there’s

⏹️ ▶️ John lots of interesting possibilities. And I think a lot of our view today is colored by

⏹️ ▶️ John what we’re comparing it to or where we slot it. You know, that’s all just getting back to Casey’s thing,

⏹️ ▶️ John it’s comic at large. And like, in some respects it is. It’s like the world’s biggest iPhone, or

⏹️ ▶️ John it’s a comically large iPad, but in other respects, it’s a comically small laptop

⏹️ ▶️ John screen detached from a keyboard. It’s a comically small iMac that you can touch, right?

⏹️ ▶️ John I don’t know. I don’t know. Anyway, that was an aside.

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⏹️ ▶️ Casey All right. So, John, you had come up with a topic or theme,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey perhaps, for the remainder of today’s episode. Would you like to introduce that and kind of kick us off?

⏹️ ▶️ John The last episode of 2015, that means you have a sort of a year-end thing. You could do a year-end review.

⏹️ ▶️ John You could do predictions for next year. I wanted to do was something kind of in between,

⏹️ ▶️ John which is a 2016 wish list with a set of rules. Of course there are rules.

⏹️ ▶️ John So the first rule is that these are not predictions. So that gets us entirely out of the game of

⏹️ ▶️ John trying to predict what is actually going to happen in 2016. Because that’s fun to do sometimes, and it’s

⏹️ ▶️ John easy to tell whether you’re right for the most part, but I don’t know, like

⏹️ ▶️ John I’m less interested in predicting what will happen than in talking about what I would like to

⏹️ ▶️ John happen. And for stuff that you would like to happen you can’t pick like blue sky

⏹️ ▶️ John stuff where it’s like if I, you know, if I could have a pony and a unicorn this is what I would want.

⏹️ ▶️ John So the rules are not predictions and pick things that are plausible and feasible

⏹️ ▶️ John and that you want to see in 2016. And I guess we’ll have to just judge whether the thing you’re asking for

⏹️ ▶️ John is a fantasy that’s never gonna happen and has to be stricken from the list. But those are the ground rules.

⏹️ ▶️ John I hope you guys did some semblance of homework. I have a text file in front of me. That sounds serious.

⏹️ ▶️ John Does it have more than one thing in it?

⏹️ ▶️ Marco It has 36 lines with text on them. Well, including white space. 36 lines. All right.

⏹️ ▶️ John And this is not even like top four that only need to be ordered. This is an unordered list. You will.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey So you might actually do okay at this, Marco.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Well, it was very hard for me to do this in a way that wasn’t just predictions. Yeah.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah. Yeah. not like the keeping it to plausible things was was fairly easy but

⏹️ ▶️ Marco making it not just a list of what I think will happen or what I think is very likely to happen that

⏹️ ▶️ Marco that is harder and I have definitely definitely had a harder time with that so my list is a little bit predictive

⏹️ ▶️ Marco and

⏹️ ▶️ John well to getting away from predictions the reason I don’t want to do predictions is because that allows cynicism in the door because you could

⏹️ ▶️ John say these dummies are going to do this even though they shouldn’t and this is more just like what do you want to happen.

⏹️ ▶️ John Like what, if you could make certain things happen and, you know, non-magical things,

⏹️ ▶️ John what do you want to see in 2016? And it can be anything tech, I guess. I mean, we’re probably all thinking of Apple stuff,

⏹️ ▶️ John but realistically it can be anything tech-related.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah, and honestly, I mean, my list is actually pretty optimistic, or like,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco it isn’t a pessimistic or cynical list because, you know, look, and my list is very, very

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Apple-focused. I just wasn’t really thinking of other stuff because, frankly, the rest of the tech industry is kind

⏹️ ▶️ Marco of boring most of the time to be honest. But you know for me the the Apple side of it I

⏹️ ▶️ Marco am optimistic simply because I think Apple in in 2015 and 2014

⏹️ ▶️ Marco really did a lot of 1.0s. Like a lot of things are either

⏹️ ▶️ Marco brand new product lines or or new product sub lines like the iPad Pro

⏹️ ▶️ Marco or you know new services like Apple Music and and photo cloud stuff. Like there

⏹️ ▶️ Marco there’s a lot of restarts and 1.0s recently, in this past year.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco And so I’m really hoping that 2016 brings a lot

⏹️ ▶️ Marco of 1.1s and 2.0s. You know, just like a lot of revision, a lot of

⏹️ ▶️ Marco maybe maturing of these lines and of these various new products. You know, just kind of a slowdown

⏹️ ▶️ Marco in brand new cutting-edge launches. Because Apple’s cutting-edge launches have been all over the map in

⏹️ ▶️ Marco terms of quality and usefulness and everything. So to have some time where

⏹️ ▶️ Marco that can be calmed down and matured and stabilized and developed further,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco rather than just more and more 1.0s of everything, would be very welcome. And

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I think that’s what will happen, and I hope that’s what will happen. So that is my

⏹️ ▶️ Marco main theme of my wishes, is just stop at the 1.0s for

⏹️ ▶️ Marco a little while and just take all these 1.0s forward to their next

⏹️ ▶️ Marco steps in their growth. Marc Thiessen

⏹️ ▶️ Casey There was a really good—well, I didn’t finish it. I only had time to read about the first half. But I

⏹️ ▶️ Casey think it was Neelay Patel wrote something on The Verge yesterday, I believe it was.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey It’s entitled, 2015 Apple’s Year in Beta. And it very

⏹️ ▶️ Casey much echoes what you just said, that basically there’s been a lot of half-cooked stuff that’s been released in this

⏹️ ▶️ Casey year, and that’s really kind of unfortunate. And I didn’t get to the portion, which actually

⏹️ ▶️ Casey sounds perhaps even more interesting to me, which is new platform ideas in search

⏹️ ▶️ Casey of sticky user behavior. So for example, 3D touch, which I find I’m using

⏹️ ▶️ Casey more and more over time, but I did not have the instant,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey like, oh my God, I’m using this always experience that I was kind of expecting to actually.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Um, so we’ll link this in the show notes, but it was, it was a little on the negative side, but I think it was

⏹️ ▶️ Casey pretty fair, all told.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah, I mean, you know, at this point in Apple’s evolution, they are really throwing a lot more spaghetti

⏹️ ▶️ Marco at the wall to see what sticks. And whether that used to happen more in private and is now more public,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco or whether, you know, as I said in a recent show, I think there just been a lot of low-hanging

⏹️ ▶️ Marco fruit that has all been picked. And now, in order to find the next big thing

⏹️ ▶️ Marco or the next success in the business, it’s harder. And

⏹️ ▶️ Marco the successes are getting smaller, relatively speaking. And all the low-hanging fruit has

⏹️ ▶️ Marco already been picked in a lot of these industries. So it’s just getting harder to find what’s next and to find

⏹️ ▶️ Marco success. And so we are seeing things that come out that are kind of like, ah, really?

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Or things that you’re not really sure will work. And many of them don’t, and many of them do. And

⏹️ ▶️ Marco it’s happening more in public now with Apple than it used to, I think. Or maybe we’re just

⏹️ ▶️ Marco remembering wrong. I don’t know. But it does seem like we are seeing a lot more things come out of Apple that are

⏹️ ▶️ Marco not clear wins from day one. Obviously, you can look back to the past and you

⏹️ ▶️ Marco can say, well, it was never perfect. And that’s true. But I think if you look at the iPhone 1.0, or

⏹️ ▶️ Marco even the early iPods, and many of their earlier 1.0

⏹️ ▶️ Marco releases versus today’s 1.0 releases. I think the number of asterisks and

⏹️ ▶️ Marco downsides in the past was probably lower than it is today. And

⏹️ ▶️ Marco in part that’s because they are a bigger company. I do think it has to do in part with Steve not being there

⏹️ ▶️ Marco anymore. And I think in part it is just because the products now are more complicated. And as I just said, it’s more

⏹️ ▶️ Marco challenging now to find new territory that will be a success.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Yeah, from this piece that I was talking about, this is Neelay Patel, and that’s really the issue. We’re not used to Apple being

⏹️ ▶️ Casey just fine. We’re used to Apple being wildly better than the competition or sometimes much worse, but

⏹️ ▶️ Casey always ahead of the curve on some significant axis. But what we got in 2015 was an Apple that released

⏹️ ▶️ Casey more products than ever, all of which felt incomplete in extremely meaningful ways, ways that meant that their

⏹️ ▶️ Casey products were just fine and often just the same as everyone else’s.

⏹️ ▶️ John Yeah, I don’t know if I buy that the premise is again long memory. But one one

⏹️ ▶️ John thing when I think of the problem, like the underlying thing, I keep coming back to my

⏹️ ▶️ John hobby horse, which is, I don’t know, like, in a world where products increasingly

⏹️ ▶️ John have a back end service component, that works against

⏹️ ▶️ John Apple. Because I don’t know if they can make those things like all their 1.0, their buggy

⏹️ ▶️ John or whatever, like I just need one more year to work out the kinks when it was just software and hardware that shipped to customers

⏹️ ▶️ John that was true they could work out the kinks they’d make the hardware better but when it’s

⏹️ ▶️ John server component things like I don’t I don’t see a lot of like there’s some progress there but it’s really

⏹️ ▶️ John slow and I that’s why I don’t have the confidence to like Oh given given a year or two

⏹️ ▶️ John like contact syncing will be a solved problem you know how long Apple’s been working on contact syncing I don’t you people don’t have

⏹️ ▶️ John many contacts I don’t have many contacts you got like hundred or so, couple hundred contacts. And I

⏹️ ▶️ John just want them to be the same everywhere and to be in sync. And this should be a solved

⏹️ ▶️ John problem. But it isn’t. And like, is it is it because Apple hasn’t had time to work on contact syncing?

⏹️ ▶️ John No, like, it’s just, I feel like there is a fundamental incapability

⏹️ ▶️ John of the organization to get past some threshold of quality. And as more and more things they make

⏹️ ▶️ John have that component, I worry that there’s like a ceiling on how good those

⏹️ ▶️ John things are going to be. How good can Apple Music be if there’s necessarily a server component? How good can Apple TV

⏹️ ▶️ John be if there’s no, you know, I don’t know. Maybe that’s my imagination, but certainly

⏹️ ▶️ John it’s true that more and more products, even if you just think of the watch where the server

⏹️ ▶️ John is kind of the phone, more and more products rely on something that is not inside

⏹️ ▶️ John the physical device to do like their main job, not as a a frill or something, right?

⏹️ ▶️ John So I don’t know if like, I don’t know, iCloud is better than

⏹️ ▶️ John dot Mac is, you know, and mobile me and all that other stuff and things have improved and they are going in the right

⏹️ ▶️ John direction. But boy, it feels like slow going. And as that slowly

⏹️ ▶️ John evolves, I like the number of new products that and new platforms for that

⏹️ ▶️ John matter that they introduced that rely on server infrastructure things to be reliable and fast

⏹️ ▶️ John and always available is outpacing the quality of their implementation of those things.

⏹️ ▶️ John So I don’t be too pessimistic. I think I feel like it is a positive trend. But they

⏹️ ▶️ John are Apple in this this past year, if I had to characterize it, it would be a year in which they a year or two

⏹️ ▶️ John in which they introduced a lot of new platforms. And every new platform was kind of crappy

⏹️ ▶️ John in the beginning. And so if you introduce a whole bunch of new platforms, you’re gonna have a whole year or two of

⏹️ ▶️ John kind of crappy. And you got to give them time to get their feet underneath them. And every platform

⏹️ ▶️ John to go through cycles like the Mac has been a shaky platform that solid and shaky than solid and shaky

⏹️ ▶️ John than solid and totally in crisis, then really crappy for a whole bunch of years. That’s the dawn of OS 10. And then solid

⏹️ ▶️ John again, then shaky again, like these things go in cycle. So I hope we’ll be on an upswing with, you

⏹️ ▶️ John know, I don’t know, are we in a currently in an upswing with iOS or downswing? I can’t I can’t really tell. I think

⏹️ ▶️ John we’re kind of plateauing with like, Do you feel like iOS is in a

⏹️ ▶️ John downswing in terms of the quality as compared to the golden age of iOS 4 maybe?

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Honestly, I think iOS is great. iOS on the iPhone I think is fantastic.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Even on the iPad, it is in many ways still pretty

⏹️ ▶️ Marco half-assed on the iPad as its own thing versus the iPhone versus just

⏹️ ▶️ Marco being a blown-up phone OS. It still needs a lot of work to really stand on its

⏹️ ▶️ Marco own on the iPad. But iOS in general and iOS on the iPhone itself, I think the current

⏹️ ▶️ Marco version, which is 9, is very solid. I’m very happy with 9. So

⏹️ ▶️ John like performance, UI, reliability, APIs, it all just seems like

⏹️ ▶️ John this is a new, you know, a good period for iOS where the UI in 7

⏹️ ▶️ John has kind of had most of the kinks worked out of it, you feel?

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah, for the most part. I mean, nothing’s perfect, but I think iOS is pretty solid

⏹️ ▶️ Marco now. Design-wise, obviously there’s a lot that can use improvement with

⏹️ ▶️ Marco the iOS 7 design language, and some of it I just think will not be improved.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Some of it would require changing that design language in ways that I don’t think the current

⏹️ ▶️ Marco software designers in power at Apple would ever allow. So I don’t think that’s going to happen.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco But overall, I think iOS, and especially iOS on the iPhone,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco is solid. There are some things that are weird. As you mentioned, anything that touches a cloud service can be weird.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I don’t know how many people out there with iPhones are very frequently asked

⏹️ ▶️ Marco to re-enter their iCloud password and settings.

⏹️ ▶️ John Periodically asked. It’s like rain. It’s the dark sky app for when

⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey am I going to be asked for my iCloud

⏹️ ▶️ John password. Today, you’re going

⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey to be

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco asked 17 times. you will not be asking again

⏹️ ▶️ John for three weeks. Why? I don’t know.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco In my case, I very frequently will wake up to a phone that I need to re-enter

⏹️ ▶️ Marco my passcode on that hasn’t rebooted, but it just won’t do. It says Touch ID because it’s been more than 48 hours, and

⏹️ ▶️ Marco it’s been like seven hours. And so there’s little stuff like

⏹️ ▶️ Marco that, but in general, using the phone, the OS,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco in general, I would say both iOS and Mac OS X in their current versions of

⏹️ ▶️ Marco iOS 9 and El Capitan. I think both are pretty solid, pretty

⏹️ ▶️ Marco good releases.

Wishes for Apple TV

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I would say that the Apple TV needs a lot of work. The actual

⏹️ ▶️ Marco OS level, the core kernel and everything seem fine.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco The UI on the Apple TV, I think, needs a lot of work.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco It is very much a UI designed to look good in screenshots and ads,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco and very much not a UI designed to use well at all. And the only thing you need to do to see this

⏹️ ▶️ Marco is buy a TV show on iTunes. It’s so bad. Buy a TV season on iTunes.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco It’s… Oh my god. It is so clearly not designed

⏹️ ▶️ Marco by anybody who ever actually has done this or needs to do this. It was designed to look good on the screenshot once.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco And it does seem like the print marketing group or whoever took over the software

⏹️ ▶️ Marco UI design. Apple TV, the new Apple TV is an example of

⏹️ ▶️ Marco how that can go pretty badly wrong against usability and I hope they see that and

⏹️ ▶️ Marco work on that because it is pretty rough right now in a few areas like that that are pretty common. And to

⏹️ ▶️ Marco the point where like this Christmas, you know, usually we give Apple TVs to our relatives here

⏹️ ▶️ Marco and there and this Christmas we didn’t give one to anybody because we don’t want to support it.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco And it’s, yeah, it’s not in a good spot, but

⏹️ ▶️ John it’s kind of ironic you blame that on like the the print design mentality when really what they need is like what

⏹️ ▶️ John print design morphed into which is web design because when print when print morphed into web design they brought

⏹️ ▶️ John on the information architecture people to explain to them it’s not so much what your screens look like

⏹️ ▶️ John it’s what screens are and how they connect to each other and how the people get a sense of place about it and

⏹️ ▶️ John how many screens you know like plain old wireframe information architecture came in to combine

⏹️ ▶️ John with the print people to say when you do web design it’s not a bunch of pages you have to actually design you know

⏹️ ▶️ John the the information flow and how it’s connected and how it’s organized in a way that makes sense to people allows them to

⏹️ ▶️ John get where they want to go in a reasonable fashion and not feel lost and all that other stuff whereas yeah

⏹️ ▶️ John that I feel about the Apple TV with a lot of the screens look really good but they’re they’re

⏹️ ▶️ John not connected to each other in a sensible way and there seem to be too many of them and a lot of time

⏹️ ▶️ John I feel like I’m going through too many screens or I lose track of where I am so that’s That’s just plain old, straight

⏹️ ▶️ John up, a Riley Poehler Bear book business.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah, so that is one thing on my wish list. I really hope that the Apple TV gets

⏹️ ▶️ Marco just some UI tweaks to make it more usable. Because right now it is

⏹️ ▶️ Marco so poorly usable in so many little areas like that. And it seems

⏹️ ▶️ Marco like the fix is not difficult. It just takes some rethinking of certain screen layouts. And

⏹️ ▶️ Marco so I hope they do that.

⏹️ ▶️ John So is that one item, let Marco go first, is that count as one item, is he saying that

⏹️ ▶️ John he thinks what he wants to see is the Apple TV

⏹️ ▶️ John getting some improvements, some reasonable improvements, because it’s a new platform and there’s a lot of obvious things they

⏹️ ▶️ John can do.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah, and also, while I’m talking about the Apple TV, I would also say, this

⏹️ ▶️ Marco has a brand new app store, the implementation of the store itself is pretty bad, and

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I would love to see that improved as well. and in the area of apps for the Apple TV,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco you know, it’s still very early. There are very few apps available for it. I would love to see,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco you know, whenever a new platform comes out, you have people like, like on the Apple TV, I know Guy English has talked

⏹️ ▶️ Marco a lot about this on his podcast and blog. Like, you kind of want to see like,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco not just porting iPhone apps to it, but we want to see like, what new kinds of apps

⏹️ ▶️ Marco does this make possible that we haven’t thought of yet? And on the Apple TV, we haven’t seen that yet.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I’m curious to know if during 2016 we will see some new kind of app

⏹️ ▶️ Marco take off on the Apple TV that wouldn’t work just as well or better on a phone. Like something that really

⏹️ ▶️ Marco takes advantage of being a TV app. So I would love to see that come from the third

⏹️ ▶️ Marco party community, and I hope it does. I really do hope it does. And I also hope that the Apple TV becomes

⏹️ ▶️ Marco a first class game platform to release on for iOS games.

⏹️ ▶️ John I’m gonna hit the pie in the sky buzzer on that one.

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco No I know,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I know. Obviously I’m not expecting console games to be launched

⏹️ ▶️ Marco to it, but I think games that are launching on iOS or that are having success on

⏹️ ▶️ Marco iOS, I hope that they get ported quickly to the Apple TV or launched simultaneously would be

⏹️ ▶️ Marco probably the pie in the sky goal for now. But it would be nice to see it get more gaming status

⏹️ ▶️ Marco because it It is really fun to play good games on the Apple TV, but that

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I think, you know, if I would if this is a predictions episode, I would honestly predict neither

⏹️ ▶️ Marco of those things would happen. Neither it being a first party thing for games, nor us seeing some really amazing

⏹️ ▶️ Marco apps for it. I would actually say neither of those are likely to happen, but they’re both plausible, and

⏹️ ▶️ Marco they’re both things that I wish would happen.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey So how are we summarizing the 93 points you just made?

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Apple TV, colon, get better.

⏹️ ▶️ John Yeah, there you go. He had some definitely some plausible things that could be done to Apple TV. I think he drifted

⏹️ ▶️ John off into unicorns in the game.

⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey You got a PS4 now. You

⏹️ ▶️ John don’t have to worry about that. Oh, goodness. All right. your turn.

Wishes for App Store

⏹️ ▶️ Casey So I have a handful. And what do I want to use first? Okay. I will use

⏹️ ▶️ Casey app store improvements. App store colon get better.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, John Um,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey I think that it’s easy for me to, to, to make these

⏹️ ▶️ Casey sorts of, uh, wishes and hopes and dreams and, and decisions from the position

⏹️ ▶️ Casey of someone who really, this is, this doesn’t affect me, but for those friends that I have, like Marco, like

⏹️ ▶️ Casey underscore and so many others that, that try to make a living out of the app store, I would really

⏹️ ▶️ Casey love to see things get better for independent developers.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey And I’m not really clear how. I mean, a lot of the, the standard answers like trials

⏹️ ▶️ Casey and things like that, that may or may not improve things, but whatever the answer is,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey especially what with the shakeup that we discussed either last week or the week before, I’d really like to

⏹️ ▶️ Casey see, and I think it’s plausible to see the app store get better, actually both for

⏹️ ▶️ Casey independent developers, which is how I was originally coming at this, but also for users, you know, see search get better to

⏹️ ▶️ Casey see things like a home sharing. I’ve never tried because I’m petrified of trying it because I’ve heard it’s

⏹️ ▶️ Casey terrible. All of that. Can we just make that better,

⏹️ ▶️ John please? That’s a pretty vague item. I mean, it is is plausible, definitely plausible. Like if you picked one thing,

⏹️ ▶️ John for example, say you’d picked upgrade pricing, 100% plausible, that’s merely a policy change, it could happen,

⏹️ ▶️ John you could have said, but instead, you just kind of punted and said, I want something better to happen for the app store,

⏹️ ▶️ John but you’re not willing to say what that is. I can see that it’s definitely a lot of plausible things.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Yeah. And I think the thing of it is, is that I’m not so convinced that all the things everyone’s been

⏹️ ▶️ Casey whining about are the right answer. They may be, you know, uh, upgrade pricing might help

⏹️ ▶️ Casey a lot. Um, trials might help a lot, but I’m not sure those are the silver

⏹️ ▶️ Casey bullets everyone says they are. And I haven’t been able to come up with the silver bullet and I’m pretty

⏹️ ▶️ Casey sure if I if I could, I would be much better compensated than I am. And I’d probably be

⏹️ ▶️ Casey working at Apple. But whatever the answer may be, there’s got to be something out there. There’s got

⏹️ ▶️ Casey to be a way to make things better. Maybe it’s more transparency. Okay, I’ll go with that. Maybe it’s just a little bit

⏹️ ▶️ Casey more transparency. Now, now you might have to hit the pie in the sky buzzer. But

⏹️ ▶️ John I think it’s an easy one, like to say that, like, the problem when when app developers

⏹️ ▶️ John have their application in review, and they have just like a status line with a canned message that tells them

⏹️ ▶️ John what phase it’s in, or when it gets rejected, like the fact that they

⏹️ ▶️ John can’t immediately connect with someone to have a humane discussion

⏹️ ▶️ John about the issues at hand. Like, that just is like, there’s some misunderstanding that could be cleared up with a five minute conversation

⏹️ ▶️ John with a person who is empowered to do something and that conversation can never happen. You can send email, you can

⏹️ ▶️ John wait for a response. Sometimes the response makes it clear that they didn’t understand what you said. just like I

⏹️ ▶️ John don’t know if you call it transparency or like communication or like maybe it’s a scaling problem where they just can’t have

⏹️ ▶️ John individual people talk to individual developers about their problems with their applications. And a lot of it

⏹️ ▶️ John just has to be canned responses. But yeah, I think that could definitely improve even if you just threw

⏹️ ▶️ John manpower at it or woman power or human power, but just to just say, hire, hire more people

⏹️ ▶️ John to, you know, so there is someone always someone available, a knowledgeable

⏹️ ▶️ John person available to discuss an app rejection to explain what the deal is,

⏹️ ▶️ John what needs to be done to fix it. If there’s a misunderstanding going on, you know, cause I, one of

⏹️ ▶️ John the ones I’ve seen a couple of times is someone will submit an application and it’ll

⏹️ ▶️ John get rejected for reading or writing files from a forbidden location, but the code that is reading or writing the forbidden

⏹️ ▶️ John files is from inside an Apple framework. And it’s not clear. It’s

⏹️ ▶️ John not clear. Like, did I use the framework wrong? that caught that I misconfigure it and call an API, you know, that

⏹️ ▶️ John on some kind of misconfigured object, and that’s why it wrote into the wrong a bad place? Or is it a bug in Apple’s own code,

⏹️ ▶️ John where no matter how you use this API, it has the potential to write files in a forbidden place or whatever. And so

⏹️ ▶️ John developers who get that message, get that rejection, or like, well, what do I do now? Can I

⏹️ ▶️ John not use that framework? Because it’s like, as far as they’re concerned, it’s not their code that’s doing it. And all the need is

⏹️ ▶️ John someone whoever did this rejection, if Apple even knows to say, Oh, yeah, no, you know, I know, it’s

⏹️ ▶️ John our code doing it. But it’s because you’re using our API in the wrong way. You’re using it like this, that

⏹️ ▶️ John and that. And it causes the right files here. If you use it in this other way, I won’t do that or have someone have the conversation

⏹️ ▶️ John and go, Oh, you’re right, you’re not doing anything wrong. That’s just a bug in our framework. And those conversations

⏹️ ▶️ John either seem to happen way too slowly or not happen at all. And a lot of developers get frustrated

⏹️ ▶️ John by a rejection that’s not actionable, Like they don’t know what to do. They just throw up their hands and say,

⏹️ ▶️ John well, what am I supposed to do about that? Am I not supposed to use that framework? Am I doing something wrong? In some respects, like, well,

⏹️ ▶️ John you know, it’s not Apple’s job to write your application for you, but I don’t know. I’ve seen enough of those cases

⏹️ ▶️ John that I think a better, a more human connection with the

⏹️ ▶️ John faceless machine that is AppReview could benefit all developers.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah, I mean, to me, like my 2016 wish in regards to App Store improvement is

⏹️ ▶️ Marco much more broad and vague because honestly I don’t

⏹️ ▶️ Marco expect a lot of these things that you’ve mentioned to happen. My

⏹️ ▶️ Marco wish is simply show us a sign that things might be changing for the

⏹️ ▶️ Marco better because, you know, we got the Phil taking over thing last week.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Show us a sign of movement in the right direction in actual App Store

⏹️ ▶️ Marco status or behavior or policy. For years, the attitude of the App Store,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco shown by both their communication and by their action or rather

⏹️ ▶️ Marco inaction for the most part, the attitude has been, really nothing here needs to be changed, everything

⏹️ ▶️ Marco is fine, and the system we have now is good and works well. In reality,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco the system they have now is okay and works okay, but

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I would not say that there’s there’s no room for improvement, whereas the attitude from them keeps being,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco by their own actions, keeps being, we don’t need to improve this, because they really just haven’t.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco So I would like to see just some sign that they believe,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco that they agree inside, that they believe that there are things that could use significant

⏹️ ▶️ Marco improvement, and that they are working on them. Because we really have seen nothing of that sort so far.

⏹️ ▶️ John You just want to issue an apology, or make a statement of purpose, or make a mission statement to say

⏹️ ▶️ John we agree things are wrong and we will fix them somehow vaguely?

⏹️ ▶️ Marco No, I mean I would like to see action but it doesn’t have to be a big action yet just like some kind

⏹️ ▶️ Marco of action that shows that that they are changing things in the App Store that they are not satisfied

⏹️ ▶️ Marco with the App Store because that’s the thing like they appear so incredibly satisfied with it and that and

⏹️ ▶️ Marco just so little has changed about it in seven years or whatever like I just

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I want to see something that indicates that Apple truly believes this is not good enough.

⏹️ ▶️ John Casey said that he didn’t know, you know, like he didn’t have any specific things maybe trials aren’t it, maybe upgrade

⏹️ ▶️ John pricing isn’t in it, he wasn’t sure exactly what it was. Well, Apple’s not sure about

⏹️ ▶️ John the same things. They’re not sure that because if they were sure that upgrades would fix it they would do it. If they’re sure the trials would make things better

⏹️ ▶️ John they would do it. So obviously they also agree with you Casey, they’re not quite sure what to do and so they’re doing nothing.

⏹️ ▶️ John And like it’s the same same thing with with Marco’s request here. If you don’t have a specific thing, like,

⏹️ ▶️ John I know you want something to happen, but someone inside Apple would have to pick which thing it is. And it’s potentially

⏹️ ▶️ John dangerous because say you’re wrong and trials makes the app store worse instead of better. I mean,

⏹️ ▶️ John I guess that would kind of fill Marcos thing because at least it would be showing well we tried something at least instead of just saying, Oh, we’re, you know,

⏹️ ▶️ John like, I think the impression you’re getting Marco is like, because if they don’t do anything, we just assume, well, I guess they must

⏹️ ▶️ John think it’s fine, because they never do anything and it doesn’t change. Yes. And so it’s like, yeah.

⏹️ ▶️ John And so them doing something, even if it was the wrong thing, would at least show that they have some

⏹️ ▶️ John internal dissatisfaction. It could be argued that the the management reshuffle counts as something, even though

⏹️ ▶️ John it is not a change yet, that affects developers, it does at least show that they think there

⏹️ ▶️ John is something amiss somewhere inside Apple’s organization, whether they think the thing that’s amiss is the App

⏹️ ▶️ John Store or some other thing that was affected by the shuffle. We We don’t know, but I don’t know. I

⏹️ ▶️ John can let that one slide by because it is definitely

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco plausible that they will do

⏹️ ▶️ John something. Something vague that we will not specify.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Steve McLaughlin Hey, I had to skirt the system somehow just for you. That’s your first.

Wishes for Macs

⏹️ ▶️ John You guys are getting vague and big picture. Mine’s are just so super specific

⏹️ ▶️ John and so easy. I want a new Mac Pro. So does Marco, so does everybody.

⏹️ ▶️ John Everyone wants a new, who

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco doesn’t want a new Mac Pro? A Mac Pro

⏹️ ▶️ John in every pot. It’s a new Mac Pro with Thunderbolt 3

⏹️ ▶️ John and my sub-item is a new 5K external display to drive off the thing. Like, we all know

⏹️ ▶️ John we want it. We know it has to be coming. Just make a new Mac Pro. It’s entirely plausible, 100% plausible,

⏹️ ▶️ John and it should come in 2016. And when it comes, I’ll be excited, because I like that, and I might even

⏹️ ▶️ John buy one.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah, I have that also on my list, of course, under a heading of

⏹️ ▶️ Marco just complete the Retina transition. And so what this would have to include

⏹️ ▶️ Marco is a desktop standalone 5K display, and the ability

⏹️ ▶️ Marco for the Mac Pro and the laptops to drive it.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco And maybe the Mac Mini as well, that would be nice. I’m not expecting much on that front because the Mac Mini

⏹️ ▶️ Marco is so rarely updated, but that would be nice. People hook up screens to Mac Minis? That aren’t

⏹️ ▶️ Marco TVs, right? Yeah, so, yeah, I totally, I mean, and this is very plausible because

⏹️ ▶️ Marco this is going to be the year of Skylake. And, you know, we got like

⏹️ ▶️ Marco little trickles of Skylake so far. 2016 should be, if Intel has everything together, which is

⏹️ ▶️ Marco not a given, but if they have everything together, this should be the year of Skylake everywhere. So this should

⏹️ ▶️ Marco be the laptops, finally all of them, all the Pros going Skylake, the MacBook

⏹️ ▶️ Marco One going Skylake and getting its USB-C port upgraded to also have Thunderbolt coming out of it. The MacBook

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Pro Retina line, I expect to be not only upgraded to Skylake, but

⏹️ ▶️ Marco to also get a redesign. We’ve heard rumors here and there that it will, and I think the timing is right because the current

⏹️ ▶️ Marco design came out in 2012, and Skylake gives them an excuse to make the battery smaller. So I expect there

⏹️ ▶️ Marco to be a MacBook Pro, Skylake refresh. This is, sorry, getting into predictions,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco but this is all just part of it. I want this to be finally completing

⏹️ ▶️ Marco the Retina transition in the Mac lineup because it has been partially complete,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco literally since 2012. And we are so close, we’re so close. And

⏹️ ▶️ Marco we’re just not quite there yet until we can get Skylake that can drive, Skylake chipsets

⏹️ ▶️ Marco with Thunderbolt 3 that can drive external 5K displays over a single cable. And that is so

⏹️ ▶️ Marco close, we are so close to that.

⏹️ ▶️ John Do you wanna see them get rid of the MacBook Air?

⏹️ ▶️ Marco So here’s what I think will happen on that front.

⏹️ ▶️ John Not what you think will happen, do you want them to get rid of it? Like would you be happy, like if you could tell Apple

⏹️ ▶️ John what to do essentially? Because discontinuing the MacBook Air is entirely feasible. So if you were in charge of Apple,

⏹️ ▶️ John you say, you know what, in 2016, stop making the MacBook Air.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco First of all, I think that would be too soon. I wouldn’t, I would expect the MacBook Air to get

⏹️ ▶️ Marco updates from now on on a similar schedule to when the Mac Mini gets updates. I would expect that

⏹️ ▶️ Marco they wouldn’t get rid of the Air without compelling things taking its place. So obviously on the low

⏹️ ▶️ Marco end you have the MacBook One. But the MacBook One really does not

⏹️ ▶️ Marco replace the Air in a number of ways because it is so much slower and

⏹️ ▶️ Marco so much more limited and has so many more compromises for that thinness than even the Air does.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I do think though that when they redesign the Skylake MacBook Pros,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco the Retina MacBook Pro, I do think the newly thinner, lighter 13-inch

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Retina MacBook Pro will be so close to the 13-inch MacBook Air that I think

⏹️ ▶️ Marco it will make the MacBook Air far less relevant. So then on the low end, you have

⏹️ ▶️ Marco the MacBook 1 eating into the 11-inch, and then you have the new thinner

⏹️ ▶️ Marco 13-inch MacBook Pro eating into the 13-inch Air. And then I think the Air line

⏹️ ▶️ Marco is pretty much obviated at that point. That doesn’t mean Apple will stop selling it because today’s Apple does not

⏹️ ▶️ Marco stop selling anything ever. But I do think both ends will then be

⏹️ ▶️ Marco adequately attacked and will be clearly replaced for most Air buyers

⏹️ ▶️ Marco at that point.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey So Marco, you had said that you want a new Mac Pro

⏹️ ▶️ Casey and God help me for encouraging you to talk about this more, but why? What

⏹️ ▶️ Casey would this phantom new Mac Pro do for you that your, and I don’t mean this sarcastically,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey beloved 5K iMac doesn’t do?

⏹️ ▶️ Marco For the most part, I’m not sure I would get the next generation Mac Pro. I might get the

⏹️ ▶️ Marco one after that. Ultimately, what I want out of my computer that the current iMac is not

⏹️ ▶️ Marco satisfying me with is just even more sheer CPU performance. Like that

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I always want more CPU performance than what I have. And the way Intel’s moving these days,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco new CPU performance does not come easily. It does not come quickly. Skylake is

⏹️ ▶️ Marco a substantial boost. Not like, you know, twice as fast, but it’s you know it’s faster by a noticeable

⏹️ ▶️ Marco amount. And I would get way more cores. I would probably go 8 core if

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I got a Mac Pro. Maybe even 12, but that would probably be insanely priced, so I would probably go with eight.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco As time goes on, my CPU needs just are increasing. You know, now I’m taking way more

⏹️ ▶️ Marco pictures, and now that I have this awesome new camera, processing those pictures is insane. I’m shooting

⏹️ ▶️ Marco 4K video now with my awesome iPhone camera, and my fancy camera, but you know, even more with the iPhone. You know, so I’m dealing

⏹️ ▶️ Marco with bigger video files, dealing with bigger photos. As I’m compiling more code, and I’ll be transitioning to

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Swift fairly soon, all the CPU needs of everything keep going up for compilation and everything.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco So ultimately I push my computer to the limit fairly often

⏹️ ▶️ Marco in my work. And not for like massively long sustained periods for the most

⏹️ ▶️ Marco part, but for like brief periods of I just need all the horsepower I can get for the next two minutes kind of thing.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco And I do that kind of thing frequently. So I really would like more CPU power. And that

⏹️ ▶️ Marco is mainly what I’d be looking for. In all other ways, I’m extremely happy with

⏹️ ▶️ Marco the Time Mac. And even CPU power wise, versus the lineup that’s available today,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco it is at the top for single-threaded. I guess the newer Broadwell-based one

⏹️ ▶️ Marco probably beats it by a few percentage points, but it is, relative to the entire Mac lineup, it is one of the

⏹️ ▶️ Marco top couple or top three that have ever existed in single-threaded performance. And even

⏹️ ▶️ Marco in multi-core, it is pretty far up the list until you get into the very high-core count Mac

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Pros. So it is really close to as good as you can get already. That’s why I’m

⏹️ ▶️ Marco saying I would probably wait a generation of Mac Pro, but I don’t know if the

⏹️ ▶️ Marco generations keep being two or three years long. That might change. You know, it’s like the Mac Pro has a timing issue because

⏹️ ▶️ Marco the Xeons that it would use that would go in an update, the Broadwell Xeons

⏹️ ▶️ Marco are coming out like next week, but that chipset will not support Thunderbolt 3. So that chipset

⏹️ ▶️ Marco most likely won’t be able to drive a theoretical 5k Apple display. But the

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Skylake Xeons are coming out, you you know, quote, later this year, that would be a way better chip

⏹️ ▶️ Marco to use in a Mac Pro update in theory, because then you could rev the whole thing with Thunderbolt 3,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco USB-C ports, and the ability to drive a new 5K monitor. So I hope

⏹️ ▶️ Marco that’s what they do. I don’t know that’s what they’ll do, but I hope they will wait for Skylake-E chips and

⏹️ ▶️ Marco give us a nice, solid update. And if they do, that would be a really interesting option for me to consider,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco but I would probably still want to wait a generation just to get a bigger boost

⏹️ ▶️ Marco over what I have now.

⏹️ ▶️ John You’re talking like me now. Oh, I don’t wanna buy this one, I wanna buy the next one. But the difference is, historically, is that you

⏹️ ▶️ John do buy this one, and also the next one. Truth.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco That’s usually the case, yeah. Well, once I learned how easy it is to resell Macs, it makes

⏹️ ▶️ Marco it a lot easier, because then it becomes like, well, is it worth spending $1,000 to use this computer for 18 months? And

⏹️ ▶️ Marco it’s like, sometimes the answer is yes. If you can get

⏹️ ▶️ Marco the best computer in the world for what you do every single day, buy it when it comes out and then sell

⏹️ ▶️ Marco it a year later for, you know, $500 to $1,000 less than what you paid. That’s not that bad.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco That’s pretty good,

⏹️ ▶️ John actually. If someone wants to make a cottage business, you could be the only client and they could just rent you Macs

⏹️ ▶️ John like they rent you headphones and cameras. Right,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey yeah. So, I mean, I guess that’s fine and makes sense. I’m surprised that you

⏹️ ▶️ Casey really are CPU bound that often because about the only time I’m CPU bound is when I’m, you know, compressing video files that I’ve like

⏹️ ▶️ Casey ripped from a Blu-ray or something like that. It’s so rare that I’m CPU bound on anything else that I do.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey I don’t know. All right, so whose turn is it now? Marco’s, I believe?

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I mean, it basically, it’s still John’s Mac Pro topic. Well, you had it on your list too. It was a

⏹️ ▶️ John duplicate.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah, and it really is, you know, for me, it really is part of this kind of, this general thing of like, I hope it’s gonna be the year of Skylake

⏹️ ▶️ Marco everywhere, and also finally finish the Retina transition on Mac. Finally cover the whole

⏹️ ▶️ Marco product line with Retina.

⏹️ ▶️ John No, I know how Tiff feels. Marco cannot follow instructions.

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco No.

⏹️ ▶️ John All it’s about what he predicts and what he,

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco No, that’s a wish that’s because that is not

⏹️ ▶️ Marco that is not guaranteed. You know like this this 5k display might not actually come out.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John Yeah, you know like

⏹️ ▶️ Marco the a new Mac Pro using sky like might not come out or it might come out using Broadwell and not have Thunderbolt

⏹️ ▶️ Marco three for the next three years. We have no idea.

⏹️ ▶️ John Yeah, like my my actually my items are two things like I want a new Mac Pro even

⏹️ ▶️ John if it’s just the Broadwell one and the sub item is I want a new 5k display and so if I get one of those I get

⏹️ ▶️ John a new Mac Pro. Yeah, I’m glad because here’s why I’d want a new Mac Pro. Even though it doesn’t drive the 5K display,

⏹️ ▶️ John even though I’ve said that I’m not gonna buy it until it does, a new Mac Pro would signal

⏹️ ▶️ John that the Mac Pro is not on the Mac Mini update cycle.

⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey You know what I mean? Like

⏹️ ▶️ John that it is a line of computers that they consider updating on something approaching a reasonable schedule

⏹️ ▶️ John based on the availability of the chips that everyone thinks they should put in. Unlike the Mini which is like, eh, we’ll skip

⏹️ ▶️ John a year or two, whatever. And then someone wakes up and goes, oh, Mac Mini, what? All right, here’s a new one. and goes

⏹️ ▶️ John back to sleep again.

Wishes for Swift on the server

⏹️ ▶️ Casey I would like to see some sort of solid

⏹️ ▶️ Casey story, I guess, around Swift on the server. Something that’s considered,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey that’s deliberate, that’s well thought out. Some sort of nice Swift on the server

⏹️ ▶️ Casey package setup, framework, whatever adjective you’d like to use. I want to

⏹️ ▶️ Casey see Swift on the server. I think that’d be cool. From

⏹️ ▶️ John Apple or from somebody else?

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Don’t care. I mean, from Apple would be better, I guess, since it’s first party. But really, if there was some

⏹️ ▶️ Casey accepted and understood standard, I would really love to see it. Not one of those

⏹️ ▶️ Casey situations like CocoaPods versus Carthage or anything like that. In honest-to-goodness,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey good, robust, mature, as much as it can be given this is all new,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Swift on the server framework. I think that would be really, really awesome.

⏹️ ▶️ John I almost had an item like that on my list, but I didn’t quite know how to phrase it. And I am obviously more demanding

⏹️ ▶️ John about avoiding vagueness than either of you are. But it was

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco like, you

⏹️ ▶️ John know, like, maybe, you know, did we just need a bunch of libraries for

⏹️ ▶️ John HTTP for just handling the protocol? And then like, you know, sort of web frameworks on top of that?

⏹️ ▶️ John Or another possibility is some standardized way to

⏹️ ▶️ John talk to databases from a Swift? You know, like, is there so many pieces? and I’m thinking

⏹️ ▶️ John obviously, you know, quote unquote, web applications or web applications may just be something that, that,

⏹️ ▶️ John you know, accepts and returns JSON over HTTP. Is that a web application or you know, but just what we

⏹️ ▶️ John think of as well, when you say server side things, that’s what we’re all talking about. Like, not many people are making servers these

⏹️ ▶️ John days that aren’t talking HTTP, right. And so

⏹️ ▶️ John I don’t know if you need, like, especially in the first year, like, it’s too much

⏹️ ▶️ John to ask, I think, to say, oh, there should be a giant proliferation of web

⏹️ ▶️ John framework things and they should all duke it out until one clear victor emerges, like that’s gonna take like five years, right?

⏹️ ▶️ John So maybe we’ll start smaller and say, how about just a standard for starting

⏹️ ▶️ John a server, listening on a port, dealing with HTTP, sending, receiving requests and sending

⏹️ ▶️ John responses, sort of the bare bones, the equivalent of, you know, WSGI in Python

⏹️ ▶️ John or PSGI, Plack and Perl or whatever, like maybe we’ll start with that. That seems like a reasonable

⏹️ ▶️ John one year goal. And even there, I bet there’d be like five competing standards and they have to just duke it out. And then the

⏹️ ▶️ John second year, it’ll be clear which one is the best support or whatever. But yeah, I would

⏹️ ▶️ John really like something like that too. I just didn’t know how to phrase it.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Yeah, and I mean, people have started doing this. There’s Taylor, which the chat

⏹️ ▶️ Casey room is linking me to. We’ll put that in the show notes. I feel like there was something else with a really cheesy name. There’s one called

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Nest, I think. Oh, I’m not familiar with that. Wasn’t there one called like Perfect or something?

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, John Yeah, I’m sure there’s like 19 of them. Like

⏹️ ▶️ John we’re asking for is like there to be one or two that are really good, well supported, debugged,

⏹️ ▶️ John that people are building things on. Like it’s, it’s a tough year one goal. Like, I mean, I think we’ll be making

⏹️ ▶️ John progress in it, but anytime you sort of give this kind of playground to people, no pun intended,

⏹️ ▶️ John they’re, they’re just going to, everyone’s going to try a whole bunch of things and there’s, I don’t know if you can really fast forward

⏹️ ▶️ John through that to get to the end part where we all decide on jQuery or whatever and regret it because jQuery is too big

⏹️ ▶️ John and we have I do. Yeah, I forget. I don’t want to bring JavaScript into this. It’s too painful.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Oh, God, you and your JavaScript. All right. Any other thoughts on this? Or should we move back to

⏹️ ▶️ John to John. All right, John.

Wishes for HFS++

⏹️ ▶️ John All right, so my second or third if you count the 5k display item list

⏹️ ▶️ John I’m gonna throw this out there because remember this is not a prediction not a prediction new file system

⏹️ ▶️ John ding

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco ding file

⏹️ ▶️ John system for For OS 10 and for iOS sure they can have it too if they really want

⏹️ ▶️ John it’s fine I think it’s plausible how long has Apple known they need a new

⏹️ ▶️ John file system for a really really long time They should have been working on this for years and years and years

⏹️ ▶️ John and years and years years and they should have been working out and they have been like they’ve worked out long enough to have a ZFS dead end

⏹️ ▶️ John many years back like I feel like it is plausible I don’t think it’s gonna happen

⏹️ ▶️ John I feel like if I had to predict I would say 2017 ish but it is plausible and so when I sit down

⏹️ ▶️ John to watch WWDC whether in person or remotely in 2016

⏹️ ▶️ John I am going to have a plausible hope as opposed to this year which was a slightly less plausible hope

⏹️ ▶️ John that they announce a new file system and I guess they would announce it in the context of the Mac or maybe

⏹️ ▶️ John they wouldn’t announce it at all I don’t even know I just want it to exist um so again this is not a prediction

⏹️ ▶️ John this is a wish and I believe it is and if it’s not plausible shame on Apple because if you say oh it’s

⏹️ ▶️ John too soon we just started work on this project six months ago you did did you you really started six months ago? Anyway,

⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey new file system.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Yeah, good luck. All right, Marco, for you.

Wishes for Apple Watch

⏹️ ▶️ Marco So, I have this whole section here on the Apple Watch.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I want the Apple Watch to find its way. By all accounts, the Apple Watch is doing

⏹️ ▶️ Marco decently. By many people’s estimations, looking at server logs and everything, it does seem

⏹️ ▶️ Marco like many of them were given as Christmas gifts this past week. And before that, it

⏹️ ▶️ Marco seems like the Apple Watch was doing decently sales-wise. Not a massive,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco like, setting the world on fire kind of thing. Not the next iPhone by any means. doing decently.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco So sales wise it seems like it’s gonna be here to stay. It’s a line

⏹️ ▶️ Marco that is working for Apple. I worry that it will have the same growth curve

⏹️ ▶️ Marco as the iPad. It will shoot up now as it’s the new cool thing and then a

⏹️ ▶️ Marco lot of people will just drop off or the upgrade cycle will become very long, way longer than Apple wants

⏹️ ▶️ Marco it to be. I think the Apple Watch is a product that it is like 75%

⏹️ ▶️ Marco good. It just needs a lot of refinement because

⏹️ ▶️ Marco everything it does, like it does things that are incredibly compelling and it just does them all

⏹️ ▶️ Marco like almost really well. So for the last few days I have been wearing a mechanical

⏹️ ▶️ Marco watch. I have not worn my Apple watch since I don’t know a week ago or so. So I’m

⏹️ ▶️ Marco wearing a mechanical watch that I got as a Christmas gift and I’m learning what this world is like.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco One of the cool things about a mechanical watch besides the fact that I think honestly I’m finally

⏹️ ▶️ Marco understanding when the when the the watch people said when the Apple watch

⏹️ ▶️ Marco launched that that is just not a fashion item like when you compare

⏹️ ▶️ Marco the way like traditional style watches look versus the way the Apple

⏹️ ▶️ Marco watch looks I think you can say in isolation that the Apple watch can look good

⏹️ ▶️ Marco you know in many of its configuration I think it does look good, but when you compare it fashionability-wise

⏹️ ▶️ Marco to a mechanical watch, I think it’s honestly no contest. But

⏹️ ▶️ Marco it’s not even the same league. But that’s okay, you know, it doesn’t need to be. It just needs to be good. But anyway,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco there are so many areas of it in which, like, the notifications. I do miss, now that I’m wearing this watch, I

⏹️ ▶️ Marco do miss, like, when Casey, who sent me a message earlier, my pocket and

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I glanced at my wrist and only saw the time. And I do miss like

⏹️ ▶️ Marco having to take my phone out does feel inconvenient now when I get a message to go try to read it and see what it is.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco But that feature of the Apple Watch is also very frustrating because for me it works most

⏹️ ▶️ Marco of the time but not all of the time. Every so often at seemingly random intervals,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I will just stop receiving notifications on my Apple Watch but my phone thinks it’s

⏹️ ▶️ Marco sent into the watch So then just they get dropped on the floor and I just don’t receive messages until next time I

⏹️ ▶️ Marco check my phone. Which I’m not in the habit of doing anymore because I have the Apple Watch. I can look at all

⏹️ ▶️ Marco the Apple Watch’s core benefits and they all work like 75% well

⏹️ ▶️ Marco like that and it’s frustrating and yes it is it is still its first year and so

⏹️ ▶️ Marco yes many of these things are like 1.0 bugs even though technically it’s on software version 2.0 but that doesn’t seem to

⏹️ ▶️ Marco mean what you would expect from a 2.0. I just think that

⏹️ ▶️ Marco this product has so much promise but it just needs to be better

⏹️ ▶️ Marco and it needs to be better in ways that typically don’t happen quickly. You know like if a product is launched

⏹️ ▶️ Marco and it’s like almost really great that’s that almost is really hard

⏹️ ▶️ Marco to resolve and to remove into just being really great and I hope

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Apple can do that with the watch because it really is a very compelling product

⏹️ ▶️ Marco in a number of ways most of the time and it’s just so frustrating that it isn’t all the time.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I am so happy having this thing on my wrist now these past few days that

⏹️ ▶️ Marco just it doesn’t do nearly as much as the Apple Watch by a long shot but

⏹️ ▶️ Marco it does it every single time. Every time I look at my wrist the time is displayed.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Every single time. And that’s what you want out of something like that you want it to be that reliable

⏹️ ▶️ Marco the Apple watch isn’t and I hope it can be and I hope it is

⏹️ ▶️ John I think there’s some good hope for the upgrade cycle because if any device had fashion going for

⏹️ ▶️ John it it’s got both it’s got a tech thing where this is the big fat version and surely they’re gonna get thinner right

⏹️ ▶️ John so that will help because it’ll make it feel less like a giant extreme trailer on your wrist and it’s got the

⏹️ ▶️ John fashion thing even if they had made it like as thin as they wanted to make it and they were actually making

⏹️ ▶️ John it bigger again for fashion reasons. The way you get someone to buy a new watch next year

⏹️ ▶️ John is, you know, convince them this really is a fashion accessory and then make it look different because people are

⏹️ ▶️ John into fashion and fashion things want things to look different. They don’t want to wear the same thing year after year. So

⏹️ ▶️ John at the very least, it will have a motivator to shorten the upgrade

⏹️ ▶️ John cycle that the iPad doesn’t have because no one is upgrading their iPad because their old one is not fashionable anymore.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Yeah, I think that’s true. I recently, I don’t know, maybe it was a week or two ago, wrote an Apple

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Watch revisited post on my site. And I agree with you, Marco,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey that I have very mixed feelings about the Apple Watch. And in fact, on the Upgradees,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey on Relay, this is with Jason Snell and Mike Hurley, they do their year-end kind of recap

⏹️ ▶️ Casey and, you know, a funny award show. And they had solicited feedback from

⏹️ ▶️ Casey any of the Relay hosts that felt like they wanted to participate. And I forget exactly what the categories

⏹️ ▶️ Casey were, but I had listed the Apple Watch both for the most disappointing device,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey as well as the one that has changed my life the most. Because I really do feel both of those things

⏹️ ▶️ Casey are true. That I had such high expectations for the watch, which I don’t think

⏹️ ▶️ Casey they’ve really, it’s really But at the

⏹️ ▶️ Casey same time, to quote myself from my

⏹️ ▶️ Casey site, it’s made my phone

⏹️ ▶️ Casey transition from being a personal device to a private device.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey And that’s a really big change.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey My phone is only for me and I’m not taking it out constantly unless I choose

⏹️ ▶️ Casey to. It stays in my pocket all the time unless I’m choosing to get

⏹️ ▶️ Casey it out. That’s very different than it used to be when it was buzzing constantly and I would take my phone out

⏹️ ▶️ Casey in order to see what was going on and triage it and whatnot. I agree with you, Marco,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey that having notifications on your wrist, as long as they work, which 99% of the time it does for me, although occasionally

⏹️ ▶️ Casey my watch just kind of forgets that it’s connected to the phone, as long as they work, it’s phenomenal. And it’s really

⏹️ ▶️ Casey changed the way I interact with my phone. And so I agree with you, I’d like to see Apple

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Watch colon get better, but it is an extremely impressive device and I

⏹️ ▶️ Casey think I would really miss it if I stopped wearing it.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah, I’m also, you know, on the UI side of the Apple Watch, I think that’s another

⏹️ ▶️ Marco product where the UI needs a lot of help in certain areas. Like just, I mean,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco honestly, I don’t think, I think this falls off the end of plausibility, but I would love

⏹️ ▶️ Marco to see a complete rethinking of the entire app launching paradigm on the watch.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Make it more of a clock face plus glances only kind of thing,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco and get rid of the entire honeycomb screen and the idea of launching apps that way. Get rid

⏹️ ▶️ Marco of that entire paradigm. I want to see major rethinking

⏹️ ▶️ Marco of the watch UI. I also just like it is a smart watch. It is a computer.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Be smarter. Like the the clock faces themselves, the watch faces themselves,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco are in many ways still somewhat dumb. And I you know I’ve mentioned this before so I won’t

⏹️ ▶️ Marco go too far into it but just like get just get smarter with what can be shown in the face, what

⏹️ ▶️ Marco you have to choose between, the relevance of certain information,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco certain kind of like you know some kind of heuristic of like you know do I

⏹️ ▶️ Marco have to have the timer always showing on the face in order to have it show when it’s counting

⏹️ ▶️ Marco down when I have one running like stuff like that just like make the watch faces

⏹️ ▶️ Marco smarter why does the minute hand of the utility

⏹️ ▶️ Marco face ever cover up the date so you can’t see what date it is like simple

⏹️ ▶️ Marco things like that

⏹️ ▶️ John It’s skeuomorphism, that’s why.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Right, like, it’s a computer. You can do smarter things. When you compare it to

⏹️ ▶️ Marco mechanical watches, now that I’ve seen this world a little bit, when you compare it to mechanical watches, the Apple

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Watch face isn’t that much smarter. It has many of the same downsides as mechanical

⏹️ ▶️ Marco watches do. It’s a computer, it has the ability to show anything, to be smarter, to

⏹️ ▶️ Marco be considerate, and to be really intelligent and flexible

⏹️ ▶️ Marco in a way that the current Apple Watch face environment doesn’t take advantage of it and doesn’t really

⏹️ ▶️ Marco expose or allow. And I really hope to see more of that. And, you know, but

⏹️ ▶️ Marco again, I think this pushes the bounds of plausibility because a lot of that would require

⏹️ ▶️ Marco gutting and redoing and redesigning and rethinking much of the Apple Watch’s existing UI.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Honestly, I don’t see Apple doing that. Instead, we have these rumors that the version two hardware will just be

⏹️ ▶️ Marco like a FaceTime camera added And that sounds insane to me. Like I hope that

⏹️ ▶️ Marco my, what I have listed on here is like second gen hardware. Please let it be substantially

⏹️ ▶️ Marco faster because the speed of the watch really impedes the kinds of usefulness

⏹️ ▶️ Marco that you can do with its apps. It would be nice if it was a little bit thinner. It probably won’t happen. And then I have here

⏹️ ▶️ Marco FaceTime camera, question mark. I hope I’m missing something. Because I really

⏹️ ▶️ Marco like, I hope there’s a good use for that camera that I’m not thinking of because

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I can think of one really bad use, which would be FaceTime. So

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I really

⏹️ ▶️ John hope that’s not it. Somebody for Apple to sell nose hair trimmers in its stores. Oh my God.

⏹️ ▶️ John Because as soon as people start using that FaceTime camera, there’s gonna be a run on nose hair trimmers.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey You know, they could sell them right next to the hedge trimmers they need to trim. God damn it, I totally. The

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, John foliage wall, we got it, we finished it for

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco you.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco God bless America. Don’t worry, Casey, you almost get credit for that joke.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Yeah, we’re just gonna have to cut all that out. Ah, goodness. All

⏹️ ▶️ Casey right. So does that make it it’s my turn again?

Wishes for Swift package management

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Ah, to keep with the super nerdy topics, there is a Swift package

⏹️ ▶️ Casey manager for OS X. I’d like to see that on iOS, which I’m sure it’s coming.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey And I’d like to see that get adopted. So the previously mentioned Carthage versus CocoaPods

⏹️ ▶️ Casey war just goes away.

⏹️ ▶️ John All right, be careful what you wish for there because, you know, like, for all the faults

⏹️ ▶️ John you may find with the existing package managers, they’re still more mature than this brand spanking new swift

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco one

⏹️ ▶️ John so

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco i don’t

⏹️ ▶️ John know i i think what you’re asking for is like unification even if unifying around something that is less mature

⏹️ ▶️ John at this point and yeah i think that would be good i don’t know if that’s plausible for

⏹️ ▶️ John next year because yeah that’s that’s that’s like a forward looking thing where like i would like to see this mess sorted out

⏹️ ▶️ John so that i don’t have to deal with these differences and there’s just one way that everyone agrees on

⏹️ ▶️ John of doing this thing like you you know, Gem and Ruby or SeedBand and Pearl or whatever.

⏹️ ▶️ John And having one thing is better than that one thing being particularly debugged or worked

⏹️ ▶️ John out or whatever. But I think we’re in for a couple years of more pain in that.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Oh, I think you’re right. But I think if Apple made something really robust and really solid,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey I think it could kind of solve the problem once and for all.

⏹️ ▶️ John For, yeah, for Mac and iOS, probably. But like, then what are the, your previous

⏹️ ▶️ John thing about the server side of people? Maybe they come up with their own system, I don’t know.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Yeah, that’s all I had for, well, for this one anyway. So John?

Wishes for Apple Pencil

⏹️ ▶️ John All right, the next item is another, see how simple and

⏹️ ▶️ John concise mine are? New Mac Pro, new file system, new 5K display, another concise one.

⏹️ ▶️ John Apple Pencil for iPad non-Pro. That’s it. The regular, what we used to call

⏹️ ▶️ John full-sized iPads,

⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey I

⏹️ ▶️ John want one of those with pencil support. It is totally plausible and it would be awesome and I would probably buy one.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah, and that honestly, that’s pretty plausible. I’m pretty sure, I wouldn’t expect to

⏹️ ▶️ Marco see it in the mini, but I would expect to see it at least in the airline.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco The next air probably this fall or whatever. I hope they do that.

⏹️ ▶️ John I mean, that’s probably the main reason I’m not buying a new iPad now, because my iPad

⏹️ ▶️ John 3, it’s really chugging these days. It’s slowing down. I don’t know if it’s iOS 9 that’s making it slow down or

⏹️ ▶️ John just I’m getting used to my iPhone 6 too much. I just can’t. I’m doing much more on my phone using it as a

⏹️ ▶️ John really, really small iPad, because I just can’t stand

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco going over

⏹️ ▶️ John to my slow iPad. So I would have bought a new iPad this year, except I couldn’t get out of my head that I don’t want to buy one this year

⏹️ ▶️ John and the next year to have one with a pencil, because that would be cool. So yeah, I would like to see that

⏹️ ▶️ John next year.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco All right, Marko.

Wishes for iPad apps

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I would like to see general maturing of the iPad Pro, now that we’re

⏹️ ▶️ Marco on this topic. The iPad Pro, obviously, is very new. It’s like a month old or

⏹️ ▶️ Marco something now, so it’s very new. The hardware seems

⏹️ ▶️ Marco really great. The software seems like it still needs a lot of time to bake. And that’s

⏹️ ▶️ Marco both first-party and third-party software. My worry is that this fall,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco before the iPad Pro is even out, we saw, as you mentioned earlier, Casey, we saw the launch of multitasking on

⏹️ ▶️ Marco the iPad and there are still so many incredibly useful iPad

⏹️ ▶️ Marco apps that have not been updated for multitasking. And this is not just, you know,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco some fluke. This is because it is not really worth developers putting a lot of effort

⏹️ ▶️ Marco into most iPad apps and that is a big problem for the iPad. So I really

⏹️ ▶️ Marco hope that in 2016 we see enough worthwhile while gains

⏹️ ▶️ Marco on the iPad market-wise to be worth developers updating their software because

⏹️ ▶️ Marco as any iPad Pro owner can tell you, it is really great when you’re using apps that resize properly

⏹️ ▶️ Marco to the iPad Pro and support multitasking properly and it’s really rough when you’re not. And,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco you know, that’s, it’s bad enough on the, on the, you know, 1024 by 768 iPad, the Air and the Mini. It’s

⏹️ ▶️ Marco bad enough on those when you have something that doesn’t support multitasking. it’s way worse

⏹️ ▶️ Marco on an iPad Pro when you have something that brings up that tremendous old keyboard from

⏹️ ▶️ Marco because the app is being scaled up it’s really rough that will hold the iPad Pro

⏹️ ▶️ Marco back until it is resolved right now it doesn’t appear as though that’s going

⏹️ ▶️ Marco to be resolved easily you know because like developers of many iPad apps

⏹️ ▶️ Marco are really not rushing to update them for these new capabilities because

⏹️ ▶️ Marco it has been historically it has been so hard to justify putting more effort into iPad

⏹️ ▶️ Marco programming because the market has not rewarded it in a commensurate way for most

⏹️ ▶️ Marco app types. I really hope to see that change and to see a lot more iPad

⏹️ ▶️ Marco software get updated for modern devices because if that doesn’t happen a year from now we’re gonna

⏹️ ▶️ Marco hear a lot of really disappointed iPad owners talking about it.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey I mean I don’t have an iPad Pro so I have nothing to contribute to this but it makes sense to

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, Marco me.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco But you just said you know you do have an iPad now with multitasking support and it does suck when you want to

⏹️ ▶️ Marco multitask with an app that doesn’t support it. So this is all tied in.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Yeah, yeah. Joe, you’re absolutely right about that.

⏹️ ▶️ John Can we just lump in the lack of an Instagram iPad app in there just for the hell of it? Because

⏹️ ▶️ John things that will annoy every iPad aren’t. Yeah, it has always amazed me the iOS

⏹️ ▶️ John applications that don’t think it’s important to pick your thing, to be updated for the

⏹️ ▶️ John iPhone 6 size, to do anything sensible on the iPad, to have an iPad app at

⏹️ ▶️ John all. It’s It’s tough when you’re not number one, even just, you know, the number two iOS

⏹️ ▶️ John device platform is just, that’s a big drop off after the iPhone.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah. and

Wishes for iPhone 7

⏹️ ▶️ Marco And then while I’m on the quick iOS topic or iOS device topic here,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco the iPhone 7, I have a quick little bullet list, bullet point here of, you know, iPhone 7 is coming out this year. It’s

⏹️ ▶️ Marco going to be, you know, if they follow the pattern, which they will almost certainly follow, it’s going to be a redesign

⏹️ ▶️ Marco year for the external casing of the iPhone this year. I’m not going to wish for more battery

⏹️ ▶️ Marco life because that’s not plausible.

⏹️ ▶️ John It is plausible. You could totally, yes it is. It is 100% plausible. You could say you want

⏹️ ▶️ John more battery life in terms of the number of minutes, or like wall clock time, or you could just say, I want

⏹️ ▶️ John more milliamp hours.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco You know what? I would actually, I would like more milliamp hours, and I know they won’t do that, because that would make it heavier

⏹️ ▶️ Marco and thicker. They just won’t. The way Apple gets battery life these days is a combination of

⏹️ ▶️ Marco power-saving parts as technology advances, and software improvements to kind

⏹️ ▶️ Marco of reduce the idle draw, and to get more into idle time. The

⏹️ ▶️ Marco problem I have with the modern battery life is, which I’ve talked about to death, so I’m gonna go over it very quickly now,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco is that we have not seen significant advancement in the battery life

⏹️ ▶️ Marco of things that are under load, things that are, like, processors that are being used. If you’re playing

⏹️ ▶️ Marco a game, or you’re using GPS, or you’re streaming music over the cell network through Bluetooth or something,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco where things are not going into low power states, or if you’re on a laptop, you’re processing photos, you’re

⏹️ ▶️ Marco compiling, you’re doing hard work, You’re making the computer work hard. We are

⏹️ ▶️ Marco not seeing big changes in the battery life under load. We’re seeing almost

⏹️ ▶️ Marco all the gains you’ve had in the last few years have been by stretching out idle time, by making

⏹️ ▶️ Marco it, by making idle time more efficient, and by making the CPUs enter idle time more often. So I wanna

⏹️ ▶️ Marco see that top end be raised also. And I just think that’s not going to happen. I think it’s very

⏹️ ▶️ Marco obvious that Apple is content to mostly not address that, and to instead address

⏹️ ▶️ Marco the bottom end because the bottom end can be addressed without bigger, thicker batteries. So

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I don’t think it’s going to happen. But I would like my plausible thing, my plausible wishlist item

⏹️ ▶️ Marco on the iPhone 7 is to somehow address the handholdability

⏹️ ▶️ Marco and make it more handholdable without a case. Because the iPhone 6 is

⏹️ ▶️ Marco the first one I’ve used with a case. Before that, every previous iPhone I’ve used without a case because I just

⏹️ ▶️ Marco like it. I don’t like having to use a case. I like having an iPhone that just feels good enough and secure enough in my hand

⏹️ ▶️ Marco that I don’t feel the need for a case. The 6 did not do that at all. It was way too slippery

⏹️ ▶️ Marco in both shape and finish. The 6s improved it a little bit in that it is still slippery in shape, but

⏹️ ▶️ Marco the finish was less slippery, the surface itself. I would like to see the 7 design hopefully

⏹️ ▶️ Marco address the ability to handhold it in a way that feels secure and that is secure.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Because all the previous ones, I thought were way more handholdable. The 6

⏹️ ▶️ Marco design I think is pretty rough in that way. I’m hoping the 7 will be better. Just

⏹️ ▶️ Marco the handholdability. The rest I know is mostly not plausible. But that I

⏹️ ▶️ Marco want.

⏹️ ▶️ John I think you’re not following my definition of plausible as in able to be done in the physical world without any

⏹️ ▶️ John magic, without saying, I want there to be 5 gigahertz CPUs. But anyway, for your grippability,

⏹️ ▶️ John you just need a foliage wall. They just need to put moss on the outside of it. They’re testing

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco that right now,

⏹️ ▶️ John the iPhone foliage wall. It’s like a chia pet. You

⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey water it.

⏹️ ▶️ John They’re going to use fuel cell technology to give Marco his increased battery life that he is afraid to ask for.

⏹️ ▶️ John And then it’ll be like a chia pet because you’ll fill it up with liquid and that’ll run the fuel cell and the water vapor that comes

⏹️ ▶️ John out will help the little hydroponic moss grow and it’ll be really grippy.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco That would be awesome. And it’ll be green. Yeah, literally.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey All right. My next one, hand on heart, as written in my field notes earlier today,

⏹️ ▶️ Casey is increased battery life for the new iPhone.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey, John See,

⏹️ ▶️ John he has the guts to say it. It’s plausible. You just put more battery in there. You just make

⏹️ ▶️ John it thicker. It’s straight forward, totally doable, could be done,

⏹️ ▶️ John you could say, and it would make you happy if it was done. And so there you go.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Yeah. And I mean, maybe the answer is just don’t make the next iPhone thinner, because

⏹️ ▶️ Casey to my memory, every single iPhone redesign has been just that little bit thinner than the

⏹️ ▶️ Casey last. Maybe, you know what, Apple, you go really crazy and you just don’t

⏹️ ▶️ Casey make it thinner this year and just add battery.

⏹️ ▶️ John They should make it thinner, but then have a lump on the back where the extra battery is.

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco Because then

⏹️ ▶️ John they could say, look how much thinner it is. We made it so they could make make it really thin and they just put it all in the lump.

⏹️ ▶️ John Like, oh, don’t count the lump. We’re not counting that in the thickness.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco No, I mean, like what this comes down to is that the thinness is not the main

⏹️ ▶️ Marco problem here. The main problem here is weight. Thinness is the consequence of that.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Like, they’re not minimizing battery size to make it thinner. They want to make

⏹️ ▶️ Marco it thinner overall and they’re trying to hit a weight goal. And then

⏹️ ▶️ Marco the size of the battery, batteries are like the heaviest thing in there, So the size of the battery is what lets them,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco if they can keep the battery small, that keeps the weight down, and then they can make the enclosure

⏹️ ▶️ Marco really small and thin around it. So this is really about weight, more

⏹️ ▶️ Marco than thinness by itself. I think thinness is a secondary consequence of

⏹️ ▶️ Marco reducing weight. So what we are really asking for, if we want bigger batteries,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco what we’re asking for is to make the phones heavier. And that’s why I’m not sure they would do it.

⏹️ ▶️ John Didn’t the iPhone 6 get heavier than the 5S? I

⏹️ ▶️ Casey believe it did. I thought that was the 6S versus 6 because of

⏹️ ▶️ Casey the 3D Touch stuff.

⏹️ ▶️ John Yeah, but I just mean like when the phone got bigger than the four-inch screen, you know.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Well, but that’s explainable even to a regular consumer because, oh look, it’s bigger, thus there’s more

⏹️ ▶️ Casey stuff.

⏹️ ▶️ John I know, but it’s just like, it’s not unprecedented to go heavier. Anyway,

⏹️ ▶️ John the amount of extra weight added by the batteries is minimal, but yeah, it’s reversing a trend. they’re

⏹️ ▶️ John making it thinner because they want it to be lighter, they want it to be lighter, you know, that’s the direction they’re going. But I still think

⏹️ ▶️ John for a list of plausible things that that that could go

⏹️ ▶️ Casey on the list. All right, that was my last one. So I’m tapped out

⏹️ ▶️ John from here.

Wishes for OLEDs

⏹️ ▶️ John I got two related ones one since we’re talking about iPhone things

⏹️ ▶️ John I don’t even know if this is something that I really care about that much. I guess it gets more into prediction I guess I kind of do care

⏹️ ▶️ John about it. Um, OLED screens and phones as rumors about that And

⏹️ ▶️ John for for power efficiency reasons and maybe because it will encourage more user interfaces that aren’t all

⏹️ ▶️ John white And maybe because they can make it thinner and lighter I don’t know all the

⏹️ ▶️ John the advantages of OLED but I feel like LCD on phones as

⏹️ ▶️ John a power draw source and Just as you know that technology especially as they incorporate more

⏹️ ▶️ John and more things in there like maybe they’ll if they ever let you use The pencil with the phone or something I would like

⏹️ ▶️ John to see Apple take the next leap With their iOS devices and start transitioning to OLED

⏹️ ▶️ John Everywhere because that seems to be the way things are going And my related item

⏹️ ▶️ John actually getting off of Apple stuff for a change is I want to see more non curved OLED

⏹️ ▶️ John televisions they concentrate on picture quality. This year has been the year that OLED TVs

⏹️ ▶️ John become a thing that you can buy for a reasonable price. They’re the new picture quality

⏹️ ▶️ John king. A whole bunch of them are curved but it’s really early to be buying

⏹️ ▶️ John like this is not the year to buy an OLED TV unless you just want to buy it like I said people ask for advice. Buy

⏹️ ▶️ John it with the idea that you’re gonna sell it because it’s like the people who bought the plasmas like the first or second year they were out.

⏹️ ▶️ John That’s fine you get to enjoy a fancy new TV but assume you’re gonna sell it in a year or two because

⏹️ ▶️ John in a year or two or three the ones that come out are gonna be so much better than yours for so much less money that you just

⏹️ ▶️ John you’re gonna have to you know be resigned to to sell it and trade up to a nicer

⏹️ ▶️ John model but uh i feel like next year is the year when oleds hopefully they get

⏹️ ▶️ John rid of this stupid curve thing because i don’t know who’s buying these things with curves who wants them with with curves,

⏹️ ▶️ John I don’t, there’s no advantage to it, it’s dumb, it needs to just go away.

⏹️ ▶️ John Yeah, flat OLED TVs that concentrate on picture quality. Because a

⏹️ ▶️ John lot of the OLEDs now, or OLED TVs in general, usually don’t concentrate on picture quality. They concentrate on smart TV type

⏹️ ▶️ John features or some other gee whiz thing, or they just want to say this is the cheapest

⏹️ ▶️ John 4K TV you can get at this particular size. I want the ones that actually concentrate on picture quality.

⏹️ ▶️ John Not that I would particularly buy one, but I just, you know, I hate

⏹️ ▶️ John looking year after year at the TVs that are available and realizing I don’t want any of these TVs and just praying

⏹️ ▶️ John that my poor partially burned in plasma just keeps working

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco until

⏹️ ▶️ John I can, until someone makes a TV that I can replace it with.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Ultimately, you can just wish that that burn in spot eventually wears out during 2016.

⏹️ ▶️ John Well, I mean, I’m still doing pretty well. I looked at the Cartoon Network logo the other day and it has faded substantially. The

⏹️ ▶️ John Destiny HUD is still kind of faintly visible. But yeah, the television logos, the channel

⏹️ ▶️ John logos are honestly worse than Destiny now. There’s not much you can do about the channel logos except for

⏹️ ▶️ John tell these television stations because guess what, OLED burns in two. So please, television stations,

⏹️ ▶️ John make your logos transparent. Or maybe don’t show them on the screen the entire show. I get it, I understand what network

⏹️ ▶️ John I’m watching. Put it on like for three seconds and then you come out of commercial break or not at all. That

⏹️ ▶️ John should be a feature. Like it should be like the luxury TV network. We’d never put our stupid logo on your screen.

⏹️ ▶️ John That would be a luxury. Pass extra money and we never show an ad. That is a luxury. That’s why people like HBO. Hey,

⏹️ ▶️ John let’s watch an HBO show. It just plays and there’s no commercials in it. And there’s no breaks for commercials. It just plays

⏹️ ▶️ John straight through. That is a desirable experience. Who doesn’t like that?

⏹️ ▶️ John Of course, you’d also like to get your television for free. So I understand advertising doesn’t have to work. But for

⏹️ ▶️ John stations that, you know, I think it’s a quality of life issue. For stations that

⏹️ ▶️ John have ads on them that just run plain old regular TV, They could advertise the fact that we never cover the

⏹️ ▶️ John screen with like a promo for an upcoming show. I guess they have to put the rating thing in there, you know, the TV,

⏹️ ▶️ John LSVM, you know, whatever. I guess I watch shows with too many letters in them.

⏹️ ▶️ John Yeah, they’re all HBO shows. But you know, they have to put the little, the little logo up on the screen.

⏹️ ▶️ John I don’t know if you guys know this because I

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco don’t know if they’re on

⏹️ ▶️ John iTunes. Anyway, they put that in the four by three, you know, the frame, the four by

⏹️ ▶️ John three frame. Like they don’t put it in the corner of the 16 by nine screen. They put it so it would be visible

⏹️ ▶️ John if you were watching 16 by nine content with the sides cut off so it’s four by three.

⏹️ ▶️ John I think I was going through my old pictures on my phone the other day and I had a good picture of when I was watching Sons of Anarchy

⏹️ ▶️ John back when it was on and back when it was actually kind of not terrible. Where the logo,

⏹️ ▶️ John the TVMA, LSV, whatever logo, was dead center

⏹️ ▶️ John over an actor’s face.

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco Like their head was a gigantic

⏹️ ▶️ John square. It’s like, seriously, like you can’t even, and it’s not like you can

⏹️ ▶️ John move that out of the way. It’s not like when you rewatch that later, that will be gone. That’s it. That’s, you’re missing, you know, part

⏹️ ▶️ John of the show because of that. And the same thing when the promos for the upcoming shows come up. Anyway,

⏹️ ▶️ John yeah, I guess that’s another bullet item. Television stations. It is within your power, both technically and policy

⏹️ ▶️ John wise, to stop doing that. Stop, please stop doing that. I’ll pay you extra money

⏹️ ▶️ John to not put your logo on the screen and to not interrupt my program with other things dancing across the bottom of my screen.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey All right,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Marco.

Wishes for focus

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I think my overall wrap-up here for my topic list,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco the lesson I have on here really, is for Apple to just show more focus.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Focus has been, I think, the attribute that I’ve been missing the most in Apple’s recent

⏹️ ▶️ Marco launches, because they are just getting so much more broad. They’re addressing so many more kinds

⏹️ ▶️ Marco of products. The lines are bigger than ever. The services list is bigger than ever.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco it does seem like their focus is not where it used to be. And so I would like to just see more focus.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco And maybe that means ending some product lines or ending some initiatives that haven’t worked out, like

⏹️ ▶️ Marco all the various kits on iOS. I think a lot of those have not quite worked out.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Just like, they’ve started so much, a lot of it has fallen flat. Maybe

⏹️ ▶️ Marco they should end some things and actually increase their focus. So we’ll see what happens there. I’m not really

⏹️ ▶️ Marco holding my breath on that one.

⏹️ ▶️ John You may be saved because the car is not going to come out in 2016, so you can pretend you’re

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco getting more Focus. Then all of a

⏹️ ▶️ John sudden in 2018 or 2019, guess what? We make a car! You’re like, oh, Apple, what happened to the Focus?

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah.

⏹️ ▶️ John And then you’ll buy one of the cars, too.

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco That’ll be fun.

⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey Probably. That’ll

⏹️ ▶️ Casey be super fun.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco But do I want that? Do I want a 1.0 Apple car?

⏹️ ▶️ John Whether you want one or not doesn’t… it may appear in your… The Tesla lease will be up by then, you’ll be looking around,

⏹️ ▶️ John you’ll be restless.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Yeah, we’ll see. It’s gonna

⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey happen. We’re

⏹️ ▶️ John already replacing your Tesla.

⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey Hasn’t even arrived

⏹️ ▶️ John yet.

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Oh, goodness. All right. I told you I’m done. So, John, anything else or any closing thoughts?

Wishes for bugfixes

⏹️ ▶️ John No, the only other item I had on my list was like a vague one that I couldn’t nail

⏹️ ▶️ John down was you know, there are so many remaining bugs, so many sort of

⏹️ ▶️ John obvious bugs that not obvious on how to fix them, but obvious that something is not working

⏹️ ▶️ John correctly. And you always just hope that it’s someone’s job somewhere

⏹️ ▶️ John to fix those. And it’s kind of, I don’t know if this one counts as this is vague and

⏹️ ▶️ John probably not really plausible because I don’t know if Apple makes I don’t know how much extra

⏹️ ▶️ John value Apple adds by fixing these type of bugs, but we all encounter them from time to time.

⏹️ ▶️ John And it just it just makes me wish like the only time I can feel like this wish is not

⏹️ ▶️ John fantastical or wishing for a pony is when like I know the developer who makes

⏹️ ▶️ John the application. It’s like one person who makes an application. And I know

⏹️ ▶️ John that if I report this bug, this one person will see that bug report

⏹️ ▶️ John and realize that they are embarrassed that this bug happens and they don’t want their application

⏹️ ▶️ John to have this bug and that they’ll fix it. And then within a month or two, it will

⏹️ ▶️ John be fixed. But that just doesn’t happen with things that are made by Apple. If you

⏹️ ▶️ John find some small bug like that, that’s just kind of embarrassing where like text overruns the bounding

⏹️ ▶️ John box that it’s supposed to be in or clicking on this thing doesn’t work until the second time you click it because of some

⏹️ ▶️ John event, you know, responder chain business or whatever. An individual developer who you

⏹️ ▶️ John know, will want to fix that because it doesn’t seem like a big deal. And they’re embarrassed that they have

⏹️ ▶️ John an application that you have to click a checkbox twice to make it you know what I mean? Like, it’s not a crasher,

⏹️ ▶️ John it’s not a data loss bug, but they’ll fix it. Kind of just individual pride

⏹️ ▶️ John and craftsmanship or whatever. And it depresses me that the larger the organization gets,

⏹️ ▶️ John the less hope you have that those type of bugs will ever get addressed unless you just happen to catch somebody on

⏹️ ▶️ John a good day when they don’t have anything else to do, you know, when they’re not working on their P ones or whatever,

⏹️ ▶️ John they just happen to go in and fix that because fixing that could cause some other problem that could cascade into a thing that costs their

⏹️ ▶️ John multi billion dollar company lots of money and reduces their customer sat. But an individual

⏹️ ▶️ John developer, they’ll just fix it in their app. And I kind of like that. I kind of missed that from from Apple

⏹️ ▶️ John But that’s that’s getting into that’s that’s why it’s not on my list is too vague or whatever anyway to sum up my

⏹️ ▶️ John list I have a bunch of simple concrete things that could totally happen That would make

⏹️ ▶️ John me happy And by the way, I think most of them if I had to predict will these things happen

⏹️ ▶️ John It’s a pretty good shot for a lot of them. So I think 2016 will be a good year for me

⏹️ ▶️ Casey Hold now to hope for the file system.

⏹️ ▶️ John Well, maybe maybe not in that front.

⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey I keep saying 2017 not that good it yeah oh

⏹️ ▶️ Casey goodness all right are we good are we good

⏹️ ▶️ Marco thanks a lot to our three sponsors this week backblaze Casper and blue apron and we’ll see you you next week!

Ending theme

⏹️ ▶️ John Now

⏹️ ▶️ Casey the show is over, they didn’t even mean to begin, Cause it was

⏹️ ▶️ Casey accidental, oh it was accidental. John

⏹️ ▶️ Casey didn’t do any research, Marco and Casey wouldn’t let him, Cause it was

⏹️ ▶️ Casey accidental, oh it was accidental.

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⏹️ ▶️ John S-I-R-A-C-U-S-A-C-R-A-Q-U-S-A It’s

⏹️ ▶️ John accidental, they didn’t mean to

⏹️ ▶️ John Accidental, check the broadcast, so

⏹️ ▶️ John long.

Post-show: Wishes for a 17-inch

⏹️ ▶️ John We did it

⏹️ ▶️ Casey clearly you need to give much more specific instructions for Marco, and I

⏹️ ▶️ John I thought I was so specific I like it was concise and specific instructions,

⏹️ ▶️ John and it just I don’t know maybe I should have given more examples Maybe I should have given more examples of what not to do. I don’t know.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco This is where I get to wish for my My theoretical 17 inch 4k

⏹️ ▶️ Marco MacBook Pro that with sky like might be around 5 pounds

⏹️ ▶️ John Right. 17 inch 4K MacBook Pro.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John Mm-hmm.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Think about it, it makes a lot of

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John sense.

⏹️ ▶️ John I think you’d be better off wishing for a 17 inch iPad Pro with a keyboard

⏹️ ▶️ John that is more firmly attached. And that’ll be as fast

⏹️ ▶️ John as this guy like MacBook Pro in like three or four years.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah. No, I mean, that’s why it’s a long shot stretch. I’m not even sure I would buy one.

⏹️ ▶️ John Yeah, would you use a 17 inch laptop? I don’t know. Well it’s like bigger than you are

⏹️ ▶️ Marco because like like when I’m not carrying my laptop every day I bring it on

⏹️ ▶️ Marco trips when I have to get work done and whenever I do that I am always starving for more

⏹️ ▶️ Marco screen space

⏹️ ▶️ John you just screen share to your iMac at home. Wow

⏹️ ▶️ John it’s all in your mind man.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I

⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John mean like we have not seen space is

⏹️ ▶️ John just like your opinion

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco man. I understood

⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey that. Using

⏹️ ▶️ John a 5K iMac, you’re using a bigger screen, but it’s on a smaller screen, but it’s

⏹️ ▶️ John bigger. There’s so many pixels you won’t notice the difference.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco No, I mean like, you know, we have, everyone’s like always, oh, the 17 inch was this giant heavy aircraft carrier.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco And yes, the last time we saw one it was, but now like the 17 inch,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I think last time we saw it was something like six pounds, right? Something like that. But at the same time,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco the 15 inch was like five or five and a half, while the 17 inch was like six or six and a half.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco So you can see the ratio there. It’s not that much more than the 15 inch. Well now, since

⏹️ ▶️ Marco then, the 15 inch has gotten way smaller and lighter with the retina transition. With the Skylake

⏹️ ▶️ Marco transition, it’s probably going to be even more so. So I’m guessing it would be possible with Skylake

⏹️ ▶️ Marco to make a 17 inch that had reasonable battery life that is roughly five and a half pounds

⏹️ ▶️ Marco and maybe even five pounds depending on you know how how thin they can they can go with the battery without having it be too small.

⏹️ ▶️ Marco So that is different like it puts a different spin on things I mean like

⏹️ ▶️ Marco with this Skylake thing I bet we’re gonna see a lot more people saying you know what

⏹️ ▶️ Marco now that it’s so much thinner and lighter I might go 15 inch next time where I would have gone 13 inch before

⏹️ ▶️ Marco you know I think I think we’ll start seeing people justify going bigger in the same way like,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco look, all the iPad people just discovered, you know what, after all, having a much bigger

⏹️ ▶️ Marco one is more productive. Look at that. Like, the same thing applies with computers, with laptops. Like,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco as they’re gonna get thinner and lighter, we’re gonna see a lot more people say, you know what, I was gonna go Air, but

⏹️ ▶️ Marco now I’ll go 13 inch Pro. I was gonna go 13 inch Pro, now I’m gonna go 15 inch Pro, because I felt

⏹️ ▶️ Marco one in the store and it was so much lighter than I expected. and wow, all this extra screen space is really

⏹️ ▶️ Marco nice. I can get a lot more stuff done. Like, obviously this is not news to people using computers, whereas

⏹️ ▶️ Marco it seems like it’s news to iPad people, but you know, that might happen now with the Mac line, where if they have a bigger

⏹️ ▶️ Marco one, you know what? That actually is pretty nice. So I don’t know, again,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco it’s just a stretch, and I’m not even sure I would buy one, but that would be really cool, I think.

⏹️ ▶️ John It’s an opportunity for them to make up for the sins of the past and actually put a different keyboard on it than the

⏹️ ▶️ John one that’s on the MacBook

⏹️ ▶️ Marco One. Right, well, and that’s the other thing too, like I didn’t mention the keyboards, but I would expect all the

⏹️ ▶️ Marco new Skylake MacBook Pros, if they’re gonna be redesigned at all, which it sounds like they probably will be,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco I would expect them to get not the MacBook One keyboard, but the keyboard that’s in the new standalone

⏹️ ▶️ Marco Apple keyboard. The Magic, is it called the Magic keyboard, or whatever it is, the new standalone keyboard. I’m guessing it gets at that

⏹️ ▶️ Marco one, which is not nearly as bad as the MacBook One keyboard. It’s,

⏹️ ▶️ Marco you know, it is in that style, but it is done, I think, way better.

⏹️ ▶️ John I don’t mean like in a key travel, I mean as in more keys. Specifically the 17-inch, you have so much more room to put keys.

⏹️ ▶️ John So put full-size arrow keys, and put, you know, all the home and end keys, and page up and page down,

⏹️ ▶️ John instead of taking, because remember, this was one of my early, I reviewed like the, one of the non-unibody

⏹️ ▶️ John aluminum PowerBook G4s for Ars Technica, and like, had a series of screenshots showing

⏹️ ▶️ John the same keyboard as on the 12 inch, the 15 inch, and the 17 inch, literally the same

⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco keyboard.

⏹️ ▶️ John And on the 12 inch, it goes edge to edge. And on the 17 inch, it’s this vast sea of aluminum

⏹️ ▶️ John with this tiny little keyboard floating in it. It’s like, you have so much more room. Add more keys, please.

⏹️ ▶️ John I don’t know, I assumed they wouldn’t, which would be sad. Like, it’s just this giant, you know, because

⏹️ ▶️ John as thin as you make it, the aluminum area has to be the same as the size of the screen. Like, you’re not gonna make the bottom

⏹️ ▶️ John smaller the top and so you have you have this huge area with which to put keys and you

⏹️ ▶️ John just decide there’s this tiny little island in the middle the size of the MacBook one is the only area where you’re allowed to have keys.