145: Lasers and Pew-Pew and Space Aliens
24 Nov 20152015 tech we’re most thankful for.
Episode Description:
- Pre-show / Follow-out‡:
- Follow-up:
- iPad Pro and wide-gamut displays
- iMac insomnia
- What 2015 tech are we thankful for?
- John gets hypercritical about Thanksgiving
mDNSResponder(notdiscoveryd)- Functional High Ground
- Marco's follow-up post
- Craig Hockenberry on
discoveryd(strong language)
- Live Photos & 4K Video
- Canon 5D Mark II
- Sony A7R II
- If you get that, you want this lens, and probably this one too.
- Apple Photos
- Podcasting
- Olympus O-MD E-M10
- Big SSDs
- Slack
- Lightning Digital AV Adapter
- Destiny
- Apple Watch
- Post-show bonus items:
‡: Still not Siracusa-approved
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Chapters
- Paper John
- Sponsor: Squarespace
- Follow-up: Wide-gamut iPads
- Follow-up: iMac insomnia
- John explains Thanksgiving
- mDNSResponder
- Live Photos
- 4K video from iPhone 6S
- Photos & iCloud Photo Library
- Sponsor: Automatic
- The growth of podcasting
- Big cameras
- Big SSDs
- Sponsor: Bushel
- Slack
- Casey’s Lightning Digital AV Adapter
- Destiny
- Apple Watch
- Ending theme
- Bonus: Apple Pencil
- Bonus: Tesla
Paper John
⏹️ ▶️ Marco store today. I figured, you know, if I go, yes it’s Thanksgiving week, but if I
⏹️ ▶️ Marco go on Monday at noon, no one else is going to be there yet. It’s way too early and
⏹️ ▶️ Marco it’s the middle of the day.
⏹️ ▶️ John People take off the whole week I think. I didn’t understand where everybody was when I went to work today. It was a little traffic, there
⏹️ ▶️ John wasn’t a lot of people in the parking lot. Yeah, don’t go to any places that sell food
⏹️ ▶️ Marco this week. All of the traffic was in my grocery store’s parking lot. Apparently
⏹️ ▶️ Marco everybody else in the world had the same idea that I did. No one’s going to be there on Monday at noon. Steven
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Connelly I didn’t realize you live in a retirement community.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Oh man, I feel like we need something fun and clever to start the show with. Maybe we can do a little bit of follow-out, John’s
⏹️ ▶️ Casey favorite topic. The internet has given us a gift today. And by the internet, I mean
⏹️ ▶️ Casey David Galetli. I’m so sorry that I probably pronounced that wrong. wrong. But
⏹️ ▶️ Casey David has given us the John Syracuse paper doll kit,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey which this is really a call out to Reconcilable Differences, which Yeah, this is
⏹️ ▶️ John this is a different podcast. You guys confused about what podcast we’re
⏹️ ▶️ Casey doing? No, no, this is what follow out is, John, keep up or take notes.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco John, are you are you acknowledging that follow out has a solid meaning and you are arguing over what it is?
⏹️ ▶️ John I don’t know what follow up means. All I know is this is a topic for a different podcast. We’ll probably talk about it on that other podcast. It’s
⏹️ ▶️ John like when you say like, airing on another network. We can’t even name the other podcast, but it’s
⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco reconcile the differences and you should listen to
⏹️ ▶️ John it. Yeah, all right, go ahead. Fine. If you want to do paper dolls, fine.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey I just I wanted to make I just wanted to call everyone’s attention to this absolutely phenomenal
⏹️ ▶️ Casey tweet from from David with the John Syracuse of paper doll. Your
⏹️ ▶️ Casey nose was a little Rudolph II for my taste. If
⏹️ ▶️ John a that’s a style that’s not it’s not a reflection on my actual nose.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Didn’t even notice the Long Island 1992 shirt. That’s delightful. Yeah, it
⏹️ ▶️ John would be better if he knew what the running shorts look like. I should put a
⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey picture of him, but
⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco he’s got the
⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey Hypercritical shirt in
⏹️ ▶️ John there. I was thinking of printing this out for my kids to play with. Oh my God, they would lose it. Also, I
⏹️ ▶️ John should have the ATP shirt edition, obviously.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Can we get this printed on a sheet of magnet thing so that you could actually move and run like magnets?
⏹️ ▶️ Marco, Casey Is there a company
⏹️ ▶️ Marco that does that? I’m sure there is.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Oh god, that’s amazing.
⏹️ ▶️ John He’s done some other pictures of me as well. I think one where Merlin’s riding on my back.
⏹️ ▶️ John You know that one? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. The layers are in folders. Accessories, torso,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco So you can, oh this is actually, you don’t even need the magnet. You can actually toggle everything right from here as long as you’re willing
⏹️ ▶️ Marco to launch Photoshop.
⏹️ ▶️ John That’s what people have been doing where they compose the different versions of me. That’s so fantastic.
⏹️ ▶️ John We’ll put a link to the, we shouldn’t put a link to the tweet. We’ll put a link to the website where you can see
⏹️ ▶️ John all the other stuff. This really is incredible So you guys we all did a very terrible job explaining why this exists.
⏹️ ▶️ John Oh, yeah, that’s true All right. Well anyway on reconcilable differences, which is a podcast I do with Merlin man
⏹️ ▶️ John We talked about clothing at one point and this was Merlin’s idea that someone should make a paper doll version
⏹️ ▶️ John of me to help dress me because he got into his head that that he wants to do a
⏹️ ▶️ John Not a makeover like that You know those sort of queer I type shows Where there’s someone who doesn’t have any fashion sense
⏹️ ▶️ John and then other people with fashion sense want to fix him That’s what Merlin wants to do to me or wants other people
⏹️ ▶️ John to do to me. So here you go paper dolls Tattoos, wait, what there’s a tattoos layer?
⏹️ ▶️ John Oh, I hope there’s a question mark after it in the layer too because answer is none
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Except that one that nobody talks about. Nope. None Wow, I don’t
⏹️ ▶️ Casey really get tattoos personally. I’ve never ever ever ever desired to have a tattoo on me
⏹️ ▶️ John what that means, that you’re gonna have one in six months.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Yeah, that’s true actually, knowing my history. That’s exactly true.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Oh God, no. Goodness. No, I just, anything I would want, anything I would like enough
⏹️ ▶️ Casey to put on my body, like, A, it would probably be like some sort of consumer BS,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey but B, inevitably I would end up hating it. So, oh God, I just can’t imagine.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco imagine. So I love, so I have configured now the rugby shirt, dad jeans,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Asics shoes, and the John glasses, but the bow tie.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco It’s a fantastic combination here. Bow ties
⏹️ ▶️ John are cool and you would get that reference if you watched more TV. Yeah I got
⏹️ ▶️ John Neither one of you, neither one. What was it? Top four TV shows my butt.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Which speaking of, I think I’ve gotten to the point that I hate listening to Top Four
⏹️ ▶️ Casey because so much of what you guys say, I’ve never listened to a podcast. It makes me
⏹️ ▶️ Casey want to yell at it more.
⏹️ ▶️ John I think it’s working as designed as far as I can tell.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey No, I think you’re right. I absolutely think you’re right. And the thing is, I genuinely do enjoy the show.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey And there are times, I tweeted at both of you earlier today, I genuinely thought that the way you handled
⏹️ ▶️ Casey the pizza discussion was perfect. Because without question, it is so much easier to find good pizza
⏹️ ▶️ Casey in New York, or the surrounding area, than it is anywhere else in the country. Don’t
⏹️ ▶️ John say it, don’t say it, but…
⏹️ ▶️ Casey There’s good pizza to be had in other places.
⏹️ ▶️ John say. Which you said. I haven’t listened to this episode yet, but I
⏹️ ▶️ Casey assume I will hate it. No, no, no. I thought, Marco, you guys both handled it perfectly. I really did.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Oh, this is perfect. That’s why you just faced it.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey, Marco Isn’t it great?
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Oh god, this is magnificent.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco It’s just like the standard john plus a bow tie. Plus a bow tie.
⏹️ ▶️ John I don’t think the bow tie fits with a rugby shirt. I don’t think that’s, that doesn’t fit.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I think you should try this one day. Maybe next year at WBC, something like that.
⏹️ ▶️ John I showed this to my wife and she said, why do you look so angry?
⏹️ ▶️ John I said, I’m probably angry about either being half naked or about other people dressing me. Yeah,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I couldn’t imagine you being incredibly happy about either of those states.
⏹️ ▶️ John Yeah, so I think it’s the appropriate expression.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey But anyway, I was very happy with how you handled that. But the thing of it is, I think part
⏹️ ▶️ Casey of the reason I was so perturbed at top four today is because I don’t like Indian food with the exception of naan, which is delightful.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey But the thing of it is, it very, very well could be that I’ve just made terrible choices whenever I’ve
⏹️ ▶️ Casey gone for Indian food. Like, I don’t even know what I’ve eaten, but I can tell you I’ve not liked any of it. And
⏹️ ▶️ Casey so I was very perturbed that Indian ranked so high in your list. However, I concur
⏹️ ▶️ Casey with pizza. I concur with Panera and delis. I think you were a little harsh on Quiznos
⏹️ ▶️ Casey and Subway, but I can get past that.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco No, I mean, if you’re in a place where the best options you have are Quiznos or Subway, just
⏹️ ▶️ Marco go to the grocery store and buy cold cuts and make
⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John your own sandwich at home. It’s better
⏹️ ▶️ Marco that. Like, honestly, when I did live in those places, that’s what I did because it was better.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Oh, yeah, yeah, no, but for the most part I did agree with most of what you guys said So
⏹️ ▶️ Marco and you can’t forgive the the subway triangle cheese tessellation issue. I
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Guess you are spot-on on that. I completely agree
⏹️ ▶️ John To give context for this. This is top for the podcast that Marco does with Tiff
⏹️ ▶️ John his wife and they supposedly rank the top four
⏹️ ▶️ John Whatever so top four takeout restaurants top four Halloween candies what they actually do on the
⏹️ ▶️ John show is only vaguely related to that And they’re now lately both have having trouble coming
⏹️ ▶️ John up with top for anything and all most of their opinions are terribly wrong Anyway, that’s why you listen to the
⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco show Entertaining and infuriating
⏹️ ▶️ John concluded the advertised other podcast sections of this podcast?
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Yes, you know You should complain about the fact that I have brought up the two podcasts that my co-hosts
⏹️ ▶️ Casey have done and I’ve not brought up any Of my extracurriculars, but yes, you continue to be upset John. Well,
⏹️ ▶️ John that’s that’s just your personality Casey You didn’t even mention robot or not.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Well now we have are
⏹️ ▶️ Casey, John you satisfied? Would you like me to
⏹️ ▶️ Casey bring up the incomparable
⏹️ ▶️ John you were on the incomparable? It’s practically your show now
⏹️ ▶️ Casey One episode only I I understood that reference.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Alright, so now that you’ve ruined follow-out for me, just as you had planned,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey can we do some follow-up and talk about what Ben wrote in and said? I thought you
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Follow-up: Wide-gamut iPads
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⏹️ ▶️ Casey all right so John tell us in this follow-up section what Benji wrote in and said
⏹️ ▶️ John We’re talking about the iPad Pro screen And how it wasn’t quite as good in terms of color
⏹️ ▶️ John accuracy as a Surface Pro 4 and also not as good as actually some Of the earlier iPad screens
⏹️ ▶️ John Apple had made or the smaller ones anyway and I wondered I said it was kind of a shame
⏹️ ▶️ John that it didn’t have the new sort of a wide spectrum or whatever the correct term
⏹️ ▶️ John is it a large gamut? Anyway, display that the iMac
⏹️ ▶️ John does that the the P3 specification which is supposedly bigger than sRGB
⏹️ ▶️ John and Ben wrote in to tell us that one of the reasons the iPad Pro can’t do that is because it requires an RGB backlight so
⏹️ ▶️ John these screens that we call LCDs but sometimes also LEDs the LED just refers to the backlight so you’ve got a
⏹️ ▶️ John bunch of you’ve got this semi-transparent thing in front with little colored sections that you can turn
⏹️ ▶️ John on and off in different amounts and behind it behind most screens you just have a big white light that’s just on
⏹️ ▶️ John all the time over the entire screen for computer screens anyway and apparently the iMac
⏹️ ▶️ John has instead of a big white light behind it an RGB backlight so it’s a backlight that can
⏹️ ▶️ John be different colors instead of just white and I didn’t know that I know televisions do that and televisions
⏹️ ▶️ John do all sorts of weird tricks with the backlight to try to make the image look better but it makes sense
⏹️ ▶️ John that if the iMac has an RGB backlight, perhaps they can’t get that small enough or low power
⏹️ ▶️ John enough to be in a iPad Pro just yet. We have to wait a couple more years, I guess.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Fair enough. I did not know that. I really didn’t have any idea that it was an RGB backlight. That’s very cool.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Thanks for watching.
Follow-up: iMac insomnia
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Tell me about iMac insomnia
⏹️ ▶️ John Yeah, my new my wife’s new 27 inch retina iMac
⏹️ ▶️ John I was saying last week that it seems to have insomnia Put it to sleep and
⏹️ ▶️ John then it will wake up again Or we’ll just walk away for the computer after using it and then come back an hour later And it’s still awake,
⏹️ ▶️ John and I wasn’t quite able to figure out why lots of listeners sent in suggestions
⏹️ ▶️ John one common one was that the IR receiver if it’s in the line of sight of something that sprays
⏹️ ▶️ John IR like a remote control or one of those IR blaster things or whatever it’s conceivable that the
⏹️ ▶️ John IR receiver on the iMac which I guess it has one I don’t even know that it have one I don’t even
⏹️ ▶️ John check if it did have one but the theory is that for our computers that do have an IR receiver if it’s
⏹️ ▶️ John near your television or something like that you could keep it awake just with IR input I don’t know if that
⏹️ ▶️ John theory is correct because I my thing is definitely not in the line of sight of any IR and I don’t
⏹️ ▶️ John even know if my thing has IR receiver? Probably does, but who knows. Anyway, the next guess
⏹️ ▶️ John was Bluetooth. If you go to the Bluetooth preference pane, this is annoying that this is an inside energy saver,
⏹️ ▶️ John but it’s not, you gotta go to the Bluetooth preference pane, then you have to click on advanced. Then there’s a checkbox that says
⏹️ ▶️ John allow Bluetooth devices to wake this computer, and that was checked by default. So I unchecked
⏹️ ▶️ John it, and I think my problems are solved. Because I’ve got that the reason that feature exists is if you have like
⏹️ ▶️ John the new iMac, if you get it with the recommended Apple crappy cripples Bluetooth
⏹️ ▶️ John keyboard and the recommended Bluetooth mouse then you don’t have your mouse or your keyboard
⏹️ ▶️ John connected with a wire to your computer so when your computer goes to sleep if you don’t have the setting checked and you hit the spacebar
⏹️ ▶️ John like to wake up your computer or wiggle the mouse or click the mouse button or something the computer won’t actually wake up.
⏹️ ▶️ John I don’t have that problem because we’ve got a wired keyboard attached to it and actually a USB mouse
⏹️ ▶️ John that’s wireless to the keyboard. Anyway, so I unchecked that thing and so far
⏹️ ▶️ John so good. The computer has not had insomnia. It hasn’t woken up spontaneously and when it goes to sleep, it stays asleep.
⏹️ ▶️ John So I’m pretty well convinced that I’ve solved my problem.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Excellent. I wouldn’t have guessed it was Bluetooth acting up, but I’m glad
⏹️ ▶️ Casey you figured that out. I also don’t understand how you could have wires on your desktop, but teach that
⏹️ ▶️ John around. It’s a keyboard tray, so the wires go underneath.
⏹️ ▶️ John keyboard tray. Yeah, you got to have the keyboard at the right height. the desk at the right height.
⏹️ ▶️ John then the desk feels too low and then you need something to prop the computer up.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah, that’s easier than managing a
⏹️ ▶️ John keyboard tray. I think the main reason my wife likes the keyboard tray is that it gives her more
⏹️ ▶️ John room to put junk on the desk. Because the
⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco keyboard tray is
⏹️ ▶️ John underneath the entire surface of the desk in front of you is free for just having papers and stuff. Sometimes it’s
⏹️ ▶️ John good because you’re referring to them, other times you’re just piling stuff. But it really is convenient. I think I would,
⏹️ ▶️ John even if I didn’t need it for ergonomic positioning, even if I had a desk that went up and down and I can get it the right in fact I
⏹️ ▶️ John had that at work my desk at work has is somewhat adjustable and I tried putting it down to level that it should be for the keyboard
⏹️ ▶️ John and I just like the desk higher and to have the little tray underneath it it’s just what I’m used to.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey All right any other follow-up that was uh another quick round of follow-up I’m very proud of us.
⏹️ ▶️ John Well this is this is a short period of time after after the last episode I’m sure
⏹️ ▶️ John and also it’s it’s slow for the holidays I feel like we need to have like a a laid-back holiday episode.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey I should have poured a drink. I didn’t realize that was the plan.
John explains Thanksgiving
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Oh goodness. All right. So speaking of holidays, John, you came up with an idea for this episode.
⏹️ ▶️ John Yeah, because we’re recording this on a Monday, only a few days after we recorded the last episode because we’re
⏹️ ▶️ John all off for our holidays, our Thanksgiving holiday vacations and travels and so on.
⏹️ ▶️ John I thought, what better way to celebrate Thanksgiving, which is a holiday here in
⏹️ ▶️ John the US, people outside the US can look it up. It’s pretty dumb as far as holidays go. But anyway, it is a
⏹️ ▶️ Casey holiday and we get off work. Whoa, whoa, whoa, slow down. You’re going to have to explain yourself on that
⏹️ ▶️ John one. It’s one of those holidays that really is…
⏹️ ▶️ John doesn’t really make much sense. It’s not really that historically significant. It’s only because the people involved in it
⏹️ ▶️ John were the important enough people to celebrate something. It’s like they’re celebrating… Anyway, you can read the story of Thanksgiving, but bottom
⏹️ ▶️ John line is we, you know, people, Europeans came to the country and slaughtered all the indigenous people and took all their land.
⏹️ ▶️ John And not that we’re supposed to feel guilty for it and stuff, but having a holiday kind of celebrating how nice it was that we all cooperated
⏹️ ▶️ John is like weird. It’s like, yeah, and then we live together happily ever after, right? No,
⏹️ ▶️ John we don’t want to fall there. Anyway, it’s not as bad as Columbus Day, but it’s close.
⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco But we don’t care because
⏹️ ▶️ John it’s just the holiday season and we have turkey and gather around with family and argue about politics or
⏹️ ▶️ John however your Thanksgiving is going to go. I don’t want to make this into a downer. Bottom line is, we get off work. Let’s concentrate on what’s
⏹️ ▶️ John important here. But
⏹️ ▶️ John for Thursday. You have to take a vacation day for Friday.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Or just, you know, be retired like some of us are.
⏹️ ▶️ John Well, even Marco has to visit family on Thanksgiving.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Thanksgiving. Oh, I would I would rather work for the rest of the year full time
⏹️ ▶️ Marco than deal with Thanksgiving family drama. Untrue. You don’t know my family.
⏹️ ▶️ John Well, I don’t know. I think you underestimate what it would be like to work for the rest of the year
⏹️ ▶️ John waking up and getting into an office and commuting through traffic
⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey at nine o’clock
⏹️ ▶️ Casey I’m not going to get in the middle of
⏹️ ▶️ Casey, John this. Anyway, I
⏹️ ▶️ John don’t want to make this into a downer. The whole point is, is Thanksgiving, which, like I said, even though it’s a
⏹️ ▶️ John stupid holiday, it is a holiday. And one of the good things about Thanksgiving is the time of year when,
⏹️ ▶️ John in theory, you are supposed to reflect on what you are thankful for. That is usually
⏹️ ▶️ John the part of the evening before people get drunk and angry and start arguing about politics. Sometimes you go around the table
⏹️ ▶️ John and say what you’re thankful for, or whoever is the most willing and able
⏹️ ▶️ John to induce embarrassment in your extended family usually makes this happen. So I guess I’m filling that role
⏹️ ▶️ John here on the podcast. and decided to ask the assembled
⏹️ ▶️ John group of hosts, what 2015-ish tech things are we most
⏹️ ▶️ John thankful for? They don’t have to be this year. They could be like a three or four year old tech that you just discovered this year. I don’t know,
⏹️ ▶️ John the year framing is loose. But anyway, what kind of things are we thankful for? And I figure we’ll just go around in circles
⏹️ ▶️ John until we’re all exhausted and don’t have anything left to be thankful for. I hope you have more than one thing. Oh,
⏹️ ▶️ John great. I have a whole list.
⏹️ ▶️ John Is it four? was trying not to invoke the ghost of top
⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco making Marco have a most… He’s
⏹️ ▶️ John like, well, I’m not the most thankful for this, but it’s probably around number five. I actually have five.
⏹️ ▶️ John Are they all number five? Or…
⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco No, there’s a very clear number one.
⏹️ ▶️ John All right. All right. Now, Marco seems like he’s ready to go first. So go
⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey ahead. Yeah,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey I did not do my homework on this. I thought about it for like 10 minutes about half an hour ago. Goodness, if Marco’s
⏹️ ▶️ Casey doing more homework than I am, something is seriously broken
⏹️ ▶️ John there. I gave you like three days notice.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey I know. I just kind of forgot. Oh, goodness. All right, go ahead, Marco.
mDNSResponder
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Well, my clear number one, I thought of it immediately when you said this and
⏹️ ▶️ Marco there is no contest, MDNS Responder.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Suction number one. So if anybody doesn’t get the joke, this is the
⏹️ ▶️ Marco old version of DiscoveryD, which is the system
⏹️ ▶️ Marco daemon that’s responsible on Macs and iOS devices for network name lookup,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco finding Bonjour devices, etc. or whatever Bonjour is called. Oh no, that’s the new name. It used
⏹️ ▶️ Marco to be called Rendezvous, right? Anyway, it’s very
⏹️ ▶️ Marco much responsible for Macs and Apple devices finding other servers and devices on
⏹️ ▶️ Marco the network and coordinating things with them. So for things like file sharing, probably involved in things like
⏹️ ▶️ Marco AirDrop, definitely network shares, Apple TV kind of stuff, AirPlay.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco And DiscoveryD was the new version of this, rewrite of this,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco it shipped with Yosemite and with iOS 8. It was so buggy and
⏹️ ▶️ Marco it caused so many problems for so many people. If during the era of Yosemite and
⏹️ ▶️ Marco iOS 8, if you ever had things like other Macs on your network disappear and just
⏹️ ▶️ Marco not be visible in Finder for browsing or for sharing, or if you had things like you’d have the computer
⏹️ ▶️ Marco name with a number after it, like, you know, TIFF’s computer, 7. And it’s like,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco what? And where, you know, or some crazy number like that. So that was the kind of problem
⏹️ ▶️ Marco you’d see with this, but it caused so many other problems that some people just got lucky,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco like the HDMI CEC unicorns, and just never hit it. I hit all of these problems. So
⏹️ ▶️ Marco you’d have problems like, you know, certain like network printers that had Banjo interfaces would
⏹️ ▶️ Marco frequently fail and just never be connectable anymore. Airplay would fail constantly.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Airdrop would fail constantly. so many problems with various network
⏹️ ▶️ Marco and inter-Mac, inter-iOS communication things. And this was honestly, this was a major
⏹️ ▶️ Marco driver behind my well-circulated piece, Apple has lost the functional high ground from last winter,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco because it shipped with Yosemite and iOS 8 in the fall
⏹️ ▶️ Marco of 2014, and it took until, what, summertime?
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Something like that, before they issued an update that reverted it back to the old, they reverted Discovery
⏹️ ▶️ Marco D back to the old one, MDNS Responder, which just fixed all the problems. And so
⏹️ ▶️ Marco it was a good six months, something like that, of using this. And the number of problems
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I encountered for those six months just made me question everything about Apple. Just like, how could they possibly have
⏹️ ▶️ Marco let this go for so long? How could they have shipped this? And it was making all the stuff that makes Apple devices usually
⏹️ ▶️ Marco really pleasant, like so much of it was crumbling or was at least unreliable for me.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco And when they went back to MDNS Responder, a massive amount of these
⏹️ ▶️ Marco problems just disappeared immediately for me. And so now I can do things like
⏹️ ▶️ Marco browse the iTunes share from the Apple TV and watch movies that are on my home
⏹️ ▶️ Marco server on the Apple TV and just stuff like that. I can reliably connect to the Mac Mini that serves this live stream.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I can reliably connect to TIFF’s computer and share files. I can print and it works every time.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco This is stuff that used to work very reliably, didn’t for like six months, and now
⏹️ ▶️ Marco does again. So number one by far for me is the return of MD&S Responder.
⏹️ ▶️ John I like that the number one thing you’re thankful for is really just a sly way to complain about something.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John No, it’s because honestly,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I wrote an update article once I was pretty sure that
⏹️ ▶️ Marco this had fixed everything, and I really want to be clear that, yeah, it was really bad before.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco And also, I’m really happy now because now they have fixed that massive class of problems.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco And Apple stuff has all sorts of other problems still, and I’m sure we will spare no
⏹️ ▶️ Marco moment talking about those. But that really did fix a ton
⏹️ ▶️ Marco of them that I was having. And it says a lot about Apple that they were…
⏹️ ▶️ Marco That was a big mistake to ship that and to stick with it for so long. But it does say a lot about Apple that
⏹️ ▶️ Marco rather than just double down on that and just try to crank through and figure out all the
⏹️ ▶️ Marco problems. They said, No, we’ll just go back. Like, I don’t think they’ve really done that very often. And,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco and I can’t even imagine what had to go on inside the company to, to convince whoever needed to be convinced to
⏹️ ▶️ Marco roll back to just abandon this whole rewrite of this thing and just roll back to their previous version. But
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I’m really glad they did, because it really did fix a massive number of problems that I was having.
⏹️ ▶️ John As I mentioned, when this originally happened, MDNS responder had a terrible reputation
⏹️ ▶️ John in the early years of OS 10 because it was the process that it was always hanging and making
⏹️ ▶️ John stuff not work on your computer. All the kind of like basic functionality of connecting to servers and loading web
⏹️ ▶️ John pages and stuff like that. Oh, you got to kill him. And the NS responder, it’s hung or it’s constantly crashing.
⏹️ ▶️ John And eventually it got to the point where I guess it was stable, but they’re probably motivated to replace it because it was
⏹️ ▶️ John old and crusty and never really work right. And they had rung out most of the bugs, but it was still probably like,
⏹️ ▶️ John not easy to change or add features to for like, you know, hand off wherever the hell I don’t even know if that was uh
⏹️ ▶️ John what their motivation for discovery d was but as I said every time they’ve gone and replaced some part of the system
⏹️ ▶️ John with some newer thing that’s something you have to do periodically you just got to not screw it up like
⏹️ ▶️ John I the the idea behind the effort was good the execution was bad so I really hope that
⏹️ ▶️ John if not discovery d that something else comes back because it’s not like they’re replacing these things for the health
⏹️ ▶️ John there was motivation behind it it’s just they just botched execution
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Yeah, we’ll also put a link in the show notes to a friend of the show, Craig Hockenberry, who talked about this.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey It’s a little bit strong on the language because Craig was a little perturbed, but it’s a really good write-up as to what went
⏹️ ▶️ Casey wrong with Discovery D and why. All right. Shall I go next, John,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey or would you prefer to go
⏹️ ▶️ Casey, John next? No, you’re up,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Casey. All right. All right.
Live Photos
⏹️ ▶️ Casey And because I didn’t have a lot of time to, or didn’t spend a lot of time thinking about this, my selection
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Discovery D rant. Fair enough. You know, the first thing I’m thankful for,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey which I’m really, really excited about, is actually live photos. I really, really,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey really enjoy live photos. You could make an argument that it’s gimmicky, and maybe it is, and maybe
⏹️ ▶️ Casey in a few years I’ll think it’s silly. But sitting here now, I love live photos. Being
⏹️ ▶️ Casey able to have a little bit of context around what’s happening, especially when you have a really young child in
⏹️ ▶️ Casey the house, is really, really awesome. There’s been a couple of live photos
⏹️ ▶️ Casey that I’ve gotten just by pure happenstance that have been really awesome. Once I took
⏹️ ▶️ Casey a picture of Declan when we were out to eat and he decided to make this mammoth
⏹️ ▶️ Casey yawn right as I’d taken the picture so you can see this huge yawn as
⏹️ ▶️ Casey he’s eating at this restaurant. It sounds silly describing it, but it was just the funniest live photo.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey I don’t know that I would have captured that moment had it not been for the fact that what I thought was a picture
⏹️ ▶️ Casey was actually a very, very short movie. So I love live photos.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey The only thing I don’t like about live photos is now it makes me question whether or not I want to use my big, semi-fancy camera
⏹️ ▶️ Casey or my iPhone to take pictures. Generally speaking, I do reach for the big camera, but
⏹️ ▶️ Casey it doesn’t make me feel guilty anymore if I don’t have the big camera handy when I’m trying to capture a shot because
⏹️ ▶️ Casey I love having that context. Do you have burst mode on your big fancy camera? I do. Oh, I never ever
⏹️ ▶️ Casey ever use it though. Blast away and make your own live pictures. Well, and that maybe that’s one way of looking at it,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey but I very rarely shoot in burst mode and the handful of times I’ve done it,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey it has come out pretty well. But you know, then I’d have to post process it, turn it into a movie and blah, blah, blah.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Not to say that this is egregious, but it’s it’s it’s pretty magical. Just whipping out the
⏹️ ▶️ Casey phone that’s in your pocket and snapping a picture and having that little bit of context behind it. I just
⏹️ ▶️ Casey really, really love
4K video from iPhone 6S
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Kind of in that vein, I’d like to, this is not on my list, sorry John. This
⏹️ ▶️ John is par for the course, go
⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco ahead. Yes, that’s
⏹️ ▶️ Marco exactly right. I’d like to add to that just how incredibly good the video is from the iPhone
⏹️ ▶️ Marco 6s and 6s Plus. This year I finally, after seven years, upgraded my main
⏹️ ▶️ Marco good camera from a Canon 5D Mark II to the Sony a7R II. And it’s a fantastic
⏹️ ▶️ Marco camera in every way and I love this thing. I love the pictures I get out of the Sony, it’s incredible.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco It is incredibly expensive too, so it’s not for everybody, but when you buy a camera every seven years,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco it can be justifiable somehow. But anyway, love this camera, and it
⏹️ ▶️ Marco shoots 4K video, and it’s one of the relatively few cameras on the market today that
⏹️ ▶️ Marco shoots 4K video. They’re getting more and more numerous, but they’re still relatively few in number.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco But the iPhone 6S came out, and the 6S also shoots 4K video,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco and having shot now with both of them a reasonable amount, the difference between them is
⏹️ ▶️ Marco not that big. Like here’s this camera that’s being hailed as one of the best
⏹️ ▶️ Marco cameras overall ever made and one of the best cameras that can shoot 4K. And
⏹️ ▶️ Marco the camera that’s in every iPhone of the current generation shoots 4K video
⏹️ ▶️ Marco that to my eyes as a casual observer is almost just as good.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco The quality you can get out of the iPhone in 4K mode, granted it isn’t 60
⏹️ ▶️ Marco frames a second, it’s only 30. I don’t know what shoots 4K at 60 frames a second, but I’ve never seen
⏹️ ▶️ Marco anything that offered that. It seems like 4K everywhere these days is basically limited to 30. But
⏹️ ▶️ Marco if you’re willing to deal with the lower frame rate, it looks incredible just to have that resolution.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco It really does look like a moving photo. It looks like a real life photo. And
⏹️ ▶️ Marco live photos are great. They’re great for when you didn’t intend to take a video. But when you do
⏹️ ▶️ Marco intend to take a video, the quality you can get out of the iPhone camera in 4K mode is
⏹️ ▶️ Marco just ridiculously good. And for people like us who have kids and get all sentimental about
⏹️ ▶️ Marco how cute our kids are, it is just stunning how much this captures
⏹️ ▶️ Marco life in the way it looks in real life. And I’m very, very glad to have this because
⏹️ ▶️ Marco almost every parent at some point says, you know, I really wish I shot more video. I really wish I shot more photos.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco And I’ve been that way for video, certainly. But we shoot plenty of photos, but we don’t shoot enough video.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Yeah, I’m the same way. I reflect and look back on the pictures
⏹️ ▶️ Casey and video I’ve taken in the last year, because Declan’s just over a year old now, and I couldn’t agree
⏹️ ▶️ Casey more that I’ve taken a lot of really great pictures. I’m really proud of the pictures I’ve taken, but I haven’t shot
⏹️ ▶️ Casey near enough video. I think that part of the problem is that it’s not often,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey especially early in life, like super early in life, that I can capture something that’s
⏹️ ▶️ Casey quote unquote remarkable as it’s happening. And I think that that’s the wrong attitude to have and I should
⏹️ ▶️ Casey be better about just capturing everyday life because it’ll be interesting to look at maybe not in a year or five years, but maybe
⏹️ ▶️ Casey in 10 or 20 years. And so I’m trying to train myself to start taking
⏹️ ▶️ Casey video of things that seem really boring. And like you were saying, Marco, I really,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey really like that this camera that’s in my pocket always
⏹️ ▶️ Casey takes 4K video, which is kind of an insurance policy, right?
⏹️ ▶️ Casey There will eventually be video that is crisper than 4K, but sitting here in 2015, 4K is going
⏹️ ▶️ Casey to look pretty good for a while, I think. And so I’m really happy that I’m getting really high-resolution
⏹️ ▶️ Casey video out of the camera I am most likely to have on me always.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah, and it really does not look like an inferior-quality camera.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco When you’re shooting 4K with the iPhone, it does not seem inferior-quality at all. In fact,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco compared to my, quote, real camera, which granted is not a dedicated video camera, that a lot of people use these things for video.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco The things like the audio are actually better. The audio is way better on the iPhone. The auto focus
⏹️ ▶️ Marco is way better on the iPhone. It shouldn’t be, there’s no reason why it should be. Hardware wise, the Sony kicks its butt in so
⏹️ ▶️ Marco many ways. But the iPhone just has like really nice automatic defaults and does really good audio processing
⏹️ ▶️ Marco such that with no effort, you get pretty great video
⏹️ ▶️ Marco out of the iPhone compared to this professional camera. It’s amazing how good it
⏹️ ▶️ Marco is. So yeah, I’m very thankful for how good the success is at shooting video
⏹️ ▶️ Marco because it is making me shoot more video. And for parenting nostalgia
⏹️ ▶️ Marco purposes, that is just awesome.
⏹️ ▶️ John Don’t forget to take videos of your kids screaming and crying because
⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco you have to take pictures
⏹️ ▶️ John of kids when they’re smiling or happy, take pictures of them when they’re crying and take videos so they can hear the
⏹️ ▶️ John noise that they made because they won’t believe you when you try to describe it. And sometimes it’s nice to look back when you’re far, far
⏹️ ▶️ John distant from it and say, I remember that terrible screeching that didn’t leave our house for X number of
⏹️ ▶️ John declines always look like he’s smiling. But anyway, at some point, he has to be screaming and crying. Capture that.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Yeah, yeah, we try to occasionally. It’s funny to bring that up. Because just before the show we were talking,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey we when we were at my parents this past weekend, we did like a
⏹️ ▶️ Casey literally five or 10 minute photo shoot with them, where they took a bunch of pictures of the three of us that would maybe be that will
⏹️ ▶️ Casey maybe use in our Christmas card this year. And I I think the pictures look good, but Declan’s
⏹️ ▶️ Casey kind of nonplussed about the whole thing. And oftentimes, it’s
⏹️ ▶️ Casey pretty easy to make him pretty happy, and in these, he’s kind of like, whatever. And Aaron and I were discussing,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey well, that is a better representation of real life, because he’s usually a fairly chipper kid, but
⏹️ ▶️ Casey he’s not always super excited about everything. And so we were debating and didn’t really reach a conclusion
⏹️ ▶️ Casey before I came in to record, maybe we should just use one of those, and that’s okay.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey And so, well, I’m trying to do better about capturing the annoyed Declan and
⏹️ ▶️ Casey the upset at Declan as time goes on.
Photos & iCloud Photo Library
⏹️ ▶️ Casey All right, John, I think it’s your turn.
⏹️ ▶️ John All right, well, you might think, since I suggested this exercise, that I have some
⏹️ ▶️ John really clever, interesting things on this, but I don’t. That was your guy’s job. I’m just the idea man.
⏹️ ▶️ John As they say. So my first one might be a surprise, but I don’t think so,
⏹️ ▶️ John based on what I’ve talked about. It’s kind of like Marcos, it’s like a qualified recommendation, but it is the first
⏹️ ▶️ John thing I thought of. The first tech thing I’m thankful for this year is photos. Apple’s photo
⏹️ ▶️ John thing, where they finally gave you a way to have access to all your photos everywhere and to put all your photos
⏹️ ▶️ John up in the cloud and charge you money for the storage, but the prices are not so bad. I’ve
⏹️ ▶️ John had a lot of weird issues with it, but I have to say all of the bugs and stuff that I’ve
⏹️ ▶️ John encountered so far have been delays, not roadblocks. Like it’s done weird things and it’s been spooky
⏹️ ▶️ John and it’s been weird, but always eventually at the end of it, I come out the other side with a, as far as I’m aware,
⏹️ ▶️ John completely functioning and working library that is all synced up and is in the cloud everywhere
⏹️ ▶️ John is available on phones and now on my Mac, photos actually performs in an acceptable manner.
⏹️ ▶️ John Most of the time still ignores my spacebar about 50% of the time when I hit it. But anyway, it’s got a
⏹️ ▶️ John long way to go, but I like the fact that this is a fairly new program that’s already been updated and the update has
⏹️ ▶️ John added minor features and improved performance and I’m just so glad that Apple finally has gotten
⏹️ ▶️ John their photo library up online and onto their servers and you know,
⏹️ ▶️ John not stranded on one machine. They still have a long way to go when it comes to dealing with families
⏹️ ▶️ John and multiple photo libraries, but this is supposed to be a list of things I’m thankful for, not complaints. So photos
⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey is my number one.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey So this really does get the John Siracusa seal of approval?
⏹️ ▶️ John Wow. Well, it’s just because it’s so much better than iPhoto. Like, and you know, people
⏹️ ▶️ John who use other services, like they use Google or, you know, Amazon’s cloud storage or whatever. I’m not saying this is the
⏹️ ▶️ John only solution for you. In fact, it’s probably not even the best solution for the Mac. From everything that I’ve heard, solution seems
⏹️ ▶️ John to be much more reliable and have more features and be really cool I just we’ve always had our photos
⏹️ ▶️ John and iPhoto and so photos is the obvious and only you know transition
⏹️ ▶️ John to stay in the Apple you know completely the Apple ecosystem and iPhoto like towards the end
⏹️ ▶️ John of his life was really terrible but in the beginning and middle it was pretty good especially when our library
⏹️ ▶️ John was smaller so I’m glad that Apple’s continued to develop a program that essentially did import my
⏹️ ▶️ John iPhoto library in a sane way. I had to coalesce my ratings down into favorites, but I’m okay with
⏹️ ▶️ John that. Yeah, so I still have plenty of complaints about it, but
⏹️ ▶️ John it was just so long for them to do the obvious thing. We all talked about EverPix
⏹️ ▶️ John and Merced when it went out of business, and now Apple’s finally getting included. So
⏹️ ▶️ John maybe we could upload all their pictures and make it so that they don’t have to all be on the device, but you have access to
⏹️ ▶️ John them everywhere. Good idea, Apple.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Now I’ve been very trigger shy on photos. I am a pretty devout user
⏹️ ▶️ Casey of PictureLife, which I really, really like. And I’ve been afraid to really
⏹️ ▶️ Casey get into photos just because, I don’t know, it always felt like I
⏹️ ▶️ Casey didn’t want to trust Apple with this because I don’t want it to go bad, even though I have backups, like I have PictureLife, and I have
⏹️ ▶️ Casey two or three copies locally. But it just scared me. But to hear that it pretty much has a John Syracuse seal of approval,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey that might change my tune.
⏹️ ▶️ John Well, but you shouldn’t though. All I would say is it’s like online backup. You just have to have, you should,
⏹️ ▶️ John everyone should be doing this. If you have your photo library, there should be some place that you upload it to. If it’s picture
⏹️ ▶️ John life, if it’s Google photos, if it’s Apple’s photos thing, wherever it is, the whole point should be that
⏹️ ▶️ John worst case scenario, like you should still have online backup and you should still have local backup and you should still have
⏹️ ▶️ John local clones. But I like having like yet another thing that is actually dedicated to photos
⏹️ ▶️ John that despite all those things I just described, like using backblazer or, you know, time machine
⏹️ ▶️ John or super duper clones, you know, you’re backing up over your network to whatever you write.
⏹️ ▶️ John On top of that, to have another thing that says, Oh, and by the way, every time you take a picture with your phone, it gets
⏹️ ▶️ John uploaded to this cloud thing, and then it gets downloaded onto your Mac. And every time you import photos from an SD card onto your
⏹️ ▶️ John Mac, it gets uploaded into the cloud and downloaded onto your onto your phone. And you don’t have to have all your photos everywhere.
⏹️ ▶️ John But on a particular Mac, you can say please download your photos everywhere, the one with the big hard drive. Having that
⏹️ ▶️ John extra system on top of all your backups just makes me feel better about pictures. So it doesn’t really matter if it’s
⏹️ ▶️ John photos or picture life, or you go back in time and use ever picks or another product
⏹️ ▶️ John that we might discuss in the later part of the show if we don’t go long on this Thanksgiving stuff.
⏹️ ▶️ John Yeah, I’m not specifically endorsing photos. I’m endorsing the idea of Apple doing the obvious
⏹️ ▶️ John thing for photo services and it not being terrible.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah, and you know, and we we’ve been talking and many people have been talking before they announced this of like
⏹️ ▶️ Marco their other various photo solutions, things like PhotoStream before this, which is kind of like a half solution.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco And we’ve been calling for them to do something like this forever, but no one thought they actually would.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco And then not only did they do it, but it was good. Even from version
⏹️ ▶️ Marco 1.0, it wasn’t perfect in 1.0, but it was pretty good. And the imperfections were only
⏹️ ▶️ Marco limited really to the front end app, the actual back end, the storage and the syncing engine,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco in my experience, and from I think, from what I gather, I think most people’s experience worked solidly
⏹️ ▶️ John Well, there was always like I said, there was there was bugs, but like, as long as they’re not intractable, like a lot
⏹️ ▶️ John of times early on people like I just have a bunch of black squares or in my thing, it would be like it thinks it has to
⏹️ ▶️ John re upload everything like and it’s mistaken about that or, or sorts of problems where
⏹️ ▶️ John either operations are taking a long time or a couple over like crashing in the middle of the import
⏹️ ▶️ John or whatever. But the bottom line is, is if you just kept trying, eventually it reached a point where it settled
⏹️ ▶️ John down, which is not true of, for example, the time machine and spotlight thing that I described fighting with last time that never
⏹️ ▶️ John settled down. The best you can say about photos is sometimes it screwed up. One point I had weird bugs,
⏹️ ▶️ John but in my personal experience is I never had to nuke and pave, right? Some people did.
⏹️ ▶️ John So, you know, obviously it’s not without its, uh, its bugs. But from my personal experiences,
⏹️ ▶️ John even when it was weird, it just eventually powered through with me not doing anything other than maybe
⏹️ ▶️ John repeatedly trying and settles into a state now where when I take a photo or
⏹️ ▶️ John when my wife takes a photo, because the library is hers, I don’t want to get into this anyway on the phone and
⏹️ ▶️ John then I go to the Mac. Eventually the picture shows up and that’s all I ask for.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Again you guys keep naming stuff I like to that that really the photos app is
⏹️ ▶️ Marco very, very good and it was very good since 1.0 and it’s only gotten better with 1.1 and I still do
⏹️ ▶️ Marco all of my editing first for photos that I shoot with
⏹️ ▶️ Marco the big camera I still do editing first in Lightroom and then I kind of like pick and edit in
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Lightroom and then export as full quality JPEG into photos because
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I don’t care for photos editing tools too much but for iPhone shot pictures they’re fine
⏹️ ▶️ Marco and on the iPhone I like having that ability and you know my fancy pictures
⏹️ ▶️ Marco once I do like a first pass edit with Lightroom I’m probably never gonna touch them after that so like you
⏹️ ▶️ Marco know it’s just do it there export into photo library then it’s faster because it doesn’t have this giant raw file to deal
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⏹️ ▶️ Casey All right. Marco, do you want to go again, or do we want to try to reverse the order here?
⏹️ ▶️ John That’s a snake draft. No, Marco goes next.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Okay. My number two, after my all your other… I gotta have like 10
⏹️ ▶️ Marco my next one on the list, John, is the continued growth
⏹️ ▶️ Marco of podcasting. I have really focused my career
⏹️ ▶️ Marco recently on podcasting on a number of fronts. You know, we do this podcast. I have the podcast
⏹️ ▶️ Marco with my wife, Top Four. I have the podcast with underscore David Smith called Under the Radar. And of course, I make
⏹️ ▶️ Marco a podcast app called Overcast. See, Casey, this is how you plug things.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I’m just very thankful that this industry continues to not only exist and be healthy, but to thrive
⏹️ ▶️ Marco and to grow. I love podcasting. I love it as a listener.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I love it as a producer. I love it as a programmer. It is great. There is tons of opportunity as a programmer,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco as a listener, podcaster in my life. I’ve been a podcast listener for long before
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I was really involved in them. And I just love listening to podcasts. I don’t have to explain that to
⏹️ ▶️ Marco most people listening to this probably. And also as a podcaster, I love the act of podcasting.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco And I kind of this tweet vomiting. Was it tweet storm? What do they call it when you
⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John just tweet too much?
⏹️ ▶️ John Tweet vomiting. I think that’s it. You got it.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco So I tweeted all over the place earlier today about… I’ve been pulling
⏹️ ▶️ Marco back a lot from blogging recently because the expectations and the reactions
⏹️ ▶️ Marco that you get out of blogging, for me, have become just really negative. Whenever
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I’ve blogged about anything substantial recently, I have often regretted it afterwards
⏹️ ▶️ Marco because the amount and the type of attention that results from it is
⏹️ ▶️ Marco not good for me. It’s not pleasant, it’s not satisfying, it
⏹️ ▶️ Marco actually just feels like a burden and it has resulted in a lot of misunderstanding, a lot
⏹️ ▶️ Marco of tension, a lot of flames, and a lot of sensationalism that I
⏹️ ▶️ Marco just do not want. Blogging also takes a long time. Writing is difficult.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco If you don’t write, you might not realize, but writing is really quite difficult and time consuming,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco especially if you’re trying to do it well. It’s very, very hard to really do well.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco If I wanted to do things, like if I wanted to write this as a blog post of just like, here I am talking about how
⏹️ ▶️ Marco great podcasting is compared to blogging, this would take me probably four hours
⏹️ ▶️ Marco to write as a blog post, and it wouldn’t say it as well. Meanwhile, I can,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco in a podcast, can basically, with no preparation, spew out random thoughts like this
⏹️ ▶️ Marco for about four minutes and have it all covered and have expressed
⏹️ ▶️ Marco pretty much all the same ideas, possibly even better, in a more informal way that
⏹️ ▶️ Marco you people listening to this can hear me as a human being. You know me from the context of the rest
⏹️ ▶️ Marco of the show and for any other shows you’ve listened to that I’ve been on. You kind of give me the benefit of the doubt because you
⏹️ ▶️ Marco have some sense of my personality from this and it’s just a much more humane medium.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco So with podcasting I don’t get many flames. I hardly ever get any kind of negativity
⏹️ ▶️ Marco about things I say on a podcast. I’m able to get out way more ideas per
⏹️ ▶️ Marco unit of time, effort put into it and it just feels
⏹️ ▶️ Marco better. It’s hard to explain in full how it feels but I just think
⏹️ ▶️ Marco for me it is right now a more natural communication form and a safer one,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco because I’m kind of burnt out on the negativity that I get whenever I write anything. You know, this isn’t to say that I’m going
⏹️ ▶️ Marco to stop writing, but I’ve certainly dramatically slowed down, and that’s no coincidence. As I do more
⏹️ ▶️ Marco podcasts, I write less because I just find podcasting works better for
⏹️ ▶️ Marco me right now and at this point in my life.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey JS Yeah, I agree. I’ve really been phenomenally lucky to have been a part
⏹️ ▶️ Casey of Neutral, of this show, of Analog. other show on Relay FM with Mike Hurley.
⏹️ ▶️ John Good job, Casey. Way to plug. Finally.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco All right. We keep setting you up for the shot. You just keep walking away.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Wow, that’s both of you with a sports metaphor. I’m very proud of you both. Anyway, so I’ve been very thankful
⏹️ ▶️ Casey to be a part of this and to be able to participate. And, you know, as we’ve discussed, some on the show
⏹️ ▶️ Casey and I’ve discussed quite a bit on Analog, I have always felt
⏹️ ▶️ Casey some modicum of guilt for kind of having just found my way on here by
⏹️ ▶️ Casey accident. But no, the community’s been
⏹️ ▶️ Casey really good to me, and it’s been a really phenomenal—I’ve been phenomenally lucky to be a part of this,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey and a part of the community that we’re in.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Maybe next year we can finally convince you that, like, you didn’t—you weren’t just, like, here accidentally. Like,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco you are a host of this show. You are one of three hosts of this show. You are not just some guy who we
⏹️ ▶️ Marco stuck in a chair and said, all right, just sit there while we talk. Yeah,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey on an infinite time scale, perhaps I’ll believe that. But anyway, I can hear John rolling
⏹️ ▶️ Casey his eyes right now.
⏹️ ▶️ John We’re all here accidentally is what I was thinking.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey That’s true, actually. But no, but it’s been a really phenomenal and
⏹️ ▶️ Casey I couldn’t be more thankful. I was going to make this joke in a really cheesy way, but I’m going to say it genuinely.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey I couldn’t be more thankful to be doing it with you two fine gentlemen. And I’m so
⏹️ ▶️ Casey unbelievably proud of the work that we’ve done here and unbelievably thankful that
⏹️ ▶️ Casey it’s gone on as long as it have and in that that any of you listening to this right now have have been
⏹️ ▶️ Casey stuck around and have have listened to the show as long as you have. So thank you to
⏹️ ▶️ Casey you guys and to everyone listening because this has been really phenomenal.
⏹️ ▶️ John I think I would write more if I didn’t have a job. Amen,
⏹️ ▶️ John brother, because it Marco’s right that like, you know, if you podcast more like you you can get a lot of ideas out
⏹️ ▶️ John that you would otherwise have to write up and you feel like, well, I already said it on the podcast. It’s like out of my system. You feel like if you
⏹️ ▶️ John have something you just need to express, right? But mainly for me, I feel like it’s
⏹️ ▶️ John just, it’s not enough hours in the day and it’s like Marco said, it’s just so much more efficient to just
⏹️ ▶️ John ramble for a couple of minutes on a podcast and you feel like, well, that got that out of my system when
⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco it would take way
⏹️ ▶️ John longer to write it in a nice form. But I feel like if I had, if I didn’t have to go to work every
⏹️ ▶️ John day, I would have all those extra hours and I probably would do the thing that Marco’s done occasionally in So Have
⏹️ ▶️ John I, although less so now that I don’t write anything in anymore practically, but where you either talk
⏹️ ▶️ John about something on a podcast and that inspires you to write it up, or you write something on your blog
⏹️ ▶️ John and that inspires you to talk about it on the podcast. That synergy I still enjoy, I just
⏹️ ▶️ John never have time for the part where you write anything.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Ah, fair enough. All right, so does that make it my turn I take it?
⏹️ ▶️ Casey All right, so I think
Big cameras
⏹️ ▶️ Casey It actually, this is a little bit of a cop-out, but I have other options as well. I actually am super thankful
⏹️ ▶️ Casey for my big, semi-fancy camera. I have an Olympus OM-D
⏹️ ▶️ Casey EM10, which is a terrible name. It is a micro four-thirds camera. And for a long time,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey especially after Marco and Tiff and Aaron and I got reacquainted
⏹️ ▶️ Casey after Marco and I lost touch for a long time, I’ve always been,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey I don’t know if jealous is the word I’m looking for, but I’ve always been intrigued by really nice camera
⏹️ ▶️ Casey equipment. And I’ve always fancied myself, like interested in photography, but
⏹️ ▶️ Casey I wouldn’t say I’ve ever been particularly great at it. But right before Declan was born, we
⏹️ ▶️ Casey finally bought this Micro Four Thirds camera, which was a fair bit of money. I mean,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey it was something like $1,500 for the camera and a couple of lenses, or the body and a couple of lenses.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey And I wasn’t sure if it was really worth it. And Aaron wasn’t sure if it was really worth it because we had, I think,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey an iPhone 6 at the time, which takes and took really great pictures.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey But I am so thankful for big digital cameras still being
⏹️ ▶️ Casey a thing because having a camera with glass that’s
⏹️ ▶️ Casey bigger than a fingertip just makes for some incredible
⏹️ ▶️ Casey pictures. And it’s been really awesome to see some of the pictures
⏹️ ▶️ Casey I’ve been able to capture of not only Declan, but my whole family and extended family
⏹️ ▶️ Casey through this camera that really in the grand scheme of things is not that terribly much money. And so I’m extraordinarily
⏹️ ▶️ Casey thankful that it exists. And I’m extraordinarily thankful that
⏹️ ▶️ Casey I bought one and that I’ve been able to make some decent pictures come out of this camera. And so
⏹️ ▶️ Casey digital photography in general, not just live photos, that’s what I’m thankful for.
⏹️ ▶️ John Yeah, I’m still jealous of all your nice cameras, but I felt like going through my
⏹️ ▶️ John old photo library as I was gathering photos for holiday things as you
⏹️ ▶️ John do, and also playing with the performance of photos and the new iMac and enjoying the fact that I can scroll
⏹️ ▶️ John and do stuff. Although, I gotta let me put an item in the notes about my latest photo complaints.
⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco to do it now, but I have more. We’ll
⏹️ ▶️ Marco save that for the less thankful episode next week.
⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco back to our normally
⏹️ ▶️ John scheduled complaining. But as I scroll backwards in time
⏹️ ▶️ John towards when my oldest child was a baby, you do see the quality of
⏹️ ▶️ John the pictures go down. I think it’s going to be less pronounced for Declan because
⏹️ ▶️ John I think the curve is starting to level off a little bit because there’s sort of
⏹️ ▶️ John the limit of the human visual system and what feature sizes you can resolve
⏹️ ▶️ John at typical distances and blah blah blah. But we got our very first
⏹️ ▶️ John digital camera ever before my son was born, my first child.
⏹️ ▶️ John And it was not very good quality because those were early days and you can really see it.
⏹️ ▶️ John So it’s kind of a shame I can’t go back in time with a fancier camera. And I think, well, maybe I’m thinking the same thing now with the current pictures
⏹️ ▶️ John I’m taking my kid with with my camera that does not cost as much as a good used car.
⏹️ ▶️ John And they’re fine, they’re good, but I can tell the difference between
⏹️ ▶️ John my camera and a fancy camera. Like it’s impossible not to be able to tell the difference, especially if there
⏹️ ▶️ John is not 100% blazing sunlight on a clear day, then all of a sudden, I can tell the difference.
⏹️ ▶️ John So I very often do consider buying a fancy camera and maybe someday I will, but for now, I’m
⏹️ ▶️ John limping along with my silly super zoom cameras my iPhone. So
⏹️ ▶️ John that’s not that bad.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I’m trying to figure out what used car that’s pretty good you could get for $1,500. Honda
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Of course. Of course. All right. So, John, else are you thankful for?
Big SSDs
⏹️ ▶️ John Alright, my next item on the list is probably not surprising and boring to everybody
⏹️ ▶️ John who is a tech nerd, including both of you, but I put it on my list anyway because I feel like
⏹️ ▶️ John this was not the summer of George, this was the year of big SSDs in my house.
⏹️ ▶️ John SSDs have been around forever, everyone’s been
⏹️ ▶️ John you gotta get an SSD, it’ll change your life, blah blah blah, but I’m like, I’m not interested until I can put all my stuff on it.
⏹️ ▶️ John Even when Fusion Drive came out, which I think was a really great idea and from all accounts this has worked really well. I’m like,
⏹️ ▶️ John but for me, I just want to hold out talking for all my crap on one SSD. I remember on podcast
⏹️ ▶️ John many years ago, I don’t know. Was it this podcast? Was it some other one? I was like, I just want to hold out for a one terabyte
⏹️ ▶️ John SSD. Like, Oh, good luck. There’s going to be so expensive. You can get one today, but it’s like thousands of dollars. Like, yeah, I just
⏹️ ▶️ John want to wait for them to be cheap. Oh, well, you’re going to be waiting a while. Well, I did. I waited a really long time and eventually
⏹️ ▶️ John one terabyte SSDs became less than ridiculously expensive, still very expensive.
⏹️ ▶️ John But as soon as they came down in price to like three digit prices, you know, $500, $600, I got one for my Mac.
⏹️ ▶️ John And it made a big difference, as you would imagine, from spinning disk to an SSD. But
⏹️ ▶️ John the big thing for me is that they are big SSDs that I can fit all of my stuff in. The
⏹️ ▶️ John size of all of my stuff has changed a lot over the years.
⏹️ ▶️ John And you’re always trying to keep the all of my stuff size somewhere within the bounds of economical
⏹️ ▶️ John hard drive size. But hard drives started getting so big, like one terabyte, two terabyte, three terabyte, four terabyte
⏹️ ▶️ John spinning disks. It was like, oh no, I got to make sure my stuff doesn’t fill up. Well, it turns out my stuff has been growing
⏹️ ▶️ John more slowly and my stuff comfortably fits in one terabyte. So now I have a terabyte SSD.
⏹️ ▶️ John When I bought the iMac, it has a terabyte SSD. And now, finally, the two main computers
⏹️ ▶️ John in the house are all SSD and have all of our stuff on them. And I’m very happy about it.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Yeah, I held out a really long time before getting an SSD because
⏹️ ▶️ Casey the first computer I had with an SSD was my old work computer, which
⏹️ ▶️ Casey I got in the middle of 2012, but was a late 2011 high-resolution anti-glare 15-inch MacBook Pro.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey And I had always thought, as I often do with these things,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey oh, I’m sure it’s faster, I’m sure it’s great, but it can’t possibly make that much—oh my God,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey it makes that much of a difference. It’s just night and day. And because of
⏹️ ▶️ Casey that, I’m still rocking one of those, an identical computer to that work one, except with a platter of hard
⏹️ ▶️ Casey drive as my personal computer. And I never touch the thing because it’s just
⏹️ ▶️ Casey unusable because it has a platter of hard drive. Get yourself an SSD, even if you get a little tiny one and
⏹️ ▶️ Casey you have to put all your other data elsewhere. It makes a world of difference. Definitely
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⏹️ ▶️ Marco what’s next for you? So next for me is Slack.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Interesting, okay.
⏹️ ▶️ John That’s a good one. I would’ve put that on there if I had thought of it.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah, I agree with that. So first of all, Slack is really just good. Like, you know, as a product,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Slack is good. It is like, you know, when I first saw it, I thought, well, that’s just IRC.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco You know, like just fancied up IRC. And that’s true. It is just fancied up IRC. but it’s
⏹️ ▶️ Marco really good. Turns out, fancied up IRC is really nice.
⏹️ ▶️ John I think the key feature is not that it’s, like fancied up IRC, the key feature is that it is a
⏹️ ▶️ John name brand company thing. You can get the Slack app for the platform of your choice
⏹️ ▶️ John and it is Slack. IRC has always been like, I guess you get an IRC client or something, I don’t really
⏹️ ▶️ John know how your client works, just type slash something. Like, it was like a client, just
⏹️ ▶️ John get Slack and then you’ve got it. And you don’t have to worry about people figuring out It’s all point and click and limited
⏹️ ▶️ John amount of command line silliness.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah, and and IRC, you know, really it has a lot of shortcomings Compared to slack, you know, not just the client thing
⏹️ ▶️ Marco But just like the complexity that the geeky roots of it It’s and the limitations of
⏹️ ▶️ Marco it not being persistent on the client like, you know, it’s just it’s not yeah IRC has its place for sure
⏹️ ▶️ Marco but slack does too and and I think slack is by far the more friendly option of the two
⏹️ ▶️ Marco and it also just has way more features and it’s pretty nice Anyways, so I like Slack a lot and
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I like that, kind of related to earlier how I mentioned I was kind of worn
⏹️ ▶️ Marco out from negativity that I’ve gotten from being so public online. Slack allows
⏹️ ▶️ Marco me to have these small private groups of friends that things that I would have
⏹️ ▶️ Marco previously posted to Twitter, now a lot of those things are going to Slack. And a lot
⏹️ ▶️ Marco of the conversations that I’m having, a lot of the keeping up with friends and what they’re doing,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco A lot more of that is happening in Slack now than on Twitter for me. And I think that’s
⏹️ ▶️ Marco good because for so long we’ve had things on the web where the best
⏹️ ▶️ Marco communication methods on the web were so often public or at least semi-public like Facebook
⏹️ ▶️ Marco where it’s supposed to be private most of the time but sometimes you mess up a setting and everything gets public or it’s
⏹️ ▶️ Marco public by default or whatever. It’s nice to have something that is private. I do think there’s
⏹️ ▶️ Marco a place for those things and there’s a balance to be struck. It’s nice that
⏹️ ▶️ Marco we are willing to explore that balance rather than just make everything public and
⏹️ ▶️ Marco ad-driven on the entire internet and every way we communicate.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Having Slack for me has been a nice kind of mental
⏹️ ▶️ Marco reprieve from everything being in public. The fact is, so many of my
⏹️ ▶️ Marco friends are people who I’ve met in this business, people like you guys, who I work
⏹️ ▶️ Marco with, who I don’t live near. It’s not like I can sit down and have lunch with you guys every day.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I work at home for myself. I have lunch with my wife, my kid, and my dog, but my
⏹️ ▶️ Marco friend interactions are limited mostly to online stuff. So it’s nice to have a private, safe
⏹️ ▶️ Marco place for that to happen. only does Slack provide that for me, but from what I
⏹️ ▶️ Marco hear from a lot of other people, it provides that to lots of people. It isn’t just a, that’s fine for Marco
⏹️ ▶️ Marco thing. A lot of people use Slack this way in small groups with their friends, and it’s really great
⏹️ ▶️ Marco for that. I’m very thankful that such a thing not only exists, but is getting enough traction
⏹️ ▶️ Casey The comedy of this is that as we record, today Slack was down for many people for like half
⏹️ ▶️ John I wasn’t going to mention that, but yeah.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco matter. This is the first time I’ve ever seen downtime.
⏹️ ▶️ John This is the honeymoon period before Marco goes on a big rant about Slack being a centralized thing owned and controlled by a
⏹️ ▶️ John single company and how they’re screwing all the clients and messing up their API and are foisting
⏹️ ▶️ John ads on people who stack. So enjoy it while it lasts. No, I’m being negative here. Anyway, I echo everything
⏹️ ▶️ John that Marco said basically like in the big continuum of between public and like IM is
⏹️ ▶️ John the private thing. It’s like a small group, one-on-one, completely private. You have instant message and then out in
⏹️ ▶️ John public you have web forums or comments or bulletin boards and then later things like Twitter
⏹️ ▶️ John and stuff like that. And then slack is a nice middle ground, kind of the same middle ground that Google plus was going for but missed
⏹️ ▶️ John where it’s not one to one like I am and it’s not in public or email for that matter. And it’s
⏹️ ▶️ John not in public like message boards or Twitter. It’s in between and it’s nice. The only downside
⏹️ ▶️ John of course is now that we’re all we’re all in a million different slacks because these in between things are sort of self
⏹️ ▶️ John organizing groups of people around particular interests or institutions or whatever.
⏹️ ▶️ John And those circles overlap a lot. But we have to be in all of them. If you want to keep up with this group of friends and that group of friends
⏹️ ▶️ John and that group of friends, then you’re in three slacks that are that form this weird Venn diagram. Sometimes I have trouble
⏹️ ▶️ John keeping track of what slack I said, which it was all in the same application.
⏹️ ▶️ John It’s one stupid single window work on that guys. You
⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco know, I like windows.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco need more windows,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John please. What a surprise.
⏹️ ▶️ John More than one. Call me crazy. Got a big screen here.
⏹️ ▶️ John I lose track of where I said things and which group of friends I said them to and who is on what
⏹️ ▶️ John page about what. But I think anyway, I think that’s a good problem to have. And I have liked having this middle ground, even though
⏹️ ▶️ John it has meant one more place for me to check for things that have gone on. I am not a
⏹️ ▶️ John slack completionist, So I don’t have that problem, but still I do have to.
⏹️ ▶️ John And Slack, to its credit, gives you lots of really cool options for how you want to be notified and about what.
⏹️ ▶️ John So I like it too. I’m sad that I didn’t put it on
⏹️ ▶️ John my list. Now I’m the Marco, stealing things from other people’s lists.
⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey I should have thought of that. Marco is the Tiff.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey I completely agree with Slack. And it doesn’t matter who your particular group of friends
⏹️ ▶️ Casey is or whatever the case may be. Just having a group of people, even be it friends or family,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey that you can communicate with often geographically all over the place is just
⏹️ ▶️ Casey really fantastic. And one of the things I love about Slack that has
⏹️ ▶️ Casey in some ways ruined me for like iMessage and other things is the rich text previews
⏹️ ▶️ Casey or whatever you call them. So if you put a link to a tweet into a Slack channel,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey it will do its best to expand that tweet and show you the contents of the tweet and maybe even a picture if there’s media attached.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey And oh my God, I wish I could have that for iMessage. That would be so, so useful.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey And I really love that feature. It’s such a silly thing, but it makes a world of difference.
Casey’s Lightning Digital AV Adapter
⏹️ ▶️ Casey So it’s my turn. This is a weird one. I am super thankful for my
⏹️ ▶️ Casey lightning to HDMI adapter which which is an odd
⏹️ ▶️ Casey thing to say but This past weekend as with many
⏹️ ▶️ Casey weekends in the fall Aaron and I went to To see the University of Virginia
⏹️ ▶️ Casey play football Aaron is a wahoo. I am actually a Hokie, which means I went to Virginia Tech We are
⏹️ ▶️ Casey big rivals. Just go with it
⏹️ ▶️ Marco This is like when John talks about destiny This is just another language.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Yep. We’re gonna cut this out just like the Cooley stuff, right? That cuts
⏹️ ▶️ Casey deep, John. So anyway, so basically we are big rival schools. So
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Marco, this is like TIF going to Michigan. Does that make more sense to you?
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yes. That is the one sports rivalry that I’m familiar with, simply because I grew up in Columbus, so
⏹️ ▶️ Marco you couldn’t not know about
⏹️ ▶️ Casey that one. Fun fact, the correct answer is actually Penn State. But anyway, the point is that
⏹️ ▶️ Casey, Marco we went to rival
⏹️ ▶️ Casey schools. let it go.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Wait, wait, like OSU and Penn State are rivals? Yeah. Not
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Michigan? And Michigan. Well, no, no, no. You are right to say Michigan and and Ohio State,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey but in the same conference as Penn State. Both my younger brothers went to Penn State, so that’s where my
⏹️ ▶️ Casey association is. But anyway, so the point, I bring all this up because we went tailgating and, yay, sports ball!
⏹️ ▶️ Casey So when we went tailgating, you know, we’ve, over the years, we’ve been doing this for a few years now,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey we’ve upgraded our tailgate set up from, you know, just a grill to
⏹️ ▶️ Casey a grill and a kind of okay generator to a grill and a kind of fancy
⏹️ ▶️ Casey generator. And so grill, fancy generator, and TV. And this
⏹️ ▶️ Casey year, this past weekend actually, it just so happened that my beloved Virginia
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Tech Hokies were playing a noon game that I really wanted to
⏹️ ▶️ Casey watch. And the UVA game was at 3.30. And so we were tailgating while the
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Hokies were playing, and it was on ESPN. The problem with that is we have an over-the-air
⏹️ ▶️ Casey antenna that we bring to the tailgate, and it’s full HD so we can watch all the local channels in Charlottesville
⏹️ ▶️ Casey on HD in the middle of a parking lot, basically, at the University of Virginia, which is really incredible.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey And I’m thankful for that too. But in this case, it was ESPN. And so what I
⏹️ ▶️ Casey did was I got on my phone, and I plugged my phone into the Lightning to HDMI
⏹️ ▶️ Casey plugged an HDMI cable from that into the TV, and we were able to watch my beloved Virginia
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Tech Hokies lose as we’re sitting in the middle of this parking lot
⏹️ ▶️ Casey at UVA, which is just, I mean, to think about it, like, I remember watching Nickelodeon as a kid
⏹️ ▶️ Casey and watching like Double Dare and some of those game shows, and you would see that like the grand
⏹️ ▶️ Casey prize was this god-awful terrible video phone. But this was like, you know,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey the early nineties. And so you could probably only video dial like two other people in the entire country, but
⏹️ ▶️ Casey you know, it was this little postage stamp size, like black and white video phone, and it was
⏹️ ▶️ Casey amazing. And I remember thinking to myself, how could that possibly be
⏹️ ▶️ Casey that you could see video, you know, on a telephone? And then fast forward, what is it, 15, 20 years, whatever the
⏹️ ▶️ Casey case may be, and I’m sitting in a parking lot with a full 32-inch TV
⏹️ ▶️ Casey showing a picture that’s coming off my cellular telephone. It’s just ridiculous that that’s
⏹️ ▶️ Casey a possibility. And so this little, obscenely expensive $50 lightning to HDMI
⏹️ ▶️ Casey adapter made all that possible. That and my data, which of course it was like
⏹️ ▶️ Casey two weeks ago that I finally ditched my unlimited data plan, which is perhaps not a good choice. So it only cost
⏹️ ▶️ Casey me like two or three gigs of data for the two or three hours that we were watching the football game. So
⏹️ ▶️ Casey I’m really thankful for that.
⏹️ ▶️ John You should take your old Apple TV once you get your new one, duct tape it to the back of your TV and you can just
⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco airplay to it. You can get a
⏹️ ▶️ John refund on the $50 cable that’ll cut into the price of the new Apple TV.
⏹️ ▶️ John and then you could also
⏹️ ▶️ Casey charge your phone. Yeah, that makes it so much better. Well, I was able to charge my phone because
⏹️ ▶️ Casey one of the ports on the Lightning to HDMI adapter is another Lightning port. Oh, I
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Yeah, so it passes through power, and since we had a generator right there, I passed through power to the phone,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey which worked out really well.
⏹️ ▶️ John I’m concerned about how much noxious fumes you’re inhaling with this generator that’s It’s
⏹️ ▶️ John like running next to your car in a parking lot with a bunch of other people. Or is this a Mr. Fusion where you just put banana peels into
⏹️ ▶️ Casey No, no, no. So it’s a, it’s actually a very, very fancy generator. It’s not ours. It’s one of the guys we tailgate with.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey But it’s an inverter generator. So it emits a perfect sine wave, which is pretty cool.
⏹️ ▶️ John No, no, no. I’m talking about the, the, the…
⏹️ ▶️ Casey no, no, no, no, no. I know. I know. I understand what you’re saying. It was just an aside. So, but we
⏹️ ▶️ Casey bring like these 50 foot extension cords. So the thing is like 50 feet away from us, probably near somebody
⏹️ ▶️ John it’s in the other air, right? Okay, I got
⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey it. Not our problem
⏹️ ▶️ Casey And it’s strictly speaking like where we tailgate is actually not it’s it’s not a parking
⏹️ ▶️ Casey lot We’re in a little field in front of the astronomy building EVA Don’t be creepy And so it’s
⏹️ ▶️ Casey it’s a small field and and we try to point the generator pretty much away from everyone else But it’s
⏹️ ▶️ John And yeah, and yet I remain concerned How about just like can’t you just have Marco come and just park his Tesla next
⏹️ ▶️ John year and use the big battery? If
⏹️ ▶️ Casey I would kill to have Marco come to a football game with me, that would be amazing.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey But but no, it’s not quite that simple.
⏹️ ▶️ John I think that would do it, though, like the generator, you just need electric power, right? So if you go there and in electric
⏹️ ▶️ John car with a huge battery fully charged, that’ll that’ll do you for tailgating, right? Probably.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Maybe I mean, the TV we use is old, so it’s probably not very efficient. But there are times when we’ll
⏹️ ▶️ Casey use like a griddle. So for example, this upcoming weekend, it’s our big game. It’s
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Aaron’s team and my team playing each other, and this year it’s in Charlottesville, so we’re going to go. And
⏹️ ▶️ Casey we are probably going to use a griddle, which is a heating element, which is a million watts. And
⏹️ ▶️ Casey so for that, you’d probably want a generator, because it would drain Marcos’ phantom Tesla in like
⏹️ ▶️ Casey three and a half seconds. Lyle Troxell I don’t think it would. Steven Horwitz I’m being a little facetious here, but—
⏹️ ▶️ John Lyle Troxell Let’s do the math. Someone in the chat room, get out of the slide rule.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Well, well, for one thing, I know that to charge a Tesla from like a 40
⏹️ ▶️ Marco amp outlet still takes like 10 hours. You don’t realize how much power they have. And granted,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco it’s not perfectly efficient while converting the power, but it takes a ridiculous amount of power to
⏹️ ▶️ John move a car like that. Yeah, you see, that’s not saying you should realize how much power it is just by not even doing the math
⏹️ ▶️ John by thinking about they’re taking this multi thousand dollar car and accelerating it and decelerating
⏹️ ▶️ John and pushing it through the wind for, you know, 300 miles. Anyway, this is the future of tailgating.
⏹️ ▶️ John Mark my words, electric powered pickup trucks or the entire bed is a bunch of lithium ion batteries.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey probably right. Quick real time follow up. Two quick things. First of all, it occurred to me that tailgating is probably
⏹️ ▶️ Casey a uniquely American thing. I sure hope so. Maybe the Australians get it because they’re America light.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Oh God, please email Casey.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Yeah, please email me. I didn’t mean that in an offensive way, but I’m screwed now. Anyway, so what that
⏹️ ▶️ Casey means is so before a football game or egg ball game, depending on how you look at it. A
⏹️ ▶️ Casey lot of times what people will do is they will go to the parking lot outside the stadium they’re going
⏹️ ▶️ Casey to and they will consume adult beverages and just kind of
⏹️ ▶️ Casey chat and hang out and grill food and eat food and do all the things you would expect a bunch
⏹️ ▶️ Casey of Americans to do, but do it outside. And so some people take it a little more seriously like we do and bring
⏹️ ▶️ Casey a generator so they can watch other football games while they’re waiting to watch the football game they want to see.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey So that’s what tailgating is. And the etymology there is because oftentimes you’ll hang
⏹️ ▶️ Casey out around the tailgate of a pickup truck, although neither of us have pickup trucks. And the other piece
⏹️ ▶️ Casey of real-time follow-up, it is not the Lightning to HDMI adapter. The official name is Lightning Digital AV Adapter,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey which I would have known had I done my homework. So John, your turn.
Destiny
⏹️ ▶️ John This is my last one on my lesson I second think of something else before we didn’t do the next round although we’re coming to the end of the
⏹️ ▶️ John show anyway So maybe this will
⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey be I’ve got at
⏹️ ▶️ Casey least one more. I want to talk about but
⏹️ ▶️ John I know so well you guys will have a lightning round after this
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Case you guys did is lightning and item.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey I was about to say I Was too early on
⏹️ ▶️ John that one this one should be easy to guess for anyone who’s been listening to me on this or any other Podcast the
⏹️ ▶️ John my third item is destiny Which can’t of
⏹️ ▶️ John like not since quick three arena and unreal tournament 2004 Have I spent this much time playing
⏹️ ▶️ John a single video game my PlayStation 4 is essentially a destiny machine Especially since I’ve removed it from the television
⏹️ ▶️ John for terrible burn-in reasons All I do on that thing is play
⏹️ ▶️ John destiny and I play it a lot and I’m afraid to look at the total number of hours recently, but
⏹️ ▶️ John You would think it would get boring, but you know, obviously it’s an MMO So you’re playing with other people and that extends life of the game It’s
⏹️ ▶️ John the same reason Quake 3 Arena and Unreal Tournament were for so long because you are playing with other people
⏹️ ▶️ John So the game is much less predictable than playing like a single-player game Or a game against computer-controlled
⏹️ ▶️ John opponents because people are inscrutable And kind of like Quake 3 Arena and Unreal Tournament,
⏹️ ▶️ John there is a steady flow of content Back in the old days it was maps that other people would
⏹️ ▶️ John make so you download new raps for Quake or new maps for Unreal and you try them out Sometimes
⏹️ ▶️ John the new maps would come from the people who made the games most of the times not not. And in the case of
⏹️ ▶️ John destiny, all the new content is coming from bungee, but they’ve had a steady stream of expansions that yes, you pay for. But like
⏹️ ▶️ John I was talking about this with someone recently, like the dollar per hour of enjoyment I’ve gotten a destiny
⏹️ ▶️ John there. Its ratio is phenomenal compared to pretty much anything else. Like because yeah, it
⏹️ ▶️ John is 60 bucks for the game, 30 bucks for an expansion, 40 bucks for another expansion. But do the division on the number of hours
⏹️ ▶️ John and you’re like, oh, this is like the cheapest entertainment dollars ever. So the
⏹️ ▶️ John expansions really have kept it fresh for me and, you know, the constant adjustments
⏹️ ▶️ John to the game and the systems in the game and the items and everything that Bungie is doing for just from week to week, not just for the expansions,
⏹️ ▶️ John but from week to week, they’re doing little tweaks here and there and explaining why they do them. That’s an interesting sort
⏹️ ▶️ John of surrounding context for the game where there’s the game and then there’s the talking about
⏹️ ▶️ John the game. Then there’s the reading about the future things that are gonna be done in the game. And I think for the most part,
⏹️ ▶️ John Bungie has been keeping things moving in the right direction. There’s a few questionable decisions that they’re going back
⏹️ ▶️ John and forth on, but 2.0, the big 2.0 change to the entire game engine really addressed a lot of
⏹️ ▶️ John the worst parts of the progression system in the early game. So
⏹️ ▶️ John Destiny is my first MMO because I generally hate MMOs, but I really like first person shooter games and
⏹️ ▶️ John Destiny is a really good first person shooter. And as far as I can tell, having never played any MMOs before, I think it’s a
⏹️ ▶️ John really fun So thumbs up on destiny.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Did you ever get into? Counter-strike out of curiosity. It’s not quite the same
⏹️ ▶️ John kind of game But it is though. It’s it’s you’re playing into the human beings. And so it’s much more interesting
⏹️ ▶️ John than playing by yourself I I tend to stay away from the more militaristic
⏹️ ▶️ John First-person shooters that just they’ve never really appealed to the closer they get to like real-life guns because I’m not a real-life
⏹️ ▶️ John You know gun aficionado. So the closer they get to real-life guns and real-life military I just find it
⏹️ ▶️ John off-putting even though counter-strike is still you know basically like you know like Like I say about quick theory
⏹️ ▶️ John and unreal tournament. It’s basically a game of tag has very little to do with actual Guns, but it’s close
⏹️ ▶️ John enough that it sort of repels me a little bit Which is why I prefer completely fantastical
⏹️ ▶️ John you know space Marines or shooting aliens or powered armor or whatever
⏹️ ▶️ John other weird stuff you’ve got and franchises like Halo or even even something like Gears of War kind
⏹️ ▶️ John of I guess but I I tend to stay away from the military things and destiny
⏹️ ▶️ John I guess technically they’re kind of the military but it’s really just like lasers and pew-pew and space aliens
⏹️ ▶️ Casey I only ask because I logged a lot of time playing Counter-Strike when I was at Virginia Tech and
⏹️ ▶️ Casey not doing the things I Should have been doing like studying but yeah, I loved Counter-Strike and I
⏹️ ▶️ Casey loved the quake as well. I think quick to It was so long ago. I think that was my jam,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey but gosh it was forever ago All right. Does that mean
⏹️ ▶️ Casey we’re out of sponsors? So I guess, Marco, we want to do your lightning round entry?
Apple Watch
⏹️ ▶️ Marco It’s a little bit… I barely made it on the list really, because I’m still
⏹️ ▶️ Marco a little bit 50-50 on how much I like it, but… So you’re saying it’s your number six?
⏹️ ▶️ Marco But I’m gonna go with the Apple Watch, because it really has driven
⏹️ ▶️ Marco a positive influence in my life. And the Apple Watch itself, I keep… This is
⏹️ ▶️ Marco another one of those blog posts I keep trying to write and starting to write and failing to write. I keep
⏹️ ▶️ Marco needing to write my Apple Watch six months in post, which of course now it’s like seven months in. But
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I started writing it when it was three months in. And the Apple
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Watch, it’s easy to just look at it now and assume it’s always been here, because I do wear mine every day.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I’ve tried going without it for a few days, and I don’t miss it as much as I
⏹️ ▶️ Marco think I would before I do it. And there are parts of it that haven’t been
⏹️ ▶️ Marco as sticky for me, just because they aren’t that reliable. And the things that
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I like about it, there’s an asterisk after each one. I do love it for notifications.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I do love it for very quick Siri things. I do love it for the activity tracking.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco And I do love having the weather thing on the face and the other complications. But all
⏹️ ▶️ Marco those things are kind of like 75% there. So
⏹️ ▶️ Marco this is kind of tentatively there. I’m very happy this product exists, but I
⏹️ ▶️ Marco think it still needs a lot more work on both the hardware and the software before it’s very good.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco But I do like where it is now, and it did something that I didn’t think was possible,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco which is it transformed me into being a watch person. As I mentioned, when it
⏹️ ▶️ Marco was new, I hadn’t worn a watch before this since high school. Now that we’re in the cell phone
⏹️ ▶️ Marco revolution, I really didn’t see the point of a watch. But now that I have one, I like it a lot. And so now I’m starting
⏹️ ▶️ Marco to look at other watches that don’t have screens and don’t have batteries.
⏹️ ▶️ John you need another expensive hobby.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Isn’t that great? Yeah, yeah. And I’m starting to take joy in
⏹️ ▶️ Marco the design of nice watches. And so it’s kind of nice, you know? So we’ll
⏹️ ▶️ Marco see what happens. But I like the Apple Watch in general. It’s a good product.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I wouldn’t say it’s necessarily a great one yet, but it is a good product now. And it has
⏹️ ▶️ Marco driven positive change in my life. So I appreciate that.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey You know, it’s funny you bring up the Apple Watch as your lightning round entry because my lightning round entry is the Apple Watch.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey I was going to say the exact same thing. And I think the piece that is
⏹️ ▶️ Casey most startling to me is the notifications, which you brought up
⏹️ ▶️ Casey a moment ago. I haven’t heard my phone, except when
⏹️ ▶️ Casey I’ve accidentally turned the ringer back on, since I received my Apple Watch, which was what,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey like May or something like that?
⏹️ ▶️ Casey So I haven’t heard my phone since then. And I think that’s a good thing. And
⏹️ ▶️ Casey I had, even before the Apple watch, I had called a lot of my notifications and brought that number way,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey way, way down. And I turned off a lot of Twitter notifications. I turned off Instagram notifications,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey a lot of those that I really didn’t need to be notified about I had turned off. And
⏹️ ▶️ Casey even with all of those notifications off, I haven’t turned those back on since I’ve gotten the watch.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Even what remains things like text messages or emails from VIPs or what-have-you
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Nobody else has to know when that stuff is happening. I get a nice little tap tap tap on my wrist
⏹️ ▶️ Casey and that’s that and I Really really really love that and I
⏹️ ▶️ Casey too have in my list of things to do my six months in now seven months in
⏹️ ▶️ Casey, Marco Apple watch posts
⏹️ ▶️ Casey I too have been procrastinating because I haven’t figured out what my angle is really but
⏹️ ▶️ Casey I I completely concur with you that, especially for a device that has
⏹️ ▶️ Casey most things I haven’t thought about, I’m really glad I got it. And I love it so
⏹️ ▶️ Casey much for just keeping that noise clutter out of my life.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey And yes, of course, I’m still getting notified about these things, but I don’t know, just having it be silent,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey I just like so much. And maybe it’s just because I feel like it’s kind of disrespectful to have your devices
⏹️ ▶️ Casey binging and bonging while other people are around. And I just love that
⏹️ ▶️ Casey my phone has been silent since May, and that’s really awesome. Bing bong. Oh, god.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Now I’m sad. Now I’m
⏹️ ▶️ John Yeah, you brought it up. Yeah, I was going to say, if you two had not mentioned the Apple Watch, it would have been weird to have
⏹️ ▶️ John us, none of us mention Apple’s new product line, like the
⏹️ ▶️ John big thing, the latest big thing. I guess we’re not counting Apple TV, which none of us also mentioned. But
⏹️ ▶️ John the latest big thing from Apple, the Apple Watch, kind of towards the end of our list. I
⏹️ ▶️ John probably wouldn’t put it on mine, mostly because the Apple Watch has not changed the fact that I am
⏹️ ▶️ John not a watch person. I do not like things attached to my wrist. My wife is currently real time heckling me about
⏹️ ▶️ John how often I forget to put my watch on. And my plan, what I’m doing is,
⏹️ ▶️ John I plan to always wear it to work, but I very often forget. When I do wear it to work, I find it convenient,
⏹️ ▶️ John just like you said, Casey, to have the little tap taps on the wrist, to be
⏹️ ▶️ John able to have it track, like even though I don’t do what Marco does with like actually trying to fill the circles and stuff, I
⏹️ ▶️ John do like to get the standup reminders and I do make a little bit of extra effort to be more
⏹️ ▶️ John mobile at work because it basically reminds you like, it’s like all those apps I have run various times for RSI
⏹️ ▶️ John and my Mac to remind you, hey, I know you’re kind of like in the zone on some issue, but
⏹️ ▶️ John remember to get up and just like, go refill your water cup or, you know, take a walk around or do something
⏹️ ▶️ John else. And I do find it especially convenient.
⏹️ ▶️ John So I don’t have to dig out my phone. Even if my phone is sitting on the desk, it just seems so much, and
⏹️ ▶️ John even with Touch ID, it seems like so much more of an effort to pick the thing up, put my thumb on the thing on my
⏹️ ▶️ John incredibly slow iPhone 6 without the S to wait those extra seven
⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey milliseconds for
⏹️ ▶️ John the thumbprint to go on. Whereas in the watch, none of that is involved and you can just look at it. And Apple Pay on
⏹️ ▶️ John the watch, I find it also much nicer than doing Apple Pay on the phone. I do like Apple pay. I use it whenever,
⏹️ ▶️ John whenever I possibly can. I use Apple pay and double tap on the watch is nicer than again, putting the phone
⏹️ ▶️ John into the thing and trying to do the thumb print. Oh, it’s not reading my touch ID and then it’s just, it’s automatically
⏹️ ▶️ John unlocked in your wrist. So I wouldn’t put it on my list because it is just reinforced that I’m not a watch person. And
⏹️ ▶️ John I can also say that I, the watch is like something that I’m not going
⏹️ ▶️ John to say I wouldn’t have bought it on my own cause I did buy it on my own, but it was kind of like, well I should probably buy
⏹️ ▶️ John it to see. But all the fuss is about like it’s kind of like I bought it for work work being this podcast
⏹️ ▶️ John whereas if I wasn’t on a podcast and wasn’t writing about tech stuff I probably wouldn’t have bought it
⏹️ ▶️ John in the end I’m still glad I bought it but I’m let’s put it this way I’m not gonna be rushing out to
⏹️ ▶️ John buy the next version of the Apple Watch probably wait a couple of revisions until it gets way thinner because I think a
⏹️ ▶️ John lot of my resistance of the watch is not the Apple Watch specifically but watches in general I just don’t like things on my wrist
⏹️ ▶️ John so this they can make this thing smaller and lighter and less like an Airstream trailer that will a little bit more attractive to me.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Oh, God, that’s fantastic. All right, and I know I said it earlier, but it would
⏹️ ▶️ Casey really be wrong of me not to say thanks to all our listeners one more time and our sponsors as well. So thank you to our listeners
⏹️ ▶️ Casey and to our three sponsors.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Squarespace, Automatic, and Bushel. All
⏹️ ▶️ John right. And we will see you next week. Are we doing a tag team? I got the eye. I’m with you. We will see you
⏹️ ▶️ John next week. But do you say we will see you? We don’t actually see them.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I do say that. Thank you for ruining it now.
⏹️ ▶️ John Alright, it’s fine. I just, I don’t want you to, don’t over, don’t overthink it.
Ending theme
⏹️ ▶️ John Now the show is over, they didn’t even mean to begin,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Cause it was accidental, oh it was accidental.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey John didn’t do any research,
⏹️ ▶️ John Marco and Casey wouldn’t let him, Cause it was accidental,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey it was accidental. And you can find
⏹️ ▶️ John the show notes at ATP.FM And if you’re
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⏹️ ▶️ Marco So that’s Casey Liss, M-A-R-C-O-A-R-M, and
⏹️ ▶️ John S-I-R-A-C-U-S-A-C-R-A-Q-U-S-A It’s
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Bonus: Apple Pencil
⏹️ ▶️ Marco That was a really good idea, John. I do want to add one more kind of bonus one. Of
⏹️ ▶️ Marco, Casey course you do. Oh, here we
⏹️ ▶️ Marco go. So one is the Apple Pencil, and this is a really short one because it’s easy when you say,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco like, you know, what’s the best of the year? The stuff that came most recently tends to be more weighted in your mind.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco So I don’t know what I’m going to think long term about it, but the Apple Pencil is really cool. And yes, the
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Apple TV is also new. The Apple TV, I think, is more of a mixed bag in terms of complexity
⏹️ ▶️ Marco and some of its remaining shortcomings and everything, but the Apple Pencil really only does one thing, and
⏹️ ▶️ Marco it does that one thing already today, from day one, and it does it shockingly well,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco once you can find one. But it does it shockingly well, and it is so good,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco and it’s so nice to use, that it is making me keep borrowing TIFF’s iPad Pro,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco and keep wishing I had more of a reason to use this pencil, because I am not
⏹️ ▶️ Marco a visual artist, I don’t illustrate things, I don’t make diagrams, I don’t take notes.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I don’t really have a good reason to use it, but I wish I did because it’s just so pleasant
⏹️ ▶️ Marco and delightful and just like technically satisfying like once I know how good it is. Like
⏹️ ▶️ Marco it’s just so nice to use. So what are you doing with it? Right now I’m just playing around.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Maybe I should start trying to take notes on things. I don’t know. I don’t know. around.
Bonus: Tesla
⏹️ ▶️ Marco And then the second thing is Tesla. I don’t own
⏹️ ▶️ Marco a Tesla yet. I’m planning on buying one soon, but I don’t own one yet. But one thing I like about Tesla,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco and I think in 2015 they really came into their own with this, that
⏹️ ▶️ Marco in the absence of Steve Jobs now, the world is kind of low on
⏹️ ▶️ Marco genius billionaires that are kind of near the tech industry that are making things really interesting for everybody.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco And it’s fun to be in one of those groups. Like it’s fun, it was fun to be a fan
⏹️ ▶️ Marco of Apple when Steve was really at his peak, which unfortunately before he died.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco But it’s fun to be a fan of a crazy billionaire company that’s
⏹️ ▶️ Marco doing crazy good things. Jeff Bezos has always almost been that kind
⏹️ ▶️ Marco of person but not that kind of person. Steve Jobs definitely was, and I think Elon Musk is
⏹️ ▶️ Marco that kind of person. where yeah, he’s out of his mind, but he’s also a genius.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco And he also is very driven to keep making really interesting products
⏹️ ▶️ Marco that are pushing things forward in this area that he’s working in. And so
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I think what Tesla’s doing is really cool, even if I don’t end up buying
⏹️ ▶️ Marco one, which honestly I probably will buy one, I’ve pretty much decided that now, but it’s just really cool
⏹️ ▶️ Marco to be in one of those fandoms of these kind of products by these
⏹️ ▶️ Marco crazy billionaires again because they do things that seem so audacious
⏹️ ▶️ Marco and when they do them well it’s really nice and and Apple did it
⏹️ ▶️ Marco well and now Tesla seems to be doing it well and so that’s pretty cool.
⏹️ ▶️ John Activision is kind of like a crazy billionaire maybe you should try destiny.
⏹️ ▶️ John You should do some googling for Activision, they are actually pretty crazy.